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This is one of the most unique Betrayal stories we've ever heard, where the Betrayal centers around an animal. Many of us know how important pets are, because to many, they are family. For our storyteller, this is a betrayal of friendship

and chosen family. Might as it Emily McLeod.

“The biggest thing you have to understand about Emily”

is that she loves animals. So look into the eyes of an animal as to see their soul and to see beyond the fact that they're just a four-legged, furry being an animal's do feel, sadness, and hope, and joy, and happiness, and delight.

As far back as she can remember, animals have been part of her life. Emily grew up with her parents and older brother in northern Alberta, where the Canadian winters are long. As a kid, she'd roam around outside in the snow

and enamored with the wildlife.

I would always find injured animals

and bring them home and bottle feed the baby bunnies and the baby squirrels and the birds. Emily's parents kept a full house, with an ever expanding cast of furry, fathard, and four-legged animals.

We always had a dog growing up, and she was a springer spanial.

“My brother always had snakes and lizards and toads and frogs.”

Emily's parents taught her that each creature deserves special care and attention. And years later, she carried that lesson with her to Kansas City, where she studied to become a chiropractor.

Even my chiropractic career has had a trajectory toward caring for animals. I became certified in animal chiropractic. It's a unique career. There are only about 1,600 animal chiropractors

in the world, and Emily is one of them. She runs her own practice where she spends her days treating race horses, pigs with hip dysplasia, and cats with arthritis.

But there's one animal that will always have her heart.

I love big dogs, and I had a couple of laboratories. So she was excited when, in 2012, a local dog breeder reached out to her.

who had a lot of very hard questions for me.

“She had a dog that was called a Connie Corsodog,”

and she asked me if I knew what a Connie Corsod was, and I did not. The woman explained, Cone Corsos are special dogs. They're muscular Italian guard dogs with enormous heads, gentle and nature,

but of fierce looking exterior. And she very kindly called and wanted to make sure that I wouldn't have any troubles interacting with this dog. The voice on the other end of the line was Betsy Shock, a woman who raised showed dogs.

She had a young Connie Corsod that she was getting ready to show, and she wanted her to be in top shape. Emily assured her that she was up for the job, so Betsy Shock showed up at the clinic with her puppy. A super sweet, beautiful, Connie Corsodog, just stunning.

And Emily immediately connected with Betsy. She was just very easy to talk with. She was all about her dog. For Betsy Shock, this dog was more than a pet. Soon, she'd be traveling around the country with her,

competing in dog shows. So she brought her dog back to Emily's clinic regularly. Emily had tons of clients, but there was something about Betsy Shock. She was warm and unpretentious.

And I always saved extra time for their appointments

because I genuinely enjoyed visiting with Betsy. Emily fell in love with her Connie Corsod, too. I loved her so much.

“And I remember one day I was taking care of her,”

and I'd just maybe off-hand comment, "Man, if she ever had a litter of puppies, "I was a love one of her puppies." Over time, Emily got to know Betsy well. Whenever she came to the clinic, Betsy spoke passionately

about how well her dog was doing in the ring. She was very proud of her work, and it was just nice to learn from someone who was very confident in what they did. Betsy gave her insight into the strange world

of the American Kennel Club, a scene Emily knew very little about. Emily was surprised to learn that people don't usually win any money at dog shows. For Betsy, it was truly a passion project.

The idea behind a KC dog showing is preservation of breeds. And so the people that show their dogs that go to this great expense are generally very passionate about preserving historic breeds.

“Betsy was passionate about corso's in particular.”

Betsy's ultimate goal was to become an AKC judge. A person trusted to decide which dogs best represent a breed. If Betsy brought enough corso's that reached championship status, she could get there. But shows were a huge time investment,

and it often meant sending her beloved pup away with a handler for the weekend. She loved having her at home, hated when she was on the road, being away from her to show. One day, Emily decided to invite Betsy, her husband,

and their dogs over to her place. At the time, Emily's house was connected to 10 acres of wooded land. So a couple of times they even came out and brought their other dogs to let them run my acreage

where I had trails carved through. Just to let them run off leash. As the seasons changed, Emily and Betsy grew closer. It was an organic kind of friendship, the kind where you don't even notice it happening.

And then, in 2013, Emily met someone. My name is Dave Jennings. Dave is also a chiropractor, and as soon as they met, it was clear they had a connection. In two years, they were married.

For the rest of this episode, Dave's going to tell this story along with his wife. From the start, Dave embraced Emily's love for animals.

So I've always liked dogs and cats,

and then with Emily, well, definitely more than I would have ever thought. Animals in the house, for sure. Those are some of the real everyday sounds that Emily and Dave's place. A seven acre property they bought to build their new life together.

We walked out into the backyard, and we said, this is it. We're buying a dog park. And so we bought the house literally for our dogs. It became more than just a space for dogs.

Their family grew into a motley crew, comprised of cats, dogs, and several 100 pound rescue picks, including one who uses a wheelchair. Yes, you heard that correctly. So this is Maxwell.

He came with a spinal cord injury. He knows how to navigate his wheels to turn and go backwards. He's really fast. He's living his very best wheelchair pig life. Emily and Dave were in their early 40s when they met,

and having kids just wasn't in the cards for them, but that didn't stop them from building their own kind of family.

