Part Two: Dr. Sleep: The Australian Psychiatrist Who Made People Sleep Themselves To Death

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- So, it's probably time to talk about what Dr. Bailey was like to work with. And to go to as a patient or a parent as a patient, right? What's this guy like as a colleague, as a boss, and as your doctor?

He was obviously a charming man, very charismatic, and this is obvious because he was able to convince large numbers of his colleagues and many patients that he's totally legitimate, right? Not only legitimate, but a really good physician.

And, you know, he's got a talent for displaying himself and portraying himself in a way that makes people think he is trustworthy, right? - I trust anyone who seems trustworthy. - That's a good, right, right.

Like when I need someone to like watch my car or my cat for a weekend, like I make my way through the most windowless strip club in Portland. And I find that guy sitting in the back who's obviously carrying an illegal concealed weapon.

And I get him the keys to my house, you know, because he looks so shady, he's obviously a good guy.

“That's what the home alone movie is taught us.”

- That is what it taught us. No, I just mean if you're like a celebrity, if you're like someone who's like Tom Hanks,

- Nah, neither do you and I'm people. (laughing) Tom Hanks is the deep state. - Very true, very true. So, yeah, he's a charming guy.

Multiple people who knew him all noted

that Harry Bailey was always well dressed.

And as his career went on, he was able to afford fine tailored suits. He was as the Australian Encyclopedia of biography notes, both a quote, "charabfaced charmer "and prone to quote occasional drunken rages."

There's not enough to tell about those occasional drunken rages. Unfortunately, we do not have nearly the context I'd like to have on this guy's drunken rages. There are two wolves that live inside you. - Yeah, and I kind of reading between the lines,

“I think both his wife and some of his nurses”

put up with his occasional drunken rages, that he sometimes is a real problem. - You're at work drunk as a drunken well dressed. - Baby? - Maybe.

I can't say that, like there's just very little detail on this, but kind of from other things, people who said I kind of think maybe he at least, maybe it may have just been like work parties and stuff that sometimes he got to drunken.

- Right.

- Okay, that's a very calfuck Mary Kale Charubic.

Well dressed, drunken rages. - Let's see. Fuck well dressed, Mary Drunken rage. Mary Drunken rage and kill the cherub. - Okay, wow, didn't see that coming.

- I did, I fear I did. - So he also has a tendency to lie. This is noted by his colleagues and some peers pretty early on like a lot. And weirdly in situations where it's not necessary

and often to exaggerate stuff that he definitely did, like he do something positive or that was seen as positive. And then he would lie about it to make it seem even like a bigger deal. So people notice this about him too.

- I believe in him being a guy. - I get it. - It's a salesman. - Right, right. And some of this is like his colleagues

“and some of the people who work with him will note”

that like, he'll light a patience about some of his successes and things. Like that's, he's not only lying. He's lying so that it was colleagues, but he's lying a lot to convince people

to do his treatment, right? Like he's lying about how well this stuff works to get them in the bed, right? - Okay. - Now speaking of getting them in bed,

Dr. Harry Bailey was also a man you would describe as irresponsibly horny. And in some cases perhaps illegally horny. The authors of the Chelmsford block note that he had, quote, a reputation

for making sexually inappropriate comments to or regarding female patients. - So that's not where that sleep stuff gets real. - Yeah, yep. - Yeah, yeah, just wait, Gabe.

And again, this is, if you're wondering like, well, why didn't this cause problem before? It's the 60s. He is probably, I would be shocked if much less than half of practicing male doctors

in this period had a reputation for making sexually inappropriate comments to patients. - Maybe it wasn't that high, but I better was. - My grandfather was such a square. He was a doctor around that time.

And he, my grandmother's, and like my dad, when all these people in our family said that he was like not really liked because if another doctor married Dr. was like having an affair with like a nurse or something, he would just, he would be like,

he would ice him. He'd be like, I hate that guy. And all the others would be like, boo, this is what we do, we're fun. And he was like, the guy being like, hey,

we shouldn't do this, guys. - Can you believe he's got a problem with Dr. Fox every nurse? - My God. - Can you believe that's his, is, yeah.

- I got to think the other, like he didn't have a lot of friends cause he would be like, I can't even out that guy, he's in more. - I can hang out with you, you're a sex pest. - Yeah.

- That does, you, every now and then. - You would not be an out. - You're like, you, like, you got some of this during like me too where there would be you would find out cause usually you found out, oh, the celebrity that I like

or kind of like kept his mouth shut new about Weinstein. But every now and then you'd find out about one who was like, from the jump like, no, fuck, fuck this guy, I won't work with him. And it was all, it was usually someone here

who you were like, I wonder why their career hadn't taken off more. - Oh, cause they had ethics. - Ah, okay. - Yeah.

- Cause they were mean to the rapists. - Yeah, my grandpa wasn't climbing the ranks at the hospital. - Right, right, right. Yeah, why do you want to stop everybody

from rapping fun, you know?

“And that's the kind of doctor, that's how Bailey is.”

And again, that's also how he's seen. This is not immediately seen as a problem by a lot of people in his profession

because the problem is why it's read and the profession.

Now that said, an interesting thing about him is it's noted in several of my sources that both his wife and a lot of his mistresses, many of the women he had affairs with should incredible loyalty to him over the years.

- He dick's eyes. - Something about this guy, it's not just like the women he's romantic with a lot of his staff too. Something about this guy, he really does inspire

- So it's not just the women he's sleeping with.

It's beyond that. So he's not dictimatizing. - Yeah, it's not just the dick stuff, right? He's the more has to be happening. He has to be giving these people something

out of a relationship that they value. Even though his wife leaves him eventually for cheating on him, you know? - Sure, sure. - It's like, it's like Keith Reneri, Manson,

it's like that kind of shit. - Yeah, or just, I've known men and women who she did constantly on partners that they were with. And we're also really pleasant and nice people outside of that who were very well-liked

and who even their partners or former partners who got pissed at them eventually would be friends with them again, because they're just really charming people who can't fucking control themselves around consensual sex.

And maybe that's kind of what's going on with this guy

is that he's just likable in person for a long time. - It's crazy. - I kind of think that is the case to a lot of people. I mean, some people do note, wow, there's drunken rages aren't great,

but a lot of people are able to put up with them and it's because he's giving them something, like providing them something socially that they value.

“So I don't know, it's just an interesting guy, right?”

He's got something going on that makes this work for him. - I feel like it's narcissism, but I don't know. - I'm not a doctor. I'm not a doctor, putting people to sleep in the 60s, what do I know?

- I'm sure that plays a role, I don't know, but he's also just very charismatic. He's got the ribs, yeah. One of his colleagues, who's later implicated in some of his criminal behavior, Dr. John Heron,

described Bailey as, quote, "A man of strong character and dogmatic opinion, "but a man who understood scientific theory "and the scientific method." This is a weird statement a little bit,

'cause what he's saying here is that like, Dr. Bailey has a strong personality and when he comes to an opinion about something, it's kind of unbreakable. If he's convinced of something,

he doesn't get unconvinced of it, but he's also a really good scientist who understands the scientific method. And like, you kind of can't be both of those things. You can't be a kind of guy who just makes up his mind

no matter what countervailing evidence shows up and also be a really strong practitioner of the scientific method. 'Cause kind of the whole point of the scientific method is like, you got to kill your darlings.

- You know, like, I learned that in the fifth grade. - Yeah, this really seems like it should work, but it doesn't. So we're gonna stop doing it. Is what scientists and doctors did

with deep sleep therapy? Dr. Bailey can't do that. So, I should also note that the fact that he cannot change course once he starts going down a path,

this is not just relevant with his embrace of deep sleep therapy. Because Dr. Bailey also becomes a leading proponent of psychosurgery, which is, you know,

“brain surgery is a treatment for various problems, right?”

- Lebotomies? - He is not giving Lebotomies thankfully. I'll say that. - What is he doing? - What is he doing?

So modern day psychosurgery is, these are very, generally very targeted and kind of minimal, like, physical impact operations directly on the brain to deal with like, treatment resistant disorders, right?

Today, a lot of the focuses we wanna have as little a physical impact on as possible, right? We wanna be doing really targeted work 'cause it's very dangerous to fuck around with this stuff. Psychosurgery is a little bit more the wild west

in Dr. Bailey's time and day, right? And he's also convinced that homosexuality is an illness and an illness that can be cured by psychosurgery. So he does prescribe brain surgery to a lot of gay people. - That's the one thing he was right about.

