Part One: H.L. Hunt: The First Elon Musk

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And this week, we've got a guy who kind of made inflicting his opinions on other people on everyone else, his life mission, and used the vast fortune he built to do it. We're covering a fella here, he's the former richest man in the world. This guy was an oil, in his time he was a millionaire, but if you fix things to modern money, he was a billionaire from a fairly early point in terms of modern money.

He was kind of the first of the right wing, like these ultra-rich right wing guys, to make

pushing his own opinion in politics by taking control of building media organs, deliberately to force his own opinion on public. He was the first of these super rich guys to really do that. Or he was part of the first wave of rich guys that did that, and he was the biggest. Of this first wave of generally like post-new deal, super rich, you know, multi-millionaire,

billionaire, oil guys, who are funding right wing politics. He was the guy who was kind of best at it. But he was also the guy who was only interested in forcing his own politics on people. Like he didn't want to talk to any other people on the right. He didn't want to make friends.

He just wanted to create media organizations that would push his politics on other people. It's very weird dude, and his name was H.L. Hunt. Also some people think he killed JFK. This isn't "I Heart Podcast." Karen T.D. Human.

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Listen to Kingdom of fraud on the "I Heart Radio" app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So, have you heard of this guy?

No, I've never heard of him, but he sounds annoying and like the patron state of podcast

bro. So like, I'm right here about it. He's got a lot of that energy. He was kind of like the Proto Elon Musk, like what Musk has done with turning X in grock into this like, basically building these companies just to push his own opinions

on everyone else. That's what Hunt was trying to do with like the radio in the 50s and 60s and television

So, he's an interesting character and like a freak in his own personal life, which

is always fun when one of these guys is just the strangest, weirdest little guy.

So, what is HL stand for? Great question, Sophie.

“That's what we're starting because he has like one of the most racist old white”

guy names you could possibly have. Harold Sin, Lafayette, Hunt Jr., that's that this fuckers bowl name, Harold Sin. And Lafayette in there, Lafayette Jr., you know you're in for a good time when you've got all those names together. And several looser.

Yeah. All those. That's what you mentioned that. That guy like, wow, would cover my drink. Yeah.

Oh yeah, definitely. Harold Sin, Lafayette, Hunt Jr. was born in Carson Township, Fayette County, Illinois on February 17th, 1889. Most of the articles and bios you'll find on him kind of breeze right through his childhood, a bio on the oil industry friendly website Oklahoma minerals, which depicts Hunt as a hero.

So you know, kind of ideologically, where this bios coming from simply says that he was quote, the youngest of eight children in a farming family.

His early years were marked by a lack of formal education as he was homeschooled and never

attended public or private schools. So we're off to a good start already, right? Like this is a, this is a dude who, and that's not a weird upbringing for the time, really. But it is kind of weird for him because his other, like, brothers and sisters aren't all private school.

So Hunt was a pretty prolific writer of letters to the editor and of ads in the yellow pages. So we do get other bits of his history if you're willing to dig deeper that go a little further than that. In the 1960s, he wrote this in an ad published by the Tennessee, and so this is him trying to connect with other members of his family. My grandfather was Wattie Thor Punt, freeing his slaves long before the war began, Wattie Thor

Punt migrated to Searchy County, Arkansas, stopping in route to make a crop near lookout mountain. He formed a company of Confederates in 1860, which included his son. He was killed in 1864 by Cantrell's gorillas.

“So that's him talking about like his grandfather, right?”

Like that's the family patron, and I'll tell you right now, he's the only one who says this guy freed his slaves long before the war began. I was going to ask, I was like, he made it sound like, yeah, my grandmother freed his slaves before it was cool before everyone had to do it. But that he started a volunteer Confederate militia for love of the game.

You know, he's like, oh, he's made it. Now, Wattie may not own slaves, but that wasn't uncommon. And most people who fought in the Confederate army didn't have enough money to own slaves, right? But that's not entirely the point.

Some people were racist without that, right? And that seems to have been his grandfather's deal. Now what's very funny to be about this ad, which is him like trying to connect with other relatives, but talking about his Confederate grandpa, is that right after being like, hey, does anyone know, you know, my grandpa, anyone else related to whom I want to connect?

He goes on to like say, I want to exchange, you know, family history with relatives, quote, and present them with three of the HLH, aloe vera cosmetics. That's his private cosmetic company and a list of stores in the area carrying HLH cosmetics. And the remainder of the ad is a plug for his cosmetics business and his right wing

radio show, which I find, I just found very funny that he's like, I want to connect with my family, but I also want to use this space in the newspaper to get people to buy my cosmetics. Uh, I love an album. You're right.

Yeah, right, it's good, but it's always a gift.

You said he's the youngest of eight of eight kids, how much more family connections does he need?

“I think that's the family, you got to have, bro, right?”

Like, why do you care, we've got, it seems like you got your hands full there. Yeah, you don't need any causes when you have a basketball team. Like, it's fine. So, that's a good point. That was very funny.

I feel, I feel it was your target audience. Damn, you're too, actually. The confederant connection was enough to convince me that like, I needed to look more into this guy's family history, because I was like, well, there probably means there's something else interesting there.

And I can only find one biography that was written about him, uh, which was the book Kingdom. And it's actually, it was published after he died, um, and it's actually a biography of his whole family written by this hardcore libertarian author named Jerome Toosil. And I think Toosil was a fan of Hunt. He certainly wrote a history that I would argue portray to Hunt pretty close to how Hunt

saw himself a lot of the time. Although he does, he does include more of the warts than I think Hunt would have, but he clearly like has this degree of like all in this man for being such a great businessman. It's hard for me to tell how like, real this biography is, because Toosil, again, he's

And his biography of Hunt includes all of these verbatim conversations about talk, conversation

that would have happened like the 1800s. And this book was written in the, like, 100 years later. And I'm like, who did you talk to to get the transcripts of these conversations? You must have just made that up, or you listen to something that like, these people's grandchildren said is how the conversation went.

