Bonus Episode: Scarlett Estevez Radio Tour Special

Thank you so much for listening to this audio drama. It's been wonderful seeing all your positive comments about the series, and we really appreciate every single one.

We actually hit number one in the fiction and drama podcast charts on Apple, which has been incredible to see.

“If you haven't already, I would really appreciate it if you give us a review on Apple or Spotify, and guess what?”

Now we're giving away three pairs of American Afterlife socks, designed by me and made by our partners, pair of thieves as a thank you. Check out the link in the description for more details on how to get your socks. Here are some clips from my recent media tour where I talked to all about the making of American Afterlife. So you can get a behind-the-scenes feel of how we built the world of our show. And Scarlet is on the phone with us. Scarlet, good morning. Welcome to Hey Morton, how are you?

Hello, great how are you? Really good, so the American Afterlife podcast is about a massive earthquake, and then the aftermath from a perspective of a woman trying to figure out what to do next. Did I get that part right? Yes, totally. That's definitely. And I'll tell you about 10 minutes in, there's a twist where you thought she was just narrating what's happening,

and then you realize there's another layer that may end up being rather sinister.

“And I don't want to give that a while, because I think everyone should absolutely, if you make it to 10 minutes in this podcast, you are absolutely hooked.”

So Scarlet, first of all, you've done, I mean, everything in acting, right? Have you done voiceover?

Yeah, I've done a lot of voiceover before too, but never like podcasting, so this was super cool and very different.

How is it different? Because that was my biggest thing in thinking, okay, it's different when you're in a front of a TV show or, you know, movie and you're like, okay, I know my lines. I know what I'm going to do physically, but in this in American afterlife, you don't have that visual, so how is it different? The podcast was really cool because it's kind of set up like an interrogation, so that was really different from anything that I've ever done, because I was like sitting in a room and like the stuff that I was saying was like, supposed to be on like a microphone and stuff like that.

So that was really cool and just like, yeah, I think it made it feel very different. The whole like tone of it is very different. I think it's interesting that a lot of people have probably imagined for a second, what would take place if a major seismic event happened and then I had to defend for myself. And I think you guys bring that to life pretty well because there are parts of it that you're not thinking about and if you are listening to this podcast right away, you start getting introduced as some of the events that would take place that you would not anticipate would be the immediate aftermath of a major event like that.

Yeah, for sure. It was like, I remember when I first read the script, I was like, oh my god,

it was so scary, I was like, I'm so stressed for her. You want to sit right out.

“Yeah, I think it's a good time for these kind of podcasts because here's what I think we're tired of.”

We're tired of podcasts or it starts at going, okay, we're here. We're on. Right. We're here. All right. John, you there. I'm here. All right. We're doing it. We're doing it. All right. Hello. You're like, okay. Right. Stop. Also, I think the people are looking for, you know, the art of storytelling to be back, you know, yeah. Yeah, for sure. I'm going to listen to podcasts too. Like in my car whenever, like, you know, I've longed rise and stuff, but yeah, sometimes I'm like,

I need something that I can listen to that's more than music, but the podcast I also am not that interested anymore. So I think that this is like a really fun thing because it's not an audio book, but it's like, yeah, it's storytelling and it's really painting a picture for you and I think that that's really cool and really special about we're going to do that. Yeah, the storytelling is so good in this. We're talking to Scarlett Estabes. She is the star of the American afterlife podcast. We are

recommending you listen to this, which is a lot for radio people to do because typically they don't say that. When the fact is we're all looking for good storytelling and I think you guys did a great job with this. I've only been able to listen to the special preview. So I got 20 minutes in. It was enough to hook me and I'm like, dang, I want more. What is something that you think will be surprising for people if they listen to the entire podcast that they didn't expect without giving any twists away?