- Everybody knows that. - Everybody knows that.

Yeah, now, as I stated, his patients are at first

in the early days, very loyal to him and a way that bordered for some people kind of on being, seem like drug dependency, which it may have been. 'Cause some people do really regularly come in

for, like, re-up abouts of sleep therapy and part of me is like, are they just addicted? - Yeah. - Yeah, you know? But part of the loyalty, at least the short-term loyalty,

that a lot of his patients have, is that he's selling them an answer

“to their worst and most intractable problems, right?”

You got a child, or you got a close relative who's suffering from constant psychotic breaks, right? It's a huge problem. It can fuck up an entire face, a really big issue. And someone says, two weeks of sleep

and they'll be back to normal. They'll be back to the version of themselves, you remember. If a doctor sits down and looks you in the eye and promises you that and his walls filled with awards, you're probably gonna say, okay, do it, right?

You know? - Yeah, and likewise, oh, why not? - Yeah, and if you're, if it's you going in and you're anxiety is so bad, you can't even sleep anymore

and it's ruined your fucking life. Dr. Bailey will put it like, hold you and tell you it's going to be okay.

he will drug you into unconsciousness

“and start performing surgery and shit on you.”

- So he doesn't sleep, so he doesn't think you can sleep the gay away, but he thinks you can-- - No. - He can chop it out of you 'cause I don't know that he did this, but it kind of sounds like he thinks

if maybe he could knock you out and then surgery the gay away. But I can't find it, I don't know that he actually did it. - They tried to do that to me, but I just ended up trans.

So we had to scrap it. (laughing) It's very delicate, it's procedure and he just did a little slip. (laughing)

- Thank you. - I'm all. So the Chelmsford blog notes that as far as Dr. Bailey

was concerned, he had many loyal and depended patients.

Yet would often make callous comments about them in private circles, after his death. - Fuck it, yeah, he's, again he's promising to be able everything, like they will talk about how compassionate he seemed and then he'll be like, "Can you believe he's fucking losers?"

You know? There's a royal commission report after his death that aggregates accounts from a bunch of his co-workers employees and patients in this report concludes that he was quote, "too-faced, devious, dissembling

and unprincipled." And I feel like now that we've set his personality up more, let's talk about what all this stuff means in practice. What is he doing to his patients? One of his early patients was a 13-year-old girl

who was admitted suffering symptoms of anorexia nervosa. She was placed into a drug-induced coma and strapped naked to a chair. Then the treatment began. Her an article in Reuters by Australian journalist Michael Perry.

Just after midnight, a doctor entered the ward. Moments later, her body rudely awakened from a drug-induced coma thrust violently upwards as a ball of electricity surged through it. It happened 10 times in two weeks without anesthetic

without her consent and without the knowledge of her parents. Eventually, she was discharged with brain damage, but she is one of the lucky ones because she survived. - Cool. - Oh, my God. - Yeah. - What year's that?

- 13-year-old girl, no anesthetic. No consent. - Huh? - What year? - This is, I think, 63 or 64. He starts practicing deep sleep therapy at Chummsford in 63. I think this is a fairly early patient.

- Yeah.

“- I mean, how do we know that that's what happened?”

- Who told? - Because they take documented. They're keeping notes and stuff. These are patients that are being treated. The files are not, right?

They're not always providing the files

to the regulators they're supposed to and stuff, but they are taking note about what they're doing. It's not just random. - Okay. - Yeah. Bailey started practicing deep sleep therapy.

I said in 63, and as you're all now well aware, he often paired it with electro-shock therapy, but he also experimented with other kinds of serious medical procedures, like I said, he's into psychoseurgery,

and he doesn't always get consent from his patients before he performs surgery on them. In 1966, Glenn Whitty aged 28 went to Chummsford for DST. She woke up after several days under and went on with her life.

She seems to have felt that it may be helped, I don't actually have an account from her saying how she felt about it, but she goes on with her life. She doesn't seem to have a complaint initially. 18 years later, one day a lump appears on the size of her head,

and it grows to the size of an egg, so she'll have to look at the focus happening here. And after a couple of days, the lump splits open and a metal plate falls out. - Shut the fuck up.

- Yeah. - That is somebody who are fucking Kronenberg as shit. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, some Tetsuo Iron Man bullshit. The next year another metal plate emerged, right? And she has no explanation for what the fuck has happened.

Other than that, these must have been surgically inserted there. It Chummsford, Elaine Gainesboro, who visited Chummsford the same year as Glenn Whitty, also told writers that she had four metal plates inserted into her skull. She was not informed of this thing done and only found out

that this has been done nine years later because a pin holding one of the plates to the bone broke. She started experiencing difficulty speaking after this and blames whatever the fuck Dr. Bailey did to her for that. As Whitty told writers, we called Dr. Bailey the science professor

because he was experimenting on all of us. We are all damaged, brain damaged. And she blames that on his little horror hospital. - You don't know why. - Ranking sign, ask fucking, yeah. - Okay, wait, okay, you have metal in your head.

You don't know, you're hit by lightning or you don't know and you go through, you get in a metal detector. You got to know, you got to know there's metal in you. - Or a fucking MRI, I can kill you.

You can't put metal in people and not tell them. - You sure can't. - It's wild, I don't know why he did this.

“These are both, I think from the same year, like 64, was it?”

- I would like to know that all of these are men,

And the three test subjects you've thus spoken about are young women. - A lot of his patients are women. - Yeah. - Oh, shocking.

- A lot of women. - I'm not intended, I guess. So, I don't know why he did this, but it does kind of, he may have stopped after 63, this may have been an experiment where he was like,

I wonder if this will help for some reason, this case, and it didn't, and so he stops doing it. At least I don't, he's only accounts, I found, people claiming that this happened to them, and they're both from 63, so maybe he stops doing this,

but he's doing other stuff, right? - Yeah, he's perfectly willing to experiment in very invasive ways on people's bodies without their concern. - No, okay. Now, in the early years, when something like,

it wasn't always a plate, but patients would find out

he'd done something to them that they had not been told about that they hadn't consented to,

“and they would complain, which is a normal thing to do, right?”

And in this, whenever they did, they were told, oh no, you don't remember, well, here's the paper you sign. You know, we woke you up to feed you, and asked if we could do this, and you said yes, and you signed the paper, but of course you're barred,

the fuck out, you have no idea what you've done. So, this is something that happened periodically, throughout the days and weeks that people were kept unconscious. They generally did not remember their conscious moments, because again, their brains were drenched

in barred bitchewits. Today, no reputable doctor or facility would consider this proper consent. You absolutely cannot consent to surgery. When you are woken up and still on enough barred bitchewits

to drop a fucking mule, right? That is not consent. Even if you say yes and sign a piece of paper. - And your signature is just that your signature is just like looping down the whole paper,

just going down the whole paper. - Just going down the whole paper. - Just going down the whole paper. - Yeah. This is also, and I should note,

at the time, this should have been a problem, but it wasn't, this is not even at the time, considered to be great medical ethics. But it's also not considered bad enough that anyone does anything, right?

Nothing gets referred, like nothing makes it to a point where he has to like separate consequences. So, people aren't taking this seriously, and he is getting reported to regulators into the government. So, there are choices being made by professionals

in the Australia who are supposed to be regulating the medical industry, that when patients complain about stuff like this, his answer is sufficient. - Now they signed a paper, they're just crazy.

- Crazy people never remember that.

- Here's the signature, you know, thanks for coming in, Dr. Bailey. Sorry, we knew it was bullshit. I mean, he's crazy broads in my right, you know? - It's shit like that is happening all the time.

“That's how he's getting away with it, right?”

- I expect they know that it's not good, but they don't want to deal with what that, what that would cause to the medical community. And we'll talk more about why he's a ledger to get away with this, but you know what, you can get away with listeners.

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- All right, yeah, so as I've said, there is a strain running across the psychiatric profession. And I'm not saying those are the only doctors who have this problem, but it's, we're talking about that today.

And there's a strain of if only we could just do whatever we know is best to these irks and patients

who always gotta ask questions and say no to stuff, right?

That's a big thing for a lot of psychs. And so the first complaints against Dr. Bailey go nowhere. And this remains true even when he gets a child killed. - Ah. - Obviously, people die sometimes in deep sleep therapy.

