Scott Eastwood

I'm Jack Shepard, and I'm joined by Monica Padman.

- Hi. - Hi. - We have a handsome actor alert. Big time handsome. - I love handsome actors. - Scotty's Wood. Oh, is he handsome? Scotty's Wood is an actor.

Oh, and he hates being... I forgot the lesson I learned in the interview. - He doesn't like thinking. - It's what no one does, too, and I already knew that. - Be called handsome?

- Just what do you do with that? Anyways, I know what I would do with it. - His credits include the longest ride regretting you, "Raph of Man," "Grandtrino Fury," and his new movie "Out Now, Lucky Strike."

Please enjoy Scotty's Wood. (upbeat music) - We have a debt before, I mean? - No, no, no, no. - Hi, Monica. - Monica, please. - Pleasure.

- I remember meeting a manus handsome as you. - I agree with you. - I agree with you. - I agree with you. - I agree with you. - How are you guys doing? - Just fresh from the dentist.

- Oh, my teeth were jagged at the bottom. I didn't really even think about it, but my man pointed it out. He's like, "You know, I could make that smooth." I was like, "Yeah, I felt like I got upsold a little bit."

- Do you grind, is that why? - Why, I'm fresh.

“- I mean, truthful, I think when I've been in fights,”

I bite my fucking front of my teeth. There's a few vents in my life where I'll bite the front of my teeth. And I think I just chipped off the ends. You know, they say if you're grinding, they're not sleeping during the full moon's.

You probably have some sort of parasite. Like a worm. - Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. - Whoa. - Walk me through that. Wait, if you're not sleeping during a full moon. - During the full moon.

- And you grind your teeth. - Yep. - Why are the parasites responding to the full moon? - You know, I don't know, but I do know that that's a thing

and they've been talking about it since the dawn of time. - Real name Americans have had that. They've known about that. Every sort of ancient culture has been talking about parasitic stuff during the full moon.

- Oh, wow. - Yeah, I think we chalk up a lot now to like, oh, that's woo-woo. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - But it's a thing. - It sounds adjacent to astrology for sure.

- It's definitely, but then you talk to like doctors who, you know, are pretty intelligent. They're like, oh yeah, if you're grinding and you have trouble sleeping during a full moon, then check your gut.

- Have you had a parasite? - I have. - There we go. - Yeah, there we go. - Real is personal, yeah, it is.

- It probably still ongoing. - I've had H.P. Lori multiple times. - It's called H.P. Lori. - H.P. Lori. - And tell me about H.P. Lori.

- H.P. Lori is a bacteria in your gut. - Okay. - A lot of people have it. They say one and four people have it. - Okay.

“- Then I've also had like some sort of version of worms.”

- Okay. - Yeah. - From traveling, traveling. - Do you know where you got the harms? - I don't know where I got it now.

How did you figure that out? - I've struggled with gut issues. - Okay. - Because of all the traveling. When I was much younger, I was traveling all the time

for surfing. - Okay. - So I would go to Indonesia. - As a hobby, or you were like competing? - No, as a hobby.

- From one age? - I started surfing when I was like 10, 11. - Oh, you weren't Hawaii at that point, right? - You weren't two areas that you could have really-- - You're gonna pick up some bacteria in those waters.

- We just end up in someone. - Yes. - Oh. - Who was in Bali? - Yes.

- On a trip, they got some kind of, not an official tour guide on this gentleman was like,

"Let me take you ladies to this incredible."

You know about the such and such. And it's all these natural water slides. They've eroded out of the volcanic. It was very cool, sounding. And then pools of water, and it's great.

So they do this, they have a great time. She had also had an incredible sunburn. So she missed the rash phase. Most people would have recognized they got a crazy rash right afterwards,

but she didn't, because of all this sunburn. And then what was it like? Five? - Like six years later. - Six years later.

- Staff? - It had been no. - It was something kind of warm or warm. - Marmi Paris, that had just been in there. But six years.

And it had gotten like really debilitating. She couldn't move as if they failed. - Totally fatigue. Yeah, no energy. And then they were like, "Oh yeah, you've had this thing

for six years." - Oh wow. - What actually got you to go to a doctor though? - How many? - It's something's fucked up.

- Yeah, it's my first regular.

- I'm okay. - Sure, sure. - Sure, some of you use the bowels. - Yeah. - Some evacuations.

- Yeah. - And then you think you're okay. And then all of a sudden you're like, "I'm not, maybe I'm not okay." - Yeah.

- Yeah. - So what does one do if they have that? You got to get on a antibiotic protocol? - Oh, you did.

“- Yeah, I think you had to take like three antibiotics”

all at the same time for like a couple of weeks. - That's a lot. - I'm hopeful. 'Cause I was on a pick line for like four months. You know, antibiotics where you got a shooting

in your body, like three times a day or twice a day. What from? - Oh man, motorcycle accident, that, then I got a bunch of metal put in and then that metal was infected. Then I got a bicycle accident which broke all the metal

and then they went in there to fix that. They discovered this huge infection.

And I like to think that although it also killed that,

it would've killed something like that as well. 'Cause I was just carpet bombing my body for months. I mean, a lot of people still try to take turpentine for things like that. They'll drink it.

It's medicine from the 1800s. - Yeah, yeah, it's like, yeah, my work. - Yeah, so my kill is. - I'll just drips pain.

“I mean, I think it's the primary use of turpentine.”

- Yeah. - Okay, so I want to start with an assumption in a disclaimer which is, if I were you, I would fucking hate talking about my damn. - All right, just be so sick of it.

- Yeah, like I know I'm gonna get asked. - It doesn't upset me at all, does it? - No, I mean, you know, I think more than anything, if I get upset about something, it's the lack of thoughtfulness and a question.

- Uh-huh. - In an interview, you've experienced that. - Yeah, yeah. - We are like, have you done any research? Are you a thoughtful interviewer?

- Or in tension, you get the sense. - Oh, they're just trying to trap me into a really bad sound bite. I'm gonna grab. - Exactly.

- Yeah, I don't want to trap anyone. I don't want any clickbait. - You're 40 now, right? - Yep. - But there's been waves of it.

We're also, it's like, shut the fuck up about mine. (laughs) - Another very, it's really like, oh, yeah. I'm older now, and I don't really. - Yeah.

- I wanna reach a tipping point where you're like, why do I care about that? Or I'm comfortable just being me now. - Yeah. - Yeah.

- Whatever. - Okay, so let's start though. Your mom's Jacqueline? - Yeah. - Your born and carmel by the sea, I was--

- Oh, beautiful. - Hey, Mom, I guess I have gorgeous. - Can you have awareness when you're young and you're born somewhere

“that it's significantly prettier than everywhere else?”

I mean, it's just what it is, they are, right? I think, yeah, that comes with some age and perspective, leaving, like anything. I thought it was quite small, and I wanted more. - It is tiny, right?

- It is. - It's connected to the larger bay area, right? You could be in Santa Cruz in 30 minutes, and then from Santa Cruz into San Francisco or San Jose. - But when you're there, you're there.

- I mean, it's like, kind of, yeah, it's a couple of words on an island a little bit, or a peninsula, I guess. - What were the kids in the parents? Like, what do people do there?

It feels very like you're there to retire. I don't know what the industry is there. Was it mostly like wealthy families and that kind of thing? - Just not just wealthy. I mean, there's middle and lower class,

for sure, a seaside and marina, and salinas has got a lot of lower socioeconomic demographic. So it all sort of blends, then the closer the coast you get, the more upper class. But, you know, people do the same thing,

and they look to find ways to get into trouble and sneak out and go drink and high school and do things you're not supposed to do. - Yeah, yeah. - So they're zero to 10, then 14, 18, is that what it was?

- Yeah, I was there.

“I think zero to eight, then my mom and I lived in Hawaii.”

Am I sister? - She into dogs? - That's not the one that's in the dogs. - Okay, there's like, I think I know his sister through dogs.

- Yeah, that's Allison. She's a big dog rescue in Malibu. - Oh, okay. - And then you're back to Hawaii for eight or so years

and then back to Car Mal for sort of the second half high school.

- Okay, so Jacqueline was a flight attendant. She was with what airline. - She's gonna kill me 'cause I hope. - Yes, say this, but it's... - Hughes Air West, which then became maybe TWA.

- I think they're Northwest, I think they... - Ah, it's me, each other. - And did your parents meet on a flight? - No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. - 'Cause you've had the fantasy I have

and you're chatting with the attendant. They're attractive and you're like, "Oh, could this be a romance?" - Yeah, could we have like a night in Paris when we land? - Yeah, I think you're thinking more of like,

50's flight attendant. - Yep, Hannah. - Yeah, yeah. - Right now it's not so much the fantasy. It's like, get out of the way, move, get off the plane. - Yeah, yeah.

- But you're shouldn't front of your feet, don't put it in the overhead. - Exactly. - Well, how long was she doing that? - She did for 14 or 15 years. - Okay.

- So a full career. - Yeah, she had a career. - So how they meet? - They were both living in Monterey and I just, I think, mutual friends.

- Where's she from originally? - She's from Washington State. - What kind of yellow is she? - Simple. - And now she walks and collects shells on the beach daily.

Still single. She raised two kids after her career. She was a mother and she did some interior design sort of on the side. - What took you guys to Hawaii?

- She taught tennis there when she was in her early 20s

and she always loved it and then my dad and her split

and she said I'm going back to Hawaii. - So they had an amicable, yeah, they're great friends. - Oh, lovely. And what island are you on? - Hawaii for a few years, then the big island.

She moved to the big island because the school system on Hawaii isn't very good. This school system is in general and Hawaii aren't some of the vast and there's a good school that she moved to for us in middle school and high school.

- And were you going to a public school there? I was and then a private school and then a public school? - How did it work out being a holiday? 'Cause I've had some real dicey experiences down in Hawaii. (laughing)

- Yeah, that's the thing.

- Yeah, yeah, yeah.

- I was giving an example, I was sitting in in Paiya

on my way and I'm talking to this skinny white dude that works at this Paiya organic pizza place. It's great and he like grew up there and I'm like,

“how'd you do this skinny white dude in this island?”

And he's like, oh man, you need a niche. I happen to be really tiny so I would go pig hunting with the dudes 'cause I was tiny as I could get into stab the bore once they had it down. - Yep.

- He's like, so I had a role, but you really need a role. - He's not wrong. - Was it intimidating when you got there? - Yeah, I know, I mean, nobody liked me. Luckily my mom, I think she really pushed

I had to be in sports, so she put me in football. So, early age, I was doing pop Warner, perfect. You've got built-in friends, exactly. - Exactly, well, yeah. At the beginning, built-in, you're one of two white kids

on the team. Why are you here, beat it, Hally? (laughing) But then I think as time progressed and they saw, oh, cool, he's willing to put the work in

and take some hits, you become part of the pack. So that's good. - Did you find your way into the pack? - Yeah. - Then you go and play another school, they might be like,

beat it Hally. (laughing)

- So it's always touching go and Hawaii.

- Did you get your ass kicked? - Oh yeah. - Oh yeah, from an early age, getting a lot of fist fights, you had to learn how to defend yourself, learn how to kind of navigate the waters and be like, okay,

either I'm gonna get into fire right now, or I'm gonna figure out how to diffuse this. - Yeah. - Most of the time I was getting into a fight, but then I think you start to earn your stripes

and then it is like anywhere. - It seems caring. - It still is. - The surfing culture in Hawaii is still very protected. - Yeah, yeah.

- It's like a resource, right? Waves are a resource and there is a respect and pecking order

“that you have to respect and that's part of the whole thing”

and white holiday guys are at the bottom of the total bowl. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Unless you're, would we interview the big surfer? - Oh, Kelly's Kelly, Kelly's so laid out. - I think even Kelly, he's not, you know,

in Hawaii, they don't care about the champion. - I actually probably want to kick his ass if he steps out a lot. - Oh, that makes sense. - I've heard epic stories of dozing it,

like literally punched on the surfboard like on a wave. - Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - That's a thing. - Yeah. - And what about girls?

