Zach Braff Returns

Hi. Do you want to tell people about the housewarming card that Lincoln got you?

Of course she just just brought it up on our bike ride and I did think it was. Yes, it was the sweetest thing she got me at card. She had it for like a year which is so sweet and she was holding it. The card itself says something like congrats on your new pad. Yeah, and it has a frog on on a little pad and she added the Lily. She added Lily before pad and very cute. She's explained to me on the bike ride. She's like, you know, because her middle name is Lily.

I might, I know I say her name several times a week, Lily. And then padman is like pad, so Lily pad. Yeah, she also added man to the end. Yeah, yeah, very cute. Very, very sweet girl.

Today we have returning double ganger. It's double ganger month. Zach Braff is an actor and a filmmaker

Scrubbs garden state a good person chicken little, which I was here and the reboot of Scrubbs, which is It's a good show. It's a great show. It's a great show Monica's back. I'm back in having nostalgic feelings. It is on Wednesday nights on ABC and then airs on Hulu. Please enjoy Zach Braff. This episode of Armchair Expert is presented by Apple TV, the new U.S. Home of Formula One. Starting March 7th, you can watch complete all-axis live coverage of every Grand Prix,

including practice qualifying and sprints all in one place. Watch every race live, only on Apple TV. I had a hunch you would wear a sweater, so I don't know. Good to see you. I haven't seen you guys since

we talked about it. I don't want to waste it, but you didn't have a hedge when I was here last.

Oh God, no, it was 2018. It was April of 2018, which is crazy because don't you feel like we

“interviewed him much deeper in the show? I think I've only been here once and we were joking about”

how it was smart of you to put down the hedge as early because it was going to be a while. Oh yeah, I was a while. I'll bet. You were like, I had the idea that we would just start the hedge as right at the top and save you know $700. I could have gotten the 10 gallons of $15. Remember you were saying that you were like, you know what, I'm going to get the smaller one. All right. Well, April that means 2018, which is only three months in. Wow. I think

I've registered that whole thing. I was like, you were going off to do a TV show about podcasting. That's what you were promoting. Was I promoting that? Yes. So the fact that there was already a show being made about podcasting. But it was right at the top of things. It was based on start up. There was a podcast about a guy who was starting up a business and the business happened to be podcast. Yes. It's a based on a real story. It was a story of Gimliter, one of those exactly. Right. Yeah.

I can't believe I just remembered. It's a very good memory. podcasting was sort of new. Yeah. But you were at the forefront. I mean, Mark Marin was before you were in Chris Hardway and a Ferris. Yep. And a Ferris. And of course, Rogan. There was already some titans. But you really took off a lot of his happens since I saw you. Yeah. Look at this place. It's

“so fancy. I know. It was upstairs. There was no curtain on the bathroom door. Do you remember that? Yeah.”

We didn't have a door. It wasn't even the structure. We had to look away with someone pee. That's right. Don't step out. We're stuck out if you're being respectful. Okay. So you had the same fascination as I do with watching us age. Like sincerely, you and me. You and I. I'm so big. I'm monitoring you more than anyone else in the world. I know, but you're really fit. So it's hard on me because I go, wow, that's what I would look like if I was rich. I see you sometimes and you're really looking good. You're keeping a tight

and I go, okay, well, I should go to the gym. And then I go to the gym and then I get in shape and I go, well, if I get in too much shape, this whole dax act thing is going to be even worse. 2.0, though. Maybe we'll you ride out on a whole new wave of it. So at both times, I'm like,

“yeah, you and I definitely looked a lot more similar when we were younger. Yeah, I think so too.”

And also, I'm shocked with how different I look. I watch parenthood with my kids and I'm like, I look so different. It's crazy. We do still, I don't know if I how often it comes up in your life, but it comes up in my life once a week at least. I think you're out in the world a little more than me because I work in the backyard. Right. You don't leave your property. Yeah, in your own sense, you're at the end. You have an opportunity for more of that. You text me, which is feels

Because, you know, I text Dex when this happens, when it's a funny one. Sure. Because a lot of times, they're just kind of like, Dex, love your work. That's not worth texting Dex, though. But I don't face on my partner in crime and I were in Las Vegas or 50 years old. We don't party much anymore, but we went one night in Vegas. We were throwing a couple back and we're playing crabs and we were winning and we're just having the best time. We have enough booze in us to

decide we should go to the club, the nightclub, the nightclub. At the win, I forgot what it's called, but the chain smokers are playing there. It's enormous. It's like indoor outdoor thousands of people. Wow. And we go with the group of people and it's fun and we're having the best time. And as we work our way to someone's booth, I lose Donald and I'm like, shit, I don't want to be in this place alone at all. Yeah, you start feeling very self-conscious, right? So conscious that I'm also like,

“I wasn't going to be here long anyway, but if my boy just left, how long am I really going?”

Your age starts hitting you really quickly. Oh, yeah. I definitely wouldn't do a second nine in Vegas.

No more. And so he said, I'd never had a good second nine in Vegas. So we're there and I'm like,

did he leave me like, how fucked up would it be if you'd left? And I'm here. I don't know any people in this booth, starting to get insecure. And I look up and in the DJ booth, no mind, you thousands of people, but the DJ booth that this club is in the center of the thing and it's indoor outdoors and enormous and I squint and I see Donald in the DJ booth. Absolutely. Just full life. That wasn't where to look first. This kind of shocks me with how long you guys have been

friend. I love him, but I don't know if you call it Irish Xeter French cabir, whatever you call it, I had to feeling like maybe he did that. Okay. I know I'm very peripherally. My first saw would be a bit Donald's in the DJ booth. I can't. Back in the day, he was the guy at the club. Okay. But now he

never leaves the house. So this was a big night for us, but I kind of think I talked him into going

to the club. I was like, come on, we have a buzz in Vegas. Let's go to the club. So anyway, I see him and he sees me and he's just dreamy to come. I work my way up there and just as I get into the DJ booth, I'm grabbed by the shoulders by Michael Fassbender, which paused right there. I've never

“met him. I've completely adored him. I love physically. I think he's so gorgeous in his body so beautiful.”

He's a beautiful man. His penis was nice in shame. I don't remember his penis. I remember the shame had penis and I just don't recall his specific penis. Oh, it's gorgeous. It's exactly what he did. I know of course. This is where you two differ. You remember, and you don't have to say we appreciate him. Sure. I'll put it. Yeah. Melody. So what do you look like in person? He's very handsome and he grabs me and before I can say anything, he says, I love you. And I go, oh my God, he was, I love

your work. I love everything that you do. He goes, the shit you make is fucking awesome. I wish we could work together. Oh my ego is like here. Stop. I'm not having experience. You had just now real time. I want to give it to you. I was by texted you. And Donald's looking at me like, "Fraud boy, like, yeah, boy, yeah." And then he goes, I mean fucking chips do stop. I just felt my heart sink because now not only is it about decks, but I don't know how to get out of this counter. Exactly.

It's so deep. I have a petroquette. Fuck. It is also incredibly likely. He is conflated you and I into one person. He also loves garden states and scrubs. And he just happened to land on chips as most recent. I mean truly, maybe I don't know. He might think we're the same person.

“I never got that far, but what happened was, I think he had a few two in fairness. Sure, what”

was going to be? Yeah, it's in the middle of the night in Vegas. And he's lovely and I love him. Still, I love you still. I'm sure you watch as your podcast. He's your biggest fan of the world. So anyway, well, fastmen are my goodness. I'm flattered. So he goes, "Kips." And then Donald being like, my wife wingman's like, "No, man, this is Zach Brown." I would just walk to where. I would have been like, "Oh, thank you, chips is the best." But his face dropped as he embarrassing as it was.

And then he starts to kind of back away like, "Oh, man, you guys have the best night." And Donald goes, "No, no, no, no, no, no, no." You come back here like a proud wife. This is Zach Brown.

Do you not know? You never seen Garden City. No. [laughter]

[laughter] But Donald starts listing my credits. He never seen a good person. And you never seen the last kiss of scrubs and all these things. Full IMDB or anything. He's just nodding and nodding. And then I'm like, Donald, let's set him free. Please. And he backed away. And that was it. But I didn't even make it out of the club. I was so embarrassed. I kind of just had a moment and I texted Dax. I was like, "It is important for you to know

how much Michael Sazbender loves chips." Oh, that's such a good story. Oh my god. But it's the worst so when it's like, you're heart. I mean, yes, because we both would love his approval. Of course. Oh my god. It's one thing when it's someone on the street. Of course we look like,

I'm walking around. Yeah, yeah. But this was like an actor. I really would love to want to work with me. [laughter] I'm rattled right now because I don't know any of those details. But why don't you make a chip sequel with Michael Sazbender? Yeah, I don't like her. I feel Michael, but a fastman. Yeah. Oh my god. That's funny. That's heartbreak again.

I can't believe it. I've never seen Donald corrected him. That's an interesting choice. I wouldn't have

gone that really good friends. I never do it. And if I ever do it, I'm always so kind. Oh no, you're thinking of Dax. We look like, I'm Zack. I do that little uncomfortable dance. Yeah. But Donald was like, "You get back here, Mr. Fastman. You're going to reeducate it." In the DJ booth. It's like, you feel embarrassed in that moment. And you shouldn't feel embarrassed. He should feel embarrassed. Because he might be feeling embarrassed. We do like, it's strange because you know what it is? It's

solely ego. This man I love. Your ego is I wanted this person to like me and they don't know who I am. For me, the embarrassment would have been, I'm not embarrassed. I get mistaken for you. I'm flattered by it. Yeah, your handsome as hell. You're incredibly cute and you're talented and you had a great career. I'm not like, don't confuse me with him. I was kind of in Uber. I had a girlfriend

at the time and we got into an Uber. And the guy, he assumed that she was Kristen. Oh wow.

He was like, hey, I love both of you guys and love your part. I don't think it was Florence because my brain would have been like, "Oh, if you love both of us, this person wasn't a famous person." Okay. So I remember when he said, "I love both of your stuff." The carve on a commercial. I knew that it wasn't about that particular girl. I love your carve on. And you're like, "Not team mobile." This is where I would have been embarrassed. That same thing happens,

right? Fastmaner says, "I love you. I want to work with you." And then he says, "I'm so excited. I heard the relaunching scrubs." Right. What would happen for me is I would have been ashamed that

“I got excited and it wasn't for me. That's what it would. That's what I feel. Yeah. Yeah, right?”

I've been like, "Oh, I feel so good now. I can met a cognition. My way into knowing that I shouldn't have any of those emotions." I would like to get over it because it's so silly. I had this at the Netflix party after the Golden Globe. Did you get them to stay in for so many? Well, sort of. Okay. I don't know if I should say who it is. Because she's so nice, but Claire Daines, who we did interview. So this is where things get there. I don't know. But she was like,

"Hi, I was like walking by." And she was like, "Hi, she stopped me this Saturday." Why would? Okay. So yeah, just hold on. So I said, "Hi, it's so good to see you. I can't believe you remember me." I said that because I was like, "We interviewed her so long ago." And I honestly was like, just very impressed. It was like, "Good for you for me." And then she was like, "Yeah, of course. I just talked to blah-blah." I was like, "Oh, no." I have no idea who you're talking about now.

But you don't think it was like Mindy or you think it was an Indian confusion? I mean, I assume whoever she's thinking about is probably Indian. I don't know who. But I just said, "Oh, yeah, yeah. It was really good to see you. I'm just headed to the bar." She was like, "Great. Have a good night." But on the other side of it, myself. I mean, of course. Can you recall exactly who you did? Frank Grillo and John Bernthal.

Sure. We love John Bernthal. Absolutely. I love them both. And I made a mistake to Frank Grillo, who's a lovely actor. This is very cringe. And I said, "You're killing it on the bear." Okay. Oh yeah. And did he correct you? He did the same thing I did with a bit of a wince.

Oh, no. Look. I've done it too. Yes. But I'm sure I'm not the first person to confuse those two.

Guys, super masculine. Very talented. Tom's great body. Similar vibes. Yeah, yeah. What should be comforting is I, too, have fucked up. And I beat myself up over the time. I misidentify somebody.

“Way more than what happens to me. I think about the grillo thing when I'm in the shower.”

Right. Like if you're comparing that to fast-pender, right? We would probably give the fast-pender a four and that an eight or something. But it became a great story because I'm able to tease myself about it because it was such a funny moment. The fact that Donald was like, not going to let him slide. The fact that he was the proud wife that was going to be like, "You know, you come back here." You get to know him. I can't see any of the names.

But I will tell you that I was one time doing the movie. There was an older actor in the movie. It was resheds the night before we had gone home. Chris and I we watched a certain movie. We came to set the next morning. The older actor said, "What did you do last night?" I said, "We watched this movie because oh my god, I watched that movie too." I then said, "Oh my god, I don't know why people are obsessed with that movie.