I don't know, Cielo, she comes off very like braze and toss and so that's kind of like where she sits for a lot of the podcast. But then as she continues with her interviews and going through her story of all this crazy stuff that she went, went through and dealt with during the earthquake. We get to see her kind of break down and become more emotional and like soften up, which I think is really cool to see that journey. I know when we're calling it a podcast, but I call it pod theater

because the sound effects are there. The most of the characters in that. Yeah, immersive is the perfect word. Yeah. I was going to ask you Scarlett, you know, when you did the reading for it, were you able to hear some of those sound effects or was that done afterwards and have you listened back to get the full like scope of it? And what did you think? When we first recorded the first time,

kick-ups that had some of the sound design like integrated into it and that was just like so crazy to hear the strings from getting. When we first started, I was like, I don't know, actually, and it's crazy. Yeah. Did you think there might be a sound effects person there with like

their coconut shells? And you know, I was like, here's what I was going to get to the background

“time. I had it with a whole bunch of stuff. Like, I just walked into the grass. I think I was thinking”

my hand out was like, that must have been so much more difficult. There's so sound and you're like, I don't know how much emotion am I going to give in and where's the sound of a good and I'm like, come in, yeah. Now we go for a break for Pepsi Dance. Now we're going to pay. All right, let's take it. And now back to with Scarlett Estovist. No, so you did get to hear some of the though while you're doing pickups, which means you come back, you're like, all right, here we go.

This is you in whatever. Because I think the sound design in it does like there's parts of it where you realize something ominous is about to happen. I don't want to give this away, but you start hearing a like a drone sound coming to the background. You're like, oh, something bad's about to happen. And I'll just tell you, she grabs a large piece of metal to help move some furniture. It is graphic. And it is, it's really good. The story just, just I think the story

takes a huge step forward there. So listen to that. And it's in the first like 15 minutes. Yeah.

Now part like when I listen back, so I was like, oh, yeah, she's like, this boy is no sponsor. Yes. Yeah. And there was a guy there and he had like a bowl of gelo at Dean and he was grabbing the gelo. Wow. You worked with Mark Wahlberg. You worked with some very successful established people. What do you learn from someone like that when you're watching them that people wouldn't know? Like we see Mark Wahlberg and we see the guy that's all but we see the guy that's

“kind of on Taraji, but the fact is when he's obviously very, very professional.”

He was obviously a very professional everything like that. But he was also very kind and very sweet. And that just made such a big difference for me on the set. Because I mean, obviously my first big thanks. I was kind of nervous and it just showed me what big of a difference it makes to like be kind to people and how you can, you know, focus on your work, but also, yeah, just be nice. And that was a really, really great lesson to learn. That's great. And all your years I know

working on Lucifer, other shows Daddy's home, all that stuff, is there been a time? Has there been a time, especially because, you know, you work in children's television as well coming up without naming any names. Was there a time when you were like, wow, that is not the way to behave. Did you see outrageous behavior ever? Um, yeah, I think it's been, I think I'm experiencing some of it, right? Like, okay, that was the choice.

All right. All right. We'll leave it up there. Maybe one day we'll talk about that more in the meantime. We want everyone to listen to this. It's really, it's pod theater. It's not pod casting. It is really immersive. It's really great. And we want you to check it out American after life. You can find it on Spotify, Apple podcasts. And we're really lucky to have you join us for a few minutes today and great job. You did great work. Yeah. Thank you so much. You're at Scarlett

Estoviz. You have a great day. Thank you. You as well. Bye. I'm here with Scarlett Estoviz. This is the kick-cratic morning show. And there's this new podcast out called American After Life.

And the star of it is Scarlett Estoviz. And we have her this morning. And just first off,

welcome. How are you? Thank you so much. I'm doing well with myself. Very, very good. Is this your first like radio media tour? Um, yeah, this is my first like one. It's been really interesting, but I'm having a lot of fun. That's awesome. You get to meet everybody from across the country. And it does a lot quick. Well, it's fabulous to have you here. And first off,

“I just want to jump right into the podcast. So what is the story of American After Life?”

So I play CLO who's this young girl. The story is basically based on the big earthquake that everyone's been talking about that's supposed to destroy so much. And so it basically takes place at the earthquake finally happened. And my character is CLO. You know, when all the helicopter first come to come and try and rescue the people instead of leaving CLO stays. And she tries to find her mom. So it's all about her, you know, navigating the world on her own as a young girl.

And these ruins, it's really cool. So mentally, what was it like diving into that world? Because that's, I mean, that's a, that's a different world. Yeah, totally. It was really crazy. Because like obviously, you know, you see everyone talking about this earthquake and you're like, when's it going to happen? It's kind of like the whole thing of like the sun's going to explode. And you start like trying to prepare for it. But there's no way to really do it. So it was really cool

to like kind of jump into that and like see what it would be like and navigate that through CLO too.