Did you have girlfriends? Could you have romances? - Yeah, that's also, again, an island could be a resource. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Take interest to the wrong girl.

- Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - That's not it. - That's why it's. (laughing) - It makes me think, if you ever see not the surfer in a gentleman,

of course. - I mean, kind of tell the backstory of why Richard Gears had your badass, I think, and it's like he was a little boy in Thailand or Vietnam during the thing. And he's just getting his ass kicked by all the local kids

and then, you know, he said to raise up. He sounds a little bit like that. - It's a little bit like that. - So what grade did you leave there? - I left when I got in trouble.

- I got in some trouble. - What kind of trouble do you get in?

- I like to think it was my first entrepreneurial experience,

selling pot. - Oh, great, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - Wherever you're getting it, we rated a pot farm. - Great, you stole a ton of, yeah, yeah, perfect. - I mean, we're gonna buy it.

- No, no, no, no, you don't even let the cat go there. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So we did a little boo-boo, how many of you? - There was, I think, five or six of us that hatched this plan in the night, under Moonlight, gonna steal the pot,

stole the pot, took it down to the beach, dried it out. And then we divided it up and then we were gonna make some no. - And when you get a move it on the beach or in school? - No, it's school. - That's school, sure, sure, sure, sure, sure, yeah.

- The way you see the other things, right? - And then I don't remember somewhere along the line. Someone got pinched and then they were all added and they were all like everybody. - Yeah, rats, right?

“- That's why you eighth graders don't make great criminals”

'cause they were all pretty easy, they were all pretty easy. - It were police involved. - No, they didn't really have any actual evidence, but they still kicked us out of school. I think there was enough people.

I denied that. - So I don't know what to say. - Still, you didn't do it. (laughing) - So were you sent now to live a dad or did mom go with you?

- I went to go live with my dad. - It sounds like you were living a pretty modest life in Hawaii? - Yeah. - I mean comfortable, but we didn't live lavish. - I guess I'm wondering if I knew my dad was your dad

and I was like, "Oh, where's the golf carts?" (laughing) Why don't I have both of them in my car? - Yeah, why don't I live in the car? - Yeah, why don't I live in the car?

- Well, my dad's not like that. Even if when it was living with him or at all, he's not a material guy. He comes from a very different generation. I mean, you gotta remember, he was born in 1930.

- Yeah. - So he saw the real lows of the Great Depression and that stuck with him forever. He still to the state would be telling you to turn off a light if you left the house and why the hell

didn't you turn off the light? - Yeah, dad's love to tell you to turn off the lights. - They do. I'll go waste a ton of money in one domain and then I'll be like, "I've found a white son."

- It's so crazy. - I mean, it's like primitive. There's something going on. I mean, it's like, put the fire out. Is there something weird is going on?

- No.

- It's just weird fruitality in just this one area. - Yeah. - That's pretty insignificant in your total nut. Is that what you're gonna move the needle if you really tighten up your electricity bill?

- Especially now with LEDs, right? - Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah.

“- So what if I'll just leave 'em on just to spice out?”

- I really will. I'll just be like, gonna turn the light up. Like, you know what? I can leave it on. I get to make this decision down for myself.

- How was it when you dropped back in to Carmel going into high school? You know, you're jumping to a new high school?

That's always a little wonky.

Are you gonna be the one who's gonna get picked on? And that actually did happen. I think one of the first months or two of high school a guy, a bully, singled me out. 'Cause I was the new kid.

I don't wanna fight 'cause I was like, I'm a new kid to school. Why are you picking on me? One day after school, I said that enough enough, let's go. And so then we went down to the place

where everyone fights, it was like a big field. - Oh, okay, right. - I remember it actually vividly because he's now one of my best friends, but he had an old camcorder.

And he was gonna film the fights. - Oh, wow. - Yeah. - There could be nothing more awkward than you're going to fight a kid.

For us, it was the Melford Cinema. That's where we all went. I mean, he's like, yeah, just give me five. I gotta set up my tripod. - I mean, this is like an awkward.

- Let me just block this really quick. Do you think you were gonna fight over there? Or, yeah, I'm just trying to figure out why I'm wearing it, I'm wearing it, I'm wearing it. So he set up his camcorder.

- No, I had a friend. - Yeah, I had a friend. - Yeah, I had a friend. - Oh, oh. - Yeah, I remember all the kids were parkeying

the running down. - Not the bully, right? Just another friend. - No, just another friend. - Yeah, okay.

- He's my best friend. - He's my best friend. - I thought the bully was like, yeah. - He's a pride-pot-than-kick-ass, and then watch it at home and love it.

You can see that as an incentive. - This is just another friend. - So does the tape exist? - It probably does, but we have no idea where it is. - Yeah.

- How did that fight go? - It went pretty good for me. - Oh, good, good, good. - Oh, I would have had to get that tape. - I didn't want to fight because I had been in a lot

of fights pre-at that, and I was like, I don't need to do that. Start this school out like, we already did that. - We already did that. - Why can't I just, okay.

- Because my mom was kind of, she had put me in martial arts very early, did a lot of tech window and boxing. I had a really good foundation for fighting,

especially after being always fights with kids.

- Yeah. - And why? So it was good, because actually another thing that I did get a lot of fights with different schools.

“That was the only fight I was in, and I think in that school.”

But then Carmel High would fight Monterey. - Oh, correct. - And it was like this rivalry, 'cause we had a football rivalry. So there would be like the other fights.

- I am wonderful. - Yeah, it rumbles. - Oh, it's time to be alive. - I know what are we doing. But it is champs, we're all like this champs big,

should I try it? - Oh. - And you know why we have that? - It doesn't end too, right? - It's like a fight for resources, right?

- Yeah. - Yeah. - Who's cool? - Who's gonna get the girl? - Girl, the dude's gotta hear his like one girl go in like,

oh yeah, his dance button, and then he's off to the races. - Oh. - Yeah. - Yeah. (laughing)

- I guess when I think my conclusion is that it's not as fun as I thought it might be. - It's just so if anything, you know, just 'cause your dad has done something great, doesn't mean you've done anything great, doesn't mean,

you know, either you're a good dude and you're cool or you're not, that takes you a lot farther than whether your dad was cool or not in life. Did you get to be on sets a lot as a kid? - I did.

Summers, we would go and I remember getting to go and see him in Houston working on the space movie. - Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Cowboys, space Cowboys. - Space Cowboys, exactly.

- We got it. - Yep. - Wait, it was him and Tommy Lee Jones. - Tommy Lee Jones, Donald Sutherland, and James Garmer, who was great.

I got to meet him and get to know these legends. - Your dad presents, of course,

“it's very alpha, but is that his vibe and real life?”

- I mean, I'll cut to the chase. I'm curious how he dealt with Tommy Lee Jones who are here is really, really hard. - And I was wondering if he had the, like, how fun is to keep him?

- I think I really, it's got a lot of respect for him, so I don't think people try to, they don't act up around him. - Yeah. - You know, he's very common and even keel,

and it doesn't raise his voice ever. - I mean, he would with me. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - But as he showed it, it's a dad's deal. - I heard a legendary story,

I'm sort of gonna paraphrase it, and I'll probably tell it a little wrong, but Kevin Costa, sort of going through, maybe the Kevin Costa rise to fame and maybe got a big ego, but they were doing perfect world.

And they're both starring in this movie. My dad is directing it. Apparently Kevin wouldn't come out of his trailer for some reason, and my dad didn't do trailers and things. He's like, just be on set, stay on it.

He always told me to as a kid.

You want to learn how to make movies. You want to learn how to do this. You stay here with everybody else, and you make the damn movie. - Yeah, yeah.

Apparently he didn't want to come out of his trailer for some reason.

(laughing) - He might have. - Yes, he could have been, I'm going. - That's right. - He could have been irregularly, but at a pair of sides.

- He could have had a pair of sides. - We don't know about this. (laughing) - That's true.

“But I think his reputation is hard on directors.”

This holds. - So he just said, "Well, send him home then." - Oh. - And everyone said, "What do you mean? "Well, he's in the scene, send him home."

So he sent him home, and I guess they just went to Kevin, and said, "Hey, you're going to go home, "but today, you don't need him," and he said, "Well, what do you mean I'm in the scene?" Well, I guess you're not anymore.

- Oh, boy. - The train left the station. - Couldn't change that. - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah. And so, you know, that's the pecking order, and so, I think the next day, he was onset ready to go.

You did also infamously, does like half a take, right? This is the, I've been friends who've done his movies. I've even heard stories where it's like, they're doing like kind of a rehearsal, and they're going to do a pyro rehearsal, and they shoot them. He's like, "Okay, next thing."

- We got it. - Yeah, you're not on set, like he's moving quick. He's moving quick, and you better come ready to work. You better know your shit. - Yeah.

- Actually, I think you know, I mean, you both are performers, and on this, a ton. Sometimes if that's done right, and the space is held correctly, it's all respected, and everyone's quiet, and you're rehearsing, sometimes the best stuff just comes. - Absolutely.

- If you were able to do that, he would always tell me this trick.

You would just go to the cinematographer just run. And you wouldn't tell anybody. Everyone's comfortable, they're not thinking about, and he's actually... - Exactly. - The nerves. - Yeah, that's the move. - Yeah, it is.

- Did you have the interest in acting as a kid? - You know what? - Movie, I would say, really made an impression on me, was endless summer. And I don't know if you've ever seen it, 40 years ago. - Okay.

- So it's Bruce Brown making one of the most iconic surf films of all time. It's more than just a surf film, though. It's a movie about traveling the world, and about travelers. That happened to be surfers, but experiencing all this culture. - In the premise where they just chased the summer, it chased the summer.

- It's so cool, yeah, it's bigger than surfing that concept. - It is. It just happened to be doing surfing along the way, which is a beautiful sport, it's in nature, but they go to all these continents, and they travel the world. And you get all this like spice of culture in this life.

And I always thought, that's my dream, to chase summer around the world. - Yeah, yeah. - So I know if it happened to be like, be a surfer, but it was... - Experience. - Yeah, it was an experience.

- Yeah, how do I stay in summer all the time? - Oh, hi, love that. - Or whatever summer represents, at all time. So you go to Loyola, I ended up in Loyola. I bounced around, I did Santa Barbara City College.

- Me too. - Oh, no ways. - Yes, yes. - One in Santa Barbara City College. - Beautiful campus for a city college.

- Amazing. - Yeah, you're in that little bluff looking out at the ocean.

- I remember, I got a microwave burrito on my first day there,

and I was sitting on the grass, and I'm from Detroit, and what? - Get out of here. - This is a fucking good. - This is a college, yeah. - This is a community college, you know.

- Okay, so you started there. - Did you live downtown, or in IV? No, I lived on the Mesa. I'm gonna, a little apartment there.

“I remember it was 12 bucks a unit, or something, you know?”

- Oh, yeah, for school. - For school, and you could enroll for, I don't know. - Some sidewalks. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. - I worked as a bar back at the Bruhouse.

I don't know if you ever went down to the Bruhouse, it's a state street. - No, not on the state street. - Let's say in a barber brewing party. - Okay.

- It's still there, actually. It's down by where the spirit met right now, and all that area, and I had a couple friends that worked there, yeah. A little bit of a CD or anything.

- I love it. There's train tracks there, yeah. - I lived on Bath right behind that. - Oh, yeah. - I bar back there, I had a bike motorcycle?

- No, I don't know. - Oh, I don't know.

- Yeah, I did never want to bikes there.

That's like a thing. - Yeah, it's a bike car. - Yeah, yeah. - And also my dad wouldn't buy me a car. - Yeah, yeah, yeah.

- Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Because I made that pitch, and that didn't go well. - This is a fucking hysterical. - Oh, I did. - If you're fucking dead as Clint Eastwood,

he doesn't buy you a car. - No, I like that. - Yeah, you know you like it, but I'd be furious. - I think at the time, I was. - Yeah.

- At the time, I was like, "Come on, dude. You won't even notice this. - Yeah. - You can't even find this withdrawal from your account." - But that's not the rationale.