“So you have to take a lot of this book with a grain of salt, right?”

It's giving like real person fanfiction, like he is like, yeah, my self is a caricature, like what would my, what would my goat say? Like what would my he'll say? And he's just like, all right, I've got it nailed it. I would say think of it that way.

This is real person fanfiction that said it's the only book we have about this guy's childhood. And it's clearly based on conversations he had with members of the students family. So you can't discard it because it's like our only source, right? That said, I wanted, we're going to talk a little more about to sell in this book too

because it's, he's kind of a very funny guy. You should know in terms of evaluating how much can we trust this biography that he was an early hardcore libertarian activist, although not entirely the bad kind.

He got like politically activated for the first time in his life because he was disgusted

by the draft and the Vietnam War and he staged a walkout protesting the war at the young Americans for freedom convention in 1969, which is like good. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

In 1971, he published his first book. It usually begins with Iron Rand, a libertarian Odyssey, which is a book about how you went from an angry, lapsed Catholic looking for a new religion to an objectivist libertarian. Although he also kind of makes fun of Iron Rand in the book too because she believed a lot of crazy shit about sex that he does not unbored with, right?

So he's like, I got a lie about her, but like makes fun of her too. Yeah. He wrote of his feelings in the time. For the moment I considered myself unique, alone in courageous individual who had found the Holy Grail after years of floundering.

“That's how he reacts to reading Iron Rand for the first time.”

A lot of guys like that, unfortunately.

He was like, that's like the first time you taught to a guy who read Dune for the first time.

He's like, I just had no idea. Oh, my politics are now Dune. Dune. That same year, 1971, to so wrote an op-ed for the New York Times and begged for conservatives who still care about such things as peace and justice and racial harmony to vote for candidates

who really being peace when they say peace, who understand and intend to promote the politics of decentralization of pollution control of economic and judicial reform and so on all the way down the line. So he's not like entirely bad. This is back when the libertarian movement was a little more complicated than it's

going to become in the Trump years. So that's positive in 1974 to sell Rand for governor of New York on the free libertarian party ticket. He only got like 30,000 votes and he needed 50,000 to get the party a permanent place on the ballot.

The Times notes of his election campaign on the campaign trail he's distributed to still bills. Fake dollar bills that he assured voters would be soon worth more than the real thing, given the country's ruinous economic policies. He arranged for a woman in a beige body stalking to ride through central park like Lady

Gadiva on Oars named Taxpayer. So he would have loved to sell he would have loved to sell he would have loved to sell you would have loved Bitcoin to sell Bitcoin he's like, and he's given you naked ladies too. He's like, listen, I'm giving you the tax payers everything they could want.

A horse named Taxpayer, this man would have had so many NFTs. That's a big country album though, can you imagine like they're a horse named Morgan Wallet. That's fair. And I do, sorry, this is in our episodes about H.L. Hunt, but when I started reading

about the guy I wrote his biography, I was like, this man's fascinating. So anyway, take quotes that I'm going to read you from the book Kingdom with a grain of salt. So two sales books has very, doesn't mention Wattie Hunt, Hunt's grandfather, freeing his slaves.

So I suspect his grandson made all that up, but he does talk about the fact that Wattie created a volunteer cavalry militia to support the Confederate cause, which should tell

“you all you need to know about the man's politics.”

However, there is an interesting discrepancy between what H.L. Hunt came to believe and what to sell rights in his biography, to still claims that Captain Hunt was, quote, shot to death near his farm by Northern Raiders. But in his letter, Hunt says he was killed by Cantrell's gorilla fighters and Cantrell's Raiders were a pro Confederate partisan group of bushwackers that actually, this is where

Frank and Jesse James get their start in Cantrell's Raiders. Now, they definitely killed a lot of Confederate farmers, too, because kind of by the end of the war, they were just raiding, you know. They're like, we just like doing this now, like this is how you pass it, like we got to

What I got into this, it was for the racism, but now it's just the love of raiding.

You know, I just can't get over how much I like to raid. They're tapping into their Viking roots. They're like, this is what I was meant to do, and that's really, it's like how the Oakland Raiders are ostensibly out like their fans are ostensibly there to support a football team, but it's really about the raiding for the Oakland Raiders fans, too.

“You know, that's what makes that a great team.”

Las Vegas Raiders. No, no, no, Sophie. I don't know. I don't accept that at all. That's like being with the net.

It's like, oh, it's the Brooklyn net. I'm like, they're from New Jersey. It's okay. We don't have to make things up. It's just crazy.

It says it doesn't mean it's not right. Yeah. No, I refuse to accept that. So when Captain Hunt gets murdered by whether it's by Northern partisans or Cantorals Raiders, his son H. L. Hunt, which is the same name as R. H. L. Hunt, right?

And it's his dad takes control of the family. Now H. L goes by the nickname hash for reasons lost to history, but are more likely rooted in potatoes than marijuana. Yeah, he's a fascinating figure because his life and his son's life kind of perfectly embody the evolution of American conservatism from the Civil War up to like the modern

era through like the political realignment of the mid 20th century. Could you have like there are public and party, which is this like radical progressive force

“in the country that then becomes like the conservative party over a period of time, right?”

And his family really embodies that very well, in 1864, before the war was over, hash took like after his dad gets killed, he moves up north and he takes an oath of allegiance to the union, per the book Kingdom, up north was where the money was, hash told his family. The south, as they had known it all their lives, was finished. It would not rise again for 50 years at least.

