Face to Face

Gleegor was 45 with wavy brown hair and a neatly trimmed beard.

“He wore glasses and a polo shirt with a logo of the company he worked for stitched above the heart.”

Gleegor lived to unattarming street lined with pre-war buildings and a red brick sidewalk. Just down the block was the main drag, a trendy stretch dotted with brunch spots and a trader joes. It was in this picturesque setting that Gleegor was abruptly arrested. Gleegor was surrounded by five plain clothes officers who handcuffed him and led him to a car. Can you tell me what this is about?

Five officers arresting one man would have been an unusual sight on this street.

Not only was Gleegor embarrassed, he also said he was in pain from the handcuffs. In the body camera footage, the officers don't tell Gleegor what he's being arrested for, but he'd find out later that day.

“Gleegor was about to come face-to-face with the cold case detectives who spent years trying to find Leslie Pierce Killer.”

Now that Gleegor was in custody, the detectives would confront him with what their investigation had uncovered. And as you'll hear, Eugene Gleegor didn't take it well. From ABC Audio and 2020, I'm Stephanie Ramos, this is Blood and Water. Episode 6, face-to-face. Have a seat right there.

After Eugene Gleegor was arrested, he was taken into an interrogation room.

Soon after, detectives terror Augustine and Allison DuPoy walked in and took a seat. Sure, you're wondering what this is all about. What is your physical condition today? I'm feeling a little bit caught off guard and I'm from the handcuffs. Okay, is it swelling? Is it a blood clot? I don't know.

I've been holding my hand above my heart, just so hopefully it helps to heal. The detectives began telling Gleegor about the case they'd been working on. We are from Montgomery County. We actually work in the cold case unit. Do you recall back in 2001, Leslie Prier? Yes, that she was murdered.

That's the case that we are investigating. What was your relationship with Lauren? We had dated. When did you guys date? Did you come from her ears?

Exactly. I'm not entirely sure. There were lots of details Gleegor said he didn't remember. When he did answer questions, he didn't reveal all that much.

“When you guys were dating, how close were you with the family?”

Did you spend a lot of time at their house or did you know them real well? I knew the family. I definitely spent time in my house. I spent time at her house. Yeah, for sure. Were you close with her parents?

I wouldn't say close with them. I don't know. Close would be the right word. But they were friendly with me and nice to me.

Or did you guys spend more time at your house?

What did you guys do when you... It was a mix. My house, her house, going out. Young teenagers, so there's going out. Okay.

Watching the footage, Gleegor seems to be holding back. But he's not the only one.

“When detectives began telling Gleegor about the case, they left out key details.”

They did not immediately say, "We have your DNA."

And it matched the crime scene DNA. Instead, what they told them was a little more cryptic. From the crime scene, we have DNA from the person who was there when Leslie died. So there's Leslie's blood all over the place, obviously. But then there's also another DNA profile that was picked up from the crime scene.

And we wanted to find out more about you. And if there was any kind of situation where you could have been at the house at that time. What's fascinating about this interview is that it feels like Gleegor and the detectives are doing a sort of dance. Like both sides are trying to figure out what the other knows without revealing too much about what they themselves know. And it's not just the detectives who are asking questions.

I'm just a little confused to find out more and talk to me. Why not just call me and ask me to come in and talk to me versus have marshals come and arrest me and bring me in. I'm just confused as to why that's the case. Well, because we needed to talk to you in a controlled environment. And because there's a little bit more to it than what we've told you so far. Could you tell me?

Well, we're getting there. I'm trying to give you an opportunity to be a little bit forthcoming before we. I mean, I feel very, I feel a little bit trapped here like,

“Well, you're under arrest. You should be right.”

And so I think, you know, I mean, probably asking for a lawyer is my best course of action at this point. With that, the detectives tell Gleegor, okay, no more questions. That's totally fine. And we don't have to ask you any more questions, but we are going to just tell you some stuff, okay. And then the detectives lay their cards out on the table. We actually have a sample of your DNA and it was compared to the crime scene DNA and it matched.

So we know that you were there at the time when Leslie died.

I never gave a sample of DNA.

That's correct. We obtained a sample from a discarded water bottle that you drank out of. And we collected it after you discarded it into the trash and it was swabbed and it was compared. So your DNA matches the crime scene DNA. I don't know what to say. I have no recollection. I have no memory. I have no. I don't know what to say.

“Okay, well, that's why we wanted to talk to you to find out if there's any other explanation.”