It's not like, I can't afford it. And then you'd be like, "Well, that's bullshit." But he just was like, "No, you don't deserve my car." - I bought a car, couldn't afford it. But I wasn't resentful 'cause my mom wasn't loaded,

but if my mom's loaded, I could go to the business. - Well, you're not just like, automatically... - In tidal to a car. - Exactly. That's sixth era, whatever.

- No, probably for the best. But I have for a lot of reasons. One, the value of money, and what that is, and like, learning respect for that, and like, your job, but also, I've been giving a kid a car at 18, 19,

what you do, you're drinking and driving, or doing extra stupid. - You might have been worried that you are gonna get in trouble with anything like that. - Yeah, and I think probably the value

“of time and money, I think that's like the principal lesson”

that you wanted me to know. This doesn't grow in trees, and you better go on, Irina. - How many nights a week as a bar back, were you making love to strangers? (both laughing)

That's good up all over the night, so a week.

- Okay. - You need to ride. - You need to ride. - Yeah. (both laughing)

- Rest days. - You're like, kind of, all my fantasies, I have, like, I'm just imagining being as good looking as you, and saying a barbara is a barbara. - You are projecting a lot of it.

- I know. - I'm not trying to own it, but yeah. - Yeah.

“- I'm like, oh my God, what you needed a two-seater bike?”

(both laughing) - You needed a tandem bike. What if you take the girl out for the bar and say, why do you drive a tandem bike? - Yeah.

- Because I generally have passengers, girl. - Yeah. - You ride? (both laughing) - Stay tuned for more armchair expert.

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incorporated in all state of failure. (upbeat music) So how long were you there a year? I was there for about a year or so. I had this one moment actually.

It kind of woke me up from being just a kid in college and being a bar back. I went to a restaurant actually in Santa Barbara and this guy I had known from growing up, he was in Hawaii growing up and he had gone out many years prior.

He was like six years older than he'd gone to college in Santa Barbara and he was there bar backing. And I was like, hey, you're working here. I was like, but you didn't go to college here and like, why are you still working?

This is bar backing and I was like, thinking, oh man, I better get my shit together. Yeah, that's gonna be me right now. It's just gonna be me if I don't start working on my career now while I'm in college.

So I packed up after a year and a half for some in Santa Barbara and I moved LA and I was like, I gotta get just going while I'm in college and do both things in parallel. Meaning acting in college?

Yeah, just act. I mean, I didn't know exactly if acting was gonna be the thing I was gonna do, but at that moment, I was like, I wanna give it a shot. Yeah, yeah, and see if I can become an actor and make it

and support myself.

“And nothing, anything is wrong with being back.”

No, just I wanted more. Yes. In fact, there's a lot that's right with being a bar back. I almost even think you might get to our station in life and go, oh, right.

No, there's never better than being on the yellow.

Yeah, it was simpler. So that time, I didn't have all these status concerns. Yep. Pretty groovy. Like when your parents tell you,

these are the best years of your life. Yeah, can't you? Yeah, yeah, you don't listen. You can't listen. Yeah.

How was Leola? Yeah, it was good. I went to Santa Monica after that. Santa Monica City College, me too. There you go.

There you go. Maras, Maras, yeah. Yeah, I couldn't get into a four year. So that's why I went to Santa Monica. Not as pretty of a campus.

Not as pretty. Not as good as Santa Barbara. It's a place, it's cool. And then I actually applied a couple times. I might have been rejected twice.

I can't remember. I know it was rejected once to get into that school. And so then I had to wait another semester or another year, whatever it was. And then apply again, try to get in and then I finally got in.

I just really finished there. It was funny. By the time I had gone to Leola, Mary Malah, I had worked all over the world, because I had been in City College.

I don't know, four years, a couple in Santa Barbara, a couple in Santa Monica. I've gotten acting jobs and I had been to Iceland. I had been to Europe and London and making movies. I've been all the way to Leola.

I would get a job and ask my job as Valley Parking Cars at the time Chase Crawford. He also. He was a ballet, so jealous. Jeff, for you.

Job always wanted. Who was great, because it was like outdoor. You know, and you're like, move in and you're the son. Fronting. Yeah.

He crashed a card. Did you crash any cars? I didn't crash any cars. Okay. Maybe a neck.

That's not what you never needed to rub that.

I see. And so I would ask my job if I could leave if they were cool with it. And then I'd have to ask the school if I could Bob and we even figure out how you could get my work done.

But also go do this movie, which was like an opportunity. So by the time I got to Leola, I was more. What am I doing here? Well, these kids are freshmen in a dorm. You feel like I was like, I'm old and I'm old.

And what people are asking me to check in for class. And I go, I'm paying to be here. Uh-huh. I don't need you asking me. I've got a real job.

Uh-huh. So it's kind of like, this is weird. But I got through it. I similarly, it took me like three or four years as well to go through

And yeah, when I got to UCLA, I was only like three years older than everyone or four. But I was like super into the groundlings. That was kind of my real life. And I remember you out feeling very old on that campus.

I also smoked and nobody smoked. And I'm like an old piece of shit at this place. Yeah. I don't ever feel anymore. I feel like a dirt bag.

Yeah, you were looking at the sorority parties. Yeah. Like, where's everyone going? Everyone's got, you guys went to a football game. I mean, I just wasn't having that total college

experience. Yeah. I think similar. And I was six. You did flags of our fathers, which would have been during that period.

Did you go to Detroit for Grand Traino? Did you shoot that? Did. How was your experience? It was wise.

It was fine. It was fine. It was fine. It was good. We stayed in a really, actually, you know, because Detroit, but it's like a really

nice part. Birmingham here and a really bad part. So they kind of ride like a fine line. Yeah. Yeah.

And the exciting area, the exciting. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Walk me through again.

I know at that time, you're like 20 something years old, but yeah, it was can. Initially, you were going by Scott Reeves. You're like, I'm not doing the dad thing. I'm not going to do it.

I don't know what I was thinking. Now I look back at it going. I don't care. I'm just gone by my name. It's fine.

Eastwood, whatever.

“But I think I wanted to understand if I could make this work and do it on my own”

and you want to prove something to yourself, probably of course, other probably people in town. And then you start working. And then you realize it's more about doing the work and living in a hotel room across the globe and all this stuff doesn't really matter at the end of the day.

So you've got to do the work. Yeah. Do you think it was motivated out of your fear of the public's perception of you being a nepotistic, sure, baby or is it more motivated out of dad? Like, I'm going to show dad, I'm going to do this without any help.

Maybe a little bit of both. Maybe a mix. Yeah. But definitely probably like on me, I'm going to try to go do me. Yeah.

Yeah. Your own person. Eastwood's also. It's not Smith. It's just so clear immediately.

You know? It's definitely not Smith. Yeah.

I've never had a friend with the last name.

Eastwood, have you? No. Until now. Yeah. And so starting today.

I don't know. Or you say that you're like ultimately quite happy when this way, but your day was a hard ass, right? It was tough on his sons. Oh, sucker for his daughters.

Oh, that's cute. Would you resent your sisters at all? Like, I went in and they got it made.

“I think now I'm like, what did you put me through?”

I'm looking at them. What's going on here? Yeah. Balance of fairness is not mapping. Yeah.

I love them all. You're fine with it. It's all for the best. You do three movies in a row with your dad. That's also complicated.

I would imagine. Why don't you think it was probably in a row? Definitely not. You know, you start working in little things. There was probably a lot of credits that weren't because they're student movies, stuff

that never saw the light a day.

You start working. You start taking acting classes. You do improv classes. Like the groundlings. You start auditioning.

Like a madman. I remember there were times there were like two or three additions in a day. This was way before the phone and the same thing. Yeah, stuff. You had to drive around the city, still with the Thomas guide.

Yeah. I spent like 50 hours a week driving to commercial auditions and I just never got one for like six years. And I'm like, my goodness, the hourly rate when I finally booked the buyout for two grand.

I'm like, I'm making one cent an hour. It's terrible. Yeah. That's terrible. There's so much PTSD driving around LA because you're like, oh, that's

where I auditioned for that. They're always popping up. Like you said, I mean, a certain point you're like, OK, I'm going to give this till 30. But if F 30, this ain't working, I got to find a new gig. Yeah.

Did you feel like you fit into the actor world in LA? Did you feel like an outsider? Did you feel immediately embraced?

Never felt like I fit a still don't even try.

Love the act of storytelling. Whether it's acting or being a part of the creative process, love the intellectualizing about it, having long talks about acting, not really for me. Yeah. And that doesn't mean like you don't have to put into rest in the gym.

“Now, you have to figure out what works for you, I think.”

But that doesn't mean that's interesting for you to hear about how I figure out how to be believable. Yeah. My dad was never willing to intellectualize about. He's like, just go tell the truth, man, figure it out, come prepared.

Do the job. Right. There's other things outside of the industry that are interesting. Yeah. He's unique in that he didn't live in LA. Well, he did when he was quite young, but then he moved out 60 years ago, as soon as

he could. And I did the same. Yeah. You live in San Diego? I live in Texas, Austin, Texas.

Wow. But I lived in San Diego for many years.

I didn't live here very long. I was like, the same, too much for me. And do you think you paid any price for that? As far as like working? I mean, clearly not.

Work consistently. I have debated this with people. I've talked about this at Nazium. I'm sure not being in the same rooms with creatives and being here. All right. I've weird dinner and talk with this person.

Right. You'd be great for this thing. You should look at, I'm sure there is. But the saying goes, if you cost you your piece, it's too expensive. And this place was costing me my piece.

Okay. Fury. Incredible experience. Hard. I want to hear about it.

Oh, I made a movie with pain, yeah. So I got to hear his whole version of that and then interview John, Brent Hall, and heard his take on Shia during that, which is really fun. We didn't talk to pit about Fury, but what a fascinating life experience, yeah. Who's the director?

David Air. Did he want you guys to box? He did. We did that quite a bunch.

“I think in the early days, before we started filming.”

He wanted people to bond. He also wanted people to maybe feel the jungle, monkey politics. Uh-huh. Having to box your co-star should be highly memorable. Yeah.

You don't know where he did. He did round. So everyone would box everyone. It looked. It was called boxing, but it was no punching in the face.

Right. Okay. It wasn't really sparring. It was touch. It's one of the boys to get intimate.

Exactly. And how did you do with Shia?

Because John was like, at first he's like, oh, God, fuck this guy.

What the hell? Fucking mess. And I can't remember if he said it was like midway through, he's like, skies fucking great. But there's just no way around. There's no way around.

There's no way around. There's no way around. The results are there. Look, Shia is clearly tormented and maybe got some stuff going on. Certainly addiction.

Yeah. And it was tough. There was sort of an incident that happened. I've talked about a Brad Pitt sort of broke up a little intense moment. I didn't even know about that.

He was very method from what I recall. He pulled that one of his teeth, like I heard that before we even start shooting.

“I remember being in the makeup and your face.”

You know, sorry. It's a different thing. He pulled out his tooth, but then he cut himself and I remember thinking, okay, this guy's crazy. Yeah.

I'm just going to keep clear from this guy. I don't play this game. You go and do that, but there's plenty of ways to do a performance in a movie. It's a professional. Yes, right.

But one day, he was having an episode and thought that I shouldn't be spitting tobacco on the tank, okay, which was in the script. Oh my God.

And then finally, I just said enough, so enough, I said, hey, fuck you, sit, stop pulling

your shit. I said, I'm going to whip your ass and then, you know, he got, you know, he popped off. He and then went on broke it up and oh, wow. David Airbus has been like, hmm, blah, blah, blah, blah. Blu, blah, blah, blah.

Blu, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You wanted a lot of attention. He likes that. I could never do it. I am fascinated with the idea of being the director who's like a swing dolly, you know,

these weird onset dynamics. You again, if I wish. Oh, yeah. Or love them. One of the other.

Maybe both. But if he was talking to you. Oh, no, I don't have a lot of tolerance for, yeah, I can just say it. Like, whatever your process is, fucking great. Handle that before you hear action.

Handle that before we get called the set. I don't need to be in a 50 minute blocking rehearsal because your character won't hold that pan. I've been in that situation. When you figure out whether your character can hold that pan, come give me.

