Critical Darlings: One Battle After Another And Oscar Predictions with David Sims

Welcome to Critical Darlings, a conversation about the award season conversation.

One contender at a time. [MUSIC] Please welcome to the stage, your hosts, Richard Lawson, and Alison Wilmore. [APPLAUSE] Marie, thank you for that beautiful introduction, one last time before the Oscars we are going to need it.

I know, we're here as ever we're here with our producer Ben, hello. Hello, good morning. And returning guests, one of few returning guests. I'm back. David Sims, hello.

I'm good. Oh, sorry. Hello. [LAUGHTER] How are you?

Good question. This coax here, I'm waking up.

“I mean, we're all, I think, a little worse for the way, given that, you know,”

we've been running this long Oscar race for months now. It's exactly the same. Why is it so weird? Why is it so weird? Why is it like, 70 degrees outside of my cellar?

Yeah, it Olympics.

But the Olympics are over.

They are. They've been over. They do weeks ago. I have no other answers. Yeah, because it is that you used to be at a march.

And then they were like, okay, we know this is ridiculous. And they pulled it to end of February. But then they were like, except for if there's a Olympics. And like, put the parasite year was like early February. Right, remember that's what we need.

We need early February. I think we are awesome. I don't ever want to hear the word. I'm not. No.

No. I mean, we are off. I was expecting this to happen sooner. But I feel like this last week or so. We have gotten a bit of just Oscar season too long madness, where we're like, we're

been very, very bad discourses about various nominees. You don't want to talk about these movies anymore. Right. You don't want to talk about the sort of right fit, like you run out of things to say about the movies.

“And so then you're just like, what are we going to keep talking about?”

Let's talk about how Jesse Buckley feels about cats, you know, and you're like, "And not the musical cats," which would also be an interesting topic. Should I go off from the ring? It's like in Grand Theft Auto, if you commit one to many crimes, like, all the police are on you.

Right. Right. That's what it feels like right now. It's like every single thing that is said or done about this year's Oscars, how does this suit you on?

No trouble. No trouble. I guess he was in Wuthering Heights. Some people will. Yeah.

That's a trouble. I think it is. He has made me into a kind of aloof. He's done a good job. Pen.

This is true. He's a little bit more likely. Yeah, not too long. I know. Some pan, he's too old.

Win just by being like, yeah. Yeah. And I feel like people actually somewhat seem to receive his smoking during the Golden Globes, with mild positivity. Spoking his back is making it come back up clean.

So he's really just ahead of the curve in that way. Leo too, I guess. Leo has also just the kind of thing of like, "Don't mind me." Yeah. Here I am.

I'm more insulated, I think, from Oscar discourse than the rest of you. But even the cats thing and then the shallony thing, or the two pieces that sort of crossed into my universe, it's gay to containment in this way. Were those? Where does that stuff come from?

Are those hit jobs? Like, or is it?

So I mean, I feel like it is always an interesting question to be like, is this off a

research, you know, like being done, being planted because, you know, like, from the wine steam era when there was that started to become a thing ever since then, I feel like

“you have to scrutinize Oscar narratives to be like, was this planted by opposing forces.”

In this case, I have no idea, though. I mean, like, like, shallony, I don't know why. I mean, some of these shallony, I basically was like, I don't want the movies to become like opera or ballet. These, like, we're doing the main scores.

Yeah, no, they're not doing it. We have to do it. We have to do it. You know, implying that these are just like, now, like, incredibly niche art forms that are quoted by the well-known voice.

That's where I was from. Yeah. Is this controversial? Is there someone to say? No.

But apparently, then, I guess, like, he is also, this is not the first time he has voiced this. Because the child of, like, Lincoln's centered. Well, this is this case. But definitely probably the twice a week. Opening a website story, you can see him being born.

It was in the background. Like, yeah, it was an unusual choice. The problem was in the recent thing with Matthew McConaughey, which was some bizarre town hall. Well, what the hell that was?

He, he said the phrase, no one cares about. Right, right. And then he's like, so that was the thing. And then also, that then led people to dig up. Like, when he said things like this before in, like, 2019, where I think he called

them, you start to feel like those are dying art forms. And so that got brought up again. And I was like, I feel like the thing is, like, half of the people that I saw getting very happy about this. Be on the fact that I'm just like, I don't believe that any of you go to see the

ballet or the opera with any regularity. It's not expensive. It's not expensive. It's not expensive. It's not expensive.

It is made. It's proper. I want to be clear. I love the opera. I don't go to enough ballet.

I must say I will admit, but I was like, no, no, but I mean, I think, I don't think anyone is disputing the importance of these art forms and the fact that they have been influential.

And I'm like, oh, he has a point that these things are really walled off and, like, there is a legitimate concern. Yes, that, like, cinnamon becomes like just this thing that is like a kind of novelty art form that most people are not actually connected to art. Well, it's like a legacy art. Yeah.

That's like, we know this is important. It has a long history. Yes, there's new versions of it. Yeah. They don't culturally have the significance.

“I mean, do you know how many, how, I mean, the attendance at my volunteer is, like, so low these days?”

I'm not doing good shows. Yeah, I'm telling you, though, some of that material is a thousand dollar date. It price does kind of, uh, put people off. Is it a coincidence that a lot of this stuff kind of came out at the end of the voting period? I mean, the money thing about the shallomade discourse is that it cut fire

basically after it mattered, like the voting, I think it closed.

It was like the last day of voting. It was the last day of voting, so it's hard to imagine that had any significant effect on the voting. Like, like, there just wasn't time. The vibe had already shifted because people think the vibe has shifted because he didn't win the baffter of the sack.

And so I feel like people were like, I mean, this is, you know, the latest evidence of the vibe shifting when it's not necessarily. We're going to do predictions later in the episode, but like just as a little preview, I think that like vibe shift on shallomade is a bit of a mystery of what happened at baffter.

I sangly agree. We can get into that later, but I think a lot of people online are maybe, and I don't want to like assume broad ignorance of like Oscar voting schedules, but like, I think they maybe don't quite understand that like voting ended last week and that like, no, the bride is not going to norbit Jesse Buckley

because the movie wasn't out until voting was done.

“You know, I mean, maybe I should just think everyone should be normative.”

- We already know it. - It's been normative. It's a verb.

It means release something annoying in the month before your Oscar,

your expected Oscar win. - Yeah, I mean, it's also like it's speaks to the power of cinema that you could release something so off-putting that it's retroactively hurt the performance you did, you know, over like two years ago. - Yeah, yeah.

- I love that. I mean, I feel like I mostly of the time to me discourse has been like, people have just been looking at him too long. So I had to have been too much to me and it is constantly be like, I am sick of this guy.

- So Mikey Madison will be presenting the actor, right? She will for a Nora. And the winner's name is going to be written on a pink paper with cute little hand. - That thing, right, with a little, with a little curse.

- Yeah. - And what if she opens it up and it's best actor goes to opera? And there's a surprise win. And they're just like the killer of a swan. - Yeah, I don't know.

- I mean, you're real twist. - It's just, I think it's more just a little annoying that it's like if he loses people will be like, yeah, well, 'cause he just the ballet, you don't do that.

“And it'll be like, no, I don't think that's why he lost”

or ready to do that. - No, I think it probably would have almost zero bearing on it. - Yeah. - If, you know, I look, I'm glad that like apparently, you know, opera and ballet companies,

the world over the nation over have been like kind of piggybacking on this. - It's so nice. - Like use offer code, like Shalame or whatever. - No, that's actually the thing I think that actually happens.

And it's like, okay, great. Like, if you know, a rising tide lifts all boats in that way. I mean, I was joking on Twitter or whatever that was like, my parents are big. They love the fathom events, like broad casts of like

the map opera, 'cause it's like a way more affordable way to see the opera and they don't let me know. And I was like, little, you know, they're beloved and complete unknown, which I showed to them last year and they love it.

I was like, if the only thing knew, that Bobby was trying to destroy that. - But yeah. - But yeah. The New York Times did a whole big deep dive into

the metropolitan operas, like huge financial crisis. - Yeah. - And it did right now, like basically like three days ago. So, it could use help.

The moral of this story is as always, support here.

- Well, 'cause, and it's just a real tangent, but like, you know, as someone who follows theater pretty closely, like post-pandemic, the rich donor base for like performing arts has completely cratered. And like the rich people were like,

"Oh, we can kind of get away with not having to like do that anymore." And so it is a problem, and I'm glad that there is some light on that now, because like, I would be, I don't go to the opera or the ballet.

I've been to the Met Opera twice in 20 years that I've lived here. Thank you. But I would be sad, and I like ambiently knowing that that's happening. - So, we need the Met to exist, yeah, yeah.

- Yeah, yeah, yeah. - The opera is good. - So, I'm glad that at least there are people who are paying attention to the fact that like, they are in financial ruin.

- Yeah, yeah. - Not sure. Has it just a buckly discourse done anything on behalf of cats? - I don't know of.

- I think there's plenty of cat fans out there.

- No, no, they're fine. (dramatic music) - This is a world.

In the back of the street,

a sea of sea of blood, and a sea of ice. This world is much more than a big Britain. (dramatic music) - So, this whole project,

thus far, has been every week. We talk about a best picture nominee. We have one left, which is one battle after another.

“I think saved the probably the front runner for last,”

although you could make the argument that centers last week. - One battle is the front runner. - It is, right, yes. Is everyone crazy? - I mean, I'm just--

- Look, it's been a long, Oscar season. There's just a tough runner. - I'm not saying that it is, nothing is guaranteed in this life. - No.

- But it has a very hefty slate of wins. - Yes. - In the silly precursors, we unfortunately pay it. - And that is not vibes. - That is literally, it won't each day.

It won't each day. - It's the winner every time, basically. - Yeah. - It is pretty consistently been at the top of everything and is going into Sunday

with like a real momentum to it. I think there's potential, we'll get in a predictions later. I think there's potential that I could kind of lose in some places. - It's a good potential.

