Taylor Frankie Paul Check-In, Even More ‘Secret Lives of Mormon Wives’ News, a ‘Summer House’ Drama Explainer, and Reactions to ‘Love Overboard’

- Welcome to the podcast currently known as Bapsler Party.

I'm Julieette Litman, I'm here at Cali Curry. Hey, Cali. - Hello. - How are you? - I'm overwhelmed.

- Overwhelmed information that helps me get to know where. - We have a lot to talk about. We did a whole podcast last week about Jesse, Draper, Jesse from Jay-Z Styles and the Secret Lies and Mormon Wives.

In the gist of our conversation was, this lady might be Kuku, but she's also a good friend. We gotta revise that. We gotta get into it. We gotta talk about that.

What else is on your mind? What are your other topics like?

“- I mean, you have to have seen this like West Sierra.”

- Yeah, I was hoping you could explain it to me. I'm not sure what's going on, West Sierra. - This is some rock if you haven't seen, even if you don't know what it is, like even if you don't know who these people are,

it has to come across your timeline if you watch reality tell them. - Yes, it did, so I'm excited for you to explain that to me. I'm a little confused. Some Taylor-Frankie Paul Bachelor at Fallout News

and I also want to talk about. And then we both dipped our toes into the Mediterranean Sea to watch love, oh my god. On Hulu, were you sent off the plank or did you jump? - Maybe a mix of both because I did like it.

I did like it, but yeah, maybe I was pushed to the plank walk there. And then once I was in the water, I was like, okay, I can get with the show, but I bingeed it. - And you finished? - You finished, you finished?

- No, no, no, no, but I'm close. - I did not finish it to get either, but I watched quite a bit. - teaser, we'll get into it, full breakdown. Good show, the gist is good show.

- It absolutely has the bones to be great. - Yes, well, let's dig in more, but let's let's go back to Utah where all roads seem to lead these days. Quick, check in, chase, I mean,

- All the roads lead, lead to chase. - It's all the roads. - All, yeah, seriously. All roads, all avenues, all lips, apparently. He's just got some magnetic pole

for the women of this, like, - That's absolutely one way to put it. - Laps, more magnetic pole, not pole. (laughing) - There's something about it that can't be resisted.

Wait, before that, I just want to say, Taylor Ranging Paul, log off. That's all I got to say to her. She's like still just responding to people in the comments and staff and like on.

- I'm very confused by-- - I take tag. - Her.

“- And it's almost like I'm like, is this all planned?”

Like, why is she okay? - All I can guess is that A, she's lost a lot of revenue. So like, she needs to stay relevant online, keep her views up. That's number five.

- Has she, how does she lose revenue? - She lost a lot of brand deals, apparently. - Oh, okay, so I forgot about that. - Yeah. - She's still the answer to all of them.

- I think she did. She's, we know she's still getting her salary from the bachelor app, but they don't pay that much. They pay like decently. I'm sure it's less like a lot less

and she gets from like a brand for certain of her posts. Although, I don't know, you're kind of in the talent business. How much do you think Taylor Franky Paul Prue scandal was getting for like some kind of campaign? Like, I don't even know, I don't even know how to do it.

- She's making way more than the bachelor app for sure. - Like $5,000. - How much does it cost?

- That's $5 million, I think.

On Instagram, I think she's $2 million. - Oh, I didn't even look at TikTok.

“I think she's $2 million on both, or like $2.5.”

- I'm pulling it up right now. - I looked recently to see who had the most 'cause I wanted to see if Whitney had come close to Taylor and I think Taylor still had like a million more. - Taylor has $2.5, yeah.

- On Instagram, but why not TikTok? - I don't know, I don't know if that's. - I think it's about the same. - Whitney has $1.8 on Instagram. - So Whitney has gained since the last time I looked,

I'm surprised Taylor hasn't lost followers, but I did see a graphic that said she was still gaining followers. - Yeah, but I can imagine following her to keep up with the scandal, I'll be like, what's going on? - Yeah, six point one on TikTok.

- Oh my gosh, that's a lot. - Yeah, it's a lot. And I would say TikTok and Whitney has $2.5, yeah. So she's still killing everyone on TikTok. And TikTok is generally the app, although it shifted

a little bit with all of the political stuff surrounding it, but the app that brands want. She is making, depending on what they're asking for,

but like, easily she could have like a million dollar deal.

And if you have a few of those, and you live in Utah,

you're really rich. - No, not sure zero, so. - Right, well. - And that's why she's probably still in the comments. - Also in almost every contract,

there would be some sort of like- - Crowley clusters. - Yeah. - Right, so. - So the most damning thing that's come out about Taylor

in the last couple of days is that apparently she didn't remember, she claims during the chairs. That's like, I guess in her police statement, I would say what, that is either one or two things. One, she's saying that, as like an out,

like to say like, I don't remember, so she doesn't have to be on the record with any kind of, you know, like her own recounting of it, or she was so drunk, she doesn't remember both that outcomes. So it's not true.

- She was so drunk, but I- - I have been very drunk in my life. If someone told me something I did

that I didn't remember, when they would tell me,

“I'd be like, oh yeah, I never remember that.”

- Do you know what I mean? - I'd want true block out of my life, that's it. And I did a lot of things as well. - People told you stuff and you didn't remember any of it. - There's just like a time gap where like nobody knows

where I went or how I got home, I was fine. I did lose my phone. - No, but I'm saying like, when that has happened, like when I've been like, I don't remember anything, if someone's like, do you don't remember this?

- It's like fuzzy. - It's like fuzzy. - Yeah, it's like seeing shapes. - I just can't imagine not remembering throwing a stool multiple tools and hitting my daughter.

- Yeah. - I don't, there has to have been some sort of, if it's even true that she doesn't remember 'cause maybe she does, maybe she doesn't. Who knows?

There has to have been some sort of like psychotic break tied into that. - Right. - Or you're not. - Remember, which is completely possible.

I'm just saying, I don't know. It seems hard for me to believe that you were upright and talking and throwing stools and you don't remember any of it. - Agreed, but I don't know.

Also, who knows if it's just out the hall, I don't know. - Yeah, I don't know that either. - But, it's not good. Remains bad. We'll come back to Bachelorette.