Everybody's contributing, everyone's doing a thing, but you can't stop the train. Right. It's a moving train and grow the fuck up, you know, it's like, just the director wants you to do something. If it's crazy, okay, then hey, maybe that's too far, but be a collaborative.

You can do whatever performance you want to do, holding the pan or not holding the pan. Yeah, exactly. How far into production was that little dust up? Oh, it was probably midway.

“Every one had moments with Shia that were, I think, at one point, you're going to come”

to blows or not. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's funny. The film industry in a track psychopath because it's art, right? It's art and business and they kind of intersect.

Yeah. A lot of delusion and self-granger. Yeah. And you have a desire to be observed. Yeah.

So narcissism. Yeah. Right, narcissism, up to maximum narcissism. Yeah, yeah. We're just mentally ill too.

Yeah. I'm mentally ill. That's true. There is an impact. There's a handful of kind of legendary actors, or it's like, yeah, the performances are so

good. They're so emotionally available. And they're on hands. I'm not shocked. Like I can't do what the certain actors can do.

I've never even gotten there in real life much less on coming in.

And that's why they're so fascinating to watch.

Yeah.

“That's why some of the forgiveness for behavior, which I don't excuse, because when bad”

behavior is bad behavior, it's like this is a whole place of work. The crew got to go home. Everyone wants to be happy. People deserve to be respected, doesn't matter if you pick up a piece of trash, or if you're saying the lines, or if you're holding the camera, everybody has the same respect.

Yeah. Decency. So it's like, when you start infringing on that, as a place of work, that's when it gets tough for me. I'm like, beat it.

Yeah. At the same time, when you, that performance, you're like, oh, shit. That's magnetic. That's really interesting to watch. Yeah.

It is hard. Yeah. You can't really say hard in fast. It really comes down on how good is the person. I don't know Sean Penn, apparently, is not a walk in the park.

Yeah.

I've almost, and personally, and so I've always had a nice thing in the person, but I've never

worked with him. I know he's probably quite talented. He happened to read this thing about the moment he got his Oscar, and he said, look, I know I've made it really hard for you guys to like me. Was it his own self-awareness?

For him to do what he does, which I can't do, it's uncomfortable for him, and when people are uncomfortable, they don't act their best. Yeah. A lot of insecurity, too, right? Comes with acting sometimes, because people, they're so tormented, and then they're

so insecure about their performance or what they're doing, then they overcompensate with this confident sort of fake bravado, and then it, it's an ugly sort of cycle, because you're like, hey man, just be nice and cool. Right. Just be cool.

This is all just being nice. Yeah. It's a scary job. You could embarrass yourself every time they say action, and that could be on a huge screen that everyone could watch.

Let's all acknowledge. Yeah. It's a very vulnerable embarrassing endeavor. How will we navigate it? Yeah.

Were you in love with Brad Pitt? Like, I am? Oh, yeah. He's the best. Watching performances, you're lost, watching them while it's happening.

You're like, oh, I have a line coming in. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just watching. It's so good.

You can't. It's unbelievable. And then he's the nicest guy on top of it, and just a total pro, Brad's great. Can I ask about your girlfriend? Sure.

How long were you guys together?

“Well, are you talking about my girlfriend passed away?”

Yes. We were together for three or four years. This is one of the craziest ways I've ever heard someone's died. Is her airbag went off, and it was defective? Oh.

Yeah. Yeah. I had a recall on the airbag, and what would have been a fender bender, probably most people would survive. Yeah.

She was essentially shot by the airbag. Oh, my God. That's horrifying. And how are you juggling what I would imagine? For me, if I were you at 28, you just finished Ferry.

I was on another film set at the time. And as you know, being on a film set when someone passes or something happens, it's really tough. And this had happened before, actually. I had lost Paul Walker on Ferry, and he was one of my, oh, you guys were close friends.

And you're on a film set, you don't have time to grieve because the show must go on. You might be shooting the happiest scene your character has in our after you hear this. Yeah. So you can't fly home, you stock your, you've got to work.

I got the call actually during a filming day.

“And I think I did a classic defense mechanism, just pot that, totally heart metal.”

Caramelized that to later. Yeah. That's going to be miserable. I'm going to deal with that at some point. That's not today.

Yeah. Brutal Avenue deal with that, and then not being able to go through that. I grieve later, and that's not a great thing, because I think you do want to grieve with the people that are around that you didn't know that we're part of their lives as well.

Yeah. That's an important part of the grieving process. I agree. It's kind of the sweetest, nicest part. And then you go to the funeral, and you think that's going to be miserable, was like

many of these people that already want the same thing. It can be weirdly beautiful if you get to do that part. I never got to do it. I think I compartmentalized it so much. I couldn't go to the, I don't actually remember if I couldn't because of filming or if

I'm just completely blacked it out, but I had to process that grief later. That was tough. If I were you, and I was in that situation, there'd be some interesting balance between having just done fury. I'm going to say, things are finally going great.

And I would have been like, oh, right. Yeah. I don't get to have anything great. Like that. She's going to drop, and here it is.

Do you have the kind of shoes going to always drop mentality?

No, no. Maybe with my parents a little bit because they're older, and that's does scare me being on a film side and having to deal with that. I don't think people talk enough, like, you know, you know, you're could be in a hotel room across the globe.

It's a lonely, you have it, right?

Oh my gosh.

“And it's months, sometimes, if limit out of a hotel room, and it's like that, and then”

you combine what happens in real life, because I had to ask and you miss things.

It's tough. Yeah. The thing that started getting to me about it was I felt like, well, A was so fun for a while. I just loved going out town.

I love the bubble. I love the anonymity. I love that. I don't have to deal with any of my problems for two months. Like, that's all the upside.

That's very attractive. But I kept feeling like, oh, I'm just hitting pause on my life all the time. It's like, I'm taking these two and three month pauses where my real life can't really grow and exist in have roots and propel forward, because I've hit pause. Yeah, you're missing people's birthdays, weddings.

You're missing kids, graduation from high school, you're missing all the things of life. So there is a toll. You pay for doing that and having this called fantasy pause thing. Yeah. But you do pay for it.

Yeah. It's a very punctuated existence and then there's like the slow down, too, which I find can be, if you're not careful and you don't stay for me, I got to stay busy. I got to stay active. I got to stay moving and doing things.

“The heightness of being on set and everything's happening.”

Go, go, go, go. Or only like you're pretending right now, you're getting ambushed by Nazis during the day. It's pretty heightened. Yeah, in this movie.

Oh, in this movie. Yeah. Did you at all wrestle? And to me is if you took my girlfriend from me at three years, I might have idealized that and made that something that really kind of no one could compete with because it

was taken and I don't know where it was going to go. So I just think in the absence or when something's taken from you like that, did that mess with you at all? Yeah, I mean, losing somebody when you're that intimate with them and you think they're

just an incredible person and you admire them and you share time with that person.

It's always tough. I have lost a lot of people in my life. I lost a pretty good friend in my late late teens. I've just lost a lot of people. Yeah.

And maybe I've become better at accepting life and death because I've gone through it a few times. Yeah. I don't know if I answered that question. We did.

I just think when relationships don't run their natural course, that's confusing. It's confusing. I probably put a wallet. Or they end up because of a reason you would have picked, but they had the end. They can become just a little abstract in your mind.

Yeah. And when I'm a business. Yeah. Maybe a little delusion about it, I think, as well. The mind's got a very powerful way of remembering all the nice parts.

All the nice parts. Yeah. You're kind of forgetting. My wife will forget I clear my throat every nine minutes. In a year, she'll forget I did that.

And she must have killed you. It didn't. It doesn't. Yeah. But yeah.

Or no. Really what happens is she'll remember it and just be like, I miss it.

“I mean, that's what that's what I'm all about.”

I mean, yeah. She can bins herself. She liked the throat. Well, sometimes I do that when I'm around my parents and they're driving me nuts. I do say, like, I'm going to miss this one day.

Yeah. So it's like good to remind yourself in those moments. I don't know how you feel about ghosts or if you believe in them at all. I'd probably for years was like, that's not a thing. Yeah.

But I got to go to a healer in Bali and have an experience, only summarized by it was an out of body experience with the people I have lost. Wow. Wow. And I would recommend her to anyone and everyone that is planning going there.

You have to book her out because she's very in demand, but it is an incredible out of body experience. So I feel like I've gotten to see some of the people from my parents. Is the experience a joyful experience or is it more of a piece of mind experience? I, oh, good.

They're still floating around. Like, what is the takeaway? They both of those things. It's highly emotional. It's most clear-headed, but also the most lucid you've ever been.

It's hard to. Is there a San Coke at the same time? Zero. No, no, no. Yeah, I know.

Comparing these things is more powerful than any drug. Wow. And there's no drugs involved. Zero drugs. Zero drugs.

And I feel always woo-woo, like telling people that.

But I'm like, people have to understand. People have to get to experience this because it's so beautiful. We're going to get you to go. Have you been a Bali? One time with my mom.

Okay. I'd like to go as a grown-up big boys. Okay. Let's see your dad if you go. Oh, I would love that.

I really would love that. And if you can work, I'll get that. That's amazing.

Wow.

Now that you said that I'm intrigued.

Yeah. I want to apologize. You get some peace and close.

“Are you conversing or it's like more, maybe you came and put it in.”

You have to experience it. Yeah, experience it. Okay. Wow. That's incredible.

That's incredible. I'm glad you got that. It's a great lesson for people listening, right? That's like, say the thing you want to say. Pick up the phone.

Tell me love of even if you're in a fight or pissed off. They can be around forever. And that might be a regret. Yeah. The math you don't do is like, oh, I'm going to be living long after.

And I will live with all those decisions. Yeah. Okay. This is just a full circle thing that I must acknowledge because I have been telling my daughters for seven years that the song "Wildestreams" is about me.

Then we interview Alexander Scott and he found, oh my god. That song is actually about him. Really? Yeah. Yeah.

That's what that song about. That's the lore. Did they date? They had a dust up like you and Chia. No.

But it wasn't broken up. And after he does stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. He's so tall and handsome as hell. I'm surprised when you did the video. She didn't like go hate the other way. You're playing Alexander Scott.

So you can be as tall as possible. Stand up a little bit more. He's prepared highly of her. Yeah. But anyways, what full circle.

“So I finally met who was actually about.”

And now I'm meaning you who is in the video. Yeah. How do you know it wasn't about me? You will exactly. It seems like this song predates the video.

I could figure that out. Yeah. I could have been a romance. And she wrote a song about you and then she cast you. Exactly.

She did cast me. Are you here to break the news? Oh, this is the moment. Is this the fire you want to play? It's almost okay.

It's not okay. You write the stakes of that. Yeah. Boy, that's the thing, right? The stakes of even dating Taylor Swift is you could have a song written about it.

That's right. And you could have the Swifties love or hate you forever until the end of time. That's right. And if you take a red scarf or something, whatever the line is. You are.

No, no, no. How did you get that? She just picked up the phone and called me. She did. And did she say to you, oh, I saw you in blank.

Well, first off, she called.

I had no pre-warning. You know, a lot of times people are like, hey, somebody wants to call you and then they call you. And they're like, okay, I'll take that call. She was like, hey, this is Taylor Swift. It's like, I'm no number.

What? Okay. Wow. What a call. It's so cool.

Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. I might need to face time. Yeah.

I was intrigued because of the creative behind the video.

“So mostly, too, she wanted to do like an out of Africa type thing, right?”

It was like this cinematic film. The music industry. They don't do that anymore. It's not the 90s. And we don't have these big sort of videos.

There's only a couple artists like Taylor Swift that you can do that or afford to make these sort of things. And then I remember telling my agents, and none of them wanted me to. They were like, this is a bad idea. Do not seem like a vertical step. Yeah.

They're like, do not do a Taylor Swift music video. And I said, now, you know, I don't agree. Think that she's cool. And she has a really cool idea for this thing. And I think it's a cool creative thing.

Yeah. Yeah. Good for you. That would have been a regret. Did you hang with her on satin stuff?

I did. Did you enjoy her company? She's amazing. She's a monster man. I'm in awe of her.

