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into her parents' house on Drum and Avenue to collect some of her things while the investigation continued, the blood she saw offered a terrifying account of her mother's last moments. She was running for her life.
My parents had a long hallway
between the front door and her kitchen. There is blood all over the hallway. It looked like Leslie Prier had struggled
“against an attacker all across the ground floor”
until she couldn't. They know she was killed by the front door. There was like this, like her, the back of her head was smashed against the wall, and then there was like, "Blood snooze, don't wall."
I think she was just trying to escape. When investigators started trying to piece together, what had happened, they too followed the blood. They sprayed a chemical called luminal all over the house. It glows blue when it comes into contact
with even the smallest amount of blood. Thanks to the luminal, investigators now saw new clues, previously undetectable to the naked eye. Big, blue swoops and smears where someone had seemingly tried to clean up even more blood.
The luminal showed that Leslie was likely already dead when someone had dragged her body up the stairs into the shower. I had to walk through that. There is still loon all over the hallway all the way up the stairs.
“Through the bedroom, my parents must have bedroom,”
and I stopped at their bed. I couldn't do it. I couldn't go in the bathroom. I couldn't do it. I couldn't.
Leslie's last moments were painfully clear to Lauren. But other parts of the story were still a mystery. Like who was Leslie prior trying to escape from? And the scary part was, is that they tried to put it on my father. I said, now, I'm like, my dad loved my mom, loved a door to her.
I said, my dad would never count my mom.
In the days after Leslie's death, investigators turned their attention to Sandy Prior. And just as the luminal had uncovered you details about the story of Leslie's death, there were more revelations to come.
This time, about the Prior's marriage. Was this a routine with her to get fairly well and need to read it every night? Um, it will be us. From ABC audio and 2020, I'm Stephanie Ramos.
And this is Blood and Water. Episode 2, The Husband. At the time of her death, Leslie had been married to Sandy for 27 years. They met a students in Pensacola, Florida,
and got married right out of college in 1974. Their daughter, Lauren, was born a few years later. She showed me family photos of those early days. Who's in this photo? Well, that's me.
Oh, I know. So we're talking, this must have been 1977. When I was born, and this is my Sandy Kush. And then my mom. So we were a happy family of three of us.
In one of the pictures, Sandy and Leslie sit on a sofa together with Baby Lauren on their laps. Leslie looks radiant. Sandy, with his big smile and thick-rimmed glasses, has his arm around her.
They look happy. This is Scott. Oh, my God. He's so young there. And this is Harlan.
So these are the four brothers and four sisters. Leslie was one of eight siblings. So Lauren grew up with a lot of cousins. And the family was close. They would go on vacation together in laws like Sandy
were welcomed in and became part of the family, too. Sandy would write long email to Leslie's parents, littered with jokes tailored to the recipient. He was funny, now goofy way. Lauren says her dad could be spontaneous.
She showed me pictures of the two of them together. This is the Montgomery County Fair. I was home from college. And my dad and I just said, let's go to the fair.
Off they went, did all the rides.
In the picture, Lauren's leaning on Sandy's shoulder,
“both of them holding fried food and grinning.”
That's the kind of father my dad was. He'd on a dime. He was, say, by said, let's go to the fair. He'd be like, let's go to the fair. Before she worked at the advertising company,
Lauren's mom had been a court reporter. Sandy worked at a consultancy firm. A suit and tie job dealing with defense contracts. The three of them moved into the house on Drummond Avenue in 1993 when Lauren was in high school.
What was Lauren like back then? Sweet, saucepoken, outgoing, mischievous. Definitely mischievous. Bryce Thomas was one of Lauren's prayers best friends back then. They're still close today.
When Lauren wasn't high school, she and her friends would congregate at the prayer house. The whole gang got to know Leslie and Sandy prayer. The couple seemed solid. They were rare or mixed, interested in their daughter's life,
but cool enough to hang out with.