So you see this is a family, the number one never gives up on like the racist things that

led them to support the Confederacy, but hash is a very pragmatic guy. He's like the Confederacy's not winning this war and I want to be where the money is. Like I'm not going down with the ship, fuck that, my dad did. That seems stupid. Exactly.

It's like the slaves are gone, let's go up the industry and abuse the Irish. Right, abuse whoever we can because I'm still racist. Don't get me wrong. We can die first. So the family winds up in Illinois, which is where our HL hunt is going to be born in 1889.

They start farming and things are going pretty well for the Hunts for a while. Hash is a good businessman in a skilled farmer. In short order, he meets a girl, the daughter of an army union chaplain and she's named a La Hinderson. This is going to be a Shellhunt, our Hunts mom.

To sales book claims that she, quote, was descended from an old Huguenot line and she deported herself with a certain aristocratic heir, not unworthy of her birth line. Now that's interesting. Weird use of the word deported by too sill there.

“I've never heard, I think he meant to write "comported" because I don't think deported”

actually works that way, but it made its way into the final copy of the book, so they're like we're just not Huguenot enough to understand how sophisticated that is. You've got to be way more Huguenot to get that word, right? So I don't know if she had Huguenot blood in her veins or whatever, but this is very consistent with what HL Hunts going to believe about his background and himself because he thinks

he's special, and part of why he thinks he's special is because of his blood. From 1873 to 1889, the Hunts have eight children. The last of whom is our boy, Harold's and Lafayette. Given that he is the same name as his father, Hash, he was nicknamed "Junior," and the family soon took to calling him "Junior Juni," so as a boy he goes by "Junior Juni,"

because he's got the same name as his dad, who goes by Hash. Now, the Hunts 500 acre farm was productive and supports the family well, but how well it supports them is kind of hard for me to say. To sell rights that they quote, "just managed to scrub out a meagre living," but we also know that by the time Hash dies, he gives his all eight of his kids, pretty significant

inheritances, that suggests they're actually doing very well. Now maybe I don't know how long it takes them to be doing very well, but certainly by later in his life, they're like upper middle class, right? If not rich, it's a little hard for me to tell that. Do we know the breakdown of like the genders of the siblings, was it like more girls than

boys, because you can outsource the girls they can get, they can go somewhere else? I think it's a pretty good split, but he's got at least a couple of sisters. That said, I think it's also kind of talks up his family having a harder time when he was a kid than they really did, because all conservatives who wind up crazy rich like to pretend they were poor than they were, at any rate, in 1894, when Juni was like five or so,

his dad hash gets elected Sheriff of Fayette County. He ran as a Republican, which is a major shift for the son of a Confederate volunteer who'd fought against the union himself.

Hash becomes the first Republican Sheriff of Fayette County, although not the last.

heading home for a few days to tend his farm, which was now primarily maintained by his

wife and older sons.

“If two sales boat gives an accurate account, H.L. Hunt or hash was not a pleasant man to”

have as your dad, quote, "Hash Hunt would storm through the house, sipping a bit of his own homemade corn whisky from a jar, and thundering to anyone with an earshot his views on the world, on the hard time that it spread through the nation like a pestilots, on the politicians who had brought these conditions about, and on the bare living he was able to scratch out from his farm and his share of salary."

So they've got kind of right-wing talk radio in the form of their dad, and he's just like a drunk, rushed limbaugh, complaining about how hard things are while he makes a lot of money. I'm so glad he has the authority to arrest people. There's nothing to talk about, you know what you're doing to the economy.

No law about how drunk you can be is a sheriff in Illinois in the 1800s. I feel confident saying that. Thank God for that. Thank God for that. So we used to be a proper country, princess, we used to be a proper country.

Exactly. So as I noted earlier, most casual bias of Hunt will point out that he was homeschooled. Now the pending on the source, I've seen arguments that his education was pretty minimal and lacking, and that his mom did a really good job. Whatever the case, he was brilliant from a young age.

Hunt purportedly learned to read before he was three years old, and as one writer phrased it, was clever with numbers from a very early age. Now I suspect these claims are a mix of the truth and some myth making. Hunt is as an adult going to be an almost supernaturally gifted card counter. He is legitimately, and there's enough evidence that we know this isn't myth making.

When he sits down to play poker, he wins, right?

He's got like a super power, like he's incredible at it, and he's also just his business

career shows. He's really good with money. He's good at like counting up sort of risk analyzing risk versus like the odds of profit and loss in his head and making snap decisions that wind up being very accurate. So I don't doubt that he's a math genius.

I kind of doubt he was full on reading before the age of three, but he probably was precocious. His sisters adored him and in general the women and his family paid close and doting attention to the boy. Hunt would later complain of his family's poverty in those years, but the hunt family were an objectively better shape than their neighbors.

The 1880s played host to one of our nation's many regular back before the great depression and then afterwards when they like changed the way the banking system worked in significant ways.

“We used to have depressions a lot more regularly, right?”

It's like it's like diagnosed of depression.

It's like you're going to have it every couple of you're going to have a high low day.

Yeah. The national economy was disthymic. Yeah. Exactly. Then it had pros.

Exactly. It's a really weird way to make it. We haven't been in money pros. Which is the the FDIC? I guess.

I guess. Yeah. So the 1880s played host to one of our nation's, one of these depressions and most of their neighbors lose everything or almost everything during this time. Now the hunts don't, but hashes still unhappy to still describe him as a man driven

to rage by his failure to make more of a success of himself and one who took his frustrations out on his wife and children. This creates a miserable situation for Ella and she tries to distract herself by obsessively caring for her youngest son, Juni, per the book Kingdom. Juni was her pet, her baby, and he looked to her for refuge against this strange violent

man who filled him with terror every time he entered the house. He was almost a serial killer. He was almost a serial killer. Yeah. That was like he's got to get to few of those vibes.