It was such garbage. I don't know why it's blah, blah, blah." And I can sense from the people around me,

“this is uncomfortable. I've clearly stepped in it. And then I quickly remember, "Oh, this person”

also produces." And I said, "Oh my god, did you produce that movie?" And he said, "No, I directed it." And why would he say do you watch that movie? I watched that movie a little bit of a trap. But let's leave it. I'll just own myself. I tried to make it better. I buried myself worse. And then the end I just said, "For what it's worth, you'll probably forget about this in a couple

Oh, this randomly believe I ain't even better than me. Like, I cannot believe I said that directly

to someone's face. And it just proves the lesson I had learned it, which is, I don't need to ever say bad stuff about anything. Like, I could just tell you the things I love. You don't need to hear what I hate. I don't do that anymore, either. Do you find when you were younger? I like, I did it when I was younger. Oh, yeah. And Dalin, I would do it. Our own podcast, a rewatch of scrubs. Yes. We watched every single episode of scrubs and then would chat about it for an hour and how many episodes

were there? I don't know. Like 200 episodes? We should look it up. But 150 at least. Because you were doing 20 a year, right? Back in the day, we were doing like 18 to 20 or so a year. 182. 182. He's good. He's best. Well, be well. So we watched them all. And it was fun. We did a during COVID over Zoom. It was like something to do and have a laugh. And then it got really popular. And people really liked it. I caught myself

early on when you're just chatting with your buddy. I'm sure you guys know this. You're going to say, oh, I hated that. I hated this. And I stopped myself. I was like, I don't want to spread negative tovity about anyone's creativity. Occasionally something would slip in and be like, you guys like that movie. But it was mild. I tried to be careful about not talking about the giant microphone about anybody's work. Yes. You're operating under the false illusion that it's not getting

“to get to them. But in modern day, everything gets to everybody. And I try to remember that when”

I read something shitty about myself, I'm like, oh, that person aid it and think I was going to get it and they might not even stand by it today. Because you're just in a mood that day. And I was annoyed last night and this happened. And then two days later, I might be like, I don't even have that opinion. There's enough people putting negative shit out there in the world. Okay. So you and I have now had a bunch of weird fun overlaps other than just looking similar. Yes. We've both been in the

cheaper by the dozen franchise. I didn't think about it. Yes. That's my very first on a screen and a

movie theater experience. Oh, you can see up for twice as not fancy in the movie theater. Okay. But I'm sure your role was a lot better than mine. Yeah. I had fun making that. We did a remake of it for Disney with Gabby Union and me having a mixed family. It was fun. Yes. So we're in that universe. Yes. And then we must talk about Penae for a second. Yes. So you know, Anipenae is in my top three best friends of my life. I didn't know that. You didn't know that. No. I know that he mentions you

a lot. You're audience. You have to explain who he is because they won't have any clue who he is. We did talk about him quite a bit. So he produced wedding crushers originally and then he produced a movie that I was in employ the month. And then we've done four or five other things. And then he produced all three of the movies I've directed and we're like inseparable soul mates. He's the nicest. I love him. At my world he produces all the team-level commercials we do.

“Yes. And I think it's really interesting that he hired you instead of me as best friend”

who seemingly looks identical. Well, you know what happened with those. It's interesting. There's a guy who is partner Brian Klogman who writes all the spots. He's sort of the Don Draper of T-Mobile. Those big spots that we make we shoot full spec versions of them beforehand. T-Mobile ads are made in a really unique way. Most people don't know this. So for example, the Jason Moe one, which was probably the biggest fun with the Super Bowl that we did,

we don't just like submit copy to T-Mobile and go, hey, what do you think of these storyboards in this idea? That's the normal way it's done. We shoot full of with iPhones and props and a couple people helping us. We shoot the whole spot in my backyard. Oh, okay. So in that case, we wouldn't have had Jason Moe, but in post we'll put like a giant Jason Moe head on a double, whose body it is. And then we'll move the mouth like South Park. But like we shoot and edit and do

all of the sound effects and everything and fully make a realized iPhone version of it.

And then we send that in as here's what it'll be. But does that happen? But first one came to be,

actually the first one I ever did, Donald that I ever did was a Super Bowl ad and they didn't use us. They ended up using famous football players. And I was sort of bummed. These are calls for people who don't know it's a spec ad, meaning no one's bought it. You're doing it as a speculative thing with your own money. In this case, Penae's and Brian's company. But it's a great sales tool because the creatives that people make for decisions, as long as they can say,

okay, this is an iPhone 0 budget version. Let me see what it looks like. If they can use their imaginations, they're seeing what it looks like. And then imagine it with not a bobblehead Jason Moe, a real Jason Moe. Yeah, imagine it was real effects and imagine it lit. So the very first one, sorry, I rambled. We did one in my backyard and then they ended up being two famous football players. So I was sort of bummed. Little did I know that it would come back around in such a huge way

that now we're their partners. How many years ago was that Super Bowl one? We didn't do this year, but we done the last four or five years. Yeah, I feel like you've been doing it for a good five

“plus years. Yeah. Do you know how many spots off the top of your head that you've done a lot?”

But I'll tell you this, they're made in such a collaborative fun way, because Brian Klugman will just be brainstorming. We were on the set of making one of them and he's like, oh, I'm so stressed. I got to do Christmas spots for these guys and I haven't really come up with anything yet. And we're just sitting there a group of us four people just Donald Penae, Brian myself laughing. You know, Nate Tuck, of course, Nate Tuck's my oldest friend in LA. I really didn't clock how close you were

We could do three hours on his outfit. Every time I'm with him, I take photos so I can bring

back and show the girls on your podcast. Can you put up an image of someone? We showed. Yes. We

“will. I feel like on the video you should put up what he dresses like. Yes. Can I just tell you,”

I met him for a meeting for employee the month. And I walk into his office and he didn't have the funds yet, but he still had the style. So he was like in true religion genes, but they were bed dials old. And he was wearing like a half shirt, like a mid-drift. I had never met him. And I was like, wow, this dude's a lot. Huh, but then within four seconds, I'm like, oh, this is sweet. It's guy ever met. And I got comfortable with it. And then I came to really enjoy how playful he was with this

close. But now he's got money. And it is the most exciting. I've never seen anything like it. The closest comp I can give the audience is lit three. Sorry, liberal. Yeah, liberal. It is diamonds. Like,

I've never seen in real life. Yeah. It is first. Yes. It is a white t-shirt that's ripped. It is

Louis Vuitton or Gucci boots that make him like six inches taller. All of a sudden. He's a woman like Gucci or Louis Vuitton boots. Yes. A lot of paint. There's an entourage around him. Great crew around him. He has a whole posse that moves like the show entourage. That's not something I've really seen in real life. I mean, I know it exists. I haven't really been around those people. He's someone who lives that kind of life. But it's really important to say with no entourage

douxiness. Just kindness, sweetness. He's kind and lovely. Any champions? Interesting. We're both examples of it when he likes someone. He really champions them. Oh, yeah, he'll die for anyone he loves. Also, he's a Greek kid from Sunland who had a big afro when he graduated and just wanted to play baseball and has never drank in his life. He's so PG and so sweet and so earnest. In his try. So hard. He runs 16 miles a day and takes calls while he's running. Nate told me the best

story. So yes, anytime you're talking to him likely, he's running up a hill. He's pretty good at not letting you know. He keeps his breathing in. Yeah. But Nate was on the phone with him. It's

“pretty important call. I think he had clients on the calls as well as a big conference call.”

And all of a sudden he heard. Oh, no. Sorry, but sorry, but just got into ice bath. So he's in 16 miles an hour. He's entering into a nice bath. I mean, he's the most eccentric, wonderful person. And just the sweetest human I've ever met. He's the reason he and Brian Klugman want to tell you about how we come up with the ads. We're shooting one and Brian says, oh, I haven't thought of Christmas spots yet. Someone in the group says, oh, you know,

he's funny to be like a spoof of love, actually, but with the cards at the door. Yeah. And he got that could be funny. Well, why don't we shoot a speck of it right now while we're here? Yeah. And so he has a PA grabbed the cards. At the end of the day, we do one take two cameras

cross-shooting of the messaging that they want for Christmas on the cards. We never say a word.

They love it. We have a proof of concept. We come back a few months later and shoot the real thing was fake snow on the ground. But that's why it's such a fun thing to be doing because it's

“very, very collaborative. You know, you hear this thing with the ad market. I think this is most”

people's experience is like, just do this, do these storyboards. And if it's not funny, you're kind of cringing. Our thing is the opposite. It's like, what would you say? What do you want to say? Rift 10 things. Yes, I was going to say I think we'll see other actors go wrong in these commercials. Is probably they're not writers or they're not improvers or they're not directors. So the relying on the entire machine that is medicine Avenue, I don't know that they're great at writing

to actors in the way like we could agree. Great television showrunners. There's not a ton of them. And their gift is they can write to you to make you shine. Yeah, that's a good way to put it. And it's such a rare ability. So I think when Chris and I have been approached both campaigns, we've done that starts with like, hey, I'll have to write them. We'll get the concept done, but it'll have to go through my fingers so that our voices are correct. Yeah, that's fun. And it kind of

starts with that agreement. And everyone's been cool about it. I had a friend who's just going to do it out and she sent me the copy and she goes, hey, can you help me? I'm like shooting this tomorrow. And I was like, oh, no. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. I used to direct them too. I've done a couple. Did you like, I find it. I stopped terrible. I stopped doing it. It's demoralizing. And unlike my team-oble experience, which has been awesome, it was not collaborative. They really just wanted me to

execute the storyboards. And I was like, well, then why I'm going to hear a lot of people can execute these storyboards. I want to bring something to the table. In descending order, film is the director's medium. Television is right or then director. The TV spots are the client, the ad agency, the this, the that before gets the director. Earlier on on my career, I loved it because I was not getting any budget for my work. So it was fun to have a big budget and to hire you coolest cinematographers

in the world because they all do commercial. So you can hire these bad STPs and work with them and hopefully develop friendships with them. And I'm a camera geek. So playing with all the cool camera toys. But then I really got over it because I was like, doing this is not fun. And it's very stressful. There's way too many emails. Too many emails. And then on set, there's like 55 people. I got to sign off everything that happens. Yeah, one time Dax was directing as a favor. Oh,

people listen to the podcast? People had joined via Zoom from another school. Of course, because

“that's what they did. They didn't get their day on their shoot. So they lost their day because of”

this racket. And then I was asked by my wife. Can you save this thing and direct this in our house and get the piece we didn't get? And I was like, yeah, absolutely. Can't wait. Do it. Well, now this group that already derailed that the first time are now on a Zoom call. And I just very bluntly said, Hey, you guys lost your day. And I'm not here to make you happen here to give you this thing that you guys lost yesterday. So that was my attitude to Monica was very upset. Well,

it's good to Monica keeps you in check. Yeah. It's good to have someone whispering. You're like, hey, you're being a dick. Yeah. You have to know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's very easy to lose track of that.

I've never been a dick on a TV show of directed or a murder. You're amazed that how many people

are? Yeah. You know, Bill Lawrence, who's my mentor. I was a waiter when I got scrubbed. And he and grained in the sets I've been on my whole life that no asshole policy, the dolly grip might have a better joke than you do. Don't have an ego about it. Yeah. You know, that's the vibe of the sets we run. The insecurity it has sometimes created me as I'm honest that or more often I hear a story about a really great director and what they did and how they treated everyone. In the past, I've been

like am I never gonna direct blank because I'm not a fucking asshole. Can you only get this level of

“movie by being a tyrant? No. I don't think that, but there's been times where I think it's about”

courage because sometimes I find myself directing somebody huge and I go, it's take five. We're gonna look at the time. Are you gonna have the balls to go? Hey, man, we don't have it. Yeah, we gotta keep going. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's where I have to give myself a pep talk and be like, come on. Don't be a whim. Go have the difficult conversation to push this person because a year from now when this comes out, they're going to be so stoked that even though it was the middle

of the night and they were cranky and everyone's cranky and it's raining that you pushed them. Okay, so you did one episode of Ted Lasso. Yeah. And you've done five shrinkings. I've done five shrinkings. I just did two roosters, which is the new Karel show with Bill. How did those experiences differ? Lasso was crazy because I was dating Florence at the time and I was over in London and Bill said I've got this new show was Sadakis and it's gonna be great and you want to direct the

second one of all time if you remember it was one about the biscuits. Yeah. Yeah. And I said, yeah, I should be fun. I like Sadakis. He's hilarious and from over here anyway, I'd love to work with you. I directed it. It was a lot of fun, not really into sports. So I thought a lot bit people who like soccer were like this. I mean, it's cute. And Sadakis is very funny and Bill's great and then I left. Right. And then it came out and it was insane. What happened?

It's still insane. If I go to Apple, I'll notice it's still always in the top three,

often in the top two. A new episode hasn't come out in years. It just became a phenomenon. All those guys became famous and what's happened to Brett Goldstein is incredible. And I just met them all when they were all completely unknown. Yes, second episode's tricky. Second episode's tricky because the pilot alasso had a lot of pipe to lay out. It had a lot of story to conquer. And episode two of the biscuits was the one where Bill and Jason were going to

show you. Oh, we're also going to break your heart. Also just establishing the tone of the show going Florence. Like we established all the characters. Now we're going to show you what the vibe going is. Yes, that really was too. And also it was the first moment gameplay, which was funny because the Greensman on the field were so protective of the pitch. And they wouldn't let us bring equipment on it. So I had someone who's not in the sports figure out how the hell we're going to

shoot soccer without being able to bring in gear on the field. So we've built this rig. Have you ever seen the things they bring on the beach that have the big inflatable tires on sets? Yeah. So the key grip and the dolly grip and the DP and myself we all collaborated on this thing and had big inflatable tires almost like something you'd see on the moon that with a remote head on it. And then it had a pull bar and the grips would put cleats on and they would run with it.

Uh-huh. And those tires they accepted as light enough and the cleats were of course fine. And then the DP would operate their remote head on the sideline. So we kind of came up with this

“really cool rig and that's how soccer was shot the whole show. That stayed with the show. Yeah.”

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Shrinking season one episode eight was the one for those who know the show where the centerpiece

of the whole show is that Gabby goes to her ex-boyfriend's art show. That was my first entry into the

shrinking world. How was it directing Harrison for talking about like the intimidation factor of someone might not be getting in on take five? Yeah, him and Morgan Freeman and Michael Kane. Like I've had a couple of experiences with these mega guys. Yeah. And it's scary. Being Morgan and Harrison,

“everyone is weird around them. You have to understand. Everyone is weird around them.”