So we poor our love and college funds into the animals that we have

“to some people that are just dogs, but to us,”

their family members. Emily and Dave knew they lived an unusual lifestyle. Their self-proclaimed introverts whose ideal evening is spent playing fetch, not everyone could relate. But Emily's friend Betsy shocked it.

Betsy's life was all about her connecoresos. As soon as Dave entered the picture, they introduced him to Betsy's husband, Toby Shock. Toby was a retired bull rider, and Dave appreciated his wisdom and good humor.

I mean, boy, talk about great stories, and he is this gourmily voice that was just like an old Western. Well, gosh, I think he got Gordon the neck by a bull when he was a bull rider,

“and that's why he had a real gravelly voice.”

Yeah, he's like an old cowboy, you know, that was Toby. The four of them became fast friends. I think it's safe to say Betsy and Toby were introverts, just like Dave and I didn't really like a lot of people, but the people that we did like, we really liked. It was special to meet people on the same wavelength.

Dave and I don't like to go out. We're gonna home bodies, and they were too.

They started getting together more often, but never without their pets.

Our friendship really revolved around the dogs. They usually evolved us hanging out in their big backyard and the fictic table, just with dogs running around and just kind of shooting the breeze. Around this time, something exciting happened. The shocks prized Kane Corso gave birth to a litter of puppies.

“That's what Dave and I come over the day after,”

and let us enjoy what we call the puppy vortex. Dave and Emily spent long afternoons helping the shocks tend to the litter. Bottle feeder chain sheets are clean puppies or whatever they need to help with. It's just given them a little bit of a respite, because raising puppies, it's a big deal. The shocks were so grateful for the extra hands.

They offered us a puppy from the litter, as a gift, as a thank you for all that we had done. Toby shocks said he knew just the right puppy for Emily and Dave. He pointed to her in the litter. He had a way with animals. He could read the animals better than anybody. And he goes, "Fat dogs are going to be a great one."

You know, that's that gravelly voice he's got. Yeah. That's what he was saying. At the time, it was the most generous gift Emily and Dave had ever received. We saw how much they financially put in with the vet care and the food.

So we gave them an envelope filled with money. We said, "You're going to take this. We don't want you guys to be out money for a dog you're gifting us." But the shocks would just hand it back. A couple weeks later, I was getting ready to go on a mission trip to Africa,

and they gave almost all of that money back to me as a donation to the mission trip. Their friendship was like a gift passed back and forth over and over. And after a year spent in the puppy vortex, the shocks started to feel like family. But in 2017, Toby Shocks' health took a grave turn. He had deliver cancer. He had already battled cancer previously and gone into remission.

And as we all know, cancer when it comes back, it does come back with a bit of a vengeance. Suddenly, things that had been easy for Toby became harder. Toby was really sick and he was in and out of the hospital during those months. Betsy was stretched that working long hours to provide for her and Toby and pay for his medical expenses. She had to put dog showing on pause. They were in survival mode.

So Emily and Dave stepped up wherever they could. Just going over and stopping it and helping clean up the pen where the dogs are out. So he doesn't have to go out and do that. A little physical things. That morphed into Dave's running errands or taking him to appointment occasion. We, we would take

meals over. The shocks had been so giving. Emily and Dave never hesitated to return the favor.

When friends are in a time of need, you're just there to help. How you can. It was a trying time. But the couples still managed to share moments of joy. In the fall of 2017, the shocks Connie Corso was pregnant again. They invited Emily and Dave over to their house just before the birth of the new litter. Emily was sitting next to their dog when she went into labor. And Betsy said, "That's a puppy catch it." So I caught it.

Emily looked down at the squirming little creature. He was so precious and fit into the palm of her hand. And soon, that puppy had a name. And it was Oscar. Just like last time, Emily and Dave helped care for the litter. And they noticed, Oscar always needed

vocal. And sometimes we would just get the SOS text from Toby or Betsy saying, "Can you just

come pick him up and take him with you?" Emily and Dave felt a special connection to Oscar. Their bond was instant. And the shocks saw it too. October 1st, 2017. We met Toby and Betsy at Lake to swim the dogs. Just as they were about to head home, the shocks asked them something. They said, "Hey, we would like for you to consider taking Oscar and making him part of your family." Even at five months old, Betsy could tell Oscar would grow into a gorgeous dog.

But she said with her husband's sick, she didn't have time for another pet. She just had one ask. Betsy said, "If I get back into showing, I would like the opportunity to show him and get his

“champion because that's what helps me earn my metrics to be in a KC judge."”

Showdogs can't be neutered. So Betsy also wanted to make sure he was left intact.

This all sounded reasonable. Dave just wanted to clarify one thing. I asked Betsy, "I just want to make sure if we do this, he's my dog." And she goes, "Yes, he's yours." Emily and Dave were honored. The shocks would trust them with another one of their courses. They gave it some thought. We're not looking to add another dog, but like these are such good friends of ours. We want to help. We want Betsy to be able to get her AKC judge

goals met, especially with Toby Sick. We want her to have something to look forward to. They slept on it, and the next day, we said that we would add Oscar to our family.

“They picked him up right away. Emily and Dave had lots of other dogs in their life. But immediately,”

they could tell Oscar was special. He had gigantic, soulful eyes. He trailed Emily and Dave around the house and laid down at their heels. As a puppy, he was sweet. He's just the happiest dog. He loves people, and he loves the attention he gets, and he just wants to cause the up to you. As the weeks turned to months, Oscar grew, and grew, and grew. Until pretty soon, he was one of the largest dogs either of them had ever seen, weighing over 150 pounds.