- Right, it's that this race has been so long, and people get sick of a front runner, right?

Like that's always the fear.

- Yeah. - But it is a front runner. - Yeah. - And rewatching the movie last night, as I think both Allison and I did.

- Yes. - It's really good. - To me, it's a fun thing, that I promise. - It's one of those, it's, to me, similar to Oppenheimer and I know not everyone agrees about everything.

You know, it's just kind of like, the Oscars can't really pass up on something like that. It doesn't happen that often. You have a major director and a major movie star making a big movie that people saw.

They got universal, critical, like a claim that's about stuff that's happening right now. It just doesn't happen. And it's not just about stuff that's happening now. It has somewhat eerily,

like seemed more prescient the more the 2025. - Yeah.

- It's long, it's not like her events in a way

that you have to be doing that. - Right. Like, I remember when it came out, someone was pointing out, as if this were kind of widely accepted

when I feel like it is definitely not widely accepted. That like, the film starts in the present day and the rest of it takes place in the near future. And I was like, I don't know that that's definitely the case. I feel like you can make an argument for it.

But I feel like part of the reason it feels when it initially came out, it felt like maybe you could make that argument of the near future is because of the ways the MKU, the like force in it,

the kind of like, it's sort of ice. It's also the military and the little police that kind of descend upon the town back in cross for like a large part of the movie. They just kill people.

They, you know, like they grab people in the history, it's without any pretence really. And, you know, they shoot a lot of times like of. - They do, I know, yeah, like it brutal. And you're like, okay, we live in that.

No, like, you know, like that is just like, how things are, like it. So any kind of edge of like, well, we're not there yet, went away so quickly. - Yeah, completely evaporated.

“And I think one of the strengths of the movie”

of many strengths is that like, it's not trying to want to one match like Trump era America. There, there are weird, you know, weird names and funny, you know, like the Christmas adventures. Like, it feels very much of its own world.

It's just like reflecting or bouncing off of what we're experiencing. I think if it were doing the opposite, which was like, you know, it would be like, really trying to map exactly onto what we're experiencing. It would, you'd start to see a lot of holes.

But like, in this case, you can, it's more allegorical. Like, yeah, and I feel like it, you know, like, it is based on a book. - Oh, like 1990, right? - Yeah, right?

- And when it's at the 80s? - I want to say, it violent takes place in 1980, maybe? Or, yeah, yeah, right? - Right? - Right?

- Yeah, certainly, the midday. - So, you have a book that, like, you know, was about like a totally different generation of kind of radicalism. And then the present day of it is like,

Reagan's, it's the peak of Reaganism. It's set during the 84, like, during Reagan's reelection. - Yeah. - When it's like he's won, that those guys-- - Those guys get won.

- And like, there obviously, there's a lot of kind of like,

“throwback DNA to the French 75 in particular, right?”

Like, they have this feeling of like, uh, in, like, in some ways they're extremely present, and then in other ways they just feel like kind of radicals

They're, interestingly, uh, a few days ago, uh, a writer named Hope Reeves, who was parents of both weathermen, wrote an opinion piece in the Times being like, "I really hate how non-specific."

The activism is, you know, this movie that, like, it's not like grounded to a particular revolution world view. Like, revolution is the cause. The all of these characters keep, keep us pausing.

But that's something I actually appreciated more on this rewatch is that, like, they do have, especially in the beginning, they are going after, uh, you know, migrants who write, like, literally migrants.

And also, um, anti-abortion, right? Like, they do have some specific causes, but the idea of, of, of activism, and the idea of, like, fighting against the powers that be, is, like, a more general theme, right?

Like, it, it, it, it, it kind of, it allows that, like, the particular causes can mutate as time goes on,

but that it is about the idea of being a revolutionary.

“Yeah, I think the complaint that I'm reading the piece,”

and she says, like, I really, I shouldn't have expected this movie to be a battle cry about a specific thing. Yeah. So it's a little bit on me.

So she's sort of ignored, you know, she's, she also thinks critics for thinking it was a rallying cry, and the headline of when all of the artists review in the New York Times uses the phrase rallying cry. So she's, yeah, being pointed, but I'm sure.

Uh, but I mean, like, I think some people, because, uh, ghetto pat is kind of like, here, I'm just here to blow things up, you know, like, yeah, people see the French 75s little flippin, a little like, what do they, you know,

are they just like kind of, you know, cowboys who are just there to have fun, but it's like, to me, very obvious, one that the movie is presenting to you various modes of resistance, not just the French 75s,

like we meet the nuns, we meet Benicio's, yeah, that's a whole separate thing. Yeah, kind of like, might be sort of like, of course, Willa is embarking on her own,

like new, you know, form of revolution, whatever she wants to be doing. It's not flippin, like the French 70,

“and I think also like, the way that perfidia's mom talks to pat,”

like she's like, you, you know, we don't take you very seriously, sweety pie. Yeah, you're a nice fool. She comes from a lineage of this kind of struggle. We aren't quite serious.

Yeah, she is quite chaotic. Yeah, we are quite serious, and you are clearly like, you know, a well-meaning personal one for them. Um, there's a point where perfidia's mother calls him a stump,

which is like the brutal thing. She's like the brutal thing. She's a runner, you're a stump, yes. Yeah. Um, brutal assessment.

She's a person, yeah. She's a great performer, great one of the many,

like incredible, like, two scene performances,

and then, yeah, like every actor. I mean, I think there is, there is some thought in the movie about the way these things are generationally sort of translated, and like, aestheticized over time.

Like, are you just kind of playing the part of this, sort of like, back in my day, we really meant it, and you know, and I think that Anderson is, you know, very much thinking about like,

not maybe his revolutionary life. I don't think he has one this far. I don't care. He's like about what he's imparting to his children, and what like his generation is imparting to the younger ones.

And saying, like, yes, you will lose some things, but you might gain some new clarity. They're, like, there's, there's devolution and evolution. It is also, I think, in ways that are very generous, it is about being like, you have ideals,

but you are still a movement made up of incredibly fallible people who all have, like, personal weaknesses, and some of whom we're not animated with the same kind of, like, purity of belief and some, you know, like,

one of the things that I love about Perfidia is that she is a character who kind of does simultaneously seems to hold, like, these kind of, like,

really fervent beliefs and revolutionary ideals,

but also in, like, enjoying, like, the rush of it, so much and her own kind of start-in within this movement, right? Like, these are all forces that feed who she is, and where she, what she does, and ultimately make her, like, this really kind of difficult

character for all of the other ones who grapple with. But I think that's true whenever you meet, and you do anything related to activism. You meet people who, some people who are, like, in it, you know, because they like to hear themselves talk,

and you meet some people who are in it, because they have an enormous, like, really kind of, like, idealistic, like, like, yeah, some people just came from a background of that,

“and they take for granted that that's what they do.”

And I feel like the movie is good at being, like, look at this huge spectrum of experiences and reasons why people get involved in this. Yeah, absolutely. You know, versus the Christmas adventures,

their mortal enemies who are this, you know, kind of, like, fossilized crowd, even though some of them are younger, but, like, right, like, you know, they're the whole intention. One of them looks, like, in bond, like, love, yeah. Yeah, their faces are all good, yeah.

They speak the language of the internet, because they talk about the haters. Yeah, they speak the language of the internet. Because they talk about the haters. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's a really good line. Yeah, you're very funny, but I think it's also sort of telling. Yeah, and I feel like, you know, they're like, they're white supremacy. They're, like, is built into, obviously, so much of the action that unfold

and, like, explicitly built into their movement. Yes. But, like, the end goal of their movement

Like, their whiteness is also part of how they declare themselves superior human beings, right? Like, they are just trying to cement not only do they deserve to have this power, but like, this is the world order.

Which is all the little, the Christmas adventures that I pour over. I've seen the movie several times.

“You know, like, I think about, like, all the little lines,”

like, they love the tracker guy,

but they would never trust him, of course, because he's not,

you know, why? They say not homegrown. And also not a native son. Yeah, like, like the most native son, possible in terms of his background.

When they're like, we have to shut down the chicken fingers to, like, really like those chicken fingers. You know, like, they know, like, the weapons. The systems that support the things they enjoy. Like, the younger company is owned by a Christmas adventure.

I love all this little details. There, there. Um, yeah, yeah. It's really funny. Yeah.

Um, it's just, I don't know. I, I saw it. Were you guys at TIFF? When did you see it? I saw it.

I saw it. I saw it quite early after. You saw it before me. I know that. Right.

I saw it after TIFF.

“Like, an empty screenings, like, no atmosphere, right?”

Like, you know, just kind of, like, I don't see one, but I don't know. It's like, right? Okay. And my drone was on the floor.

I had, I had thought, because I, watching the trailers. I'm sort of hit or miss with PTA. Some things. I, I mean, I adore Phantom Thread. I think that's one of the best movies of the 2010s.

It's, um, it's his funniest movie. It's his, it's beautiful, it's romantic. Um, but next next down the line is like, I have to go all the way back to Boogie nights, you know. And, you know.

And I thought that one battle based on the pension aspect and the trailer. I was like, oh, it's going to be another inherent vice. It's like, trying really hard for, like, weird comedy. It's mostly to make PTA laugh behind the camera. Blah, blah, blah, blah.

But then I started hearing from people like you who had seen it before. And they were like, no, no, it's like a kind of a huge epic. Like, that's really great. And I, I, I still went in skeptical because I,

I, he has never made a movie like this before.

Like, no, no, no, you sure. Yeah, I would be glad it is an epic. No, but I have a different stripe. And this, watching, and again, I was like, the end of the movie is like legitimately approaching the line of corny.

I mean, you know, they're in a beautiful way, I think. I know. I mean, that pulls off that needle drop. And we can talk about that. Some people, it doesn't.

