Amanda Peet Returns

I'm Dan Shepherd, and I'm joined by Lily Padman. - Hi. - Good morning to you. - Good afternoon to you. - We have a babe on today.

- Oh, God, I love her. - Uber talented fox, Amanda Pete, actor producer, playwright, her credits include the whole nine yards. A lot like love, something's gotta give, dirty John. And she has a new film out that I genuinely loved.

I hope it comes across in the interview, 'cause I really, really enjoyed it. It's called Fana Sea Life, and it is out. Lincoln's birthday, March 27th. - Yeah, that's right.

You forgot a really important credit so you're 60 on the sunset strip, one of my favorite shows. - Great, Erin Sorgen. - Right.

- And by Tommy Shalom, he directed. - And guess what? She's in it with her best friend, Bird, Sarah Paulson. - Yes, and then of course, the new season

of your friends and neighbors, incredible shows.

She's incredible on that, and that is April 3rd. So it's a one, two fucking punch. That's one week you see the movie, and then the next week you start the show. - You can get more Amanda.

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- How are you? - I'm so happy. - Yeah, I just saw it. - It was a great episode. - She kind of looks like you.

“I think maybe I told her that, maybe I told her”

she looks like Courtney Cox. - Oh my goodness. - It's all a very good, very good, I guess. - I'm gonna be in the mood in the mush. - And this would be a ding ding ding,

because this would come up in the project that you just did in that you're here to promote. Funny enough, we're gonna end a doppelgangers. But we're gonna end your marked doppelgangers. I had to look up who you had dated today.

I got curious of who like you had dated famously. - Really? - Yes, I didn't know. - Who have I dated for? - Not many, not many.

- But Ben's still or that's of no. - How did you know about that? - 'Cause I looked on the internet. - But Hannah knows everything. - When have I just talked about that?

- I have no idea, but right now and right now. - Hey, how do I know that? - Was it like one date then? - Short, right? 97-ish?

- Later. - Okay. - Later, we later. 97, I was, yeah, no. I was, we were thinking of restaurants.

- Wait, you think no one knows that? - Was that funny? - Yeah. - Oh, okay. Would you prefer it?

We keep it there? - No, I mean, I'm proud of it.

- Yeah, you picked me first.

- Yeah, that's great. - Yes. I don't know what to speak for myself. I'm at the age of like anyone that will own up to have having dated me.

I'm kind of like very proud. I can give you an example of one. I thought for sure she wanted no one to know. - That's funny. She went in here to know this.

- What? - 'Cause that's one of my self-esteem is, right? And then she yelled across from the other end. She was in her and I was in makeup.

“She goes, remember when we used to make out?”

- Good for her. - Yes, and I was like so fluttered. She wasn't embarrassed that you did. - This makes me like her. - Yeah.

- Right. - Our kids go to school together. - Yeah. - No, when I see her, I'm gonna be like, "Yeah, good one." - What's that?

- Nicotine. - Uh-huh. - Have you ever been a nicotine consumer? - Yes. - Okay, it's a great variety.

- A great variety. - Okay. - 10 years. - Same. - What brand?

- It's parliament. - Yeah, that's a great brand for you. - A little. - Those are the little ones, right? - That's the cool girls.

- Yeah. - What are the not cool ones? - My girl. - My girl. - That's too basic.

- You know that. - You know that. - Okay, no, no. Except sometimes people like turn it on their head. And they're really, really cool girls then do a basic cigarette.

Like the Olsen's and some of the pictures have her. - Yeah. - But in some of the pictures look, I did a deep dikes. I was done for Halloween. They have more for Halloween.

And I had to know 'cause I had to go buy cigarettes for the first time in my entire life.

- Good woman.

“- All you remember is being in my friend's house.”

It started in a joky kind of way. At college, we were studying. It was a study group and she smoked. - Yeah. - And I just kind of set as a joke.

- Like a bit. - But not funny. - Yeah, yeah. I tried and I started fake smoking and it just slowly. If you keep trying, eventually you'll do more than.

- How old are you? - I'm curious. - 11 and about to be 13. - Okay, so you're right there. - Yeah, four weeks away from 13 and 11.

We're 11 and 12 though at the moment. I was going to hear Mark this.

“But I think you and I both got exactly what we deserve.”

It sounds like from how you've been describing some of the moments with your daughters. - Tell me what you mean in your case and what you mean. - Yeah, I'm curious. - Yeah, so at one point a year.

- And then we'll get back to Ben Stiller? - Yeah, we'll circle back.

- Always circle back to Ben Stiller.

- Oh, I didn't know who else. - You know what that was. - There was another co-star. Very short lived. It was a five month deal.

And that was around 99 from I can't remember what movie. - Yeah? - I'm literally like I can't wait. - You don't remember? I don't forgotten the person's name.

It wasn't as identifiable as Ben Stiller, so I forgot. You're wrecking your brain. - Five months. - That's what it seemed like.

- It was a serial monogamous. So any of these little ones were really little. - Wait, so having a game? - I was a serial monogamous. - So these are one of five months sounds weird.

- You've not done a lot of me either. - I didn't seem right. - I do 45 days before. - Jessica Alba. - Multiple years.

- Or, yeah, yeah, a few weeks.

- Remember making that with me? - Yeah, that's not true. - You've had some three monthers. - Oh, really? - Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

It's like capped at like 90 days. Either I'm 90 days or I'm many years. - Yeah. - That makes sense. - I don't have a bunch of one year relations.

- You've even worse than that. It's either like two minutes or a fucking eternity. - Really, really you're in couples therapy and you're 26. I mean, come on. - But your daughter came in, your husband's in his crazy rack.

He gets in because he has a bad back. You're new doing something. She comes in a barrel sweater and she says, "What do you guys?"

“- Do you guys ever miss being young and attractive?”

- Oh. - Wow. - Wow. - How old is she? - She was.

- Oh, she was. - She was. - She was. - 16, 17. - Ouch.

- But you were quick to say. You had some moments when you were a teen girl, where your mother said you're not going to go out of the house and that. And some boxers with a belt in a tank top.

- This is really crazy. Yes. I think my dad's boxers are fake boxers with this really tragic, big belt with a huge, almost like it's like a Soviet army belt.

And a German was very weird, the signage. I feel like you'd probably be canceled too. - Oh, sure. - Oh, sure. - Maybe I could not.

- Oh, sure. - But it's working back to a bygone air in Germany. - German? - Tank top. I had no idea as a Jew I shouldn't have been wearing those.

Yes. And she would be like, you're not wearing a bra. You can't go out like that. And we got into that. - You said I'd like to see you stop me.

Basically. - Oh, yeah. - I believe I left that way. - So you got yourself, right? Did I guess that's the point I made you?

- Oh, I see. - Yeah. I would say what's even worse than that, though, is the abstinence, the pushback. She's very stubborn.

“And also, well, I think I had ADD, just undiagnosed.”

- I watched you in Paulson chat in an interview. - Best friends. Could we get anything out? - There's another earmark for later. Yes, I was watching YouTube talk.

And it's almost identical to my best friend, Aaron and I talking. No one's finishing any of the sentences. Everyone's talking at once, but you understand everything that's being said. No one else can. And I was like, well, Paulson definitely is ADHD.

And I think you're very there with her. Oh, yeah. - Can you definitely not cut this part out? Because she's constantly fucking talking about my ADD. And sometimes I just want to be like, you know,

my psychiatrist is still not sure about this. - Yeah. - Because just anxiety and ADD, not to, like, - You're silly. - I'll thank you, Dinkier, but to give you an example.

Let's say my sister and I were in a car ride or a plane ride. My parents would have taken us to a bookstore or a library or whatever to get books out. And she would be just peacefully reading completely immersed. And I would just be looking at her like, how come I'm not like that.

And then I'd be like, what was that? - Hyperware. - Hyperware. And so then that takes you out.

Is it anxiety or is it which came first?

- We just had an ADHD expert on. Yes, ADHD is dysregulation. So anxiety is dysregulation. Like they're all overlapping in co-morbidities. And it's all a spectrum.

- Well now because everyone's talking about ADHD, it's very top of me. I feel I don't have it and I don't think anyone has it. - Yes, he was very annoyed that I was starting to self identify.

- I'm like, guys, I love enough of this ADHD. But no, it's real. I'm gonna get in trouble. - It's real. - Why are you gonna get in trouble?

People get mad. You know, they're like, it's, I have it. I was diagnosed as, it is. Of course it's real. But I do think there's a lot of people saying, like, I have it.

Because when we had our expert on shoes explaining it,

and I was like, I have it. (laughing) Turns out I have it. - It's a little bit like how I feel, Amanda Anke is gonna kill me.

“But like how I feel about people who talk about astrology.”

- Yeah, where she is. - And you're such a Capricorn. - And like it doesn't matter what. - And you guys don't like the astrology. - But she loves astrology.

- Okay, you like it. - Yeah. - But you really truly think, no. - Oh, that. - If I could be the object of outsider, on the spectrum, 10 is you're making all of your life decisions based

on the astrology chart. Zero is you and I. What are we talking about? But it goes to 6.57. - I'm a 6.5.

- Like it was a new moon and she did all the things one supposed to do for a new moon. - You're a believer. - Do you think? - Yeah. - Okay.

- Like being a little bit pregnant. - Yeah, if you're doing all the things that are recommended because of the new moon, your actions are being influenced by this thing. - But I'm not like, oh, that person's a Pisces.

We are not gonna get along. - Stay away. - But I don't do that. I don't make any judgments about people who I want to be around.

- Give me one example of what you did because the moon was in Who's He Who? - It's too late for you guys, sorry. But on the lunar new year, you blow salt into the room.

I forget what you say. There was a script.

“But basically, you're cleansing out the last year.”

And then you blow cinnamon in. You're bringing in abundance. - What else did I do? - Oh, you're not alone. - You were caught in your red.

- You're supposed to wear red. - You can't wash your hair. - Yeah, I can't wash your hair. - You can't cut anything. - Especially your hair.

On that day. Was this the first year? - Sorry that I don't understand. - No, it's okay. - No, it's okay.

- Is this the first year you observed?

- Yeah. - I'm kind of you. - I'm kind of you. - I'm kind of you. - I'm kind of you.

- Convert? - Yeah, I'm a new conversation. - I'm kind of an enthusiast for eight years. She likes to read the horoscopes and stuff. - Yeah, I think it's fun.

- But where do you read exactly? That's why I'm not extreme. - I read co-star. It's like an app. I could serve this stuff on Instagram.

That's like, oh, look. But then sometimes it's eerie. Are you a Capricorn for real? - Yeah, January 11. - Yeah, you would be skeptical.

- Yeah. - You're 11, right? - Yeah. - January 11, second. Yeah, we know what's up.

- What's Amanda? Yeah, Virgo. He wants to do it on her car. She's going to kill me. - She's December.

“- It is offensive to people when you forget”

their sight if they believe it. - It feels like-- - What? - What? - December 17th.

- December 17th. - That's her birthday. - So, I don't-- - I don't even know what that is. That sounds right.

She-- - Uh, let me see. I don't know. She's a voice over artist. She's the daughter of Paul Anka.

- Yes. - She's incredibly friendly and smart. - Yeah. - And inclusive. - Is that your message?

- Yes, that was nice of you. Good job. Good friend. Now, I'm going to ask her if she did the sentiment and the salt. - There's no way she didn't.

- I hope she did. What do you think is going to default us? - 'Cause you didn't do it. - Yes. - I actually don't think anything bad's going to happen.

I just think good things are going to happen to me. Because I did it. - I think you guys are fine. - I think I'm not going to. - I am pretty seriously.

- Yeah. - I also come from a kind of superstitious family. It does pair nicely with some of this astrology stuff. - Yeah. - We're going to tell them.

- Okay, Virgo. - Double Virgo. - Thank you. - That piece is really important. And I'm trying to tread lightly.

The double Virgo is a very beautiful artist. - Sure. - Actually, I'm horrible to be around. - Don't you just feel like it's confirmation by us so, - Yeah.

- It is. - But it's fun. - Doing it, don't you think it's going to be fun? - It's going to be fun. - Okay.

You know, when I listen back to our first interview, it was over Zoom. No, thank you. - Yeah, that was sad that we had a great time. - It was over Zoom.

It was early 2021. And so, it was very, very COVID-19. It wasn't unique interview. We didn't really go through your background, which we always do.

And I always enjoy so much.

- Yeah, it's our fun. - And so I'm actually excited to have you back. You have the queries. Look at your face. - It's like, you haven't talked about your hands.

- I can't tell what the energy is. - Really? - Yes. - I'm trying to figure out, like, what's-- - Well, I'm a tiny bit nervous.

- Well, I'm really telling me more. - Well, you know, 'cause I'm nervous. I'm not saying I'm only boring. - It's only boring. - Well, you're probably not going to be boring.

- You're in the quirky and interesting. - Okay. - Yeah. - All right. - Your baseline is fucking very interesting.

So even if you've found it in, it probably would be marginally better than most. - Okay. - Yeah. - That's true.

- What you guys started is very special and to be so curious minded and make a career out of being curious and having the humility to ask people like you've all know a herriory

and have spectacular people. Like that here next to shows like me. We are so in need of that kind of humility and curiosity, that combination. It's very special and humor.

like you've all know a herriory to lay people who may not otherwise read those books or understand those concepts. It's very profound. - Well, thank you.