And he just turned into this massive dog. I mean, his head was twice the size of a human head. As Oscar grew, so did their love for him. It was so fun to watch him grow into this amazing personality,

like you've never met a bigger bundle of joy. And everyone who's ever met him will tell you that.

Emily and Dave adored Oscar. He made their family feel complete. In the summer of 2018, they received devastating news. Toby Shocks' chemo had stopped working. He decided to stop treatment altogether. Emily and Dave were completely gutted. They started mentally preparing to say goodbye. And it's just so sad. It's so sad for all of us. Toby knew he didn't have much time left. In a quiet moment,

during one of Emily and Dave's final visits, Toby asked them something. Please promise me you guys will take care of Betsy when I go. Sorry. Even when he was on his last day, his family, his kids were there at his house, and Dave and I were the only two unrelated people that Betsy let come over and say goodbye to him.

“And I just remember leaning down. I just told him, I whispered it as to your, I said,”

"Toby, you're okay to go. We're going to help take care of Betsy." But keeping that promise would prove far more difficult and they ever could have imagined. The world shifted on its axis when Toby passed. Everything changed. [Music] [Music]

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Tobie's death weighed heavy on Emily and Dave. His friendship was one they cherished. The world shifted on its axis when Tobie passed. Everything changed. Most of all for Betsy, you just don't know how somebody's going to respond to such a profound loss.

We saw her spiraling just having to deal with everything by herself for the first 10 years.

All of a sudden, she found herself a single mom of five dogs.

“Without anybody there to help, and I think very understandably she was just lost for a while.”

Keeping up with her day job as a railroad engineer, plus the animal care, became overwhelming for Betsy. She worked long hours, and Emily and Dave grew increasingly concerned. It didn't seem like she was sleeping much. She was so tired, she actually got into a couple car wrecks,

on the way to and from her leg home. Fortunately, no one was seriously hurt, but that didn't stop Emily and Dave from worrying that something like this could happen again, or something worse. This was Emily's friend of six years.

She knew she needed to help Betsy through her grief. It was important to us to help care for Betsy and the dogs. Emily and Dave's property had a guest apartment outside the main house. They knew they'd have to fix it up, but they approached Betsy with an invitation. She could live in our apartment if she needed to, for however long.

Betsy said yes and was grateful. Emily and Dave got to work renovating. And got her apartment to the point of being livable. So she and all of her dogs moved in. Emily and Dave agreed to help out with animal care when Betsy was working.

It was a lot to juggle, but they thought it was the least they could do to help Betsy get back on her feet. She'd given them a lot, including Oscar, the dog who'd since become the center of their family.

Oscar was a gentle giant over 150 pounds, but still somehow unassuming.

“The kind of dog you could bring to work with you, that would rest quietly at your feet.”

When Dave opened his own clinic, Oscar became the office mascot. I have so many pictures of him with patients and kids just sitting next to him petting him. Betsy was right. He'd grown into a magnificent creature with a coat unlike anything they'd ever seen. Oscar is a black chestnut brindle. There are two colors intertwined and it looks a little bit like tiger striking. But they didn't care that he was show dog quality.

They loved Oscar for the way he clowned around their house and curled up at the foot of their bed. If he didn't brighten your day, there was nothing going to brighten your day. Oscar endeared himself to everyone. He was a playmate to their other core cell and a protector to their rescue pig Pauli. Pauli and Oscar were the best of friends. It was like he knew that she needed him for warmth and protection.

“We have hundreds of pictures of Oscar and Pauli sleeping together.”

In another life, they could have gone viral on social media as an unlikely animal friendship. Eventually, Betsy said she was ready to start doing dog shows again. And she'd gloved to borrow Oscar for a long weekend now and then. Emily and Dave were overjoyed. They wanted their friend to get back to all the things she loved again. We were very happy for Betsy because this to us was us helping her realize her dream

after the substantial loss of her husband. Of course, they'd miss Oscar while he was away, but they got him ready for his adventure.

They dropped Oscar off with a handler Betsy hired the first weekend that Oscar went away.

We packed his little to go back and he went away with the handler and he was in a kennel as he is. And he ate one of his toys. So after he got back from that weekend, we had a very sick dog

“and had direction to emergency abdominal surgery to remove a toy that was basically in his colon.”

Emily and Dave were shaken and were relieved when Oscar pulled through. It was a horrible accident, but they knew it was just that an accident. The handler was good. He's an AKC registered handlers, a good person. You know, there's no ill intent anywhere. But that was shocking to us and also it was a very expensive surgery for us because he was our dog.

So we covered the cost of that surgery even though it was an armistake. Betsy assured that it was a fluke and dog shows were usually very safe. Emily and Dave kept an open mind. Over the next several months, Betsy took him to more shows and Oscar performed surprisingly well,

bringing home all kinds of accolades. Betsy was beaming. She was always excited to share the news.