I was driving in a golf car with Harrison around the Warner Brothers lot and there's constant trams of tourists going by. And he just gently turns his head the other way. And I go "Diver Wave" and he goes, "No." But I do feel bad about it. I don't understand that no one in their life except maybe their loved ones is normal to them. I know. So what they love for, I've deduced is someone to just act like you don't give a fuck. Yeah, not in a rude way, of course

a respectful way. But that wins them over real quick. I had to get myself pep talks. I had a tricky time with Alan, rest in peace, brilliant actor. But he was the trickiest for me. But Morgan and Michael Kane were really, really lovely. And Morgan is so much that when I offered him a good person in the movie that was my own script with Florence, he said yes and we had a really good experience making that. But he is Graphis Hell and he really only wants to work in the morning. And he really

kind of only wants to do one take. Yeah, he should. After you go cut on take one you go great. Everybody, that was awesome. Let's go again. You hear? Why? I was back there.

“Why? Why? For fucking 25 days. Every set up. John Doe has the upper hand. Why?”

And what would you say to him? I'd be like Morgan, that was take one. You were great. Obviously,

you're never bad. But you know, we got to figure some things out. The camera didn't get the

reposition and then something going on with the background. And I want to put this lamp over here. And it was take one. And I'm like, okay. And then you know, throughout the course of the day after lunch, he was an older man. He was just tired. So that was the first example of I was intimidated and I had to give myself a pep talk. It's why we're talking about, I'm not an angry director. I don't yell at anyone. That's not my vibe. But I do have to go

if you're a wimp now and don't have the courage to go to Morgan, even though it's three in the

be mad at you a year from now and we're showing this movie and the scene doesn't work. So that's my

responsibility. And with Harrison, I have that too. People always go, how are you direct them?

You're not teaching them. You're not teaching a brilliant actor. What you are is steering the ship and you're going, Harrison, because the scene before this X, Y, and Z happened, should we do one where you're a little more angry? I think maybe we should at nine times at a ten. He'll be like, absolutely, you're right. That's good. That's good. Yeah. I'm the conductor of the orchestra. I'm not the greatest first finalist in the world you are. But if I ask you to play that note a little bit

louder, it's because I'm thinking of the whole thing and we shoot movies out of order and you might not be thinking of the scene, you were even in the scene before this when we shot it. We went to hear. So this scene needs to be here. It helps though because once you've had the courage to do that with Harrison Ford and Morgan Freeman, I feel like you can do with anybody. It's the ultimate swimming with weights on. We just had Sterling Cape Brown on and he said, you can't be a fan and in

the game at the same time. I was like, that's a perfect way to say it. You can't be like, I love him so much. I can't tell him what to do. It's like, no, you're the coach of the game. And they don't want that. I just had the really cool experience Harrison Ford interviewed me for interview magazine. Oh, no kidding. For this scrub rollout. And it was very trippy because my

interaction with him on set is chummy, but you know, he's Harrison Ford. I never thought he would

ever say, yes, they said, who do you want to interview for interview magazine? They usually pair you with someone. And I said, well, maybe Brett Goldstein will do it because he's a buddy of mine and he's an

“actor director writer. That's how it'd be a good match. And I was like, I don't know, ask Harrison Ford,”

kind of sarcastically. And then Harrison said, yes. Oh my goodness. So it was very cool to turn into a more of a conversation. But I got to ask him a questions that I'm not asking him when we're sitting around on set in the director's chairs. Yeah. I asked him, what do you like from a director? Why don't it's most helpful to you? He was saying a lot of the same things we're saying. Like, I'm not always keeping track of where we are. I need you to remind me where we've come from and

where we're going. I personally had ways some people would phrase that to me that way at times. I think it would have been helpful because I take it as like, I've done something wrong in this moment as opposed to I need your help with this broader story that's just so helpful to me when I was younger and super insecure on set. And we're going again, but I don't know why and I'm thinking something I'm doing wrong. And it's like, oh, no, no, it's something you're doing wrong. It's like,

also, we got a service as huge story. I might even be asking you to do something that's not it's true. Just to service this bigger story. I might also not know yet. That's something that

takes being 50 years old as to go. I also might not know what the answer is yet. Would you help me

find it by going again and trying one like this? Because then at the monitor, I might go, oh, Eureka, that is what I was looking for. Yes. Okay. So another thing that happened, and this is a moment when I text you, which is you popped up on Bad Monkey Season 1. And I thought you were so great. Thank you. Immediately text you like, oh my god, I love seeing you as this fucked up the shovel train wreck. I feel like everyone was talking about it. It was really bizarre. I never get parts

like that. Right. I would love to do more drama like that. And Bill, of course, is my biggest champion and my old career. And he said, hey, do you want to come down and do some scenes with Vince Vaughn in Miami? And I was like, that sounds great. Yeah. He's been using that pitch, I think. It sounds great. No, I think once he knew you were a fan, and he loves you, he was like, that's a really fucked people up when you show up in Bad Monkey. They're going to be like, he's back.

But again, it's so similar. Because I got to say, I hadn't seen you act in a while. You know how this is, I don't get offered parts like that. I don't come to mind for people that apart like that. Yeah, like a fucked up degenerate. I fucking did a degenerate dog guy who's going to saw

“somebody's arm off. Do you remember when Albert Brooks was in Drive? And he was the bad guy?”

Yeah. Yeah. And he was fucking brilliant. Yeah. Not that I was playing that much of a heavy or that big of a part. But that's, well, I kind of was thinking of. So Bill gave me this opportunity. I did it. It was fun. Did you have any anxiety about it? Not doing the part. I felt confident that I could do the role. I was intimidated by Vince just because I never met him. He's a legend in my eyes. Swingers was a pivotal moment in my life. We all wanted to be Vince Vaughn. I wanted to be Vince Vaughn.

And then there was a movie after it called Made. I don't know if a lot of people saw, but I loved. I just thought he was one of the funniest improvise. Actually, watch if someone listening hasn't seen made the blooper reel with him in Favreau is even funnier than the movie. Yes. Talking about the perdiam. Yeah. Because Vince is just riffing and Favreau cannot keep a straight face. It's so funny. I always laugh at people trying to hold together.

Do you remember when I go? I have it. I'm gonna. They're both dipshits and they get sent to New York on this mission. Vince does not know what perdiam means. But they're trying to act like they've been there done that. And so the guys trying to like tell me you're gonna get this perdiam. And they're just trying to bullshit their way into figuring out what the fuck perdiam means. It's so brilliant. So the

“blooper reel shows you how Vince works. Seeing him in live time, figuring out the best way to do the”

joke. But Favreau keeps ruining the takes. Favreau's the director and the scene. But he keeps really takes because Vince is so funny. I had a funny moment in Bad Monkey. I had to play a corpse in one scene. Sorry, spoiler. They put the makeup on me and I'm lying in a morgue drawer. And Vince and his

script. And Bill is like, bro, we have to fucking do VFX on your body because you're shoulders popping. He's brilliant like that. So anyway, I did it. And I didn't think about it again. Although it's funny. I did have an experience with Vince where we were all going out to dinner. I was like, oh my god, I'm gonna hang out on Vince's phone. And Andrew Watt was down there. Andrew Watt is like one of the biggest music producers around. And he's Bill's daughter Charlotte's fiance. Oh, okay.

So he was down there. And we all went out and Bill wasn't there. But we were all out going, oh my god, I can't believe we're all hanging with his phone. This is a dream. And then Vince is like, I come back to your guys' place because we were all living in this condom. We were like, yeah, that'd be awesome. Ham and Andrew were just throwing them back. You know, I don't drink like that anymore. Ham and Andrew were just throwing them back on the balcony. Yeah, big guy. I'm sure he can

him. Oh, yeah. Like the biggest fucking case of Corona's ever saw. And I'm like, I'm gonna hang out on this phone. I'm like, I'm gonna hang out on this phone. Oh my god, our Vince fan and Andrew Watt can drink all night long on the balcony. What are you gonna? You're just gonna have to suck that one up. I did. I disappeared. I refused yourself. I refused myself. And I'm like, you're like, they drank until like four in the morning of the balcony outside of my room. But my point is

25. The world me would be like, what are you doing going to bed? Yes. It's really interesting. So I text Bill from a lot, even say, I'm on it. He hasn't responded. Let me see if he does. It's time. It's time for Apple. It's time for people know. Hold it onto this first. Oh, yes, have fun. I love that. Okay. So that's Bill. That's all great. So yes, I too. I'm now on it.

“So this is what I think is so fun about our overlap. And it's not just overlap. Like, oh,”

we were both on bed monkey. We're both on bad monkey at a very specific point in our life, set a very specific age doing dramatic roles. We don't normally get casted. Yes, although I'm playing a dish. I'm pretty much mad. Actually, I don't know. Oh, I actually don't know what character you play. Although he told me some fun anecdotes. I won't say because there's spoilers, but he did tell me that he had some funny stories. I'll tell you what the character's name is. Ratt Daddy.

That tells you a little bit. I think the name, so you can sum it that inner rat daddy can't show.

It's always ready. I bet there was voting involved voting. Yeah. Good idea. Yeah.

Smart. Smart. It takes place in the Florida keys. Yes. And so when I talked to Bill, we interviewed Bill in September of last year. He's actually our first video, yes. And he was so fun and good. And he said, I'm going to make you act next year. And I said, I don't think so. I'm really busy on this. And I'm very content. And he said, what a follow your scenes were within. So I'm the same fit. There's like a large people.

Yes, it's great. It works. And so when we talk in the front, he's like, how big of a commitment can you make? And I said, I don't know. He said, what would you want to play? And I said, I'm mussely douchebag. And he goes, oh, buddy, do I have the roll, but it's going to be a few episodes. Then rat daddy's. But I was going to say, I'm making a lot of assumptions about you. But you and I, I would hope have the pride of like, all else said 25 years we've been doing this.

The longevity, I never hit the points. I was trying to hit. I had my eyes set on being

well, fair or Vince Vaughn that didn't happen. I wanted to be Steven sort of workers of the director that didn't have it. But I have great pride in the longevity like fucking 25 years is hard to do. And I wonder where you sit with this and tell me about the abs and flows of those aspirations. That's a good way to put it. I have thoughts similarly. I've had my abs

“and flows. I've had career highs and years where nothing was fucking happening. But I think”

those ultimately led to me finally then sitting and writing a script I was proud of. And then I've had moments where I was like, I cannot believe this is happening. I mean, I can't believe this is all happening at the same time. This is so crazy. I'm so neurotic. So something awful is about to happen tomorrow. So that's part of doing this job where freelance and you know that you either have nothing or you have too much. Nobody has the right amount of it.

Yeah, and it's a wave and if you ride it wrong, you crash. And if you ride it right, it can keep going and going. In fact, I'll give you an example that little part I did on Bad Monkey. I got a lot of love for it. Yeah, yeah. I was sending you a love letter text. You did in a lot of other actors. I respect a lot as well. I would see a celebrity actor that I love. I don't know them that well. And I'm like, hey, man, how are you? And they were like, hey, dude, bad monkey, you crushed it.

And it would just make me feel so good. Yeah, of course. And it had been a minute, right? I've been doing a lot of directing. I had been in it and it certainly been a long time since I'd

“gotten a juicy dramatic part. Yeah, I think a lot of what people were saying was like, I forgot”

he's so good. Oh, thank you. It's fun. It's like when Edward Norton acts. He acts once a decade. You know, like, oh, that's right. He's one of the greatest ever. Yeah. But I'll tell you. I got an offer to do in India. That was very challenging playing a cop. True story about a cop who was a narcotics

cop outside Baltimore and lost his daughter to drug addiction and amazing script. It's called clean hands.

This is going to hopefully be on the festival circuit. But I think I got that offer probably on managing because of my work on Bad Monkey. Yeah, I had the courage to do it because of the

most incredible experience where I really let myself go to a place I haven't because I had a little bit of wind at my sales. Yeah. I don't even have any of course. And it shows in the movie that movie I'm really proud of. And so, yes, I guess to answer your question to be able to make a living in this wacky ass career path for 25 years, I feel so grateful. I know so many talented people

that are incredible that aren't working or can't get work or had to move out of LA. I never

go to sleep a single night without putting my head on my pillow and saying how grateful I am for the things that have happened. There were periods where I felt bad for myself that I didn't

“hit the mark I was going for. And then a lot of weird things happened over time. What about this?”

This is unexpected and who would have guessed it? I mean outside of this podcast world, the goals you set for yourself as a filmmaker. Yes, or as an actor, like what I was trying to get to. And I now have the vantage point of like, oh, I got to do a ton of stuff multiple times. And I'm still around. But you also don't know what's around the quarter. Bill is a perfect example. He created Spin City when he was like 25 years old. And then he makes scrubs. And then after scrubs,

he does a lot of stuff, cougar town and undatable. But it isn't hitting the zeitgeist like those two first days. Yeah. Yeah, I think thought like, okay, I've had a good career. I can't complain. I love what I do. And then all of a sudden, lasso breaks. And then shrinking breaks. And then bad monkey breaks. And I can guarantee you this Karel show called Rooster that I directed for HBO is amazing. It's going to break. And now we're doing the scrubs revival that hopefully

will break. So that man is on absolute fire. My point is he didn't expect that at all. He didn't think this was his 50s. We're going to be about you. And I also have a unique experience in that we go back and forth from overseeing everything to just being an actor, which is such a mindfark. It is. Yeah, we're talking on that. When you're directing and producing the show, there's so much

pressure. And there's always a problem. You open your phone. There's 11 fires being put out.