- Great, truly. - That's very painful. - Thank you. - Thank you. - We'll take it.

- Dr. Benstler. - Dr. Benstler. - You're from a very historic New York family.

We didn't get to talk about that the first time.

You have a pair of thumbs, great-great-grandfathers, that were both very prominent New Yorkers. One was the President of Manhattan Burrow. - Manhattan Burrow President.

- Sam Levy. - Yes. - Sam Roxy. - Roxy Rothafel. Invented Radio City Music Hall,

designed Radio City Music Hall. - And built these movie palaces. - Yes. - The Roxy Theater. This bows my mind.

6,000 movie theater in Times Square. - Wow. - And he like funded Broadway plays. - He was like an impresario, I guess.

“- And that's what we would call a play producer.”

- Yeah. He was an entertainer on the business side. - And from Prussia. - Gaze, that right? - Left Prussia.

- He knows more about my family history.

- But just so rare you read about someone who actually, like I read a few Nazi-Fski books and they're setting pressure. I'm like, what the fuck is Prussia, if I was actually lived in Prussia and came here and did all this in New York? - Yeah.

I really want to do Henry. - Yes. - So he's going to ask if you had done it. - I think he really is. - I don't know if it's that thing where you're not supposed to ask.

It's on his side Manhattanboro president, I think it was. And it's a little hard to get information. - Growing up where your parents, your dad's Quaker, your mom's Jewish. - My dad's not Quaker. - He's not.

- That's all erroneous. - I went to Quaker School. - Friendly Seminary. - Friends, like Manhattan friends, like the Society of Friends is Quakers.

- Quakers, yeah. - Okay, but back to these great-great grandparents, when you were brought up, did they tell you about them?

“Did they go like, hey, you should kind of have some pride in the city?”

- Not really. - A little bit Roxy because we would drive by, you know, I grew up in New York City. - Yeah. - So we would either, when we went to theater,

sometimes we would drive by radio city musical. But I didn't really understand if he was an architect. And then eventually, at some point, I saw the Roquettes, and was told that he invented the Roquettes, and probably slept with half of them.

- That was standard. - Yeah, standard. - Yeah. - That's why men built places. - Yeah.

- It was. - Yeah. - And apparently he died broke. I don't know what the whole story is. - Oh, we got to get you on finding your roots.

- Isn't it crazy all these stories of these people? They accomplished so much, but the risk taker part of them that would make them accumulate that they also are so destined to lose it all too. I find that fascinating.

- Well, it depends how much you think shit runs on luck, right? - Yeah. - Oh, uh-huh. - Like this luck ran out. So did your parents grow up in wealth?

- My mother did. And I guess it sort of depends what you define as wealth. But I would say yes, my mother grew up on a farm in Bedford. And my dad, his family was normal. But his mother was a renowned person in advertising.

In 1957, she was a woman of the year. The reason I looked all of this up was because of Mad Men. - Yeah. - Because that was her milieu. And she was actually full-time working mom

who was way ahead of her time, and a crazy trailblazer

and ended up being the second-in-command

at McCann Erickson in the late 50s. - That feels impossible in the 50s. - Yeah. - For her to have accomplished that? - Yeah.

- Yeah. - Your mom's still with us? - No. - She's not just three weeks ago. - Oh, my God.

I'm so sorry. - Thank you. - Wow. What terrible timing for that question? - No, no, no.

She was very sick for a long, long time. She had four brothers and sisters. Big, huge family. They were German Jews. So they had a Christmas tree. There's something that went wrong between my grandfather

and his father. And I don't know if I want to say it this strongly, but it's the word that's going to remind. He didn't renounce his Judaism, but he wasn't observant. - Right, right, right.

- But they didn't change it in our name. They were the livis and they experienced. I mean, my parents got married at a club and she had to enter through a different door because she was Jewish.

“- I think they go back years as staunch Democrats”

on my mom's side liberals. So the social work isn't that weird, but she was a Russian government major at Smith in the '50s, like height of the Cold War, went to work at the CIA.

- Oh, wow. - She could read Russian. So she was in the department, matching it out. - Where?

- You were very nice.

- The Cuban Missile Crisis.

She was in that office. And I don't really know why. She said, "Wait, out of that." - She was a badass too. So your dad married his mom.

- Well, that holds. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - You may not be with that wrong about that. This is something why I talk about and think about a lot.

- You have a boy or boys? You have three kids. - Yeah, if two girls and then a baby boy who's 11, he's not a baby. But my sister and her husband met

essentially in Kadava class in medical school. And he, aside from David, I would say their marriage is the most 50/50 child care. Their marriage is 50/50 child care. - Yeah.

- Like I had a friend over they used to come every holiday like the Christmas holidays and Jeff, who's a professor of epidemiology and works at Chop in Pediatric Infectious Diseases just like walked through our kitchen

living area with a load of laundry. My girlfriend was like, (laughs) - For the listeners and the guests look on your face.

- Like just what's happening. - What am I referring? - How did she find a husband like that? And I was kind of like, what else is there? - Exactly.

- Oh, that's so interesting. - Was David's mom a gangster?

“- I think she's a gangster in a certain way.”

And you know, she went to Cornell and that's how they met. - So he was looking for a smart girl as well. - Yes. But he has career took precedence over her.

He was the CEO of Goldman Sachs. - Yes. - And I think he worked at the Fed as well. - And then he worked under Bush. - He had quite a career like that.

(laughs) - Okay, you moved to London at seven for four years? - Yep. - Why did you guys go to London? Who's career took you there, your dad?

- Yes, he was a corporate lawyer and they just said we're opening the office here who would like to go. So we went there and that was a very special part of my upbringing.

And to my parents credit, they sent us to an English school. They wouldn't let us go to the American school. They wanted us to have a real experience. - Did you guys develop English accents? - Oh, yes.

- Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Yes, especially me as you can probably. - Oh, cool. - You couldn't wait.

- Oh my God. - You didn't develop it. You didn't put it on. (laughs) - It was so tragic when I would get caught going back

into my American accent when I moved home.

My first day back at Front Seminary, I was like, "Hey, how are you?"

(laughs) - Oh my God, thank you for this warm welcome. Oh my God, this is so lovely. (laughs) - And were you exotic to those British kids?

This was a bit of a dream at that age. Just like to go somewhere, I wouldn't thought I was super interesting. And I could do a character. - Well, it wasn't interesting in a good way, really. - It wasn't.

- No, I think there was some of the, maybe it was just me, but like Americans are dumb. And they talk like this, and it's so weird. - Uh-huh. - It wasn't a cool thing.

- And it was very strict. And I had come from this hippie Quaker school in New York City.

“And then you have to say prayer before you eat.”

It was very strict, not to Kenziean, but it was still the old days there. - Yeah. - Don't forget some salad. - Oh, what?

- No, not protein. - No protein. - Yeah, wait, kind of gnarly. - Oh, wow. - It did.

It was like where their teachers hitting the desk was sticks and stuff. And then we go that far. Something to steep in tradition. That's why you put it on board. - It was a board.

- Yeah. You know, uniforms and ridiculous strictness. - So you hated it? - I kind of hated it, but I'm very grateful. - Yeah.

- And now you're grateful. - And my cousins were there. We were very close with my mom's brothers, kids. And they were already living there, because the dad was doing work. There was this little community of American expats.

And it was very special time. - Outside of school, you were in London, I presume? - Yeah. - And did you love it? Could you run freely?

And was it a safe, fun place to grow up? - I was just an anxious little child who was like living in a different city. I don't even know if I had a perspective on it as a place beyond my own.

My kids, I feel like I didn't realize this with Frankie, my first child.

But now that I've had three children, I realize that around seven, eight, I start getting happens when you die. That's when the existential, that's when you can tell whether you have a kid, where you're going to be like, "Oh, God, another one on SSRI." - Okay.

- Yeah. - Oh, that's interesting. - I remember walking by Molly's bedroom.

“I think I might have been pregnant with Henry.”

Or maybe it was a little later. And she just went mom. And I was like, in Harry, and she just said, "It's not just so weird that we're here." And I was like, "Yes."

- And I was like, "Yes." - I was like, "I'll go over there." - I'll go over there. - I'll go over there back back down later. But it's smart.

But so when I moved, it correlated with that time of like an upswing and anxiety. And so I do remember that.

- I think we could say at that age, you have met a cognition. You can think of your own thoughts. Your identity is forming. You're starting to really explore your thinking in some weird way. - And fear, you start being aware of the dangers.

- Yeah. Maybe because there are some independence around that time, so you're like, "Fing me." - Yeah. And also just brain development.

You're able to take in more.

“I remember we shot Game of Thrones in Belfast,”

which in the very beginning when we first got to Belfast,

really reminded me of London circa 1979. - Oh wow. - Like the food. - Bagus. - Yeah. - We sent the kids to school there and to daycare there.

But yeah, I remember a few years later, Frankie saying, "Mommy, I just miss Belfast. It's the only place I feel safe." And I remember being like, "Wow, if my parents could hear this." Because, you know, when we were in London,

was at the height of the troubles. - troubles being like IRA, bombing things stuff. - Yeah, the troubles in Northern Ireland. And I remember there being a backpack left on the sidewalk on the corner. I should remember my mom being like, "Girls, run!"

And we were like, "What? What? No wonder you were anxious." - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, that sounds maybe appropriate. - We did have the kings or the queens troops or horse.

They used to come by where we were. - The procession.

“- Yeah, there was some kind of procession where they were practicing.”

And they would come once a week on Saturday or Sunday mornings. And I know my mom every time was just like, you know, because of the IRA issues. - You're at that. - Not there would be a chance.

- Yeah, so this is some inherited anxiety. - How was this experience on the marriage? - My parents' marriage? - She went to England for his career. And whether she liked it or not there, I don't know,

but if she didn't like it there, I just wonder. - You know, he was a corporate lawyer. She was really interested in being a social worker. She became really interested in psychoanalysis. The 70s, 80s, New York version.

And was really interested in what is really going on beneath the surface. And my dad was not at all that way. Very smart, but just much more of a literal thinker. Which is sort of what I was talking about with my kids. Who knows, you might have a kid like that between me and David.

I guess I thought it was possible. But like someone who's just more... - Marching through everything? - Yeah. And able to take things and stride and be maybe a little more literal.

Just not as prone to hold the situation so complexly all the time. - Ah.

“- And so my parents, I think, were not well-suited in that way.”

And it didn't end up exploding. - At what age were you? - 17 senior year of high school. - Okay, so they made it for a while back in New York. - Yes.

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Yes, reinvent myself as a little English girl coming back into New York.

But this school, friends seminary, is the oldest co-education school still in Manhattan?

Is that true? It is. Wow. I read a lot about this school today. It's a very special place.

Yes, it's very tiny, right? Yeah. And I'm thinking about the juxtaposition of living in New York City, which couldn't get bigger. And yet going to a school that's was way smaller than mine living in rural Michigan. So there's this interesting juxtaposition between going to school.

And then maybe what New York was at large. Did it feel like a little sanctuary? Because you how many classmates did you have? Feel like it was like 40 or 50? Okay.

That's tiny. Yeah.

And no, school was I have too many pimples and a mustache.

And who am I going to kiss and why am I dumb?

“You're super smart, but were you not doing well in school?”

I was pretty competitive. So I think that probably kept me from thinking all the way. Like I definitely was distracted a lot. I was depressed a lot and distracted a lot both. And had some fun.

I began psychoanalysis at age 13. My mom whenever anyone had any problems was like get the two a shrink. Right. But that was what happened. It was a matter of course.

And my sister was like, fuck you. And I was like, okay. Yeah. And then I went to see three people to check out who I wanted to be with. And I picked this man.

And within maybe two or three sessions, he said from his chair. You know, I think you were very good candidate for psychoanalysis. And I was like, well, what's that? Yeah.

But I guess I want something. Yeah. I'm a good candidate. You just hurt good candidates. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was so fascinating.

So he sort of explained to me. And then my mom and I became extremely close through this. She was in psychoanalytic training to be a psychoanalyst. And was an analyst on patient at the same time that I was. So we were a fucking nightmare.

And my poor sister was just like, oh my god.

“Well, now 40 years later, would you say all this was additive or was it not great?”

Yeah. What's your take on this now? You think 13's a good age to enter deep psychoanalysis? Absolutely not. But you know, we didn't have the discussions that we're having today.

So it's lousy that everyone has ADD and that we're over medicalizing and over. Maybe I don't want to say that. No, we've had it some pretty good experts on to say that there is major issues with it. The path I would jyzing of everything. That's what I wanted to say.

Yeah. And said wrongly. And really quick, heard data was you guys know 30% of all seizures are not epilepsy. 30% of all heart conditions that bring into the emergency room are not heart disease. So we have a great capacity to affect ourselves with our thoughts without judgment of anyone.

But 30% of all people dealing with seizures for lack of a better term. They're in their mind, right? So yeah, it is something to definitely be observed. You don't want to discount this 70% that have a little jyidment thing. But also there's a very significant amount of us who have pathologized a lot of stuff that we got to be careful of.

I think it's both. I think it was really patriarchal that he suggested. My junior year, I don't think our analysis is finished. And I think you ought to consider going to college in the New York area so that we can continue our work. Do I sound like Woody Allen?

Yeah, but I love it. He did have a really strong near vaccine. Oh, that's weird.