And it was like, "Yeah, and we always had text messages floating back and forth. Like, "Hey, Oscar got this. He got that. Congratulations. It's awesome." When Oscar was first showing and was winning, we were very excited for Betsy. And very proud of Oscar. We worked really hard to make sure he was happy and healthy and in-show-shape. Emily and Dave went to a handful of dog shows,

cheered from the stands and watched him rack up winds. But the deeper they got into that world, the more worried they became. Because every time Oscar left for a show, he seemed to come back worse for it. Wherever large crowds of animals gather, germs can spread. With one dog has a parasite or a virus, it spreads like wildfire. From our perspective, every time Oscar would go to a show, he would get sick.

Oscar often came home with Giordea, Canal Coff, and various parasites. And he didn't fact their other pets. And we were the ones on the back side dealing with the vet bills. Most shows took place over a long weekend. And in just a few days, Oscar would lose weight from the stress. And he comes back, drop in 15 pounds over a weekend. We're like, whoa, that for us is up concerned because you know, he's a big dog is very stressful on their body.

Oscar wasn't a puppy anymore. He was too. And this was starting to take a toll on him. Corso's are known to get very close to their people. And it was very stressful. Oscar did have some separation anxiety. Oscar had really specific needs. He had allergies. And was on a special diet. And there were times where he would come home with a lot of his food

and/or we could tell it had been prepared in a way that we would never have prepared it.

The care Oscar was receiving on the road wasn't what they'd like it to be. He's business for the handler. So when the handler has five or ten or fifteen other dogs that are created,

For Emily and Dave, Oscar's show dog career was secondary to his well-being.

“This led to some tense conversations with Betsy. And she sympathized. She loved Oscar too,”

but urged them to stick it out. Oscar was gaining more success. But around this time, they started noticing some changes in Betsy. She was exhausted all the time. She was snappier. And she used to be understandably, you know, we just kept chalking it up to grief. And she seemed less attentive. The care we thought she would want for her dog to have suddenly was changing. Where we were saying Betsy, do you want us to go let the dogs out like they've been in her

crates for hours? Her replies became more and more callous. No, they're fine. They're fine to be in their crates all day. They're fine to go potty in their kennels. Just not what we thought the standard of her care was. For years, Betsy's dogs had been her top priority. But now, Emily and Dave watched as she spent more and more time away from them. They were left scrambling to care for her dogs on top of their own. We got to a point we were overextended. Betsy and her

dogs were still living with them. She'd leave her dogs for days at a time. All of the care we provided

for her dogs. I mean, it was just never acknowledged. There was never like thank you.

And we had conversations with her that were just very forced, right? We wanted her to have a social life. We wanted her to heal and get back up and do things. But at some point, it just became expected. Emily and Dave didn't think Betsy meant to take advantage of them. She seemed distracted and she was starting to forget conversations and she was really starting to act like not herself.

“And we were starting to say to her during the summer of 2019, like, are you okay?”

You've been not acting yourself lately or you use everything okay. Is there anything we can do? And she had said, "No, I haven't done myself."

It had been almost a year since Toby passed. There was still a lot of pain there. Betsy had finally

brought herself to Cell Toby's old truck. She explained she made arrangements for someone to pick it up. And it was hard to say goodbye to something her husband treasured. And she did cell Toby's truck that night and just was sobbing. Dave and Emily tried to comfort her as they sat with her dogs. When Betsy calmed down, the conversation turned to Oscar. She talked about his potential as a show dog. That is when she first used the word "campaign." I want to campaign him. We were like, "What do you mean?"

And she said, "I want to put him on the road for like a year." Emily and Dave were caught off guard. Campaigning was something only top show dogs did. It was like being a musician on tour. It would mean Oscar would be traveling, competing in dog shows full time. We're like, "Whoa, like, that's, whoa, no, that's not something we ever talked about." "Oh, we're not comfortable with that at all." Dogs at a dog shows.

They could spend 18 to 20 hours a day in a crate. Being a campaign dog is not being a family dog. It's literally being in a crate for hours a day on the road. And we just said to Betsy,

Betsy, like, we never agreed to having him campaigned. We don't want him on the road for weeks and

weeks and weeks at a time. We let alone a year away from us and us from him. Emily and Dave couldn't even wrap their mind around it. But the past two years, they rarely let Oscar out of their sight. "They go to work every day with me. 98% of my week my dogs are with me." And they're very sensitive for us because they are very emotionally sensitive for dogs. So Emily and Dave said, "No, they wouldn't allow it." Betsy didn't take it well.

She accused us of not supporting her dreams by not allowing bird camping Oscar. The air in the room felt heavy. Betsy was clearly hurting. They didn't want to upset her, but they couldn't do this to Oscar. Emily and Dave hoped they could find some kind of middle ground. They told Betsy,

“"Give us the top five shows you want him out. The ones that are the most important. We will”

personally take time out of work and incur the expense of getting him to the important shows you want him out." So that he doesn't have to be campaigned. Betsy seemed to appreciate this. She'd be going with Oscar and a handler to a show soon in Colorado, and invited Emily and Dave to comp. And then a week or two before the show, she uninvited us to go to Colorado. Saying that he would focus better if we weren't there,

when she got back. Oscar left for Colorado. Emily and Dave stayed home.

Betsy texted them updates like always. Oscar won best in breed.