- Do you think there's any chance that we will ever get that season? Or it's just gone. - That's being just received. - Well, this is one of the things that we're talking about.

We'll just, we're here, it's keep going. The Bachelor Official Bachelorette podcast, Bachelor Happy Hour, is like the announced that they're having the men on the pod. And it's like the only place

you'll be able to hear from the men of Taylor, Frankie Paul's season.

So they're basically gonna be spoiling their own season.

Well, at the same time, like building up even more hype around it. So it's definitely possible that it'll be released. I don't know why though, because at this point, I don't think they would make it.

- I'd like to see it. - Sure.

“I think we'd all like to see it, I guess.”

Like, no, what was in there, whatever. I think that there's like a world where maybe they put it on Hulu. I don't think they can air it on ABC because they wouldn't get it.

They wouldn't get the advertising revenue, right? And it's almost like, and it would be like, maybe a problem with affiliates. Like, you know, we all learned a little bit too much about this, so the Jimmy Kimmel stuff back in the fall.

But if you put it on Hulu, there's not necessarily the same like loss of revenue that you would be getting in that time slot or jeopardizing relationship with affiliates. So like, maybe, but I don't really get why they would do that.

Except that, like, now there is so much intrigue that people would probably watch. It's like, could you gain back any money revenue based off streaming? - Well, you probably get people to sign up for Hulu.

So there's that. - I don't know. I'm just like, we've seen episode one. I think we can say that and/or we said that. - We have, yeah.

- I just would love to know the direction they went with the editing. - I would, too. Based on, based on what Justin said. - That's what I'm more concerned.

“That's what I'm more interested in than like,”

who do she pick? I just told them how they edited it. - Well, I'm like, relieved. Just so that we are not having like, this is not like reverting to like a bachelor podcast.

Like, you know, I was really excited to recap a show with you and Rachel would have been really fun. But like, yeah. - Well, get into this more.

The, you know, the magic has gone. Like, it's not a water cooler show. It's not as fun as it used to be. And sort of like, you know, living our lives around the boutserat was like,

something I wasn't really looking forward to. And so I'm, I think just from my own purposes, like, happy that this is sort of, that that's like not what we're doing on the podcast. - Yeah.

- But am I still interested in like seeing the show to see how it was gonna play out? And in like, as like kind of part of the broader project of keeping track of this crazy group of people from Utah, yes.

And the amateurs said, also Doug, who spoiler alert, pause if you want to keep going. If you're holding out hope that you'll get to see this podcast this show.

- I think everyone knows by now, but I appreciate it. - Doug Electracy. - Oh, I get to get so much flat for spoilers. Doug, who, I guess, won, Taylor selected,

on Instagram of like, you know, give people grace and I'm just going for a swim. And this is what's wrong with, like, with people. I'm just sort of like, okay, Doug, I don't really need to hear from you.

I only know who you are 'cause I got to see one episode and also comes up with a scandal. But it's just sort of, I am a little bit curious about like what he like 'cause it's so hard to understand someone who you want.

And also someone who still believes in Taylor after everything else out there, especially when you now know without a shadow of a doubt that she, like, you were just sort of like in-between the distance with Dakota.

She's like, why are you interested in this? - I am interested in that because he seems fully supportive of Taylor. - You still look as in love with her, yeah.

I don't know if you just do never cloud though,

which is totally possible. - Yeah. - Can't roll it out. - Yeah, but even that, I think that's a tough, like, there's not a lot of pro-taylor people. I think that's a tough position to take for a call out.

- Yeah. - I think most of the guys are taking a position of like, I'm, I'm, thank you for reaching out to me. - I'm, I'm processing and I put my life on. - I'll be honest.

- Yeah. - He's the only one that's kind of like, it's all like, leave us forgiveness here. - Yeah. - I generally agree, let's leave the forgiveness,

but like, I don't really, I don't know what to do by Taylor. If you think about watching this season of The Bachelor at, that they were to really sit, is like, I am curious. It's like a type of like, morbid curiosity

'cause like, we've been talking about it so much.

But in principle, Taylor should not be on TV. Like, I don't know what to do with her

“or the only thing I do know is it should not be on TV,”

it should not be encouraged to not change, right? Not to not get help. And so, from like a moral standpoint, I'm just sort of like, nah, I don't think the tape should be released.

- Yeah, so, I think that's where I struggle because I do, I am curious. 100% curious, I will own that. But, I also don't think as you be supporting her being on TV at the moment.

It's kind of like, I don't play our Kelly. - Sure. - Yeah, yeah. - I will say that once our Kelly dies, I feel like we can play him again. - How do you feel about that?

- Uh, it's interesting. Haven't thought about it. - I love our Kelly's music. And I think like my dad just played it in a gazorbidant amount for us

like on the way to school and whenever he would take us anywhere. - It's very good music. - So, to hard to like just cancel all of it, was really a hard day for me. And I barely ever, ever, ever, ever, ever play it.

It's more so like whenever you hear it somewhere, I'm like, this is a lot. - I know. - Well, I have to say-- - But what does dad and can't profit from it?

I'm like, yeah, can we open it? Can we open the vault back up or what happens?

“- I think it depends on where the money goes.”

I think we can, I need to know about his state. It's tricky. I mean, it's not tricky with our Kelly, just to be clear. - I think it's obviously, not at all. - We're not listening to his music.

- I stopped playing for the record, but it kills me. - With a lot of artists though, you're just sort of like, oh, should I keep playing this? But that's something about reality stars. They're not artists.

Like, what are we trying to support with Taylor for a hit call other than like, I guess. - Oh, I'm sure. - Yeah, but yeah, I guess. But I just need her to know.

I feel like if she had way more accountability, it'd be easier for me to just be like, she fucked up. Seems like she's just like, wouldn't it? Like, nothing happens.

And I'm just like, yeah, it's okay to be wrong. - I know. - I do think, though, that with the Bachelor in particular, like, and this is true of all reality shows, but because the lead of the Bachelor

tends to become a celebrity, or they used to, there's just like a lot more moralizing around them. And so, you know, we like get to know her, whereas like, if people on love overboard, I don't know anything about them.

