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The friend of mine described it really well. She said, it's not like he's a catch-me-if-you-can type person. He actually lies to make himself as normal as possible

just like your average book. And it's true. His basalt was authenticity. I'm Andrea Gunning and this is betrayal. A show about the people we trust the most

and the deception that change everything. Tina Maya is a successful e-commerce consultant in the UK. In 2016, a casual romantic fling turned her entire world upside down. It showed her a dark side of humanity.

One that she'd never seen before.

There's definitely an element of control. He can walk away, but he can remotely control the rest of your life. Her story is also one of community. Along the way,

she found a group of other women who had been deceived and betrayed by the same man. Tina has become their spokesperson. And this spokesperson for a much larger story. Tina was raised to be opinionated and strong-willed.

So I was born in Iran, actually, before the revolution we came here in 1978. And I grew up in South East England,

so very green leafy parts of the world. And she graduated from university. She traveled and spent years living abroad. I went to Australia in Thailand and India as well. A lot of places, Costa Rica,

you know, I spent a lot of times of building my career and living life. In the 90s and 2000s, Tina was early to adopt the Internet's potential,

especially for commerce and online retail. She made a career working in digital sales. That ended up taking her to New York City, where she met her husband. By her mid-30s,

he welcomed a son, Leo.

He was an incredible baby.

I really enjoyed becoming a mother. But her husband, on the other hand, struggled.

It was just Leo, but me, I guess, a little for a while. When Tina was offered a prestigious job back in the UK, she separated from her husband and made the leap. Now her daily life was focused on work and raising her son. For Tina, being a single mom to one child felt manageable.

She loved that dynamic. I was at a mom's strengths thing.

“I remember having a conversation with one of the moms”

who had a lot of problems with the second child.

She said, "You got it right." One child, the tree. When her son started grade school, Tina had more nights to herself. He spends more time in France, he gets sleepovers, put a little bit more independence.

I wasn't actively going out and dating or anything like that. I was so busy, I wasn't even thinking about dating. It wasn't on the radar. In 2016, she attended a tech conference in London. That day, she must have met an exchange contact info

with at least 30 people. One of them being Neil Laman. He's a very charismatic person. He's very good-looking.

I suppose he was a bit flirtatious.

“Neil was from Essex to put it in American terms.”

I guess the American version would be just sure. Think party culture in Spray Tans. Tina's interaction with Neil was nothing special. Just a friendly exchange of business cards. She assumed it was a professional connection.

But soon, Neil began texting her. And then one day, he texted me and I had just closed a very significant deal. So it had very good mood, and he said that he was in the area. And asked me if I'd see going for a drink. That night, her son was at a sleepover.

That's it. You know what? Why not? It was perfect timing. So they met at a neighborhood pub. We sat down and started talking.

He was very open. Ask me about you, my life. She talked about her son and her ex-husband in America. And Neil shared details about his past. He told me that his ex-wife, they lived together in the U.S.

and she had cheated on him and she'd run off with his best friend. The reason his wife had left was because Neil couldn't have kids. She was very bitter about the fact that he couldn't give her children. And then he went on to tell me about about the he'd had cancer and testicular counts of the symptoms impossible.

It was a touchy subject. Neil seemed deeply hurt by his ex-wife. Tina felt for him. He seemed almost a little bit vulnerable. He had this sort of emotional vulnerability about him.

The night was going well. And before long, they found themselves in another bar, making jokes, and inching closer together. She liked him. But she wanted to keep it casual.

I didn't see it as being long-term serious relationship prospect. That was not where my head was. It's not the sort of time that I had. I wasn't interested in bringing anyone into my son's life. It was just letting my head down.

And have you get a bit of fun, really? And Neil, Neil, how to have a good time. He had that sort of cheeky choppy jack, the lad. Kind of think about him. It was fun.

At the end of their night together, he walked me home in the very early hours of the morning. They kissed good night. And Neil said he wanted to see her again. He was often in her area because he owned and managed a few properties there.

He promised to text the next time he was in her neighborhood.

And he did. So after their first night out together, he continued to text me.

And then he would come over what's weak or so.

“Tina couldn't remember the last time she had a fling like this.”