Yeah. Yeah.

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terrible marriage by obsessing over her youngest son, this comes to a head with Juni, who again is the future richest man in the world, with seven years old. Hash came back early from a trip out, sheriffing, or something.

“And he stumbles onto what had become something of a secret between Juni, his mother, and”

the world. Quote, standing on a milk box in front of her as she worked the dough, the seven-year-old Juni had his face upturned as he suckled her naked breast. Now Hash had heard stories from James, the oldest boy still at home, who was working the family farm, that Ella Rose was nursing Juni longer than was natural.

Hash just missed those stories at the time, having preferred abolishing the thought to face in something that seemed shameful and repugnant to him. So that's a bit odd, seven's late. It's like that kid from Game of Thrones is like, he got to get off the kid. I don't want to like shame people for nursing, but seven's a bit late.

We can agree. Sweet Robin, you got to get off your mom's kid. Take it. And that boy and a diabolical. Get it up off that.

So to say that Hash doesn't take finding this out well, would be putting it mindly. He starts screaming, he goes into a rage, the book doesn't say he's violent, so I hope he wasn't, but I don't know. But at the very least, he screams at his wife and demands that you explain what the hell is going on.

And this is where we get one of the first instances of two sales book presenting us with

an incredibly detailed conversation. From a moment, he absolutely could not know about in any real detail. Yeah, this is his head cannon. He's like, he's like, "Well, I get for myself into the mind of my, of my hero, baby hash, baby Judy, what is he thinking, wiping the milk off his mouth listening to the conversation?"

This has to be based on what Hunt remembered 70 years later and told his sons maybe about this happening. But yeah, he claims that Ella Bigger has been not to, don't make more of this than it is hash and hash starts yelling even more after this to which she begs, "Not in front of Juni hash, please, you'll regret your words later on."

"I'll regret nothing, except not listening to my own instincts. I've been blind for years.

“Too busy to put my foot down when it mattered most. Let this be the end of it, you hear?”

I'll listen to no pale excuses. This has to end at once."

Hash's word was final. Ella Rose never exposed her bosom to her youngest son again, whether

came to hate and resent his father all the more for taking from him what was the most

“important thing he had known so far, his intimacy with his mother. Hash tried to assume”

a more active role in family affairs from that day on, but the effort was a hollow one. His heart simply was not in it. So, young HL is not going to pick up any good lessons about this. Number one, this is kind of like a weird intimacy that's probably bordering on unhealthy, if not has crossed the line into unhealthy. But the fact that his dad then screams at him and takes it away is even worse and makes like this guy is going to have so much

many family related issues. And one thing he's going to learn is that families are better off without husbands. Yeah, he's a fruity injury. It's a full-blown animal complex. Like you get,

he gets caught almost like cuckolding his own father. That's obviously not how he sees it as a

seven-year-old, but his dad sure sees it that way. Absolutely. And I just, and just the visual of him needing to be on top of a crate to reach the bosom, it feels like it's too much.

“Like, I'm not a team hash, but I definitely think he need to put the cabosh on that.”

It's like, that is not okay. Yeah. It's good stuff. So, whenever I'm starting my research into a new bastard, I don't know a lot about going into the project. There's this period of anxiety where I'm like sinking research time into a guy, but I don't know if they're interesting enough to like work as an episode yet. And when I hit this story, was the moment I stopped worrying about HL Hunt? I was like,

oh, thank God. Okay. Okay. There's something to see cards even to with this mother fucking. We're going to get you don't tend to see this story mentioned in most other articles on the guy with a notable exception, one of my major sources for this, which was a chapter from Heather Hindershot's great book What's Fair on the Air, which is about cold air war era right wing broadcasting. She devotes a chapter to Hunt, and she writes this, that he had nursed at his mother's breast until the age of

seven was a point of pride for their evidence of his innate specialness. Normal rules didn't apply to him. He reasoned. So, that's based on he would talk about this moment, to like journalists and to his kids, and he was proud of it because again, he develops pride in being different from everybody else. Right? Not subject to the rules. That's also a very important thing. Like, I'm the eldest boy. Yeah. Yeah. I was sweet boy. I can tuck up my mom's head as long as I want. I got boy. Yeah.

Got him. Yeah. Now, yeah. There's a lot to say about like, house good kids need to feel like they

“matter and like they're special, but not in certain ways. Also, like you need to feel like you”

matter and you're special because everyone matters and the special, which is like what Mr. Rogers tried to get across as opposed to, no, no, I'm special as opposed to everyone else. And that's why they want to defund PBS everyone. They want you to be reminded of all these. The breast milk. Only the breast milk. That's big breast milk is behind all of this princess. I've been saying that for years. It's true. Oh my goodness. Yeah. The breast milk industrial complex is what really runs

this country. Lord. So, the feeling of specialness and young H. L. Hunt was stoked by the way his sisters treated him. While his older brother James and his dad both bullied him, his mom and the girls smothered him with attention. And his biography to sew rights that June's sisters teased him often enough about being Ella Rose's favorite, but the teasing was good natured and playful. Unlike James's sneering and resentful taunting, the girls regarded Juni as their own special pet as well

as Ella Rose's. Right? So, that's probably not bad. You know, your sister's kind of babying the youngest kid. But again, this is all going to sort of feed and do as I am a special person complex, which isn't going to be ideal for everyone. Hunt also enjoyed a close relationship with his older brother, Leonard, who he idolized and who loved him back. Two still is one of the people who will argue that this homes that his homeschooling education was quite good. Ella Rose

teaches her youngest son, Greek, Latin, French, and German. And when he starts reading at age three, it said that she gives him issues of the newspaper so that he could learn what was going on in the world. Now again, some of this has got to be myth making, but two still claims that Hunt

quote gained a reputation throughout the region as a child genius, despite the fact that he never

attended the local school. Now what's odd about this to me is the fact that two sildan adds his entire education was received from his mother and from his sister's readers, which he devoured when they came home from school. So again, his sisters and brothers get to go to school. Yeah. And it sounds like he doesn't because he's too smart in his mom wants to home school is at which is really weird and different and also is going to make him feel very special. I did

look through Hunt's FBI report, which claims that and that there's a reason why he's got it FBI report. And it includes claims that Hunt was known in the areas being able to memorize a page of prose in two readings by the time he was in the fifth grade and that that was the end of his schooling.

didn't. So I don't know what the truth is. Anyway, this is weird is the truth. We're not the truth.