We got a picture of Betsy and Oscar in the hotel. It should have been a happy moment, but in the photo, Betsy didn't look happy. And there's just something looking off, you know, you can just tell things looked a little off. Emily figured she talked to Betsy when she got back from the show, but suddenly Betsy started sending messages that were convoluted along wind it. It gave them pause. And every message was sent in a group chat with her

handler, Sean. That was odd. And everything was paragraphs. It was like really long text. You can read them and you can just see a difference in tone and everything. Until one message made them freeze. This hard left turn of here's a change of plans. He's not coming home. He's going to stay with Sean. He's going to go breed her bitch. And you can pick him up in the waxington Kentucky on Labor Day. Labor Day. That was weeks away.

At first, Emily and Dave didn't understand what they were reading. Dave picked up the phone

“and dialed Betsy. He was sure this wasn't misunderstanding. I called and I go, what are you saying?”

What's going on? Betsy said Oscar was staying on the road. There were several shows that were too important to miss. They could see him in a few weeks. Dave was blindsided. This wasn't the plan. Do you made a promise to me that you were going to return him? And then we were going to further discuss this new plan you had or a want or your new goals. What it looks like and then how we can all come to an agreement of what we can do. But that all went out the door. Dave saw red. He says

he's not proud of what happened next. I admittedly lost my cool and I might have dropped some fowards and I was hotheaded for a little bit. Betsy hung up the phone and soon she stopped communicating with Emily too. Betsy told them if they wanted updates about Oscar, it had to go through her handler Sean. Dave texted Betsy apologizing for losing his temper. But she didn't reply. That was the point when all communication stopped.

Emily and Dave began to panic. They didn't even know what city Oscar was competing in next. Days passed. It was hard to eat. It was hard to sleep. And to think of him sleeping in a basement kennel with other dogs all around versus in our house. I mean everything about it was just

“everything we didn't want for Oscar. And I just remember every night praying for Oscar just for him”

to be safe and for him to know that we loved him and just first on to be taken to care of him. No matter how many times they called Betsy did an answer. I kept thinking the phone's been ringing Betsy's gonna call and say, "You guys, I'm so sorry. I lost my mind for a minute. I'm bringing Oscar home. Let's talk about this. Everything's gonna be okay." We were waiting for that because that's the Betsy we had known. That's the Betsy I'd known for seven years.

That phone call never came. Emily and Dave waited anxiously. We were told we could pick him up

Labor Day Monday in Lexington, Kentucky, to Dog Show he was supposed to be at. It was a growing two weeks of sleepless nights and radio silence. When Labor Day weekend finally came, Emily got ready to make the drive. But her doubts had grown. Before leaving, she checked the show's website for Oscar's name. And to her dismay, he was marked absent from the show. He was marked absent from the show. And I remember feeling like the bottom just dropped out.

Emily began to sob. If Oscar wasn't in Kentucky, where on Earth was he? Betsy, had lied to them. Oh my gosh, this is what I feared. This is what I feared. A member of my family had been taken. They've been waiting for Betsy to come back to her apartment. This was one of their closest friends. They knew if they could just talk to her. They could work things out. But when they unlocked the front door to her apartment, they found. She had come home

on a day we weren't there. And she moved her stuff out. All her dogs were gone too. Emily and Dave stared at the empty walls astonished. How could she move out without saying goodbye?

“That's what it dawned on them. She wasn't planning on coming back with Oscar ever.”

I just remember feeling gutted completely gutted. This was my darkest year that he wouldn't come back. They replayed the past year with Betsy. But now we think was at a plan along. When did this plan

since Toby's death? Has that all been alive? When you think you know somebody, and then they do something so out of character, it really throws you for a loop. You don't even understand what's happening. You wonder, was anything true? Were they just a way to support her AKC career? Betsy promised to bring Oscar home that she was just leaving for the weekend that they'd have a conversation about his showdog career. And instead, she disappeared with him. If you talked to someone and you

find out a story was a complete fabrication, then was everything of fabrication? The panic sets in

“and I think I went dark pretty fast. They had no idea what Betsy was thinking and she wasn't communicating.”

She'd take an Oscar, but she tried to take their other course so next. She had a key to our home. She knew where everything was. She knew how to get through every gate and into our backyard. So it was a matter of quickly calling a locksmith, having all of our

locks changed, padlocking gates between our yards, which we had never done before. All the while,

they knew they needed to locate Oscar. We kind of work on track and down where he might be, and just try to use a resource we can to maybe figure that part out. The next few weeks were an anxious blur. They posted on Facebook and asked their friends in the dog show world to keep an eye out. No one had seen Oscar. It was an awful time. Neither of us. Eight. Well, I think I lost like 12 pounds. We started getting even more concerned about as well

being because we didn't know who he was with. We didn't know where he was. We didn't know how he was being cared for. With no updates on as well being, their minds jumped to dark places.

“I think silence has a way of assuming the worse. Betsy had never put any expectations about”

Oscar's show career in writing. An Emily and Dave never asked her to. I would day.

Betsy had never campaigned a dog before, and she was their friend. But now, they saw things differently. The trust that had felt natural suddenly felt like a mistake. And we also started interviewing lawyers because Betsy had stopped talking with us. She'd never given us a contract. She was unwilling to work things out with us so we started looking for lawyers because we knew we needed help. Six weeks passed that way. They didn't have any leads. But Dave had a hunch.