It had to have been well before her marriage. It was just what she needed. It made her feel sexy and confident. Before they slept together. I'd sit to him that it wasn't on the pillow to think of anything.

I said no. I'm really allergic to late heads. Tina was 41 and after his testicular cancer treatments, Neil couldn't have kids.

They settled on another method.

“I was quite adamant about using withdrawal methods.”

And I'd ask him if you were during time. Because I could have gone and got a plan B. But he was like, no, absolutely. Over the next few months, they saw each other whenever they could. And Tina got to know more about him.

He said that he went to the London School of Economics, which is sort of, you know, the Harvard Business School level. But when Tina tried to talk about the neighborhood where the school's located, Neil seemed confused. Like he didn't know the area.

But it had been decades since Neil was in school. So Tina didn't think much of it.

I didn't really question it too much.

I wasn't thinking of him as, you know, husband material or something. So things weren't registering too much with me. Eventually, Neil's a pill started to wear off.

“There was just one too many things that just wasn't adding alcohol,”

or even true. Like he would make a plan and then have some weird excuse. Now like, it started to be less fun now. She was ready to move on. So she stopped responding promptly to his texts. Kind of what it's paid to out anyway.

So he got a little cold a few weeks later. She didn't feel quite like herself. I was misplacing things. I was looking for my car keys, all over the place, and realised that I turned them in the wheelie bin with my rubbish. But I threw the rubbish out.

This feeling was familiar. Funny thing. I normally have any different things like that. What I'm pregnant. I don't get morning sickness. I don't get cravings. But I get very forgetful.

She can find it in a friend about what was going on.

“She said to me, "Go and get a pregnancy test."”

And she said, "As soon as you do that, and you realise that you don't get pregnant, then the period of time." You know that's a pretty good idea. So she got the test.

So I went to the bathroom and it would be instructions. And then, yeah, pop the lid on your space weight three minutes. Immediately came up. Right now. Okay, I'll just wait for three minutes for the knocked to come up.

She was pregnant. I 41. Even though it was unexpected and unplanned, she felt immediately connected to this child. It's hard to describe, but she was very present in me very early on.

There was something very good strong about this present. And I felt that right away. Even still, it was a massive shock because the baby had to be meals. They didn't anybody else.

But meal was infertile. So this baby was a medical miracle. Tina turned to her friend who suggested maybe meal would be happy about the baby. She was like, oh, these years.

He didn't know that he could have children. Miracle baby or not. Tina knew that she and Neil didn't have a future together. Now, she had to break up with them and tell him the news. Wow, okay.

This is going to be all good there.

She took a few days to think and finally sent Neil a message.

So I said, I need to talk to you, but to meet up tomorrow. I'm coming to you, but need to have a little chat. And then he said something along the lines. Yeah, sure. I'll send my brother to meet you.

And I know because we need to talk. And he said, well, I don't see why there's anything you can't tell me here. I was like, really, you want me to tell you what I need to tell you over text. And he said, yeah. I'll say, okay.

Hi, if you insist. And so I said, I am pregnant. You are the only option of who the father is. And then he answered a little bit strangely. He said, nice try.

I had a forsectomy. And I sent him a picture of the pregnancy test. So I said, well, it didn't work. She wasn't expecting anything from him.

The child I am letting you know because it's a responsible thing to do.

“And you could be as uninvolved as you wish.”

She didn't know how he would react. But she certainly wasn't expecting what happened next. Things turned nasty on his part, which took me a back. He said, be a whole load of nasty boys males. Hi, Tina.

Let's talk about this baby. Okay. Now, there's something very strange about this baby. Let me explain it to you. You could just hear in his voice that turn and how nasty he became.

There's like real vitro. In these messages, Neal doubled down on his story. I have zero sperm. He's medically impossible. If it were, I still be living happily with my wife in the USA.

“We split up because she wanted kids and I couldn't have them.”

As the messages and calls kept coming, it got more personal. He said, you'll be a single mom and you won't be able to get a job and you won't be able to work and you'll be poor. Then meaner. And oh, he accused me of thinking of him as a cash cap. Then kind of scary.