“I think there might be because a lot of the people who write about the and he never went to school.”

He was homeschooled or like weird right wing and libertarian sources because this guy becomes a weird right wing billionaire that may be the because it's out. It doesn't sound as good to their kind of narrative of like, well, he went to school until he was in the fifth grade at which point he was homeschooled the rest of the way. Right. Right. Or adding that he was homeschooled by his mother who continuously put her breast in his face. Right. Right. That's good. It makes less of a good case for homeschooling.

Yeah, not not the trad wife idea. I'm sure that they want to promote it. Yeah, homeschooling. So the first way that June exhibited his intellect in a major way to the world was by getting really, really unbeatably good at card games and other games of chance. This is kind of the earliest happiness that he experiences and probably remembers, which is beating the piss out of his sisters and brothers at various card games and being praised for it. So this is going to teach him

“an important lesson. He's never going to get over loving gambling. However, the fact that he's so”

smart is not without its downsides. Per the book Kingdom. #Hunt was not nearly so impressed with his name sex mental agility as others were. And right from the beginning, young June had problems with James. You think you're better than the rest of us. Don't you? James badgered him incessantly when they were alone. You think you're smarter than we are. Now again, to silver late, it's like a page long argument between him and his brother that sounds more like a cheesy screenplay dialogue than

a real conversation. There's even a part where his big brother says, "You're a mama's pet. That's all you'll ever be." You just write that in if you're a hack screenwriter and that you transition

immediately to him like as a young adult trying to get his foot in the door. It is first business.

There's something. It's like he would have loved young Sheldon. He would have loved young Sheldon. So as he grows up in this account, he does everything he can to be the opposite of a mama's boy. First off, he gets swollen. He starts working out. Mainly, he's just doing like hard labor outdoors. But he gets really jacked. He's a big guy. He's tall. And he is like a bit large muscular dude. Everyone seems to agree about that. He becomes a skilled horse writer even bearback.

And a skilled outdoorsman. He works with his brother in the family business on the farm. And he proves his worth by using his skill with numbers to benefit everybody and improve the family business. After summarizing all this, Tussel gives us another absolutely made-up claim. He was growing into a handsome young man, the best looking of all of his brothers. And Tussel is going to say a lot of weird stuff about how sexy this guy is.

Just talk about later. That's kind of a through line in his other biographies. I don't know why. He's a stand. He's a stand. He's the ultimate stand. He's like he's so hot. Look at- Yeah, there's a dude who could have fucked. Now, we have photos of this person. Yeah, yeah. We've got some. You can look at some

“up. So if you want to try to find us a younger one, I only should have included one.”

Yeah, let's see this hot. The photos I've only seen are from when he's older. Yeah, I only found older ones. But I didn't look as hard as I should have. I'll try to find some. Yeah, none of this work earns him his father's approval. And his older brother keeps hating him because once Juni proves himself, James resents him for being the better businessman. Eventually, Jun's constant frustration is

alleviated by a miracle. The U.S. declares war on Spain in 1898 in James and Lists, which gets his

ass out of the home and gives Jun some breathing room for the first time in his young life.

Well, the future richest man on earth, New Year's adolescence. His father uses the by now considerable wealth and cloud that he'd amassed to start a small local bank. The people state bank. Weirdly, his oldest son, Robert, who had moved out of the house by this point, starts a separate bank to compete with his dad's bank, which says a lot about the family dynamics that isn't spelled out in this book. But yeah, you don't do that if you have a good

relationship with your dad, create a spite bank, a spite bank, a bank just despite your father. Well, it's so candleroy coded. It's like, I just don't. I'm just giving a success. I'm just kind of like, he's like, I'm the oldest boy. I'm going to make my own big dad. It's a really petty succession because these banks only serve the town they're in and the town they're in, Ramsey has 600 people. Like, and every member counts. And every, yeah, every member counts.

And the spite bank. Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's, it's very funny. To sell includes this quote, #littleappreciated. This unique form of incestuous capitalism. But it was a great source of merriment among the neighbors. Everyone's laughing about the spite bank that is oldest made. Right. They're like, if you have a problem with one bank, just like, and I'll go over to your mother's. Your son's shitty bank. Yeah. So not long after this, his older brothers move out of the house,

This seems to have ignited a wanderlust in young H. Elhond, a desire to go out into the world

“and make something of himself. Previously, he'd been content living at home and being”

doded on by his sisters. But at age 12, he runs away from home the first time. And it doesn't

go far. And the way that to so describes it, he's motivated less to escape forever than just, he wants to get away for a couple of days and see a little bit of the world before he comes back. He just kind of wants to ramble. And you could kind of do that as a 12. There's not like a CPS going around to make sure you're everyone's 12-year-olds aren't running around right in the rails. Like nobody cares in the government at this point in time. And there's eight of them. So really,

you don't even like, if you lose one, you got seven out there. If you lose one, you got plenty of kids left. He's away a couple of nights, but he comes back changed. And from this point on over the next four

years, he's going to leave home regularly every couple of months to explore. And he lives a very