I have no idea if any of them are like, good people are not or whatever. And, you know, it's just like what you expect

“out of a reality star is like, why do we expect so much of them?”

Like, the reason we're interested is because they're messy. Like, and it's also not equal how people are like, held to task or whatever. Like, Sierra got voted off of love island.

She got taken off of love island for her Instagram posts. But like, all of my reddit, people are telling me Nick has a lot of, like, you know, a lot of racist posts from when he was younger, too. Who's Nick from Nick in Alexandria?

Nick in Alexandria? Oh, yeah, I've seen some of this stuff. Yeah, yeah, like no one talks about it. So, I don't know, it's complicated. What do you think about people being like,

okay, so the Bachelor records cancel, but like, NFL prime time every Sunday, every Thursday, totally.

There's a lot of, first of all,

who I know have like a domestic violence pass come up, I'm like, yeah, I don't work for that guy. So I will just say for me, I, I don't not talk about it at least, like, you know, I'm happy to talk to you about Tyry Kill and all the things

he's been accused of doing. Like, if you want to talk about it,

“certain teams also, I think look the other way”

more than others or embrace more than others. Not of them are great, but some I think are way, way more, like, yeah, who cares? Yeah. And I do think the double standard for men

and women is super real. I mean, you know, I also saw that. Yeah, but if that, if this were a guy, if Taylor were a guy, yeah, it would have been canceled.

No, yeah, well, they never would have,

they probably wouldn't even like made it. Although they have a lot of shitty guys on, as like, as contestants. Contestants, yeah, but I just don't think a lead would ever have a domestic violence against a black man.

Yeah. Well, yeah, so we've had one black man ever. Two, there's been two. Grant. I know it's, oh, Grant.

I know it's hard to remember. The season was so boring. It was so boring. That's crazy that like everyone remembers not. Can't remember Grant.

And also they try to like, all comes back to Utah. Grant didn't know anything about Mormons. And so he almost ended up with Latia. And then he had said like he didn't know anything. And then was like, we're gonna go on the fly.

So it's just like, that's too much to learn on the fly.

Yeah, it's like not fair. No. So I don't know, but it's a double standard. I do think that like reality TV people have become the bars lower. The bars lower on the one hand.

But then on the other hand, the president was like, really famous for me on a reality TV show and other things too. No one cares about that stuff. So it's just all over the place.

“I think the reaction to Taylor is specific to like how people want”

to see women dating in some ways and like the idea of like a mother and a wife. I think where's their position to Taylor? Where's her like who cares? I would like to believe.

I would like to believe. And how I'm saying this, you could tell that. I'm not even sure if I do believe. But I would like to believe that there's a video of Trump throwing a stool that hit his five-year-old daughter.

There would be outrage. Like I think the video, like seeing someone do that. Even if it came out, like we heard about it, it would have nowhere near the show would still have gone on. Like it would have nowhere near the same effect as seeing that happen.

That's where I think she got fucked with the videos specifically. Yeah, like having video. Yes, I got happening. I agree the video just what changed everything for her. Like you can't look away when you see that.

And also like, what was that one NFL player that? Great rice. I was just going to say with Ray Rice and his- This is Ray Rice. Remember the elevator video where he was-

That's what I'm talking about. That was Ray Rice. That was Ray Rice. And that did- Like he got punished way harder than other people that may have done worse

because there's not video. Yeah, way for sure. For sure. I was just going to say that too. So-

“Yeah, I guess the only thing I'll say about Trump is that audio came out”

before the 2016 election with Billy Bush and nothing happened. The locker room, talk stuff, so. Yeah, but that's different than the ones. The child, yeah. Understood.

And unfortunately, we've heard that locker room talk aren't our lives from different people.

I know, so it was like something we've never heard before.

It wasn't surprising. It was just a lady there from a president. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. The Taylor video is shocking.

I mean, I mean, we feel sick. So. Um, on that note, let's talk about other Mormons or former, lapse Mormons, other Mormon wives. Um, so I'm sorry, Jesse and Miranda.

Yeah. I love Chase. And I think he's really fucking funny. And I wonder- I understand the attraction.

But like, come on. Everyone. So in case you're under a rock, can you listen to this podcast? It came out that Jess, there was a rumor floating around. People had heard about in, in the friend group.

And then it duma brought it to the forefront. That Jesse and Chase were seen making out. And then it was very quickly confirmed because Miranda posted a picture of the flowers that Jesse sent her to apologize, but Jesse only sent them after the rumor became, like, national news.

And, um, the whole thing's crazy. Is that appropriate to send the flowers? Send flowers for fucking your axe. [laughs] Kind of crazy.

I know you're upset with me. Huh? [laughs]

Um, it's so crazy. Flowers? I like Chase too.

I think that he's becoming less hot.

Like, and it's not because I know that he's had sex with everyone in the state of Utah. I think it's just because I don't know. Something about him. Okay. This is not me.

He's becoming more hot to me because his trolling online is unreal.

“Did you see the post he posted after this came out?”

Or, no. He's like, "I've got to know." Oh, I did see that. He did. And then Bronwyn posted on it. Like, commented on it.

And he commented on her comment. And was like, "Oh my God, how crazy did I tell you you're my celebrity crush?" Like, he's got a fuck Bronwyn. I love that for her. I love that for Bronwyn.

That's great. So he just doesn't let up also his mom. Did he see his mom's comment? No. He was like, "Randa, I'm so sorry."

You don't deserve any of this at all. Hopefully, I'm a big enough help that it was all worth it. And then Miranda has confirmed. Like, she said in a comment that she loves Chase's mom. And they have a great relationship.

Clearly. All of Chase and Mason's sister seems pretty fun and funny. Yeah. So Miranda and Chase seem totally fine. She's like, "This is him."

Like, "I know who he is." She said he's a good co-parent, too. Yeah. He's a good dad. He's single.

He can do what he wants. My friends. He's wrong with you guys. It's just like girl code. Okay.

This is what Jesse wrote in the note. And also, I don't know if this every word is capitalized. I just want everyone to know that for the visual. I don't know if this was the florist or if it was Jesse. But it says, "I completely understand you being upset with me but wanted to send you

a little something to let you know. I'm thinking about you and I am so, so sorry, Jesse." Okay. It's a large bouquet. Have you sent flowers recently?

