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“I hate it, that was the worst pronunciation of my name ever, but I think it works for the”

show today. It works for the show and also people say my name is wrong all the time, so I need to get one. Citron? Citron?

Citron? Citron? Citron is the most, that one I'm just like, do you pronounce everything like the word hi? Victoria, we'll stop with you because you told me beforehand, you hate the word wellness,

I'd love to understand why. We had to start with like a soul cleansing breath, like they do in those wellness studios that you sometimes get yoga in, but yeah, so normally my beat is wellness and health, not wellness, wearables and health tech, and that is increasingly now being co-opted by the word wellness.

Nine out of a time as a grift, and so my job has become someone who, it's changed from

“someone who evaluates technology to someone who is like, is this snake oil?”

Oh my god, it's snake oil. Let me explain why it's snake oil. Oh, they want your piss and their your pee and everything is dystopian. Oh, magas involved now, okay, well, ma'am, and just all the news on my beat is just like, okay, what if we didn't, what if we didn't go, like, a full 60 miles per hour to 60

and to snake oil, what if we didn't do that, what if we didn't do that, what if we didn't do that, what if, what if we didn't take advantage of the fact that our health care system shit and people have a lot of health anxiety and when they go to doctors, they don't feel listen to that, you know, we could actually get proper medical care in this country and not rely on big tech who wants to monetize you and your ailments with the guys of being

an alternative to our real doctors with medical training, is it, is it that they, they want to just use us all as like little parts in their expense reports, let me take it back. I think because I just want to make money off of us or is it because they can't read science literature and they do all of it. Why not both, yeah, it's just all of it, all of it, all of it, all of it, once there's

where I feel insane, so like when when I was on your show at CES, I was talking about

“grey market peptides and how people are injecting themselves with unapproved redotroutide,”

which is not yet approved drug, but they're buying it off or they're buying what they say is redotroutide off of TikTok and all of these grey market sellers and I'm just like I'm fairly certain that what you're getting is not actually redotroutide based on like I don't know how drug production works because I've talked to pharmacists and you know, interviewed people. Generally it feels like random people on TikTok, I know usually like able to access things

of this nature, like just like the random random person walking around. Just generally speaking, if, you know, nurse practitioners are real registered nurses are, there's all these different types of nurse categories and some of them are legitimate and have a lot of, you know, they're able to prescribe medicines, they're able to talk to you through those things and some of them are like little Sally Jo Johnson from some place

who just put a lot of letters after her name and is actually like a wellness guru, but she's saying like based on the science and the research and I can tell she is not done, the science and the research because when she is reconstituting a peptide, she has not disinfected her hands. While she rolls the stuff on her very dirty kitchen counter, which for many years that I've seen, many years I've seen. Yeah, well, I'm going to say I'm upset that you're talking about my primary

care physician that way, like she works really, really hard to give me all sorts of things that I know are real and not salt water and I inject them into my body. I look and feel great and I haven't

“been insured since, you know, a Democrat was in power. I mean, what's the problem here?”

I mean, there's a lot of problems here, not least the grifters. Like, there are real people online who are medical professionals, nurses, doctors, pharmacists who are giving decent medical information. I only know which ones decent though because I do this for a living. I think if you're the average person, you can see a lot of stuff together and some of it is true and it's put next to stuff that is not true. And so by then,

it looks a lot smarter. Like, I just did, I'm trying out this thing in my newsletter, optimizer that I'm like, it's not called this, but I think of them as wellness, marketing, report cards. And I just did AG1, which you've heard on every podcast ad, known to man. I've done the role. I don't know what it is. I was like, it's better if green brought to you. Have you ever heard of athletic screens? It's AG1. It's a green's powder.

Oh, yeah. Green's powder. Yes. Basically, would you like your PPE to be expensive? Because

“that's what it is. It's a supplement made from like a proprietary blend of ground up vegetables”

and some buzzwords like adaptogens and all that. And that doesn't, does it not even give you the nutritional benefits and vegetables? I mean, I mean, the fiber content is like two grams of fiber for a serving, which is not that much fiber, honestly. Yeah, I feel like you could get more fiber from that. But you know, like, I'm not saying that if you want to drink your daily greens because it's going to get you in the habit and the mindset of doing something healthier

for yourself later on the day, there's no harm with that. But if you go to their research page and they're marketing site, they're going to say the next generation of AG1 is clinically backed. What does that mean? Clinically backed does not mean what you think it means? It's not for a supplement. Do you know what a supplement is? Not regulated by the FD fucking A. It's not regulated. Well, it's not a thing. What Hugh Jackman lied to me? Because, um, yes, Hugh Jackman

fucking lied to you because he's got them at the AG1 fucking thing. He's saying superfood. Do you know what superfood is? It's a marketing label. It's not a scientific term. It's a marketing label. It's a new tree. It's a new tree. It's a new tree. It dense food. That's all like that. Means it's a marketing label. This is not what I'm going to tell this. No, but this is the thing. It's like it's so a number one boat to recommend to brand means nothing. I'm guessing.