So it's really cool to see like how she went through that. Well, I was going to ask like, was it, you know, given your age and the character,

“right close to this to the character, was it difficult to jump into that character to dive into it?”

Or was it pretty natural? Yeah, like CLO, she's definitely a lot more confrontational than me. And she's very like strong and, you know, very strong minded. And I'm kind of not that. I'm kind of more like people, please, or so. But there's so many similarities that we still have, regardless of all that. Because, you know, she's also a teen girl who has these insecurities and like this mask that she's trying to put on being like, I can't do this. I am enough.

So that was really cool. Yeah. Did you take anything away personally from that that you're going to carry on? Yeah, I think I definitely took a piece of her, I tried to keep a piece of her

with me to be like, it's okay, you know. That's fabulous. Now was this your first time ever participating

in a scripted podcast? Yeah, it was my first time. What's that experience like compared to some of the other experiences if you've had in your career? It's so interesting. I really felt like I was like filming a movie or something because it's just written so well and it's, you know, dramatic and intense and a lot of stuff. So it truly felt like I was filming something where then I knew the mic was there. It was really interesting. Having to do like action too because it's very like,

you know, she's walking and doing all these things. So that was like really interesting to like try and play off of, you know, just the imagination. Are you not genuine anybody to get this brought to video life? Oh, you know, I'm trying to like, I just really hope it reaches, you know,

“the right people. I think it's such an amazing story, but I've told like all my family and friends”

to listen to it because I just think it's so cool. One of the biggest differences because you've been on TV and film in other projects. What's the biggest difference from acting in, let's say, on TV or in a film compared to nobody's watching you know, you know, it's audio. Yeah, I don't know. I think the main thing that was really nice was I could come in in my pajamas. That was really fun because you know, you're not really using any of the video. It was definitely just like a lot more

mental because there's nothing to play off of like even sometimes the other main character. He wasn't really in there in person. So I was just having Bill the director like agreed with me and sometimes the other main guy he was in the room of this. So that was cool. But yeah, it's a lot more mental and like using my imagination, which was fun. So when you say mental, like less pressure, actually when everything's on or is it like kind of easier to do that part and then was it more difficult

to have your co-host in like from being kind of it's usually easier when there's like a whole set and you know, the characters with you as well because then you're just like truly you're like actually visually immersed in whatever scenario. So it's kind of crazy to like make that up in my head. It's just being like, all right. And now all this I'm not going to spoil anything. But like just so many crazy things are happening and yeah. Some of the other projects we've talked about

the budget will just say daddy's home. Daddy's home. So how how surreal was it working with like

“Will Feral and Mark Wahlberg? It was really crazy. I think I was like six years old when I did the”

first one. So I only really knew who Will Feral was at the time because I watched Elf

so I watched with like my parents and my siblings. So that was it crazy. I was like no way. I'm going to meet Elf. But yeah Mark Wahlberg was super nice. He was great to work with. But I didn't really watch any of the stuff that he was at the time. So I didn't really know who he was. Now just out of curiosity when you're six years old and you go on a project like that is kind of less fear inducing or is it more now that you're older and you get the levity of everything and all of that?

Yeah totally I think back then I was still like not fully conscious. So there's not really that much. Yeah fear a part of it attached to it and like not really realizing the intensity of what I was doing but I had so much fun. I just knew that I loved it and I was about it and then as I've

grown up and like okay this is my job but I also love it so. So when you got to the second one

was it easier to get into character around the same people instead of it being that you know little older and now you understand what's going on around you? Yeah totally I think yeah definitely you're in the second one I was like okay I figure out I know it's going on a little more. Yeah that's awesome and now just everybody's going to want to know after the second one who was definitely funnier to be around was it Mark. Oh gosh I don't know I remember I mean Mel Gibson was in the second one

as well and he was out about that he is 22 and yeah that was crazy. Yeah I remember he taught me because I had to be drunk in the second one and I was eight years old and I was like mine's supposed to know what that's like so yeah I remember like the first day I met him he was just like teaching me he's like you know when you're drunk everything's just really slow I was like okay but it helped so that was great. Very true. Now to get back into the podcast working with him like executive producers

make it easier to go into something like an audio only driven foot forward and to get immersed into