Remember, the first study on this has a 12% fatality rate. - Right. - And deaths had happened to Dr. Bailey. - Right.

- The start of his clinic, right? And Dr. Sargent had gotten people killed over in the UK. Chelmsford's first death of a DST patient occurred in 1963, the first year that it was operating and doing this therapy. That death was marked down as death by misadventure,

which is a weird way to say you gave someone an over a fatal overdose in a hospital, but there was no investigation. - I've heard death by misadventure used before. - Yeah.

I don't know that I'd call it that. - Great name for a book, though. - Yeah, oh, absolutely. So it turns out that death is kind of an unavoidable when you're pounding people's nervous systems

with enough downers to fuck up an elephant. By 1969, per a very good article in the Sydney Morning Harold, quote, "Belian Heron had been sending patients to Chelmsford for a good rest for six years. Ten had died as their bodies collapsed

under the weight of massive drug dosages and ECT. Others would suffer terrifying hallucinations and wake up naked in their own urine in feces in a mixed sex ward." So, not a great place.

- And the abstinations, like, don't really go, like, I'm sure they're kind of, like, permanent. There's things that are permanent even though you're alive. - Yeah, I don't think, I don't know that the lose,

but they're a permanent call. I mean, for one thing, if you're not moving physically in a coma for like two or three weeks, that causes long-term health issues. You have to go to rehab to,

- Yes. - Like, move right again. It's bad to not move for death several weeks at a time. - Right. - So, by this point in time, by 1969,

there's quite a bit of evidence that not only is this therapy bad, but that the Chelmsford Hospital itself does not have great standards of care. In 1965, nursing staff had even petitioned the hospital

administration, which included Dr. Bailey, about safety concerns. No action was taken. In 1967, there was an anonymous complaint about Chelmsford to the health department.

No action was taken. - Wow. - Psychiatric hospitals were not generally nice places.

“And most people preferred not to think about 'em, right?”

Including most people in government. You want to look into this?

They're probably just saying crazy shit.

Let the doctor do his thing. He's want awards. That's what's happening.

“Except for an an Australian accent, right?”

You know? - Croaky. - What are you about? - I was gonna say. - We go triple in the barbee.

- Yeah, you can't really even make that charming. - No. - Even an Australian accent. - No. So Elaine McKay was the mother of a 14 year old boy named Craig,

who suffered from cerebral retinal degeneration. This meant that he had started going blind at age seven, which he found traumatic and painful for extremely obvious reasons. He gets so depressed that Craig becomes

in his mother's words hard to handle because he's really pissed off and sad. She sits down and Dr. Bailey's nice office

outside the hospital to see if he can help her boy.

Quote, he was a charmer. He promised you the world and everyone said he was the best. So once she walks Dr. Bailey through what's happening, he prescribes DST for her son and she trusts him.

He told her you're losing him at the moment, but all have your boy back. And what loving parent, hearing those words from an award-winning medical expert, would say yes, right?

- Right. - You know, it's not a her fault. Like she did, she found a doctor who all of the professional said was a good doctor. She did a her job.

She's trying to get her boy cared for. It's so fucked up. - Parents of seeing kids are so vulnerable. - Yeah, and it's, yeah. And the part of the sad thing is that like,

a lot of times like today, you hear a lot of parents getting their kids killed

with quack therapies, but it's obviously a bad

“like you should have known not to do that to your kid.”

This one, she did, they did nothing wrong. - Right. - Perth a Sydney morning, Harold. Craig was admitted to Chelmsford in April 1969. He stayed for four months during which time his mother

held a unique position as a witness in the sedation ward. None of the relatives of the other patients in the sleep ward were allowed to visit she recalls. After they'd been down for two weeks, the nurses and hairdressers would do them up

and make them look normal when the relatives could come in. I saw it all because I was the only one allowed to stay. I said that if they didn't let me stay, I'd take Craig out myself. What is happening here is they've found a whale, right?

Craig's mom is a whale. The family clearly has money, or they think the family has money. So they're like, if we keep him in the hospital for four straight months, that's four months,

where every day he's paying to be here. Plus whatever fucking drugs we give him and whatever fucking treatments we cook up, right? Great, keep him in as long as we can. Why ever let him go?

- The hairdresser part really threw me great stuff.

“So after her son has been at the hospital for months,”

she asked if she can take him home. But the nurse has said, quote, "Just a little longer, just a few days longer." She calls Dr. Bailey repeatedly. Try to be like, hey, when is this done?

I really want to take him out. Are you sure he still needs to be doing this? I don't see what more being a sleep can really help. And she doesn't know that this is happening, but Dr. Bailey is giving her son

electroconvulsive therapy. He is electrocuting Craig at night once she leaves. And she doesn't realize this, but from that article, quote, "During the day, "the nursing staff," she says, "we're very kind of considerate

"and Craig was happy." But he said, "A bad man comes at night." At the time, I didn't know what he meant. Later I realized it was Bailey. That's him talking about Bailey coming to electrocute him at night.

- Wow. - So again, this kid's not unconscious the whole time. He's being put unconscious for a period of time, but he's not out the whole while. And he's aware of some of the times he's being fucking shocked

'cause I just don't think Dr. Bailey particularly cared. Now, we don't know exactly what was done to this kid, because all of his medical records at the hospital were mysteriously lost later. So I can't really-- - Oh, really?

- Yeah, crazy. - Oh, interesting. There was a fire in that one cabinet. - There was a freak fire that burnt one kid's file. We don't know what Bailey gave him,

or what extracurricular surgeries or drugs. He may have experimented with using. But on August 19th, 1969, Elena arrived at Chelmsford and saw her son sitting in front of a fan. He was unconscious and there's like a fan blowing on him.

He's like visibly feverish and riddled with bedcores. - Oh, my God. - So she waits with her son that day, and then she heads home. Later that night, she gets a call from Chelmsford.

And they tell her and her husband that their son is dying. So she calls the hospital, frantic. And the hospital, the person who picks her up is like annoyed that she's freaking out and is like calm down.

You've got yourself into a bit of a mess. She was talked down to, quote, "like I was an idiot." I kept calling that night. I drove them nuts, bringing them every half hour. We got a taxi over to the hospital

about a seven o'clock in the morning. We knocked on the door. The matron said, "We just lost him, my dear." And that was it. I was a mess as you can imagine.

They took me off and started popping pills and it made a call me down. We were a couple of deals.

- We believe everything they told us. - Oh, no, I don't know. They're gonna come home in, too.

“- No, they're just like, given her a little like,”

they don't keep her in. But like, yeah, they do drug her immediately. - And first off, ma'am, you and your husband aren't deals for trusting a hospital.

- No, I know.

- And second, this is where the real crime

you crime should start going down. Because they killed this kid. They kept him in way longer than they needed to. They gave him, they gave a 14-year-old four months of regular massive doses of binsos

and fucking a coral hydrate. Like, so that's insane. - So this is where it becomes like, it's not just Bailey. - The nurses have decided to,

that everyone at the hospital has decided to... - They have, that is mix. Because again, the nurses trust Dr. Bailey. They're not doctors. They don't always know,

this because increasingly they start to. But it takes some time, right? I do say, there are nurses who are definitely complicit

“and doctors who are definitely complicit.”

It's hard to say how much and who at this point in time,

other like the doctors that they are.

But it's hard to say which nurses had enough, like should have known something was wrong and at what point, right? This is probably one of the points, though. - Four months.

- You still don't, does he miss a mother who's freaking out? - I like, oh, I mean, it's also just, this kid's problem is that he's going blind. You're not gonna fit, you know,

there's no way this is gonna fix that. The therapy was because he's depressed and acting out four months for that, yeah. That's crazy. - Yeah.

- On Craig's death certificate, his cause of death was listed as Bronco pneumonia. Since Chelmsford was a reputable hospital and nobody likes extra work, his case was not referred to a coroner.

I'd say we don't know what killed Craig,

but after his death, Dr. Bailey had the hospital sin Craig's parents, a bill. That's one of the things is he is billing people as I noted the top often more than their annual income. And when he kills a patient, he still bills them.