Which doctors? Well, they'll say, Victorias, so I'm just superman. Don't trust Dr. Hugh. You know, I had a, I had a. That is actually the guy on that. No, I had a doctor who said, hey, have you listened to the human podcast? And guess what I did? I fired them as a man in a new doctor. I didn't say you're fired. But I was like, I can't trust you if you

believe that man who just basically also partners was AG1 to make AGZ, which is like a sleep thing.

quote, a clinical studies. What did you say? Here's the thing. Here's the thing. When you have a

“drug or a medical treatment, it goes through clinical trials to make sure it's efficacious and”

safe and to find out what the efficacious doses. This is a supplement. It is not regulated. This is not required. So they're just doing voluntary clinical studies to show marketing because it's like, hey, guess what? We saw an improvement and the gut microbiome and all this other shit, which is like, again, your gut is your second brain. Your gut and your brain talk to each other. It can affect your cognition and your mood if you don't have the proper amount of gut bacteria

in there that we have research saying this, okay. And so they're going, well, we got strains of probiotics in AG1. Now, this is the original formula because their website is very, very trickly, tricksily laid out. And so I go there and I go like, okay, let me look at this peer research.

You'll get the graphs in this peer research that's linked there. Well, first of all,

the sample size is 20, like, with 30 people negligible, ideally. No, but just for the sake of argument, how many people do you generally want an clinical trial? 10 per statistically, statistically, like 105 or so, like 100 people, we sometimes see that in the clinical trial. You want as many people that will be statistically significant for the population that you're studying. So you need a ton of paper for different races. It's not significant. 30 people. It's not significant.

What is the population they're selling to? Everyone might have tummy problems. Oh, I was like, if it's like dumbasses who exclusively get their medical advice from commercials on their Instagram and TikTok. That is still a higher population than 30 people to be sick. I can't say statistically because I'm so mad. Listen, okay, so you know, I go through their little

“go through their little study. You have to go through the methodology. They're saying double blind,”

placebo controlled. Okay, that's great. Gold standard chore, whatever. 30 people. Let me look at the graphs. You know, it's the graphs of the placebo and the pre and post-AG1 usage, statistically the bars are the same. Is the change in the gut-bought microbiome and in the room with us? No, it's not. Nothing. Oh, they pooped a little more. Well, I should hope so if you have fiber. If you were to raise the thing, if you want, if you want to like have a better gut, just have

some Greek yoga in the morning. It changed my life. Oh, you know, you want to help me more. Just kill me? You want me on a kill me? The line that said there was like an increase in these two strains of probiotics because it's an ingredient in AG1. Right. So they increased. They measured something that they were adding. Okay. Yes. That's like saying, we found we found corn in your poop, because you ate corn. That's so cool. I, that's the thing I get targeted with these like mushroom

coffee things or melatonin coffees or sleep coffee. Like it weird hot chocolate shillonins. It was a period when that was all they targeted me with and it didn't do shit. Okay. I do, I refuse to do it. I'm not paying $30 for like five hot chocolates. Go fuck yourself. Disgusting. Yeah. I spent four dollars on biotin and it didn't do anything for my nails.

“Okay. So here's the thing. Supplements are not regulated. So is the supplement that you're actually”

getting? Actually, the supplement in an efficacious amount. I don't fucking know if it doesn't know a cherry bland. It fits a proprietary blend. Like AG1 uses proprietary blend. You don't know how much of each thing is in there. You just don't. You don't. It's, listen. If you're going to have greens powder because you want to kickstart your day and you want to have like a healthy habit to start your day with, go off queen. I love that for you. But to call it clinically

backed, I find disingenuous. And I see this a lot in wellness. It's always, they are the ones that

back to the, the study, right? Like we, we see this a lot for the study. They paid for, I just was so good. All the fake mates said we're going to be the healthiest. We're going to be the best. We're going to get so good for you. And I was like, oh, who did the study? We did. Oh, did, did you do any studies that you didn't directly pay for? No. I want to be fair. They did publish and peer reviewed journals. And nine hours on times you are going to see people at least partially fund the study

because it's very hard, especially in this climate to get research funding for a truly independent

all. That's, you know, it's good to look at it holistically with making sure they have really good methodology and, you know, that their findings make fucking sense and based on their marketing. So like, if, if they were to be super honest about what they found, it would be like, you're not going to die from having a G1. And there's a potential that you might see some benefit. Well, I'm reading here that, yeah. What is a nutritional gap? Because it claims the

there is a nutrient, it helps. They demonstrate a statistically significant and positive impact

“on closing common nutrient gaps. This just means you didn't have enough of the nutrient?”

Yes. So it's like, oh, come on. So this is what else pisses me off. So that marketing site is just like the next gen of AG1 is clinically backed and then you scroll all the way down to the peer reviewed studies. And you're like, oh, look, look at these published peer reviewed studies. That is for the old formula of AG1 and all those statistics that you just saw on that. That's for the new formulation of AG1. Guess how many peer reviewed published studies they have on

that? Zero because they only have abstracts that have been presented. And like abstracts, like, I'm going through the abstracts and it's just like the sample sizes. I think the largest sample sizes, like 120 people, but most of them are like 24 people who are healthy. So is this kind of like,

okay FDA approval grift in wearables? Okay, first of all, wearables are not FDA approved. They are

“FDA cleared because we approved. That's what I mean. All right, now Victoria, go explain, sorry.”