Yeah, I do that. You're done. But I think it is definitely like, the most kind of sentiment. I mean, like, I love inherent vice. But I feel like, I mean, it is funny how many of his movies are about this idea of this kind of like,

like, e-denic past that is kind of gone. If it ever existed, but like, you know, like, that you are already past the golden era. Like, things are already kind of like feeding. And I mean, that, then that movie in particular, but like, like, like ballet, you know, the goal or the opera or the opera.

The golden age in which we all went to ballet and the opera all the time. It is. Well, we all met at La Scala, right? No, Milan. Yeah, years ago.

You were just traveling around. Yeah. I would love to be someone who went to La Scala. It was called Teatro Colone, right? Right.

But like, I mean, like, there's something about the way that this is pinching again.

And it is about, yes, like, a former revolutionary who's been rattling around

just like high off his mind for 15 years now, not believing in anything anymore. But like, that has that, it ends on a note that is hopeful. I think is like, really something. It's a surprise.

And I mean, it's, it's a film made by a person who has children, like, and I, that it resonated with me as a parent, obviously. Well, what are the choices? Like, not giving up. What are the choices he have or the movie have?

“You know, like, I mean, you have to kind of hope at least that you're,”

you know, like, there's some kind of world waiting for your kids for them to grab or change or, you know, I mean, last year we had Eddington. We had movies that had the more more than view of, like, we might, you know, like, you know, like,

there's, you can go in that direction, but no, indeed, one battle is not, is not. It's very, like, you know, pointedly not going in. And that kind of sentiment from him, look, there have been emotional beats and many of his movies,

but this felt so raw and sort of self referencing in an, in an ice way that I was kind of shocked by it. And I, you know, I hate to, like, throw this up as a counter example because like, the movies have nothing to do with each other. But you look at, like, what a formerly sort of prickly edgy film

or, like, no, a bomb act did when he, like, went full sentimental with Jake Kelly, which is, I think, a horror show. I like that movie. And I know, I know, I know. But, like, PTI, I think he, he does the sort of emotional thing

that, no, I don't think this was his intention, but like, that gets it sort of across a certain line for the academy. But does it in his own, you know, particular way and just enough and it doesn't overdo it. And I think that's, that's tricky.

You know. It is still a mournful movie because it is very much about the idea that it is almost impossible for people to sustain that river of youth

Like, like, there are a few characters who continue to hold that up

“like from the initial, the opening French 75 sequence in later, right?”

You have Regina Hall character, D'Andre. What's she's tired? And she's no, but anything's like hurt? Well, let's hear a face at the end. It's like, I just so heartbreaking because you're also like,

you have, yeah, like, you are tired. And like, the thing is every single character who gets captured informs, right? Like, he has a form is actually empathy for that. The idea that you, as a single person,

cannot be expected to stand up to the might of this thing. Because there's going to be someone you love. And then vulnerability, and they exploit it. You know, of storytelling, of film that, like,

no, no, no, there are resolute heroes who would never do that.

And I think the film is saying, well, I mean, like, I rewatching it, I was like, oh, God, the scene where the kids are being interrogated about where their friend is and whether she has a cell phone. And the person who ends up kind of ratting on her, essentially, is the non-binary kid with the earring.

Oh, is this PTA kind of being like, I don't think it is.

“And I think you're saying, like, what would happen if that person”

said this is the most shocking present? Right. Like, that kid knows they would be in deep trouble. And interview PTA said that that actor just also, because they truly were at a school picking kids out of the crowd. And that that actor just popped so quickly.

And they were like, do you want to do another scene? Do you want to do it? But I think that's absolutely how I felt watching the movie. Of just that person has more to lose.

I mean, I mean, it's the same, you know, like, the interrogation of Billy Goat, Howard Summerville, who's so good.

Paul Grimm said he, like, he's like, one of the people who has kept going, right? Like, a lot of the other friends 75 members get killed or end up in prison and killed or turn, right? But like, he, he's ready to stand up when it comes to sacrificing himself. Yes. When the idea of comes to sacrificing your loved ones is like, that's when.

And I think like, there is, like, the movie has so much sympathy for the idea, of informing because it is also like you, yes, like the longer you're in this world, the more you accrue loved ones, the more you accrue people. You're just like thinking about yourself as this soldier in this war. You, you have connections.

You're pulling other people in. And that you can't, you cannot, like, fault people for having ties, right?

“And if the goal is one battle after another, you have to, like, live to see another day.”

And also to pass pass the baton on to other people, right? And like, per video going to Mexico to, you know, living to slay another day. Like, like, like, like, you kind of understand and you wonder if Regina Hall might be kind of thinking in the back of her head. Like, per video maybe had the right idea. Yeah, do you know?

Like, she got out and she still has the capacity. I mean, she made one choice to kind of preserve herself, which, you know, the internet has read is sort of selfish and bad characterization and all that. But I think, again, PTA is really complicating and humanizing those hero tropes. I think also, like, it's, yeah, like, it's a movie that I feel like,

even explicitly says, like, you can get older and get selfish. I'm like, you know, that is just part of it. Oh, you can just be pat, like, pat/Bob, you know, like just, you know, older and kind of over it and kind of burned out and like, not really helping anyone out anymore.

And, you know, he rediscovers a little bit of heroism. But really all, you know, what he's doing is protecting his daughter. And even then, he, he does not actually accomplish in the movie. I think in ways that are delightful. He is not full at all.

Like, yeah, I mean, to the extent he actually affects the action. It is low at the end there. I mean, like, I feel like the biggest brilliance of, like, you know, like him falling off the river. Yes, I'm falling off the river.

I mean, the biggest thing he accomplishes is. He literally tastes. He's getting Benicio Del Toro's character arrested because he's not careful about when he's drinking. He's not drinking.

Yeah. Yeah. They're not police that are working necessarily under, like, Sean Penns. Yeah. They're just like, oh, that's a beer in the park.

about, uh, prophetic out a little bit. Because you feel like you write like there was a lot of kind of like back and forth and now. I mean, beyond just like, Tana Taylor, I think just is such a movie star like it's just like,

like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, is, and I think

you can definitely make a case that like, the movie never

quite recovers that's that particular energy, right? And when she's gone, because she is just such a unique kind of like the mini movie at the start of the movie is incredible, right, all in it, all by itself. Yeah, but I do feel like I really resist the idea that because

profilia makes selfish choices that like, it's bad characterization, because I'm like, you're allowed, like, like, it is okay for a character to be multidimensional and selfish. What's all this?

She's so obviously suffering from postpartial depression and it's such like, wow, like, the thing in the movie that people overloat people just like, really, like, the fact that like that was just not part of a, there's a huge amount of, like, where she's like, you care about the baby.

Yeah, exactly. Like, I don't feel like like, I feel, yeah, that's like,

Yeah, he's like, you know, like in a year, which has had other like

“very conflicted maternal portraits, right?”

Like, I, my love, which is like, absolutely about someone that is dealing with a lot of chaos, you know, in the wake of having a child. Yeah, I'm just thinking about that. My love, just 'cause it's funny, because it's her going like, woo, and then she's like, well, baby and the baby's like,

like, oh, right, it's like, yeah, it's fine. It's fine, it's fine. Um, yeah, but like, yeah, I agree. I feel like it is so explicit that profilia is dealing with postpartum pressure and right.

And like, uh, that just like was taken off the table as something that like, she felt weirdly under disgust to me. Um, but it's a movie with a ton to discuss. I understand that, uh, maybe it's just that she's such a

incredible badass that then you feel betrayed by the movie, you know,

by her, by the choices your character makes, but she's a survivor, like what she's doing with, uh, lock jaw, you know, manipulating him. Mm-hmm. Uh, you know, and, like, sexually and all that, like, that obviously, like, that's her being a survivor.

And then, like, you know, there is a gorgeous and sad moment where she gets caught in the bathroom by him and he's basically like, you can keep doing what you're doing. You just have to meet me at this place, whatever. And then she sinks back up with Leo and they're walking away and

pulls on her face. Yeah. Yeah. And she kind of fake smiles and then her face returns to this like, my life has just changed because I'm now fucking tied to this guy.

And like, it's such a great subtle piece of acting that tells you a lot about what that character is experiencing and feeling. And, uh, yeah, the notion that that that, that she is, you know, underserved by, by being less than heroic or whatever. And an overly sexualizer, you know, Tiana Taylor herself has, like,

responded to some of the criticisms about the character, uh, especially the sexualization of each other. Yeah. You know, what it's like to be a black woman in the world, like, you know, she has spoken, you know, about it in a way that I certainly can't.

And people should seek that out because, like, she, you know, she stands by the character and the movie in a way that I'm like,

“well, then, okay, good, you know, then I believe.”

Yeah. And I think it's also when she leaves and she says that thing about, like, this is a new consciousness and all of that. I'm like, I'm sorry. That is so real for someone who is like, going to be like,

I'm going to reposition the language of like my activism to defend my personal choices. I'm like, of course, people do that all the time. You know, she knows, she, you know, yeah, she's conflicted internally. And she's right.

That's how she can possibly, exactly. She is passing it as this kind of, like, this revolutionary choice to be like, choosing me first, uh, and obviously, as time goes by, she feels much more conflicted about that choice. And I think that the movie is very clear about that.

Anyway, I, uh, certainly, I know, I don't mean to say, I'm like, I'm only, I, uh, grumpy about like the, I found a lot of the discourse around this movie a little trying, but like, that's normal for a movie this big, the, I movie this provocative. And I mean, we're watching it to provoke a lot of reactions like that might,

I might disagree with the course. It does mean people watching, which is great. Because it really spiked when it dropped on HBO Max, you know, because much more people had access to the movie. It's not all the time.

You're, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, for sure. But yeah, and you're right, like, it's like movies like Gettingtoner. I'm trying to think of like the big provocative movies. Luminum. Crane cream.

Well, it is crazy. The train dreams had. It did have virulent discourse around some Thanksgiving time. It had a, it had a, it had a, it had a, it had a, it's a moment in the sun.

Yeah, yeah, Blue Moon just like right, EBY, he never would be doing that.