Really? Yeah, yeah.

And then when I tried to leave because he was like a traditional Freudian analyst.

So I'd say I saw this movie, you know, a room with a view and I thought it was so beautiful. And it made me have a sexual fantasy. But I don't know. I'm making that up. I'd be like, did you see it?

“You know, the part where and he'd be like, what's your thought about whether I saw it or not?”

It's kind of a mental maze or can be at times. Is the analyst really neutral and really a blank slate? Can anyone be a blank sleeve a dicho here? So now I know you drink dicho. You're not blank.

And also you can have a transference even when you know something about the person. And then there's maybe a more global thought of like, do I want a 40 year old man talking to my young daughter? I know. I did that just now for me. I don't know why.

I thought really taken seriously. So talking about our similarity about having like a little bit of an intellectual chip on my shoulder. A chip on my shoulder about my intellectual capacity status, especially once I became an actress or became very interested in acting. That was quite shameful.

Like I'm vapid. From your parents or who wears acting? Yeah, okay.

But then from the fact that first it was from your parents.

Like you're doing something that is silly. Favorites. And also just stupid statistically. Right, right, right. There's an implied vanity to it as well.

Too much based on looks. This is not a meritocracy. What? How do we weigh this? Anyone who is doing anything because they look a certain way.

They haven't earned that. You were born that way. Yeah, there are some shame around. Yeah, I got to a desktop one time with Adam Grant, which he and I lived to get in Dustups.

This is all great. We like to dance this. He called it. You know, Adam Grant. Yeah, no.

That's just that word. But he writes a lot of up at pieces and he wrote languishing. That was really popular in the New York Times. He's like a known intellectual. But he was a little bit shitting on people who post their beauty or get likes and attention

for their looks and their beauty. And I was like, so Adam, you are gifted this great intelligence. And what you do with that is you put your work out there for approval and attention. But if you weren't gifted intelligence and you were gifted. That person is not allowed to exploit the gift they got.

I don't know why one is better than the other. We're all trying to get approval and love and attention with whatever thing we got gifted. What are you thinking of today? I think that's right. I don't think I used to think that.

But I do think that all of our assets are given for the most part. We can work on them.

“And I think I work hard for the things that I have.”

But I also know there's gifts there that I didn't pick. You have two hardworking parents. You genetically got jeans from very driven hardworking and intellectual people. Yeah. I can write stuff.

I can comprehend. So like I lean into those. So I really shouldn't blame someone for leaning in to whatever they have. I think that's how I feel these days. How do you feel about this vis-a-vis your daughters, though?

I think they have the option to probably get attention and either way. And I would of course prefer they get attention for their brain. Why? Because I know that in order to get that attention, they're going to have to apply themselves to something rigorously for a while.

And I think there's great a steam to be gotten from that. For happiness. Yeah, for internal values. Yes, but for the person who that's not an option. I think there is a problem with kind of a leadism and intellectualism.

That we're sitting over here going like this is an okay way to get attention and be loved by the world. But the way you are able to do it. That's vapid and vein and self obsessed. I don't buy that. I think we're all doing the same thing.

And I don't think if you're writing things to get noticed and applauded as I'm doing and we're all doing. Then I'm ever in a position to tell someone in a bikini they're not allowed to get attention. I don't think I'm morally in a place to be judgmental of anyone seeking attention and approval. Do you feel the same way? Well, it depends on if it works, I guess. If someone who posts a picture there bikini.

If posting that really does give them some sort of internal validation, it wouldn't for me. So I can't say that. But if it did, that has to be fine. And if they make a living from that, they're supporting themselves and they buy a home and raise a family. We're all trying to do the best we can with what we got.

“And I think it's really easy for us who wouldn't got degrees and shit to think, well, why you worked for it?”

But you had the capacity to work for it. So you were gifted the capacity to work for it. Someone modeled that for you.

I do think though the problem is most of the physical like posting pictures of that is external validation for the most part.

I don't know maybe someone can comment and say they get a ton of true self esteem from doing that. But I don't think I've seen that be the case for anyone.

So they looked a certain way and then they sprayed tanned and then they looked in the mirror.

“I think they have the same feeling as I do when I do two and a half hours of research on you.”

And then I come in here and I'm able to weave that all together. And I leave. I think the feeling we both have is we put a lot of effort into this and we achieved our goal in this. And I think it's not right for me to discount the things they do. Because they do somebody else telling them it looks good.

But I'm owning the fact that now I want the product of this to be great and I want people to listen to it and love it. I want to be seen and I want to be appreciated for the thing I've invested in. They're doing the same thing. It's not what I would do. But I don't feel right about saying it's a lesser or that I'm above it or that I'm judgmental of it.

I understand what you're saying, but I also understand what you're saying and a sort of had that very argument with my daughter who thinks I'm unfeminist because I'm like must you post that. This makes me feel good for how long it doesn't matter and I'm saying can you do it without posting it. Can you get the feeling the thing about how the male gaze it's his problem if he sees this bikini picture of me and. Can't take me seriously because I'm in a bikini can't take me seriously for my whole self because I'm going to be that's his problem.

I'm going to get into trouble. I don't think I should get into this area. I think this is so interesting. This is incredibly fascinating because I think all three of us have different feelings about it. But also everyone's dealing with this. I was sort of like by posting you are automatically in a conversation you're automatically inviting someone to look.

You're inviting a gaze just by the fact that you posted, but then you want to pretend that it exists outside of any cultural context whatsoever. Yes, on an evacue that it exists in a vacuum and that you are operating purely in a vacuum and the cultural context is over there, but that's not what you meant. Yeah, but I will challenge you and I have it myself. We also didn't grow up where this was standard that the internet was standard that Instagram was standard. And so you and I, I used a whole can of aquanette every time I leave the house so that I could be the most appealing I could be to any girl.

Is that true? Super formal. But I put a ton of effort into leaving my house to go look and get validated by the ups and sex and I think you did too and I think we all did that. I think this division between you leaving the house and wanting to be appreciated by the opposite sex when you went anywhere. I just think Instagram is anywhere. That's there anywhere. So I think we did the same thing. I don't think there's a difference, but it feels incredibly different for us.

But I think it's just life and we were always trying to be as attractive as we could to everyone else. So I don't know why they would not as well.

It's back to degrees. It exists on a continuum just like we just said about ADD and everything else.

“Like I think a lot about, I can't remember where she said it, but ZED Smith was saying how her daughter, this was a few years ago.”

It spends such and such exponentially more time in the mirror before school than her son. And she was like, if you add that time up over the course of many years, he's going to have an advantage. And do you want that? That's interesting. But he's also going to spend a lot of time jumping over fires to impress his friend and dealing with injuries. And he's going to do other shit that's a waste of time in the way that males try to get validation from each other.

I think we just kind of, I think we have to fight the urge to catastrophize all the stuff that's kind of happening. Now the area that I think I'm more in keeping with you is like the conversation I know I'm going to have with them as they go to college about drinking, which is a hundred percent. It's on the male to not rape the girl. Shouldn't be on the girl to worry about getting raped. But I am going to say, here's the data from girls who get raped when they're black out drunk.

Now, yes, it shouldn't ever be a concern of yours. And we live in a certain reality where your odds of that happening are going to go up for acts.

“Obviously, you should be entitled to get black out drunk, just as boys are entitled to get black out drunk.”

But also, here's the facts. So do with them what you will. Yeah. I feel like that's an area where I agree with you. It's like, well, we can't also deny what the statistics of our world tell us. I agree. I think that's a hard thing to talk about because yet sounds like we're saying,

Oh, they're like, what were you wearing thing? And it's really not that. It's not what should be. Yes, we should be fixing boys. You should be able to pass out in the street in a mini skirt and have nothing happening. Exactly. That's what should happen.

So that is Frankie's argument. Yeah, yeah. That's her argument, yeah.

But should and reality are not always, in fact,

If you want the risk, I mean, I'm actually a little more like when she says she feels good. What part feels good? Is it the comments? My relationship with her at that time now, it's different.

But at that time was basically, I'd be like, how did that make you feel?

Okay, good talk. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it was a third row.

“Yeah, because that's the thing that I think famed teaches you, right?”

Which I mean, she should listen to you for this. It feels good for a minute. And then it really doesn't feel good because you also are hearing all the horrible stuff and then you're so self-conscious. The internet is Hollywood.

Yeah, you know, dangerous. It really affects how you feel about yourself. It's deeply impermanent. You know, when you're getting these little spikes of being popular, that it's on very shaky footing.

And yet here we are. Exactly. I know. It's hasty when it's your turn. It is.

Okay. Ben Stiller. No way. I guess I just want to finish with this cool wall.

First of all, you have some fun other alumni from this tiny little school.

Leave Shriver? Lena Dunham? Oh, Lena didn't go to France. Okay, she's missed the credit. Maybe she went to Brooklyn friends.

Oh, look into it for the check. I love her. And I feel like we would have found it over that. Is there a Brooklyn version? Yeah.

And they're all over there. Mostly in Philadelphia. We'll join for both of them. I know I am on DAS. Yeah.

John Bernthal was a really cool waker school outside of D.C. Good. Yeah. Was there any of the practices there that you were like, I'm very lucky I got to experience that.

Yeah. I didn't know that at the time. It was something I looked back on with intense. Braditude and David and I got married in the meeting house. We had like a Jewish wedding in the meeting house.

After his mother-in-law must had a heart attack. [laughter] But luckily David's rabbi was like calm down Barbara. [laughter] It'll be okay.

Yeah. Again, they're doing the parent thing that you were doing. Yeah.

“So I think that the meeting for silence is obviously like a form of meditation.”

We explain that to us. I don't think everyone would know. The idea is that there is no priesthood. There's no hierarchy in Quakers and whatsoever. So there's no priesthood.

Nobody's closer to God than anyone else. And everyone is welcome. You can be from any religion. You can be anyone and you can walk in. They call it a popcorn meeting when you're moved to speak.

You can stand up and say anything. And that silence, particularly on Fridays, there was a 20-minute silence. And on the off-chance that I wasn't doing my AP Euro homework, [laughter]

It's really a way to just stop for a second and have community.

I think they're just strict policy about consensus versus voting. Oh, I guess the idea is you got to figure out how to agree. I like that, especially right now. Everything needs to be taken in. Everyone needs to learn how to hold the situation completely.

Yeah. And forward holding the situation completely. Oh, welcome. It would be a good also theme for us. Yeah.

But God. And then just crazy shit. Like we used to play soccer. I played soccer. We used to go to this janky field near ConEd over by the river.

We didn't have like a fancy place. And in the common room, which was one of the only communal spaces, besides the meeting house, every night, filled with homeless people. Wow. So whenever I came in for basketball practice during basketball season,

at 6.30 in the morning, when we would come early, because probably the boys had to do the afternoon. You're walking through a room filled with homeless men. Would never happen now. Yeah.

Because parents, psychoparents would be like, "My daughter is not going to walk through. It's dangerous." This is a little bit of what everyone talks about. Like Jonathan Height.

Free range parenting. Yeah. They can handle it. Even in little basketball shorts. War was really a little creature.

Yeah. Okay. You majored in American history at Columbia. Yeah. But it was kind of by default.

It was like a concentration. Why that major? It was literally more counting. What was the easiest way I could just graduate? So no lawyer aspirations.

Because that's a huge undergrad. No. I think by junior year, junior year, I auditioned for this acting teacher called Udaho again. And once I got into her class,

“I think I felt slightly better about the”

quality of it because I was with Udaho again. Yeah. Very serious. So it was almost as good as going to conservatory. Definitely.

Yeah. You found the heart of teachers. Yeah. If you're making a taste to your parents, this isn't frivolous and vapid.

Look, I'm with this legend. Yes. But that was followed by me doing a lot of commercials.

That's a great idea. Yeah. That was run for the candy.

“I was always told when I was auditioned for commercials.”

I did a billion of commercials. Is that true? Yeah. I had a whole run of. He might be the most successful commercial actress ever met.

She would often have four or five nationals running at the same time. Did your text let you do it when you were little? No. No.

When I was little, this is when I was out here. Were they like, you're going to do what? Yeah. They were. Did you do it in college?

I did. I was in theater in high school.

And I was like, OK, so here's what I'm going to do.

I'm going to go to college. I'm going to major in theater. And they were like, no, you are not doing that. And I was like, I am. And they had to send no to it.

I mean, they're kind of like doing whatever. I was a cheerleader. I was doing all these things. They were like, whoa. Who she or who does she think she is?

Posture of friends in a room. Yeah. Exactly. And you mean you're the Matt Damon love. But there's wasn't about it being vapid or frivolous.

There's was about safety. How are you going to live? Well, that too. And they were so heavy about the commercials. Sure.

It was like, hey, well, homing. Yeah. You know, my parents weren't excited about that. It seemed a little brown. It was never said.

There's a way to say things though. They're without saying that. I don't entirely fault them. Yeah. Interesting.

They just watched Jack and Joe.

They wouldn't watch. It didn't feel to me like it was a stance. It was just, I'm telling you a genuine lack of fucking interest. That's not. Can you blame?

Yes, I can. You know, we terrible fucking place I go to. My daughter is in every play. They're nearly unwatchable. But she's not even 13.

I'm delighted to be there. And if she were on Jack and Jill, I would fucking add it to my DVR. Yeah. And I would. A chapter so I'd have a list of things I thought she had done well.