Because it's a marketing thing. Basically, you're just saying that it's adhered to a certain degree of safety and protocols. So yes, you're going to be hit with a compliant if you're FDA cleared. You are going to have done some testing to make sure it's safe. And you only require this kind of clearance for class, I believe, class two medical devices or higher, class two means intermediate risk. Class three is just like, oh, there's a significant risk in using this. And

class one is like a tongue depressor. So you have some class one medical devices that are like the little stick that the doctor sticks in your mouth when you go in. Like that, that's a class one medical device in some cases. And those are just FDA listed. The, like class one FDA listed, class two, FDA cleared. And then you have stuff like drugs, which must be FDA approved. So there is like a nuance to those particular meanings. But with wearables to get the clearance

process, it's for stuff like screening, right? So like you get an AKG and it says, we're not diagnosing you with atrial fibrillation, but homeboy may be go to a doctor and see if these things make sense. That is a cleared generally, an FDA cleared feature. Because it's either a class that's a class

two feature basically is what they're saying. Now, if you don't want to do that because it's a

very expensive process, you just go, it's wellness. Well, this isn't regulated because it's for your information. Only education is fun. So we for a couple of months ago, they had this blood pressure feature that they came out and the way that this feature looked, it looked like it was telling you your sisterly and your, your, your diastolic and your systolic reading and telling you whether your blood pressure was high, medium or low. And the FDA was like, ha ha, no, you did not go through the

clearance process for this. You're telling people what their blood pressure is. And we was like, ha ha, no, this is a wellness feature. It's just for your education. This isn't meant to give you a reading and the FDA was like, um, it kind of looks like a reading. It kind of looks like you're giving a diagnostic judgment. So that needs to go through the clearance process. And then, uh, woof was like, ha ha, we disagree innovation. Um, yeah. And so then I just read a story on political today that

aura, the smart ring maker is now lobbying in Washington to get a third category of devices, like a separate third category of classification called digital health screeners that wouldn't go through the very cumbersome clearance process, but would, uh, be more legitimate. So, uh, yeah. That makes sense though. I don't know that with the aura. I don't know that that's going to

“make things clear or easier. I don't know. You know, I, like, I, I think, I think for the customer,”

for the, for the, for the consumer, we need a total radical rethinking of all of this because it's gotten completely like the plot. I think that these, I think for the companies making a third

device that's like here are things that can identify, but should never ever be taken by themselves

should always be used in context with the doctor like the aura ring or the root band for blood pressure. I'm like that kind of makes sense. It's just the line is already blurry. I'm not hating enough

uh, not the blood pressure, the blood oxygen reading on your Apple Watch. What is that? Is that FDA

“cleared? Or is that, um, wellness? I think that anything that measures your body should have to be”

far more rigorously checked because I have a different reading on my aura ring, my Apple Watch, my headphones, everything seems different. If I was relying on this information for anything other than punishing myself, I would be very worried. Like, if I was sick in some way. Oh yeah. Also,

aura, this whole aura being able to check if I'm sick thing, it is never quarter.

It has been caught when I was really depressed once. I'm sorry. I shouldn't. I shouldn't have offered that. What did you say? It's terrible. No, it just, it's, I got it. I got a note. I like, I'm, I'm in bed at 2 o'clock in the afternoon because you know, depressed, sleeping. And I get a note and it's like, oh, you're having major symptoms. I'm like, yeah, no, shit, sir. Look, I haven't gotten out of bed today. Thank you for joining. But like, it just said by temperatures. It's

caught when I was coming down with something once and then it caught when I was incredibly anxious another time. I was just like, oh, you think I'm sick? Well, I'm sick with anxiety. I'm just like, I was one time. I'm just, I'm just freaking. I love it. I loved it. When it was like, no, you're definitely sick. And I'm like, no, I'm just depressed. But honestly, thank you. Thank you for seeing depression as an illness or a surgery. You were just like, it was an intentional

“surgery. That's what I got out of bed. And that's great, too. Yeah, but that was because it said”

you need to stand up. Pretty much. I got like the text and I was like, oh, time to get out of my, no, every time I see that note being like, you need to stand up. I genuinely want to fuck off

every time. How dare you. My arms goes with my arms. I've never seen it. No, I'm currently standing up

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think that these companies should be in prison, all of them for doing that stuff. The AI companies

“using these things as promises to help you get healthier, mentally, physically, and everything in”

between is such garbage, because like let me tell you something. You know what I've been doing for a while now. I've been messing with these AI guys. I love to have a chat with. I love to be like, hey, this is what's going on in my life. How are we doing? How are you feeling? You talk to the chat

ball in this guy? Oh yeah, I love always in like the incognito. So that it only saves a little bit of it.

And then every time it tells me to do something and when I go back and tell it the next time in chat, it's forgotten. And I love it. Highly recommend incognito mode. But it's terrible advice. The advice is consistently terrible. The advice is consistently like treat yourself better. And it's like, I haven't gotten out of bed in three days. And it's like, you're 2 in 0. I love, I mean, I have, I've gotten out of bed in three days. Doing great. But like, you know, you'd say something,

you'd say something really extreme like that of like, clearly you're not doing okay. And it's like, hey, it happens to all of us. You just sit in bed for another week. And you're like, what? No. What are we doing? That's bad advice. So it's just the kind of shit advice you

could get from literally anyone. Oh, I, I had to thought about feeling better when I felt

“sad. I though, I've been deliberately feeling sad more because I thought that's what would make”

me feel better. Thank you, chat, GPT. It's just fucking, ah, and I thought we were asking you asking for your, you're like, okay, I want to work on my fitness. V gives much better advice. Think about every single time. Like, me, that's what your, your, your optimizer, like, fancy lines should be. I don't know what those are called. Tagline. But it needs to just be, yeah, tagline. Your tagline needs to be better advice than Claude or OpenAI. What did you see?