She's incredible. How many faster have you done? Two, three. I've been in two. Even in two.

Is there another one coming? So they say, wow. That would be faster. 11. Maybe fast.

10 part dose. Okay. 11. Wait. You didn't meet Paul.

No. I knew Paul since I was probably like what I was 18. 17 18 surfing surfing. Jiu Jitsu. We were just kind of brothers.

He was like a mentor to me. He was like a big brother. He just was like a great mentor to me. In the business in life, we would go surf the channel islands together. We would go down to Mexico and surf.

And then it was post when he died that I came in and did this thing for fast. So it was very nostalgic. Yeah. That's lovely. What's that set like?

Oh, no. Big. Yeah. A lot of personalities. Yeah.

A lot of personalities. They've been doing it for like what? It's 25 or 30 years now. It's a very unique property. Very unique.

Vin Diesel. No disrespect. He's an enormous movie star. I mean, he's probably like the highest paid movies are other than Downey.

Yet he's only in those movies. Those are his thing. He's in like a TV show. Episodic TV. Yes.

Biggest. Yep.

Every episode's a billion dollars.

How lucky. Again, I'm like that. Yeah. One character for 30 years. You make like 500 million dollars.

Oh, my God. Not one. Yeah.

How do you do? How do you do with all the alpha energy? I'm good with it. I don't try to. I just say, lock horns.

You stick out of me. You guys do whatever you're going to do. I'll be where you need me when you need one. This little. He does that.

I'll be here on set. Hang it out. Stay tuned for our share expert. If you dare.

This is your second movie with this guy, Rod Lori.

Yeah, Rod Lori. Tell me about him. Why is he making only more movies? You know, Rod started out in the 80s or 90s as a filmmaker. I don't know if you remember movies like the contender.

Nothing but the truth. But these were movies at the time in the 90s. He really likes boxing, politics, and war. Uh-huh.

“Those are, I think, like, the three things.”

It may be football, right? So you'd tell what you know. At the time, he would put up for like one of these movies we're going to win an Oscar. Steven Spielberg was like, this is the guy. And, you know, he made some great movies.

And then like any director, you know, you get cold in the business. You go to jail for a minute. You go to director jail. Thank you for clarifying out. Like he went to jail.

And he went to jail. He went to jail. He went to jail. He went to jail as a little bit. You're doing a wedding overlap when I was in there for the chips.

Yeah, you know, he stayed a great writer.

And he's come back kind of as a director.

And I worked with him on the outpost, which a good film. It was a big bummer because that film came out in 2020. Yeah. In March 2020. Oh, my God.

Yeah. Oops. Yeah. And I remember actually, I was in Australia. And I flew home because our movie got into South by Southwest.

And it was premiering opening night. Yeah, baby. And it was a good movie. Yeah. It was a good movie.

True story. Two metal of honor winners. Put an Afghanistan. Yep. Afghanistan.

And we got so screwed. I remember getting all the ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. As you got off the plane. And it was like the festival's canceled.

“And I was like, what do you mean the festival's canceled?”

That's insane. Why? You know, like, what do you mean if you've been living in Iraq? And I was like, what do you mean? Yeah.

And they're like, yeah. They shut it now. And they shut it down. And it became a sleeper hit on VOD. And it didn't.

I really liked working with Rod. And actually there's a funny story because I had done a few warm movies. When he offered this movie Lucky Strike to me. He started with, it's a world war to me. Uh-uh.

Let me stop you right there. I've done my tours. Yeah. Okay. I've done a pacific.

I did tank movie in Europe. I've done Afghanistan now. I said, I'm done. I'm done for a while. I got to take a break.

I'm not going to do any more war. It's from it. And then he said, thank you. She read it. And I said, no, no.

I'm good. Thank you. I said, I wish you the best. Viacondeos. Please find the next guy who can do this.

He'll do it better than I will. And then about three weeks go by. And my agent calls me and says, hey man. I think he's really read this. Like he's right.

It's really good. I said, we're like, I got to read this. Okay. I said, I'm going to read it. And then I'm going to like it.

Exactly. And I read it. And it's great. And then you shipped off. So where did you guys shoot that?

We shot that in Bulgaria. Bulgaria. Bulgaria. Oh, appropriate. Because it's about the battle of the bulge.

And we almost have the whole Bulgaria. Are you like that? Yeah. I think that. I made all that work.

Liberation with the energy. Yeah. So it's set in World War II, December 1944. The wars coming to a closeish coming to closeish.

“I mean, everyone was, I think, kind of like, this was the last push.”

We got the Nazis on the ropes. We need to make one last push. It was going into winter, which typically, I don't think, even Ukraine and Russia are fighting. And those guys don't fall during winter. Yeah.

I don't even know what's going on. They don't even fight during winter. It was last push. We got to keep going forward. It was just pre battle of the bulge.

It's a story about a whole group of guys that got wiped out. And there was one sole survivor that got trapped behind enemy lines for three or four days. And I don't want to give way to the true story, right? It is. Our producer Mark Friedman was a lovely friend.

He was a lovely French guy who was living in France. He's older gentlemen. But he was living there. Post World War II. And he interviewed a bunch of guys who was a writer.

And he took down this account, this incredible account of, of a soldier's experience behind enemy lines on the French Belorean border.

I don't want to say too much. Well, I think what's relevant is, yeah, your unit gets ambush and killed. And you have a radio, you have this is a motor roll, it's brand new, right? It's true. It was brand new technology for the time.

And you call in and they go, great. We're also under heavy fire. Your extraction point or where you should meet up with us is 30 kilometers away, which is 18 miles.

If fucking World War II dude, like even your close suck.

Yeah, I want you to last night.

“And I'm like, not good enough close to be fighting in the winter.”

No, you have more text now. Well, these water proof that you're just in like fucking cotton. Just everything's wet. Just cold and wet. You got half gloves on, but those are useless.

Was it freezing where you were actually shooting? It was. I had made a promise. By the way, to go back to why I told Rod no, I'm not doing this movie. I made a promise.

I was not doing another movie in Bulgaria, especially. I can winter. Yeah. I broke all your promises. I broke all your promises.

Yeah. I don't want to do a summer move. Yeah. Yeah. It was going straight to deployment daily to the mountains.

Shooting. And it just was endure the suck as they say. Yeah. You're crawling up mountains on your hands and knees. You're flying off shit.

You're getting more and more injured throughout the whole thing. More crawling. More cold. I did find silver lining.

You always do any time you're telling stories where people died and sacrifice themselves for our country.

It comes with like a heavier weight. And I also find it. They might not be making World War Two movies in 20 years from now. We actually don't even have half the equipment anymore to make them with. Everything is either broken.

You can't find it.

“It's harder and harder to make these movies.”

So, you know, okay. This might be the last time I ever do a World War Two movie. Let's pay it some respect. Yeah. Let's honor that.

Yeah. Let's honor that. I was thinking that a lot during it. I'm like, okay, 1944 or 18 years away from it. It would be in a hundred years.

And for me, World War Two is very alive. Because both my grandma, my grandpa, my mom's side was in the battle of the bulge. He ran transmission wire. My other grandpa is in the Pacific. So it was like, World War Two is a thing dude.

My grandparents were in it. They told me stories. I saw pictures. But certainly, yeah. No one now.

Now it's going to be a war like we think of the revolutionary war. We never met anyone from that. What? Is that even real? It's just in history books.

So yeah. I think you're right. I was having that thought. Like, I wonder how many more World War Two movies will be before. You really?

I don't know. That war was about a trillion years ago. Tough times. And hard, hard people. I feel like we've gone away from that because we have such good times in this country.

Because of what they did. Well, I loved it. I watched it. And I like a war movie man. I spend the entire time going like, "Could I end in what I do it?"

You're just evaluating the whole time like, "Yeah, what the heck?" I keep going. It's hard. It's kind of unimaginable. Yeah.

You've got a pretty sweet Sprinter van. I don't. You don't have that. No. I had a air stream.

Oh, you had an air stream. I had an air stream. And in the same trailer park that Matthew McConaughey. Himalaboo. No.

Oh, in Texas. Oh, in Texas. In Texas. On Barton Springs. Oh, God.

Not directly across from Black. But close. Close to Terry Blacks. Yeah. Okay.

No, it well. And I've eyed it like it does in times to see if I'm trying to figure out if I could pull my two or bus in there if it's big enough for that. Were there any 45 footers in there? Hmm.

Mine was 33 feet. I know there was bigger two of us in there. Okay. The hard part is getting a spot. And now they do have nightly spots.

They do reserve that you can get in there. That's what I was looking at doing. Yeah. Ah. What is it, Monica?

Thank you. What is it? It says with Barton Springs and Matthew McConaughey. And all the things you just said was like. Yeah.

I live at Barton Springs when I'm there. Do you love it? I do love it. It's a little busy for me. Okay.

Where I would just go up to a buddy's house on the lake. They call it the river. Yeah. Like Austin. This is actually the Colorado River.

That's right. So I would just go do that in the same water. Yeah. More or less. But yeah.

To spring. It's always 69 degrees. It's true. More to look out there. It is actually.

It is beautiful. I would try to go earlier or late, just because it's show packs sometimes. Burning man. Yep. I saw some photos of Burning man done that a few times.

Yeah. How's that? Great interest in going. Did you do it the like fancy way? That's what I want to do.

I've done it both.

The first time I did it was the very fancy private plane to another private plane.

Yeah. Landing on the desert with a car right to your thing. Very cool. How do I get that experience? I'm looking up with whoever's your call.

Done. You're in. Is that Taylor Swift? Did she ever call me? Yeah.

I don't know. I don't know. Taylor Swift's been. I'm going to guess no. And then you've done the tent version.

Not the tent. Okay. But we did the drive in. Like hey, we're going to do the whole thing. Whole week.

She might have been a little ambitious. Oh, my little, a little much burning man. Yeah.

“What's the right dosage of burning man like three days?”

I think three days. But I think it's two nights.

Perfect. Okay. Good tip.

The real burners would like shoot me for something.

Yeah. No, there's a shoot away. And then jujitsu. All I'm even doing jujitsu. Man, since I was in my early 20s, 223.

Are you a black belt? I haven't got my black belt yet. You haven't got my black belt yet. Yeah. Yeah.

I have sort of dodge and weave. It's funny. It's like the longer you do it, you realize the more you don't know. And it's just like anything. You're like, you still feel like a beginner.

No matter what level you're at, because there's very different levels of black belts. And you're like, oh man, that's just like a permission to still learn. And the guy trained under for 20 years, Nelson Montiera. He's a coral belt. And he's core 60 years old.

And he's ripped and he'll tuck you up. And his name and his legacy. He wants only the best. Yeah. All these guys.

Any of the get the Machado brothers. Any of these guys. It's the same thing. It's like they're not going to give you something you haven't earned. Yeah.

If you're representing the Gracie family, you better be fucking good. Yeah. Is this how you broke your ankle before. Opposed? No.

I didn't drink in accident. I think that might have been a drinking accident. Both of the best. I don't know what he's talking about. Oh, no.

Was it like a bird scooter? Oh, is that what the, I'm going to let you go. It was jammered and drive scooters around. And then they wake up and they need to MCL. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

So he's like, I've never been on a scooter.

Let's go for the first time. Let's go 30 miles an hour for the first time hammered. That's very common. This is smart. Yeah.

How did you break your ankle? How did I break my ankle? This is a big, this is the most secret. Have you been this whole interview? This is a scoop.

How we broke it. It's a long time ago.

“Here's the thing about divulging too much about that.”

His dad broke his ankle. There we go. That little incident shut down the movie for a while. But we got a back on track. And we made the movie.

That's what matters most. Yes. What matters is by the end of the movie. You're able to run on it for a few scenes for a few scenes. It kind of screwed up the director.

You fall off a staircase.

Are there legal ramifications for telling us? There just might be you are saying a lot. I'm not saying any of these things. How abstract we've interviewed a lot of people that are gorgeous and it varies. I'm being serious.

Many of them are convinced they're not good looking. Famously, he told it on here. But Bradley Cooper, when they got nominated for sexies. They're not nominated. When he won sexiest man alive.