You'd be so excited to watch John Jack and Jill. Fucking, hey, how'd make a big deal of it? You deserve it. And excited to see how those commercials should have appeared again and

“really honestly say that you would feel that way.”

I'm not saying it's bad. It's just if you don't like a romantic comedy. And then your daughter's on it, you watch it. They don't have to like the show. Yeah, no one's asking them to like the show.

But they don't have to. But it would be nice if they were excited to see their daughter on. To do the thing she said out to do. That's right. Oh, Amanda.

I don't mean like that.

Oh, I really want peace with that.

That you should be happy about it. Well, no, you should be a piece. We want her. No, I want you to be struggling with this. No, all this psychoanalysis.

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“I'm on the right side of the spectrum from her.”

That's so interesting. You guys come from the same people and the same everything. One time they sent one of those. This was when I was the most famous that I was, which is maybe the early home.

More like maybe something's got to give. Like around that time. Okay, let's rewatch it. They sent one of those. You know where you go through the airport quickly because I was going to miss the flight.

My sister literally was red. Yes. Sweating. I was, are you having a stroke? Yes.

And it was just, she can't stand to cut a line. Yeah. Be given a preferential treatment. Is her favorite place of vacation Sweden? She wants to move to Denmark.

There you go. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She'll be like there are just not enough people of color there. Yeah. Oh, she sounds great.

Yeah. She's amazing. Yeah. I have to say. Okay.

Something's got to give. I thought this was funny. You showed your children this movie. This is great.

“I love this story because this is what we go through.”

Pretty often at the house, which is there's all these movies. We love. We watch them. I do have to acknowledge. Even Ocean's 11, just watched it with my 12 year old.

She absolutely loved it. And I said, wow, I see it. There's no women in this movie. And she said it for like four scenes. And all the movies we have shown in Beverly Hills cop.

There's not a woman in it. You know, it's that water you're swimming in thing. Well, have you done? You're not there yet. But 16 candles.

Haven't shown but what? There's a rape. She's over his back. Yeah. With her underwear.

And he's like, have fun. Yeah. She's passed out. Oh, yep. Yep.

I think we're Avenger the Nerds, too. There's some rape. God. I think they drug a girl. It really illuminates how much we didn't notice that you're showing your kids.

You're wearing a member of those seeds. And then they come up upon you and you're like, oh, we have some stuff to talk about. Yeah. And that's only part. So it's weird.

Because it's a cost benefit thing. Because I'm still like there is something beautiful and charming about this movie. But now I have to fucking go into this whole thing about race and girls and women. Your age gap. The movie starts with the UN Nicholson.

And your daughter is like, fuck. There's, right? Is that the story? They were like, this is disgusting. Really?

I was like, this is my best movie. [laughter] That was from here. Sorry. You're morally objective.

Wow. And that's one with Diane Keaton as the star. I don't know who that is. That doesn't mean anything to them.

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Younger women sometimes like older men. It's not an across the board situation. Of course.

“I think we've gone so far that we're pretending, anytime, two people of a different age get”

together that there's something intrinsically creditorial about it. I'm not there yet. On top of that, I would say the movie itself is commenting on this.

And with whom he can have a more rich dialogue.

“So yeah, on top of that, I think it just depends on the piece.”

I actually think it's weirdly somehow anti-feminist to just conclude every time you look at someone with an age gap, that that person has no autonomy. Well, we're in a phase right now where people just are ready to bounce. Yes. And they don't want to take in contact.

New one. I'm so overwhelmed. So annoyed. I mean, look at Paulson. Yes.

Oh, I'm thinking of her. I'm like, we're not saying that about Paulson. She's with a much older partner. Over my fucking dead body. Exactly.

And then I love it in your movie, fantasy life. I enjoyed the shit out of the fact that you have a younger manny that you're having a emotional affair with and you're being appreciated in your field desire. We made this before Baby Girl. I know it's not the same, but yeah, I was really excited about the idea.

I was like, why didn't I think of that? Like a mom who falls for the manny, kind of, it's a great idea. Yeah. Stay tuned for more armchair experts. If you dare.

He's named Matthew here. Tell me a little bit about him because he wrote and directed it. And first of all, I loved it. I haven't seen like kind of a small contain really intimate, lovely movie in a while. And I loved it.

I had not surprised you guys won the jury prize at South by or that you won an acting award. You're great. And it's a great little movie. But where does he come from? He's a New Yorker.

I just got the script cold. And I read the scene in which he is with his. Like I addressed everything we've talked about is perfectly in a corner. I was like imagine I was like, I'm in as a Jewish New Yorker.

“I was just like, has he been stalking me this morning?”

He wrote it so weird. I mean, he didn't, but it's weird. And I like the way he talks about mental illness, because I like the idea that when we see mental illness and movies,

it's always so acute, hardcore people lining up.

And he's a very talented person. And I liked this idea that he was sort of like these are high functioning people who have mental illness. And they're getting on with it. You guys are both leads, but he's our lead. He has OCD.

He has an interesting version of OCD. And luckily we had OCD expert on so as he was saying, and I was like, oh, yeah, this is OCD. He's Jewish, but he has super anti-Semitic thoughts when he sees other Jewish people. That is OCD. Yeah, that's also very great.

Hooked notes, Hooked notes. Yes, that's what he said. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then his therapist is repeating it. Yeah.

A great actor. Judd Hirsch, but he's so frank about it. You get that sense like, oh, he's been around. Or it's like, in truth of thought. So that's what they are.

But I'm always looking for a little sign that the movie's going to go for it.

Movies play it safe so much. And then like, that scene comes early on. I'm like, awesome. They're going to go for it. He was laughing the other day.

We were at one of our screenings. And he was like, this is where we either lose half the audience.

“Or I think he will have like a Jewish film festival in particular.”

So he was saying, like, this is where we either lose the juice. Or they're my kind of juice. Tell us about your character. I play a mom in New York city who is a husband actress. And then he was just trying to get back into the game.

And he's also having some depression and anxiety. And the manny, it turns out is having some similar issues. So we have a connection. And your marriage isn't in the greatest spot. It appears you're both having a kind of mid-lifey crisis.

Yes. He's been played by the beautiful Alessandro Naval who I also dated. Oh, very handsome. We're dead. Yes.

Dangerous. Dangerous. Totally dangerous. A liability. Some people might say, oh, I really.

I ran right to my analytics. Another interesting thing. And I talked too long with you about other stuff. But I asked about your parents being wealthy. Because you're playing a woman who, yes, you're struggling to act.

But your father is crazy rich from an investment fund. And so you're loaded. You don't really have the problems. And in fact, your privilege is one of the things you're kind of coming to terms with. And you feel like you're not entitled really to have any issues.

Because you have it kind of made from the outside. And weirdly, I think a lot of people might feel that way. As much as they would be afraid to admit that. Because they're afraid you're asking for compassion when people would kill to have what you have. But people that have everything still are miserable.

Yep. What's wealth to you? Like it's fascinating to me because I grew up broke. And then I ran into you and Martha's Vineyard. And I was renting a very nice house.

I was so judgmental. I hated all rich people. Just they were the fucking enemy. Like that was the man, right? And then I'm around a lot of people.

And I'm like, I'm with the people I said I hated. And I like them. That's confusing. I also said my moments of judgment. We were at the four seasons in Mexico.

And I'm looking around and I said to my wife. I'm like, just the facts are, this pool isn't nearly as fun as the best Western. Like the people here, they got here. And we're just supposed to get here and then we got here. And I'm like, well, well, what now?

I'm still a little digital of that.

“But I'm just wondering, like, what's your experience with it?”

Because you're playing both in friends and neighbors. You're playing with the topic of wealth. And maybe the dissatisfaction that comes with it. And then this movie also has that as a theme. It's so weird because I went through my head when you were talking.

First of all, yes, I feel like I have a very complicated relationship.

And I grew up in a household where my father was a corporate lawyer. So really nice situation. And you probably went to school of people that had crazy money. Either was a very diverse school. So I was, if anything, maybe just because of the group that I was in the two girls

with whom I was the most, some Pateco, both parents were artists. There were a lot of like downtown. Yes. That seems like that would draw the Quaker. Yeah.

I was kind of like the uncool rich kid with the ski tan after effects. Yeah. And after February break. And it was just terribly uncool because my best friend was going to like an opening with Andy Warhol and Baskiatte.

Wow. And I was like, at home eating Pateco from cookies. Like, on my career feels 11. The group that I was in, it was kind of uncool to be like me. Yeah.

Yeah. But partly because it was just lacking in anything artistic, anything anti-establishment. Yeah. People at Mama's Social Worker like she became more and more that way as we grew up. But there was just absolutely nothing punk about us.

Yeah. And about my parents. Any of yourself conscious about that? Yes. Yeah.

In front of my cohorts. I did the undoing project. Michael Lewis's book. You've had Michael Lewis. Yes.

I did the undoing project about First Skian Conneman because I was scared of flying.

I don't know that process. The undoing project is just about their relationship. But I didn't read thinking fast and slow because it was above my pay grade. But I feel like the Michael Lewis book is easier. But I've been reading about Conneman lately because he went to pass away in Switzerland

assisted living. It was really fascinating that he chose to die. Yeah. I didn't even know that was his end. Yes.

My mother's death and everything. I've just been thinking a lot about the end of life. And anyway, learning about Conneman. I'm really fascinated by this idea of happiness that he had where he talks a lot about the spiritual self or the narrative self.

Yeah.

“Is the best concept I think I've ever heard in my life?”

I think about nonstop. That's what went through my head because so many people talk about how wealth once you get past whatever it is. What is it? That number changes.

We always check it on it and it doesn't rise.

I have to say. I think a plateau is at like 500 grand and then diminishes at like 3 million a year. It also like has to be said to depend it. For sure. Make your life better.

It does objectively until like 500 grand and then it applies to us for a very long time. And then it's just diminished when you have great wealth. But you're right that there's virtue signaling. If you don't take the car, you prefer to be in. It's kind of the flip side of the same douxiness because you're still doing it in order to portray something to your daughter otherwise.

Which doesn't really make for happiness. And of course I am my story about myself. I don't have a Bentley. I don't have something that it's value is that it's expensive. I have performance shit.

That is crazy expensive. No question about it. But I have it because what it does. I don't have it for what it raises my status. I know what you're thinking about.

That's amazing. I don't know what's coming. Well, we are full of contradictions, aren't we? Exactly. Yeah, yeah.

It's incumbent upon me to not judge the dude in the Bentley is what it is. Yes. But you wouldn't have said that. Well for me. I do too, sorry.

You keep going. No, you're the guest. So if someone drives up next to you and a big aspect Lee. Mm-hmm. You have a pain.

What are your feelings? This becomes my argument towards handbags, right? Which is there's a reason for GT costs what it costs. Okay. It is a carbon fiber.

The whole car is one piece. The engines are one off.

“You know the people who the artisans who create an air mess bag?”

No, you don't. I brought this up. If you add up the cost of the leather, and you add up the cost of the thread,

I mean, I think we'd all agree on that.

It is built on a scarcity model. I'm not against it. Whatever. Birkin bag great.

“I just don't think you can make the argument that the materials are what cause it to be that price.”

You could argue that the artistry is what you're paying for fine. There are cars that they're slower. They stop worse. They're less comfortable. They break more.

And they're the most expensive. And to me, the single thing that they offer is that people know you have a very expensive car. And then there are cars that I'm super attracted to, which is like, they're the fastest. They handle the best. So there's substantive, in my opinion, for me.

But it's really interesting that you're valuing that over. I mean, this gets into a whole thing with my sister. This is me fun. About what is the value of aesthetics? What is the value of a beautiful bookshelf?

Whatever else it is. You're totally right. It all circles back to the thing we were talking about how it makes you feel. Yes, you're like, it's structured well. But it's how that makes you feel.

Like you know about the structure. It's something for your identity. I'm a person who knows about cars. I know that this is a good car to drive because of. This is a car.

This is a car. This is a car. This is a car. This is a car.

“So it's all about what we want to believe about ourselves.”

How makes this feel? And how would we present? Yeah. But I do look at certain cars in their online green. And I'm like, this is just an attention seek art. That's why it costs so much.

It's a way to get attention, which is great. I'd prefer to not get attention in my cars. I just love how fast they are. I'm not better than anyone. And you guys are making a really solid point.

Just fun that it came all the way back around. It is great. It's wonderful. If we just go back to the labor thing. This is sometimes something that just goes through my mind.

I know I'm probably one of them from time to time. But like I have noticed that a lot of actors will, for example, just to throw it out there if a contractor is like upcharging. They're like, that's fucking outrageous. Because they know who I am.

And this and that means everything. And it's like, you make hundreds of thousands of dollars an episode for your fucking show. And a fucking pediatric oncologist makes what you make in one week. In a year, maybe a pediatric oncologist.

I know. Who's being abused? This is very fair. But we did have an expert on. We have a bias like our confirmation.

One of the biases we all kind of carry is this bias about being a fool. And then we're going to take an advantage of. I don't even know those people.

“They think they're triggered about the price, right?”

But what they really are feeling is like someone's trying to take advantage of me. And I am a pat sea in an idiot for being taken advantage of. And they're not going like, okay, well, I'm overpaid. I can acknowledge that. So maybe I should overpay everyone.