And then he said that he had gone to the police and reported me to police. He said harassment. And some of his messages were downright strange. He said, it's come up with a story. When he was in the hospital with his kidney infection, they found cancer cells.

And how selfish I am and what horrible person I am, having told him that I was pregnant and that I'm basically killing him.

From her first date with Neil, she knew he wasn't a keeper. She had no idea he could be this cruel. Well, this is not normal. This was really strange. So I'm going to show you something.

I've all had nothing to do with you.

“Nothing to do with you claiming I'm a father of your child.”

You can keep the baby, it's great for you. But it ain't mind darling. I just thought he was an asshole. My friend, he was kind of a me thought that he was some sort of state of shock because he thought he could have had children. But Neil wasn't in shock.

And he wasn't in denial. Tina didn't know it at the time. But this was something far more insidious. This is something that he's got through many, many, many, many times over. [Music]

When Tina Maya told the man she'd been casually dating, she was pregnant. He became a different person. Neil Laman started sending her callous voice messages about how the baby could not possibly be his. He even accused Tina of harassment. Regardless of his disturbing reaction, Tina wanted to have the baby on her own.

She was sure of that. So after his vitriolic messages, she drew a boundary with Neil. I'll let you know when she's born. And yeah, you can decide if you work so. Have a DNA test or not.

That's your right. And then he replied, "No thank you. I will not be participating in any DNA test." Well, okay. No worries.

As far as Tina was concerned, Neil was out of the picture. And I went on. I was there. I had a lot to deal with. She blocked him and moved forward with the rest of her pregnancy.

It wouldn't be her first time as a single mom. Tina's friends and family rallied around her to provide support. And she needed it, especially when the baby was born. When I went into labor, she had an infection. She went blue and she was there in an incubator.

She also had very, very, very bad disorders.

Her newborn baby Josephine was in critical condition.

She had a severe lung infection. The doctor wanted to prepare for a blood transfusion. He said, "Yeah, just in case of the worst case scenario, we're going to need to get a medical history, blood types, the parents." In cases, some kind of rarity, the genetic rarity or something like that. Well, I could give you half.

But half wasn't good enough, especially considering Neil's history of cancer.

She was two days old. Instead of reaching out to Neil, she decided to call one of his friends. The only friend of his, she knew how to reach. I said, "Listen, here's my hospital number, and this is the doctor's name. Can you just have him tell them, blood type, any kind of medical history or anything like that?"

Neil's friend tried to get him to go, or at least to call the hospital.

“And he's like, "No, absolutely. I told him you need to get his stuff down there, right away."”

But Neil never showed up.

No call, let's come through to research it, so he's not here. And has not been here. And then, while Tina was lying in her hospital bed, she got a text from Neil. He said, "Me, wrong, wrong, wrong." You said, "Text messages about, I wouldn't, I wouldn't, if the finger to help your child."

Even if she did have my DNA, I'm not giving any information to any doctors. All right, okay, you are a psychopath. This is a two-day old baby, and all I asked is for you to make a phone call. Which anybody would do for a stranger's baby for a kitten. No human being would refuse to make a phone call to potentially save a baby.

But Neil refused.

He was not interested in helping the baby.

He was more concerned with lashing out at Tina. But he called me, "vile, tonned, foul, woman, all sorts of like a hurl name." So yeah, I just given birth. I was in hospital with Neil stuck in me for the antibiotics that things like that. But this is a really evil person.

She was beyond anger. I was disgusted. I was disgusted. I was like, "Yeah, whatever you are, you have no humanity." Up until this moment, she'd planned to raise the baby completely on her own,

without asking Neil for a single penny.

“But after he showed his true colors, she decided, "You know what?”

I'm just going to send the child's pull agency off to keep the next day to eating it.

Bye-bye." She figured the courts could handle Neil. And she and her family could move on. Luckily, her newborn daughter recovered without meeting a blood transfusion. After a week of being in hospital, we were both able to go home.

When she got home with Josephine or thiefy as she calls her, their house was full of joy. Her son, who was eight, became a doting big brother. Right, son, a daughter for day one, and she was just sweet as baby. Now with two children to support, Tina had to return to work just two weeks later.