The chat GPT ad for running. When it was like, no, it was like, here's some running advice. And one of it's like, run with someone else. So you're accountable. Run three times a week. It's like fucking hell. I'm so glad we are spending $50,000 a GPU on this bullshit. There was a, yeah, it was like, you can just get that by Google. There was a Wall Street Journal article about Runa, which is in it. They market themselves as an AI powered running app. And they were acquired

by Strava last year. If you're on running talk at all, you've probably seen people talk about Runa. It's massively popular. And the Wall Street Journal article was hilarious, because it's like, people are getting injured using this because they listen to the AI. And like, I've used Runa. And I have a very hard time sticking with that out because I find the program way too aggressive. So they came out with like a new mode. That's like, hey, we made it less aggressive because a lot

of you were getting injured and complaining. And I was like, ha ha. It's almost like to use Runa properly. You also have to know when to ignore it, which is not the point of what they say. AI should be. So I also hate AI in fitness. Well, I mean, yes. It's also like the thing with fitness is even with a good routine, even with a good, like I have had to, I did the same routine for a year. I've had to pair it back because I kept getting injured because I'm getting older.

Like you actually have to be able to like know when you already feels that's the worst part of it is yeah, you like you want it to be like a trainer and it can talk to you. Yeah, it can give you that things. But the trainer is going to go, hey, I noticed you went really hard today and your knees and flamed. Maybe a good trainer for the rest of the night. A bad trainer will be like,

no, no, no, okay. I've had trainers see that every single one. But AI is always going to be a

best. Yes, because it's not going to see it, right? It's, I mean, they keep, they keep saying that they're going to make it better. I've yet to test an AI coach that I feel would give me the advice that I actually need. I have to, I have to sit there with myself and be like, oh, how are we feeling today in our body? Where are we feeling pain? Should I push it? I could push it. But what's my goal? You know, I got to have this conversation with myself and how many of these

constantly AI coaches that you see are like actually programmed from the ground up to help with this and how many are just large language models with, you like the aura one, right? Where it's just kind of like the large language model with a little bit of fanciness slapped on it. So you're like, oh, I'm not going to get it. Most of them are just capped in obvious, well, of course, promise. They're just prompts though, because you can't really, for you to do a trainer that was

a specialized dilemma, you would have to have a shit ton of words and like above.

“There's also fucking chatty too. I'm just like, Jesus Christ, you need to like give me several”

less paragraphs about like, I don't, I don't need this shit. And then you'll tell them, like, please stop being so chatty, please be more concise. And they're like, oh, yeah, okay, I got it.

gently push back on your plans for your exercising routine. I just want to get that. We have different AI's, but clearly, but like, it's just, um, what just caught so nice. So good. I refuse to let them be nice to me. I say they are not allowed to be complimentary beyond one person. I'm only allowed to get one of that because complimenting from these dipshit bots. I'm using incognito mode. It remembers nothing. Right. It is incredible. So you can, you'll tell it anything.

It's going to forget from the next time. So you never program it. So Claude is always just like,

hey, friend, I'm just like that one person who just sort of smiles and nods at you a lot. And like, that's not very helpful. I mean, I don't know that. It's not very helpful. I don't, I don't, I don't love it from like a useful, this standpoint. I love it as like a sociological experiment. Does that make sense? I don't love to play with it and kind of be like, oh, what are you trying here? What are you shopping to accomplish? But nine times out of ten,

it does not actually help me. Every time I've had AI help, try to help me with fitness, try to help me with sleeping better, try to help me with writing. Garbage. Garbage. Because you're always getting regressed to the mean and when it comes to health, well, then we're going to go against the wellness versus the, the medical thing again because if they're giving you diagnostic advice, they could be liable for that so they're only going to give you the most generic regression

to the mean wellness advice that applies to everyone and is common sense and it's like, well, if it's common sense, well, I didn't fucking need you to tell me it's common sense that

“I like, that's why a lot of the AI fitness is just regurgitated book reports. It's, it's the AI”

going like, hey girl, you ran 3.1 miles today in this time. That's faster than your other time. And yay, that's not what I need from you. Thank you, Pablo, my cat is screaming at me, but um, yeah.

Yeah, I just, I would never tell these things anything about myself. I just, like, I've naturally

that my autism screen, I built into my brain just for a few, it's just like I cannot trust. I would never tell a website my secrets. Oh, I get that. I get that. I get that. And sometimes I just do. No, that's fine. I'm like, you know what? Let's hope you never leave the incognito mode stuff. Let's hope you're real. Yeah, I mean, you ain't a remote, unless you're just like, I'm Alex Crans. Let me tell you what I'm like. Hi, my name's Alex Crans. Hello,

hi, Alex Crans. Look me up real fast. Okay, now let's chat. And yeah, I just also with fitness, with like for this being a big part of my life for the last few years, especially in it's like, the best advice I've got from is from regular people who've been like, you're going too hard, or just stop heart hurting yourself. That's the biggest thing, not like I'm self-homing, but like,

I would push myself too far. It would always be like my, my wrist hurts. It's like,

well, if you tried not fucking boxing, dickhead, and it's like, I don't think Chad GPD would say,

“mostly it's like friends of mine being like, yeah, you need to rest because in my, I don't know,”

being a little person of here. In my hand, I'm like, I should trade more. I should lose weight. Like, I'd push myself quite hard. A large language model telling me anything about that isn't going to help, partly because I'll be like, I'm not a website. There's not impressed me. Like, I don't trust your judgment. And also, most of the time, the mean advice around lifting is dog shit. I'm so sorry, but the best lifting advice I've ever got was lift volume, not heavy. And then people will be like,

oh, I like lifted everything's putting back down. It's fine, but it's like, does not work for a lot of people, I've met. Oh, people. I mean, you're, you're not in the church of CrossFit progress of overload. Ah, what is that? Just, what does, what I know about CrossFit, but I, I saw how they do pull ups and I just stop listening to them. I'm okay. Like, I'm not going to shit on CrossFit. They do some, it's very hard. Oh, I have humor in it. It's a philosophy of working out that is very

different from a lot of other things. There we go. And is it? It's really all about pushing yourself to your physical limits, which, for some people, that can be a really useful thing. If you are over the age of 35, maybe be careful because you're going to hurt your ears. I mean, and it's like under the age of 35, third of your CrossFit has like, it's because it's a franchise and so each CrossFit gym can be very different. I think there's like a million different CrossFits out there and it

depends on which CrossFit person you know in your life as to what CrossFit, they do. Some of them do the Marjorie Taylor, a green version of CrossFit. Some of them do a much more reasonable version of it.