My best seems reasonable. I got overpaid and how about I overpay everyone. So I kind of have that mentality. But then I have a line. I got a bid for Christmas lights.

When I was like, well, this guy is basically seeing yours.

So fucking dumb. And I got that triggered in myself. And I'm like, not a chance if I add up the amount of hours. You're saying the hourly rate to hang these is $1,000. And then I get angry because I think you think I'm stupid.

And yeah, it's all my shit. That is like, okay, so if he is the best Christmas lights guy. And everyone in town is like, oh, my God, he's the best. He can do something somebody else can't do. Or he's carrying this, he wants to get this thing for his home.

And so his upcharges this coupled with what you just said. Well, just I think you can get away with doing that. That's what it is. It's like, you're paying for my name. You're paying for a billion things.

You know, my ability to go promote it. Yeah, much more. There are metrics. There is a marketplace force that is now. A lot of people are sliding through.

Oh, to agree. But they're not blindly gone. Yeah, that person deserves a million an episode. There's some calculus. But I just think the Christmas lights guy can overcharge if he has breathing.

And no one else can do what he can do for that price. He'll get it. That's true. Yeah. I brought in Aaron. He did a pretty good job.

We'll never know how good the other job.

But, okay, now back to the movie. We have too much fun. We can agree, though, that pediatric oncologists should make more of that. I mean, they need to be making the most amount of money of anyone. I think school teachers and nurses.

And of caregivers. Yes. Okay, I already know you're a good actor. I already know that. But I will say there was a scene in this where you're an actor

and you have to go on tape. And it's not the greatest sides, right? The scene's not ideal. It's not probably what your character wants to be auditioning for. That's so weird.

I don't know what that's like.

And you're so good. I was like, I mean, it's so good. She's reading this kind of terrible scene and she's so believable and good in it. And it's so weird to act with in a movie when you're acting. It's really weird.

“How do you decide, like, what level I'm going to give it?”

I've just decided lately. If I'm not.

As Paulson and I always talk about.

If I don't have an accent, a hunchback and a snaggle tooth. Then I think it's really the most delicious to be like, okay, man, Pete, how real can you make this? How much can you trick David and Sarah Paulson in? They can't see the difference between you doing this and you.

And sometimes I forget and I have a terrible take, obviously. Are those the two people in your mind that you're? I do it a lot. I think of Paulson sometimes because it helps me. Challenge myself because she's such a bitch.

We're both such bitches about acting. - Yeah, we're like, we're like, - We're like, we're like, - Big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big big

- Yeah, they speak, like, we're just assholes. - Yeah, I'm like, yeah, I can see it, I can see the acting, I can see the acting, I can see the acting, yeah. - I can feel the watch, something with you too.

- The worst, so if I'm getting in a rut or if I catch myself trying to like, orchestrate something or like, this is a moment where I feel like I should cry, a single tear, I try to like, not do that.

- Yeah, yeah.

- And I try to always remember the past everything,

like, why this time, this is the only time, why is this scene different from any other scene. And this is the only time it's happening. This kind of fun with acting just started. - Yeah.

- I'm trying to tell my kids, like, you've got time. I'm so lucky that I still get a shot and math you share, just the fact that I came across that writing at this age. - That's awesome.

- Yeah. Okay, so you have a scene. I don't think this gives away too much of the plot, but you're at a chilling ice creamery and a young woman comes up to you

and asks for your autograph in your pumped, 'cause your kids are there. And then she says, "Yeah, bless this mess "is my nighttime shot." And I felt so sim.

- That is sim. - You know, I was on that show? - Of course I know.

- I don't know if you know that.

I don't know the scene that show. - Of course I know. - But I was like, oh, I got this weird meta feeling. I'm like, oh my god, they're talking in our movie. I'm so crazy.

- That's so crazy. - That's so crazy. - That's sim. (laughing) - That's flattering. That means like a lot of people.

- Well, it's all about Lake, which is fair. - 'Cause they picked that show, which means they think that so many people have seen it, that's that is clear. - Thank you.

- Thank you. That was a really, really cool week. - Pumping you up. - Sometimes she'll hype me on me and I really appreciate it.

- When it's like you, you know that it is. - Blazing? - Oh, I like that. - Glowy, blazing sounds. - That sounds right.

- My kids are gonna be like, oh my god. (laughing) - Okay, so it's a known thing. - Yes, and not only that, but in the scene, it was somebody else.

And I was like, let's just do Lakefell. - Because it's happened to me. I cannot fucking tell you how to do it. - I tell you, it's very good. - And not only that, but there was one time

during this nine month break-up where David and I weren't speaking. I'm the jealous type. - I like that you can admit that. - Oh yeah, it was a mutual breakup,

but I wanted up a baby survivor, it was 31. So I was really looking down the barrel of, you know, it was rough. I find out through the grapevine that he's dating her. (laughing)

“- Wait, really quick, had you already been doppelgangers?”

- Excuse me. - Okay. - I go to a restaurant with a bunch of girlfriends. It's a crowded bar. I don't remember where it was, but it was on Venice Boulevard.

And it was a big bar, and they were like trying to take me out to be like, let's go, yeah. - Yeah. - And from across the bar, this dude just goes, "Lake!"

- Oh, oh. - "Lake!" (laughing) And I was like, "Who's actually can't be helping me?" - Oh, no.

- It was literally within 24 hours. - Oh my God. - That's him. - And then he started walking towards me. And I was like, I, I, I, I, I, I, and anyway,

it was the dude who was, I can't remember, he was an actor. And then he came close to him, closer, and I was like, "I'm, I'm not Lake." I would be so much money to see how I set it. - Yeah.

- To your delivery. - Yeah. - Oh, that's so. - And then I can't even tell you how many millions of times

“after approached an airport, can I have your autograph?”

I love you Lake. - So this was your suggestion I'm presuming. - Yeah, that's great. - I think our deepest fear right is that we're replaceable, we're not indispensable, we're not unique.

So if you see someone go out and get the other confusion, that version is like, oh, I'm highly replaced. - Yeah, exactly. Or it's like, well, then it's not my face, then what is it? - Also, by the way, with the most gorgeous body ever,

- Yeah.

“- Like, the line in one hand, that's how you,”

like your basic nightmare. (laughing) - She is beautiful. - She is beautiful, she is. - Beautiful, I mean, I talk to feel bad for someone

that gets mistaken for her. I'm so sorry. - I know. - You should feel bad for me. I mean, it's happened on the red carpet.

- Oh, wow, that's annoying. - I need to ask her how frequently she's getting you. I'm now quite curious.

- Yeah, I bet you it never happens to her.

- No, I'm sure I bet you it never happens. There's no way, it would be weird. That would be weird. - This is very time sensitive. Do you get mistaken for a man to pee

and if so, how frequently? - Thank you. (laughing) - All right, yeah. - Voice memo, voice memo.

Let's see if someone comes across the transcendence. - So, Marc Jacobs show, I think really not that long ago. Maybe not post-COVID, but step out of the car. Already insecure, like you had a fashion show. - Yeah, yeah.

- But it's not a great place to be. - It's not a great decision in the world and it was just a chorus. - This time a chorus, 'cause once one person does it. - Yeah.

- Again, I would pay so much money. I saw the pictures, but so much money to just have a close up of my face kind of going, (laughing) - Yeah, 'cause what do you suppose to see?

- What do I do? - Yeah. - The person I know doing it now, my God. - And then recently I was with my daughter also on Abakini at a store.

I forgot what it's called and a woman came up to me with all Google I really excited. And it was like, are you late, fellow? - Have you ever just gone with it? 'Cause I have gone with it.

I take the picture and then I've already done the picture and they go, I just don't have pictures. - Well, and then I just love Garcia. And I'm like, great, I just keep it moving. You know what I'm saying?

Like somebody asked me for a picture. I posed for the picture. And then I learned, oh, they thought they were taking a picture of Zach Brown. And I don't correct them, I'm just like, oh yeah, have a good one.

- Maybe it's because I'm disturbed by the original jealousy.

So when it happens, you're basically saying to David,

I'm not like Bow when you're talking. (laughing) - Two weirds. - You're like, yes, I don't know her. - I wish you.

- Yes, what I hate Peruvians, let it be known. Like, what have you just started tracking? (laughing)

“You should know before you go, I hate Peruvians.”

I try to pick the most innocuous group. (laughing) They feel safe, right? You can say that about Peruvian. - Nobody's safe, nobody's safe.

- It's true. - Okay, so I love the movie. You're a fantastic in it. I was delighted to hear that thing selfishly. But it's just great.

When does it come out? - So it comes out March 27th. - It's my daughter's birthday. - It's like an out-house birthday. - Oh, I'm sure.

- Yeah, yep, yep, that's the 13th birthday. - What sign is she? - It's Joe, I'm kidding, yeah. (laughing) - Monica, Monica. - Monica, Monica. - She's a March, so she should be Pisces.

- I bet she's here. - She's here. - And of March, 'cause my daughter's February 20th, and she's Pisces. So then, no, because my friend's Pisces, but she's a March 14th.

- See? - What if I'm just lying? So I'm like, guys, I'm not even into it. I'm not even a don't even know. - Eries.

- Okay, now, friends and neighbors, comes back April. - Oh, you're right, April 4th or 3rd. - Sex, I think, maybe, I wrote it down. - Oh, I just love that.

- April, April, April. - That one got me. - I really liked it a lot. - All the rich people? - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

- It was really fun. - I'm so glad. - Yeah, yeah, we're in such an interesting time. There's so many shows about rich people, but there shows about rich people

used to be like Dallas and stuff, where it was kind of fun. It was a happy moment. - Happy moment. - And now it's all about how miserable rich people are. - I guess it's probably so much true,

but yes, season two comes out, which means you already filmed it, I'd imagine. - Yeah, we filmed season two.

- Already picked up for a third season.

- Already picked up. - Already picked up. - Rare that one has security of this nature. - Yeah, that's great. - This is nice.

- Yes, it's really weird. - And you just hinted at it, and I'm experiencing a tiny bit of it myself, but it sounds like you've found a new gear for acting. - Yeah, I just feel like I'm just better at it than I used to be.

“- I believe that, you're fucking great in that movie,”

but do you think there's also something I'm just projecting? We kind of talked about this the first time too, by the way, but I used to have so many goals. So it's like when I did a scene, I wanted to seem to be great,

and I wanted to seem to be great, so that people would think I was great and give me more work. I couldn't live in the experience of it, because I was trying to get somewhere the whole time, and I'm wondering if that sounds familiar.

- Yeah, not to get too heavy, but both my parents passed this past year, and it really rocks you, and even just reading about canon lately and happiness, you know, his idea of that is really profound.

What do you want to be doing for the next hour? - Even if you're not shooting, how do you want to relate to people here? What do you curious about here? When I was 27, I wasn't like,

and I haven't talked to this person or that person, like, you know, you're really interesting, what did you get here? - Yeah, I get it.

“- This lack of curiosity, I think, when you're younger.”

- You go centrism, and you can't avoid it. - Yeah, you can't do this. - Try it. (laughing) - Or it could be me as I don't know if I... - Just not having like the Grinch,

the heart three sizes too small. Your curiosity hasn't developed. - Yeah, it hasn't developed. There's no room to take in what the possibilities are today, and so that's also hugely rewarding,

and you start realizing how critical that is,

how part of what we do is a group thing. - It's a team sport. - It is, yeah. - That's been really important to me lately, just the kind of bigger picture of it. Even on the plane, going there, I go back and forth

'cause of the kids. - Yeah, where do you live primarily? - In LA. - You feel so East Coast to me, and I only bump into you on East Coast. It friends and neighborhoods on the East Coast?

- Yeah, we shoot in New York and outside of New York, so Jonathan Tropper, very sweetly, the writer, Peter. I was like, I'm gonna be a pain in the ass until schools out, so do you still want me, and he was like, sure.

(laughing) I don't know if you, yeah, that's like that. - I don't know how you feel about that. - I'm sure now, but. (laughing)

- But yeah, it's time like constantly on the plane

in the beginning, and then the kids go,

when everybody goes East, when we start shooting. - Yeah, it sounds pretty corny, but I do feel that a lot more in my old dish. - It's so weird, too 'cause you think of youth as being the time when you're the most curious.

- Yeah, you're discovering. - But it's all about you. It's very internal youth. - Yeah, and the goals are probably more common, narrative, or remembering self versus experience.

- Experience, yeah, yeah. - Which I worry about so much with our children, because they're constantly at a concert, or at a sunset, or at the beach, or reading a book, or making a meal,

and photographing it, at the moment, that it's happening, they're jumping out. - Yeah, yep, yep, yep. - I know. - I have what, I don't know.

- I don't think it's good.

- I don't want to say I'm fully excited,

'cause our kids are not on any social media, so I guess I am-- - Have you made a difference in that way? - Yeah, not 'til they're, I'm not even sure what the day would be,

but we're years away from that. - That's great. - No, I would think 16 would be the earliest. - But ninth for a phone, and then 16 for, I'm like, "Tell me what to do."

(laughing) - I have a weird, like, AA thing, which is acceptances that cure to all my problems,

“which is like, I accept that that's how this generation is.”