And then everyone is like this all day long. And you're looking at your watch going, we are so fucked for time. What are we going to do? How am I going to shoot that next scene in an hour? And the actor, 180 degrees is like, we got it. All right, I'll be in my trailer. Bye. I'm going to go lay down and read my phone. Yeah, I'm going to go lay it in secret.

“Are you guys are all sweating because of all those problems? Yeah. I think what's different from”

me on scrubs, I directed this pilot of the revival. Okay. We'll get right into it. I just watched it. Did you like it? It's so good. So excited. You know, I didn't watch scrubs not because I had anything against it. I was 25 and I was an addict. I didn't watch any TV. I totally messed scrubs. I've seen an episode or two. But I'm watching this. And I'm remembering

oh, it has that same thing that I saw the first time. What's again, you would think would be easy

to capture. But I think it would be really hard. It is. So it's got that thing. But I must have said five times in my wife was getting ready in the bathroom. I'm like, this show is fucking good. His own saying it. And then Vime is like, this show is really good. I mean, it's just a fucking good show. Like I missed it. This is a great show. Start the first with the kids. With the kids, I love that original scrubs so it would be really tricky for people like yourself who didn't

“watch the show and watch it now and get into it. And hopefully they love it. There is”

eight good seasons of the OG that they can go back and watch how we became when we became. Yeah, you be a thing. But you do a very clean and effortless. It's not laborious. Catch up to what's going on. We meet you. I'm working as a conscious doctor. And I've been separated from my friend group. I haven't worked there for 17 years. Donald's character Turk and myself. We were best friends. The whole bromance thing. We really have both kind of fallen into Melancholia because we're lacking the

community and friendship. This shows theme songs as I can't do this all on my own. It's what helped us get through what these men and women who work in hospitals deal with. The ups and downs, the highs and lows of being one of these superheroes that work in a hospital. You have a patient who returns to grandmother who collapsed at her grandson's soccer game. And I live an hour away because my patient ended up back at Sacred Heart. I have to come so that I'm re-entered into the

world. I haven't been there in a very long time. I can't wait. It's very meta. It's like returning to high school after you've left. And you're returning to high school after you left. And what's really trippy. I'm getting goosebumps talking about it, which is funny because I've lived it. We used to shoot scrubs in an abandoned hospital in the valley, Riverside and Whitsit. And that building got torn down in order to do return to Sacred Heart, in the hospital. We had to build recreate the entire thing

two perfection on a soundstage. And so now I enter the soundstage fully dressed and fully recreated down to like the dusty murals on the wall. And it's a place I haven't been in 17 years, but it's

the show ended. Yeah, but we started in 2000. There are a few young people playing interns on the show that were born the year we started Aaron because they're 25 years old. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. First there are 25 years ago. Crazy. It's bonkers. Now I can't put too fine to point on it. It's fucking great. Thank

you, man. Yeah. John Seemaginley looks incredible. I don't know what his protocol is. He's a beast like

you. He works out like a motherfucker. He's looking great. He's very into the sonic called plunge. Donald's looking fit. Donald does not age. We're posting all this stuff because we're promoting it. And anytime I post a picture of Donald and myself, every third comment is, wow, Donald didn't age. Sure. But no, everybody came back. Was it emotional? Yeah. It was my 20s. This is what I need you to answer because the sweetest chunk of my life as an actor was parenthood. It was just beautiful

from day one to the end. And there are many times where it's like, if I ever wanted to act again,

“that's what I would want to do. And then I have this great figure of like, but is it returning”

to high school, would I go and then just be broken hearted? No, it can't be that thing. Are you so close with all those people? Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely can be. Yeah. So tell me that part of it. Well, as unique for our cast is we're all very close. We love each other. We text, we do things together. Bill and I are best friends. Donald and I are best friends. I go out to Johnny's house, he lives out in Malibu. He's the one who got me into, saw an uncalled plunging and taught me

the benefits of it all. Sarah lives in Vancouver, Christopher Miller, Bill's wife. We're all very close. We go on vacations together. And so the idea of we're just going to get the band back together. It isn't like going back to high school in a sense that you're going to feel misplaced. It's we're going to see what these people are like now. Because Scrubs is about a teaching hospital first and foremost. And when we entered the world in 2000, we were young, wide-eyed, newbies,

and all the ways. Yeah. We were living it. I had just come from waiting tables. Didn't take much to play a guy wide-eyed in over his head. Yeah. And now in the same metaway as I come back, I'm directing the pilot. We're coming back and now we're the teachers for the young kids. The story is still about us, but you can't tell a story of a teaching hospital without students. Right. First question, how much did the success of the pit plan to this coming back and how much did you and Donald

“being in the T-Mobile commercial? What is the recipe that leads to the relaunch? I think it was”

our podcast, first of all, did really well. Okay. I mean, not Armchair Expert. We don't know, maybe it was bigger. You just ran out of episodes to watch. No. It certainly was not on the level of your show, but it had a big following and enough so that we could feel it. We could feel that it was popular. And it did sort of suffer when we ran out of episodes because you're both very good at interviewing people. That's not a skill set. Donald and I really have. We were good at

telling jokes and laughing and we could keep it all day long. You get interviewed forever. Right, and we can just chat. Yeah. Yeah. I like to imagine the audience enjoyed some of that. We also would go on long-ass tangents. We were also very candid. His wife would come on and they were very kind of we had a sex therapist thought it was hilarious because him and his wife just started going to a session with the sex therapist. And it was so fun. And they are both very open. Like there's

no secrets. But it's just great. We're interviewing the sex therapist. We're being boys. We're asking all the questions. She really can't flap this woman. Just ask her whenever the fuck you want to ask her.

She's an amazing guest. And Donald starts to talk about how him and his wife have an issue.

And I can say this because they already brought it out. It's on the podcast. He has a much bigger libido than she does. Sure. And he's the libido. He's 50 years old and he has libido of a 16-year-old.

“That's why he's so youthful. Casey comes on and she's like, "All right, I'm ready to talk”

about it. She got to sell an access to an access to an access." And it starts kind of finding as a joke. And then the woman starts giving them genuine counseling. This is a very common problem. Let's talk about it. And it was so candid and interesting and funny that I was like, "Oh, this I enjoy." Yeah. Yeah, of course. But my point is, outside of that rare exception, we were best when we were shooting this shit about an episode of the show. Right.

That's why it's sort of faded out. Maybe we'll start doing it again. Now that there's more episodes to talk about. So that was encouraging. The podcast was one big thing. Then the T-Mobile campaign became really successful. And then they kept re-opping us. And then I think Bill, just being on fire,

we always choked, because Bill loves a panel. If you're listening to this in your orchestrating

a TV panel, if I go in a little time, and every panel the man's ever been on. He's like, "Yeah, we're gonna do something to scrub." You haven't figured out yet, but we're doing something. So in my mind, you know, the show's psych, whatever channel they're on, they had done some psych movies. I thought, "Oh, me will do that." Or we'll do six episodes. We'll do something. How could we not? We're all available. There's interest. Bill wants to do it. Bill's on fire.

I think it was being negotiated long before the pit. Because it took a long time to negotiate. This is a business he thing that most people won't care about. But Bill's deal is something else. Bill has a huge Warner Brothers deal. One of the biggest of all time. Yeah, good for him. Good for him. Almost teamwork will money. This is a Disney property. So it took like two years for them to all talk.

Yeah, they're all about all that lawyers. So literally once we said yes, it was like two years

was, but it was never revealed until the end. Oh, it's prime time ABC 8 o'clock Wednesday nights.

Who's the next day? The full push. February 23rd. February 25th. February 25th. February 25th. February 25th. February 25th. February 25th. Eight o'clock was showing both episodes one and two back to back. Brilliant. And then it's on who's the next day. And then if you're listening to this anywhere around the world, it's most likely on Disney plus episode two. Also great. I watched one and two prior to this. It's a good show. It's a good show. I just like that while your wife's

getting ready. You're y'all. It's a good show. My tone is like there's no way you can say anything but this. Well, I put on a whiteboard some very into whiteboarding. Okay. We said, you know, a lot of people are going to come out to show like this with their arms crossed. Uh-huh. Because the show is meaningful to a lot of people. Where's it streaming on whom? Who? I imagine still huge.

“It is. I think it's gotten a bump because of the push. And so we said, we have to make the pilot”

on the eyeball. And when you say that you're yelling the Kristen. That's good. That makes me feel like we did our job. Because we just knew that the show was important to a lot of people. We didn't want to do them wrong. You know, it takes place in 2026. We had to make a modern diversion of it. And we were 50 years old. But we wanted to honor the tone of the show that they loved. What about having to say the medical jargon? Is it been a while?

It's just like if you've ever had to memorize a little piece of another language for a part. I have it. I do have anxiety when I want to do human onset or man sometimes. And first of all, you can say when you read the script, send me the nurse who's on set saying how you say this. Okay. Okay. So then you kind of get it in your head. And then she's on set. So you can be like, am I saying that right? After it takes whenever I do a procedure, even when I did the cop movie,

I did a little police training. But there was a detective on set and after every take, I'd be like, I don't know how you did it on chips, but art wasn't a comedy. And I certainly didn't want to fuck anything up. After every take, I'd be like, please tell me. I want to go again if I didn't look right. He's like, that look great. So I have the same relationship with the nurse who's on set on scrobs. The AMA people will be surprised to hear as said that scrobs was the most medically accurate show on TV.

I've heard that. I never heard that. I never heard that. I've heard that. I've heard that. I've heard that. They're saying that about the pit. The pit is taking the mantle. In fact, I slid into

no while these DMs. Wait a second. I love the pit. Yes, fucking. And I always thought no while he never got

the flowers. He deserved this nightmare. I love actors. So when I see an actor who's finally having their moment, I feel this thing in my heart for them. Yeah, yeah. So I never met no whiley. I don't think. But I DM dim, and I said, I just gotta say this shows wonderful. And you're just a phenomenal actor. And he wrote back, thank you so much, Zach, that means a lot paraphrasing, but it was something the effect of we knew going into this, that scrobs was known as the most medically accurate.

And we really wanted to achieve that level of success. Oh, wow, that was kind of. So that was very

“special. They also had wells on their side who had done ER. Right. Was he already out by the time?”

No, but I give it a lot of the shows that are dramatic. Take dramatic license because look at crazy anatomy. The things that have happened for you are the things that have happened. Well, if you were telling me, he's on an ER at Ben and it's like six or seven little kids have gotten eight. Yeah, I was like that. I watched the ER again after the pick, because I needed more mainly more no whiley. Every two episodes, someone has eight and it's often like a kid at the

way that probably they're not thinking about is the drama has to keep the drama going. Yes. And when you're on a comedy, maybe you have the license to keep it more realistic because there is a mix

of comedy and drama. You don't always have to have someone on their desk bed and you're doing CPR.

Also, the pit and ER both ER shows. It's interesting about scrubs. We do have emergency situations, but we never deal with the world of the ER. Right. That's true. Okay. There's a feather in your cap. So, sorry. This is a spoiler. Coldplay is in this episode. Song or the people this song? But don't tell what song. I'm not going to. But a Coldplay song is in. It's used masterfully. Is it fixed you? Don't talk about it back. We're saying politics.

And it's not magic. That's all you get to work with. So now Chris starts the end of her thing. I've screamed. It's good. It's good. And then the Coldplay song hits. And then the last couple lines. And she can hear me. I have like some predictable sounds. I make as if I'm approaching crying.

“And an nervous laugh is kind of a part of it too. So I think she's in there and she hears like,”

"I'm all by myself in the bed. She's in the bed." She goes, "Are you crying in there?" And I go, "No, fighting my heart is not to, but I definitely want to." That's true. That's the tone. That's the whole show. I didn't know we went there in the show. It caught me by surprise. You also break her heart. That is not saccharine. It was like,

John C. McGinley says to you. Don't you understand? I'm just saying he says something. He says, "Come on. He's going to say the lots of things."

That it's like a Samsung commercial. Yeah. It feels like a Samsung commercial.

Her yelling from the bathroom, you trying in there. Yeah, that's pretty much what's going on. Thank you. That means lots of me. Yes. The show part of the brilliance of the Bill Lawrence Universe is that we make you laugh and then all of a sudden we catch your heart. And I should give a credit to a seam-batra who is the current show runner of the show. And her team of writers, we then catch you when you're not expecting it and hopefully break your

heart a little bit. Yeah, you did it. Congratulations. You remind me we have too much in common.

“Not just our looks. I used to watch extreme makeover home edition. Do you remember the show?”

Sure. Sure. Sure. Man could they pull on your hearts when the reveal happened. When they would say bus driver moved that bus. I remember just but sometimes they would have a special needs child and they would have built a special thing for the child. And I use to remember not just crying, but making our...

Making noises. They were involuntary. Yeah, you never think to do them in a scene. We're just

supposed to cry. No, but you know when you're just there's a tear falling because it doesn't stop there. Your body goes, and you're in a plan. You're body now. Yeah, yeah. Stay tuned for more armchair experts. If you dare. Do you cry a lot in life? Not in life, but I love more than anything when a movie or a TV show moves me to tears. I love that feeling. I love life. Because maybe that's why you guys make all these

“girls. I hadn't cried from I think nine years old soon when my best friend went to the hospital”

seven years ago. So whatever that is. 35 years. Wow. And now I have these little beautiful girls and they sing songs on stage and I cry. I'm now starting to cry more and more. To the part where it's almost on 10. Why I have had a couple big cries here when we're interviewing people. Monica's like, okay. He hit the limit. He hit the limit. He hit the limit. Yeah, and now he's crying. No, but sometimes I'm like, again, the line you worry about is that it doesn't seem genuine. It is

genuine. I'm here to tell everyone. It is genuine. But sometimes you're like, well, you can't cry at this because this isn't a big enough thing. It's kind of like when you're making a movie. The character can really only have two crying moments max. Yeah. Yeah. You're starting to exceed your crying moments. Yeah. You're talking about a daughter. Anyone has got a daughter or a daughter telling me about how she feels about her dad that's a guess I'm done. I have two little girls since

“all I think about. It's just a fast past to cry from the horrible things that have happened. But I don't”

in my daily life cried much, but I love the feeling whether it's a play, if it's a TV show, if it's a movie where I feel like coming. It's so wonderful. Okay. I have some now personal questions. What did your relationship with your looks? I want to compare it to where mine has evolved. When I was younger, there was no one calling me hot. And I was very insecure about how I was going to make it in Hollywood because I would go on these auditions. And I would sit in the waiting room.