One. He could go one. He fought in one. He really thought that there was like a bit of a foot. There was a joke.

They're fucking with me. And like, Cooper, how many girls need to want to fight you before you? I know. It's true. Recognize that that looks like warrants it.

Yeah.

“What is your relationship with this being handsome?”

When people say I think I get uncomfortable? Yeah. It's going to be handsome. Well, thank you. That's nice.

But I also don't take compliments well. And you notice that. Yeah. My dad and I both don't take compliments well. We're like, OK, great.

But we've got to go to work. Yeah. Thanks for all that. We're going to go make a movie. You're allergic to indulgences.

Yeah. We don't do that. But there's a few different motivations for that. Like, one is I don't feel worthy of that compliment. It doesn't do anything for you.

I don't feel better because you said this. Yeah. So it's kind of pointless. I guess because you can't control how you look. But you can control how you affect people, what you put out there.

And the inner is whether you do good, whether you create art. So that sort of stuff. I think if someone said, hey, I watch your movie. It really affected me. I lost a father or I connected with this.

Yeah, I would have it. Or maybe laugh, shit, who cares? Yeah. That's more interesting to me. And I said, oh my gosh, I'm so glad that affected you.

I'm so glad we could do something that made your life better. That's more interesting of a compliment to me than. Yeah. So I didn't earn it.

“That's why I want to ask because I think it's complicating.”

Because everyone in the world would love to be beautiful. Right. But you know, you know, being famous. You're like a zoo animal after a while. You're like, why has that been looking at me?

Oh, I forgot.

You're like, yeah. You know, you're like, yeah.

“Quite just relax when you're in public because you're like, oh, shit.”

Well, I see something in there. Listen, you know, there's a lot of complicated. I was to be like, you know, everyone wants to be famous. You don't want to be famous. Want to be rich.

Yeah. Yeah. Who doesn't want to be rich? You know, not to worry about where you get your next sandwich from. Yes.

But being famous. That's not really. That's the famous Bill Murray quote. If you're thinking about becoming rich and famous, I'm the rich part.

Yeah. You'd also already been disillusioned. Let's be honest. 100%. Yeah.

You'd already watched in your home the impact of that. I saw the bullshit.

My dad could never sit down for dinner and have a meal without a hundred people coming

up to him. Yeah. He's very gracious. But at the same time, it does wear on you at some point. Yeah.

I'm having a meal with my family. There's a price you pay. Like you said, you saw the bullshit on the other side of it. Oh, so you know, you kind of look like you hit me a few times in the movie last night. And then it hit me.

It's hit me here on the camera. Look at him on three. Oh, that would be fun. Will you count to three? But three, two, one.

Then we say. Okay. Okay. Three, two, one. Anthony's star.

Oh. We didn't even get yours. Mine was tearing at Edgar. I think you look a lot like him. Okay.

Both are very. Who do you say? I said Anthony's star. Tony's star from the boys. Tom Lander.

Did you ever got no lander?

No. Do you watch the boys? I do watch the boys. I watch. Yeah.

Fucking great. You don't get either of these. He's a beast. He's a beast. He's a beast.

He's a bad one. He's his home lander. The big Superman character. Yeah. The big.

Big. Well, Scott, this has been a blast. I love like you strike. If you love more movies, you're going to fucking love this. It comes out June 26 nationwide.

And I guess did you travel here for this? Are you on a little tour? I'm doing a bunch of stuff. Yeah. I've got to leave the East Coast to go do press and make my rounds.

Okay. What was it to light today? Yeah. I think it's coming. This has been great.

Good luck with the movie.

And we'll see you again when you do the press. I'm going to pass the 11. Everybody get some stuff. What? You know what?

“Would you like me as a kind of guy that would bring something?”

No. No. We've got this supplement company. Oh. I got you guys both things.

Oh. Oh. What does this supplement do for me? Obviously. Well, it's an all-in-one.

It's an all-in-one. North performance. Why North performance? It's fine. You're North.

Okay. Like you're North star. Yeah. I don't know about you guys, but I take a ton of supplements. And my very wealthy buddy got sick of doing it.

And it was like, let's make it all-in-one. Oh, you got creatin in this bit. I love France. So you get everything. You know, you don't forget.

You're like, okay. One thing in the morning. And then you're like, hit your foundation. I don't see Tesla Moreland in here or if a Moreland or SS31 or Tesla. Where are those?

Who's going to inject you in front of me? He knows. He's doing it. Yeah. All right.

Thanks, brother. Yeah. That was well.

“Just a quick reminder that as part of our summer break,”

here's a rerun of one of our favorite fact checks. Here we are. Welcome home. Back in the attic. Is there famous welcome home song?

Well, come home home home home home home home home home home. Yeah. That's our cure all songs. That's right. There's that Edward Sharp home song.

How's that one going? I love that song. I don't think he's. Well, home is where I will. That's my knife melody.

My favorite song of all time. Talking heads. Which by the way, this fresh off the press. This is a couple hours old. Driving the kids at school this morning.

Yeah. And there is a new version of my very favorite song. This must be the place by the talking heads. It's by sure sure. Can I play?

Yes. It's an exciting version of that. Woo. Yeah. I like that part.

I like that part. It's me. You're really taken. You're like you're rewriting the Bible for me on this one. You're re-making Godfather.

This is a dangerous endeavor. And they passed my test. It's very playful. Incredibly playful. You should even hear how it takes up.

I don't want to bore everyone. The entire song. But boy, does it take off the playfulness? Mm-hmm. Exciting.

It's an ordered Calvin Abandon that says this must be the place yesterday. You did. It's like a camping banner. Wow. Be.

Like your camp. A flag. Like a flag. No. Yeah.

Yeah. Like you declare like camp rascal. Like that's the division. That is Rob's camp. Of course it is.

Can't breathe. Can't breathe. Do you want to be old about your pants? Speaking of rascal.

“I mean, I think you would be way better off describing my pants.”

Okay. So you bought some out there. And you've made an alteration yourself. I thought these pants were going to be like thin summer linen. Blin it.

Blin it. Okay. And when they came, they were so volume us around the haunches. And then up like mid cave at the end. They were crazy looking.

I put these on. I was like, what do we do with these? And I spent a good deal money on them. Sure. So they were sitting right as they do with things I spent a lot of money on.

I can't accept that I'm never going to wear them.

Yeah. And then I think on Friday. I was like, let's cut a foot or two off these and see where we're at. Yeah. And I did that.

And then I wore them all day Friday. And I just love how they feel. And they're either hideous looking on me. Or they work. I can't tell.

No. I actually don't think it's either or. Oh, okay. Because they're not hideous. Okay.

And of course they work. They. Well, I mean, is there covering my genitals? Yeah. But they are intriguing.

They're one-offs. I mean, they're original. They are. Because they hit you at a bat. They're one-off.

Let me stand up. Let me stand up. Let's get a real. That's not. Yes.

Okay.

“But four inches below the knee five inches?”

Yeah. But it's definitely two-thirds the way up the cabin shin. Right. Three-quarters of the way up. You know what you're doing?

Why? You're being Brad Pitt. You're being so out there with your fashion right now. And you even called it. You said, oh, I'm going to be wearing it.

I'm going to be wearing skirts here in a minute. And that's it. I'm. You're right. I'm inching towards.

Wow. I could in fact just have these seams opened up.

You have them join and have my first skirt.

Oh. Okay. Okay. Okay. This might be the first iteration of this car.

I think so. It's definitely that billowy material that works for us. Your comfortable is all get out. I mean, I'm really comfortable in these. That's good.

I slept in these last night. If you got to know the culture is sure. And then I woke up and I ran out of time. I look. I was in this outfit when I dropped the kids off at school.

When I got out of the car, I was like, I'm going for it. Are my kids self-conscious about this outfit? That's very bread pity. Yeah. It's pity.

It's true. Real pity.

“And then ran in my good friend Scott Schaefer, who was an AD on parenthood.”

A great AD. And now is head of physical production at HBO. Cool. Hey, I just love seeing him because we're good friends. And then I get to talk to him about all the inside scoop at HBO, which is fun.

Yeah. Behind the curtain. But I was wearing this outfit. Well, two things happened. God.

And I was wearing it here. Yeah. That's wrong. Okay. Back up.

I have the new goal of waking up at 550 in the morning. So I can write for two hours before I go up to kids of at school. Well, I woke up at 450. Oh my God. Oh my God.

What am I going to now stay up to 450? And I knew we had a long day. So then I had to wrestle myself back to sleep, which meant I didn't wake up till 7, which means I only got to do my journal, not my prose writing and my meditation. Okay.

But pretty much ran out of the door. I hadn't even looked in the mirror. And I'm wearing the same outfit I slept in. Run into Scott. I'm like, I look like a bozo.

I look like a circus clown. That's just the outfit. Then I get back in the car. I don't normally have sleepies. Oh my God.

I looked in the rear of the mirror. As I got like, I was like. Fuck him. I had sleepies all. Poor Scott was talking to me in this crazy outfit.

And I had sleepies. He must have been grossed out. No, he wasn't. He must have thought I was a unhoused. No, he thought you were sleepy. That's what sleepy is mean.

I got meant car. And I was looking in there and I, why? Fuck I had a sleepy on my left. And I was like, oh, I got it. Was it right?

Was it really yellow? No, wasn't like a goober in the middle. It was literally below where like the folds of my Chubby eyelids would be. It looks like a little crust.

But why was it so gross? It's just that some cross. No, it's. Oh my God, people are going to stop listening. You're going to have to at some point.

No, it's fine. Do you know, shitty my pants. It's an audio podcast. They can't see your cross. But at some point, are they like, no, this guy's disgusting.

No. Okay. Well, that's what happens. You're not disgusting. A little embarrassed.

Sorry. That's open. That's okay. You weren't going to tell us that. You were going to tell us that.

You were going to tell us that.

That would have been something that never came up.

Why? Because you thought you might cry quiet quiet shame. I don't know. But I'm, it's out there.

Let's talk about your, the fact that you're home from your European vacation in massage.

And people are not going to. And massage. They're not going to be. Cool with us not asking an update.

“Because our last fact check ended with heavy speculation.”

That's right. And heavy encouragement. You've even, you've even ring on your finger. Yep. I am.

Oh my. It gives a huge development. I do have a new ring. Thank you for noticing Rob. It's a beautiful ring.

Shut now. Oh. Shut up to shut now. By myself. It was not by my massage therapist.

Okay. But I will give an update on. Please. Please. Please.

Can I suggest that you start on say Saturday when? You've now told Molly Amy and Kristen that you're seeing him. And they've all had massages by him. Right. I mean, I get sure.

They arranged it. Yes.

Because they've had these massages.

They believe it was a live changing massage. And so now they're starting to get really excited for you as the appointment closes. I want to point out that so much hype started building that you went into it. I don't know. But I think that's important.

Yes. It was very hyped up. But it's been hyped up for years. And then yeah, I'm going in. Okay.

Well, really.

“I think I was looking for it to disappoint.”

Okay. Yeah. I think a little part of me wanted it to be disappointing. So then. Well, I didn't tell the girls this.

I said it on here. Right. That it was early in his experience when he massaged them. But he has since ratcheted up his performance. Oh, my God.

And I didn't tell them that. You know what? I'm to feel like they got a bunk version. Yeah, but they did. Okay.

Because then. We already know that he looked up on Instagram. Yeah. Yes.

He looked me up on Instagram.

And we know that because last episode, you made a joke about the oil. Do I bring a lot of oil or not a lot of oil? Yes. And then I said, well, he looked at my Instagram. So I think he knows.

Okay. My massage was Sunday. So Saturday, he said tomorrow's the day. Yeah. For playing.

And I was like, Oh, yay. You know, I'm so excited. And so he sends me his address. Today is at his home. Yeah.

It's his home. But it's his studio. Sure.

“I'm not taking anything away from his home.”

It's just, it's not a brick and mortar store. No. Yeah. I arrived at a residence. Okay.

Yes. And I was early. Oh. I texted him. I'm early.