I just accept it, I'm not going to change the tide of this. This is what childhood is in this given day. I don't have the power to change it. - But you do, you have-- - I have my limited power is to prevent them from having

at 'til 16 or however they get crafty enough that they get it and I don't know. But currently they can't get an app, and one only has a computer, and one has an iPad without cell service.

That's like the controls I can do, but you can turn 18 and leave, and then we'll check it on Instagram and see it all day long. I don't know, but I accept that it's gonna be a different childhood that I have, and it's gonna have an outcome

that I don't know, but I have no illusion that I can change that. - Why are you so sane? - I'm not in so many categories, just this one I got.

- Kind of annoying. - It is from A, that is why. - I also worry about parenting in Brentwood with that certain brand of exceptionalism, fucking my kids, the exception, my kids.

- Yeah, I think it's fair to understand the context your kids are living in and try to course correct?

“Yeah, with the privilege, I think it's good”

to try to instill generosity. That's all you can do is sort of set an example. Sometimes though I think it's happening in an unconscious way, I'll just tell this story really quickly, again, it's my sister.

Molly a few years ago, who's my middle one, and she's the one who's least likely I would say to fib, she's straight shooter, heart of gold, fairly easy to read. Terrible stomach ache in the evening,

and then woke me up at two in the morning, I gave her two-add villain a hot bath and she was still like it's hurting, it's hurting. So because she's not a drama queen, I took her to children's hospital.

We sat for two hours, it was fucking two in the morning, they triaged her and they were probably constipation. We drive home, she goes to bed. The next day, she wakes up for school and she's like it still hurts.

And I'm like, okay, stay home from school. Out around noon, she was like it really hurt, she was crying. We go to the pediatrician, he's like, go to children's again and this time don't leave.

He thought it was a band decided, so we get to children's hospital at 5 p.m. on a Friday night. Good luck. It was wall to wall with families, babies, kids.

in between crying for like 10 hours or something, or whatever, I'm so bad at math. And my friend who was a resident, she thought maybe she was a resident with some of the doctors who were on call.

So she was like, let me call for you and see if I can get you in. Now that it's midnight, you've been there since five. It's a lot and she was an excruciating pain. And so she called me back and said, I'm so sorry,

she's an acuity five, which is like, she's way down the line. Oh my God. I was about to lose my shit.

“And I think it was like two in the morning.”

We finally got called in.

The doctor on call came in. They did the ultrasound. They were like, you're about to burst. Your band, this is about to burst. You will go for emergency surgery

as soon as the surgeon is in. You'll be first up seven a.m. whatever. So I call my sister a few days later, I was talking to them about the surgery and stuff 'cause I always do that.

But I was going on a tie-read about how outrageous it was and how it was such a close call. And she was just silent. And I was like, what's up? What do you want to say?

Yeah. And she's like, there are polychids in there who had leukemia and dependest status. Everything was triaged exactly right. I was supposed to be, she made it.

They got it before it burst. And they did everything right. And I was like, yeah. (laughing)

L.A. parents like Westside Parent.

There is a lot of superfifth example where I was like, get my child in. Yeah, yeah.

“Get my child passed these other children.”

Yeah, I think that's insanely natural. I think that's any parent is like, how do I get my kid to the front of the line? Of course, not my sister. Well, she's an anomaly.

Although she has friends. So she could, she knows she could pull that. (laughing) Yeah. No, she's dead right about what she said to you.

But does she have children? Yes. Okay, great. So I also think the notion that any parent is not going to desire that is insane.

I also think that's living in a fake reality. I've heard different experts talk about this. There's a reason that our ring of empathy extends so far.

We have evolved to, of course, prioritize our genes.

That's how we got here. We didn't get here because our parents prioritized other kids over their own kids. You want it live right now. You can't come from that background.

You come from a background, all of us, of people who prioritize their kids over everybody else's. That's why you're here. So there is a certain evolutionary reality

which we're living in. And I don't think you deserve judgment for that. I think if you called and complained, you'd be an asshole. Right. But I don't think you're morally

repugnant because you had that instinct. Well, I think what shocked me was how certain I was that something had gone terribly wrong. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And how jolted I was out of that conviction

and how much I hadn't considered was that shit. I think you realize something logically, but I don't know that we have to go so far as feeling guilty about that instinct. We'd be denying the reality of what we are as a species

to pretend that that shouldn't be or wouldn't be the instinct of anyone with an offspring. It's such a longer conversation, but I do think this bleeds into some of the other stuff we're talking about.

Oh, yeah. You're navigating that line at all times, right? Yeah, even having nothing to do with our children. I participated in this thing who was it that we just had a--

And might have been like a Lewis. I was talking about the boxification of society. Skye boxification of society. Baseball parks didn't have Skye boxes. There were no lounges or VIP--

- Viewing areas. - Viewing areas. - Oh, yes, good job. And yeah, that's fucking problematic.

“That's why we have this issue with the leaders of them.”

And that's why we do have a very bifurcated society of haves and have nuts, and it's all very troubling. And it does deserve some attaining. Yeah, we're all in the water. Yeah.

[LAUGHTER] I just love when everyone gets to admit, like I asked, fucking dicey and lurking. Yeah, we're in it. Yeah, I like purses.

[LAUGHTER] So like, you're like, you're like, you're like, well, I got to say, I'm in, I don't think we've gone this long and at long time. And that's just fine. That's such a sign of how much we enjoyed this.

This was so fun. Did you like it? Yeah, I want to come back here. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It might've been a person, isn't it?

Yeah, it's so much better. And I want to be as fly on the wall for some of your people because they're so good. And when we have this chair, well, good. So let's trade because I came into this with an agenda.

I said, you're a market. I said it's my wife before I got here. I have a very sincere and deep, deep desire to hang out with you and Paulson. We were maybe as the Emmys and I had gotten a hot dog

and a bunch of treats and no one else was eating. And I'm like in the middle of eating, and I just hear nice. And I let go of her and Paulson's recording me, which, again,

There's a show going on.

“But somehow, she found me, a hot dog, a robot behind herself.”

She somehow distracted by me and a hot dog and filmed me.

And I just feel like I might be able to drop right into the lunacy of you guys. I'm requesting I would love to hang out with you. I want you to hang out with us. Oh, Santa Monica.

Oh, Santa Monica. No. I don't know what I've had a lot of offers lately. OK, yeah. That's why I'm saying interesting.

It's the Cal Salad for women right now. No, I've been playing for years and years and years and years and years and years. It's an example for her too. No, he is not.

You're dedicated to your playing often. Rachel, can you? In Allison and I used to play when I lived in the old, old, old apartment. I believe you. But you had a big idea.

I talked about it.

OK, so you should play with us.

I want you because I need to get in a flow state for more. I need more things. Yeah. OK, I have a few things that are my things and I need more. OK, well, let's add it to the list.

I just want to watch TV because Bella and I do a very specific thing. So would be great. You guys can cover the acting.

“Do you know about this thing we already told you about this?”

We play a game and we call it go to two. Like we're watching a scene sitting on the hill, Kevin Bacon show, great, great show for whatever reason. They're shooting the entire scene from high in above over their shoulders. And we're watching it.

Watching it and I go, Mike, can you go to two? Yeah, the director is how long before we have the ceiling back. Because he's feeling like he might want to shoot eventually up a little bit. This bird's eyes not working for him. And they're cruising us.

As you know, they broke the ceiling on the way back from lunch. So it is in construction right now. It's a door. It's a door. It will be on. Or so once that we're watching, also a guy, it was an extra clearly. He had to light a candle in the background.

And they did not give him a long enough match. And this poor extra has got his fingers in this thing. Clearly he's getting burnt, right? There's an important scene going on. But Chris and goes, go to two.

I thought we were going to have stunts like the candle of Gary. He's not stunts, right? He's background. We'd like to break down what's going wrong. I love it.

It's so fun.

“You guys would have fun joining in on that.”

Exactly. You're right, but it's a very acting focus. Yes, yes. We'll be like, go to shoe and my nails after lunch. Blens asking if she's going to continue to use the accent. Because it wasn't established in scene 203.

We've already shot that machine, though. I can't face so anything that I want to share with you. Well, this was a blast. Thank you, Joe, everybody watch Friends and Neighbors. And everyone watch fantasy life, March 27th, and then April returning for Friends and

Neighbors. I adore you. I adore you, guys. Study to whom for the five shots so you can hear all the facts that were wrong. Okay.

Okay. Where do we start? There's so much to say. There's a lot to start. You want to talk about the award show?

Yeah. Okay. Yes. This last Sunday. I guess two Sundays ago.

Yeah. Was the actor awards that Kristen hosted? And I was her host, writer, so I was there for all the fun stuff in a one great. I thought it went so well. I've known it's very happy with it.

And I mean, I don't really have that much to say about the awards other than like it is fun. It's a fun thing to do. And I want a person that was really cute. Well, I did get to, I was, we were right backstage for Kristen to do her good

nights when they were reading, when Michael B. Jordan came off stage after winning. Uh-huh. And that was really cool to like kind of see that backstage moment. I was very, I loved that he won. Yeah.

Then let's see whether any other snacks, snacks, I mean, oh, obviously no a whiley is what attitude you're going to do is here. Just the perfect man. Uh-huh. So sexy.

So hot. Uh-huh. Seems to have so much integrity. Kindness. Yes.

He's nice. Yeah. I want suspicious. How's this guy? How's this guy so good?

Yeah. For a fact where you don't trust it because it's so good, but he is. I believe it. I believe it. So we wrote a bit with Noah and Kristen, where, and then Kristen ended up having to

read some medical jargon, which was really a fun bit. And we told him like, if he has time, he just has like 30 seconds to come backstage

to like talk it through for a second.

And then he did. Where you standing next to? Yes. But I didn't get to do so as kind of like, I don't want to be like, hey, I'm, you know, I wrote this and then also like I have this podcast and then you were on the

So I'm in waiting, but in person, he's even hotter than hotter.

I can't. But I couldn't believe my little eye. They were deceiving. You felt deceived by that. And we know I don't have good eyes.

Good vision. True.

“But I was like, oh my god, I think they're like adding wrinkles to the pit.”

Like in person, he doesn't even have it. He is so attractive. Wow. I love him. The most.

It's probably why he's not coming on and anyway, so that was exciting stuff. Yeah, it can grab. That's really fun. Yeah. That was fun.

You were just all, all very happy and you were coming. I knew you were maybe going to, well, I was TBD, right? And I even had to tell Chris and I'm like, I'm going to try my hardest to go and bring the girls. Well, okay.

I want to go back a little bit. Okay. So that was Sunday. Friday or Thursday, we interviewed Ike. Baron holds Easter.

I'm sorry. That's coming up. Yeah. I'm also participated in a bit, which was very nice. And so we were talking about that and then you said, yeah, I, I'm going to go, I am

getting, I just realized I'm getting a colonoscopy on Monday. Yeah. And so Sunday is the day that I have to do all the prep.

Whoever's not going to have a colonoscopy or at least the version I always have.

You can't eat the day whole day before. So I have my last meal on Saturday at 830 at night. I need to have these details. Okay. Okay.

So I weighed myself on that night, Saturday night and I was 206.8 pounds. Yeah. Then Sunday, no eating. Yeah. You take this terrible drink.

And then in about a half hour to an hour, it starts. Yeah.

“And it is evacuations that I think only dysentery would be a comp to.”

Yeah. You're not like, most people are just like, no, you just don't leave the toilet. You're just like, hang out in the bathroom and then you just get back up on the toilet. And so you were like, so that's going to be interesting. And I was like, no, I was like, don't come.

Then you take it. I got to say the prescribed way to do it was just take it at 12 p.m. Okay.

And I would be leaving the house at 4 p.m.

So we could all come. Yeah. I also have a lot of things to do because I'm also going to go to the track. The day after the colonoscopy, so I got a Tuesday morning yesterday morning. So I was, um, I had a lot of little projects on the Sunday.

I was building this wheelchair for the back of my truck to load my motorcycle and get on my gear, the whole thing. It takes a few hours to get prep to go to the track. And I'm going back and forth to the can. And so we went and I didn't have any issues on the car ride.

That's probably the scariest part. We went to the show, luckily Kristen had a port of potty directly outside of her dressing room. Yeah. And, um, so that all went great. I only had to visit that one time.

I know, which I was, I was shocked.

“I, I, I, I was like, okay, this is how it went on this end, right?”

Okay. So we're seeing with I, you're like, I, I say, don't come in you were like, I have to. I have to come. Yeah. And I was like, oh, no.

And in my head, I was like, this is going to be a disaster. Like, he's just going to be pooping the whole time. And, okay. And then like, yeah, the bathroom situation and then so no one should be going into that bathroom.

So we're going to have to find another bathroom that's close by for everyone else. So you know, I'm doing this whole thing in my head. And then we get there and Kristen's like, uh, he attacks as a colonoscopy. So he might not come. And I was like, oh, he might not.

Okay. He might not come. He's decides. I'm doing a lot in my head. You know, okay.

He's decided like, yeah, you know what, maybe I shouldn't go. And then a couple are saying, they're coming. Oh, okay. They're coming. They're coming.

They're coming. They're coming. They're coming. They're coming. They're coming.

Yeah. All right. Okay. Clear the bathroom. Okay.

Um. And then you came, brought the kids. And then I was just shocked. Cause I was like, I want some point. I said, cause we were obviously in and out of the dressing room.

Yes. She was performing. So then at one point in came back, I said, how many times have you been in the bathroom? And you said, once. And I was like, oh, my God.