Ms. Per was always so engaging.
“We've made you feel welcome, and you don't think”
about these things too much as a kid. But now when you look back at it, you're like, yeah, she was more involved, really wanted to meet us and figure who were these kids hanging out with my daughter, you know?
The core group that was often together included Lauren, Bryce, Lauren's best friend, Lisa, and Lauren's boyfriend, Eugene, a kid from the neighborhood. The pictures Lauren showed me include awkward teen group photos,
but also a lot of her and her parents. Lauren says that as a teenager, she had some rebellious moments, but her relationship with her parents was always good. - You see, photos like these. It was welcome to mind that they were the best parents.
We just had so much of luck for each other, and we had so much fun together. And a lot of people or friends don't have the same relationship with their parents, joining me. - Lauren remembers her family as closer than most,
and their red brick house and drum and avenue, as the setting for a lot of these happy scenes. But what had been Lauren's home was now a crime scene, with new pictures taken by investigators. Instead of a smiling family inside,
there were luminous smears and blood drops. And as the investigators began to piece together the facts of the case, it became clear. Sandy and Leslie prayer were far from picture perfect. - Here comes the wits of murder mystery comrade in this year,
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- From the crime scene, it seemed clear that Leslie Prear was murdered, but investigators hadn't announced it officially yet. Two days after the nine one one call, the police were still grappling
with what the blood was trying to tell them. They wanted to establish a timeline of the days before Leslie's death. And for that, they turned to Sandy Prear. - Chase Day is May 4th, 2001,
and it is 11.05 a.m. This is Jim Jerry with the County Police, an Oscar Michael Turner, and we're talking with them. - Investigators interviewed Sandy Prear
in his hotel room.
They're tone in the recordings from that day is calm,
but not warm. They asked Sandy to tell them about what he'd been doing the day before the body was found. It was a Tuesday, and Sandy said he'd gotten up and gone to work as usual.
Afterwards, he said he didn't go straight home. He had some errands to run. - I went to the mall, my gun ring mall
“to circuit city express, and did I go someplace else?”
Or did I just go to the mall?
- At first, Sandy didn't seem to remember the evening
all that clearly, but then it all came back to him. - Oh, wait. I, it hit, okay, I know what I did. I, I, I was taking some computer stuff to the, to the dump Tuesday because I was members.
I got to get there by eight o'clock. I thought he'd get there by eight o'clock. I said, okay, I need to leave here by seven. We're 17 in order to make sure that I get out there, so we have some spare computer equipment.
- Sandy told detectives in detail about meeting to find camera parts, and recycle electronic waste. He said he didn't get home until late, around 9pm. - I was really beat, I went to bed, I went to bed around 9.30 that night. It was Tuesday night.
- Life was home when I got there. Kiss me, good night. - You have dinner? - No, no. - You know she had dinner.
- She would, she would cook.
“She would cook on, like every other day,”
every third day or something like that.
She would always cook pasta or some chicken
or something like that. - But that night I didn't have dinner, I'm not sure if she cooked it. I'm not sure if she had, I just came around, just wasn't right to bed. - Sandy said that he recalled Leslie coming to bed after him
and waking in the night. Lately he said she'd been having trouble sleeping. The detectives asked him about another part of Leslie's daily routine, alcohol. Sandy said she would have wine when she got home,
and he said, "Not just one glass." - How many? Is this important? - Oh my God. She would have a lot.
She would have a lot, and in all honesty,
it's one of the reasons why kind of come home late because I just really, it was just kind of, it was kind of just getting hard to deal with. - Sandy told detectives that he would often come home to find Leslie at a had a lot to drink.
He said she would slur her words and that her personality would change. He found her difficult to be around. - Were these a source of arguments between Osir? - Sure.
“- Definitely. - I think we talked just briefly”
the other day, and the drive and we were asking about the staying on the ceiling, right? You said that was from wine. - It was from wine, and what that came from was she had too much to drink that night.