“that visual creativity. Yeah totally I think Bill was so great to work with he made it yeah very”

smooth because he had such a vision and he was definitely so I could tell he was very passionate about the project as well so that was great to work with him and you know really just be open and taking his direction because he has so many great instincts. Yeah he was really great to work with and made it super easy because he like yeah he had a vision so he knew how to direct me but he also was like just do your thing and I'll see how it goes. That's awesome and you said something there

that is really important. It's instincts. Yeah something that he really kind of gave you confidence

built you up to like hey when I'm not around you still got to trust your instincts when you're

out of the project because I would assume going from those big rooms to an audio only and you're literally by yourself or you're with one other person to tap into that creativity. He's got to be difficult at times. Yeah totally. In the future wise is there any more podcasting in your future or is there any other projects you're working on? I would love

“to continue podcasting I think it was so fun. I'd love to continue to do it. I worked on a”

movie this past summer so that comes out and I'll guess on Netflix so I don't know how much I can talk about it but I'm very excited. Yeah it's it's difficult when you're in promotion of what am I allowed to talk about one? Yeah so as you've done all these projects where would you rank podcasting? Where would you rank doing that? Is it up there or is it like something you'll just kind of teetered in? Yeah I think it's so interesting and I think it's such a huge thing nowadays

like just podcasting general so many people are listening. I love listening to podcasts myself so I'd love to do more. Yeah it's a wild direct line to your audience and or the families which I think is really neat. Is there anything else about American afterlife that you want to say to get us to go listen? Is there a bit twist that we need to go to? Yeah there's definitely a big twist that's going to be very unexpected so even reading it myself I was like what? Like when I got to a certain part so yeah

definitely give it a listen you'll be very intrigued. And where can we find the podcast? You can find the podcast anywhere you listen to your podcasts. Well we appreciate your time you have a wonderful day and thank you for coming on the show. This is the TJ show and apparently people are getting more interested in these like audio drama podcasts they are actually now hiring actors and actresses to almost like a movie. Well it's actually what the radio was like in the 1930s and 40s

radio plays. Right it's kind of a modern-day version of that and so there's one that came on our radar some friends of ours put together it's called American afterlife. It's one of the stars in it is Scarlett Estivez who used to be on the Disney channel Scarlett are you there? Hello. Hey. Scarlett you know I saw a video it was going around on social media and it's like you screaming and they're like all right if you've got the take and then they just move on and it's like

what horrible thing just happened to Scarlett that they're making you scream that way. It seems like

you're having a good time doing this. Oh yeah I always wanted to do like horror and this isn't

like horror but it's kind of the same realm. Yeah it's very tense and you know I've heard some of the previews and it's kind of fun and I thought since you're an actress maybe I don't know maybe we could play out a little scene here would you be open to that? Yeah totally I love that. Okay right now there's going to be fun. All right now here's this scenario right so why don't you pretend to be my vet's office? Okay. Yeah I have an old senior dog named Luna so I just took

“her in for a blood test and you have to deliver the news to me that she's actually part bear.”

Okay. Can you do that? Yeah. Okay the phone rings ring ring ring actress Scarlett Estivez picks up the phone at the vet's office. Hey Scarlett I'm just calling for Luna blood test results it's TJ her owner. Oh yeah right right hi TJ um yeah let me have that really really quick um in our system. Choose your earlier today right? Yeah she's the really old dog. Yeah yeah okay so I'm not sure if this is correct but I just look in our system and it looks like

I don't know this must be a mistake um what it looks like she should be fine she looks like a very happy dog. Wait but what's wrong? Well it's right now a part of her DNA it's not showing it was a T9 it's showing up this she might be like part bear as in the other animal. Yeah like bear

cute. So this is not a horrible thing. No not at all just start dog park bear. Luna's part

“bear guys I just got the news. Congratulations that's why she's so cute. You always wanted a bear.”

Wait well Scarlett all right seen and that was great. That was awesome. Good job and see why does it and see yeah that's why you don't work in that line of feet. That line of work has a scene is Kenny Wright. Oh yes yeah and seen or cut. Hey when Kenny's right we're not in character anymore. This is too much fun J-Boy I want you to do one of these can you do one of these? Oh yes set it up. Okay great so Scarlett hold on right there we're gonna do this one more time with J-Boy

okay with the difference scenario. One of the stars C-Lo in American Afterlife a new podcast coming up

on the TJ show. This is the TJ show I didn't know today it was gonna be so much fun.