I don't, I'm trying to think of what, what, what the Blue Moon discourse would be. I mean, that is the most controversial. I mean, I feel like the Blue Moon discourse was just about the height. It's the script right this short. Or no, just being like, is this, is this good?

“Oh, I think, like, like, like, does this look funny?”

Yes, sort of, even Hawk, like, walking around like that. Yeah, yeah, it's for his disco. But what I want to do is not to be a part of the studio. The master of the club's club is called SoftBeyond, the internet. It's a master's club.

I mean, you can say that you can say that. Yeah, you're a master of the club, right? But you don't understand. EGAL. It's just a challenge.

It's just a challenge. It's just a challenge. But you can't do that. EGAL. It's just a challenge.

It's just a challenge. It's just a challenge. And if you then work, you'll be able to do it. It's a challenge. That's right.

Safe. How do you do that? You don't get to look. So, you know, given that one battle seems to be a front runner. It has won all these precursor awards.

I was watching it again, thinking about, like, the Oscars in a new era, like, a different Academy, all that. Like, to you guys does one battle feel like a new sort of best picture front runner. Because I would say there are some really old fashioned things in there as well as the sort of modernity.

There is, but it doesn't feel kind of, like, you know, similar to, I mean, look, is the quite, like, obviously,

PTA was always a guy that the Oscars kind of padded on the head, right?

You know, like, couldn't book, you know, take a screenplay now.

Magnolia, take your screenplay now. Punish drunk love, don't be weird. They don't thread better. No, no, no, then they're weird. Yeah, yeah.

“Is the moment where it's like, "Oh, are they going to take you seriously?"”

But they're, you know, in their kind of, like, weight your turn. The co-in brothers made a masterpiece. They're winning this time. You're still a baby. And right, and they've been sort of slowly warming up to him.

Much like they did with Nolan and then open Himes the moment with, like, "Good job. Me can a grown up movie." Like, he went in best picture. Congratulations. Yeah.

And this has that vibe too. But this is a weird movie. I don't see this movie winning 20 years ago in the same, like, with the same ease. I don't know. I mean, yeah.

It reminds me of when the co-in's made no country for all of the things. That I love, which is right. Another movie that came out and got universal claim to the point that it was kind of like, "Is that it?" Right, right. Right.

But, you know, it's, like, it's both, like, still very much a co-in's movie. It has, like, some real weirdness in there. But it felt, like, maybe, I don't know, like, it fit more cleanly into, like, certain genres. I feel like, you know, into the Western, you know, like, it has very exciting action. You know, it has, and I feel like, that's, I mean, rewatching one by one after another.

I was like, "Yes, this is the same thing." Still, very much, Paul Thomas Anderson movie, but it is one that fits within a slightly more, I would say, conventional container in terms of, yes, being about kind of action and this, like, sweeping, and about father's and daughters and about, you know, particularly about a nasty government, a generation, like, like, reacting to the youth of today.

“Like, I think that, you know, PTA kind of, putting all these jokes about, like, I don't know how to use my phone.”

I don't know how to ask what someone, what a kid's gender, you know, pronouns, like, like, like, like, that could be so creaky and bad, but he does it in such a sort of subtle and sweet way, that I think I would imagine a lot of voters like over 50 are like, "Oh, yeah."

Like, that, finally, something warmly relatable in a PTA movie that also has all of his signature weirdness and style.

Yeah. Right. Right. Right. It's also, it isn't movie, at least from the, from Leo's character's point of view. Isn't movie about being washed, right? Like, it isn't movie about, like, kind of... I don't know. I'm chopped up. Yeah. I'm being chopped and drunk. He is chopped and drunk. Yeah. It's like, like, he, you know, is just like, it's not even that he doesn't want to try a bit, but like, he's just so aware of all of the ways in which, like, kind of the tide is, like, leaving him behind.

Right. Like, that, that he's okay with that. I think, like, ultimately, kind of, like, it's not like he's resisting before, but he's kind of checked out where as I feel, like, by the end. Oh, the triumph of the movie, he's going to try to use a smartphone. Like, and I really do think, I mean, like, it's one of the moments of movie to make money. Many moments that makes me cry. Right. Is that he's trying to figure out? Well, he can. Yeah. Because he's not, you know, it's in so much hiding.

Right. I mean, he might as well, but I think he's, I used to date Fiona Apple and do, like, you know, like, like, no way. I mean, like, that, I feel like there is definitely, there is definitely some of that.

“I think, too, he's sort of represents the malaise of just, like, what it feels like to live in the current moment”

to be bombarded by so much shit every single day and just how exhausting that is and how, like, how easy it is to just, like, check out. Yeah. 100% check out from new stuff, but also from your old stuff, like, he's lost the passion for what he used to do. If, you know, we don't really know how serious he was about any of these causes. Right. Like, he was clearly very exciting for him. He liked a part of the team, but yeah, he does.

And he was in love and, yeah. But he doesn't remember the revolutionary text.

What time is it, Hannah? Like, he's got to call the manager of the revolutionary hotline to, uh, to get through. When I first saw the movie, I, I found that segment where he's, like, on the phone, you know, like, yelling and in the bathrobe and it felt, like, oh, I was like, this is maybe a little too over-edged, they're trying to be a little too funny. On second viewing, I didn't feel that way at all. It's like a very emotional.

I felt his frustration at himself, you know, more, and yes, he's yelling at the guy on the phone, but he's really yelling at himself, right? Like, I think so. He's yelling at himself. He's also, like, he's frustrated by, you know, people who are maybe, you know, a little too high on being part of the team. Yeah. He's like, he keeps trying to make the emotional kind of like,

can't you tell that I'm fucked up, right? Like, yeah, please help me. You're my daughter. My daughter's been taking, you know, like, and the guy is like, you should know. And this is like, you're, but what is it like, you're, he's something like sort of space, safe space. He's like, you're violating my sound.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's a nice figure. He's a nice figure, right? Yeah, yeah. To me, the funniest part of that whole sequence, which is a very funny sequence, is when he keeps saying, I don't know what time it is, and Sergio Saint James just says the time. Yes, yeah. He's like 802. Yeah, yeah.

Because I'm like, he has such clarity. Like, yeah, and he knows what time it is. Yeah. Because he has to know what time it is. Yeah. Because he's in charge of something that's very like proper and organized. And like, on anyway, I just think it's such a cool moment. I mean, I, like, that sequence just because of how many times,

Like, he gets a charger and, like, in this, like, labyrinthine kind of, like, compound, that is, like, a place, like, like irritating old charred. Yeah, exactly. Like, he's like shoot away from, like, four different spots along the way. Where Bob keeps being like, we have to go. You can't do that here.

Sergio, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Keep doing like, you need to come on. Like, this is not the place where you can charge your phone. Becoming, becoming. Yeah. So I feel like, I don't know, like, I, this is not my favorite Leo performance.

I enjoy him in this movie. I always go back and forth on Leo.

He's not my favorite actor. It's a very, I'd say Leo, I love the performance. Yeah. That's my favorite Leo is. Yeah. What's your favorite Leo? My answer was always shutter island, which is the movie.

I adore it. I think he's so locked in.

“Yeah. I think the answer is probably willful Wall Street.”

Like, that's the best actor. Yeah. Yeah. Big Leo performance. That's me if you can. He's so good in that. That's probably that's Baby Lee. Probably also for me is, and, you know, it was something I was thinking about,

like, look, like, out of the best actor nominees this year, four out of the five of them were all, like, child actors, right? They have all been acting aside from Wagner. Well, though, we don't know. I was, I looked this up because I was like, like, he, like, did kind of,

like, find his way into acting into an adult head. But, yeah, you're like, I don't know. I was like, he's super sexy. Oh, four actors who have been acting since they were children. It's true. And who have basically been, like,

I have been plugged into their episodes since they were children. Like, Leo, I guess the least, like, I didn't watch growing pain. I needed it. Oh, I didn't. But, right. But, like, he was around. He's been, like, I watched, like, white Fang when I was a kid.

Or when, you know, all those little movies he made. Like, Michael B. Jordan obviously, I watched the wire as well as on that couch. Fried in a light and all that. I remember when he was dating me, Whitman, on parenthood. Sure.

Yeah, Whitman, pretty sure it's me, Whitman. And, and Timmy, I guess, like, I was irked by him on home land. Sure, Whitman. And you watch love the coopers every Christmas, right? I can't say I know what that is.

So Trevor's movie. He did with Marissa Tomang. And he's an interstellar because the, the most part of interstellar is, Tim being like, hey, Dad, what's going on the farm is, you know, I mean, Tim gets blown up on home land.

But then it cuts to Casey Affleck. Right. But yeah, he turned it in Casey Affleck. Hey, Tim, how are you doing? Like, I'm not trying to answer the voices at all.

What happened? Ever since the accident, I talk like this. Yeah, exactly. Did the earth get like, heal him in half of the year? Yeah.

The vibes wise. They're both very pointy. Yeah, totally. Yeah, yeah.

I mean, I feel like the problem is, like,

also, as a, as a woman of a certain age, I just like very much imprinted on, like, heart-throb, like, beautiful Leo and, like, as a man of certain age. Like, yeah.

Yeah. Of course, truly. And, like, it's just like, I find him, I guess, like, him as this, like, leading man that a lot of kind of artwork directors

really hung on. I don't always see it. Like, in this case, I do enjoy him being, like, the fool. Like, I think he's very funny in this. And there's a lot of paythos as well.

But yeah, like he is kind of, like, the floundering point in the middle of this movie. I'm like, all of the action. Uh, yeah. I think something that I would seem at this watching it again,

and in light of that really great Nikki Glazer joke about, we don't know anything about you.

“Like, the only thing we know about you is that you date”

23-year-old models, whatever. Right. And that's why I can't make another joke. Yeah. Yeah.