“Peter Pan style existence in those days. To so write, he had discovered that many other young”

vagabonds were on the road. Boys and girls alike whose families were too poor to feed them properly at home. On occasion, he had hooked up with a gang of them and slept in teenage hobo jungles around open campfires. That does sound kind of awesome. I would re-reabout that. That's a pretty cool and also kind of like a special hell, but you know, it could be either. I'm imagining it as being exactly like the movie hook, though. I'll be honest with you. Like right down to the brightly colored

imaginary food stuff that they throw at each other. I have found a young, a young, age-old image. Oh, good. Good. You think about that? I'm going to think about Rufio getting stabbed. Real bummer. I was literally like, what if he looks like young, Jacob Ballardy? Not as much. Not as much. But yeah, he's a big guy. You could see. He's like very broad shoulders. Yeah. He's like, you know, he's an eight.

“The looks Max, there's what a proof of him. I think. Yeah. Yeah. He's a reasonably good looking guy.”

Yeah. Yeah. Certainly not a bad looking guy. Nice to see. Yeah. That you could just kind of looks like a big white guy. Got to be honest. He just looks like a guy. He looks like a big white guy. He's not like a movie star, for sure. But he's real big. Yeah. In those days, if you were huge, it just said like, wow, you're not malnourished and dying. Let's make kids, you know? Right. It's like George Washington. Like, of course, he was ready president. He was six four. He was six four.

Not a lot of people got to be that big back then. He had to be in a lot of milk and meat when you were a kid. Um, yeah. So when he's 16, June leaves the house for good. He has six feet tall now. And as we just saw in the picture, pretty big. He's big enough. Nobody questions that he's like not old enough to be doing whatever he's doing by the time he's 16. He looks enough like an adult

that people treat him like one. He leaves in the spring of 1905 and he first hit St. Louis where

he gets a job on a railroad. He takes odd jobs to get from Kansas to Colorado and then he heads up towards Utah where he gets a gig watching a carload of sheep on a train ride to California. As soon as he gets to California, he falls in love with it like all sensible people do. Although being a libertarian to still has to write this in the grossest way that he can. He found California much to his liking, especially the lust blonde beauties who appeared as plentiful as the

succulent fruit that grew in this golden sun-soaked land. All right. I got to tell you, this is based on what to sell thought of California in the 80s. In 1905, California isn't like the center of like a massive world renowned entertainment industry. It's like a place some people live in or farming and stuff. Like the weather's famously good, but it's not famous for its blonde beauties. It's just famous is when the dust bowl hits in a few decades, it doesn't get heard as badly

as everywhere. People are thinking of California in 1905 in those terms. That's some shit that too sill is thinking about. Also, I got to read these next couple of sentences to you. This is too so describing how to Africa to California. With his good height and his hard solid body, his deep-set blue eyes and rugged looks. He had little trouble in attracting more than his share of young females. His sexuality was strong and developing and he exuded an aura of raw animal

magnetism. Who told you that Jerome to sell? Who told you about his hard hot body and his animal magnetism? Where did you get that? Jerome? Did you get that? Yeah. The homework system is just just blow it. He was dead by this point. Don't let that limit you. Don't let wow. Princess weeks. Don't let that limit you. That's a quote. Dream big. Dream big. Dream big and weird.

book about Iron Rand and failing to become the mayor or the governor of a good witch, he grew disillusioned with libertarianism as a political tendency. He'd also long since broken with iron Rand over a number of things that he disagreed with her about. He gives up political rabble rousing and becomes a stock broker, and eventually a financial writer. In the 1980s, he started writing books on investing and then he launched a series of biographies. Kingdom is one of them.

Another written in 1985 was Trump. The saga of America's most powerful real estate barren.

This is the first published biography of our current president. That trash. That's good. That makes them. Poor the New York. I'm going to quote from the New York Times here. "Denight acts as to his subject, members of his family and most of his associates, Mr. Too sill relied heavily on newspaper and magazine accounts to produce what Michael Stern writing in the New York Times book review

“called a G-Wizzer of a biography that points a key to Mr. Trump's career. His ability to turn”

political friendships, tax abatements, and government loans into opportunities for profit." Which does sound like an accurate discipline, kind of how he made his money. But also it shows like that. His sources. He found some newspapers in magazine accounts. Maybe he talked to a couple of guys about Hunt to new him. But a lot of this is just him kind of filling into blanks to make this exciting. I know I'm spending way longer in these episodes

about Hunt talking about his biographer than I should. But everything I find out about Jerome Too sill kind of drives me crazy. His other I look to do is biography. And his other books. He's like most famous book. One of them is he wrote a history of black soldiers in the Spanish American War that's like super anti-Teddy Roosevelt. And apparently a pretty good book. He's not like a crypto fascist or anything. But when I saw that he made a Trump biography, I got this like I decided

to look into that a little bit. And I just started doing some word searches because I was like, does he is this weird him calling Hunt a lot? Is that like a pattern in his books? How did I add it right you? Yes, yes, princess it is. Here's a paragraph from his book on Trump. Fred Trump was still tall and that's, art president's dad. Fred Trump was still tall and slim at 67 with a full head of dark graying hair handsome in a 1940s movie star way sporting a swept

back pompadore and a dark pencil thin mustache. Indeed, he looked as though he might have stepped out of an old movie starring Barbara Stanwick or Joan Crawford, the mysterious charmer faintly dangerous. Donald, as tall as Fred, both men standing a couple of inches over six feet. Handsome, clean shaven, with only a hint of a pouty sneer crossing his lips. I've seen this man look like in many phases of his life. He is none of that. He has not shown you a picture of these two

next to each other from this time. He is D.F. Trump's dad and here's Trump's dad in 1969. He does not look like a sexy movie star. No, but he does want to be a powerful tower that Trump tower guys. He does. And he kind of, he looks sort of like if Walt Disney had Prageria like his face is not smooth looking like he's not handsome. He's a striped