There was a large dog show happening in Virginia. Since Sean the handler lived nearby in Maryland, they might try to enter Oscar. We weren't sure first of all that he would be there. It was just a 24-hour drive in hopes that he would be there. But they were desperate. If there was a chance they

“could bring Oscar home, they had to try. So Dave hugged Emily, jumped in his car, and set out”

on a rescue mission. My buddy, now we drove. We left here midday, and we drove straight through. Dave and his friend drove all night, taking turns at the wheel. When they arrived at the Virginia Dog Show, the sun was rising. They parked outside and made a game plan. Dave knew he had to be

strategic. The handler wouldn't just hand Oscar over. I never wanted to be shady. We tried to do

things the right way at Lexington, and he just didn't show up. If I go to a show superintendent, and then word starts spreading that she's going to get word and she's going to go on a bench. She's going to roll. She's going to take off. And then I don't know what the future will hold after that. But I just wanted my dog back. So my best avenue is to get him and get him in the car. They started by peering through the windows for any sign of the handler. We scope the place out.

I was trying to see where is she located. Finally, Dave spotted the handler. I pointed her out to his friend, who agreed to follow her inside. He texted Dave if he saw Oscar. And we just wait and wait and wait. It was probably two hours. In a wait and for kind of things to settle in. Suddenly, Dave's friend saw the handler make her way back to the kennels. Oscar's in a kennel with a blanket over it. And she finally flips that blanket off of him.

And then my buddy sent me a picture. And I'm like, yep, that's him. Okay. In the picture, Oscar was curled up in a crate. Dave couldn't believe it had come to this. But he didn't hesitate when his friend texted that the coast was clear. Dave rushed in. I walked around with all lead. I opened the crate. And as soon as he realized it was me, he was just so excited and so happy. As I come on, buddy, we're going home. And I put my lead

right around him and we walked out the door. But when the handler found Oscar's crate empty, she dialed 911 to report our robbery.

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I'm on a mission to reclaim the word Solita, trading the pity for possibility. Every time I try to be alone, I kept meaning people, and they were like, "You smiled at us, not a lot of people smile around here." It's when you're alone that you're most receptive to the world as it is, and not the lies you're sold about it. It can be a time where you push your limits, change your mind, or wake up to a new version of yourself. So whether you're a

solo travel veteran, or you're too nervous to book your first trip, I hope you listen to Solita. On the I-Hurt Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Emily and Dave had come to a painful realization. Betsy was in bringing Oscar home, running out of options, Dave drove to a dog show in Virginia, and hopes that Oscar might be there. He was. And one day found him, he wasn't leaving without him. He slipped inside and unlapped,

Oscar's crate. As I come on, buddy, we're going home, and I put my lead right around him, and we walked out the door. And as soon as he realized it was me, he was just so excited and so happy, and he couldn't get in the car quick enough. My buddy's driving, I'm in the pasture seat, he comes up and lays his head on the headrest, and he just is like, "Oh, thank you." Like, you're here. You know, my family, my guys here.

Dave messaged Emily. She'd been waiting nervously by her phone. They're relief that profound relief when Dave texted and said, "I've got him." Next, they texted Betsy. We did a group text, then I just said, "Oscar safely, back in our care, and you're welcome to contact our lawyers." Dave hugged Oscar tight, and when the adrenaline

settled, he finally looked closely at Oscar. I was just a guest. At the condition he was in,

dirty, this giant hotspot on his cheek that was untreated, his ears were dirty, and they're just gunky as anything, and he's thin, and he's skinny, and all these things. It broke my heart.

and called the police. It caused a commotion at the dog show. Dave was still in the car when his phone

“rang. When he picked up an officer demanded he explained himself, "I explained to the police officer”

what was going on. I said it's a civil matter. I go he's my dog. I sent him a text message with the AKC paperwork to show that my name's on as registration, and then he was like, "Okay, well,

we don't have anything to do with this, so the police were done." When they finally reached Kansas City,

Dave rushed Oscar to the vet. He had six hotspots. He had hookworms, which is an intestinal parasite. He had explosive diarrhea. He had double ear infections. He had lost 15 pounds, and he was hypothyroid, clinically on blood work, hypothyroid. Emily and Dave were devastated, and then the sorrow that came with knowing what terrible shape he was in. You know, for him to be so sick, it was so heartbreaking. They hugged Oscar, tears welling in their eyes. It was crushing.

Not just that Oscar was so sick, but that Betsy had lent this happen. They felt betrayed.

“To think that our dog, a dog that Betsy claimed to love and want the very best for,”

was allowed to be in such deplorable condition. It's so sad and so unnecessary. I still to this day. I still cannot accept that. That's not the Betsy we knew and loved. Yeah. If the Betsy that we knew would have seen him with hotspots and weight loss with 30 years, yeah, she would have put him in the car and brought him back to Kansas City. But that's not what happened. Emily and Dave focused their energy, a nursing Oscar back to health. They were so

relieved to have him home. We treated all the hookworms and ear infections, and we rechecked the thyroid and we got him back on his healthy diet. It was wonderful to have him home. It was so great.