You know, we wanted to try to see if there was another angle or another side to the story and we, you know, we know that. That's what we're trying to figure out. So I don't know. I don't know. You know, I mean, I was in the house, but it was years before. Right. When I dated her. I don't know. I was going to tell you. We don't know.

I found out first. But it was the more, like, it's going to tell me. I mean, we've told you honey, we can't continue to after questions. Yeah. I can tell you more about, you know, what we think happened. I don't, I mean, but you think happened. I don't know. I can't verify. I don't know. I don't recall. I don't have any memory. I didn't do anything that you're talking about.

So I don't know. And I don't feel like I can, I don't know what it is or go into. I don't want to, to incubate myself with questions. You guys are professionals. I'm not, I don't know. I, I really do think I need an attorney. I need to use the phone and I need to call someone and I need to, I need legal representation before I respond to anything else. I, okay. That's fine.

We're not going to ask you any more questions. There's no tears coming out of your face.

You're dry? I'm very dry. I'm really dry. You're dry. You're dry.

I'm very dry. I'm very dry. I'm very dry. I'm very dry. I'm very dry.

I'm very dry. I'm very dry. I'm very dry. I'm very dry. I'm very dry.

I'm very dry. I'm very dry. I'm very dry. I'm very dry.

“I'm just trying to say that this seems a little put on.”

I'm just trying to say that this seems a little put on.

I'm just trying to say that this seems a little put on. I'm just trying to say that this seems a little put on. I'm just trying to say that this seems a little put on. I'm just trying to say that this seems a little put on. I'm just trying to say that this seems a little put on.

I'm just trying to say that this seems a little put on. I'm just trying to say that this seems a little put on. I'm just trying to say that. I'm just trying to say that. I'm just trying to say that.

I'm just trying to say that. I'm just trying to say that. I'm just trying to say that. I'm just trying to say that. In your eyes, it's guilty to approve it and it's not that heavy.

Well, I mean, your DNA was in the crime scene. That's why, like, there's a reason. There's just others, there's, there's due process, right? The process. Are you saying that?

So you're saying I'm guilty before I've even that put it into a court of law, where there's a probable cause to leave that you were there when I think what you're saying was the contrary to that. Okay, but I don't remember. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

We're trying to figure out as how your blood was at the scene that day.

“If there's an alternate explanation, that's why we wanted to talk to you today.”

Okay.

So I feel like you just need to take a breath for a second.

Okay. That's what we're trying to figure out. Why is your blood there? Could it have been, you know, an interrupted burglary to something happened where you didn't expect anybody to be home? I have no idea.

I don't remember and I'm recalling again, you're asking me questions. I don't know. I don't know. You did. You just asked me a question.

And I asked for legal representation and you guys are very smart, smart-looking at me. Like I'm like I've done something and of course it's innocent until proven guilty, right? Am I wrong or am I right? You are entitled to your due process, absolutely. This isn't sane.

This isn't sane. I don't. You keep saying you don't remember and you don't have any recollection.

“But if somebody was not involved, it would be an adamant I didn't know.”

I didn't do it. I definitely didn't do it. Eugene Gleegore was adamant, but the detectives, they weren't buying it and they later told me what they were thinking as this unusual interview continued to unfold. Meditians, yoga, jogging, nothing is possible.

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If you were rehearsing in your head, what you would say, 23 years waiting to be caught for a murder, I'm guessing he had been working on his performance for a while. Last summer, when I interviewed detectives Tara Augustin and Allison DuPoy, we watched the footage of their interview with Eugene Glee Gore. The camera was positioned high above the room, too far up to read Glee Gore's face clearly.

But the detectives insisted, Glee Gore's tears were not real.

That was my opinion of it, sitting there watching it.

He sounds emotional, he sounds like he's crying. You can't really see it from the angle, but you could. Both of you could. You're sitting right across your toes, taking his glasses off, rubbing his eyes, performance all like time.

The detectives said Glee Gore wanted to come off as someone to feel sorry for. An innocent man who just happened to be in handcuffs and you called him out of that. I guess what was going through my mind was if a jury were to watch this, it's not close up enough to show that he's really not crying and his performance to me looked very fake, but I don't know what it's going to look like to 12 people who weren't for feet

away from him. He was very much wanting to be the victim in the situation. You want to make sure that the focus is Leslie. She's the victim here. He's not the victim.

I've been in alcoholic and recovery for years now. I've been sober for years and there are many, many times in which it, earlier life wasn't great, but at the same time, I know I didn't do it. I know I wasn't involved and I just don't understand how this has come to this. I really wish I knew and I really wish I could tell you some, give you some answers and

give you more feedback from an honest perspective because I just don't know. I just don't know.