And there was a glass of wine on the counter. And just flustered, just slung it like just slung the wine, the glass, and I didn't let go of the glass. Just slung the liquid, I said something long gone. You don't need any more of this.
- Oh, I'm going with that. I would say that was within two weeks. It was just been pretty recent. - Sandy described how these arguments were getting worse in the weeks leading up to Leslie's death.
He said that her drinking had to put a strain on their relationship. - I just didn't enjoy being with someone who, in that condition, who had too much to drink. I mean, he had to make sure you, whatever you said,
because she could take it any, any other way, when she got cranked up. And it was a, it was shut it down. You could shut it, you couldn't shut, get away from whatever that subject she may be on.
- She, but just keep, just, just bam, bam, bam. Just keep coming out, just keep coming out. - And it was, it was, it wasn't fun. - It wasn't just the arguments. Sandy described one time when he and Leslie
had been in an argument, and he said, he turned away from her. He felt Leslie's fist hit hit, right in his back. - Did that ever over?
No, I didn't react to it.
- You have that's what you're gonna ask me.
- Well, I know, I mean, I never,
the most violent ever got was I grab her, and just say, you know, you got to snap out of, like grabbing her by her shoulders, you know, you got to snap out of it. But that I did that, you know, one time,
you know, really hit the wall. I'm nothing smashing or anything, hit the wall, and she's burst in tears and I'm thinking, "God, what am I doing?" So, so I'm pretty much controlled myself
to register what I wasn't going. It was not going to go in there. - You can see how Sandy's reactions to what was happening around him might have looked all to investigators.
“Remember, right after Sandy had first seen the blood”
in the foyer, and the officers had arrived at the house to investigate, Sandy had made a joke. You mean business, he'd said. And now, in a police interview about his wife's death,
Sandy was volunteering descriptions of heated arguments he'd had with Leslie, some in the weeks before her death. And at this point, Leslie's death had not been formally announced as a homicide.
48 hours out, the official language was that the case was being treated as suspicious, but it's hard to believe that Sandy didn't realize how his description of his marriage was to have looked to investigators.
- Did you know that you ever discussed the divorce or separation?
We never seriously discussed it
because we loved each other, dearly. They were times where I'd say, "I didn't screw you, I'm divorcing you." To me, that's not a discussion. It's not when we sit down like this
and talk about seriously getting a divorce. And I don't think there would be. Even though things were really starting to escalate. - If detectives thought these revelations about the prayer's relationship were surprising,
they hid it well and kept on moving through the timeline of events. They zeroed in on the morning of Wednesday,
“May 2nd, the most important window for the investigation.”
Sandy said it was just like any other day. - Okay, so you both got up about seven a.m. You just did you shower? Oh, yeah, yeah. - Yeah.
- Usually I always use the one in the masturbate.
- Sandy was just as detailed about Wednesday morning as he had been about Tuesday evening. He said that after he showered, he left for work. It was around 7.35 a.m. He remembered specifically
because he had a board meeting that day. And it wanted to be there early. He got to his office at around 7.50. At 9 a.m. he said his secretary put a call from Leslie
through to his office phone. - She sound not distressed, not sad anyway. Nope, nope, not in the list. From where did she sound?
“Do you want to know if I had taken or put up”
the formula for role to a paper pack that she had put, that was odd the stairways. The stairway is going up to the room. - In Sandy's telling this conversation about toilet paper was the last conversation
of their 27 year marriage. At around 11.30 that morning, Leslie's boss, Brett Ritty called him to say, she hadn't shown up at work. And in our after that, Sandy described
standing outside the house waiting for police to finish their search. - An officer, Barnett, came out and I'll never forget. I came here and said Mr. Prey or Sir,
he said your wife's dead. - And you know, of course, broke up right there. But there's the finality of it, right? It wasn't expecting us. - In his hour and a half interview
with the detectives, Sandy broke down twice. Once when he talked about the scene inside the front door and at Drummond Avenue, and once about being told that his wife was dead, in those moments in the interview, Sandy's emotions seemed to match his situation.