So I took the mandatory two weeks, and what that's work. Now I was back on a train, and London, I had a nanny,

“and my friend helped me out also with her.”

And yeah, that's work. One day, while she was on her way to work, she decided to call the UK's child support agency. To get the paperwork started for child support. After they looked at Tina's claim, the agency contacted her with surprising news about Neal.

It came back that firstly, it said that he only had to pay five pounds a week, because he was in receipt of benefits. Meaning that Neal was on unemployment, but that didn't add up to Tina. She met him at a tech conference. He owned his own company.

She'd met his coworkers. She tried to explain this to the child support agency. And I said, "Well, he's not." And if he is, he shouldn't be because he's got a business. I mean, Tina, I know.

He has a functioning business. But the government didn't have records of his businesses or income. And that wasn't all. The other interesting thing was that five pounds week, who was split between my daughter and three other children.

I was like, "Okay, so this news been." Neal had three other children. What about his story of being in fertile? Tina went into investigation mode, searching for business and personal records a Neal lawman.

And went all the way back to one of the number of years ago.

she found the name of a woman.

“Someone who changed her last name to Laman.”

Says, "Okay, that must be his ex-wife." If she is an ex-wife, it might be his current wife. Maybe this was the woman he'd been married to in the States. But Tina didn't really know what to believe anymore. At this point, I realized that there's a lot of life.

So I got a Facebook. And Laman isn't a common name. I pulled it up and there's a Facebook profile.

The first thing she noticed about her profile,

she was not in America. She's right here in the UK. And the second pictures of two girls who are undoubtedly his daughters. Looking at the photos of two little girls, clearly related to Neal,

made Tina's headspin. At the very least, she knew she'd found the right person. So I text her on Facebook.

“And obviously, I didn't know what to expect.”

They didn't know how she would react. If she would respond to tool, I didn't know if they were still married that he'd lied about that. I had no idea what to expect from this.

But what could I do? So I wrote her message. And she immediately responded.

The first line was very long.

Message said, "I'm so, so sorry because it is better." When Tina applied for child support, she discovered a trove of information about her daughter's biological father, Neal Laman. First, that he was on unemployment

and claimed he was unable to make child support payments. He wasn't the high-flying tech-eye he'd pretended to be. Second, that he already owed child support for three other children. The whole story about him being infertile

from prostate cancer was a complete lie and elaborate deception from night one. When Tina began looking into Neal's background, she found the name of his ex-wife. We're going to call her Wendy.

Yeah, we start talking to Tina. And his ex-wife had a story to tell. She'd been with him for 10 years. They had two daughters together. Then one day Neal walked out,

leaving her with a significant amount of debt. If she hadn't been bailed out by her parents, they would have been on the streets or something like that. And yeah, she seemed traumatized. Neal had claimed that his wife cheated on him

that she left him because he was infertile. He said she was still back in America. But it turns out, Wendy very much lived in the UK. In fact, she lived in the same neighborhood as Tina. Now, Tina could safely assume everything he'd ever told her was a lie.

So, we now know that the whole America thing was a lie. Cancer thing, well, yeah, even if he had cancer. It did not cause him to let's see. I'm like, well, okay, right. Now we're down a rabbit hole.

Tina and Wendy agreed to meet for dinner to talk in person. So, we met up in London. We both liked sushi, so we went to a very nice sushi restaurant. Right away, Tina was struck by how familiar Wendy seemed. The two women had the same energy, independent, confident, and how going.

Wendy had some important information for Tina. Things she needed to know. You see, after Neal left her, Wendy found out about two more children. Two sons, he had fathered before her daughters were born. Tina stared at Wendy, processing the reality that her daughter was one of five.

How many more kids were out there?

“And what would that mean for her daughter for their daughters?”

It was a reality Wendy had barely begun to confront herself.

She'd said that she had never told her daughters about the older boys that she'd found.

That she'd found out about. Since Neal left Wendy, he'd barely spoken to their two young daughters. Nothing, absolutely nothing in all of these years. Except an annual birthday phone call to one of the children, where you would lie about how to send a gift that never arrived.

Before they said goodbye, Tina got an idea.

Let's do something little bit funny. So we took a selfie. We were both giving the bird.