They never wanted to be away from Oscar again, but Betsy was actively trying to bring him back on

the road. She hired a lawyer of her own. It was still tumultuous. We kept hoping and thinking we could just meet with Betsy and work something out. But through their attorney, Emily and Dave found out that their friendship with Betsy was over, when they were served with their restraining order. She filed a restraining order against us. Not only that, Betsy was determined to become Oscar's legal owner, but Emily and Dave weren't willing to accept

that. This was their dog. They'd raced him. He was part of their family, and they couldn't just sit by and watch Oscar's health deteriorate. I will never not fight for my dog if my dog is mistreated like that. I will fight. They didn't have a contract, but they were determined to fight Betsy for ownership. Here's where things get difficult. In the eyes of the court, this is not a custody dispute. It's a property dispute, and there wasn't much legal precedent for a dog ownership

case like theirs. But their lawyers told them not to worry. Emily and Dave had a paper trail. Hundreds of documents and photos, proving they'd raced Oscar. We had given our lawyers a lot of evidence of ownership. That bills, training, receipts, care and feeding, microchip information, A.K.C. registration that Betsy had filled out listing his owners. They filed for ownership. Still holding onto hope that they might be able to settle things

without going to court, but that hope evaporated in an instant. Really right at the blue,

we got the junction finally. Betsy filed what's called a preliminary injunction.

Basically what that means is she had a specific request. She wanted the opportunity to bring

“Oscar to an important show before the ownership trial began. And Dave and I didn't oppose that.”

The idea of the temporary injunction would be that she would have Oscar flew the show, and then he would return to us, and we would then establish a court date for an ownership trial. Which was fine with us. Even though ownership wouldn't be decided at an injunction hearing, both sides would still need to give an overview of their claim to ownership. Emily and Dave appeared at the court hearing. It was 2020, so everything was on Zoom.

Right away, things felt off. It seemed like the judge was rushing parts of the hearing. David, I sense the way court was going in the types of questions the judge was asking Betsy and how he handled my limited testimony time, and how he took a phone call during my testimony. It was the strangest thing ever.

Other points of the hearing were heated. Oscar's health became a major point of contention. Emily and Dave's veterinarian testified that he was in poor condition.

were all typical for a traveling show dog. They had proof that an AKC judge said Oscar was in

beautiful shape. Emily and Dave left court feeling uneasy. Then a few days later, I was at work, and I saw the email from our attorneys pop through. Emily and Dave were expecting a ruling on whether Betsy could take Oscar to one dog show

“I remember reading a few lines in the decision and my entire body felt like hot lava had just been”

poured over it. The judge ruled that Oscar belonged to Betsy, not for a few weeks, or a few months, forever. And the judge said I five o'clock on Monday, November 30th, Oscar was to be transferred

into Betsy's care. Emily was stunned. They weren't supposed to be ruling on ownership.

They hadn't been a review of evidence or a trial. How could this have happened? Unbeknownst to us behind closed doors. Apparently, our lawyer and Betsy's lawyer and the judge all agreed that there was no more evidence to be heard for ownership of Oscar. Without this documentation, the judge decided Betsy had substantial likelihood of winning the trial on merit. Emily didn't understand how their attorney could have agreed to this. Because they had hundreds of

“pages of ownership evidence, and they kept saying to us, this is a temporary injunction.”

We don't want to overwhelm the court with ownership evidence. That's not what this case is about. Emily broke down in tears. I can't even describe how absolutely devastated and got it I was. It felt like such a bad dream. I was at work as well, and I checked my email and popped up and your heart just drops and your stomachs and a knot. Here's an excerpt from the judges ruling, which we've had read by a voice actor. David Emily may treat Oscar as a family member,

but he's still a dog and a champion showed dog at that. Betsy has spent years developing the course so breed and Oscar is one of her best opportunities for success in showing and continued breeding. Dave snatched Oscar during a competition. This is not the action of someone who thinks they are in the right. It does not matter that there is no written agreement. It is therefore by the court ordered that the Connie Corso dog Oscar is own exclusively and solely by Betsy's dog.

It never once cites a Kansas law. It never cites a law.

But the ruling was clear. Oscar would have to leave. In the eyes of the state, he was Betsy's property. It was just the culmination of a massive amount of deceit and just untruths that led to that. Emily and Dave had five days before they had to hand Oscar over to Betsy. They tried to save her every last second with him. Every night when he was home, I would kiss him on his big forehead right between his eyes and say, "You're my very favorite Connie Corso boy."

They decided to throw Oscar a going away party. We wanted him to be surrounded by love and care and it was a cold windy Sunday afternoon and we invited people that knew and loved us and Oscar to a park and friends that came out brought toys and treats and one of our friends who's a photographer was there and she took some, she took some great, and we'd pictures of us and it was a really nice afternoon. That would be the last day they'd ever spend with Oscar.

A Monday, Monday night at 7, his handler came to pick him up. Betsy didn't even come. It was terrible. We had to put him in the back of his handler's car and it was too small for him

“and of course I was crying and it was crying. I remember hearing Oscar cry all the way up the driveway.”

It was a gut-wrenching, absolutely gut-wrenching. Oscar left on November 30, 2020, but Emily and Dave weren't ready to accept that he was gone forever. So they hired a new attorney. We immediately filed an appeal. This was the start of a year's long legal battle, trying to get Oscar home. The case was elevated at the Kansas Court of Appeals in January 2023. We got audio from that hearing.