Yeah, I'm sure. I feel like I have to send flowers all the time. Yeah. It's really expensive.

“I think minimum, your flower delivery these days is $65.”

I thought you meant her bouquet. I didn't love her bouquet. $65 bouquet is a tool-up. Yeah. Exactly.

It's so expensive. So I think Jesse's been over $100 on this. If you're a singer, I would guess like 150. Because it wasn't as nice as it should have been for what she was sending them for. Okay.

These are like seasonal flowers that they had on hand. It's not like real. Yeah. You better send me a $500 bouquet when I know how much money you make because it's talked about so much on the fucking show.

I mean a $500 bouquet for fucking my ex-husband without talking to me first.

At least, at least a combo. I think I want a gift card. I'm like, "If you got the cash, I don't want flowers. I could buy that for myself to treat her Joe. It's like, can you give me something that I could actually use?"

Like, I don't know. I would rather have been. I saw Miranda and Layla were on like some like Q&A thing and they were like, "Would you rather be with?" If you had to be with someone, would you choose Chase or Justin?

Jordan, sorry. Chase or Jordan?

“And Miranda was like, "You'd have to be with Chase."”

Like, that's not even. And Layla was like, "Sorry." And Miranda was like, "It's not even close. Chase." It's definitely Chase.

Also, on the Miranda front, she also posted before the flowers. And before it was like confirmed by Jessie, "Get ready for me while I process my friend group being a waiting room for my ex-husband with the hard hand emoji." Yeah.

Great stuff. It's so hard to understand these people are like ex or divorce. They're so young. It's crazy. I know.

Yeah, so I have to take back my stance on Jessie. She's like, "She's kuku. She's got some issues." But seems like she really cares about our friends. This is not a good friend. Just friends.

I think. Yes. I think you have said that before. She's already rich. She's now twice divorced.

There's no reason we're here to be on the show. And also she clearly does whatever the producers want. So it's not good. It's really not a great situation. For some reason, I still wanted to defend Jessie, but I don't know why.

She doesn't deserve it. Like, what does she done to deserve my defense? I don't know. But I am happy that I've been a Miranda and Chase fan from day one. You have a good judge and character.

I can still stay on that train. Yes. I agree. Who's the other person? Oh, Camille.

What's the deal with Camille? Who's like the other, like, Miranda Camille? Oh, Taylor? That's like the trio that was originally swinging? No, no, no, no, no.

Miranda wasn't in it. She was, it was Miranda.

Miranda Taylor and Camille were the first mom talk.

Like, those were the people that blew up. I see. And they, like, all Taylor pretended that she was their mom for a while.

And it was like a part of their stick.

And then finally, they came out and said, she wasn't.

But Camille was one of the people that was upset because Taylor made it seem like she was in on the swinging. And she's still with her husband. Camille. And yeah. And so Miranda was kind of like a bunch of them.

Not just a bunch of the women who were not involved in the swinging at all were upset. But especially Camille, because she was like in the top ring of mom talk. I see. Got it. I wonder why?

I haven't seen her in a while. I wonder which is on the show.

“I think I don't think she's friends with Taylor.”

Oh. I don't know if they ever like got over that. Oh, got it. I've seen her post stuff with Miranda, but I haven't seen her post. I think I think after season two maybe.

I think it was after season two, maybe they did like one or two TikToks together. So it seemed like maybe. But good choice by Camille. I guess. I guess only thing is that was much money, but sure.

Yeah, she's still a. It's just a lot. There's a lot of like influencers that I don't know about that. I'm now like starting to see in the comments because I'm just like, who are these people? There's like apparently a lot of Utah influencers.

Tons. Like tons. Yeah. And they've all. Also fuck chase.

I know. Like who's that? I've been like something like Ivy blue or something like that. Never heard of her. Me neither.

I'm like, who are these people? I guess I'm not. I'm not getting like Utah influencer content. Right now. I'm fine with that.

Me too. I don't want it.

“Right now my algo is can is exclusively give me me back true boys.”

Always. Not getting that. I'm getting back true boys. I'm getting like elder millennial fashion. Like how should I be dressing?

And I'm not getting that. And I'm also getting toddler food recipes. So that's where I'm at. Definitely not getting that. I'm getting so much summer house.

So much summer house. Some slow mo. And then I'm getting so much. I get so many like. I don't know how to describe this.

But like DJ mixes. That mix like old millennial songs kind of and new songs. Yeah, those are good.

I always get recipes like what to make for dinner.

Um. They're all. You know I really want to make is the Bintrivia. The big chicken tacos. Those look good.

Have you seen that video? No. I want to make the dumpling. Blink it dumplings. Oh yeah, the lazy ones.

Or it's like you just. Yeah, those look cool. Let me know. I guess. Okay.

You mentioned summer house. What's going on there? What's what's happening? You know the players a little bit, right? Yes.

It's Sierra who I know from the traders. It's West to I know to be a good Democrat. Yes. Amanda who is getting divorced. Yeah.

Final. And then like is Jesse Solomon somehow involves. Mmm. I guess like barely. So I just have to.

I just have to. Jesse Solomon is like eligible bachelor. Small B. Wow. That's a nice.

That's like one. I think he's pretty cute. I don't know anything else about him though. Oh, I know. In the song.

This is what's the song with you. Oh yeah. Well, he's probably upset because he's supposed to be doing promo for a song. And everyone's just talking about this drama instead. But um, so Jesse this season asks West if he can make out with Sierra.

And you could see that West was kind of like what? Because last season Western Sierra had a romance. I was a romance to him. It was a showman's. No.

So two season ago it seems like they had a showman's and then it turned into a romance. And it was pretty serious. But then West made it seem like it was not serious. But based off of all the information that we have seen, it actually was pretty serious off camera. Okay.

And now West like kind of admits that. But um, he did not when it was happening. So when Jesse asked him, it felt kind of like West was like, you actually know that it was serious. So it's weird. You're asking me to make out with her.

But also West always is trying to do the right thing now.

So he was like, that's not my decision. Like, that's up to her. Like, yeah, it's up to her. I have nothing to do with that. But he never told Sierra that Jesse asked.