So you're like wife or son dies and then you get a bill for more money than you're worth. - Oh, sure, I mean, that's insurance now. - Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. In this case, Dr. Bailey sent his parents a bill

for more than 1100 pills, mostly sedatives. They give this kid 1100 pill doses of different sedatives. God knows what's puttin' into with IVs, right? - Oh my god, what's up? - I'm gonna guess that adds something to do

with the cause of death. I think a lot of people will die if you give them 1100 doses of fucking binsos in four months at age 14 while electrocuting them every night.

- I was gonna say they charged for the therapy, too. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, they're charging for all of it, baby. Now, the stories of Chelmsford patients are uniformly bleak and horrifying. Jim Lawler went to his general physician suffering

from pain behind his eyes when he was referred to Chelmsford. I don't know precisely what year this happened, but he gave an interview to a local TV station in 1985, which I found as a transcript on the Chelmsford blog. Quote, Lawler, when I came home from the hospital,

my son said to his mother, "Mom, what's happened with this operation?" He said something went wrong with this. Dad is not the father that I used to know, and that's from a kid who is deaf.

“Interviewer, is it possible to explain how you feel?”

Lawler, resentful and bitter, because what's done to be done to me shouldn't be done to a dog. It's because he had a thing to do. This guy's talking about like, he comes home.

His son is deaf. So he's not hearing his father's was purely by the way, his dad looks in his physical language. The instant he sees him. This kid is like, this isn't the dad I know.

This isn't my dad, something's wrong. Well, that's one of the things that-- When someone is affected like this, you think, okay, there's this, 25 victims, but it's not, it's whole families.

It's whole generations, it's whole lines. I'm, you know, that kid felt the repercussions. Like, it's, it's so evil. It ripples. Yeah.

This is actually a more depressing parent story in the archives of Chelmsford cases. If you can believe it, and I know we all love it a depressing parent story. Go on.

One of Dr. Bailey's victims testified before an eventual royal commission over what had happened and said this. I went in for help with postnatal depression. Dr. Bailey told me I just needed some rest.

I signed something, but I was already drowsy from pills that given me. Next thing I knew, I woke up three weeks later unable to remember my children's names. Wow.

Oh my God. Yeah, it's fucking, like, that's, it's fucking theory. This kind of door is kids names. Yeah, that's horrific. How can you, and this is where I get to the point

that like, okay, yeah, there's got to be a lot of complicity

for postnatal depression and come out of a fucking

multi-week coma unable to remember her kids' names and be like, we're helping people. How do you do that? Okay, I think there's like, and this comes down to the asylum of it all.

I think there's this deep mistrust, even now, but probably even, you know, more back then of anyone doing anything remotely differently. Like, I see so many people that get so freaked out by, let's say, like, a homeless person,

because they move their arm weird. And I'm like, relax. Like, I think there's like a deep, unless you're moving the exact way, or for your face is the exact way, or your temperament

is the exact way that, like, it's, you know, conformed, you know, societally conformed, then people are deeply off-put by you.

“And so that's why they're like, oh, this person,”

you know, is feeling a little sad or is kind of like,

exposing that probably you have some sadness after giving birth, get them out of my eyesight. - Get them out of my eyesight, drug them. - Yeah. - So that the nurses might feel like so crazy.

- You know what, she'll recover, and at least now, she's not being weird. - Right, and I think that's a really good point. And I think, in order, like, also on the case of how people would have thought this was working,

a lot of his patients are people who are being, like, referred from other, like, from asylum and stuff. There's schizophrenia, they're having, like, you know, psychotic breaks, so they're like loud, and like you said, they're moving weird.

And then after a three week coma, they're really sedated in quiet and calm when they leave the hospital. And so maybe the nurses are like, oh, they're better, right?

That is the problem's return, and they have new ones now,

'cause of what's happened to them, but yeah, exactly. - Exactly.

“- I think that's, that's probably accurate.”

So Craig was, as far as I found the only child to die in Chelmsford, but children were often admitted the youngest of Dr. Bailey's patients for Deep Sleep Therapy was 10 years old. - No.

- Yeah, it is not great. That said, death is not uncommon for patients at Chelmsford, particularly if they're patients of Dr. Bailey. I found on essay on the website waking.io, which is a company that offers sleep treatment services,

and they host a pretty good article about everything that happened at Chelmsford. I think it's on their site as like a reminder of what can go because they're offering like sleep treatment. It's like a reminder of like, this is what goes wrong

if you don't have rigid standards of medical ethics, right? - That's really good of them to have. - Yeah, yeah, and it's pretty good article. It provides statistics on Chelmsford patients. Quote, "Death rates at Chelmsford

were staggering compared to standard psychiatric care. While typical psychiatric units in the 1970s had mortality rates below 0.5%. Bailey's deep sleep therapy patients faced a death rate exceeding 3.5%.

“Seven times higher than comparable facilities.”

One particularly tragic case involved a 24-year-old teacher who entered Chelmsford for work related stress and died of pneumonia after 28 days in a barbituit coma, leaving behind two young children. - What is this pneumonia? What's going on?

- Well, if you keep people in a coma with their central nervous system depressed for weeks on end in a hospital where like maybe there's other sick people, they'll get sick, maybe. Or they lied about the cause of death

because they fake death, maybe it was just the barbiture with Chelmsford and they fake and said it was pneumonia. - Right. - They can get a little hurt.

- They do that a lot. - The question, I did think that I was being a bit of a how do you do that. Okay, they were lying as it turns out. - I don't know that they were, but they lie a lot.

It's also not unrealistic that a patient in these circumstances would contract pneumonia. That's still the hospitals fault. 'Cause you know what you don't do is put someone in a 28 day, long coma because they're stressed out at work.

- I know. - That's not, you solve that problem. - Some of this stuff is interesting. Some of this stuff with mental health, like I added a great psychiatrist to would say,

I feel like I'm so anxious, I'm so upset, blah blah blah, about like you know what's going on in the world and she would be like, I feel like if you were at this high level and everything was like regular in the world,

I would be worried. But your response is accurate to what's going on, but I feel like, for example, like a school teacher, she's like, oh my god, I feel a little stressed about being a school teacher and nobody's like,

yeah, that seems right. Everyone's like, you got to get rid of that. - Yeah, it's so fucking hard for me to believe. And I wanna what he told this teacher. I wonder if she knew it was supposed to be 28 days

because people report being put under longer than they agreed to, like Bailey lies a lot to that. So I don't actually know what this person thought they were even getting into. - That's right.

- Oh, it's fucked, yeah.

- They have no idea and then they're there for weeks.

- Yes, weeks, we'll talk more about that in a bit. So if you remember from episode one, Harry Bailey didn't just work out of Chelmsford. He owns part of it and he makes money both from getting consultation fees

and from getting a cut from the profits of each patient. This offers some explanation. It's the way he may have done stuff,

“like put plates and people's heads without their consent, right?”

There's a possibility that Bailey wasn't even doing all of the torturous stuff he does to people to experiment. And he doesn't do stuff like put people up for 28 days because he even-- - He's just a great mom.

- She didn't want things they need that much time. He just wants money, right? - Yeah, he's like, he's like, got it. - Maybe he may just be randomly inflicting medical violence on people for profit.

It may even be something where he-- like, I don't know, right, entirely. Some of his behavior makes me think that may have been part of what was going on. It's really something he does sometimes.

In 1970, upset by the number of corpses that he had received from Chelmsford and their general condition, the local coroner filed a report with the health department.

So the coroner's like, these people are sending me a lot of bodies and the bodies they're sending me do not look good. I am a coroner. I am used to dealing with dead people from hospitals.

- Yeah, yeah, yeah. - This is not normal. - It's a real coroner. - Well, he tried to be, he tried to be. I haven't found much more to tell what happened to his report to the health department

other than that, the investigation was blocked. And it's here I should point out, Chelmsford was a big business. It made a lot of money, and that money goes into the local community. As one whistleblower nurse later testified,

we knew patients were dying unnecessarily. When I tried to document the problems, I was threatened with termination. The head nurse told me Bailey brought in too much money for the hospital to risk losing him.

I've lived with guilt for 20 years about the patients I couldn't save. - Holy shit. - And that explains why the hospital lets him get away with this that he kind of partowns.