And I would look at all of these beautiful men who were hot. And they were reading for the part. And I was like, I'm not going to get this part. I don't look like that. And that would make me very insecure. I think there's two sides of that coin. I had that experience. And then also I'd be at the commercial audition for hobbies. And I was like, I don't look character enough either. I'm not goofy enough looking to get all these funny goofy roles. And I'm not handsome enough.

I feel like I'm just caught in this purgatory doldrums of I'm not goofy looking and I'm not attractive. I felt the same way. Right at a school, I got what even before school, I got cast as Woody Allen and Diane Keaton's son in Manhattan murder mystery. Even though it was a small part, I knew I'd beaten everyone in town out for it because it wouldn't have wanted that part. So I got a little bit of confidence at 18. Then I went to school and learned filmmaking and study

acting. And I got out of school. And the first thing I got was a very high profile production of Macbeth in New York starring Alan Baldwin, Angela Bassett, Leib Schreiber, Michael Seahaw, George C. Wolf directed it, huge theater director. I was the young guy who played two different young roles. And so that kind of gave me like a whoa. I just got a really big part for a young guy created a college. So I did start to have a little bit of confidence that I could act. But when I

came out here and I saw how pretty everybody was, I was concerned that I wasn't going to

book TV. And I didn't really. I would never make it very far. I never for a love interest kind of

saying, I just wasn't getting that. It was frustrating. When I was waiting tables out here in 99, I was thinking like, gosh, I don't know. Maybe I should have stayed in New York. The cool Indies were at that point coming out in New York. And theater, there's not that same bar. No, a theater is going to choose the best actor. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. It's a meritocracy. And then scrubs happen, which is though, Bill, Newme and studied me and wrote a part for me. It was so tailor-made

sense of humor. That's what gave me my big break. But the first thought I had was, oh, this is going to help me get my movie Garden State made. Uh-huh. Because no one was going to fucking cast me in Garden State if I hadn't written. Yes. Yes. So I knew maybe you have felt the same way that I'm going to have to create stuff for myself. Yes. So my journey is like, hey, did I? I loved was bombed. I've got an older and older and older. I like how I look now, especially at 51.

And then even crazier. I wonder if you're having this experience without naming names, there was a whole region of our peers that objectively, for sure, in our 30s and 40s, I'm like, that guy is so much better looking than me. It's insane. A bunch of those dudes. And now, because of this war of attrition and the longevity, one of these guys, I'm like, and I'm like, I don't think that anymore. That's my journey with it. Some of my peers have fallen off and

“it's crazy to know when you should wish for what? I don't know that I feel that. I do see people”

getting plastic surgery, which I think is crazy. There's nothing I want to talk about. You and I clearly haven't had faith lifts. But I want to do this in the mirror though. I tell you before I've seen a bunch go a ride, you might have. But I do this and you know, we both have this thing down to this. They're called festoons. Oh, we know he knows all about genetic. So I, of course, in the mirror, sometimes unscrubs. And I'm like, in the makeup trailer going like, can you do this? I don't

like, no, we can't do that. That's a plastic surgery. I don't do that. You looked crazy. That did not my point is, of course, it had crossed my mind being vain in security. But I've seen enough people go a ride that I'm not going anywhere near it. Well, yeah, that's what I want to talk with. So A, I have zero judgment if someone does it. I don't give a fuck if anyone gets a face. Yeah, that's great. Cut to me like being on the showing five here. Remember when I said, too, I go to the dentist.

I wiped my teeth. There's a lot of things I do and I work out like crazy because I want my body to look a certain way. Like, I'm vain. I just wonder if you're caught in this cycle of thought. Most of the time, I'd say good 80% of the time. I'm like, this is actually kind of cool. I'm going to be one of the few people that didn't have a face lift. And I'm going to look weirdly authentic.

“And I think that's going to have some weird value. Like, I think I'm choosing the right path.”

20% of the time, I'm like, this is crazy. Why what? And I have the money. And I am vain.

I also, but aren't you worried to me? The fact that it can go a ride. Like, I never

got LASIC because I don't know what minuscule percentage of cases of LASIC go a ride. But I never got LASIC. I was like, my eyes are my whole life. That might be totally neurotic and crazy. But I feel like, oh my gosh, you're face. And also, if you and I all of a sudden work, well, you're tiny but noses. If we had little cute noses, and a fucking pronounce chin and a jawline, wouldn't people be like, what the fuck did you do? They would. And we'll get no festoos.

Don't you think, I mean, you said it's all the time. Like, what's attractive about people is the differences. It's not for some people, obviously, it is. But it's like the classic looking cookie cutter is not what's interesting. And everyone who's starting to melden to one look, I think it helps us that we're the age we are because I'm playing a grizzled cup, a dad, the parts are different.

You're not trying to be the leading man who gets the girl. I was never competing for

those roles really. I did one or two of those, but I was never going to be the Glenn Powell of the moment. Yeah. Okay, now I'm going to put you on the spot. And this is to answer my own curiosity. I'm so interested in all the parallels. But when you directed a good person, you had reached out to me a couple times about like AA and I don't know what I said was helpful or not. Very helpful. Thank you. You were the first person I reached out to because I started writing this movie about recovery

as I was just brainstorming and getting the story right, I didn't want to go down any wrong paths. And you helped me right off the bat clear up some questions I had. My main complaint about

“when I see it in movies is everything so heavy and so important and when someone's sharing it's like”

they're about to die and I'm like everyone has the biggest sense of humor about all the wreckage they've had. That is not the vibe ever. Yeah. Even when it's tragic, that's just not our vibe. But at any rate, I have come to learn that a good person was really you kind of processing through this movie both your sister, one of your best friends who was living with you during COVID who died of COVID which is insane at 41. He's got to be one of the very few young people that

went down like that and although those aren't directly the storylines they're you dealing with that. Yeah. I wrote a good person during COVID. My sister died of an aneurysm. My best friend was living in my guest house and he got COVID at 41 in March at the very beginning. Right at the beginning. Yeah. As wife Amanda Clutes is unknown influencer and actress and performer and she is very public about it because she wanted to share with people that this could happen to a 41 year old.

And he never came out of the hospital. Again, it was very early on and they didn't know a lot of things.

I can't help but think if it had been today, it would have been a very different outcome.

Chris Huvane. Did you ever know? Oh yeah. I knew he died by suicide. He took his own life. So all of this happened.

“I didn't know what to do with it at all. When you start to write something, I don't know if you”

feel this way. I don't always know what it's going to be about. Right. He just started to say this

character is on my mind. This seems on my mind. This image is on my mind. And so what came out was a good person. I ended up being a story about grief. There is recovery as a character in the story, but it's really about grief. So the thing I've been curious about you for 25 years is what's your relationship with alcohol and drugs? Or was there ever dicey period? It's a good question. No one's ever asked me that. Maybe Rich Roll, who actually helped me a lot on of your friends with Rich.

I'm not. I keep hearing his name and I've never watched a show. I watched it because you were on it. Oh my god. You would be best friends with the guy. I feel like you're from what I saw. So much in common? Yeah. We'd either hate each other or love each other. You know, you can go either way when you're born and you know, he's a fitness nut. He's a marathoner. He's one of those extreme guys. He was an addict and completely changed his life around. And now,

he is a very successful podcast. Do you have a lot in common? And he loves his wife and kids.

Yeah. I definitely have had binge drinking problems in my life. My problem with alcohol was never

oh, I want to drink it noon. And so I rationalized that just drinking a fuck ton on a Saturday night until you blacked out wasn't an alcohol problem. Right. Right. Right. Both of you have depression and anxiety. Depression, anxiety. The works. Do you have ADHD, do you think? No. I definitely had panic attacks and OCD and all that. Uh-huh. About cocaine. Do you ever powder your notes? 'Cause that's a very good drug. Are you afraid to say that in public? No. I never got into cocaine.

I used to smoke a lot of weed, but ultimately that wasn't for me. College aged me and older, but then I got sick of it. So was there ever a point where you're like, oh, I got to kind of get this on the road? Yeah. I think I had some embarrassing experiences where I was just drinking too much. They accumulated. And so I reached out to Rich Roll actually because he had had a guy on his podcast that if anyone's listening to this, this is speaking to you. I would watch this episode. The

program was called One Year No Beer. And it was an English guy who was just in the business world and let's whole career was drinkless pints. Every day he had to go for pints at lunch and pints after him. He did blow and I said, believe in all sorts of things. And his episode of Rich Roll really spoke to me, not because I've had that kind of relationship with alcohol. But because he said,

“go on this journey and see what your life is like without it. I think it's worth your time to see”

out of curiosity. A, can you not drink? Because that's something you should know. And B,

you should be curious to see how you feel without it. Yeah. I had never done that. Rich had the

one who I reached out to because he was in big inspiration to me. I watched that guy's podcast and we eventually had him on our podcast. And I did a month with actually no alcohol in my body. And then I did another month. And everything he was saying started to come to fruition that I was feeling better overall. Less depression. Part of his whole thing is you are taking in any press and pounding a depressant at the same time, which is not if you think about it. And he said, if you drink

a couple times a week, the alcohol never fully leaves your system. So you always have this low grade chemical in your body, a depressant. And so I started to feel everything that he was talking about. Once I flushed the depressant out of my body, I was feeling lighter, I was having more energy, I was feeling happier. For me, I was like, oh, mornings are nice, mornings had it been nice for 12 years. Well, I hang over at 50. I mean, you haven't experienced this. I mean, I know

they were at the dog days of my 29th year. They were fucking insurmountable, which is why I had to start drinking in the morning. They were too much. Yeah. So anyway, I had a curiosity. I ended up doing 13 months, never touching booze. Yeah. And totally reset my relationship to it. What were the downrever results? Did you start looking at your romantic relationships differently in that period? Do you know if there was any kind of ancillary effects? I know that I had a lot more energy

than I wasn't as depressed and I overall 100% felt better. It was almost the most valuable in gradient of the antidepressant. It was almost like it not taking it. It was like taking the best antidepressant. Right. Just omitting. So if you're listening to this and you're taking antidepressant and you're drinking several times a week, I'm here to tell you if you were listening.

“If you have to be listening. You have to be listening with them. It's up to you. You should try”

how is this your story? You should watch this podcast. I'm telling you it really made me want to try. And by the way, it isn't about you're going to give up alcohol forever. I drink wine, maybe once a week. I dinner with friends socially. I don't get drunk anymore. It's about A she when it feels like when it's fully out of your system. At least try two months and you'll notice it. I have kept feeling so good. I did 13 months. But then I went back to buy okay. I don't

have a problem. I don't want to binge drink any more. I've broken the habitual nature of it. So it's like now it has a difference. No more booze. I don't do spirits all. I'll supply a dinner. I'll have a mimosa at brunch. I don't get hammered anymore. Because I just didn't like myself like that.

feel like. Come on. And then two two months, then you kind of get excited. And also another ancillary thing. Not that you have this problem at all. But as a fitness person, the weight just falls off of you. Oh, yeah. I lost like 20 pounds in the first four months. I got lean in a way. I

had never seen my body. That was kind of exciting photos. I would love to see. I sent them to

my girlfriend. You said sometimes people can gain weight because they're feeling the sugar loss with sugar or sugar. It is very common for people to get out of treatment. Who are like more

“poor alcohol? Right. I also want to say and Dax, you should help me say this correctly. This is”

for someone who was not drinking any amount of alcohol. No one should go cold turkey if they're having a serious alcohol problem. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You might want to be medically supervised. If you experience the D.T.s when you don't drink, I just want to be careful. I was just been drinking, not just. I was been drinking, not drinking every night. Yeah. I was just all the time. I'm just been not drinking. But there's so many ways for alcohol to be a problem. You're

been drinking or you're drinking moderately, but every day. You know, you've seen the trends

of next generation drinking your way down. Oh, yeah. Isn't it insane to think how alcohol was marketed to us our whole lives? Talk about successful marketing. Our whole lives. Fun is alcohol. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All those ads. You are not going to the beach. You are not going to the game. You are not hanging out with friends unless you're drinking. Absolute vodka had such a successful campaign because they did really cool variations of their ad and magazines and stuff. This

swimming pools. Yeah. And I had a whole wall of my parents didn't care because they thought, oh, he's into graphic design. Yeah. And I had a whole wall in my bedroom that was absolute vodka.

“And in hindsight, I think God, it was brilliant marketing. We were just fed that if you're a human”

and you want to have a good time, alcohol needs to be in part of it. That was never a question.