Then Lindsey told Sierra that Jesse asked and also said that West didn't care. How did Lindsey find out? Which wasn't true. All the boy because he asked in front of other guys. And the other guys in the room afterwards were like, that was fucking weird.

And so like everyone was talking about it in the house. But Sierra didn't know. So then Lindsey told Sierra, but also said West didn't care. So Sierra got like really upset. Even then that wasn't true West did care.

Sierra got really upset. And then the next episode's West is going like hard in the paint for Sierra. And it's just like, I miss you. I care about you, blah, blah, blah, whatever.

“So right now, in season, it's like a will day, like that's what we're watching.”

I sit with Sierra and Jesse West. No, Sierra was pissed at Jesse Sierra.

Yeah, that's weird for friends.

Um, okay. Oh, Sarah is so clearly in love with West. No. And I would say that West really cares about Sierra. But is a fuck boy at this moment in time.

And knows that. So he's just like, I can't like be serious with you because I know it's not going to work out. Sounds sad. I'm glad I'm not watching. I feel that feel bad for Sierra.

Tell us all this time. Fast forward to present time. Okay. Like there's all like March 2026. Correct.

Because we're watching stuff that was filmed last summer. Right. Okay.

“So currently there's all these rumors since March like fifth, I think.”

What a time. West and Amanda are hooking up. Oh. Okay. West and Amanda because Amanda is now back on the market.

Okay. Yes. And everyone's like, what the fuck? That would be so weird. Amanda and Sierra close.

Very close. Okay. And Sierra and Kyle are pretty close. And Kyle has like kind of gone hard for Sierra.

Like always having her back.

Kind of backwards west, everything. And Sierra, this season has made it a point to be team Amanda. Oh, because of their divorce. So she's kind of serious kind of shown like I love Kyle. But like I will always have Amanda's back.

And I'm like a girl's girl. And has been there for Amanda throughout this entire season. Which it has been very rough this time for Amanda and Kyle. They clearly hate each other. Okay.

Thank God they're getting divorced. So for those rumors to go around everyone's just like, there's just no way Amanda would do this to Sierra. It's been about three weeks of these rumors. And no one has like fully been like this is not true.

Okay. West was on and watched what happens live and Andy asked him about it. And he was just like, she's newly single.

Like I had to show her the streets, right?

Like I'm out of the time.

“So like that's why we've been hanging out.”

And Andy's kind of looking at him like to be clear. So you guys are not hooking up. And West is like, if it's not clear Amanda's very important to me. And and the guests next to him was like, she's your homie. And he was like, yeah, yeah, she's my homie.

Question. Very weird question not to just be like, we're not hooking up. Yeah. Are these three on the in the city? Spin off.

Sierra West and Kyle. Just just a Kyle is. And Amanda is West is not. Okay. Okay.

Yeah, so that some people were like maybe it's PR, but like the show is doing very well. And people have thought that this is one of the best seasons in a long time. And like every single episode has been great. So it's kind of, it wouldn't be even good PR. So it doesn't really make sense.

So what's this video that came out? There is no video. So all of this is stemming from some doomaw saying that they were seen making out. But West has a friend that looks like him. And people are like, no, she was making out with his friend.

Then Amanda's neighbor said that she has a picture of West and Amanda making out. And she took it through her apartment window. That's so creepy. Which I was just like, what? She also said she lived across the hall from her.

So I was like, let's make a sense. Yeah, that's really weird. But I just think for how loud these rumors are. Why wouldn't it be like, yeah, like, why wouldn't see her be like, this isn't true. Why wouldn't Amanda be like, this isn't true or West.

Also, Amanda and Sierra were supposed to do a joint Amazon prime thing together. I did say they canceled it and did it separately. But then Lindsey went to dinner with Sierra last night and then posted a picture of her. Our posted picture of them together. And then posted a picture of her kind of making like, oh, what the fuck face after the dinner.

And then so everyone just clinging into it. Yes. And then Carl posted a picture of a like what the fuck face and then KJ posted a picture of like a what the fuck face. These are all castmates on the show. So like now I'm like, okay, this is getting like a little too important.

Yeah. Yeah. April Fool's is on Tuesday. It's not what this is. I would be serious as a summer house fan.

“I would just be like, was it a month long joke fuck you all?”

That's why I don't know. I mean, also, I'm just hoping it is because otherwise I think everyone's very weird. This is bizarre. This is really. I just I just with my friends and we probably talked about this a little bit with the end of all.

I have no worries with my friends. Like if my husband is traveling to a city where I have a very very good friend. I'm going to go out to dinner with them. Yeah. I can't imagine having friends that are just going to like also the way Sierra is so clearly like.

I wouldn't care if one of my friends today.

“I married I've kids hooked up with my ex from high school and was like, I think I'm in the mirror.”

Cool. I haven't talked to him in 20 years. You know what even like whatever. But like if there was ever someone who I was like very serious with that one. I'd be like, that's pretty weird.

Yeah. Really weird. And I wouldn't want anyone that my friends were very serious with like I probably know too much. It's just a weird concept is bizarre. It's gross.

But somehow on reality it seems to happen. I think because their worlds get small. I think it's like the world collapses where it's just sort of like you're in this bubble. And it feels like people outside of it like can understand. Maybe we should ask Rachel what she thinks.

Yeah. I would say though with this. It's. And I don't know these people. But it's so hard for me to believe that Amanda would do this this year because who the fuck would do this to their friend?

Yeah. I don't understand it.

It's a really massive thing to do.

Like we're cow. I'll do Ariana. We're cow like doesn't didn't. I don't know. I don't keep it up to anymore.

But like didn't have them all. I wouldn't say she was the smartest person in the world. That's surprising because of like who she is. Amanda's like mostly normal.

“The other thing is if you're Amanda and you're going divorced from Kyle don't you want to date outside of this world?”

Like don't you want to be like okay. My summer house. Marriage didn't work. So going forward. I think I'll only be dating people who are not on this television show.

Like there's got to be a wife. Or even a reason why they broke up. A different problem. They broke up because he was a DJ. I wanted to be out on the streets.

He knows out in the streets. Last. Jeff.

So I'm like I can't believe it's true.