“But it's also, that explains why I think”

local elected leaders and local regulators, like the officials don't want to fuck with this 'cause there's a lot of money here, right? Maybe they're getting right. I don't know if they're getting bribe

or if it's just that there's a lot of money in the community needs it or whatever. I don't entirely know. But he should be getting in trouble more often than he does. So that nurse was at least a partial whistleblower,

maybe a little too late for it to matter, but did something not all of his nurses felt this way. In fact, for most of the hospital's time in operation, Dr. Bailey seems to have been very popular with his staff who often left to defend him.

He took care of them in return as this article for the Canberra Times makes clear. His compulsive spending included buying jewelry and gifts from expensive shops for his wife and his staff.

He bought the latest technology for his rooms, as well as Jaden Persian carpets. Another example of his extravagant lifestyle was his regular attendance at Sidney's most exclusive restaurant. So he is spreading the money around, right?

And the cities like that.

“The cities like that, the staff likes that.”

You know, to quote Fallout New Vegas, everybody likes that. You know, what else everybody likes? Is it called services? That's right, baby.

Everyone loves a good product, solid service. Maybe there's even an ad for mental hospital that will knock you unconscious for 28 days. - For 28 days. - Jesus Christ.

Even after doing all this research, I kind of am like, "Oh, yeah, that might fix my work stress." I don't know, I mean, 28 days of sleep. - That's good. - That's good. - I'm not unconvinced.

- Yeah, sounds alright. Can I just have 28 days of binsos? Can I just be barred out for a month? - Would that be okay? - No, not be okay.

- Not a trans drug economy. We don't know where it is, don't worry. - Don't fuck around with binsos, people. I try to make even jokes about drugs anymore

'cause you never know what people are gonna take seriously.

Don't fuck with binsos. Folks, it's really easy to kill yourself if you're stupid. - You can prescribe them, you know, whatever. They're great. They work, but they're also in a rack with a bunch of shit.

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“- So I think one of the most horrifying things”

about all of this to me is that at no point to Dr. Bailey actually have a meaningful scientific theory for why this was supposed to work. Like when I started digging into this story

and first read about DST in the first place,

I was like, oh, you know, from a layman's standpoint, again, like we've said, I can see what you'd think this would work, right? And when I started reading about this, I was like, oh, so they thought it was kind of like

when a computer fucks up. The first thing you do is turn it off and turn it on again, right? And that was like my layman's explanation for how they assumed that they thought this work, but my figured, well, Dr. Bailey's a doctor.

He's gonna have a more substantial reason for why he thought this was a good idea. - And he does it wrong. I was wrong. - Here's Robert, he said he loves the scientific method.

- He's a super into scientific method. Let's talk about the scientific method here. I want to read to you how the Sydney Morning Herald says Dr. Haley explained the why deep sleep therapy works. And he's explaining why his version of deep sleep therapy,

which now by default includes electroconvulsive therapy. So this is explanation for what it does. - Okay. - Bailey likened the treatment to switching off a television. His self-developed theory was that the brain

by shutting down for an extended period would unlearn habits that led to depression, addiction, and other psychiatric conditions. - It is what you thought. It's exactly what you thought.

- What? I was joking. You really think it's just like, "Hey, be tried, turn it off and on again." - That exact thing he's saying.

I guess. - Exactly. - You sense doing heroin? If you try to turn them off and on? - I guess-- - Oh, I get the consequences. - Your dad just gets a friend?

If you try to turn it off and on, it's sorry. - I was just saying, I get the consequences because sometimes I'm like, you know, maybe I just need to like, you know, use the right kind of phone charger on my body.

- Right. - Right. - Right. - I don't know. - We back to full sleep. - Yeah. - And obviously, part of why this is compelling and why people will leave this is,

this is a little house sleep work. It doesn't run learn traumatic stuff, like addiction and share of a problem, right? - It is quite addiction. - But it does have in a little reset, good?

- Yeah. - Yeah. - It's also like, one of the problems with Benzos, 'cause they're great for certain things, like anxiety and stuff,

but if you're like taking a bunch of Benzos to deal with like trauma and stress,

necessarily. You're not like working.

There's why they're really hesitant to prescribe it

for PTSD today because of that reason.

“- Right. - So you have to be very careful”

when you're utilizing Benzos with patients who are dealing with like trauma and stuff. And if you're just keeping them barred out for 28 days, well they're not working through anything, they're not processing anything, they're gone.

- Yeah. (laughs) - Yeah, deal situation, at least as I understood it, was with Mania or for me or with anxiety, was to sort of bring you back down to a baseline, not bar you out, but bring you back down to a baseline

and then you can start to work from there. You're not supposed to like bar out so that you just don't even know about it. - Right. - It's supposed to be used to like aid and kind of like

soften and minimize problems while you're still doing other things to work on them. It's not meant to just knock you out of existence for weeks on end. That's not a healthy, no reputable doctor says,

that's what you should do with Benzos. And again, as we've kind of started to talk about, one of the things that really differentiates Dr. Bailey's approach from the other ways people approach deep sleep therapy in Europe

is that he is a vocal exponent of extremely long sleep therapy. For most patients, his normal prescription was a 10 to 14 day session, but as time went on, he tried to like, right, that's the norm.

But as time goes on, he's like, well, shit, let me do 14 days and I'm getting paid every day. Let's try three weeks. Let's try four weeks. The longest he keeps any one under is 39 days.

That is long enough. I mean, it way less than that is long enough. That patients are severely weakened after this. And the most weeks, if not months or years, a physical therapy to recover.

Yeah, but a 39 day coma is a calamity to your body. Yes, it's holy shit. And they're not even bicycling your legs for you. No, you don't give a fuck about that. That I've been moving your arms around.

Uh-huh. And to illustrate that point, I want to tell you, probably the best and most detailed account that we have from a patient, right? Okay.

And this comes from this I actually found in the post from the subreddit user. He's adjusted this. He's adjusted this. There's an autobiography of an Australian actress

who undergoes this treatment. So Tony Lament was an Australian singer, songwriter, dancer, comedian. She was like a triple or a bunch of things threat, right? She does it all.

Here's a picture of Tony. You can, you can see her on screen if you can. But if you can't, she's a lady. She looks nice. Yeah.

Now, I'm going to tell all our Aussie listeners off the bat. I have no god damned idea who this woman is. Other than, you know, I skimmed with a pedia. Is that really important? Her like stage career for our purposes.

“What you need to know is that in the mid 60s,”

she was a moderately famous young performer who was working nightly at a major stage show. And her husband Frank had just died, right? So she's, she's got this really high pressure job. She is performing, I think it's a pretty athletic,

like, lot of dancing performance every single night. It's an exhausting schedule. And she's just overwhelmed with grief because she lost her husband. She's a young widow.

Oh, man. So they give her a fucking ton of drugs. She doesn't need. (laughs) Sure do.

Tony was under a lot of stress and given the state of medicine at the time, her doctor prescribed her huge doses of sedatives, which again, likely, means she was already under barbituates. Quote, I had not allowed myself to stop and mourn,

but had thrown myself into work at a financial necessity.

She writes in her autobiography, first half.

Seeking comfort, she winds up reading a book about an American widow, which convinces her that she's made of a stake

“by dulling her mind to the pain of her husband's death with pills, right?”

And this inspires her to start exploring mental health care options. So so far, a great story about the positive ways books can impact our lives, right? (laughs) This woman's in a rut.

She reads a book about another person who dealt with a similar thing and she's like, I'm gonna start taking some real steps to make, get myself better, you know? - Okay. - Great, we're so hard to do, it's so hard, Tony.

To get to that point with a problem like this. Unfortunately, when she starts talking about, telling her friends that she's exploring mental health care options, one of them advises her, "Hey, I know about this famous award-winning local doctor

who has a private hospital." - Yeah, but that's so, that's barbituates again. - Yeah, I'm just wondering what she was doing. - I'll tell you how it's phrased to her 'cause it's important to know how this is sold to her.

So here's her autobiography. She, and that's her friend, recommended I talk about my problems to Dr. Harry Bailey and imminent psychiatrist.

So she's first told I should talk to this guy about...

- Okay, okay, okay, okay. - I made an appointment with him, during which I began to articulate what was troubling me. After a one-hour session, he suggested I take a specialized treatment

my being put to sleep under medical supervisions for a few days, so that when I awoke, all your troubles will be gone. In my befuddled state, it sounded pretty good to me. No more problems, lead me to it, right? She's already not doing well. She's not sleeping well.