No rush, though. I'll just be standing outside the door. Sting up. So then he opens the door. He says, voila.

Oh, my god. That's how he greeted you. Oh, I don't remember. He said something. He had some bedhead.

Oh, interesting. But it looked good on. Yeah. Yeah. This guy's got a man.

I was like, he's hot. Okay. Yeah. Okay. They were right.

Yeah. He's objectively hot. Yeah. But also, like, in a French way, like, bedhead, like, then I come in. He picks out my shoes for me, like, my little sandals.

Oh, okay. Okay. Because you got to transfer from your, your street shoes. Yes. Okay.

He sits me on down on the couch. There's all these oils in front of me. Oh. And then he's just like wants to chat for a little bit. Great.

So then we're chatting. Okay. Yeah. He asked about Kristen. Sure.

Updates. Yeah. He asked what I do. So we, whatever. We're chatting.

And I'm feeling so on edge a little bit. Okay. Then he makes me pick out my oils. Okay. I pick a body oil.

And then also a scent oil. Sure. Lavender. I picked lavender for my body. And then this, like, kind of woodsy one.

Okay. The whiskey. Yeah. What? He doesn't speak great English.

Mm-hmm. Which is kind of great. Yeah. So then he leads me into this other room, the sauna. Okay.

That's in his home. Yeah. It's part of his studio. No, I know. I know.

I'm not being demeaning. No, I know you're not. I'm just telling you. How big is the sauna? Big.

It's infrared. I help him learn the word infrared. Great. We go in there. Now, both people are getting something out of this experience, which is great.

He says 20 minutes in the sauna, and then you'll shower. There's a shower. Oh my god. I'm from of cameras. And.

And I said, okay, do I wear this? So there's a robe hanging. Yeah. And I said, do I wear this robe? And he said, no.

Like, he, like, really hated the idea of me wearing the robe in the sauna. Yes, yeah. So of course. And so I said, oh, okay. Yeah.

And he said, no. Like, he kept saying, no. He doesn't say naked. Yeah. That's like, guess an American word.

And then he said, you can wear this.

And there's just like, a little kind of paper underwear. Okay.

“If you want to wear this, you can wear this.”

And he said, and then you'll put on the robe. Right. You can wear this underwear if you want, but it's better. If you're gay. Yes.

Yes. Of course. And does he stay in the room? No. No.

Okay. No. Okay. Okay. I think he sense that maybe I was a little about the nudity.

Yeah. So he said, you'll be covered with a towel the whole time. I said, okay. Great. At this point, I'm like, I'm just going to have to surrender to this experience.

Because I will say, when he texted me tomorrow is the day. Yeah. I thought, is there a world in which Kristen has told him to have sex with me? Oh, right. And I really did not like that.

A charity case. Yeah.

I have a lot of baggage about being a charity case.

Yeah. And so, and also, it was just like, no. Like, I don't want that. I'm making the decisions. Yes.

Yes. So I had some fear about that. So I went in being like, I need to make it pretty clear. I'm not interested in that. Right.

So anyway, he leaves the room I get into the sauna. And it's really nice. Yeah. And then I get in the shower.

“And then I was confused about the shower because I'm like, do I wash my hair?”

I thought he was going to do some hairplay. And I don't want my hair to be wet during hairplay. Of course. So then I do get my hair wet, but I don't wash it. And I wash my body and then I put on the robe.

And I get put some makeup on it. No. Not my perfume. No. You're in the opposite head space.

No, no, no. It's so obvious you weren't in that head space. This is why I made that show. Things you take a turn. So then I, I can't go in.

I go in. Oh, he asked me. He says, do you want the music with lyrics or without? Okay, right? And I was like, I don't know.

You know what? Yeah. What do you think?

It's my first time in your apartment.

Reminding everyone that he has referred to this as an experience many times. He was like, this is an experience. Like sometimes people cry and feel free to have all the emotions you're going to have. Okay. Okay.

So then I pick with lyrics. Okay. Go in. He tells me to lay down and put the towel on. And I look.

And like, in American massages, you get under a sheet. That's right. And it's like really covering your whole body. You slide under that sheet. Yeah.

Like some Brooklyn. A beautiful Brooklyn. Yeah. This was not that. It was a towel.

Yep. That you would just dry it off or even towel. Okay. But it's, you know, a towel doesn't cover that. It's not like it's flowing off the table.

It's just covering my body. Yeah. Comes in. Turns on the music. It's already.

It smells so good. That woodsy oil smells lovely. Yeah. And it was.

“Is it instantaneously connected and hot and lovely?”

Yeah. It is. He puts the towel down. And does he go down all the way past your butt? Yes.

Right out of the gates. Yes. So you're just, your whole back is totally exposed. Yes. Oh, my gosh.

Okay. And I was like, okay. Okay. Here we go. Let's go.

And he does like, he'd massage this sort of to the, to the music. It was so, so sensual. I mean, it's extremely. Wow. And he massaged everything.

Is that. You have a chance. You have a chance. Okay. But when he was on your butt cheeks,

dizzy. How close are you getting to your English? My butt holes. Yes. I wasn't like, oh, yeah.

Your finger is touching my butt hole. Right. Okay. Good. But all the whole thing.

Well, so the back's the back. The back's the back. You can only get so crazy. Yeah. Now it's time to flip.

Oh. Okay. So I whispered to turn over. Oh. And I do.

And there's multiple seconds before the towel comes back down. Oh, Rob. But where are your, what's your heart rate at right now? He's just staring. Oh, my God.

And does he make eye contact with you? Well, I'm eyes are closed. You, okay. You can just feel that he's staring. It's not like he, you flipped and he walked to another side of the room.

No, no, no. He lifted the towel. And it could roll over. Yep. All the way on your back.

What I'm used to with the flip. They say on the side. They lift the towel. They're on the same. They're like keeping the towel still pretty.

I mean, the sheets still very close to the. So you're kind of squarming together. This is not that. The towel comes up. Right. You flip over.

Out in the open. I flip over. And then I'm there for some time before the towel comes back. How long do you think? Five full seconds.

Four out of five.

Three one thousand four. Yes. Wow.

“What's happening at your titillation meter?”

Just being bare nude in front of him.

Knowing he's just enjoying the show. Well, at that time. Since it was like halfway through. You're warmed up. Yeah.

Yeah. I was. You were no hurry for it to him. I wasn't. It was fascinating.

That's very erotic. It was incredibly erotic. Just someone deciding they'd like to stare at you nude. Might be more erotic. It's exciting.

Yes. Then even like touching in the middle of kissing. This is such a weird thing to say. But I feel like we had sex. I really.

Because of the level of intimacy and exposing yourself and trust. It was so intimate. Stay tuned for more armchair expert. If you dare. There was one thing he did.

I was facing up. He was put his hands under my back and lifts you up a little bit. Yeah. So you're arching. Yeah.

Oh my goodness.

But your breasts are now being jutted out.

Everything's out. Right. And then see pulls your back up. They're now shooting out. Right.

Am I understanding this? Like he's kind of rolling your spine. Yes.

“It was like what you would do during sex.”

Yeah. Yeah. That he did not touch my vagina. Okay. Very clear about that.

Great. Now tell me about the breast portion. Yeah. He was rubbing your breasts. Yes.

Over the Nipples and everything. Yes. All right. This he do men's. I don't know if he's over done on the band.

I don't know how. I need it. Did you feel like you might climb? Experience any of this. Um.

You were too afraid to go like fuck it. Let's go for it. Let's embrace it and actually try to climb. You weren't willing to go do that. No.

Could you have climb X? I guess that's a question. Um. My body was ready. Yes.

That's that's all I can. Oh. Oh. You're comfortable saying. Sure.

It's very hard to explain. It was like if something actually crossed the line. Yeah. You would have ruined it. Yeah.

Yeah. I feel you. I got you. Yeah. You guys were on the perfect line between inappropriate and appropriate.

I mean, you're on the other side of appropriate. But not like whatever you're about to mind. Exactly. Also, if anyone has the opportunity. Oh, yeah.

Take it. Don't miss it. I'm going to send my mom to him. Your mom would love it. I know.

I wonder if he would give her the same treatment he gave you. I mean, probably not. I mean, I love to believe he's just like a spreader of joy and eroticism and that he would give my mother that same. Yeah.

But he wanted. Well, he did. Well, no, he certainly wanted to date you. Well, he said after he said. You have a perfect body.

And I was glad he said it after. Yes. Yeah. Not during. Right.

It was once I had my rope back on. We were out of the room. Yes.

“And then am I right that he asked what you were doing?”

Yeah. But I think that was just innocuous. Yeah. Yeah. So I was doing later.

Exactly. You said. Exactly. That was a little five six minutes after. Yeah.

Rob, that was a request for a date. Yeah. Once he said, I had a perfect body. I was incredibly flattered. Yeah.

I was. You were on your floating. I was already. A mask. Yeah.

Yeah. And so he then he said that. And I was like, I got to go. I got to go. Like I got to go.

Right. Yeah. Wow. This is one of the best stories over her on this show. It was a big day.

It was funny because of your joke about massaging the boots. Was so clearly a joke. And then. So when that was a real thing happening, I was like, I can't believe it.

It was actually happening right now. That he did need to bring a certain amount of value. All right. Exactly. Okay.

So here's what I thought might happen.

So you were very clear on all your things. And then you left. And it was perfect. It was perfect. My prediction.

And it wasn't like a 70% I wasn't a bat. Like if I was doing odds in Vegas, I had a 30% thought that you're going to have like a full half day to marinate on the post kind of euphoria of it all.

And then he'd reach out and he'd say like,

“How are you feeling after your experience?”

And then I thought there's a 30% chance that the thing could still take a turn that evening. Right. Did he reach out that evening? He reached out, but it wasn't that evening.

It was later, but it wasn't like late. Okay. It wasn't while you were having a glass of wine. No. I didn't want that.

I know. I know you didn't.

I've never leave you a thousand percent.

I just think it's hard for you to understand that. As a yes. Yeah. I don't even say it's a guy. As me.

Yeah. So anyways, you came home. What an experience. So it defected after all the hype that build up. It was everything they said.

And then beyond that. And I will say I asked him how long have you been doing this. And he said this three years. Massage 17 years. Wow.

So when he said he is doing something different. He is doing something different. Yes. Yeah. I didn't think though.

“Like if I had a boyfriend and I went to France and I had this experience.”

Yeah. Yeah. It would have I think felt like. I just cheated. A little.

It really does like. It's like, oh, I'm awake. Right. I'm on line. Yeah.

What a guy. It was something. It was something. I was not expecting to be able to report all of that back. I thought it would just like, yeah.

It was like a little hyped up. But it was great.

I expected it to be like an incredible massage.

But this, it wasn't that. It was an experience by God. It did cross my, I got to tell you because I'm so protective of you. Yeah. The only thing I thought is like, okay.

So I'm 30% chance some wine happens. You're not on the pill anymore. Oh, I know. That's what crossed my mind. Are you going to come up right now?

No. It's good. Luckily, abortion is legal in California. That's true. That's true.

“But see, that's why abortion should be legal.”

Because like, they need to go to the side of their business. No, at that point, it's a masseuse. No. Yeah, because what they don't like is that masseuse is implies. I'm going to sexual flavors.

So if you did climb on top of you, then we could rightfully probably call them masseuse. I was like, culturally, this is so interesting. Like, what if it's just feels so erotic? Yeah, what if it's standard?

Because it's French. I know. Incredible story. Incredible story. Okay.

Now, ding ding ding. We mentioned six flags in this episode. Six flags New Jersey, because that's where she's from. Six flags grade adventure. And that is a ding ding, because we just brought that up on another fact, check.

About the roller coaster. Yes. The biggest roller coaster is there. Okay, pros and cons to coffee. Uh-huh.

It has a lot of nutrients the coffee beans do. Vitamin B2, vitamin B5, B1, B3, folate, potassium, magnesium, phosphorus. Lots of stuff. It can add up to a significant portion of your daily nutritional intake. But coffee really shines in its high content of antioxidants.