“I love her little pull-up. They're like, I think they're called keeping pull-up. Yeah, that's what we're saying.”

Those, those weird CrossFit, the ones where you're just like, I'm going to break my fucking neck.

And you'd be told, no, because that's like not being able to do a pull-up.

“That's what it looks like. Because that's what it looks like. It's an interesting, it's an interesting look.”

But yeah, no, so it's, it's the, the other thing that I'm going to back to the hate. It's, it's like, let's thoughtfulness, more hate. Um, I hate wellness influencers. Like not every wellness influencer. There's some that are like not horrible and who actually talk about science and are quite responsible and like thoughtful in there. Well, in this content, they are not the majority. The majority is just like, oh my god, I drink 81 every day and I have so much energy now or they'll be like,

oh my god, kind of what I eat in a day and it's just disorder eating or, you know, the protein,

protein, protein, protein max. And it's like, well, protein is nice, but you do need to eat your

other macros. And, uh, or, you know, it's just these little nuggets of science or nutritional, like best practices that get buried with disorder eating habits that get buried with pseudo science that are just like not that helpful for people to know, but it sounds real and then, you know, because they are your parents, social friend, a lot of people start to trust them and then they start doing stupid things in their life and these, these are all people who are just generally

by and large, mis or underserved by the health care system. They don't want to go to a doctor who's

“going to dismiss their pain for the resilience time because that's the only thing that's affordable”

in their insurance network, but I just really hate that one influencers, whether they mean to or not, I'm sure some of them are well-meaning, whatever. They are profiting off of your discomfort and your search for something that's more affordable. I hate that because a lot of them don't take the time to do their due diligence and so they're taking sponsored money from these powders that you don't need objectively, but saying, oh my god, this is how I cure it everything holistically,

because I have to eat clean, what does eating clean? What goes that? Wash your fucking vegetable. What does eating clean mean? I'm just eating healthy, but they're like, I eat clean, I don't eat processed foods, I don't eat sugar, I don't eat this, and you know, you should sugar in moderation is fine. You want to eat sugar? Yeah, there's no everyone eating sugar or it's people who say like, oh my god, fruit has a high glycemic index,

so it's bad for you. It's a fucking fruit. It's fine. I once had a doctor, I was with a diabetic

patient who's a family member, and I was once with them, and the doctor was like, they could never

eat a banana, and I was like, what if their blood sugar is low? No, with that they can't eat a banana, and I'm like, okay, so they just die? They can eat a banana, they just shouldn't eat it if their blood sugar is high, or they're not thinking about it. Who is this culpable? Is it these fitness influencers? Or is it the entire industry, including the Google's and the YouTube's and the internet industry? I actually think it's one abstraction higher, which ties into AI as well,

which is everyone wants a simple solution. They want to work out a way to lose weight that is not working out consistently in eating less calories, though I realize it's not even as flat as that, because everyone's body is kind of different. They want something that will give them a quick answer without them learning anything. They want the fitness plan that will tell them something they

“don't want to eat, though. It's called GLP1. I think GLP1 is fucking robbs.”

I think when it's used right, and when it's used right, you know what, if it's someone for weight loss and they're using it with the instruction of a doctor, things great. Like it's just as long as you're not just like, I don't know, getting it illegally off of TikTok and illegally, it's probably not the time. Well, that's GLP3. Well, now you can also go get compounded versions of GLP1, which are, it'll do be a state at this point in time, because it used to be okay to compound it,

and then when there was a shortage, the FDA allowed that, and then once the shortage ended, they were like, no, no, no. So then these compounding pharmacies started altering the formula a little bit, adding a little bit of vitamin B12, or just different components in it, so that they weren't like carbon copies of what the pharmaceutical companies were like, hey, hey, this is copyrighted, fuck off. But you know, like, that's also in of itself a problem, because a

lot of why are people going to these compounding pharmacies for their GLP1s, it's because insurance companies make you fit a very narrow criteria, even though it could potentially help you with a number of different things. Like, we have to understand that GLP1s are very recent for non-diabetic use. Like, there's not a whole lot of data out there, right? For not not not a year, but it's like

very long time, and I think we're about at what a decade, 15 years on GLPs, less for the, for the