“Trump. Yeah, a lot of forehead. A lot of forehead very red. Very red. Yeah. He loves, I think he just”

loves money so much that it makes whatever man around him like the hotest guy. That is not what we call a baby ham Lincoln. That is. I have to read a lot of biographies, a very uneven autobiographies,

you know, for these, this, the show I do, I've never run into a guy who talks about how hot his subjects

are this often. It's really, it's really weird. Yeah. It's truly weird. You know what, that's Olivia newsies like in Spobor. She's like, yeah. Yeah. She's like, "Great reference." So I, I, I did, I kept digging because I wanted to see how far down the rabbit hole this went. I found an archive copy of two sales biography of Rupert Murdoch from 1989 because of course he wrote the "Rupert Murdoch" biography. That said, I didn't find any returns for handsome or any related

terms. I didn't read through the book. So maybe he just used different words to talk about Murdoch being hot. Anyway, this is a pointless diversion, but I had to do it. Thank you. No, it's worth it. Now I'm imagining, like, him doing a biography of, like, Elizabeth Holmes. Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of pages talking about her turtleneck fit her Jerome,

“right? Do we need to, do we need to add it maybe some of this down? That's what the people want.”

They're here, they're here for my third straps. You know who else has a crush on Elizabeth Holmes?

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because he's moved to San Francisco by this point in the story the early 1900s and he falls into a happy life gambling with sailors and prostitutes and other assorted people living on the margins of the world. He finds out that he's really good at poker and that he can win money basically every time he plays. To sell chalks this up to his photographic memory, in essence, Hunt is someone who's brain just automatically starts card counting. Like he doesn't even know what

he's doing, right? But that's just how he, his head works and so he just always wins when he's

playing poker. Hunt is able to live comfortably in a flee bag motel as a card shark and, you know, after some period of months of this, to sell treats us to another deeply uncomfortable paragraph, about Hunt, like he invites this prostitute into his room and he's so good at sex that she falls in love with them. Like he wins the heart of a prostitute for being really good at bucking. You know what, it's so unfair. Yeah, it's great. According to this account, this prostitute

that he's with finds out that the hotel he's staying in, he tells her and she's like, oh no, they drug young men there and like Shanghai them to force them to work on boats somewhere, which is a thing that happened in that period of time and he's like, and they're about to do it

fucking San Francisco for Reno and he tries out for a minor league baseball team, but that doesn't pan out. But while he's away, there's a horrible quake in San Francisco and the hotel that he'd been staying in collapses. So June becomes convinced his result of this that he's someone special and that the universe has marked him out for a purpose. All of this has just really reinforced that he is

“the special boy of history, right? That's how this man grows up feeling. Yeah, and, and you know,”

like I said, he didn't have the making of a varsity. Yeah. He does not have the making of a varsity athlete. No. Princess Nairn is referencing every single HBO show. Exactly. That's good. Also,

audience Roberts never seen the sopranos, and I'm very upset about it. Yeah, it's not my,

oh yeah, yeah, I don't know. It's the anti-attallion discrimination. So Fee, that's my issue with the sopranos, you know, my people didn't work a very, very hard to become famous for making hand gestures and running Bucodabepo for you to bring us down by associating us with the mafia. And yes, I did have multiple family members who were involved in organized crime, but that's still a bad stereotype, even though a lot of Italians do have a family history and involved with them. I think you

would fucking love this. It's an amazing show. Like, okay. The amount of racism that I have that I have like, but I love to do soprano. I was like, listen, I get it. It's fine. I forgive him, because he wants to fight the FBI. Yeah, by the FBI, he wants to, hey, so to, so to, one of my cousins,

it didn't end well for him. The gun that killed him sold at auction a few years ago for like 50

grand or something. Nice. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like I should own that actually. You're just like, the killer has begun to kill my cousin. Yeah. I do too, but I wouldn't have

“a proof of you spending that much on a family heirloom. No, no, no, no. That's why I didn't”

put it on the auction. But I was, I was like, it's fucked up for anyone else to own the gun that killed my cousin. It's fucked up to sell a gun and be like, this is the gun that killed this guy. But 50 grand is wild. Yeah. That's all happening at around this time. I forget how exactly I'm much and so forth. It was a crazy amount. Um, so anyway, I don't know how much credence to give the whole, I was so good at sex that like a magical prostitute saved my life by helping me escape

an earthquake thing. That's not I can believe. I can believe that like he left a hotel in San Francisco and not long after there was an earthquake, because that earthquake did happen and a lot of stuff was destroyed by it. And a lot of people had the experience of a week or two earlier, I was in the hotel that collapsed. Tongues of people would have had a story like that. So it's very possible. And it's just a thing that happened to hundreds and hundreds of people because that's how

hotel's work. And he takes from this, I am special and marked out for greatness, right? Um, so one of the other things that we see in Hunt, you know, in the early days, he has this growing belief that he's special. And he also has a fundamental distrust of his fellow man, not long after all of this bruhahah with San Francisco and trying out for baseball and Reno. He's like,

“goes, he's I think he's in Arizona. He's in the southwest. He's working. He's like, with a bunch of”

day laborers and there's like white day laborers and there's a group of Mexican day laborers and they have separate camps because it's the 19, it's like 19, oh six or something. That's a lot of seven. And he goes over along with some of like the other white workers to play cards with the Mexican laborers one night. And Hunt just wins everything. He takes all of these Mexican guys money, which winds up to like four grand. Everything they have in the wolves. And so the the

the other white dudes, the longer he wins, they start leaving to go back to their camp because they're like, hey, hey man, or hey, uh, Hunt, maybe you want to go, you probably don't want to take all these guys money. This seems like they could get dangerous. So they leave, but Hunt does it. He's he's he can't stop playing cards. What he's playing cards. So he doesn't stop until he's taken all of their money. At which point he realizes all of his friends are gone. And he gets like scared. And he basically

takes the money and runs off into the bushes because he feels like he has to hide from the Mexicans.