I just found out that my dog is part bear if you missed it go listen to this on our podcast after

“the show search for the TJ show wherever you're listening to them Scarlett Estovaz she is starring”

in one of those like acted out scripted podcasts is called American Afterlife it's a young adult audio drama very tense if you need more tension in your life you know we all need a little more tension in our life Scarlett. It's perfectly timed the world needs tension. Or an escape from real tension. Yeah okay fake tension you know whatever it is but anyway we we had this idea like we have an actress on the phone could she act something out with us and you heard what happened a few moments ago

it was too much fun to say goodbye so J-Boy Spotlight on you here we go you ready for this scenario

what's the scenario yeah all right take note Scarlett so J-Boy this is a real thing so her vacuum her room a accidentally vacuumed over her dog having an accident on the carpet and it was like you know the big accident the higher number accident and that's a true story so she threw away the vacuum right it's gone but what would have happened the beauty of acting what would have happened if she brought the vacuum to the vacuum repair shop she's now calling you the vacuum repair person

okay get an update on her room ring ring ring ring the phone's ringing okay intense music now this is Scarlett speaking oh hi Scarlett I think I spoke to you earlier today I had dropped off my roomba my dog had an accident roomba went all over it disgusting all over the floor the carpet ugh I think it going the walls would be on the walls thankfully it's not but I dropped it off I wanted to know what was the update on that has it gotten fixed yet yeah so we tried to take it apart

and it kind of looks like um it's everywhere yeah but I've really bought it like two weeks ago isn't it like a manufacturer warranty that can still apply yeah so I try to look through the manual and um do you have it on you? no I don't have a manual on me it's probably in my junkware okay

“on page 33 it actually says that you should have walked your dog? no I feel like you're being a smart”

aller I don't think the manual would have that in there since the manual's about the roomba if you would like we can return the room to you and you can take it apart yourself and then clean it that way that's your manager but we actually tried to bleach the roomba we did it and I thought it would bleach and the smell is still there yeah no my carpet's the same thing so the biggest can you fix the room that was great wow scene and no and see cut you are awesome this is so fun thank you for

doing that look at us we're you know let the Disney channel know about java okay she's like a really good carrying java yeah yeah that was very good so there she is that's silo from American afterlife a young adult audio drama you want to hear a little more than acting that a plus acting that scarlet estimates how cool that we got to do that with you we really appreciate it and all the best with the podcast okay thank you so much just so great talking

with you guys yeah she is scarlet estimates on the TJ show well it's great to meet you Scarlet I know that you've done like a ton of on-screen roles you're only like 18 years old and you've done so much in your career already you've been in daddy's home you were in Lucifer the TV series a lot of on-screen work but you actually have voice acting experience too I recognized your voice but I couldn't figure out where it was from but you were in the loudhouse and you are in the loudhouse

as Cara yes yeah so how did you get into that initial voice acting role into a series like that after doing so much stuff with you know will feral and big stars on screen and then you moved into

and it kind of like a raspy voice so I like while I was like working in film I always kind of

have done voiceover stuff also on the side I've done like a few like little things here and there but yeah the loudhouse was like my first like bigger thing so it was really excited to be able to be a part of that yeah it's so fun I don't really usually hear people like recognizing me for that so that's really cool yeah we watched the loudhouse a lot because I my boyfriend I have two dogs and

“our one dog pebbles yeah pebbles is obsessed with the loudhouse so if you have to leave the house”

she wants it on oh yeah that's so cool I know the loudhouse very well and then I was like oh my goodness that's the voice and it was crazy because I know you've done so much on screen stuff then to go into this audio only kind of things it's like you can do anything oh thank you yeah it's really

fine I love doing voiceover it's so cool it's definitely like it's a completely different but also

the same in some ways yeah it's really interesting now you're the lead in this audio drama podcast called American Afterlife how did you get involved in that was it kind of right after loudhouse or did they come to you and find you for it yeah I remember I'd gotten an email I think from bill who was the director on it and he like sent me I think all the scripts and was like oh you know we'd love to see if you're interested in this that I think the writer of the book Pedro

his daughters has seen me in something or something like that so they thought that I'd be cool for it so I read it and I like fell in love with whole story because it's like super intense and like completely different from anything I've ever done so yeah I was really excited now this podcast it's only got a few episodes out right now it launched an April but it debuted as Apple's number one fiction podcast which is extremely impressive and it says a lot about the podcast popularity