This is a litigation over the ownership and control of a prized show animal and family pet by the name of Oscar. Oscar is a connecorso and enjoys a-- Emily and Dave's attorney presented their case arguing that they should be considered as

I can't help but close, but to think and remember, the condition that Oscar is suffering from at

“this point and that is that dogs love dogs' grief and to recognize the deaf spirit pain that”

Oscar is in and for him to have a fair chance for Dave and Emily to lay out their case and it cannot rest until that happens. And the judges agreed. Emily and Dave's due process had been

violated by the district court. They should be considered co-owners of Oscar. At first, it felt

like a glimmer of hope, but Betsy appealed and the court ordered he would stay in her care while the appeals process played out. Oscar didn't come home and to Emily and Dave, that was all that mattered. You just leave there and you're like, "I am living in the Twilight Zone." I just want the truth to come out and I want Oscar back. That's the two things. I want the truth and I want Oscar and beyond that I'm fine. Emily and Dave's account of this story is detailed

“in district court records and the lawsuit they filed against Betsy. But started as a very simple”

question, who owns Oscar proved to be difficult to answer under the law, eventually the case

was escalated to the Supreme Court of Kansas and May of 2024. The Supreme Court ruled that they

couldn't decide. They agreed that the case wasn't properly evaluated. But it wasn't in their jurisdiction to rule on ownership disputes. That was the district court's job. They would have to start the process over. For Emily and Dave, it was another heartbreak. They've been waiting years and now they'd have to wait more. It's a shame that this whole process has dragged on this long. There was one more thing Emily and Dave's original lawyer didn't tell them. If they'd

filed a stay, they might have delayed handing him over to Betsy and tell the appeals process

“was finalized. All these years, Oscar could have been at home with them. It was just one betrayal”

on top of the next, on top of the next, on top of the next, and they continue still.

This is the limbo they're still living in. It's been six years. They're still waiting for the next legal step. Meanwhile, Oscar has spent years on the road. He's become the winningest, Connie Corso, an AKC history. He's one best-in-show, 12 times. Emily and Dave have been stuck in the grieving process for years. It's been harder than when they've had dogs pass away. Death is hard, and it's final. If Oscar had passed away, we wouldn't worry about his well-being

every day. We wouldn't worry about him being in the kennel for 23 hours a day. We wouldn't worry about him having enough food or not having enough food. He would not be lonely or sad or cold or hot or painful or neglected or bored, knowing that he's out there, but not knowing how he's being cared for. That's the hard part. This betrayal is layered. Emily and Dave didn't just lose Oscar. They also lost a close friend. This wasn't just some crazy person doing a terrible

thing. This was a seven-year friendship that got turned on its head unexpectedly. It was a genuine friendship. We do mourn the loss of Oscar, and we mourn the loss of our friendship with that's the in Toby. And of course, we mourn the loss of Toby because he passed. Emily and Dave still hope that one day, all the hurt and anger will melt away to open the door to a kind conversation with Betsy. We just used to be such friends, and it's so sad that all of that's changed.

I would love to be able to sit in a room with Betsy and agree to just go forward in kindness and love. We reached out to Betsy for comment. Her attorney informed us that she was unable to give a statement at this time, given the ongoing litigation over Oscar. The trial for Oscar's ownership is now set to take place in December of 2026. There have been very few weeks that this hasn't taken up time, resources, and finances. We have literally not been on a vacation since this started.

Every spare minutes and every spare dollar we have has gone into trying to get Oscar home for the last chapter of his life. Oscar is nine and a half now. The average life's man of Akane Corso is about 10 years. Our greatest wish would just be to have Oscar home for his last chapter, and to allow healing and restoration for our family unit. I just wanted to come home. I just wanted to have the joy of going to work and seeing patients like you used to and him greeting you with

his big smile and his waggy tail. A couple of years ago, he was competing at the Westminster Dog Show in New York. Emily and Dave decided to fly up and watch. We got a V at the show and

in a hallway behind the arena. Emily turned around and there he was. His handler had him and she was

“literally six feet away from me with her back turned to me and I so badly just wanted to call his”

name and hug and kiss him but it was before he went into the ring and I didn't want to upset Oscar or ruin his focus. Wonderful to see him and heartbreaking to see him. Since then, Betsy has stopped campaigning Oscar. He's been neutered and can no longer compete. Today, Emily and Dave still live in Kansas City. Emily went back to school to become a veterinarian. She graduates next year. Dave still runs his clinic. In the meantime, their family has grown.

Their home is filled with pigs, cats and dogs but there will always be a place for Oscar.

They're not giving up hope. I would love for our nightly prayers to change from please Lord protect Oscar until you bring him home to thank you for bringing him home.

“A few years ago, Dave and Emily started the Oscar project. A site where people can find resources”

about property law and fair contracts for animal owners. They don't want anyone to be in the same position they were in. With a dog they loved and no paper is to prove ownership. This is a pain that no one ever needs to feel again because you can set the parameters from the very beginning. They say contracts make for better friends and boys that true. A written contract would have made for a much better friendship. We end every weekly episode with the same question.

Why do you want to share your story? I binge betrayal all of it and could resonate so much with

the betrayal trauma and I had never heard that expression before but that so perfectly describes

what we've lived through. We have lived a life full of betrayal trauma for the last several years

“on multiple levels. Ultimately, I hope that we save other people from being in this type of situation.”

I hope that we can use our ignorance what we didn't know seven years ago to prevent someone else from going through this heartache and trauma. The past is the past. We can't go back and change any of the last six years but we can change what happens going forward. On the next episode of betrayal weekly, here's the epitome of evil. He loved that people thought of him as this boring economist and at night on weekends whenever he had the opportunity,

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