“And we said him an email with just a picture and a title.”

The other mother mother. Aha. He went ballistic. Neal started sending unhinged emails. To Tina, to Wendy, even to his ex father and law.

And then he'd also send a horrific email to my work. A very graphic, slut-shaming email. Addressed to the entire company, including the CEO. She was horrified. This was too far.

So I reported this to the police. And I did take it quite seriously. And I said that it was malicious communication. But this wasn't the first time the cops had investigated Neal. He was also involved in a very high profile, broad case with the Fimbo wine scheme.

“And his ex, girlfriend, actually ended up serving time for that.”

But he just walked away. It's got free. Allegedly, he'd been implicated in a multi-million dollar fraud scheme. And there was more. In total, he had 11 offenses in five convictions.

But he never served any prison time.

Like Teclon, nothing sticks. After Teclon reported Neal to the police, she waited for an update. She'd given them all the information she had on him. And the officers said they'd call her when they made an arrest. But months went by without word.

When Teclon called for an update. Strangely, we can't find him. He went on to grab a something. And then after the work was cancelled, which I found odd.

“Tina knew where he was. He wasn't hiding at all.”

That's like, "Well, I could find him. Why can't you?" This got Tina thinking. It crossed my mind that he, my Fim, and informant. And he got himself out of these things by giving information to throw the people across. Again, that's just a theory.

If the police weren't going to give her answers or justice, she was going to find them herself. So she reached out to Wendy. And together, they came up with another idea. We said, "Look, why don't we start a Facebook group that has his name in it."

So at least if someone's looking to sort of, you know, date him or business and they look him up. On Facebook, it'll come up maybe give them a reply, give them a warning. So we set up this Facebook group called the Neil Norman victim support group. It was a little tongue-in-cheap. But, yeah, the interesting thing was that, you know, one after another,

people actually started to join and tell their stories. As the group grew, Neil tried to get it taken down. But Facebook declared it legitimate public interest. Through this page, they discovered that Neil was allegedly running quite a few schemes at the same time.

There were lots of posts about his alleged shady business dealings. When it came to starting new businesses, the posts suggested that Neil had an ML. He would befriend somebody, get into their lives, get understand their business, and then take over the business.

He would just make a copy of it and then take all the customers and try and start these businesses that were other people. And suddenly he's an expert. And then there were all the women he'd ghosted. Women he'd met online and started serious long-distance relationships with.

There was a diplomat. He'd had an online relationship with the years. When this woman finally booked a trip to meet him in person, he said he would pick her up at the airport. But when she landed, he wasn't there.

She tried to call him. And she realized he blocked her.

She never heard from him again.

He's done that a lot. He's done that a lot. It's been quite a few people, but he's had these little online online relationships with. These stories were bizarre.

Was he doing it for the money?

Or was it all just one big game to him? Whatever the case in every story, Neil didn't stick around.

“Instead, his victims were left to deal with the consequences of his actions.”

And somewhere never the same.

Like one woman. She was only 18 at the time. Thought she was going for a job interview. And then he said, oh, this meeting is going on in the office. He helped me meet me.

There's the restaurant downstairs and bought her a drink. She wrote to Tina. In her Facebook messages, she said that she woke up in a hotel room disoriented. She alleged that she'd been drugged and raped.

She didn't go to the police. Because she got shaped. Multiple women shared stories like this one. Their Facebook posts alleged that Neil was not just a con artist, but a violent man.

The fact that they have these, when they say genical stories, needs me think that, yeah, that's pattern. As the group grew, Tina continued to wonder,

“did anyone out there have a story like hers?”

And then, another mother came along. Her son was now an adult, but she knew Neil was the father. And it turned out that her son was only a few weeks older than one of his other sons.

And they lived down the road from each other. Their families knew each other.

The boys never interacted,

but they easily could have. I mean, that's how close they were. Through the group, Tina learned more about Neil's backstory. And it was revealing.

As far as I'm aware, he believed that his stepfather was his real father. Until he was about 14, and then the mother told him the truth. But he was rejected by his own father,

but he was never in Neil's life. Like his mom, Neil also had his first child in his teens. When Neil was about 18, that's when he got the first mother pregnant.