And I was like, he got that point. I was like, is your body like cause you've had so many, maybe it's used to, maybe it's like more used to it. I don't have an explanation. I just was like, if your wife's hosting the show, you got to be there and you

got to bring the kids to the next. That's that. You're like, that's what you do. Oh, pause. I did run into Ike of court when we were doing the bit.

It was a pretty tip bit.

So if I just spoiled that, whatever.

Anyway, so I was with Ike back stage. Oh, we were doing that. And he was like, so is Dax, like, you know, shooting his brain. So I was like, he's not here yet, but he is coming. And I told, and I was like, I'm nervous.

And he was like, yeah, no, yeah, you got it, then you changed the class, be throw money at the problem.

“And I was like, yeah, that's why, yeah, he's right.”

If you have the money, you have the funds. This is where you use it. But okay, well, last, it didn't actually matter. You did agree? The bigger issue for me was by the time I got there, I hadn't eaten for 22 hours.

Yeah. And I and the entire room was full of french fries. There was no corner of the room. I don't know how many people you guys thought were going to be eating french fries, but there were a couple hundred orders of yummy, smelling french fries and burgers everywhere.

And I was just like, oh my God, I'm so fucking hungry. Yeah. Okay, I get on that night, wake up the next morning and I weigh myself and I am 197. Yeah. So I've lost 9.8 pounds in 34 hours.

That is an enormous baby.

So then I take that, you have to take a second dose at 8 a.m.

Day of. Okay. For the remnants. Yeah. Remnant.

Remnant. And then I take Delta to school. Oh, God. You are on the motorcycle. You know, okay.

And that works out. I get home. It hits kind of right after I get home. So I'm like, okay, we dodged that. Now, okay, now here's the series of unfortunate events that I'm starving.

Yeah. I'm going to the bathroom every 10 minutes. My butt now is hurting. Yeah. It's not like I hate it.

Right. I'm painting it. But I've also ordered a actual professional plumbers snake for my shower. My bathroom. I had been using a coat hanger as you know, I got call it going fishing.

Right. And I've gotten a big thing out, but I'm still noticing there's some backup. Okay. So I ordered a 25-foot snake and I've got an hour to kill before I've got to get an Uber to go to the colonoscopy and I'm in all my clothes and I take the drink cover off

and I'm putting the snake in there and I get to something and I'm spinning, spinning, spinning. And then this really weird thing that scared me.

“I can tell you later what I think would happen.”

But all I can tell you some spinning, spinning, spinning and then all of a sudden it pulled my arm down and I was like, oh my god, there's some, there's an animal in there. Yes. That is on the other end. Yeah.

So I jerked this snake out and my, uh, I, there was a huge fucking hairball at the end. And then like a quarter gallon of that black inky fucking sludge that completely exploded all over my face. My hair, my white shirt, I was wearing my shorts behind the shower door open, the walls, my white walls in the fucking bathroom, the floor, the entire shower is covered in black

ink. And I'm covered head to toe and I'm like, oh my, I want to die. What is all over my face? This is weird. This is kind of a tempting ding, ding, to an armchair anonymous.

We had just heard. Which one? Remember, the sink in the poop and the sewer in a kitchen, like when he was flushing it out on the other hand. Yeah.

Yeah. Yes. So I'm covered in this disgusting black inky liquid, that it's so hard to get off. Oh, no.

“And I'm like, I'm so fucking covered that I think what, what's my move?”

Yeah. Like, in the shower. Okay. I turn it on.

I clean my clothes first.

Oh, okay. You didn't want to get rid of those. Well, I didn't want to put those directly in the washing machine, because I was like, this is disgusting. Okay.

So I'm washing my clothes while I'm wearing them. I clean the entire shower, then I clean the entire floor of the bathroom, all the walls of the bathroom. Yeah. We are now.

I'm late to go to my colonoscopy and I can't miss the colonoscopy because if I have to do the prep again and not eat right, so I jump in an Uber, I'm so frazzled at this point. Yeah. I mean, I also during that whole clean up, I'm also having to go sit on the toilet occasionally. I like, I want to give up on life right now.

Then I get in the Uber and I drive and I'm like, okay, I pull up and I'm like, great. I'm only one minute late. I jump in the elevator. I run up. I walk in the office.

I immediately feel like when I walk in the office, this can't be right. I walk up to the thing to check, hi, I'm checking in for my colonoscopy and she goes with what's your doctor and I see the name and she goes, oh yeah, he doesn't do them here. This is the office and I'm like, okay, I got to get there, where does he do it?

She gives me an address on Wilshire.

on the curb, Uber pulls up, I text the doctor directly, hey, I went to your office.

He goes, okay, we're not there, we're on Spalding. I go, Spalding, you're all this just told me, Wilshire, I'm now in the Uber going to the wrong address. Oh my God. I'm already late and I'm like, dude, they told me this address, he's like, no, it's this.

So now I got to sweet talk the Uber. Can you take me to this address, thank God he did. And thank God you're pooping in his Uber. Yeah, yeah. So by the time I got there, I was like, what a last hour and a half I have.

Got on top of all the other stuff. You were ready for that and a season out. I was and I got to make a big correction. Okay. So I've set on here in the past and this is what they used to do in the past.

They used to give you a verset to relax you and then they'd give you a proposal. They don't do verset anymore. Yeah, I don't think I've had that. And I asked about it. I said didn't you used to give verset and they go, yeah, but it can cause amnesia and you

can have like, you can, we don't use it anymore. Yeah.

“Man, the only thing that was getting me through all that I was like, well, I'm going”

to have verset for in a minute. That'll be worth it. Yeah. No verset. You can't even feel profal.

It's like you're sitting there and then you wake up. Yeah.

That's I always always just used when you've been talking.

I'm glad you said this. Yeah. What is this thing he means? Yeah. I just, you're like, you're there and then you're not there anymore.

Right. So good news. My colonoscopy was great. There was nothing. Yes, and I had the endoscopy andoscopy and everything like gold in there.

Great. So, who? And he even said, you know, next time we could wait five to seven years. That's good. And I said, well, let's compromise at six.

So now I have six years instead of five years. That's great news. Also, I asked if you ran into a situation that you once had before, where you got shamed because they were like, you didn't get all the poop who out. They made a point to say that I did an excellent prep.

I know. He said, how did the prep go? And I said, it's just iced tea and he's a perfect.

“That's just, that's what you're looking for at the end.”

At the end, if you're down to, it just looks like iced tea. You've done a good job. Yeah. Sorry, listeners. Okay.

So, that went great. I mean, yeah. Yeah. And then, oh, here's the sim moment.

The nurse, incredible nursing staff, of course, shout out Vita, awesome lady.

She said, what are you going to eat? Yeah, that's what I was going to ask. I said, I'm probably going to try to get my wife to stop it in and out. She goes, you know, that's what most people say. They say in and out.

And I said, oh, wow. And she said, or they say pastrami. And I go, oh, wow, yeah, fucking pastrami sounds so good. And then I start thinking, how was one of there was, all right, I start thinking, like, do I go to fucking lying or the order lying is?

So they let me out. I walk out into the car. There's a little tray. And on the tray is two pieces of gluten-free sourdough bread and fucking hot pastrami. Question just thought, oh, he'll be so hungry.

What should I get him? She brought hot pastrami. Wow. That's very simple. That's so sad.

“I wonder almost if when Vita talked about her she said, say, hey, he really wanted, well,”

they do have to call this a when to pick you up. I'm going to ask Chris, that seems like such a coincidence. Yeah, maybe she said he said he was thinking about pastrami. Well, it was so good. Yeah.

My car right home. It was from Lang? Yeah. Oh. And then I woke up yesterday morning.

I could barely wake up. Yeah. Is that purple? Or just all the action my butt went to action? Yeah.

You're probably tired. Why would you just be tired? And I felt very blessed. I started to get superstitious about going to the track because I weirdly have on the schedule Friday.

I'm going to see my shoulder doctor, which I haven't had a checkup on in four years. Which I have some nerve. If people don't know if they're just now joining us, lots of metal in my shoulder and this one or the other. The track.

Because of the track. And there are a couple nerves on top of the metal that drive me nuts. I want to know if they can just cut the nerves. Yeah. So that's the point of my appointment, but I just kept thinking on the car right there.

This feels too weird that I already have a shoulder appointment on Friday. I don't want to get fucking hurt. It just felt jinxy. So, very happy to report. It was a lovely day at the track.

Four sessions. No issues. Lots of fun. There's lots of dates. No.

Those are good. Colnoscis a big update. I wonder when I'm going to have to start doing that. You know what I had one? Mm-hmm.

Yeah. It's time. Really? Yeah. Oh, you did that.

That was nice. I don't think you have to put it here.

Okay.

And also, it's not in my fan.

I don't know. Like, that no one's told me I need to.

“I want you to play in yours around some eventful for that we have some content.”

No. I. I was smarter than that. Like day before our prep days golden gloves. Yeah.

Exactly. That's right. Yeah. Good. I have a fun update for you.

Okay. I ran into joy last night. No. Yeah. Joy Brian.

Joy Brian. My spiritual sister. Yes. Your co-star. Excellent.

And ex-wife. Television wife. Yeah. It was also sim because earlier that day, I was on that day. I was on Instagram and I saw a picture.

I almost sent it to you. But I guess I forgot. It was a picture of the cast of parenthood. Uh-huh. And it said 16 years ago today, the show premiered.

But it was actually, oh, this wife didn't send it to us. I was like, oh, I got Sam weird. But then it was 23 hours ago. Okay. So it was a day late.

And I didn't feel like that was semi. So I didn't send it. Okay. But then it was turns out it was sim because then yesterday. Uh, Jess and I went to Dunsmore, a restaurant very, very delicious restaurant.

Where's it at? It's in Eagle Rock. Oh, that makes sense. And the thing is, it's very hard to get a reservation there. But you, they do walk in but like, a few.

Good walk. It's good luck. And you have to get there so early. So we got there early.

Um, and Jess was like, oh, we're the first one.

He was ahead of me. And he was like, we're the first ones. And then he was like, oh, wait. And he was like, he's going around the corner. It's clearly some, there are other people there.

So I kind of like, didn't see then. And then I'm walking up. I, I turned the corner. It's joy. Come on.

And I like, I get really smiley. And I see that she looks kind of mad. She's talking to Jess and looks kind of mad. Oh, okay. And I was like, what's going on here?

Hi. And she was like, she kind of got like whipped out. And she was like, oh, hi. Oh, my god. She like had this whole.

So I guess Jess had just said. Didn't recognize, didn't know his joy. Didn't recognize her for a second. Okay. So it's going both directions.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Both people didn't recognize either one. Yeah.

“And Jess said, oh, I think the line starts over here.”

Yeah. And she didn't like that at all. And I walk in in the middle of that. Yeah. She sees me.

Yes. Put it all together. Softens. It becomes joy. Joy.

Yeah, joyful. And she says, she's like, oh, my god. I didn't recognize somebody. And then we were chatting a lot. And it was really sweet and fun.

And she was like, yeah, but don't tell me where to stand. And I was like, yeah, Jess, don't tell her where to stand. Uh-huh. But then, you know, like, eight minutes later, the ban track comes out.

And it's like, start the line over here. Okay. Yeah. Sure.

But she's like, bitch, I'm here first.

I don't know. You're going to try that. That's right. But the thing is, he just knows because we've done that line. Yeah.

But I did. What was she with? She had two friends with her. Fun. And it was, um, it was a fun bump in it.

It was a sim because 16 years I just found out. Um, and she's, of course, said to say hi. Okay. Fun. Um, what did you get?

And what did she get? Well, I get, they have a stew there. Oh. It's a chill. It's a chilly stew.

Okay. There's no explaining it that matches what it tastes like.

“It's, I think, one of my favorite foods in the city.”

I want to try that. So good. And what you do, it comes with tortillas. And you put a tortilla. And then you order the cheddar-tribe mashed potatoes.

And then you put like a little bit of mashed potato. And then stew. And you eat it in the tortilla. It is so good. So I guess.

It's hearty. It is. It's so delicious. So I went down the street to pop into a store. And while I was doing that, just was telling joy about the stew.

You got to get the stew. Uh-huh. And then, you know, we went to our separate tables and just told this our server, "Hey, if they don't order the stew, please order them the stew." Ah, no.

They need to have it. Yeah, yeah. And they did not order the stew. Okay, great. And so they did get the stew and she was very grateful.

I'm just glad she got to try it.

Because she, you know, you read it and you're like, "I don't really need that."

You're going to be the mood for the stew. Exactly. The mood for the stew. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, it's a mix of stew and pot roast. Remember, we did a stew. That's right. For Game of Thrones. We sure did.

Tonight in the seven kingdom. And that was a yummy stew. Great stew. Great stew. And the we're sounding restaurant name of the street.

Very skeptical. Robot restaurant. Yeah. Anywho. So the stew's the thing that I love to get there.

But we got other stuff too. I want it now. You need to get it. I'm going to go. Eagle Rock, not too far.

It's not too far. Manageable. All right.

Well, let's do some fackies for a man to pee.

Yes. What a fun interview. I know. I enjoy her. I love when interviews get philosophical.

Yeah. That's the whole point of the show.

“That's why we did it in the first place.”