She's exhausted from work, burnt out, and grieving, and he's like, "I got to put you down for a few days and then it'd be better." And she's like, "Maybe." Right? - She's going to take time off her job. Great question. So next, she writes,

"Doctor Bailey arranged for me to have a week off from the show. How nice of him? We'll come back to that in a minute." She is admitted to his hospital that Friday, within days of coming to him. Tony recalls entering the hospital

and feeling excited that she was now taking her healing seriously, and was on the road to having a new life. She was put up in a semi-private room, and along the way, she saw several beds lining the corridors filled with sleeping people. "Although it was mid-morning, the stillness was eerie

for a hospital that looked to be full to overflowing. I was given a handful of pills to take,

“and the next thing I remember was Dr. Bailey standing”

by the bed asking me how I felt. I told him I'd had a good night's sleep. He laughed and informed me it was 10 days later. And what's more, he had taken some weight off me. He sure had nearly seven kilos.

I didn't mind that as I have always had trouble with my weight,

but that much in 10 days. I was checked out of the hospital, and this time noticed the other patients were still a sleep or being taken to the restroom while out on their feet. And that's fucked up.

A lot of it. The fact that... I was thinking that it's going to start being about weight loss. Yeah, well, she's been when she talks about it, but he must have been pitching this to others. He must have been selling this to others.

What this actually means is that they weren't taking adequate care of you while you were down. As she notes, you can never be losing that much weight. And that's so much weight, that's a short time. Yeah, this means they were not taking care of you. Is she fired?

Great question. So really focused on the right stuff. I know, I know. She's immediately shocked at someone.

“It's also interesting to me that like mid-conversation basically,”

they take these pills and she's just out. And that's how the treatment starts. So her day job, as we noted, required her to dance. But after 10 days motionless and bed, she can barely move. So she can't get right back to dancing.

But even if she had been fit enough to do so, it turns out Dr. Bailey lied to her about having work things out with her employer. No, Tony comes up. Yeah, he just straight up bullshatter. And Tony gets fired while she's under and asleep and replaced.

Wow, that's my biggest problem. I've real bullsh*t my mind. I was like, what's she fired? Did she really hopped? She missed work. Yeah. She missed work.

Yeah. Um, now that said she does right, I wasn't too upset. I was having difficulty remembering the simplest things, like on which side of the envelope to put a stamp.

So basically, she's saying like, I wasn't even able to identify her.

My brain wasn't working at all. I was not. I was in such a fog. I couldn't function. Wow, green fog is so scary. It's so scary. Yeah, yeah, especially when you shouldn't have it 'cause it only exists because some guy

thought they forced that you bar bit you with while starving you. Um, yeah. So the sleep therapy itself did nothing for Tony. Once she, like, she obviously after this, she has to spend weeks pulling herself back together, getting her brain and her body all working again. And she does get work again.

She gets back into the industry. She's back to performing. But she still can't sleep. And so she has to go back on the sedatives that she'd been on. And she also starts taking valium for good measure.

So his therapy does nothing. Her problems are the same as they were. She even writes, my problems were still there. I just didn't remember them. Like, this doesn't help her, right?

It's only back now. Oh, my God. Tony is kind of one of the lucky ones because this like sucks. But after a few weeks, she's back, you know, back better than ever. Yeah, her career doesn't right.

Her career doesn't take a long term hit.

“And this is probably the most common type of doctor Bayley experience, right?”

A patient gets treated. They come back to their life. And they have a lot of proud. They've got to, you know, recover physically and stuff and mentally from it. But they get better, more or less.

Their problems don't really go away. And maybe they continue to suffer some physical consequences. But overall, their life continues. And they just move on with things, right? And Tony does.

She never doesn't sue the doctor.

She goes on. She has an 80 year career. She only died last year, 2025 at the age of 93. So her life seems to have gone well after this point. And I'm happy for her.

Yeah. Can't say that for a lot of these people. And again, even though her story works at OK, she still suffers terribly for no reason.

And she's more, there are more than 1,000 people with versions of that story.

Is there best case scenario?

“For a lot of these people, the day they walked into Dr. Bailey's office,”

was the worst mistake they ever made. But for him, it was Tuesday, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, there's a quote from Dr. Philip Hickey's article about Dr. Bailey's ongoing correspondence with that guy from the UK, Dr. Sargent, that puts a lot of Bailey's attitude in contact to me.

They, in Sargent, remained in close contact and reportedly even vied with one another to see which could keep a patient in the deepest coma. So that's part of why these are so long. Is he's fighting with the guy I bet I can do 49 days, you know, or 30, you know, whatever. Well, the fuck, this is not fucking John Tucker must die.

What are we doing here? What are we doing here? Why are men this way? Why are men? I can't believe I abandoned everything to join you all in this fucking bullshit. Yeah, oh, man, if you'd ask me, I wouldn't recommend it. Yeah, men, I don't know.

“I think we need to create men to point out, um, which is like, I love it.”

Maybe we have like a governor chip or something that shuts down when you get, when you get two into certain things. Yeah, I like it. I like it. Yeah, if you hit a punish or tattoo on your body, it's just, you know, you're out, you're out, you're done. That's it. That would be honest, don't like the, don't like the phrase men to point out. Made me, made me crazy. Didn't love it. You're right. We should go if we just start with men three point out.

We'll have to point out. Oh, great. Fine. Um, so far, far too many Chelmsford patients did not survive their time with Dr. Bailey. I can't tell you how many exactly every article, if ever you like, reputable articles, it's a little different. Okay, because more research comes out, right? Most articles, you'll find say that from 1963 to 1975, nine, 24 people died as a direct result of Dr. Bailey's deep sleep therapy.

Like they died in the hospital, wow, undergoing the therapy. And then eight, uh, 19 further DST patients committed suicide within a year of undergoing therapy. I was gonna, yeah. Oh my god, 1979. Yeah, 79 is when the cell starts. Yeah. Um, and depending on who you count, also the direct death toll could be as high as 27. I found at least one higher number, but it seems to be somewhere between 24 and 27, depending on how you count it, people die directly as a result of just

his therapy. Um, yeah. How many patients has they seen in total, do we know? Yes, kind of. I'll tell you. By the mid-1970s, enough people had been permanently injured or killed. Uh, and there had been enough complaints and investigations into what Dr. Bailey was doing. That resistance had started to build to Dr. Bailey's methods. Other Australian psychiatrists began speaking out, slowly at first, against deep sleep therapy. But what would really change things was the case of Barry Francis Hart.

In February of 1973, he entered the Chumsford Clinic. He'd been an actor and a model until a botched cosmetic surgery caused him like lifelong injury. This leads to depression. You know, it's a bummer. So he seeks professional help for the depression. Uners came up to him while he was still sitting in the waiting area. So he hasn't even the way he says it Hart says he goes to Chumsford, because he wants to talk about getting help for his depression. And a nurse walks up to

him while he is in the waiting area and gives me a glass of water and a pill to quote, no, down.

He takes the pill having never agreed to treatment and wakes up naked in a hospital room two weeks later.

No, like this holy shit. This holy shit. In terms of breaches of medical ethics, that's about it. The breaching is to you get. He was like, this botched plastic surgery is going to be the worst medical experience of my. Yeah. Let me take. Yep. Oh my god. Uh oh. So he recalls quote, "When I got out, I was jumping at noises and couldn't concentrate. I had brain damage and post-traumatic stress disorder." Yeah. Now, Dr. Bailey's not a physician. Dr. Heron is, but Dr. Heron is basically Bailey's like

fucking, uh, plot like, a minty, right? And it works that you write. And he's doing the same treatment. So Hart after he realizes what's happened to him and gets out of the hospital, Sue's Dr. Heron. And it tends to have him charged with kidnapping and assault. Unfortunately. Yeah, which he did should have happened. However, his records are modified by the hospital. And the

“record say he can send it to the procedure. So it's a he said he said, he said, sir to deal, right?”

Now, ultimately the the the hospital settles with him. So they're worried enough that they they give him

he doesn't get a lot of what he wants. But his case starts to attract attention. The news covers it, right? I was not saying anything news about to get a hold of this. Thank God.

Yeah, this is not the first time, but it's the first time it does in a big way. And it's the first time

“that like people kind of stay interested and start thinking like, what's going on in that hospital, right?”