“I don't know either, that's why we wanted to talk to you.”

I don't know why your blood is there. Wow. The only person that knows is Leslie and she can't tell us. Wow. When you walked out of that room, what went through your mind?

What were you thinking? I was frustrated because I wanted to be able to get answers to the family and he just wasn't providing any. At the time of Eugene Glygore's arrest, Lauren Prayer had lived through more than two decades of pain and confusion.

From 2001 on, the mystery of who killed her mother remained unsolved and for years suspicion hung over her father, Sandy Prayer.

Sandy died without knowing the truth, he never got closure and Lauren thought she might not

either, but when we spoke, Lauren told me there came a moment, sometime in the years after her father died, where she felt like she might finally be able to make peace with everything that had happened. If I have to accept this, then I have to, because my parents took together and I can't live the rest of my life every single day in pain and in fear and scared and sad, that's

“not the right path, the right path is, it happens and you have to give yourself grace,”

but you can't live every single day with tear and fear and sadness, you're never going to get through. So you were already telling yourself, I need to accept this. Correct. My parents are gone, I lay two of all on, and then you get the call.

And in my world was once again upside down. Throughout the investigation, the cold case detectives had followed standard procedure. They told Lauren little to nothing about what they were uncovering. She had no idea that her high school boyfriend was a suspect. So when her phone rang on June 18th, 2024, the day of Glee Gore's arrest, that was the

moment that Lauren finally learned the truth.

“She calls you, she says, you're a Glee Gore, killed your mom, what goes through your mind?”

You can't even process it. I was in shock, I said, what, I'm still in shock, and total shock. I was like, are you sure it's like, yeah, your ex-boyfriend killed your mother, yes. Did you ever think Eugene would be capable of something like this? Nobody did.

No one. I mean, I love him, back then, I really did. That's kind of hurt to know that he's the person responsible for the loss of your mom.

And the fact that somebody knew that a day did, what's the problem with, is insane.

As Lauren grappled with this news, detectives asked, what she remembered about Eugene and their relationship. Detective Allison DuPoy. Lauren said, you know, my mom would have given him anything he wanted if he had just asked.

You know, meaning this was unnecessary, she would have helped him if he needed help. My mom has just opened door, you know, when he was he who he was when I dated him, she loved him. She had ordered him. My mom totally took him in.

That really stuck with me, because that was the kind of person Leslie was.

“I think she was just a sweetheart that was just trying to do the best she can and would have”

helped any of her daughter's friends if they needed it. The news of Eugene Glee Gore's arrest spread quickly among the people who knew him. Lisa Wood, one of Lauren's friends from high school, remembers Lauren calling her. I answer the phone and she said, it was him. When she said it was him, I'm like, what are you talking about?

And then she said, it was Eugene. And still at that point, I'm thinking, what are you talking about? And she's like, Eugene, Eugene killed my mom and I still cannot, I just still can't wrap my head around that. This copicetic Zen person who had all this advice murdered someone?

Jordan Wires, Eugene's former colleague and mentee. He showed us photos of him and Eugene smiling with their colleagues. Jordan struggled to make sense of his memories of Eugene, given what he knows now. It's just a little scary knowing that the person who pet our cat and the person that was just standing here in this photo with me, extinguish the life of another human being.

I'm looking at him now through a different lens of what I know and the person that back

“then wouldn't have thought twice about being enough picture with him, right?”

It's like, oh, it's Eugene, and now I'm just wondering what's going on behind those eyes. After 23 years, someone was in custody for the murder of Leslie Prier, but Eugene Gleegor's arrest didn't answer the question at the core of this case. Why?

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In June 2024, Eugene Glygore was arrested and charged with first-degree murder.

If convicted, he faced a possible life sentence.

With prosecutors and Glygore's attorneys making a flurry of filings. And then, in April 2025, things came to a screeching halt when Eugene Glygore pled guilty

to murder in the second degree.

As a result, Glygore would avoid life in prison and there would be no trial. I asked Lauren about Eugene's plea. "What was your reaction to that?" "Thank God. You didn't want to go to trial."

And now, that would have been hell. No trial meant avoiding long days in court. Days likely spent looking at gruesome evidence. Plus there's no guarantee that a trial would have answered the big question at the center of this case.

“Why on earth did Eugene Glygore murder Leslie Prier?”