In fact, the typical Western diet provides more antioxidants from coffee than from fruits and vegetables combined. Whoa. Yeah. But still in place, I'm getting my antioxidants.

Yeah, I know. I haven't had a vegetable in a while. I know. I did think like, you're not even seeing it in its peak form. You're seeing it after a food or G over the last 10 days.

Exactly. Um, okay. Caffeine, a stimulant that can enhance brain function and boost metabolism. Made protect your brain from Alzheimer's and Parkinson's. Mm-hmm.

Ooh. It says, "Caffeine occurs have a much lower risk of type 2 diabetes. Mm-hmm." Low risk of liver diseases. Low risk of depression and suicide.

And this fact, I was about to use. American council of coffee. Okay. But then it says, "Caffeine can cause anxiety and disrupt sleep." Yeah.

We can live with that. Addictive and missing a few cups can lead to withdrawal. Yeah, okay. Exactly. I guess if you add on a sugar, that's bad. Yes, of course.

But this isn't an episode on sugar. This is about coffee. That's right. Yes. Anyway.

Sounds like a lot of pros. Yeah. Which is good. I'm glad I'm drinking so much of it. Okay.

Cold water versus room temp water.

I'm always told that Chinese believe it's not good to drink cold water.

I don't think it's about Chinese. That's when I'm always told. Oh my god, it is. Okay. All water is good. Dr. Jill Blakeway, a licensed and board certified doctor of acupuncture

and Chinese medicine and found her in clinical herbalist at Yenova, says cold water is refreshing and cooling. It's great on a hot day and a good choice after exercise. Okay. So drinking warm water may be better in some instances risk drinking.

Cold water might also be more beneficial. So the room temp water can make you less thirsty.

Cold water is beneficial after workout.

Room temp aids in digestion. Hmm. In Chinese medicine. Wait, you're right. In Chinese medicine, we advocate drinking warm water because of its effects on the digestive

system. Drinking cold water can can geol the fats and food. And because of that, can make the digestive system sluggish.

“Well, look, this I think we can say when I get in too much hot water.”

Ding ding ding. Hmm. Different populations of people around the world struggle with different issues. Yes. Kind of pandemically.

Yeah. Warm water improved circulation and can relax muscles, which combat constipation and abdominal cramping. Cold water can step up your sinuses. Room temp water boost metabolism.

Because it increases your overall body temperature. Cool. Okay. That's enough. Yeah.

Does schooliosis skip generations? Is schooliosis genetically passed from parents to their children? Strong evidence suggests that schooliosis rented families, but no direct evidence has been found.

Also nearly a third of patients with adolescent ideopathic schooliosis have a family history

of the condition. Only a third. Yeah. And that's from the schooliosis Institute. Okay.

She went to a good college. And she says this is one of the seven sisters. And I didn't know what that was. And I felt like a bad unifier. I don't either.

Okay.

“The seven sisters refers to seven highly selective liberal arts colleges in the north, eastern”

U.S. that are historically women's colleges. Okay. Barnard, Bryn Mar, Mount Holyoke, Smith, Wellesley, Vassur, Vassur College is currently a co-educational college and Radcliffe College was absorbed by 1999 by Harvard College. Oh, wow.

Okay. Only two of those. I knew Vassur and Barnard. Barnard, you knew Wellesley, right? Oh, yes.

I think that might have been in catcher in the right.

And Smith, I knew. But I didn't know. Well, Bryn Mar, I think is where she went. Okay. Now we know it.

Now we know. I didn't know Mount Holyoke. Nope. Still though. Yeah.

These colleges were created to provide women with the educational equivalent to the traditional male Ivy League colleges. It's pretty cool. I like that. Okay.

The New York Times article about the indicators that lead to climbing the economic ladder. It's called "Frending Bias." Okay. And it was an August of this year.

A large new study offers clues about how lower income children can rise up the economic ladder. Growing up in a community connected across class lines improves kids outcomes and gives them a better Charlotte rising out of poverty.

“That's what's cool about our kids school.”

It is very cool. Half abs and half half nuts. Yeah. So if you guys want to read this article, it's interesting. Okay.

You said when traders have wins, they get a bump in testosterone. Right. So I could not find evidence of that. What there is a ton of evidence of is when city traders have high morning testosterone levels, they make more than average profits for the rest of that day.

Oh well. So the testosterone affects the outcome in some ways. Weirdly. But I couldn't find the reverse. Okay.

Do you know women have more testosterone than they have estrogen? Yes. But the percentage is lower than males. Yes. But what's interesting is we think of estrogen as being the female hormone.

Right. The testosterone being the male hormone. And obviously there's a big difference. But I don't think anyone realizes women have more testosterone than they have estrogen. Yeah.

We learned that in our fertility podcast. Well, you did. I learned it on who we were men talking. Yeah. It was with, he was okay.

It depends on the person, the levels. I have a lot. I think self diagnosed. Like my sad. Testosterone is the big upponent of fertility and men.

So for people who are thinking about doing testosterone replacement therapy, you absolutely cannot do it if you want to. Yeah. It destroys your fertility. Yeah.

Exactly. Okay. The rate of opioid addiction and vets while in Vietnam is 30%. They come home and 4% remain addicted. That's the numbers. That's what you said.

Oh, okay. I've lost complete faith in those guesses. There's this huge publication I found. And there's a table in here. You're definitely right.

Let's just say you're definitely right. The number goes drastically down. There's a staggering drop while they come back. But I'll read some of this because I have a broken down to any narcotic use. Any heroin use narcotics more than weekly for a month or more.

Addicted to narcotics at any period during positive for narcotics. Okay. So let's just use any narcotic use. 10% since return. Okay.

And 43% in Vietnam. Okay. And 11% before Vietnam.

It came down after. Wow. Yeah.

But yeah, 43% narcotic use.

Yeah. A lot. Yeah. Too hot every five. Okay.

I have a surprise.

“It's not really in surprise because you told me to look it up.”

But. Although it is a surprise because I forgot. Yeah. You have the best speakers I've ever heard on. Really?

It's so loud. The traffic. I forgot. The boss. The traffic.

The dog. The dog does it. The dog. You can't. You can't.

You can't. You can't. She's in a six thousand. A heart. Circular bathtub.

You're even Roman. I love it. And for yourself. The dog. You're self in luxury.

They were. One sentence away from saying. Haven't. It's got a very. They're.

They're promising that that. Calgon can give you the experience you got in man's apartment. Good luck. Yeah. Oh no.

You lost something. You lost the whole document. No. What? Well, I would imagine it.

After the volume of the. All my tabs went away. Oh. I don't think I have very many left. Did your chrome crash?

“Sometimes if you reopen it, it says reopen tabs.”

I know. But it didn't. You guys both use chrome. Yeah. You should use chrome.

It's good. Fuck. Sign that you're a good employee. That's right. That's right.

Was it chrome though? Yeah. Because Safari comes default on it. Yeah. And the chrome you've got to add.

And Windows explores the default. Um, browser. What Windows. Internet Explorer. I think it's discontinued now.

I think Firefox. Oh, Firefox. Yeah. That was the most best employee. Wasn't it Firefox?

No. No. It was wrong. Okay. Okay.

I just like. Integrate with Google. Right. Okay. Just use.

It's always begging me when I open Gmail.

Do you think maybe you're not using it? Because you're like, I don't want to be an employee anymore. No. No. I don't.

It's probably an inflated confidence in Apple. Like, well, Safari's got to be the best. I like all the other Apple. Yeah. Safari's good.

You know what's cool about chrome. Tell me. Um, I could pull up my history. Oh, why you can do that. So far.

No. You can. You can. You can. No.

That's OG shit. Definitely. It's chrome. I'm just want to earmark out loud. But on the next fact, check.

Because this one's been so wonderfully. Good and long. Yeah. But just on an earmark that I have a grievance to air. Oh, my.

Oh, my. I'll rate to you. So just speaking to that while you look at your thing, there's two things that sound racist that aren't. Informing the one.

Oh, why? Because they say regularly like the Spanish driver. Because it's an international sport, and all these guys are from different countries. Yeah.

So they'll say like, Carlos signs like the Spanish driver is, you know, running. They'll refer to their national deal a lot. Oh, I see. But when they say the Mexican driver,

because Paris is from Mexico, it just feels racist. That's right. And the other one is a showground new. He's from China.

And when they say the Chinese driver, I like that. Especially if he's like, he's spun out or something. And they'll say like, oh, the Chinese driver went, why don't it?

It's steeply racist. But it's objectively not because they're saying everyone's nationally. But for some reason when they say the Chinese driver or the Mexican driver. No, there's a reason. It's because in America,

we do that to those nationalities. Well, you just rarely hear someone saying,

this Mexican, it's never positive after someone.

That's what I'm saying. Yeah. But which is-- That's very American though. Always.

I'm like, oh, Chinese driver. Why do they just say? I don't know what I can do. You have that reaction. I'd like that.

Okay. Hold on. The history-- This is not going to happen. It's good.

I remember that to be on Chrome. Maybe think of it as Safari. No. Okay. I found it.

Okay. So the question is, is the America's GDP? Is the Wall Street port? So far, I'm pretty jet lag. Of course.

“Do you need to look like I'm getting frustrated?”

No, I'm frustrated with myself. Because I can't talk right now. What do you think about this free framing? No, I get. I've heard that it's a good idea.

I know you're aware of it. Instead of saying, I'm sorry. I blank. Say, thanks for your patience. Oh, that's nice.

Yeah, no problem.

I think you know what I mean?

Apology. I don't know why that's a thing. I just know intuitively I like it. Like I said, I'm coming in and going. Oh, my God.

I'm so sorry.

“I'm like, it's--I'm going to thank you for your patience.”

Right. Ehh. Do you feel like it's taking less responsibility? A little. Because like, I am sorry if I'm making mistakes.

Well, you don't need to be because I'm not upset. I think it's for more mundane things. You're not supposed to over apologize. I've heard that too.

Like this is a odd thing I would love to help.

Blinking it over. She says I'm sorry. So much and drives me crazy. Because I'm like, you don't need to be silly. She does say it doesn't.

She almost says it. It's a default. Yeah. Like, more plain soccer. And she doesn't kick it perfectly to me.

I know. I know. I'm like, maybe you don't need to be like this. But do you know what she's doing? She's doing what I just did.

She's saying I'm sorry to herself.

“And that's what I, and so many words I said to her.”

It's okay for you to have a goal for yourself.

Yeah. That you might even want to say like, I know I can do better to yourself. But you don't all me anything. Yeah. I don't have an expectation of you being perfect at passing a soccer ball

300 times. Right. So you don't all mean to apologize because I had. There's been no unsaid contract that that's what I expect from you. Yeah.

It's totally dependent on the scenario. Yeah. I think it's courtyous to say I'm sorry if you have impacted somebody. Yeah. Okay.

The percentage of America's GDP that's Wall Street. Oh, finance. In 1970, the finance insurance industry is accounted for 4.2% of US GDP. Up from 2.8% and 1950. By 2012, they represented 6.6.

The story with profits is similar. In 1970, the profits of the finance and insurance industries were equal to 24% of the profits of all other sectors combined. In 2013, that number had grown to 37%. Despite the after effects of the financial crisis.

Wow. So 30%. 37. And 2013. Yeah.

So it could be more.

“That's why people should be critical of the finance industry.”

But the notion that we should get rid of it or totally. That's how this came up. Yeah. Yeah. It's naive.

You can't really talk about getting rid of any industry that's 30% of our GDP without. I don't think. The longest colossal collapse of many systems and people's life. Yes. I'm not interested in getting rid of it at all.

But I don't subscribe to the thought that it has to be toxic to work. Right. No, do I think we should be held hostage by any industry. That's how I'm saying. I'm talking to the people that are like dismantle Wall Street.

Totally. No private banking. I agree. It's a cornerstone of our overall economy. Yeah.

And really, it's all England is now. They stop manufacturing. They have some luxury goods. They are very. That's a luxury.

Yeah. We're very trench. Okay. That's all for today. Okay.

We're now you have it. We have an Easter egg for next fact check. All right. Which is all it's like. Love you.

Thank you for that great story. You're welcome.