So after this point, after Hart's suit, other patients who have maybe been suffering silently but being like, well, what can I do, right? Or maybe it's my fault it didn't work, right? Now they have someone who's like, oh, maybe I was mistreated by my doctor. Yes. Yeah. And also there are patients who who probably had complained, but as we stated before, the complaints went nowhere, the regulators ignored them. And those patients now realize maybe

the wall of immunity that's been protecting this guy is starting to fail. So maybe I can try to complain again and it'll get somewhere. Law suits begin piling up against the hospital and against Dr. Bayley after this point. Okay, Bayley. That's good. That's good. Now a little bit ago, I gave you some numbers, 24 to 27 dead as a result of his deep sleep therapy and 19

“suicides within a year of receiving the therapy. Those are not the only numbers that I found.”

Although the the next set of numbers I'm going to give you is questionable for some reasons I'll explain. Okay. Well, I'm about to read you a quote from a Reuters article I've read from a

couple of times before. It was written by a journalist named Michael Perry in 1990. Here's what he wrote,

quote, in all 183 deep sleep patients died, either in hospital or within a year of returning to the outside world, while 977 were diagnosed as brain damaged. They article claims that Dr. Bayley treated more than 3,000 patients with DST. Now, who? Those are bad numbers, right? The original ones were not good, but those numbers are also different from the other numbers that I have found in Reputable Reuters is obviously a generally reputable source, so is the Sydney Morning Harald.

And the Sydney Morning Harald says that Dr. Bayley only treated 1127 people with deep sleep therapy. Okay. And I found that number in several publications, I suspect it's correct. However, it's possible that Michael Perry just kind of miswrote, and maybe he was giving the number for the total number of patients at Chelmsford that other doctors and Dr. Bayley treated with DST. Maybe he just kind of fucked that up. I don't know. I don't know. I have the way that's possible to me. Reuters is

normally pretty reputable. And one of the things that does worry me about the other numbers he gave is I haven't found 183 patients died in the hospital or within a year of getting out of the hospital, well 977 are brain damaged. I have not found those numbers anywhere else, which makes me concerned

for a reason, right? So I looked in to first the journalist and Michael Perry seems to be a veteran

reporter. He still wrote for Reuters is recently as a year ago. I've no reason to suspect him of

“malpractice. But his article is old. It's from 1990. So maybe that's why the numbers are different.”

Maybe it's kind of outdated. But again, I didn't run into him anywhere. And it's rare for numbers like this to be high and then massively reduced lower. One of his major sources for this article. And one of the reasons that I kind of question aspects of it is that he bases a good amount of it on a nurse that he describes as a whistleblower. And she was, her name is Rosa Nicholson. Here's how Perry describes her story. After a friend died following deep sleep treatment,

she spent 18 months trying to get a job at Chelmsford. In mid 1977, an advertisement and a Sydney newspaper gave her a chance. For the next two years, she smuggled hospital and patient records out of Chelmsford photocopied and returned them. Very cool. Right? That's great. This is all true. You're about to get, you're feeling happy and you shouldn't be. This is behind the bastards. Good things don't happen here. So, of course. On paper, it's pretty cool that Rosa's undercover, you know,

for years feeding information about Bailey's operation. But that brings me to the question, to whom is she feeding the information? You would hope he's committed. She's sending it to a journalist. No. No. No. So, she has helpers who are helping to fund and her, her question, who are taking the information that she gathers. And those helpers are the church of Scientology. Because they hate psychiatry. Because they hate psychiatry. That's right, baby.

Surprise. Second villain. The church is Scientology with a steel chair. Oh my god. I love it. I love it. Oh, yeah. And so, I wonder what the parents are doing to help. Great question. Part of why, so I do wonder is maybe Perry's number is high because he Scientologists gave them to him. But, uh, part of the Sydney Morning Herald, quote,

Rosa Nicholson, to uncover evidence by stealing files and secretly recording Bailey in the late 1970s.

And Rosa did find some pretty damning stuff. She much later testified at the royal and quite inquiry over all this. Quote, Nicholson told the commission deep sleep patients frequently suffered internal bleeding and severe infections. They were given electric shock therapy every

“day except Sunday. And I think that's pretty much true. Unfortunately, at the actual time that”

she was in place trying to stop Dr. Bailey, the fact that she was feeding all of this info to Scientologists meant that her work had the opposite of the intended effect. As you mentioned, Gabe, the church Scientology is a huge grudge with a whole field of psychiatry. And this goes

back to the days of El Ron Hubbard. Because Scientology starts as dionetics, which Hubbard

build as a replacement science for psychiatry, right? And as a result, he taught that because psychiatrists don't embrace dionetics, he teaches his followers that psychiatry is a murderous cabal that tortures and kills people from money and power. Unfortunately, it just so happens, that does kind of describe the psychiatrists that Chelmsford, Logan. Oh no, bro, he's right. Yeah, these guys are as evil as the church of Scientology, things also like I am just sorry. Now, it just so happens

that Dr. Bailey and his colleagues at Chelmsford were that bad. But the way the Scientologists go about trying to release the information that's gathered for them backfires. And it actually

damages the cases of former patients who were trying to get the clinic shut down, like part.

Scientology planned to not go well and ended up damaging money. Oh, could have thought of that. Wow, I'm shocked when you hear this information. Yeah. Oh, no. For the Sydney Morning Herald, the Scientologists' involvement enabled Chelmsford to smear the whistleblowers and patients. Heart would be accused of being a Scientologist himself, which still raises a rare laugh. Ha ha, yes, I had a botched plastic surgery and nearly

got myself killed. Also, like it'd be an agent of the Scientologists. Well, nowadays, I'm like, maybe, maybe. Yeah, maybe. Yeah, it was just a crazy shit. So this elaborate scheme also was not necessary to cause Dr. Bailey's downfall. The same year, heart sued the hospital, a group of his colleagues filed a former complaint with Australia's equivalent of the AMA, like their medical association against Dr. Bailey's custom deep sleep therapy method.

The lawsuit or the complaint was dismissed, but two years later, as lawsuits against Dr. Bailey ballooned, his insurance company reported the hospital to a different regular government regulator and be like, hey, a lot of people are dying at this hospital. Oh, my God. How many people have to tell you that? Yeah, you're the government. Maybe you do something about it. Again, when the, when an insurance company is kind of a good guy on the story, you know things are bad.

Oh, holy shit. So fuck all is done in this case, too. The regulators ignore the warning. It must have seemed to a lot of people to the paper, former patients of Dr. Bailey that we're still dealing even in the late 70s with the same old Teflon Harry. But he wasn't. Dr. Bailey is beginning to fray under the constant brush of lawsuits and bad press, and he starts to lose his mind. Some of this may have been caused. Well, well, yeah.

“It isn't the consequence of my own actions. I should also say, I think some of his”

arrangement is that for like decade, like 20 years now, he's rich. He's been rich and his day job has given an absolute power over hundreds of people's bodies. And I think that just makes you crazy. In a bad way. Yeah. God God. That destroys your minds. You know, um, as the years went on, his staff goes from adoring him to frightened of him. Perroy, quote, former nurse Leslie Hosey told the commission, Bailey once told staff, don't call me Harry, call me God. See, what did I say?

What did I say right there? Yeah. I thought God, he is mad. She said, when you work with psychiatrists for that long, you sort of get to know the crazy ones. He really did believe what he was doing was helping people. It was said, which is a really funny thing. He really thought he was helping people. It was sad. It was sad. I don't know. Maybe. I think also when you have all that going for you for so long, and then you start to lose that like adoration, that's also you go crazy.

“Yeah. Yep. I think you're probably right on the money with that, too. And there's further”

support for the Mad King Harry thesis. In 1991, the British Medical Journal published an article that claimed Dr. Bailey showed signs of delusional behaviors such as referring to himself as a

fuck that means. That's what we're a day for me to be wearing an alien sweater. Oh, because they don't

write about it. Like it was a bit. Scientology. Scientology by and said, "Hello." Convince it was an alien. So there's a lot. I got a lot that's awful about this guy. But one of the worst things is that, perhaps not surprisingly, he was a sex pest and he regularly had sex with his patients. No, he knew it. We knew it. I said, I had sex, not raped. I don't know that that's entirely true, because given that he's the sleep doctor, the fact that he

fucks his patients immediately brings to my to pretty awful question, were all those patients awake? And I don't know. Yes, it's a bill volume. And also he's their psychiatrists. So it's already.