other people have heard it and they fell in love with it so if anyone is just hearing about this for the first time the American Afterlife what is it about you mentioned the book can you talk about kind of what it's about when you listen to it yeah totally I'm sure it's basically I play CLO in American Afterlife and it's basically the story of the big earthquake that everyone's been talking about that's gonna happen and you know destroy everything so it's kind of

about if that earthquake actually happened and then my character CLO instead of you know going to be rescued when all the people came and like the helicopter is in stuff to you know evacuate everyone it's based in Eugene Oregon so to evacuate everyone from there instead of being saved CLO decides to stay because she's searching for her mom through all this crazy stuff and then

I know people always say like the scariest thing about being alone is like finding out that you're

not really alone so it kind of touches on that too so yeah it's really cool hooked I wish he's yeah it just says a lot to like a lot of people that have been listening to it obviously it's ranked number one Apple fiction podcast right now but people describe your character CLO as a badass kind of a better term so you see parts of yourself and CLO and like has it brought out parts of

“you that you didn't even know about yourself yeah totally I think she's a lot more of a badass”

than I am I think I'm definitely more like a people pleaser and she's just completely not that which is it was really cool to yeah play her and kind of like maybe taking note sometimes it's like wow how did she do that this situation she's so like confrontational and like unapologetic so she was really cool to play because it's completely different from who I mean I think I am well like parts of you obviously yeah pretty cool into anything you do I kind of like picture you like

with friends me like okay I'm gonna confront I'm gonna challenge yeah mode locked uh yeah I'm speaking of bill though you mentioned him um he's one um producers and works on the podcast on a lot of big projects including that 96 movie with Nicholas Cage and Sean Connery yeah bit like to work with someone who's got so much experience and is this kind of a bucket list moment for you yeah it was really cool I think like in moments like that when I'm working with someone

who has so much experience I kind of just like I'm like okay I'm just gonna sit back and like you just teach me like I don't know anything close to what you know so yeah it was really cool to kind of just like let him guide the whole thing and he has such great visions and direction and all that stuff so it was really really cool to work with him and I was very impressed yeah speaking of um you know letting him kind of take the lead in stuff and learning as you go I've heard and I'm not an

actress but I've heard that on screen acting making yourself cry is like said to be one of the most difficult things to do when you're voice acting and you're in this audio only element what's been

“so far the hardest thing to kind of bring out I think probably the craziest thing is like it”

gets kind of actiony at the like towards the end of it there's a lot of crazy stuff that goes down

in this recording studio and like having to pretend like I'm like running it all that stuff so

“that was really interesting to like I have to like really go in there mentally and try and put”

myself in that place it's like an interesting challenge yeah for sure but you've been doing a lot of work since and I know it's crazy because you're 18 and I'm not it's just really impressive you've been

doing on screen film type of acting since 2013 and so you've been in this for over 10 years and you're

still like are you graduating high school this year? I technically via senior in high school but I graduated like sophomore year yeah so I mean for people a lot of people your age or graduating high school and you've done all these things so far so your future is only going to be brighter with all that you've already accomplished. Is there anything on your list that you hope to

“one day do it's kind of just a secret aspiration of yours that if the opportunity came you would do”

it so quick. I mean this was kind of like in that same alley which is like why I was so interesting in it but yeah something like really dystopian like I love the maze runner movies those are like my favorite I watched them all the time with my sister so something like that would be like so cool so fun to film. Ramanofesting it. Yes fingers crossed. I have to ask you two before we go I want to

“know you know getting started so early was there someone in your life that kind of I did the same thing”

or did you just always have this draw? Yeah my mom's family like has kind of been in the entertainment

business so like my mom's sister she's an actress so my mom like let us try it when we're younger but my older sister did it first and like if you have an older sister you kind of just want to do everything that they do so my sister is all disobeying for like commercial and stuff like that and I was like I mean if she's doing it must be awesome so I did it and I fell in love with it so that's kind of how I got started. That's cool. No no she don't wait that to say hey I showed you that.

Yeah she's like oh well. We're goal sister behavior. You're all going. Scarlet is been so nice to talk to you. You are a CLO in American afterlife the podcast. It's number one fiction podcast on Apple and you can hear new episodes on Tuesdays. Thank you so much.