“Mangeros and all that stuff. But it's like, you know, we don't, the vast majority of the clinical”

studies that have been done on these medications have been on obese or diabetic populations. We don't know what a bodybuilder who is just taking this to, like, optimize themselves. We don't know what the impact on their bodies will be. We find some promising research with people with PCOS and fatty liver disease, which I have thought of those, which is why my doctor is also like, you know, GLP makes sense for you in the metabolic dysfunction that you have. So it's not that doctors aren't

using these in the arsenals to treat people who fit certain criteria. But there are people who could help, who could benefit from it, who don't fit these arbitrary insurance criteria. And so we have created this market, this alternative market for them to go to, that can be fine in some spaces. If you do your research and you do your vetting and you find a legitimate compound pharmacy that follows the rules, or you could get it from some great market guy named Bob Bow, Tim B. And I don't

know what you're putting in your body. So you're like, we're creating these things because we have made things so restrictive, so bad. And then we are monetizing the alternative solution, which is,

you know, ultimately giving a lot of health anxiety to people because why should they have to

track their pee to know their hydration? Just look at the color of your pee. I don't know, like, you know, instead of putting the systemic things in place, I could help people with their health and marketing these ass tools. It's like, all of a sudden, oh, you can get your blood test because maybe you live in a rural area and you don't have time to go to the doctor. So we'll or we'll get your blood test for you. And now you can track your metabolites and your blood in the aura app with

no doctor's advice. With no doctor's advice, well, you could ask maybe the AI in the app or whatnot. And it's not just aura. There's a lot of companies that are kind of pursuing this line. And it comes from a place of like, yes, there is a gap in the health care system traditionally. We're trying to fill that gap. And there are some people who that will help. I'm not going to lie and say that there's no people that that could benefit. But at the same time, the vast majority of healthy people don't

need that they don't need that health anxiety in their life. But we're just putting it on them because it's like, well, if you don't you're going to die. And so it's just like, I, I would love for there to be more common sense and wellness. I would love us to have responsible conversations

“about whether or not you need to track x, y, 70 bio markers. You don't need to track 70”

fucking biomarkers. You really don't. That data will not help you. It won't. It won't. I have a kind of like, have you guys done it? Like, because I'm just curious, is it like when you go and you would pay to give someone all of your genetic materials so they could test it to find out whether or not like, who your family was, right? Like your family. We call it longevity tech, which is just another word for fucking bullshit. Sorry, uh, wellness. Oh yeah. But like, it's this weird,

you know, who is the bloody barreness who's bathing in the blood of virgins to appear younger and live longer? It's the same kind of fear from Silicon Valley where they're like, we are definitely afraid of death, so longevity tech. And you can optimize your life and you can study all these metrics about yourself. And then you'll be able to live a better health your life without having to go to the doctor as often. And it's just like, there's a lot of problems with this narrative.

And you have Mahako at co-adopting it in some ways. I've seen health tech become weirdly right wing over the last couple of weeks and months when I'm just like, I don't know how I feel about this. I don't know how I feel about our SK Junior going like every American wear wearable. I'm just like, um, I'm just like bullshit. We can't know everything. There is a little mystery. And also, even knowing all of this stuff doesn't do anything. I've said this before. I have four years

of sleep day out. If not more. And I cannot tell you anything. Other than generally, I sleep about seven and a half hours. No, I'm, um, that's my actual secret to all of this. The only reason I can put a 10,000 words a week is I sleep seven and a half to eight hours a night without fail. I prioritize sleep. And it's funny because it's like of all the fitness things, sleep, supplement that, sorry, different supplements. I've tried weird tricks, sleep. I don't even mean it in like a facetious

way. It just mean like, yeah, this, it's the one thing I can be like, yeah, when I do that,

“I feel better when I don't sleep. I feel way worse. Yeah. I mean that, that's why they say sleep”

diet and exercise. It just always boils down to like, those three things. And yes, there are conditions

yeah, all the diet part is going to be a little harder for you. And there are treatments for that,

that makes sense. But it fundamentally will always boil down to sleep, diet, that exercise.

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feeps.com or the Veeps app. I also want to be clear about something though, because it was lost earlier. We've had emails about it.

“I think it's fun. There were some people I've got emails from. I forget when it was brought”

up in the past, where it's like, oh, the judgment of people used GLP to lose weight. I think it's fucking, I've had weight issues in my whole life. I think however people want to lose weight, as long as it's done in a safe manner, as long as it's done. I think it's fun. It's absolute magic. It's fucking good. I love it. It makes sense. As long as it's not depriving diabetics of getting the things they need, that's the one thing. As long as the

diabetics and people with metabolic issues who need it to survive are having it and we don't have a shortage. It's really great for me. It's like, oh, I talked about it. I call it the wing index. We said to hear about this before. There's something called the wing in talk about. The wing. How many wings do you eat before you were on a GLP one versus how many do you eat after? Because some of us like V&I were talking, I was like a 15 wing girlie. Now I'm a six and I look at that. I'm like,

that's sad, but then I'm like, was 15 good? It knows delicious. Yeah, I was good. I was going to say,

“it was the best thing in the world. Do I miss the wing index? No. My wing index was four and now it's”

half of one. That's not great. I'm having a different, I'm having a different experience with real peace and crances. It's different. And also, I didn't want to be on one. I was told to

to fix the metabolic dysfunction and reverse some negative trends in my liver. So that was like a very lengthy conversation I had with my doctor over three four months. So, you know, it was a informed decision to go on it. And then as soon as I went on it, I started having

“clown nightmares and that was not fun. And I did not realize that's why I had nightmares. But yeah,”

apparently GLP one can create really vivid nightmares early on. I thought I was just having a moment vetoed being. And I was like, oh, I thought it was not a specific. Oh, no, I had a dream that my spouses ex was chasing me on a cruise ship with a knife and I was like, this bitch is crazy. And then she turned into Pennywise the clown from it. And I was like, oh, no, she really crazy. And then I woke up almost screaming. And apparently it's because like a small percentage of people

who take GLP ones have crazy dreams on them. And like I was on the intro dose when I was getting these side effects. And my doctor was like, you know, most people don't get side effects on the intro dose. You are special girl. And I was like, oh, cool. Great. So you're telling me that food version is not normal on the intro dose because I can't look at food sometimes. And it's it's a very, it's a very troubling. This is why I like the doctor I've had for the last few

years in Vegas because I don't get any of this normal people. I don't hear about the mean on the media. And I just did, he doesn't try and pretend that I am like similar to other people, because I am not like it. And most of the time, it's just me being like, is this bad? And he's like, no, it's, I feel like the entire problem of everything we're talking about in these conversations is this trying to push everybody towards the mean trying to make everyone like everyone else.