And I think that was such a smart, like, music-grade man to show you. Yeah, you know. Because he really, I don't know if I can anything about him. All I know about him is he has, apparently,

one of the most incredible collections of movie posters,

like, in Hollywood, and the people like Humbdo is house to see it, because it's like really, really highly regarded. And there's like, they're like, they're, they're thumbtacks of the walls. Yeah, they're all on the center of the town. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. No, it's just like, that's the one thing I know about Leo, because people have heard people say, like, oh, yeah. And then he, you get, you get to see his movie post.

And I'm assuming this home is in Los Angeles. Like, I don't even know that. Like, where, like, it's a good question. And I think what if it's in, like, Omaha? I have no, no, no, yes.

And I think it's, she was advantage. Like, that he, that you, he, you can watch him in a movie. And yes, you are receiving some like known Leoness, but like, he can kind of really fit himself to, to a movie's needs, right? Sure.

But I also find myself kind of like, yearning for a little bit of a deeper context with him. Like, he has no public facing persona. Yeah. Really.

Aside from, like, he's Leonardo DiCaprio. I mean, he loves models. He loves, uh, running on the beach. Yeah. And he, like, you see the environmentalism.

I remember the, for a while, that was the only Leo thing. Was it was like, well, he loves, like, electric cars. That was his, like, chosen, like, personality thing. Yeah. Yeah.

“I mean, that's what the Jennifer Lawrence video with him.”

Where the variety actor act is. Yeah. She is clearly, like, trying to get as much of a rise out of him as she can is so interesting. Because she is fearless about it. Because she's an aeless actor.

Yeah. Who's about to work with him. Again, almost gets him a couple of times. Yeah. And that's why everyone loved him in the Golden Globes.

Talking to it is Tiana, right?

Like, where he, he, he got his personality.

Right. You see him being silly. Yeah. Because he's talking about, like, Kpop demon hunters with her or whatever. Can we sidebar on Leo's Oscar history?

“Because I remember, I had a friend in college who was a huge Leo fan.”

Yeah. And was so invested in, uh, Leo getting snubbed constantly. Yeah. No. Winning.

Right. And then eventually he wins for the revenue. He is a very hairy and dramatic serious performance. He was everything he went through. That was the year where he really, like, pressed the flash.

He, he went all it. It was time. Dinner. He did all the campaigning and all that. Right.

Yeah. Do you think he has any shot this year? No. No. No.

I don't think he has any shot this year. No. No. I don't think.

“I think he's, I think he's pretty low down.”

I just think, because he's one. And I think everyone takes some. The, the academy takes him for granted. And I think that that taking for granted. Sort of is sourced in an original resentment.

Like so like when he first his first Oscar nomination in 1993.

I believe was. Yeah. What's eating Gilbert Grape? You know, and and that performance is arguably not. So the test of time.

It's like perform. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Whether it's like a representative of anything.

Yeah. Yeah. Who knows. But like.

“But back then I think that the academy was like,”

Oh, here's this like stringy. Interesting kid. kid who did this big transformation. Let's keep an eye on him. Totally. And then just a couple years later, he emerges as what Allison and I were like, "Boy, oh yeah." And that when the economy is like, "Buck this guy, this pretty boy, and they really treat him like that." They will nominate him for

things. But they really -- They're really -- Yeah, they stumble for Titanic. Yeah, they stumble for Titanic. You know, he does -- Who's also like the pussy-pussy era, right? Like a pussy-pussy thing was happening. I think there was a lot of resistance to like, you're right. You're a t-nightle, not a great actor. And like, you know, Matt Damon gets nominated, best actor, the Titanic era. Right. And like, I mean, Damon's good and good-well-hunting. Yeah. But he kind of -- But like, that's them being,

well, we thought this was good. This guy's acting. Right. You are just pretty. You know, like, I really felt that way because like, Titanic everything else gets nominated, you know. And the "Pussy-pussy-pussy" thing, which, you know, was sort of coined in this Nancy Joe sales article for New York Magazine, back in the late '90s, is a fascinating time capsule to read if anyone listening has not read it, please go seek it out. It's really interesting. And, you know, Leo does not -- It's called Leo Prince of the city, I think.

When you -- It is about -- I guess if you don't know what the pussy-pussy is, it is about this, like, you can't tell me why it's a mother-phos. It's a sauce. It's just a friend. Yeah, laying at some point, I believe. I think -- Yeah, there are some, like, ideas in it, yeah. Yeah. And they were just, like, they were in notorious for, like, going out and raising house. And there's apparently a film called Don's Plum that they made, the friend of the director, definitely.

Yeah, like, Leo has actively worked to bear it. He's like, there's, like, a fence of stuff and whatever. So, I can understand given that that was his origin story and Ben that he was struggling to get, like, really serious consideration at, you know, in the industry that now he has completely been, like, I don't give you anything of my personal life or my, you know, my personality because, like, I did that when I was a kid and look, if you're that goddamn good-looking and you're making that

much money. And in these -- like, I can't say what I would have acted like, probably not well, you know. He seems to have somewhat reformed. But, yeah, so his privacy is based on something that, like, what he used to live very publicly and so I get it. But the really the Oscar treated him I just feel like they were, like, you're fine. You don't need us, like, you're already a big star. And he was earning, like, like, he could open movies, you know,

the directors lightly wanted to work with him, like, you know, he gets snuffer to attack fine. They snuff him again for Catch Me if you can, but that's the sort of dual year with King. So New York where he gets kind of bad reviews and I feel like there was just a little bit of, like, there was confusion about it. Wait, your turn. Yeah. And then he gets the second nom for the aviator, which is, like, this level up project for him.

He produces the movie. He works with Martin Scorsese again. He plays Howard Hughes, plays a holiday. And that, I feel like, is when the Oscar started to be, like, fine. You are now in the club. You will get your nominations, like, you're a consistent person. But don't, don't, you know, you're going to wait for a win. You're going to wait for a win. But still, like, blood diamond, willful all street revenue. Yeah, you know, like, well, it was a long gap between blood diamond

and willful all street. But I feel like that's when Leo is making movies kind of angling for an Oscar that aren't, you know, aren't really connecting like a Jay Edgar or whatever. Or he's making it like an obsession. That one, the Nobel. Yeah. Yeah. When the Nobel Prize for Trigon,

you know, departed a revolution, like revolutionary road and Jay Edgar both feel like Oscar plays.

Oh, yeah. Oh, where everyone was like, well, sorry. Yeah. And like, like, whenslet didn't even get, like, like, oh, it's like like a Shannon dead, right? I'll Shannon dead. He's not well. Yeah.

which, you know, whatever. But I remember seeing that movie in the theater, and when Leo first shows

up kind of scruffy, like, I was like, wow, well, we, well, he's a man. Like, like, he sure, it was a little bit, but he grew up, you know, and, and then he could kind of reshape his sort of star persona.

“And that kind of thing is what led him to be able to do the revenue incredibly. I think for people.”

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and obviously, like, you know, it's just the Hollywood thing of like, as far as when you look at Leo's career, like, he just would work with giant directors, get giant movies made, and they would usually make a ton of money. And there's just not a lot of people doing that, especially as the 2010s come along. Is there? And they'd be a director. He hasn't worked with yet. Yeah. Yeah. He's done Nolan Spielberg. He was definitely like, can he check that one off?

Yeah. Yeah. Because they've been circling each other all the way to the booky night. Yeah. Everyone's sick. I don't know. I mean, I think of the question is more just like there are not that many big directors. Well, the question is also, is it could be work with a woman? He hasn't worked with a female director and basically ever, like a very, very long. Which is a kind of stain on his right. Some people point that out. Like, yeah, I mean, I get, you know, we hold movie actors,

sometimes you like, you know, these weird sort of like, why have you done this? And I'm like, I don't know, he's a movie actor. I mean, he also just, I mean, is someone who has like the big page paycheck. You know, we'll get your, he'll get a big pay. And that has affected the particular type of

views that he has. Yeah, it's like a $20 million or, you know, it's partly because directors

come to him being like, I want to make you. Yeah. Like, exactly. And even I Christopher Nolan might

“need you in order to capital to actually get $200 million from my dream thief. Yeah. You know what?”

I mean, yeah. Like, you know, I can't explain this. You know, like, an elevator pitch. Are you kidding? It takes me at least a minute to explain the premise. Yeah. The movie is an instruction manual. Paris folds on itself. Yeah. Sure does. Well, I, I mean, I think the thing that is interesting to me about Leo's recent choices are the, like, the ways in which there's parts. I mean, like, Ernest Burkhard and Killers of the Flower Moon. And particularly the narrative of Killers, you know,

where they were like, he is not going to be the proto FBI agent. Right. And that's, like, the movie's

going to be based around that, like, the initial envisioning. You know, we're going to reshape this

movie to be driven by the indigenous characters. It's worth that they stumped him for that, too. He's so good in that. But like, he is playing these characters that, like, are deliberately, yes, like, no longer the center of the story. Right. Like, I mean, the funny thing about, like, Bob Ferguson is that he is, like, this floundering character in the middle of all of his action, right, constantly. Uh, like, he is not the one driving things forward in any way, anymore. And it's a funny performance,

“I think, but that is also probably the reason that it was number five. Like, he's, like, four or”

five, and the kind of, like, the, the, the, like, chance of winning. But I also, the main thing is also, just that he's won. If you hadn't won an Oscar, he'd be winning this year, right? Like, it's just, you know, well, the longer it takes it's why when Bradley Cooper is going to play, like, a bucket with a face thrown on it at some point. And they'll be like, we have to give you an Oscar a 14 nominations. Like, it's gotten out of hand. Right. You know, like, it just comes a point where they're,

like, where there's quite a lot of, like, Amy Adams, it'll happen to her someday. Or, well, I don't know. She may have actually, like, thrown a witch down a well or something. I don't know, yeah. All right. So predictions. Um, I feel like we could focus on this, the quote unquote, big sick, sick, sick. Sure. It's my role when we look eight, eight, eight, eight. Yeah. Yeah. We're, we're writers. We can't, well, we've got to count this. Miss writing. So that's a day after screenplay or original screenplay,

supporting actors, lead actors, director, picture, right? Yeah. So I'm assuming we're all exactly on the same page. I'm very stressed out about the, uh, yeah. It's a, it's a, it's a year where there are some, a few, like, stone cold certainties for me. And then other categories, where it's just, like, I, I genuinely have no idea. Right. I mean, F1 best picture locked. It would already everything happen. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Let's, let's start with screenplays. Okay. Okay.