And we all have some varying degrees of social anxiety and it helps with that. So either the young people who don't do it as much, that's on a downward trend. And then the increase in GLP one users. So even people that are older now, so many people aren't GLP ones and that reduces your drinking like crazy. What's GLP one? Majernal, Trezzepatide, Zepatide. I know what is those happen. That makes people not want to drink. Oh, my God. Yeah. Like people who were three

glass and night wine drinkers are a half a glass and they don't even really want it. Oh, that's interesting. Oh, that's almost like a cross to the board. Years went down, right? Your frequency is the same, but you're intake is less. Yeah. Is there talk that it could be helpful for people in recovery? There is talk. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know who's launching the study or funding it, but it's being observed nonstop. There's all these off-label effects of this drug. We have 30 doctors on here to say,

like, it is the most merically drug we've had in the last 60 years. Not just for weight loss. No, because once you're on all your metabolic conditions start getting better. So Alzheimer's heart disease just reduces inflammation kind of in total. Yeah, and you're fasciated, so you don't desire alcohol. It's insane how many positive effects. Wow. I feel like I should go on a sample. Let's get you on a monochrome. You're very thin. Thank you. It's not for weight loss. So originally,

I was like, oh, I want to see what it does to my cholesterol. I have high cholesterol. So it's supposed to be good for that. And then yeah, we just had so many people on that are like, it's great for your brain markers. It's great for this. If you've dimensioned your family. We're an Alzheimer's study with one of the premier Alzheimer's experts in the world. And he's a thin guy who's on it. He's like, yeah, it has a lot of beneficial effects on a lot of these markers we look at for Alzheimer's.

Wow. If you don't have the food chatter, I will say, which I don't. You do have to remind yourself to eat. You do have to be like, I need to eat breakfast now. If you start, yeah, without food chips, you'll get two things. Yeah, and you got to eat food. You know, you got to eat,

“but these are those people get to skin. It can be slippery. So you have to monitor it. Like anything,”

it's going to be abusive. You might have to eat a lot to maintain muscle mass. What do you do protein shakes? I do protein scoops in my oatmeal every morning. I have the most boring diet in the world. I am such a creature of habit. I eat the same exact thing almost every meal. That helps you not have to think about it. Yes. And I am very ADHD. So proteins work great for me. So I do the same thing every morning from the meditation to the journal to the when I get my coffee to

when I'm allowed to look at my phone. Then when I get to have my oatmeal, I'm like rainman in some ways. And I'm happiest. Can you count cards? Yes. Well, Zach, I adore you. I'm probably more interested in you as what I'm sensing. I enjoy watching our like parallel journeys. When I see you in a team mobile commercial, it's not like when I see phason and the team mobile commercial or any other actor, I go like, oh yeah, there I am in this commercial. Where's my cellar we aging?

Oh, we both haven't had facelifts yet. It was watching scrubs, the reboot and I'm like,

eyedropper. I have to use choice today. It makes my hair greasy. I see the receding now. Yeah. You know, I don't normally rock this clean cut fade. The deck shepherd clean close fades. So we're a little closer. We're grain in a similar way. The sides are gray, but the top still hanging in there a bit. You don't do anything to maintain your hair. Nothing. Nothing. You're so lucky. I just

have to meet my Kristen Bell. Uh, well, how is that evolved? Because if I give me critical, I've

bumped into you over the years and you've often been with very attractive slightly younger girls are often that's been the case. Not always. Not always. Of course, that's been a critique, but not always. Oh, is that a popular critique? It's been heard that is a popular idea. I don't know. You make those lists of words. Yeah. No, no, but with Florence, of course, I did because we had an age gap, but that's not been the rule for me. I have a crush on someone. Have you evolved in relationship?

Yeah. What were you doing wrong that you know that you're going to try to do right? Not just looking for adrenaline of the moment looking for something that could be long term in a life partnership. Like reorganizing the top five attributes were attracted to type of thing. Or perhaps also because I'm 50 years old. I don't know if I'm past the age of having children or not. I don't think so. I have a lot of people who your age have kids. I guess I'm open to the idea of, I mean,

“not that you should if you don't want to. No, but I'm saying, I think it took me reaching the stage”

to be like, I'm open to either way. I would fall in love with whom ever the universe puts in front of me without being attached to the notion that I should have children or not. Which something that I've pivoted on? Do you think you used to potentially pick partners that when you walked into a room you felt proud to have them on your arm? I think I've always had that, but that might not be just there looks. I wouldn't be in with someone that I wasn't so proud to have my girlfriend whether it be

per sense of humor. Do you think that's changed though into more personality? Over time,

I have said always been like, um I don't know. Well in your first interview we did talk about

your schooling experience and then going away to camp and that you were the king of camp and then you would have turned around all the time. Yeah, school. Yeah. And so I think when someone's had that experience and they have a lot more options at their disposal, I've yet to meet the person who doesn't want to explore those options. Yeah. I did too for a long time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Everyone got that. And I've definitely did that. Now I'm ready to settle down. 50. You had a great one. Yeah. It's

never too late. You can also be like, there's these dudes they're 85 and they never decide to do that.

“And I guess that's fine for them. That's just a line in this is 40 where I think it's Jason Seagull.”

He says I'm going to clean it. Yeah, but look at what Clooney did. I know, but at the time, he was not Clooney it. And then what's your name? I forgot the actor. She says he has sad eyes. What's Chad Oppa told his wife's name? Leslie Mann. I think it's Leslie Mann. I was in the growings with her. I'm going to Clooney it. He has sad eyes. Yeah. Thank you for having me. Yeah, I was so thank you most importantly for liking my show. It means lots. Yeah. It's a good show.

Good show. Good show. Good show. I don't know what to say. It's good. You can't say anything else about it. It's really good. Well, you're going to love it, Monica. It has the same spirit. If you like to laugh and then all of a sudden wonder why there's tears in your eyes. Yeah. But we got to show for you. All right. I wish you well. Everyone check out Scrubs, airing on ABC February 25th and Hulu the day after. Thank you. You're welcome.

I sur hope there weren't any mistakes in that episode, but we'll find out with my mom. This is Monica comes in and tells us who's wrong. Jumping right in. Let's pop in. Ray. Whoa. Yeah. Whoa. Whoa. I know that's a big pivot. Okay. But I do want to talk about it. Okay. Because I toward the rape treatment center, which is here in Los Angeles, you see a leg. Oh. Okay. Then why so? Yeah. It's connected to UCLA hospital. Like, it's right there by the hospital.

That hospital is really nice by the way. Yeah. I visited some friends there. Yeah. I didn't realize how nice it was. But you know, it's one of those things where I went to the gala last year. And I was like, oh, I didn't know anything about it. And I was sort of taken, you know,

I was like, oh, that's like a beautiful thing. They, the services they provide, which basically

if you go there, if you've been raped or law enforcement brings you there, you go not to the ER.

“You go to the separate area and they talk to you. They do an exam. Is it meant called the rape kit?”

Yeah. I think I think they don't really call that call at that anymore. Okay. The rape kit is the actual, there is a kit and it has like your barcode on it has all like, you know, the samples and stuff like that. But yeah, we walk through the whole thing and like what it's like. And then

like you have some choice in the matter and dignity and and then. So it's the rape treatment center.

And then next to it is the Stuart House, which is for children. Okay. And that also like sexual abuse. Yes. Okay. And there's like a beautiful waiting room and that there are volunteers that go and like hang out with the kids and and then there's like a pretend courtroom in there that they like fully make to look like a courtroom. So they can practice. They can practice and understand like where everyone's sitting and you know, because often like, you know, the

it's they're like stepdad or something sitting and you know, and helping them process all that anyway. And then they offer free therapy, free legal, there's free legal team. I mean,

it's really. And then tell you what kind of volume they have too much. Okay. They said too much.

No, they, there are real numbers that I don't really remember. But I will say that day just while we were there. For how long were you there? The whole thing, probably an hour, hour and a half. Okay. Three different kids were using the courtroom. Okay. So, you know, and it's 24/7, open 24/7. It's very, it's very remarkable. It's only 10% funded federally. Uh-huh. So 90%

“donation. Oh, lovely. And that's why they're really able to like do all of this. And a lot of other”

places that are fully federally funded are like closing or are a lot, there's a lot of now spill over here, which is great. I just want people to know that that's an option if they live in Los Angeles.

Yeah. Yeah. It's, um, it's a really cool thing they're, they're doing there. And I was very moved

by it. And of course, I was saddened, but I was also like, but it's, this is positive. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Now, okay. Now for tricky questions. Okay. It's a, it was a gal of sense, right? It's still raised money. Yeah. So, did you feel it all little weird like mean super dressed up and looking nice and being there? Really? For the actual gal. Yeah. It was, it was daytime cocktail. Okay. But it wasn't like, you know what I'm saying? No, like to be like dialed up at a place like that?

Do you feel, was it like the gal wasn't there? Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. All right. I see. So you would do a gal and then you went and toured it. Exactly. Much different. Yeah. So you were saying though, if you were like the red carpet was in front of the entrance, it would feel, it wasn't there. That was, it was at the scoreball center. Okay. Okay. So the gal happened and then because I was like, oh, wow, I was learning about it and I thought it was so, um, special what they do and, you know,

there were people telling their story and I was like, I want to learn more about this. So that's when we scheduled the tour. Okay. Okay. And anyone can take a tour, they're very like open to having, because it's very hard to just like talk about and tell people what they do. But when you're there and you really see, it is like, it's very moving. Um, so I love my parents at home for that event to go to go do that. Were they invited or you just thought this isn't for them? I didn't invite them. I told them

what I was doing. You could have brought them. Probably. Yeah. I'm sure I could have, yeah. Right. But then I didn't want. Yeah. Plus I didn't want, I don't know. They're on vacation. Yeah. They just

“got in and I was like, I'm going to go to do this rape treatment center tour. So how is your visit going?”

You're on probably what day six of them here? Yes. They leave tomorrow. Uh-huh. They leave tomorrow. Yeah. They've been saying it in my house with me for a week. And you know, that can get tripped. Well, I stopped by the hanging out with them yesterday. I had to have a chance to sit with them. Mm-hmm. And we had a great 90 minute. What's fun is you and I know that we don't ever talk about politics. You and I. Right. Well, we, if we do it ends up badly. Yes. We, we really told. Okay. Yeah.

I, I, I, I, I, I have them. I have a hunch of what your opinions are and a lot of things. But I don't really don't know. And I don't think you know. And I think we've agreed that's for the best for us. Yeah. But your parents are political. How? So I knew like, oh, good. Like, I was actually excited like, oh, I bet we're going to argue about politics, which is fun. I know, which I, I know. I felt, I was like, what's, how's this going to play out? Yeah. Because I, I thought it was, I knew

it was going to go good. All right. I felt like it was going to. I was like, oh, this will be a fun way for you and I to talk about politics, which is so dicey, but somehow they're going to neutralize.

“They're going to neutralize it. Right. Which I think they did. Yeah. Yeah. Because we got into all of”

it. And I haven't really, I avoid it in general, not just with you. I really don't care what anyone's political opinion is. And no one needs to hear mine, really. I have, of course, in opinion on every

It was good. I mean, we didn't agree on a much stuff, but we weren't fighting. Yeah. That's how we agree. We also agree on a lot of stuff. But I should say that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But your parents are incredibly well-informed. Yes. And they, this is a topic they talk about a lot. It's interesting, too,

“because I think Indians in general are really political. Like, we saw that in the Huston thing,”

which was interesting, your dad was just telling us yesterday that, like, Carola is one of the only places in India where they're not divided up into ethnic groups or religions, as much as they're divided up politically. Yes. So it's like there'll be 10 Christians and three Muslims and nine this and that. But they're politically aligned. Yeah. Because in other parts of India, there's big riffs in religion. Yeah. And they mostly are congregated over religion, or probably

some ethnicity. Yes. But not in Carola. So it's like, also he comes from a place that's clearly quite political. Yeah. Yeah. And my grandpa, yeah. So they're just very political by nature. They are. I think also part of that has to do with the generation, like the generations that come here. They need to know what's going on in America as people that immigrated. You know what I mean?

“They feel like they need to be pretty informed. Sure. But I am around a lot of”

first generation Latinos. And I don't hear them talking politics as much. Yeah.

That's probably. That might be true. Yeah. But anyways, we covered it all. I mean, we had Epstein. We had the war. We had the election. We ran through all the hot button topics. And when I left no was mad at each other. That was fun. Yeah. So it's been it's been good. They love the house, which is really nice. Yeah. And it's been a way different kind of trip than normal because of the house because I've had a place for them to be where they can like just watch TV and

hang out. But when I came in here to I was on the patio doing God knows what he's doing. And your mom's watching TV. Telly. Yeah. Yeah. She's been binging some shows that I told her to binge. So yeah, it's been more relaxed, which has been nice. Of course there's there's little things, but that's light. That's family. That's family. Just taught them spades. Now this was funny. So I have to admit that I made a bad stereotype judgment. I had it in my head. I was like,

oh, we'll be really fun if we were playing cards. I wish they knew spades. And I said to Jess, oh, I wish my parents knew spades. And he said, oh, I can teach them. And in my hands, I was like, no, that's not going to work out. They don't play cards. They don't play cards. They don't know what cards are. Right. They're like sea horses. Exactly. Exactly. And then the four of us were having a

“drink. And I was like, oh, I wonder if you guys would want to play spades. Do you ever play cards?”