In a way that's literally, like, not, like, I feel like the mean is also a terrible way to do health in general, just the amount of food. We're not, homogeneic society, right? Like we're all different. Everybody's got different things. Some people got hard issues. Some people got fatty

livers. Some people got the diabetes. Sorry. I'm of an age. The babies. I will always think of him

every single time. Mr. Brimley. Yeah, Mr. Brimley. And, you know, everybody is a little different and when we don't allow for that, when we, when these fitness influencers and these, these companies push things and say, this is going to fix you, that's, it's a flat out lie because they don't know and they can't promise that and they shouldn't. And like, I know we, we're kind of going all through it. I still get really upset with the companies like Google who are profiting enormously

off of this stuff. They have no issue, just raking in billions in cash from advertisers and from these influencers and from viewpoints, just to make a book. They're just like, yeah, this is just an industry. You are the product found. I think that, I hate that you are the product. Now, your attention is a product. Your body is a product. Everything about you is being monetized to be a product. And it's like, ah, you don't do the buying anymore. You are the data. Like,

smart glasses. Why do they want to put cameras on these smart glasses so that they can get

data from the camera? Why do they want everybody always view wants to like record their first

person point of view? Of course. Which looks like a commercial set. It looks like it's like boiled ass. Every, here's a hate to moment. I think the, the video from those things looks weird. I think it looks strange. I don't like it. I feel like I'm sitting on top of somebody's head.

“I mean, what do you are? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I know. I know that's why. Like, it's,”

but that's not a less feeling. I don't want to be a Ratatoe. Just like the vertical video, wasn't attractive, right? Like, when I were all used to vertical video. I like this. I like my 69 situations. Yeah. Yeah. I think around you. I want a classic wired frame. Yeah. It's just, I'm, I am really, I do think we're going to like, I know one, no one fucking believes me, but I do think a lot of this stuff is going to go away the moment they

realize how actually expensive it is to run this ship. And on top of the fact that just, no one's really making any money out of this AI health stuff because where's the product? It's like, yeah, I also product. Yeah. But like, you know, but they don't know how to productize it from that. They don't know how to like, make a ton of money from that. Evidence being that nobody

“has made a ton of money from that. Even Claude Code, the supposedly most important thing ever that”

is him. Only about a hundred million dollars a month in revenue. Andrew Huperman probably

makes that from various snake oils he boils in his, he's garage. I think about health. The thing

Cosia Cortes said something around along these lines. Several years ago, it stuck in my brain where it's just like, you will most people, unless, you know, most people, right? Will

basically do anything to live a little bit longer. That's rich people. That's poor people.

Nobody wants to die. I mean, like, there's a few select, there's a select few who court deaths for whatever reason. But most people don't want to die. They want just a little bit more time. And so health is your most valuable possession that you have. It's priceless because as

“soon as your health goes, your quality of life goes. And I think companies know this and they know”

if they can scare you. If they can fear longer you into saying, we have a solution so that you will live longer. People will pay out the nose for that. And they're just waiting to get that thing that will be like, oh, you will do this. Like, smart watches, when it was just counting your steps, didn't fucking matter. They were having hard time getting people to buy those things. The

fashion Apple Watch edition. Yeah, that didn't work either. But as soon as the Apple Watch was like,

we'll save your life if you have a cardiac event. People sort of buying them. They started coming to say, yeah, that was kind of cool though. Like, they could do the EKG thing. But I'm sure that they're something bad. I would argue Apple is a big reason why we have this. I mean, obviously, there's like the Alex Jones and the Joe Robins of the world and everything like that. And the whole like influencer economy and love to push through your protein powders. But a big part

of this was Apple back at, this is my hate or section. A big part of this was Apple. When Apple came out, they launched that watch. It did fuck all. Nobody knew what to use it for. I had one, I called it my great regret. Capital letters every single time. Even when I said it out loud. And that was because it was useless. And they were, they were desperate to find a use for it. They found a use with the EKG stuff. And it was a genuinely useful thing.

People started buying it for that reason. I cannot tell you how many people I know who bought a watch for an elderly parent so that they could have that extra safety net. And now they're like, okay, well, we still have to make money off of this. But we already did that and we have to grow. And we have to keep growing. If we don't grow, we don't grow, we die. And so what do they do? They push further into wellness. In places where Apple and a lot of these

companies have zero business being. And they're doing it exclusively because they're like, we need new markets to sell our products at that. I will say Apple is much more responsible in the wellness space than other. They do a lot in clinical research. They are very clear about what their products do and don't do. I do not hate Apple as much in this space as other. No, that's kind of more snake oily, which McCallot. They did they kick it off. They kicked off

the advanced health features. But like, that's, again, here's the difference. Here's the distinction. Health features versus wellness features. They're different. They're different. There's a different grade. Didn't Apple, one of the ones who did push wellness because some of their features couldn't weren't immediately approved weren't being like, yeah, they just weren't approved. And so they were like, oh, this is a wellness feature initially. It was more like, they were,