Because I feel like that's kind of, I mean, it just feels like, yeah, like, that's the easiest. There's in one battle. Like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And that was reflected at the WGA Awards this past weekend. Now, I assume with the WGA sentimental value and, uh, it was just an accident. We're not in contention, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Be able to feature. Yeah. That's very emotional moving. Yeah. And like I've seen the argument of like, oh, could it was just an accident win here as the sort of,

like, a word for entrepreneur. He, uh, that's the only real sort of argument I can see against sinners winning. But I, I, I have predicted sinners from the gang. It feels like, and also I,

don't feel like the momentum has been. No, the way we did that movie. Yeah. I mean, the movie did great. It was a long long story. Not sure. Uh, praise. Yeah. Uh, but right, it did not quite

connect, uh, on the Oscar level. So we predicted maybe a few months prior. I also never. Yeah. I mean,

“it's one of my favorites of you. Well, I think it's a brilliant movie, but like, one, one might think,”

well, you know, what's going on with Iran right now. We're lead people to that movie, but I kind of think the opposite might have been true. Yeah. During voting where people were like, I don't want to deal with that. I have no idea. But I think sinners, like, you know, uh, this is, I wanted this to have, like, this is where Spike Lee won his Oscars. We're Jordan people won his Oscars. Like, they often get, yeah. Yeah. Right. Right. Right. Right. This sort of like fresh young to well,

Spike Lee's on a fresh young director. But like, like, we're not going to give you the best director. Yeah. So we'll give you that cool choice as the kind of consolation pride, which is sort

of ironic, because I think we all think that Paul Thomas Anderson is winning for a adapted screenplay

where he has also the frontrunner director. But yeah. But I mean, he has a, as a work of adaptation, this is the strongest. Well, because he changed a lot, right? Like, yeah. Yeah. So it's an interesting adaptation. Obviously, it's also just right. It's a, it's a, you know, the writing of the film is the standout. And he said in some interview, like, 10 years ago, like, he was asked about favorite books or something. And he was like, oh, violent, which is the, the, the pinching novel

is really high up there. I mean, they're going to adapt it or just rip it off. Like, you know, like, I need, he went the, the, the former route. But I mean, I guess Hamnid is sort of the nominal runner up there. But that was, you know, like, yeah, but I do feel like for one Chloe,

Jow has an Oscar or two possibly. And I just feel like the Hamnid, you know, juices.

Yeah. It's not gone. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Hamnid juice. Yeah. This week's episode is brought to you by Hamnid juice. Mr. Kid, the taste of the tragedy. Yeah. Tears. All right. So we've settled that. Yeah.

“So that's really, I think I think those are locked. I think the most popular. Yes. Yeah. It's also,”

like, the least helpful in terms of, like, the biggest kind of power there. Right. Like, yeah, there's a, there's a lot of both for the two biggest ways. Right. All right. Well, then, let's, let's do supporting. You know, supporting actress, uh, for actress, I'm going to go Tiana. I think I had to call. I think I took a solid call. Yeah. It's sort of, she was so great when she won the globe. Yeah. And it felt like great. Is this it? Like, are we going to do a bunch of Tiana

speeches? This is going to rock. And then it's been such a funny, uh, season. Yeah. So Madigan won the sag and the, great choice. Great choice. And then, uh, when we won the bath. Yeah. Right. L one nothing. No, she gets nothing. It's been a little bit of nothing. No. No. They're nothing. Not even their father's loan. And they're in L fanning sort of a, you know, kind of a bigger, right? Well, they're splitting the vote in theory. Sure. Yeah. Um, I'm predicting, I'm so I have predictions

formal predictions on premiereparty.com. My newsletter, please go read it. Subscribe all that. I'm predicting Madigan only because Madigan thus far, uh, has one two of the televised awards, not in predicts choice. It was on academy for whatever six weeks wanted to see. And sag does have significant overlap with the academy. Yeah. So does the bathtub. So Masaku is definitely not out out of it. Yeah. I, I think that she had a little home time advantage in the UK. Yeah. Um,

rewatching centers for last week's episode. Her part is not, I think, quite substantial enough. But I could be totally wrong. She's great in it. She's so good in it. It's, it's sort of, you know, she has two like killer scenes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She's, she's, she's great throughout obviously. Whereas Madigan kind of walks away with the last. Yeah. The argument against Madigan is the sort of like the, the, the relative rarity of the one nomination movie, you know,

nabbing a big award. Um, but it does happen. Yeah. And a horror thing that's right in a movie. Yeah. I could be wanting to give that movie something also. I agree. I will predict Madigan kind of like very kind of, uh, tentatively though. I think this is the hardest of the acting category. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's a, she's also, she is like, she's mild royalty. Like I know people don't talk about Amy Madigan much. Yeah. But like, you know, she's a really respected

known name. Yeah. Two older voters. And she's got a nomination like 40 years ago. She did. Yes. Mary to a very well known person. And she's like, been at the Oscars many times. And I just think, like, I think so many people can kind of love that story of like, Craig or being like, knock knock. Yeah. Sam, I retired like good actor. I wrote a part essentially for you. You want to do it. You know, and then you're just smiling. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And like it making a lot of

“money. And she's handled well. Her speeches have been good. So that's why I'm predicting her.”

But this is also one of those great categories where it's like, I'd be happy if any of these people won. Yeah. You know, all right. Supporting actor, you know, I think we talked about a little

December that his conversations in LA, Sean Penn had this in September. And it's never wavered

“even though critics groups gave things to Benicio and it's been, you know, still in one somewhere.”

Right. The way it's broken out is like the critics groups from a large number of Benicio. The critics choice went to Jacob awardee. The Scarlet and Globe went to selling cars yard, Sag and BAFTA both went to Penn, who won, who won? They did. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So that's been which is like where he re-emerges is like, oh, he was the front row of the whole time. And then there is the mystery thing of like, and then like the Oscars just threw Delroy Lindo in there. Like we're like,

some people are even kind of drawn to like, could he just kind of like, I don't know where, you know, I mean, some of the brutally honest ballots I've read across various outlets recently more than a few said Delroy

Lindo was vote, you know, because that's not representative of anything that's fairly. But again,

I would with Lindo who is great in his movie was definitely overlooked for the five bloods a few years ago. And of course, I'm sure there's some mine toward correcting that, you know, maybe, pre just oversight. But Penn is in much more of the movie. And he is somebody despite all of his weird personal shit, like that the academy really obviously likes him a lot. And yeah, to me, you know, there's something up there. It is a little bit, sorry. I don't know what to say.

Well, I was just going to say, it's also like, it feels like a classic supporting role,

“and then it's just like a bigger, like, I think borderline cartoonish at times performance,”

like, it's this kind of like outside caricature. He's really, and he really leans into that. And I feel like, and the existence of our FK Junior really is another one where it's just like, if you know about this, like, where he runs over that bear, and then it's freezers it. But they both have this kind of reddishness, this like underlying kind of like, like, they've been holding their breath and bracing for a long time, just like permanently.

And the physical, I mean, there's a physical aspect of the, you know, the transformations. Why do you wear, why is your t-shirt so tight? It's how you guys are predicting Penn. Yeah, what about you? I, I, I think actually, I just based on total nothing, just the way I'm going to go with Scar's Guide. Okay, I'm torn because I've, I've long, it's Scar's Guard, it's just the kind of performance they love.

It's a similar, you know, it's a career award, which it like, he's really everywhere. And like, he's gone from like, reliable Hollywood guy, please, you know, grumps to kind of like, he's in every franchise. He's sort of a delightful grandpa. Like, the mom and me, a thing, really transformed him into, like, he can be funny. Like, he can be chocolate. And then, like, he gives interviews where he's very candid. He has an army of children that we all worship, like, all that,

you know, just the kind of, yeah. Yeah, like, kind of, we're kind of like, on the film festival. So, together, he sits at the head of the table in Valhalla. Yeah, he's the good thing with all of this. He's the warmest son. Yeah, it's all sort of the monsters over indexed on sentimental value. Yeah. He has me looking for, like, do they want to wear it as a record? Yeah, so I'm predicting him, but kind of, again, like, very weakly, like, they don't really know. This is based entirely on,

like, a whim for me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The over indexing on sentimental is interesting. And it's just that I'm a, I'm a, I over index on, they don't like to give him people, multiple Oscars, which I'm often wrong about. Like, I was wrong about Emma Stone, for answer to Doran. Or I saw coming on for it. Yeah. I love her. I love her. I love my friends of the record. She's Chris Walsh. Yeah. That was a weird one because everyone had an Oscar. Yeah. You're, but yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

But, like, a third Oscar for sure. But an Oscar is a lot. And you have the opportunity to give

Del Rey Lindo or Stella Skarsguard, two guys who don't have a ton of years ahead of them. Yeah, like, who have, you know, who are like these invaluable journeyman character actors from very different traditions, that would be exciting if either of them one, a Lordy, congrats kid, like, yeah, you're tall. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're tall. Yeah. Don't hit your head. All right. So let's go into the, look, I, director, it's PCA, right? Yeah. Without a doubt. Yeah. Or what about the

“cooler, okay? I, okay. I'm leaning towards Googler. I think mainly out of like,”

maybe having like immerse myself in the discourse too much. Yeah. I do feel like there has been notable pressure lately in terms of like pushing like how much even when a film from a black director wins, that's picture. I think do not win. Yeah. Which is stir. You know, it's happened. Oh, and there is like, yeah, like what, like, no black film makers ever won, right? Yeah, 12 years play in the green and when lightened. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And so I feel like that way of pressure.