I have to believe that it's some joke. But like I hope the joke is like leads to like some sort of brandy or something. Like I hope there's a reason for it. What's best to have a great personality because he's not hot. A lot of people say that.

And after a season one he was kind of like everyone keeps telling me that like they get why people like me because my person now. It's kind of like so you guys are just telling you we're over again. How ugly are you? It's something that's ugly. It's like he's like kind of like regular looking.

Like he's like a guy that you would see in the bar. Also I know he's from Ohio right? He grew up with so if you're kind of ham and ham. Okay. So Kansas City.

He looks Midwestern to me. So it checks out. Yeah. Yeah. I could see you in Chicago.

I am a West lover. Like I love his personality. So like I get the attraction to him. Very much like Chase. Like I wouldn't say that I would see Chase in the street and be like oh yeah.

Yeah. His personality makes him attractive to me. Do you know what I mean? Sure. So you're proof in the point that Chase is hot because of this.

Yeah. Well, when we get to. I was about to keep wanting to go blowback when we get to. Let's go. Let's go.

Let's go. I was going to say to it. There are some more attractive people on that show. I don't know if I'm attracted to like just looks anymore. I could definitely taste more.

I personally am not. Especially. Yeah. Especially with the state of men.

“I'm just like, well, what else do you have to offer other than your pretty face?”

Please let me know. Yeah. Definitely more than that. Let's talk about love overboard. Currently streaming on Hulu.

It is a dating show hosted by Gabby Windy of the Bachelor, the Bapsoret and the Traders. The premise of the show is this. A group. It's hard to explain. So good luck.

I know. I'm just like putting my thoughts together here. No group of 10 or 12 singles. Men and half men have women. They somehow couple up.

I only get somehow half of them couple up. And the groups that are in the couple function as the guests. They are called the quote unquote top siteers. They are living on this on this yacht in the state rooms like living the below deck guest life. The group that does not end up in couples becomes the crew.

They have to live in the crew quarters down below and they're called the down sideers. I can't really explain to you how they coupled up at the beginning. It was convoluted. Gabby was talking a lot. I was sort of like what's happening.

So we have our two groups. So it's the upstairs. The top sideers. People who are in couples down stairs. It's the down sideers.

People who are supposed to be the crew and cleaning. But they just fake clean as they frequently were called out. There's that there has to be a separate crew somewhere. Of course. Of course.

It's your own way of watching it. And like there's somewhere that there's other people. It looks like a cruise ship. It's much bigger than any yacht that I have seen on below deck. It's like a small cruise ship gigantic yacht.

The premise of the show is that people down below the down sideers are supposed to be working their game so hard that they break up a couple and get to couple up with someone

And if you are rejected for my couple, you have to walk the plank and you fall into the Mediterranean sea. And then where you are met by two people and like scuba gear to make sure that you don't drown. And I don't know. Olivia, do you understand the premise of the show? Based on my recommendation.

What I just said. Okay. Olivia says not at all. So if you're listening. This is my other way of describing it.

It's kind of like love island on a boat. But half of the people are not in couples. And you're missing a big part of it, I feel. What is it? Half of people are in couples.

Half of people are not in couples. The people not in couples are downsideers who. It stinks. It's tight. It's hot.

Like everyone is being downsideers. I will tell you.

People have never seen below deck because their rooms are much bigger than on below deck.

“Yeah, the only way to get to the top side is by winning a competition.”

Or by like flirting with someone that's in a couple on the top side. Taking them out on the date. And then that person choosing you over the couple that they're in. And then if they choose you over the couple that they're in. The person that they were in a couple with.

You have to walk a plank and gets like the ground drops from underneath them. And they're put into the ocean. Sure. Okay. I feel like I said all of that. What part do I say?

I don't know. The way you described them coming up top was confusing for me. Well, it's confusing on the show. So it is. It took me like three or four episodes to be like, oh, okay.

Well, I will say the love island thing. When I eventually when new people came in, like by the end of episode two, a new woman comes in and then an episode three a new man comes in. I'm like, oh, it's sort of like love island on a boat. Basically, and they're just like, added a bunch of extra rules.

And Gabby is the hope that they have themed games on love island. What are you talking about? Yeah, but like they're competing in the games for something, like four a couple. Sure. And instead of just like nothing, which for something or nothing.

Basically, it had a film of island.

And then Gabby is both host and narrator. And we just need to pause on that note for a second. Gabby is entertaining on reality television. I enjoyed her on the trailer season two. She became a breakout star. We all like her. We're happy for her and her marriage to the comedian Robby Hoffman.

Great stuff. Gabby was not built to be Maya Jama and Ian Sterling combined with the voice that she has. And the presence that she has. She is like maybe someone who pops up to like pretend to be the captain. But she is definitely not like the anchor of your show.

And it's an interesting choice. So I agree with you. I love Gabby. Of course, we love Gabby. But this is not nice.

But listening to her voice for an hour is hard. I texted this to you and to Bill. It reminded me of like budget Jennifer Coolidge in a bad way. It wasn't like, oh, this is so funny. It's reminding me of like legally blind.

I was like, oh my god, this is weird.

“I will say, I think it's a really hard job.”

Like Ian Sterling.

There's a reason why we know his name because he does it better than anyone.

Like I couldn't tell you about anyone else that does that. I would say love island USA took off when they got Ian to start doing. Ian Sterling. Yeah. Like without him, it's a much worse show.

Completely agree. So I don't think it's like an easy thing. No. It would almost be better to just have like her host and have someone random doing the. The voice over.

Yeah. Like Ian Sterling. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah.

I just think even a normal voice would be better. Then Gabby's voice because it's just too much. And like some of her jokes, which I generally like her humor. They're too scripted, but like they have to be scripted in this sense. Well, yeah.

The thing about Ian Sterling is he writes his own jokes. Like he has a writing team, but he famously did a TikTok about how he did. The UK at US and UK version at the same time, or he does them at the same time. It was working 24/7. Basically.

Yeah.

“And he does have like a writing team that works them.”

But he like, it's like a late night show. Like Jimmy came back with a little writing show. Are we in a writing team? I wonder how much he gets paid. Ian Sterling.

Got to be good. Good money. Got to be good money. Also probably not enough. I do think he's like a big part of the success of the franchise.