And my mom was like, no, no, I don't play cards. Not know I wouldn't want to learn. Yeah. And then my dad was like, yeah, like I play cards. And he said there's a game in Kerala called 56,

which is kind of he was like, if you grew up there, you know how to play it. It's like basically the

state game official game of this. That's basically what he said. Yeah. And he said, and it's like, like bridge. And there's betting and there's all the, and he was saying, and I was like, oh, it sounds spadesish. So the spades is bridges as well. Exactly. And he said, my grandpa used to play. And I was like, oh, man, like, I wish I knew all of this. Yeah. Anywho. So my mom's like, yeah, let's learn. So just teaches us. And it's so, it is so funny. What happens immediately? The

personality is come out so quickly. Where my dad is like, oh, yeah, and I know, and then you do this, and you do this. And I already know. And then you're going to like, no, it all. He is such a no,

it all. The reminder of the first time you played with me. I mean, I don't want to make the

comparisons. But he is such a no-it-all. And then what is annoying is he, he's a no-it-all, but he does know. He's good. He is good at it. Like, I was impressed. It was like, oh my God. Yeah, he and he are, because he already knew strategy. He was already counting the cards. He was like, that's already been played. I was like, oh my God. Like, yeah, yeah. And my mom is like, I'm not going, I don't know. I'm this is going to take so long for me to learn. We're going to have to do a lot of

practice. Like, she's like nervous that the rest of us already know. And she doesn't know. And we're all like, it's fine. You're learning. And she just keeps saying it over and over in which was getting annoying. Sure. Sure. You would also want for her. Yeah. To be in her 60s, had an incredibly impressive career as a computer programmer. She shouldn't feel like, oh, they think I'm dumb. If anyone's earned, like, she should be able to stumble through it and just go,

fantasy. We're going to transcend our insecurities. But I don't know that you do. Well, and she is so smart.

Like, I've never, when I've never heard her, not think that about her. So like, it was, it was weird.

I was like, you know, why is she, what's she doing? Like, it's fine. But she literally didn't even know, like, the suits and stuff. She's not, but she more was the horse. Yeah, she was the horse. Yeah. And even though she grew up here, so that was my stereotype, not, you know, not at its best. Really, backfired on both fronts. It did. If one of the two of them should have known cards,

“it would have been her. That's what I think. The stereotype, and it was reverse. It was reverse.”

Yeah. So anyway, she learned and, and then we finished that we started a game and my dad and I were on the same team and then Neil and I mean, Neil, my mom and Jess, right? Yeah, we're on the same team and it was really fun. And then we finished our game yesterday. Oh, you did. You were zoomed.

Yes. So how did it conclude? My dad and I won. Yeah. But kind of club, a very close, actually.

Okay. And then it was also fun because my mom started doing moves, you know, and my dad was like, oh, that's a good move. Like, he was like, and getting impressed. Yeah. Nice. The whole thing was very funny. Well, they're getting flirty. If we're going to call it that, I suppose, they're footsteps to the next. No, you. Do not. I was on the verge when we were hanging out. Yesterday, there was a tiny hole in the political conversation. Uh-huh. And I was like, it was on the tip of my

time. It almost came on my mom three times. I was going to say exactly this. Well, I keep asking Monica if you guys had any boyfriends or girlfriends before you got married and she just has no idea. I was going to get it out of them while we were all together. And I was like, I don't. I'm on a come. I might be upset by there. So I resisted. I'm glad you were in the chamber. Yeah. Well, and then I made the right call. Yeah, you did. Anyway, so that was that was, I also got to say what

was really funny is. So Saturday, I had a burst of ambition. You did. And I was like, I'm going to handle everything that's been driving me crazy about my house for the last six months that I've been ignoring. There was a poem from that was sitting in the Bay Laurel hedges that I've been staring at

“when I'm in the sauna for six months. I agree about. Yeah. Can't walk over there and do it. Was that?”

It was I got a new rug for upstairs in the bathroom and the door wouldn't clear it. Oh, yeah. I'm sure Rob, you experienced that. Did you notice today? Claire is just fine. I noticed you cut the door because we're dealing with the same thing with our basement door right now. So I took the door off the hinges. I cut down the door, re-hung the door, Claire's like a fucking woof. Also, I had to got a new nightstand to match my other nightstand I had from 15, 20 years ago. Okay.

This were chat rocks. So I had this furniture. I got an HD butter cup. I don't know what it is, but I still love it. We still have some of the pieces. My mom has a lot of them. I gave her like my bed and stuff. And so one of them now is in my clubhouse. That little nightstand sits on the right of the couch. And I love it. And then I took a picture of it and said to chat, hey, I bought this in like 2006 at HD butter cup. Yeah. It's like, oh, this is environment for an

unsure. It was sold in these years. That's cool. What you have is this exact thing. Let me scower the internet and find out if there are any for resale. Yeah. I'm like, that's insane. I could have

never figured this out. So it found it. I didn't find that one, but I found another piece of

their furniture on a different nightstand. So at least it's in the same vein. It's like this certain kind of wood that's reclaimed and then lacquered black. So I ordered one. Second hand. So excited. It arrives. It's taller than the other one. So I've been sitting in my clubhouse staring at on either side of the couch and it just wasn't right. So then I cut down the legs of that. They made that the same height. I was banging him out. You know, I'm infamous for

“underestimating how long things are going to take me as you know. Yes. Like, I think I can”

power watch the driveway in like 45 minutes and six hours. Yep. That's it wasn't happening today. I was boogey. I got through all those things and probably like I want to have. Okay. You love to do things. So then my next thing is my gate has been getting hung up for six months on the cobblestone. The gate is very heavy and over the two years since it's been installed. It's sagged enough that it's hung up on the very jagged cobblestone. Okay. So I ordered a stone chiseling kit. Wow.

And I'm like, I'm going to go chisel out these raised areas of the cobblestone so that the gate will close effortlessly. And this one I was like, be able to do that in 20 minutes. And I was out there hammering. Yeah. Listen, we've all heard the expression. I've been breaking rocks all day. That meant nothing to me. That's like this usually used to like,

So I was unprobably our two um laying on my ground hammering cobblestone. I heard a car pull

up and it was you did your family pulling into the neighborhood. Yeah. We were pulling right in the neighborhood and you were you were right there on the edge of the street working on your on your rocks banging the rock. Yeah. And so I ducked my head in the car and your mom was up front and she looked cute. And then your dad looked six years old. He was sitting in the back seat with a seat belt underneath. He has holding a 12 pack of meck-lobe. Well, like on the side, right? Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm going to see like you had a baby. Yeah. It's the hammer something. And he was probably wearing his hat. Yeah. He just looked really cute. It's like, oh, he got his

12 pack of meck-lobe. He is arm around it. You know, it was really, he didn't run it to fall over. I'd be

you're parked, you know. Yeah, we had stopped to get him his his beer. And that's his brand. That's his brand because of of blood sugar. Okay, that's a low glycemic index beer. Yeah. Okay. Good. I have a question because in this isn't in relation to your projects. Okay. It is or isn't. It is. Okay. Do you replace the filters on your furnace? Oh, um, I do but not nearly enough. Okay. Yeah. I've been, um, I've been shamed a couple of times. Gordon Keith famously stated

our house and he went and replaced all of them. Yes. But now we're on a schedule and Carly does it.

“Okay. So. Yeah. Because they in LA they get dirty way quicker than you imagine. I think that's part”

of my problem is growing up. I had to replace them for my mom. You did? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. But rarely, they didn't get filthy. Like humidity keeps dust down, um, for many, many reasons, just LA's way dustier. Yeah. It's very dusty. And so yeah, when I was living at a house, it was like, I'd be sitting on the couch and all of a sudden I'd look up there and I'm like, well, that motherfucker's black and how long has it been black? I just haven't seen it. Okay. Yeah.

So this is part of having an engineer father, right? Like so of course, you know, I come down in the morning and he's like, so you have three, like he's like done his investigations and analysis of the home exactly. His inspection. Uh-huh. And he was like, do you know where your panelists is like, yes, like I already know, I knew, I kind of knew. But yesterday he was like, so, you know, you remember you're going to have to replace the filters and the furnace every three

months. And I was like, no, I don't. And I said that to him. Oh, okay. And he was like, yes,

“you have to do that. And I was like, well, I've never heard of that. I've never heard of that before.”

And I, I mean, are you, are you doing that? And he was like, yes, yeah, dads are obsessed with my Martin my stepdad. Thought about furnace filters more than anything else. Oh my god. Very dad thing to think about. I of course was like, oh, like, I have a different kind. Like, I have an upgraded kind that won't need a replacement or something. Or else I would have known about this. So it's like, I mean, how would I not know about this? If it's that, if it's that like important,

exactly. And then he was like, no, it is. And so he was like, you know, running around looking for where they were. And you was showing. Well, there's the hygienic aspect. But then they also start running way less efficiently. Because they're trying to suck air in through all this clogged filter. He was looking. He showed he found the two. And he was showing me. And I was like, I, I'm like,

“pretty skeptical about this. I think he's being extreme because he is extreme. Like, you know,”

he's an engineer. So he's going to be very on top of all of this extra. And and then though I started panicking, I was like, oh my god. Like, I can't. There's so much stuff. Yeah, I can't have a house. I don't,

I don't know all these things. If he hadn't said that, I would never know that. Yeah,

you would have noticed at some point way too late. You'd have noticed like, oh my god, there's a black box behind that grill. What is that? And you'd realize, oh, that's a filter. And it's filthy. So I was like, there's too many things now to consider that I don't know to think about, I don't even know. Yeah. And then because of my mom kind of overheard overheard, she was upstairs watching TV. And she said, what are you telling her to do? And then he said,

she has to replace those filters. And she said, she doesn't have to do that. And you know, you do, you do. Yeah. And I live by myself. And I'm a homeowner. And I'm going to have to do these things. Luckily, so of course, I texted Bill. My contractor better rents another dad of mine. And I said, my dad, and I don't know if he's just being like extra. But he says, I have to replace the

Oh, right. Yeah. Now, this is, you've wandered into what is sometimes the domestic conflict between

“men and women. Because let's just say in my circle, what was universal is the moms are so mad at”

the dads around Christmas time. Because they don't do a lot of the Christmas present shopping or wrap. And that is a fact. Yeah. And then the dads are kind of mad because the dads do this kind of stuff. But the moms don't even know it needs to be done. So like a lot of times, I'm like, yeah, I know you're mad about the laundry. I do the dishes. I feel like that. But even beyond that, I don't think you know what I do because you're not thinking about their filters or the cobblestone or all the

little dumb things I do that are like mechanical. But you guys don't even know that that stuff. Well, I'm about to. So you have no kind of appreciation. Well, no, it wasn't. Don't you're mad at it. I don't have a husband. I thought I'm not nagging a husband about anything. But I did think

at first I was like, oh my god, I can't do this. And then I thought, you know what, wow,

I'm going to be like very competent at running a house. Because I have to, I have no choice. That's right. There's no partner there to handle things. Yeah, you can't. I can't, I mean, I can't hire people to help me, but I have to know what to hire them for. Like, so I decided to look at a glass, have full. Yeah, you'll become, you'll be very competent. I'll be competent at you can do all in a house. Yeah, it's, I can. I just need to know what it is I need to do. But Bill's

going to help me with that. And of course, Bill was like, and I'm not going anywhere. You know, he's so nice to me. Yeah, he loves you. He's so nice. He's so nice. He's a daughter. Yeah. So, you have a

“children who's older and you're his only child. Oh, okay. I think he has many because he, he has”

all these other climb, not special. He has other clients. He's so nice. Um, my dad was right about that. I guess I was like, I got to ask Docs said, but he doesn't do it, but you do. I do it. And I'm aware of the fact that I should be doing it more, but we've hacked it. Because now it's just on the calendar. Right. And currently does it. Yeah. It is like, I guess I can't really be too proud of myself. You know, okay. Well, that's honest. But it is, there is some obvious domestic

differences in running house holds classically. Obviously, there's a lot of chain differences. Yeah. And my dad does a lot of domestic stuff. He does the dishes. Like, he does a lot. Yeah. But yeah, because of when my mom was like, she doesn't have to do that. He was like, yes, she does have to. And she said, she said something like something like, she's a woman that made me mad. That mobile eyes to you. Yeah, because also I said, well, no, I am. It's just me.

Yeah, yeah. So, yes, I do. And not do the things that need doing because you're a woman. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So, I'm going to be so competent soon.

“I need to take a nap. Oh, I know I don't want to say. And I don't know why I want to say. I think”

I want to encourage people to show their kids movies. Oh, all right.

Great. And I'm always struggling to like, what movie should I show? I know I want to

watch a movie with generally Lincoln, Lincoln's now of an age where she can watch pretty much everything. So, Mulan Rouge. A great movie. Had been forever. Like, my daughter loves singing and musicals. And all of a sudden, I'm like, oh, my god, Mulan Rouge, have a how I've been I showing you that. So, I showed her that that was a big hit. Yeah. And then the one that I just had a hunch, she was going to love. And I bet you haven't seen this. Have you ever seen first blood,

the original Rambo? No. Okay. Now, I bet you're put off immediately by hearing Rambo. But when I want to compare it to you, and it's a perfect comp. Rocky the first one was nominated for Best Picture might have even won. Might have won that year. The subsequent rockies are more cartoonish. They're more like superhero movies. He's he's less of a real person than whatever. But the first one is a legit masterpiece. Okay. He did win Best Picture for that.

It won Best Picture. Yep. In 1976. There you go. None of the other Rockies were going to

even get nominated, right? The original Rambo first blood is a incredible movie.

And it's poignant. And it's really dealing with the issue of the times, which are like these kind of wayward Vietnam vets who are just back in America. Everyone hated them and they had no role anymore. There's a great movie. Okay. But he's immediately he wants to stop in this town to visit an old friend of his from Delta Force. He finds out that guy's dad. He's really sad. He wants to stop in this tiny little town in the cascade mountains in Washington and have a

meal. But the sheriff does not want him there because he's clearly a Vietnam vet. And this escalates

not only did she love it, what I loved was like she loved it for the same reason. I did as a kid.

“And even watching it again is like she wants to know if she could survive.”