I mean, I feel like it's so obviously like these bigger, the biggest, like awards are like going to be split between these two movies or like the, like, the choice is between these two, like kind of movies that have been in that, like the lead of nominations, have been in the lead of the discussions forever. Yeah. So I'm just kind of thinking, I don't know, maybe this,

I think that you David and Griffin have talked about this on black check,

“the Ray Finns problem where people, I think it, if someone off stage, but like, oh,”

I already won. Yeah. Like a shirt, well, Ray Finns don't pick out one in the night. I think one of those make PTA hasn't won. I think so much of his narrative is like, how does this, this is out of control. We got to fix this. I think he's a mortal. Whereas I'm sure voters think, like, cooler has definitely an Oscar in him. He just also like, yeah, 12 years old. Like, I mean, like, it's part of his charm where you're just like, how are you so young? How old made so many hits?

I think he's like, my age. He's, what does he like, 38 or 39? He's 30 years old. That's young for, and I've only made $2 billion movie. Right. Right. Right. You got to get on it. No, he's a piece. And you can't really have posters of both of him in his home. I just think, Cougar, I think PTA is a, is a, is a lock for director. Of course. Yeah, brimmy wrong academy. I mean, like, maybe he loses. But yeah. And again, we are not saying what we want to win. We're just kind of

trying to think with the academy's psychology in mind. That said, let's move on to the acting,

“lead acting categories. I think best actress total toss up. No one has any idea. Yeah, it's not.”

Runs. But it has made it such a kind of like, weird boring blank spot. You know, where you're just like, there's more. The exciting thing was like, we'll Roseburn get in as an nominee. Right. Right.

And I love that she did get in. I mean, I think there was never, there's just been so little

question about Jesse about they being the winner. What leads to that level of confidence? Because I've heard that to from all season, but like, we're exactly does that come from us. It's just everyone talking to each other. It's an intuition. I mean, like that movie, Hamlet premiered at Tyler and the word from on the mountain was like, oh, she's pretty good in that. No, the word was Oscar. Yeah. Yeah. And it's never changed. And then I, yeah, I think I saw, I saw it in Toronto. And I was like, oh, right. That's

so obvious that she's going to win. And I don't can't really hear what it is, but it's just perfect in every way. Like, one does she play like a wife who cries. Oscar's like, you know, it's the Vince McMahon meme. We're the like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm not trying to dismiss them. I'm just talking about like the sort of the the cold bloodedness of the academy. Like, two is she like a young, ish actress. Okay. In her thirties established, but still coming up. Yeah. Like, a sort of an

on genu, they love that. You know, but then like, but leaping to a new level. And three is like sheer prior nominee. So it's kind of like great. Here's your, here's your, you know, here's Emma Stone. It's just like, yeah, you go. You've, you've, you've proven, you're all your bona fides. And like, now you're the best actress. She's a classy. She's from a different country. You know, all of that. And the competition is fairly weak. No offense to it. Like it's like, you know, it's a bunch of

“weird movies. I mean, I think that also the, a lot of the other, you know, contenders. Like,”

I think that, I mean, I don't know this, but it just felt this way that I think a lot of the studios distributors behind the other nominees. They saw Buckley, and tell you right, and we're like, Rose, we'll get, we'll do a campaign for you. But we're not, like, you're not going to win this. So like, I think they kind of like put their, took their foot off the gas a little bit. I mean, like, you know, you know, right, like, burn Rose, burn, who'd be my winner or her movies quite hostile,

nomination feels like the reward Kate Hudson. It's also kind of the nomination feels like the reward where they're like, you know, good job sticking around, like, in after like years in the wilderness, like, I mean, that was a movie that like, like, like, people no one was like taking very serious. No other words, but it's like, girl can take a piece of money. Like, in about, and she hit the campaign, like, and our view of Sam Sanders made a very good case, a very compelling case for Kate Hudson,

and that movie is so much I appreciate. No, I mean, I, like, but I do think the nam is the reward.

Yeah. And, you know, like, Emma Stone, and does deserve a third Oscar for Begonia, I think,

and it's sad that she won't get one. Emma Stone winning the Oscar for Begonia, as her would be, I think she would be like, can we, can we, she would, she would, she would be like, no, I'm good, I'm good, all right, it's something else. Who is that pair? Yeah, I'm going for someone, like, so yeah. And then, like, Renata, like, I love her, I guess there's a world where you could argue for her in terms of, like, she's also, like, been around for a little while now,

and she's proving herself over and over again. But like, it's just, it's a more internal performance. It's an ensemble, you know, like, and it's the Academy thing. Look, we obviously liked worse person we gave it a couple of nominations. We did not nominate you, but we did see you, we saw you, and now you're here and welcome and good luck in the future, but we're not, you know, we're not thinking it's a little bit of that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's just, it's just, she,

she goes through every single bit. Right. It's a very big performance. I love that. And when Jessie Buckley is on stage and, about getting devoured by cats, that's someone that's set loose.

All right, best actor is where I think my predictions on, again, on premierparty.com, run into some trouble because, like, I am predicting shallow mate to win. And I know that people would say, like, he has been, but frontrunner, except that he didn't win BAFTA, he didn't win SAG, but as we sort of teased earlier in this episode, BAFTA was a homegrown kid for a British movie that they liked and was a hit. And SAG, that worked out very well. He had some of the

like, very well. He'd won the, you know, and I do think that matters. Like, I mean, I don't think it matters at SAG if they had won 20 years ago, but they voted for a last year. Yeah. Like, I do

“think SAG voters take that into account. I agree. And I think that they, you know, said,”

Michael Jordan. Oh, you have that was cool. Which is why, which is why, you know, and that was pretty cool. And I know it's great that Jordan won, I would, I would be thrilled to see Michael Jordan win at the Oscars. He's, you know, one of our few movie stars were raining. Yeah. And it's exciting that he kind of is leveling up with this. I mean, I think he's been just awesome. But again, like, right, you're using your cloud to make something interesting. Yeah.

And, and maybe continue to do that. Yeah. So this again, this is not who I want to win necessarily. It's just that, like, it's like, I think it wants to make. Yeah. Also, I want to know that you're secretly Club Shalame. Here's why I want, well, yeah, abandoning him. Yeah, I think she's launching on, she's a brother. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's that. That's actually, like, that is so tremendous. That is that, like, to air down the wall. That's the

Benedict Arnold. Yeah. That's true. Yeah. I mean, like, I feel like there is maybe no, no more sign that, like, that I just turned for Timothy Shalame. It was abandoned by his biggest actually scariest fan. Partly. Not potentially. Yeah. Part part of why I want, if I, if I, if I did want Shalame to win, why I would want him to win is like, it would be so nice and, and lifting of a burden if going forward, there wasn't this fucking Shalame Oscar discourse

around everything he did. True. Sure. Like, in your time, it's actually a real experience. Yeah. Yeah. Of, like, he made another big movie. You're going to do it this time. Let's get it out of the way. Got to eat a liver for you, you know, or actually do it. And I do feel like this is such a dominant, like, performance in a big movie. They essentially liked, although no one's talking about Marty Supreme lately, but they gave it a bunch of norms and all that. And he's, you know,

in practically every bit of the movie. Yeah. He does, goes through every emotion. He got it to,

like, basically a hundred domestic. This is a movie about table tennis in the 50s. Yeah. Like,

these are these are, these are feats of startup. Like Leo didn't get one battle to a hundred domestic. No. Like, so all these things are things you'd think matter. I would predict him, but I don't know. I don't know. I, I, I cannot, the vibe shift does feel quite profound here. And and Jordan does have the win at an overlap. There's a lot like there's actors at the biggest branch of the academy. They gave him the actor prize for, you know, they gave that to Jordan. So like, by the numbers,

“you'd be like, well, Jordan is definitely the front runner. And I think a lot of the odds on”

like Goldurby are saying that. And look, again, I could be totally wrong. I just have this sense that like kind of almost like was Sean Penn before, you know, he wants started winning. He's like, maybe Sean is kind of been in the front the whole time. And we just didn't know it. But sometimes that can get people sick of you. Yeah. I mean, I feel like he has been in the front the whole time. Yeah. I mean, I'm going to do the chaos pick. I'm going to do a Wagner more. I think that's a

fine pick because that has, you know, look, I mean, at the New York Film Critic Circle, he triumphed in a three-way battle. Yeah. That was very close. I mean, that's a lot of

like he has been floating in like third, second to third this whole time, like for a while.

And I feel like there is a world in which the like split votes for the like multiple famous people end up kind of like leaving space for. And I feel like it also the just the ways in which it would just dial up the discourse. It would be very interesting. But no one can get mad about it.

“It's a thing really. I think it will be a little bit of bafflement from, you know,”

yeah. I mean, sort of wider audience of like, what's this? What would like sort of like a Olivia Coleman is she know in a way, other more people had seen the favorite, but like like yeah, your thing about Olivia is she beat Glenn close for movie nobody liked her saw, right? Like everyone knows Glenn close, but nobody liked the wife. Sorry, the wife. Don't come after me the wife. How dare you wife stands. Uh, don't throw peanuts at me on the airplane. Doesn't that happen to me? I mean,

we're sitting with an airplane. Max Irons, isn't it? Yes. Something. Yeah. Um, so there was that kind of instant shock of like, oh, Glenn lost. Oh, no. And then Olivia gets up gives the greatest

to be Oscar speech, basically, of all time. And everyone sort of just exits being like that rocked.

Wagner beating Leo, Michael B. Jordan, uh, Timmy, even Ethan Hawke, like who's like, you know, arguably somewhat due as well. Like people would be like, what the hell? Yeah. Ethan Ox first overlead domination. Sure. He's a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Three acting domination training day. Boyd in this. Boyd in this. Yeah. Yeah. And then he's got two screenplay nouns for the before's. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

“Yeah. Yeah. Well. Anyways, so I again, I, I think we're all picking someone different or no,”

you're saying shallony to you. You guys are best shallony. Okay. And more out. I'm like a very, soft soft. Just to just put it up. Yeah. Let's cover a bit because I really, the Timmy is the one where I feel the vibe shift a little harder, even though like, right, my logic, he brain of like sag is, oh, he won last year. You know, like, that doesn't mean like that much. Like, I don't know.