So. One money per second. Yeah. Yeah. Australia.

I know. We like when he's not on. It's like, this is not funny. Anyway, he's the voice of love island. Ian.

How much? He has 100,000 euros in episode. Okay. Well, there's a lot of episodes. So I'll take you back.

So he's getting so excited. Let me see. 100,000. No. She's at 100,000 per season.

That's too low. Oh, that's nowhere. That's fun. Yeah. His team needs a new agent.

That has to be wrong.

Yeah. That can't be right. Like at this point. That's crazy. That's crazy.

I'm going to get 100,000 per episode.

That's that's how good he is. I did not doubt it at all when she said it. I would put him in 750 minimum. Like a little bit of a lot of work. It's growing.

It's for it's 50 episodes. And it's writing every day. No break for him. She is. He's.

He's like creates the storyline with his jokes. Tell him like everything. Totally. He's the shop. He completely.

Without him. Like, where are we?

We are on love overboard.

It's not as good. No. Yeah. Unfortunately, I do not like Gabby on the show. But I love Gabby.

We too. We support her. It's just like misguided choice. The show, though, is good. I do like when you think about it, though.

Like you were like love island. But it is kind of similar to love islands. Like everything is like is kind of like love island.

“But the only thing I'll say about this show, though, is that it only works if”

you have a diabolical person. Yes.

Because it could have been a very boring show.

Had all the top top sideers on top sideers on top sideers remain in their couple. And then, you know, one guy ended up going on a date and getting a blow job and coming back and switching around and change the whole trajectory of the show for me. Which guy was that? I don't think I got to it.

What? What's up, so is it? It's Lauren. Oh. What's his name?

David. Dave. The one there. Did you get together from the beginning? Yeah.

Wait. In the beginning, she even the blow job. Did I miss this? No, no, no, no. She, he's been with Lauren.

The entire show. Yeah. This girl comes in. That's his type. He's the guy that's like, I like plastic.

I like plastic. I like plastic. And then gets with Lauren, who has zero plastic. Yeah. to me. Sure. Yeah, they're like everyone's favorite, everyone thinks they're the strongest. And then a

girl comes on that's very plastic, fake butt, fake boobs. And he's like, that's who I'm normally

“attracted to. But I want more and feel confident because I'm like, I think what we have is so strong,”

but he also tells the guys that they have hooked up multiple times and he is not finished once. Whereas I think she said that she came three times. Yeah, she's like very, very happy. She's very satisfied. Yeah, sex. Yes, his name is David. And he is like, I just don't know if like our physically like we're a match, like sexual chemistry is off for me. It's not for her, but I really like her. And I'm trying to like do things differently and don't know whatever. So when this girl comes on,

she's like you're the only one that's my type, like you're my type to a T. And he's like being nicer, but like not even overly flirty. And Lauren gets pissed and it was like, I'm trying to help you. You're embarrassing yourself. He doesn't want you. We're very much together and like he only wants me and goes hard at the girl. So in the girl's like, okay, when I get a date, I'm picking him. And to make Lauren feel more secure, David's like, do you want to be my girlfriend? And she's so

excited. They become boyfriend and girlfriend. The next date, plastic girl gets a date card, asked David to go and he's like, I'm just going to be nice like this socks. I'm going to have to go on this date and just like pretend to be nice to her. And Lauren again, sleep during their day and she's like, that must suck. She's only got to be here for like a day. Like she's going to get dropped off the plank. She could have just taken it, brought an overnight bag, not a whole suitcase.

She chose this, but like whatever. She's dumb. And some of the girls are like, I would love to be as confident as you like all the dates have been like pretty risk-y, dinner, and whatever. David's literally smacking her ass with a cactus. Two minutes into the date makes out with her. They take a shower. It's a blow job, and he likes her. They don't say where. He just liked somewhere. And I wonder where. He comes back and they're both on the plank and David's like, Lauren, I think you won't

“forgive me for what happened on the date. So you have to go. And she's like, I wouldn't, and she's like,”

David, I can, I'm for, I can be forgiving. Like, you don't know me. Don't, don't break up with me just because you don't think I can forgive you. And he's like, I'm not sure you can forgive this. He keeps him on the plank for 45 minutes because he can't make a decision. You hear Gabby and the background being like, we need a decision now. Now David, now, now. And then it's like silent. And then 10 minutes past and you hear another voice not Gabby. It's like another producer gets involved.

40 minutes. Oh, my God. He eventually says, Lauren, I'm now thinking about your dad and your brothers and like they won't be able to move past it either. So you're going over. So he just did this because he's scared of her family and her. She drops into the water. The rest of the cast is shocked. Like they thought there was no church, no chance in the fucking world. He was going to pick the new girl. And the girls go berserk, Julia, berserk. This is buried. I'm figuring it out right now.

This is buried deep in episode six. Yeah, like they're losing it, losing it. One of the guys

like I could never look at you the same. Wow. I'm like, what? They've known each other for a week.

It's very to your point. Very love. I like coded where they're like, this is a catastrophe. And David's like, I mean, I know her for a week. And they're like, you asked her to be your girlfriend last night. The girls are going crazy on him. It's my dad. So incredible. That happening to me. I was like, oh, I'm in. I'm in this show. Lock me down for a season two. But like, if all the top side is just like, if he would have just gone that day and came back and went with more and like,

it would have been semi boring. I got to say, this is really the power of a blow drop, I guess. Like, how else were you supposed to explain it? I mean, him being like, I don't know if you could

“forgive me for what happened. If I was the girl, I think the girl's name's Val. I'd be like,”

that's the only reason why you're picking. I know. I'd be like, okay, also just like,

deal with that later goes your heart, maybe, but I guess about his day. And then once they get back into the vote, it's funny because Val came on with another new girl. And it's her and two of the older guys that have been on the boat sitting there. And the one guy's like, I don't know what you did on that date, but wow, no one saw that coming. And she had told the girl that she came on the show with what happened. And the girl who she came on was just like, it's okay, you can give her a fist bump.