Now, when did her and Ben's still her date? So you said 97. She was like, "No, no, no, no, no. Well, way later than that." It says online briefly dated for a few months in 98.

Yeah. But then, they started an off-roadway plenty other than 2005. Anyway. So it's hard for me to tell a mystery. It's still a mystery.

Well, I've asked Ben. Yeah. I'll see what he thinks. You'll see what he has to say about that. Okay.

I looked up the percentage of seizures that are psychosomatic. Mm-hmm. They're called PNES. Psychogenic non-epileptic seizures. This says a count roughly five to 10% of cases in general outpatient.

Neurology clinics rising to 20 to 40% in specialized epilepsy monitoring units. Say the numbers again. I got distracted because you said PIN in a meeting. Remind me of a story I wanted to tell you. Oh, okay.

Great. I'm sorry. Sorry. Five to 10 in general outpatient neurology clinics. But 20 to 40 in specialized epilepsy monitoring units.

Mm-hmm. I said 30. Right. You said 30. You said 30.

Um, and let's just remind everyone that our experts said I, mine were real. I know. Now, that's an interesting thing. You, I know you would, I would want to say that too. Of course, I, I want to say it.

I would want that too. I would want people to know. No, I have the real epilepsy. But what's really sad is they have seizures. Mm-hmm.

And they're just as much of like a victim. I'm saying, I would want to say I have real epilepsy epilepsy too. Yeah.

“But I think in there's some, there's something there.”

Well, I know what-- Do you know what I'm saying? Yes, yes, yes, yes. But I know what it is. This becomes like the type one type two situation.

No, it's not. It does like the only people that are mad when I talk about diabetes.

The lack I get are always from type one diabetics, wanting us to make it very clear.

This just came up and I had to look it up to defend myself. Mm-hmm. So only five to ten percent of diabetes cases are type one. Uh-huh. So when people are talking about diabetes, generally speaking, yeah, they're talking about the 90% of people that have type two.

Uh-huh. But what's funny is they, I've been accused of shaming them, but what I think this really happened is that type one are shaming the type two. They're going, I was born with this. I didn't give it to myself.

And I don't think that's the right phrase. I don't think that that's as general. I don't know that's a generous take. Okay. I think they want to be like, I'm not one of those people.

So actually you, that's being mean, not you. Yeah. The type one people are so mad. They're being mean to type two people. I don't.

But again, I don't know that that's generous enough because maybe the type one people are like, nothing about the type two people.

“But what I have been going through my whole life is a different thing than what they're”

right. They're not that they're not going through something they are. But I would say it's the same thing. It's just what was the cause of it. Yeah, but type one, but right.

But is it still the mind where you're blood sugar? You have to administer insulin. You have to do it like, but you are the conditions the same. Well, maybe type two. Well, my cousin has type one and he didn't realize it till he was like 21 and went to a coma.

So, but he had it as whole life. But a lot of, uh, probably. I mean, yeah, clearly he has it genetically. But it wasn't an issue until he was in his 20s.

Or like when we had Halle Berry on and she talked about. She's, it wasn't an issue. She was just kind of like self medicating. Yeah. Yeah.

You do like your body's telling you drink a ton of water all the time. In his case, he was drinking slurpies when he got there. Yeah. But, but, but also, there are tons of type two diabetics in. I don't know.

That's true. That's true. And you have the same disease. But you're so worried someone thinks you have type two. So what I'm saying is you think it's really bad to have type two and that you hate to be confused for them.

Maybe.

I don't think it's on you either.

But I just, I don't, I don't think it's bad to differentiate. Say, like, if they're mad about it, that's one thing. But it's, I don't think it's weird to be like, yeah, I have type one. I've had it my whole life. It's genetic.

Yeah. That's just what I'm dealing with. Yeah. But when we had the experiment, she was like, the people that have the psychosomatic seizures, which again is like 30 to 40%.

Mm-hmm. They have way more. Uh, that's part of the way they diagnose it.

“Oh, it's not actually the pattern of epilepsy, right?”

We're, like, four a day, three days a week. Yeah. That's generally not how it works. So it's like, it could be worse in some cases. Right.

But it's also different. It's like the treatment. The treatments differently. Yeah. It's completely different.

The medication is not going to fix that. I'm just saying, I would hate for someone I think I've given myself an illness. Right. My own vanity and ego would hate for someone to think I gave myself a psychosomatic illness. Yeah.

For me, I wish I didn't feel that way. Right. So for me, the reason I wanted that validation from her, and why I just said it, Yeah. Is because, for a while, it felt that there was some questions around mine.

Uh-huh. And like, was it, do I have that epilepsy? I don't know. She had two seizures. Like, does she kind of maybe not?

I think there were some alluding to that. So when she was like, no, that's like, so plainly, yes. Yeah. I was like, oh, good. Like, good.

I am not crazy. Yes.

“You felt like I was accusing you of imagining it.”

Oh, yeah. And so from, from my perspective, my two defenses of it are more than you thought you had epilepsy. You thought you had a brain aneurysm.

I never really thought that.

I couldn't tell the difference. You talked often about really thinking you had something going on in your brain. You mean before? Before. Before.

Yeah. Yeah. I was like something, when I after the first seizure that I didn't know what it was. Yeah. I was like, something, well, I was like something neurological happened.

Yeah. Yeah. I'm just saying, you had said, you also thought you had a brain aneurysm. More often than you said you had epilepsy. And I didn't think you had a brain aneurysm.

So yes, in that respect, I definitely am guilty of going like, well, it's probably as serious as the brain aneurysm, which I don't think you have a brain aneurysm. So that's, I apologize for that. Secondly, my bigger resistance to it is like, I don't want that for you. I don't want you to have epilepsy and have to be on medication the rest of your life.

Yeah. Can have to monitor it. I just don't want that for you. So I'm not quick to embrace that because I don't want it for you. Right.

That's a lot of what was going on just so you know. Like, I don't want that for you. Yeah. So let's jump to that. Let's not, you know, let's not.

Totally. Yes. And I appreciate that. To me, it's like, well, I don't want you to have Saryotic arthritis.

Right. But you have it. And also, if you heard, like, if I heard that, oh, actually like a bunch of people have Saryotic arthritis don't actually have Saryotic arthritis. Uh-huh.

And it wouldn't, you'd be like, no, but yeah, but I have it. And like, they still have symptoms. I mean, you'd still want to be like, yeah, that's fine. And that has nothing to do with me, but I have it. I think I would.

Yeah. And I think the best version of myself wouldn't care. It's kind of like the not caring whether people think they have HIV. She and they don't. It's like, it doesn't really have anything to do with me.

I know what I have. Right. And I shouldn't care. And for the most part, I don't. Right.

You know, I don't care if you think you're dyslexic and you're not. Yeah. I don't care if you think you're not an alcoholic and you are. I don't care if you think you're an alcoholic and you're not like, I don't in general care. You don't care about the others, but you do want to be like, but I have dyslexia.

I know. I know. I have this. I was diagnosed. It's something I've been dealing with my whole life.

So that's okay. Yeah. I'm admitting to you. I would have said the same thing. Right.

I'm letting you into my thoughts. So it's like, I would say the same thing.

“And then as a challenge to myself, I think, why is that important for me?”

For me. Like, why do I? What's going on behind there that I have that strong inclination to go? Yeah. Well, but I have real dyslexia.

Like, I like the best version of me doesn't really care. Yeah. But then the best version of you isn't also then acknowledging the truth.

Like, the truth is you have it.

And there are things to do if you have it. Well, the best version of myself knows what I have. And it doesn't matter what you think I have. That's the best version of me, right? I think we would agree on that.

Like, whether you think my dyslexia is imagined or not, that's your business. And like, best version of Dax doesn't care.

And he doesn't care if you have your questions about it.

“But that's that's like really that is true.”

And it's really living on an island. It's like everything I know is that it's all that matters. It's not letting in. Like, it matters to me if you think I'm coming up with something in my mind. Like, that matters to me as my friend.

Like, if it's a stranger on the street, I don't care what they think of me. Yeah. But I, what you think of me matters to me. Right. And let's be, I just want to be really clear about the timeline.

The first one was in the, in the night you had back pain. You did see someone who suggested to coat of anesthesia. No. No.

They never, the seizures never came up.

Okay. Ever. Which is why I was like, what's, they're like, we'll never know unless it happens again. They gave me the steroid. And remember because we all thought it was, they, they were like, it must be some kidney thing.

But then we took the urine. There was no kidney thing. So they were just like, Someone said, do you, it sounds like a seizure? Yes.

That was a year later. Right. When I went on the date. Yes. Yes.

And at that point I was like, you saw experts. They didn't say it was a seizure. You were on a date. This guy said it was a seizure. You now think you had a seizure.

So right there at that point, you're right.

“I was like, I don't know that I believe that.”

The second time you had a seizure. A week later. Okay. After after he told me that, which is also so wild. It is really wild.

You had a seizure. Someone saw it. And I mean, he was like, come live in our house. No, no. I think we're talking about two different things because I'm talking about more in the aftermath.

I feel like I feel like there's been some, there was some questions. Even from me, like, well, I had, yeah, I had two seizures.

I've never had another one.

Yes, I'm on the medication. But maybe it's not a epilepsy. Maybe I just had these random seizures. Yeah. Like, I think there were some, there were some questions around.

Do I really have this disease? Again, it's about like the label and exactly the permanent. Yeah. And so when she said, no, you have it. Mm-hmm.

I was like, okay. That's actually, it was also good for me to hear. I mean, here, not because of like, oh, I'm crazy. But, okay, I have it. Like, so I need to make, I can know that and make decisions about my treatment and stuff,

knowing like, no, I do have this. So is this something I want to ween off of? Is it not? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah. Anyway, this poor, I mean, I mean, if you are, if you are having seizures, psychosomet at all. And you see, I mean, seizures, I feel terrible for anyone. Is that better?

Yeah. Yeah. And if someone doesn't have cardiac arthritis, but they have tons of joint pain and rashes everywhere. I feel terrible for that person.

Whether or not they got this label, I got it. Yes, exactly. I agree. It's not like, but I do think it's good if you can know. Because then you can course hopefully.

But I think what I'm just trying to light on is there is a nature. We have that if someone gave themselves something, you don't have to feel as bad. There's a stigma.

You die of lung cancer, but you smoke for 40 years versus you never smoked and you die of lung cancer.

We have two different categories for those things. And I'm suggesting that we shouldn't because I don't think, like, I had this kind of breakthrough thinking about my dad not too long ago. It was like, you for whatever reason through of the many things that had happened to him. He had to smoke cigarettes. He didn't.

He didn't have the same shot as everyone. So like, yeah, for a while, like, yeah, well, he smoke cigarettes. But why did he smoke cigarettes? Yeah. I think that's what I'm trying to do.

Sure, of course. She's just like, you know, is anyone should we not feel bad for anyone? Right. And I don't think so. I mean, I think it should be.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's someone. If someone has for me, but also, yes.

Like, compassion for everyone.

“That's what I'm, that's what I'm trying to shine on.”

Yeah. And I think something. I'm aspiring to be. I'm not that way. Yeah.

I feel worse for someone who has a blowout hits a tree and dies than someone who got drunk and hit a tree and dies. Yeah. But I'm inspiring to recognize there's probably a lot of reasons that both things no one chose. Yeah. Definitely.

I mean, I would, I will plainly say, I'd rather have epilepsy than peaking in. Yeah. Yeah. Like peeing. Because, at least, I can be on medicine.

I can, like, control this. If I had peens, that's horrible. Yeah. That's like controlling panic. Yes.

Yes. Like, no. I'm, I prefer this. Okay. Where did Lena Dunham go to school?

Hmm. Friends. Academy. But what chapter? He did go to friend seminary before transferring in seventh grade to saint and school in Brooklyn.

So everyone was right.

Because Amanda knew she went to school in Brooklyn.

Exactly. And we knew she went to friend seminary. Yeah. And so you were right. Star started cast over there.

Yeah. For real. Okay.

“What's the current number of money that you need before happiness, platos?”

Modern study show happiness often continues to rise within come with higher platos. Suggested around 200,000 to 500,000 per year. And it's roughly what I was. Yeah.

It's going to be a million though.

But I'm going to be wrong. Right. I mean, again, to me, depending on where you live. Absolutely. Makes a big, big decision.

And do you want to grant a year in LA? You're not going to own a home. Yeah.

“You're going to be, you're going to be like, yeah.”

And then apartment, maybe a roommate. Yeah. Yeah. Hard to live here. Um, did Lake respond?

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah. It's great. And I got to send it to Amanda. Oh, fine. I get mistaken for Amanda Pete.

Maybe Lake. I love her voice. A couple times a month. Pre-regularly.

“Just recently, I got thanked for, or someone was like, oh, I loved you.”

But I got treated. Oh, was a jury duty. Oh, yep. The security did a jury duty. I really loved all of my movies as Amanda Pete.

So I was like, oh, should we get granted for this? And then I wonder, and I was like, oh, I wonder if she ever gets that. Anyway. Yeah. All the fucking time.

All the time. Fucking compliment. She's fucking hot. That's my great. That's great.

That is so great. She's fucking hot. It is. But to both of them, they're both hot. That's what I was saying in the area.

It's hard to feel bad for either of them. I know. I know. Um, that's it. Oh, thank you.

Thank you. I love you. That was fun.