“they, I wouldn't say it was them that were the first ones because EKG, I think was the first time”

we saw like a big difference. Yeah. In terms of like the alerts, anything that is diagnostic, they very much go through the, it's not diagnostic. But anything that's diagnosed like a Jason, they will go through the clearance process for. But again, to answer the question I asked you guys earlier, blood oxygen, that's a wellness feature because there's nothing that you do with that information. It's just a spot check. It's not telling you that you sleep up near it. It's not telling

you that you have anything. It is for your fun that you get to see that what your blood oxygen is and so that is a wellness feature. And okay, Apple lists a lot of time and effort and lawsuits to put into their watches and are now aren't they still embroiled in a lawsuit about it? They're still embroiled in a lawsuit about it, but they're no longer banned from importing it. So, you know, you can still have those features on the thing. But you know,

blood oxygen, I don't think is that useful of a metric. If you need it, just get a pulse looks in there. I don't think a smart watch is, you know, I've had some readers tell me that they

“find it useful for their parents with respiratory issues. But I just think you should have a pulse”

look senator because of this is going to be a gruesome story. But when my mom was dying, like actually the day she died, it was because she was having respiratory failure from ALS. Her lungs were

paralyzed basically and she couldn't breathe and get enough oxygen into them. So her blood

oxygen was dropping rapidly and you know, I had the pulse oximeter and she was getting to a point where her blood saturation levels were like in the high 40s to low 60s, which is death time because anything under 90 you're supposed to go to hospital. So, you know, that was my family's full of doctors. So, this was supervised, right? My family's full of doctors and they all knew

She thought the pulse oximeter couldn't possibly be saying 48 because that meant death. So I was like,

well, I got up a watch. Let me put this on my diary mother and tell me and let me tell you it couldn't read it. There was no reading. You could have did it. Did it put up an emoji or anything? No, it just was like,

“it just said it couldn't get a reading and you know, put it on it immediately said, you should try”

standing. Yeah, I mean, like this is not a story that I frequently tell, just because it's it's a sad story and then I'm also just like, I feel guilt because I'm just like, oh, I put an apple watch on my mom. You know, no, no bullshit. You tried to, you tried to confirm something. You actually tried and you tried to confirm. Also, your mother was dying. You could have done anything in that. Like, you reacted more normally than I would if such a thing was happening. I had

my, don't worry. I reacted not normally later that night. Again, completely forgivable. But yeah, yeah, kind of to yourself. The now I was just very much like, well, what are the opportunities for wearables tester to be with someone who is very identifiably below 90 in terms of a pulse oxygenator and to see whether this feature actually works on someone who is so low and my finding was, no, this is why you need a pulse oxygenator because if you are so of a new

US to worry about that, you shouldn't really rely on a smartwatch. Well, clearly calm. It's just the same with like, it was good to say, same dark story, similar to dark, but my mom's still alive, but she had a stroke and had to go in a heart monitor and she was like, well, why can't I just use my apple watch because it's got a fib detection and they were like, because it's a garbage heart rate monitor. You need one like over your heart. We want to see every beta that thing, your wearables

aren't going to do that and your mind was blown and she hated it. It's only for it. It's only for healthy people with a baseline. That's all these wearables are. It's just establishing what

“your baseline is and accuracy is actually not the most important things for most wearables. It's”

consistency. So if it's consistently inaccurate by the same amount, you can still use it to judge changes in your baseline. But yeah, obviously I live and breathe the ship. So I get really mad when I see influencers just talking out their fucking ass about clinically back this. It's like it's clinically proven. Nothing's clinically proven. Really proven. I mean, shit. It's a marketing term. Especially, you know, I actually interviewed a doctor and I was just like,

what is clinically, whatever meant? And then she was just like, there's a whole wide range of what clinically backed or clinically tested means. It could be in certain cases depending on how a study is designed. It could be someone just self-reporting their results in a scientific setting and that is technically clinical. So, you know, next time you hear clinically validated, clinically proven and marketing materials, I want you to put your little thinking cap on and go,

but is it really? Is it really what is that string? What does that mean? What are they actually

studying? How are they validating this thing? Like, I just want you to take the extra critical thinking

step and just don't go like, wow, science words. Like, that's that's all I want for people to, to next time you see an influencer in a Lulu lemon set going, oh my god, this green spot are as clinically prevalent to healthier cognition. No. Well, that's not what clinically that whole four humors thing we've been seeing, right? Where everybody's talking about your cortisol and all your other different hormones. And if I hear one more time, I hear one more,

someone talking about inflammation. I was like, if it was this easy to release our cortisol, no one would have stress. Like, you know how you get rid of cortisol, lower your cortisol levels, levels, be less stressed and exercise. That's it. That was that I've been getting random itching when I fall asleep and I've read so many things like, yeah, maybe your stress, it's like, cool, thank you. Or maybe you have dry skin, moisturized, do you moisturize it? Yeah, I do like that.

I do and it doesn't work, so I mean, it's probably something fun and someone's going to email me. If you email me and say it's like, just I just want to be clear, any listeners who email and try and diagnose me, I don't want to fucking know and I'm going to blast you. Everyone email if you email me, you can email me any kind of diagnosis, I must be fucking clear. I will,

“I will light you up like a Christmas tree. And on that note, I think we can call it there as we've”

had a wonderful hate session. Victoria's song, of course, from the verge of Victoria always

a pleasure to have you. Thank you for having me. I hate everything. And Alex Grans love having you too.

did I did I get my hate up? That was great. The hateometer I've got going is absolutely losing it.

“But this was lovely. Thank you everyone for listening. This has been lovely. You'll have”

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