Even though as far as we know, they never go after him or try to hurt him. All of the evidence

suggests they took their loss fine and they didn't like threaten him. He just is sure that because their Mexicans, they're going to try to kill him to get their money back. So we like hides in the bushes. And then he tries to like in the middle of the night hike back to the camp with his friends. But when he gets back there, he's like, wait a second. How well do I really know these guys? They're definitely going to rob me. They know I have all this money. They might kill me.

So he has a panic attack. And he like hides and camps out in the woods that night. And then like goes just leaves. Quits the job and hikes off into another town basically because he he doesn't want to be near where anyone knows that he's won this money.

killing that night? What was to stop two or three of them from jumping him in his bunk, leaving him with a knife between his ribs and slipping off with his winnings? So you've heard enough being the most special boy. Right. There's this deep distrust of other people that again, at no point, and to so just writes this like, of course, he was reasonable to fear that these Mexicans were going to kill

“him. But at no point is there any evidence that they threaten his life at all?”

Okay. I do want to emphasize that. This is all entirely something he decides. So he makes his way to South Dakota where he meets who to salesbook describes this as the best friend he's going to have in his entire life, a dude named Steve. No last name provided. Now, just still insist that this is the best. No last name, this is the best. This is the best. This is the best, this is the best. No, this is the best. We don't even need last days. We don't even need

last days. We're that close. That is definitely a way of boy friendships of life. This is the best. I don't know. He's one name. He thinks he's fucking zendair or some shit. What's happening? Right. The fucking Steve. Steve. I kind of think Steve. Hunt probably tells his kids later in life that this guy was his best friend ever because I don't know otherwise why he still wouldn't insist it. But they only know each other for like a few days, maybe a few weeks. And the main thing,

the only story we get about their marvelous friendship is that one night hunt beats Steve at cards and takes all of his money, which is like 260 bucks. And he feels bad about it. So he's like, hey man, you don't have to pay me back. And Steve is like, no, you know, I made a promise, you know, this is a this is a bond I owe you and I'm going to pay you, you know, don't think anything about it. And then Steve sits down and has like the fucking Ben Affleck conversation with his friend

“where he's like, you need to leave here. You got to go to college. You're too smart to keep,”

you know, work in like this, right? And so Hunt is like, you know, what you're right, Steve,

and he leaves off to go to college and they never see each other again. And that is the greatest

friendship of his entire life. God, he invented a father figure just so he could go to school. I'm going to a little hunting him and then did a goodwill hunting to. Yeah, his best friend, Steve, then do each other for days. That's just about for never Steve. Never met again. Steve, yeah. Exactly. Steve is me, she. Yeah. So now age 17, Steve, or not Steve, Hunt briefly attends college. Robin. Yeah. Yeah, he's 17. He goes to Val Parizo,

which is known as the poor man's Harvard. And he robs his fellow students there blind at card games. And then dips after like a semester. He never gets a degree. He just kind of takes everyone's money and then leaves. He goes home. He's around 18 now when he finally makes his way back home for the

first time since he'd left. And he stays at home for a while. But then he sets out again with his brother

Leonard this time. They go out to like work in the northwest together and make money. But Leonard gets sick with tuberculosis, you know, and president of the podcast, friend of the pod tuberculosis. And he can't keep up with his brother. And he has another to still has another like heartfelt card was, you know, Leonard is like to his brother. Look, you got to go on without me. I'm too slow.

“Don't let me stop you from achieving greatness basically. And so Hunt goes up to Canada, right?”

And he's working in Canada in 1910 when he gets a telegram that his brother is has just died. Leonard has died, you know, of his tuberculosis. So Hunt heads home for the funeral. And he stays at home for a few months. And while he's there, his dad dies too, right? So at this point, HL Hunt is like 1819, you know, he's no longer going by junior. And after his dad dies, he inherits $5,000. He doesn't get the land. Someone else gets the land because he's not living at home. But he gets

like a nest egg of money. And he takes this and he adds it to the money that he's saved up it from working as a card shark. And he decides, I'm going to stop wandering. I'm going to make real money in order to do that. I need to like invest in something. And I want to start a farm, right?

His dad had always talked about how much better the soil was down in the south. And how,

oh, if only we lived in Arkansas, then we'd really be doing well, you know, as farmers. So Hunt moves down south to Arkansas on the end of 1911. And he's going to buy a farm. And he is going to invest in, you know, the next part of his life. And we will get to that. And what happens later, and how we become the richest man on earth, in part two, princess. How you feel it? I am excited to find out about this man whose family was like, let's move to the

north. Oh, wait, actually, I regret that. Let's go back. Yep. Princess, do you have anything you want to plug real quick? Oh, um, yeah, I have a YouTube channel, princess weeks. I talk about pop culture, sci-fi, all the good stuff. And yeah, just happy to be here. This is really interesting. I, I love this really, really hot, uh, millionaire and training. This, yes, sexy, millionaire, uh,

Don't stop. Keep going. Keep going. You're too hot. Don't be slowed down by my, my conveniently,

“narrative, we convenient. Yeah. Will be back with part two. All right, everybody. Go to hell.”

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