She was like, I want to be chased and see if I could get away too. I'm like, yes, me too. Okay. Wow. Stay tuned for more arms share expert. If you dare. He has a knife and in the knife he's got matches and a kid to sew up his suture himself as he needs. He says a one stop shop for survival. Wow. Yeah. And it's a really appealing tail of you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The degree that she's like, I want to figure out how to have a birthday

party that's like a survival. That's fun. It sounds like a lot of moving parts for me. It also sounds like you need a liability waiver. Yeah, everyone. Yes. We all those knives. You got to have the knife. Yeah. Yeah. And who are we going to? I bet there are some things or something. That's kind of fun. Like a survivor birthday party. I took her to Charlie's son had a birthday party at Pable. Yeah. You made me call this ace. Yes. In the whole way, she was like nervous. It was afraid.

It's all boys shooting pain pulls at each other. And I just was like, honey, I just have a hunch. I'm going to love this actually. And she loved it the most. Yeah. She was so into it. So people's kind of that. You can see if you can survive and out Fox the other four. Or what's that called laser tag? Laser tag. Yeah. That's a like a more G-made version. That's fun.

“Yeah. I mainly just kind of hid. I was in defensive mode. That's how I survived. That's the strategy.”

Yeah. That's my strategy. I don't know that that movie is going to be for me. No, it's a great movie. Okay. Chris, it was watching it too. And she was like, oh my god, this I can't believe this is such a great

movie. I would have never thought Rambo John Rambo is the movie. To the point where she went

to bed early and we finished it. And then she woke up in the morning and finished it. I think that's a testament. Okay. That is good. Yeah. One other thing now that we're talking about things you've we've watched. Yeah. I started DTF St. Louis. It's fun. Are you you're watching it? Yeah. I mean, I only watched the first episode. I started the second episode. It's so good. Of course, Steven Conrad. Steven Conrad, the Patriot, your favorite show. Favorite show on it. Four times.

“It's Batman. It's David Harbor. And it is so good. I can't wait. It is so funny and weird and”

very heavy. Very Steven Conrad, where it's like, what is this like, tonally? But oh my god, I was like dying laughing. Oh, I can't wait. Chris is going back to work. So it's kind of tricky. Right. To be a nice suit. That's a show. I'm not allowed to watch. Sure. On your own. Yeah. Well, it's fantastic. Yeah. That's the only reason I haven't seen it. Yeah. I want to be clear. Because I'm an ultimate Steven Conrad fan. Highly recommended. It has a piranious disease. Yeah, it does.

Yeah, it does. Yeah, it does. Yeah. Ding ding ding. But it seems like it goes right after you. Oh, wow. It does. He feels very easy. I don't have it anymore. It'll be clear. You don't have it. I had it. Sure. But you can heal from it. Which I did, luckily.

It's, you know, it's, that was also seeing David Harbor since all the drama. Uh-huh. At first,

I was like, it was like, oh, I can think of that. You were distracted by the drama. I was like, oh, yeah, David Harbor. I mean, he's so good. It's crazy. He's so talented. It just made me think, I mean, I already think this isn't something this isn't new for me. But I'm like, ah, just like celebrity gossip is so annoying. Like, just like people do their jobs. And let's say, of course, if they're hurting people, like, abusing people. Yes, that's bad. Clearly, and people

need to go to jail. But, but I'm just saying bad girlfriends and boyfriends. Yeah, I just don't need to hear about it anymore. I just want to be able to watch these people entertain. That's their job.

I guess if I'm trying to be like, third person observer of it, I'm an alien. I would imagine,

there's something comforting about knowing people that you feel like have too much good luck or or good fortune. Yeah. Our suffering and flawed is somehow comforting. I know. But like, yeah, a shot and Freud, but it's annoying because, okay, so what if he didn't get that, obviously,

get it because of that? Like, we'd all miss out on that performance. Like, he's, I don't know.

“It's just, I'm just, I'm sick of, so I've already talked. Okay. Okay. Anyway. Anyway,”

we have facts. Oh, I have an update that leads right into facts. Right. So the Amanda Pete episode was so fun in that I have not connected those two. Lake and Amanda. Lake and Amanda are now friends. And they're chatting. And I'm on a text right with them. Great. And I said, you know what, I have a concept already. I'd come up with for Zack and I. It's yours. Oh, wow. You handed that out. So now it may come from them.

Nature's nurture may come from us. We'll see. But it's, I've gifted that concept to them if they want to explore it. Oh, so are you going to go play and separated? Yeah. I mean, hijinks and zoos. Yeah. It's like a race to see who. No, I wish them well. I'm not ready to go make a movie. All right. Um, yeah. I mean, I guess we are, it is like two episodes back to back that are doppelganger heavy. Yeah. Yeah. Which is kind of fun. Yeah. Um, oh, other updates are from

Mandapete. Amanda Anka. Ding, ding, ding. Sad. Right. She's married to Peyton, right? Oh, yeah, she's married to Peyton. But she came up Amanda was suggesting that she probably had done all this new moon stuff. Oh, yeah. And she told me that, well, let me see exactly. She participated in some. Okay. Okay. She wants, I hope she didn't cut her hair. Funny. You would say that. No cinnamon or salt, but I would not wash my hair. Good. That was her text. This is where red. I said,

"And did you wear red?" She said, "Socks. I usually sneak the red." Okay. Yeah. That's fine. That'll work. I was told you can do even your underwear, as long as it's something. They'll prevent the jinxing. Yeah. Um, speaking of that. My mom, I just forget. Like, she is so superstitious. And every time we're at a restaurant, we have a drink, she has to cheers. We

“cheer. But we always have to cheers. And she always says, "To good luck and good fortune." I think.”

Something like that. Good health and good fortune. I forget it. But she has to say every time

and if she does, it's like, you know, it's a panic. We gotta say it. Who knocks on wood first

when you guys are together? Her? Her? She's beaten you to the knock on wood. I think. Maybe. Probably same time. Perfectly synchronized, Broadway. But it was funny because we were talking about the, we're talking about these superstitions and like cracks, cracks in the side. Well, you know, not walking on cracks in the sidewalk and stuff. And my dad was like, cracks. And what are what cracks in the sidewalk? There aren't any cracks in the sidewalk. And

she was like, yeah, and I said, yeah, you know, when they, the two, the two pieces mean, he said, "Oh, the joints." You know, he knows all this verb. He's like, "Oh, the joints." No, those are there to prevent cracks. That's true. I was like, "Oh, wow." He was like, "So you can step on those." They're crack prevention. Exactly. Okay. This is also a ding-ding-ding because we're talking about shows. I started the new scrubs since, since. And as I think I mentioned,

I loved the original scrubs. So tell me, I hadn't watched the first, but to me, it seems like

they did it. That's the exact same show. They nailed it. It's so good. In that tone is so specific. Those jokes are so specific. The writing is all, I can't believe they're able to do it again and recreate it and have them all be older and it's still work. And it is, it's spectacular. That has to be quite a challenge. Yeah. They really, they, they, hats off. Congrats, guys. It's a good luck and good fortune. It didn't make any sense. It did make me, I cried,

“of course, because that's what they do. Yeah. But also, I was like, it was feeling so nostalgic,”

watching it. I was right back to being in college, but I was cally and I would watch it and talk about JD. Well, we didn't. Is that his name in the house? Yeah, that's his name, yeah. John Dorian. Oh, this is name. Oh, Dorian. And like, yeah, it, it, it, it made me happy. And you said, it'd be happy, sad, just for a bittersweet. It's such a such a weird feeling. I don't like it. She's weird, Miss. She is. I wish you would, I wish you would die. Oh, no. No, it makes me feel too

many things. Oh, I like it. I don't want to feel those things. Oh, my god, a huge, same. Okay. Huge, same. So he told us a story about how they were in home in Donald,

the club. Yeah. Also, but when we had the chain smokers on, they were telling us about the residency

at the wedding, I think it is. Well, hold. Okay. So then I edited this episode, you know, and I write down my facts. And then I go to pee. It's minutes later. Yeah. I go to pee. I'm looking at an Instagram during my pee. Nicole, our friend, Nicole, stylist. Travis. Nicole, shot as had a post. She was in Vegas. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The day that day. Uh-huh. With Donald and Casey. Okay. At the chain smokers at the, um, I guess the opening of zero bond.

Okay. Don't know what that is. So that's a club. And it's in, and there is an opening.

“And one hotel is in. I thought the win, but. Yeah. Well, that's what I think. Yeah. It's at the win.”

When there are WYNN. Right. So that was wild. Yeah. That's the dingles. Anyway. So a lot of people were at that opening. I was like a place to be. Sure. They probably sent jets for people. They sent who sent jets for people. Oh, it's kind of thing. No. Say, hey, if you want to come to this nightclub, we'll send it jet. Um, okay. How, what percentage of LASIC eye surgeries go a RY? Well, um, I think it's very rare. Yeah, I'm from a test occurring in less than 1% of cases.

Yeah, they've got it nailed. Off and sighted around 0.3% to 0.7. Oh, however, temporary manageable side effects, like dry eye, halos or glare affects up to 30% to 45% of patients in the months following surgery. That's temp as temp. Yeah. I got new sunglasses. I've been wearing the

exact same pair of sunglasses for 12 years. I found a pair I loved and I never deviated. Yeah.

Leisure society. They're great. Yeah, you love those. Well, they got me with an Instagram ad. Leisure society. Whole new frames. And I got three new pair. And my family's been making fun of me so much. Why? Just because dad got new sunglasses. You know, dad's just the resident

“door. Oh, okay. That's the role you played. How are they cute? I love them. I think they're great.”

Yeah. They think they look great too. They're just laughing at the fact that I got a new after 12 years. I have a new sunglasses and I was wearing them a lot. Yeah. And so that's just stupid, you know. Yeah. What if your dad was wearing new sunglasses? You and Neil were probably like, oh my god, dad and his new sunglasses. I don't know if we would. Yeah. Okay. He said on their podcast for one of them, one of the episodes they had a sex therapist on. And I was like,

I bet I bet it's Vanessa. Okay. We had on. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I looked it up and sure is. It was. Yeah. That makes sense. Yes. Vanessa, great episode, great gal. Mm-hmm. Oh,

one thing I wanted to remind everyone if they forgot which they definitely did. The first

episode was Zach Braff. Was the original Monica loves boys? How it started? So there was a picture of me looking at Zach. Okay. That, you know, Robert Tick pitcher is joining the episode. He took a picture and I'm smiling and such a thing. You look like you're in love with him. Yes. And then that's when we came up with Monica loves boys. Just the name Monica loves boys. Uh-huh. I think Rob wrote it on the picture. Uh-huh. And then really took off. Yeah. Um, who's the one year no beer guy?

co-founders Rewari Fairbaren's an Andy Ramage or Ramage. Those are them. They do one year no beer. Seems like maybe it's Andy Ramage mainly. That's who he was talking about, right? I think so. That's who he heard interviewed. I believe so. Um, that's it. That's all? Yeah. That's it for Zach Braff. Okay. Number two. Thanks, Zach Braff. Number two. Good job on the scrubs. Double ganger. I wonder if people start telling me they like me on scrubs. They really like the reboot.

I know what we established you guys are. We don't really look like it. But you it's there is something weird. Oh, yeah. It's like the mouth eyes. There's something going on for sure. It's the whole face. Yeah, but it's also much different than it was. It is different. It is definitely different than it was. It's a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Not as similar but still

“similar. Yeah. That's what we were making. It's just so weird because I don't have one that we've met yet.”

Well, the gal from season three. No, you're stressed on in training. Yeah. Yeah. She came back in the new season. Yeah, of course. Like popular demand. She is not my doppelganger. Yeah. No. What's her name again? No one ever thinks. She's your friend. No one ever thinks they're doppelgangers.

Mine's not about being on it. That girl is beautiful. You would agree.

Do not rob. I want you to be very honest. I want you showing from season three season. That's probably what she looks like now. But that's her on a red carpet with her hair

“slicked back in short. Like that's, uh, maybe Rob you should pull up. Okay. Now pull up a picture of me.”

I mean, it's not a doppelganger. It's not. It's not. It's not. Okay. She has a much

cuter nose than me. She's there we go. Look at that. I love with the eye shadow on the shade. Yeah. That could be you. We shave your sides and put some dark eye shadow on. And she can give me eyes like you can. But she's probably just on the verge of rolling her eyes, which is going to

send him to the ground. That's a really old picture. Look at that. I don't do we maybe I can't be

object. Do you really think those looks the same? I can see it. But I was like 20 in that picture. She's probably 24 in that picture. That was actually probably like 24 in that picture. That was my

“first hit. Wait, I don't know who's wait. What's one's her? Yeah, I love her. I think she's great.”

She was also in depths. Yes, she was. Yeah. She's your friend on Instagram. Yeah. I have a lot of friends on Instagram. She's my friend. Yeah. I follow her. That's your friend. Yeah. That's my friend. That's your friend. I follow her on Instagram. Oh, there's my other friend. I follow on Instagram. Well, there's one too. All right. Well, you're not buying it. Well, listen, by the way,

“I wish that's I wish that she was my daughter. She doesn't do her own like body and face to”

smurf you get in your way. Like you wouldn't be able to see as soon as you identify someone else is pretty, then they're no longer your doppelganger. That's like we're literally what's happening right now. You're like, oh, she's really pretty. She's not my nose is different than mine. Yes, in Zach has many different aspects of his face than I do. He's got black hair. Do you have different chins? We have a lot of different stuff. But there's some thing that is eerily similar.

Oh, no, it's just nice. If you guys should take that into the plastic surgeon and say make me look like that. Um, oh, I just go to see my friend. It's good to check in. Bye, love you.