I do feel it a little bit in the water. Yeah. And sag, sag doesn't always translate, you know,

no sag is insane. They gave a really punt in the word for the quiet place. They gave it yourself a best spring actor for peace and donation. Yeah. Right. Like, they've had some like pretty like out there wins. Yeah. Yeah. Right. It was probably some others, I'm not thinking of. Oh, no, they're definitely are in sag's past. Yeah. All right. So, so let's, let's call it BPM. I mean, I, I feel like it's one battles, you know. So, right, this is interesting. You think

“possibly sinners would would split in director for one battle. I think one battle is fairly”

locked because of the PGA, which I know is such a boring reason. Yeah. But that was just sort of the one last thing I was looking for back at the golf association. Yeah, the right. I just need to know the very strong. He, yeah. It's the kind of year. Yeah. No, that, like, because the PGA has a preferential battle. Yeah. This is the boring technical thing. Right. Like the same way that the Oscars do, that one battle, one that suggested for me what I've known all along, which is like, it's in

everyone's top three, basically. Yeah. The ranks and analysis seems a little bit more polarizing,

like some people don't like a movie about vampires. Yeah. You would probably assume that like the majority, like, um, majority of those ranked ballots, where, you know, one to the, but like, yeah, one battle is somewhere toward the top. It's a lot of them, where a sinner's probably has more y'all to, like, it's, you know, definitely many people's number one, but like, maybe it's down to six or seven for other people. You know, it's, it's what I think will happen. I don't actually

think if one's gonna win. I've got money on it. So, you know, I'm hoping, but big, big, big, big people. Just, I'm just trying to imagine just like the next morning, wake them to. Bagonia sweep, like, you know, with the weirdest, you know, because I do think what would, would that be the weirdest of the times all over the place? Yeah. I think Bagonia would be the weirdest of the ten to win, best picture. I mean, F1 would be somewhat laughable, but yeah. I mean, good job

Bagonia getting those norms. No? No, totally. I mean, it really like, um, it, it held on. It held on. Like, it came out, you know, festivals, people are like, uh, interesting. Like, yeah, pretty good. And then it came out, and that was sort of the reaction again, and it made like some money. Yeah. And it just kind of, like, you know, he's just got his sort of, like, fraction of the academy that's very into his movie. But Gonya also, and, and, and you could probably argue, F1 to,

like, benefited from, like, a few other higher profile hours, like, falling flat, like, just completely dying. Totally. Yeah. Um, weird year. Four Jake. But yeah, I am, they love her in that basement. Yeah.

They never made that movie. I feel like it could have done really well. And that basement was in

“a house of dynamite. Mm. Oh, what? I remember that. I remember that one. So I'm fucked on the”

Vulture. Uh, I think I, 'cause I had a house at dynamite. I didn't have a house dining desk. So my problem was that I over indexed very early on, like, before any reviews were happening, after the hunt and, uh, house of dynamite. As movies just, that just felt like they would appeal to a sort of mid 50s crowd. Yeah. You know, like movies that are about big, serious topics by big, serious directors in, like, fairly traditional kind of. Yeah. Yeah. And then both of those movies

did not go. I did see, I did this cynical, uh, we could for good. I, I bought that and that was really not work out with, did not work out. Not biting on that movie is a triumph for the Academy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Zero. Um, yeah. So I'm predicting one battle, uh, but if, you know, sinners is definitely a close number two. I would say. Okay. So now for, uh, documentation purposes, I'm going to run down the ones we just did, uh, and you're going to tell me your picks. Yes. And then we'll

do, uh, lightning round for the rest of the categories. So best picture. One battle after another. Same. Same best director. PTA. Ryan Cookler. PTA. Best actor. Roger Morrell. Sorry for the show on me. Michael B. Jordan. Best actress. Jessie Buckley. Yeah. For all of us. Jessie Buckley. Onus. Best supporting actor. Bell and scars guard. Sean Penn. Still in scars guard. I'm going to come in. You got to come in. Best supporting actress. Madigan. Girl. So Madigan, right?

And I, I'm Tiana. Yeah, best original screenplay. Seniors. Seniors. Seniors. Best adapted

ready to be. How are they? Best animated feature. Okay, about the amount of time.

Okay, pop. They pop. I did see one on a spell that says I'll never vote for that

“K-pop movie, but I think that was one person. Anyway, best international feature.”

Incredibly, uh, tough category. Yeah. So the sentimental value, because I gave it so many other omniscient. Uh, secret agent. I'm going secret agent, but I don't know. Yeah. Best documentary feature. Perfect neighbor. Mr. Nobody against Putin. I'm picking perfect neighbor. I'm not very confident in that either. Yeah. Best casting. Oh, Seniors. Seniors. It's a, beyond anything else. Francine made sort of selection. Best cinematography. Seniors. I am picking

one battle after another, which is one of the precursors. Okay. Best film editing. Well, one battle. One battle. Always go. Oh, um, yeah, one battle. Best production design. Frankenstein. Frankenstein. Oh, Frankenstein. Best costume design. Frankenstein. It's one all the precursors. Yeah. Best make up and hairstyle like Frankenstein. Frankenstein.

“Hi. Mm. David, are you in the Kakuho hive? Yeah, I love Kakuho. The highest forcing”

live action you happen to film ever released. I genuinely love Kakuho. I'm, I'm really fine. Who know here. Uh, I will pick. I will pick Seniors just for fun. Okay. I like that.

Uh, best original score. Seniors. Seniors. Seniors. There's E.S. Third,

little weeks. Sean Pennstow. Best original song. Golden. Golden song. I've been a song I listened to every single day. I might have sold and best sound. F1. F1. Best visual effects. Avatar. Best animated short. I've seen none of these. Oh, I did predict these. Uh, butterfly. Butterfly because there's a sort of war or two. I'll have to see. Okay. There. Yeah. Yeah, of course, we'll pick the girl who cried pearls. Okay. Best live action short.

Two people exchange in saliva. People exchange in saliva. It seems to be the front. It's a little bit black Mary. It has a consent to it. Friend of Dorothy is, is watched at the other thing. The one was very emotional. So that could win. I mean, they like it. The singer is just because I saw Netflix take out an ad for it in times quick. Yeah, go for it. Yeah. They're like get those wins short. Best documentary short. All the empty room is because it's about

school shootings and it's from a guy who's like famous for being on TV news. So like he's kind of a celebrity.

“But not that I think armed with only a camera, which is about journalists who died in Ukraine.”

Okay. Cool. We did it. We did it. Not cheering up. Yeah, we did. Yeah. So don't hold us to those. These are not legally binding. Yeah. You're not responsible for your losses. Do make money unlike the market. We demand a 5% share actually. I'm actually genuinely interested in, you know, before the war and Iran started, there have been people profiting really handedly and under awful circumstance from these prediction markets. I know that price water has cuppers is supposed to be

like ultra secret. Yeah. But like how many how many people are counting those ballots. Yeah. And then have that that I think they do a good job blocking them. Well, kind of unsettlingly, fade on away and Warren Bady just put $10 million each on on. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to yeah. So that's uh oh. Watch out. fade done away. Will as they should in the studio in the suit of tin foil. Yeah. Yeah. Before we go, I want to ask the three of you just on paper besides the Mario Galaxy

movie. I know that's a lot. I might get's are literally per cent. Not joking. The daughter is so excited. I'm kind of excited about it too. But what are your sight unseen picks for next year front runner best picture. I'm not going to say the Odyssey because it's such a boring answer, but like

obviously the Odyssey's to make move. Always to be an enormous thing. Let's go with um, let's go with

disclosure day, Spielberg. What does Spielberg brings it back around to doing a classic four quadrant, uh you know, alien pop culture hit that also people think is very good. And like it says something about how we live for something. How we live today. I am not going to make a best picture prediction, but I am going to say that a little Tommy Cruz is going to be back in the Oscar. I dig dig. The biggest question of the year. Yeah, I have circled as the most kind of like what's

it's in theory too. It's you know, it's very high profile. Cruz has been sort of the maverick thing, top then brought him back into that sort of fold a bit. And it's also like this is the start of the next stage in his career. He is clearly like I cannot keep holding on to planes forever and like my ankle. David Ellison refuses to shoot me into space. So despite my efforts. Yeah. So yeah, I mean, yeah, huge question mark is so curious about that. Yeah, I, you know, I have no sense

of this year's sort of festival movies right at all. It's really kind of too early. You just got

Yeah. Yes, they're announcing it can line up a night or like an early April. Yeah. Also, I mean,

like what Jordan Peels knew we got bounced from the 2026. Jordan Peels knew we're being

“just now just kind of a question. Oh, wait, what are we talking about the bright?”

That's picture. That's everything. That's bright. I don't think the bride will win best picture. I do think she will host next year's house. And I can go home or the bride. The bride. Every winner has to dance to put it on the reds. It takes so long. It's such a long show.

“Oh, that movie. Let's do a bonus episode about that movie. I would love to.”

I set close to David. Dury that movie. You've never heard a ladder sign. I was I. Boy,

was I sign. I mean, at one of that movie, I'm just I am shifting in a seat. I fell asleep at one point. You know, it was just a great great day at the movie. Cinema. Yeah. The employees I saw

“one battle after a 10 out of a Monday. Not that many times. It's always a time for the bride. All right.”

Well, I won't tell listeners what movie to watch next week because we're just watching the Oscars on Sunday. We're going to be talking about it. Another special guest. Thank you for sticking with us this long through all 10 best picture nominees. Yeah. We'll see you back here next week. Thank you, David for joining us. Thank you. I love different from them.

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