Still, in digging through court filings and evidence collected by police, there are

hints that might help explain how the grizzly events of May 2, 2001 came to pass. I asked Detective Tara Augustin for her theory of the case. Based on all of this evidence, what do you think happened to Leslie that morning when she was killed? I think that Eugene thought no one was at home and didn't expect for Leslie be there and

she came downstairs and confronted him and I think in his mind, he realized he was caught because it's not just a stranger, somebody who knows exactly who he is. And instead of just admitting that he was wrong or talking to her about it, I think that he just panicked and only thought about himself and made a selfish decision to kill Leslie in the heated moment just so he could get away.

Also cuters would later file a sentencing memo, a quoted an account of that day from Glygore.

“It reads, "On May 1, 2001, Mr. Glygore remembered drinking both shots and mixed drinks.”

He stated that he vaguely remembered driving to work and stopping off at the Prier House around 9.30am on May 2, 2001. He recalled a vague memory of going into the house and he and Ms. Prier having some sort of a physical altercation. He does not recall placing her in the shower or trying to clean up the crime scene."

On the day Glygore appeared in court, enter his plea, Lauren was in the room. She was once again in the presence of her high school boyfriend, but this time, under vastly different circumstances. "What was it like to be so close to him?" "It was a horrifying, did he look at you?"

"No. Nothing. He didn't look at anybody, but he knew." "It's this time, Mr. Glygore, you do have the absolute right to address the court before I sent a shoe in this matter."

A few months after Glygore took a plea deal, in August of 2025, he appeared before judge for his sentencing. "It was there that Glygore made a statement." "Good honor." "I want to express my deepest regret, shame, and remorse for the devastating tragedy that

I caused, taking the life of Leslie Prier." In his statement to the court, Glygore said he wanted to atone for the pain and suffering he had caused. He also said he had buried and suppressed his thoughts of the tragedy, for most of his adult life.

"I'm sorry it's taken me this long to take full responsibility.

“I'm grateful the time has come, and release the secret is over."”

Glygore also spoke about his mental state around the time of the murder. "I had many blackouts leading up to the evening of May 1st, in the morning of May 2nd, as in one, but none that resulted in the most regretful and devastating event of my life."

"I've never been a violent person.

I vaguely remember leaving the Prier house in the morning, but the rest is a blur." "I know Lauren and Leslie's family want to know why I was there and what happened. I'm sorry I'm unable to remember and provide an explanation." "I've asked myself the same questions many times." "I never had any issue with Leslie, no it will, or now it's their malevolent intent.

If anything, I owed her a dead of gratitude for being so kind to me when I dated Lauren." "I was later I remember hoping and praying that she was not dead that she would revive."

"So Lauren and Leslie's family, I'm so sorry for causing you so much misery in hardship."

"I can't believe I did this to you, or I've always had a piece of our relationship in love in my heart."

"I only have positive memories of us in your mom. You're a part of my family and I felt that I was a part of yours. I know this must have been a nightmare." To prosecutors, Gleehor's recollection of the day in question was a little too tidy.

“In a filing, the state wrote, "The defendant's account of what he does and doesn't remember”

conveniently allows him to avoid taking full responsibility for the most gruesome and calculated aspects of the murder."

The state finds the defendant's selective memory implausible.

At the sentencing, Lauren Prier also spoke, "She addressed Gleehor directly. She called him a monster and a wolf in sheep's clothing. And she asked, "Why would you kill my mom?" Gleehor was sentenced to 22 years in prison, with five years of supervised probation. He's currently serving time in a state prison about two hours northwest of Chubby Chase."

After 24 years, Leslie Prier's killer is behind bars, and Lauren Prier has answers.

“But talking about her mom and dad is still a bit of sweet.”

"You said someone's a little bit of your mother, she seemed like a wonderful, wonderful mom."

"It's no idea. She was my hope, my pride, my joy, my beauty." "I just learned to start much." "I became a different person in my world changed completely. I had this perfect world before this all happened, perfect.

I mean, everyone has their ups and downs, but it was a wonderful world. It was happy. I mean, I'm still happy, you know what I mean, I'm not just like this person, and it sits in the dark in my cries every day, but it's in my soul very much." Your father, I mean, forgot to say this case, solved.

“How do you process that knowing that he was so close to seeing the state?”

I mean, I talked to them every day, I had pictures of them, and I guess better, and I talked to them. I said, "I wish you had been here." I said, "Daddy, thank you for being such a wonderful father, and I'm so sorry that you didn't get to see justice, but you're getting justice." Blood and water is a production of ABC audio and 2020, hosted by me, Stephanie Robos, produced by Madeleine Wood, Shane McKinney, and Kira Powell, with help from Emily Schutz and Katelyn Schiffer, edited by Gianna Palmer, our supervising producer is Susie Lou,

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