Right. He shouldn't be doing that. He's already bad. Yeah, if they're awake, it's still bad.

The British medical journal just notes that he had sex with his patients on multiple occasions that Reuters piece had adds a little more to tale. Staff said Bailey had sex with his female patients, often ordering them sent by taxi to his office or home late at night. I really hope those are conscious people being sent by taxi. Oh, no. Even if that tale bad, it is still real bad. Yeah, we Australian Encyclopedia of biography adds Bailey reveled in the trappings of

professional power and exploited the vulnerabilities of those in his care, having sexual relationships with a number of female patients and some employees. Now, the same source claims his wife showed pretty intense loyalty to him for years. And I don't know when that stopped. She's described by one article as a strange prior to his death, along with their two adopted daughters. Probably for the best there. I don't know how if his wife was aware of any of the really

bad stuff or if she just knew that he was not well, right? And was cheating on her constantly. I don't, there's not any particular reason for me to believe that his family knew anything about like the horrible medical crimes he's committing, right? And also, it's like the 70s.

“There's not a lot of ways his family would have been able to know what was really going, right?”

The wall start closing in on Dr. Bailey in 1977. It starts with the suicide of his patient and lover, a prominent dancer named Sharon Hamilton. She left her entire estate to Dr. Bailey, which fueled public speculation that he may have somehow caused her death. That right, maybe he even murdered her, right? There's a lot of news articles about this. And that fucks Bailey up. First of all, the fact that people are talking about it like he killed this woman,

because he seems to have been in love with her. Bailey is so distraught after her death, that he undergoes DST for the first time himself. He puts himself under for days to try to deal with like his feelings in the wake of this. And there are so many twists and turns in the fucking story. It's fucking wild, right? He's drinking his own cool. He seems to have increasingly started taking his own medications after this point. So everything that happens next in the story,

“you have to imagine this guy is on a shitload of X, or whatever the equivalent was.”

Do not get high in your own supply. Yeah, man. Never a good idea. So during my research,

I came across an interesting source. Truth about ECT, that's electroconvulsive therapy.org, which is based its name. And I didn't number one that name, not a trustworthy new source to me. Number two, the website looks like a real shitty blog, not a great. And you know, I've quoted from the Chelmsford blog, which is a blog that was like meant because written by people, I think by people who are angry that this is not better known. And I used it as a source because

it cites its sources extensively. And after look at those sources, I was able to show that it's a good essay. Everything that says is accurate. So I'm not inclined to trust the website necessarily, but I wanted to look into it. So I like read the article to see if it seemed, you know, reasonable what it was saying. And it hosted a 2020 piece by an author named Jan Eastgate. And that name was familiar to me. Because Jan Eastgate is one of the two Scientologists who

worked with Nurse Rose and Nicholson. She is now president of CCHR International. This is

“the Citizens Commission on Human Rights, a lobbying organization for the Church of Scientology, right?”

What Mike's God? Yeah. They love to have everything everywhere, all at one. They love to use that dot org website for fake new sites. It's one of their major. Yeah, it's one of their go to. Yeah, they love doing that shit. Yeah. But that said, it's still kind of worthwhile to talk about this source because Jan Eastgate is directly involved in this. She's working with Rose as she's undercover. So that's an interesting source. Yeah. The source, yeah. Yeah. So the article from 2020

makes this claim. I remember there were allegations that Dr. Bailey shot up a residence over the

suicide death of one of his patients, Sharon Hamilton, with whom he'd had a sexual affair and a electro shocktor when she became vocal about it. I don't know if this is true. I have not come across other claims of this. I wouldn't ask all of that. I wouldn't put it past him. Yeah. Yeah. Right. But he was upset about it. Yeah. And he didn't give me like it's giving um

“what you must call out of his names. Yeah. Dahmer. It's giving Dahmer, right? If she's like”

going to try to talk or she's like love sir, quote unquote, it's going to try to like leave. He's like, oh, make her a zombie and then she'll stay with me forever. Oops, she's dead. Yeah. Hard to say. I haven't found like I can't prove any of that, obviously. And I haven't found. I don't believe the shooting thing just because like I probably would have made the news. All right. I'm on a made the news. I don't know. It was easier to get guns and I'll struggle

you back then. It's probably a pretty good art there. But yeah. The psychiatric museum of death, that's in LA. What if it's like, it has all of this information in it? Yeah. Oh, I'm certain. Because they they make a big deal about this. Yeah. That they'll use a much bigger numbers. Reuters had which like again, he did he's bad enough without exaggerating the numbers. Well, and wow, and isn't that how he would just want it? He would want the numbers to look even more.

“Honestly, he loves kind of an honor to him. Right? Yeah. Yep. Yep. Um, so yeah, in 1980,”

60 minutes ran an episode on the death of one of Dr. Bailey's patients, Miriam Potio, who had passed in 1977. This had it fueled the simmering fire that had been building for quite some time. Per the Australian Encyclopedia of Biography, five years later, a coronial inquest into her death was held, and in 1983, Bailey was charged with manslaughter. Although the charge was dismissed in 1985, the media siege was intense. Sick, tired, spirited after facing years of litigation. On 8th

September 1985, he drove to Mount White and parked on an isolated track. The next day, police found him dead. The cause of death being attempted barbituate poisoning. He was survived by his estranged wife and two adopted daughters. Do you can't make this get up? No, he kills himself using a dose of the same medicine he gave his patients. Yeah, so people who include him in the death toll of DST. If this was a movie, you would be like, that's too much. Yeah, that's, that's too much.

Wow. And he had so fucked up. He has like a, he has a suicide note, right, that he, that he leaves

“in the car with him. Yeah. Here's his suicide note. Always remember that the forces of evil are”

greater than the forces of good. I always try to be a good doctor, and I think perhaps I was. At the

end of his note, he adds all of his degrees and qualifications. There's been there. He blames the church of Scientology for everything with like, yeah, I mean, they're not helping anything, but that's isn't their fault, man. They didn't start this. You did this. Did Scientology kill him? No, no, no, he kills himself. He uses the drugs that he has fucking done. He just blames Scientology for making for for ruining his reputation. I know what he really, I'm right, did they, but wait a minute.

Yeah. The fucking he writes his degrees. God. Yeah, crazy. I can't, this man is insane. I can't if I didn't know about this until right now. He's deeply unwell. Really wild. That is so crazy. Yeah. His death does help get wheels moving in the Australian government in 1998. They issue a proper royal commission to investigate deep sleep therapy. The commissioner ultimately concludes that all of the doctors involved with operating children's worth had likely contributed some amount of fraud

obstruction of justice negligence. Bailey, though, was the spoke of the whole operation. And the central figure without whom none of this would have happened. The New South Wales Parliament ultimately banned his treatment entirely and a blizzard of reforms followed governing how hospital's

function and the practitioners are allowed to do today. It's genuinely one of the most important

cases in the history of Australia's mental health care system. Like this does, yeah, and a lot of people argue it doesn't do enough. As always, the reforms are imperfect, but this does significantly alter the way in which mental health therapy works in Australia. Wow. Wow. It's good shit. It's good shit. I keep using, I keep saying that things are crazy and I know people don't like that. But wow, this is, this is like a perfect confluence of like ableism, misogyny, like it just like sexism,

ego, like it's just, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, yeah. And it's, it's even fucked up even at the end

how bad Bailey was in the clinic was, but then at the end is like also none of them get none of the

patients or victims get damages because like they waited too long to report anything. And all of these people pointed out like, but actually a bunch of us immediately reported stuff and were ignored and tried for years to report stuff and just kept being ignored. And he was like, yeah, but it's still your job, it's not the government's job. It's your job to make the government do stuff. So you actually didn't do work hard enough to try to make them stop this. So you're not,

“you don't get money. Sorry. Yeah, I believe that government's love is cool. I love government.”

I, there are so many victims just beyond what you can even mean. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. But they're

not, they, they should have worked harder to get the government to do something about this. I,

that is such a triggering word to me. Right. That's a triggering phrase to me right now. It's so fucked up. It's so fucked up. The, the level to which you like elect someone into office and then they go, you didn't do enough? No. Get away from it. Yeah. The fuck? Yep. All right. Well, this is run long. Thank you, Gabe, for, for coming in and sitting down and listening to these horrible stories. You want to plug anything here? No, just, just my podcast, best game ever. And my podcast,

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