She was only 15 at the time.

The baby was bored, and he run off. After that, it seemed like this became a pattern of his. And this wasn't just about having unprotected sex

or fathering many kids. He was intentionally deceiving women into believing he was infertile. These women who got pregnant would be tied to Neil forever. There's definitely an element of the trope.

Like he can remotely control the rest of your life. He can walk away, but still keep that control.

“So how many children does Neil Laman actually have?”

Well, four have been confirmed by DNA. But there are many women who believe Neil is the father of their children. From people coming forward and talking to us, there are at least 13 credible children.

It's not that he's the father. So the scheme clearly didn't end with Tina. The 13 mothers have become a kind of group. They've bonded. Some of them are even friends.

Tina admits he does have the taste of women. She's one, demon quality. And it's interesting because he doesn't tend to go for vulnerable women. He doesn't tend to go for women who he can control financially, or who don't have close families and things like that.

It's almost like a challenge to him, but he will target women who are strong who have careers who are accomplished and break them down. But of course, Neil's victims aren't just the women. Some members of their Facebook group are Neil's now adult children. Many of them haven't been confirmed by DNA,

but one of them tried to find Neil. He told Tina about the experience. He told me about whether he was a teenager, he'd gone sort of trying to find him. And he'd waited outside his office.

He'd spoke a table of a phone. And he seemed all right on the phone. But then when he went to meet him, he waited at a coffee shop across from where he worked. And then Neil came down and saw him and just turned the other way

and walked away. A lot of these stories are very heartbreaking. Hearing these stories, Tina felt even more certain that justice needed to be served. And in talking to a police officer,

This could be considered right by deception.

Rate by deception is a situation in which a perpetrator deceives someone in order to get sexual consent.

“The victim wouldn't have consented if not for a crucial lie.”

Like one around the perpetrator's STD or a fertility status. Rate by deception isn't a specific charge. It's a way of arguing and giving context to a situation as rate. Even if it falls outside the typical definition of rape under the law. And it's been used before in cases like Tina's.

There was another high profile case whereby

someone who is a convicted rapist was taken to court

because he'd claimed to have had a respect to me and got a woman pregnant. And the jury had ruled him guilty. You've given a sentence. However, they appealed it at the Supreme Court overruled the conviction.

“For Tina, there's still a lot of work to be done around this issue.”

And the meantime, she's had to move forward with her life and focus on her kids. My daughter is an absolute blessing to gift. She's a ray of sunshine. Yeah.

The irony of this whole thing is that she looks just like it.

Tina has learned to navigate some tough questions with care. For instance, her daughter has asked, "Is my dad a nice person?" "Your father, he's not a nice person. But that's nothing to do with you."

She's just very matter of fact. And it's just funny how adaptable kids are. Friends of her is very innocently out here soon. And she's like, "Oh, I didn't have one." Just like, "I didn't have one."

When they do father's day, things at school, she makes things for her brother. Tina and her two children have a strong little family unit. But now, that's not their entire family. Because Tina and Wendy decided to tell their kids about each other. When Wendy told her daughters,

one of the things that the older daughter did say was that she wanted to meet her sister. Tina does worry about her daughter. And how the situation will impact her as she grows up. But at the end of the day, what hurts and what causes damage is the lies. Not the truth.

I've seen it over and over again that a lot of children, the people, the victims, have all been impacted. So negatively, by this trail of lies, on lies, on lies, on lies.

“And the best way to combat that is by absolute truth.”

And my daughter will have a source of truth about her situation. She wasn't abandoned, and it's not helpful. This is what he does. This is a him problem. We end all of our episodes with the same question. Why did you want to tell your story?

Tina has a really specific reason. She wants to warn anyone who's just met Neil Laman. If I can help one person avoid that pain, avoid going through this situation or to get out before it's something devastating. If I can help one of the mothers out there to feel not alone, that overcomes all of his darkness. I think that that can only be a positive thing.

On the next episode of the trail. That evening, one of the strangest things happened. I looked in the mirror and I set out loud that he's not coming home. And I thought, "My God, am I being dramatic?" Of course he's going to be home. And I dismissed it.

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