She did great. Oh my god. And the guy was like, all right. Oh my god. Well, I'll definitely keep watching. I got to see this, like, blow job that changed the history of of the world is crazy. The fallout from

“the blow job is, is wild. I'm excited. You need to see them on the plank where he like won't make”

a decision and you can hear the fact that he's yelling. Also just like made these two women like stand on a plane and an hour. Like, it's crazy. Yes. That's why some of the other women were like, not only did you go on this date and get a blow job and she'd on the girlfriend that you asked to be your girlfriend last night. No, no, maybe do that. Sit on the fucking plank for 40, like, just

eliminate her in two minutes. I always stand there for 45 minutes. I need everyone to know this

man, David is a childhood pediatric counselor. Like trauma counselor. I mean, let me tell you his eyes. I know that. Oh, yeah. And they even in the beginning when he's talking about how much I hate plastic for this. Yeah, absolutely fucked up. And the plastic stuff isn't it times in million for me. I understand why everyone was shocked because he does come across as such a nice guy. Yes, he does. However, again, as I was watching, even even before I got to this blow job that

changed the world, he was talking about how he works with children and like he helps him overcome trauma. Like he's like a counseling like some kind of therapist. I don't know that he is like

“what his degree is in or whatever. But like, is this who you want your child overcoming their therapy?”

Like they're they're trauma with. Now that you've seen this, not good for his career. I have to assume he doesn't care about his career. So just throwing that out there. There's a lot of debt, like the man on the show are like, are kind of great because there are like a lot of assholes. Like it's sort of like, I was like, well, no, they're not good people. But it serves like they're honest. They're like, like, it's one guy. I think his name was like, uh Jacob, is that his name? Andrew, the one who thinks

he's Andrew, it's Andrew. The one who thought that Sophia was really into him when he, like, when she was absolutely not, like he's, you haven't even, you haven't even seen a scene, a scene, Julia, that he's delusioned. He has no idea that women don't like him. Well, Sophia comes back and then she tells him no one likes you. After she said through the mistake, she's like, you're the most eager to school man I've ever seen or ever met in my life.

There's a scene where he won't come upstairs. Like, you know how they have those, like,

upstairs and it shows him in his bottom bunk and he's like yelling at a producer that he has to call

“his mom. And the producer is like, that's like not how this works and he's like, I need to call”

my mom right now. Let me call my mom. Let me call my mom. That's incredible. I'm all produced there.

They let him call his mom. Mom picks up the phone. Hello, and he goes, Mom, I'm still in the show, but there's an emergency. And I'm thinking, like, what is going on? Like, what happened? Like, there must have been something that we didn't see. The mom's like, what's wrong? What's wrong? What's wrong? Because I let someone give me a haircut and they shaved off my sideburns. I imagine it's crews or cash were on a reality show and they called you like that. The mom goes,

Andrew, what would you like for me to do about that right now? She must be used to these kinds of calls. He's like, I need you to walk me through what to do. I have dead serious. He's dead. serious on this. You have, I cannot wait for you to watch this scene. I was, this show is so insane. The people that they got to go on this show. Well, it's going to be good casting. I know, I, I like it. I like it on a show. Like, I'm like, let's be real about who, like, man on a reality VR. It was great.

The two women that came on, Val, and I don't remember the blonde girl scene, but they came on, Val someone that gave the blow job in two seconds to get the guy it worked. I don't, I don't want to get started. Just want to be clear. I'm like, okay, if you thought, if you felt moved to do that, fine. Me either. And this scene solidified it for me, which came back and she told the her friend that she came on the, or not for the person she came on the show with.

That it happened. The girl was like dying laughing. It was like, oh my god, I cannot believe that

you did that. That's amazing. And Val was like, yeah, I know, I need therapy. And the girl who

came on the show was like, girl, we're on a fucking dating show. We all need therapy. Great. This is great.

“The only thing about it is, like, on TV is like, oh, okay. But, you know,”

if that's, if that's what you want to do on our date, think, feel free. If you're doing it on TV, that would be pretty sure you're sure of yourself. You got to be sure you're going to win that guy over. Yeah. I don't think that she would have done it if Laura and Alden go so hard at her. It's kind of like a cheat code, right? You're seeing yourself. He doesn't want you. I'm trying to save you from embarrassment. And the girl was like, okay, he's a guy. Pretty sure I can get him.

It's, yeah. And she was right. Yeah, exactly. It's sort of like, I said, it's like a cheat code. It's like,

okay, I'm going to win this one. Here's what I'm going to do in two seconds. And success.

Okay. Well, I can't wait to watch now. I'm looking forward to it. It's, it's, there's a round of time. You're going to show three episodes in. What I was going to say about, looks the one guy, bow. Yes, bow. Oh, it's personality. It's just so boring. I mean, yeah, I mean, he's just like, I don't even know anything about him. Gee, I just let, I mean, now, what's her? Yeah, Gee, I just, yeah,

oh, yeah, it goes for him instead of bow. She looks like Bella Hadid. That is like really nice. But yeah, I see what you're saying. I think bow is beautiful. Like he has beautiful eyes. I like his blond hair with cornrows. Like everything's working for him. But that just like does nothing for me. Yeah, because he's so boring. Yeah, just like he should be a model. I think he's probably a fan. Yeah, he's handsome. Yeah, he's handsome.

“But objectively handsome. Yeah. That's what I mean. I'm just kind of like, okay. And yeah,”

he kind of looks like a European model. Look to me. Like I could see him in like a motorcycle helmet in Rome. Yeah, sure. Print runway. He could do it all. Yeah, exactly. We just cannot do it. We see a future for you. Okay, well, we'll find this on Thursday. We're also going to talk to survivor, obviously. And I'm sure. Can that way? Me too. You want to do it? I'm not. No, I have been encouraged to take Yodeling lessons. That's great. Yeah, you're really talented. Just don't know

where we could use that. So thank you to our producer today, Olivia Creary. We'll be back on Thursday. Have a great week, everybody. Bye! But what do I want to do? You don't want to do it with a lot of students. You don't want to do it with a lot of people. So I'm really proud of you. You can say that you can do it with a lot of people. Yeah, you can do it with a lot of people.

Do you do it with a lot of people? And if you then do it, you'll be able to do it with a lot of people.

That's it? Safe. How do you do that?

“I'm going to do it with a lot of people.”

Now it costs a lot of people.