A husband who'd lost his wife just two days earlier,
and yet, as the interview wrapped up, it was clear that Sandy had done little to ease the detective suspicions or eliminate himself as a suspect. - And evidence from the crime scene was about to make things even worse for Sandy Preyre.
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detectives received word.
Their department would be giving a statement
on the case to the press. Leslie's cause of death was officially going to be reported as strangulation and blunt force trauma. According to investigators, the autopsy had also said that it was possible that Leslie Prier was killed
on Tuesday night. The night before her body was found. Leslie's body was left under hot running water in the shower after her death, likely as part of an attempt by the perpetrator
to clean up the scene. The temperature of the water had sped up the decomposition process, making it hard to be sure of the exact time that Leslie died. And there was undi-justed food in Leslie's stomach, pasta.
If fit with Leslie being killed a short time after eating the very dinner that Sandy had just told detectives his wife often made. Sandy's recollection of his Tuesday evening and Wednesday morning was now in question.
If Leslie had been killed on Tuesday night and it was still an if, had Sandy driven around town to give himself an alibi. His entire story depended on Leslie being alive on Wednesday morning and detectives thought
that the evidence suggested otherwise. In his hotel room, detectives told Sandy what would soon be public information. Leslie was murdered. They wrote in their notes that Sandy hung his head
for around a minute and then said, "I feel I know where this is going." Unfortunately, when it comes to homicides, domestic partner homicides are not rare. This estate's attorney, John McCarthy,
he's worked in Maryland law enforcement for 45 years. He says he understands why investigators were focused on Sandy prayer. Quite canily if you look at the cataloging of homicides over the time that I've been in the office here,
I wouldn't say that, particularly if you're a woman, within 50% of the time, if you're a homicide victim in this county, the person who's responsible
“for taking your life is your enemy partner.”
That's been McCarthy's professional experience and it's supported by national statistics. According to the Department of Justice, women are five times more likely to be killed by an intimate partner than male murder victims.
And the marriage that Sandy had described was volatile. So when Sandy insisted to investigators that Leslie had been alive when he left her on Wednesday morning, the detectives weren't convinced. In their notes, they wrote that Sandy told them,
"I have been honest with you to the best of my knowledge. "I didn't kill my wife.
"The phrase to the best of my knowledge was underlined twice.
From this moment on, the focus on Sandy
would be much more pointed.
“What they wanted from him now was a confession.”
Even before word spread that Sandy prayer was a suspect, Leslie's death had rocked to their quiet suburban community. The town of Chevy Chase has zero homicides. And that you probably could count on one hand, the number of homicides.
Maybe over a 10 or 20 year period of time in a town like Chevy Chase. So as you can imagine when something like this does become public, it sometimes comes with a lot of panic. - Detectives had questioned the neighbors
a long-term end avenue on the day Leslie's body was found.
At the time, none of them reported anything unusual,
just shock at what had happened. With the increased scrutiny of Sandy, things started to change. One month after the murder, a neighbor told police
“that he remembered seeing all the lights on”
in the prayer house at 2 AM, the day the body was found. He thought it was odd. Two months after the killing, another neighbor told investigators that she remembered Sandy leaving the house around 735 AM,
as he told detectives. But she thought Sandy seemed like he was making an effort to have eye contact with her, which she said seemed out of character. - Was he trying to call attention?
Was he trying to create some kind of that? You think through these things to determine whether or not in some way does that play into someone trying to cover up the velvet timeline and things like that? - There were two more pieces of the puzzle
that detectives thought looked bad for Sandy. The first phone records.
“Back in 2001, call records were harder to verify,”
so investigators couldn't confirm that 9 AM call Sandy said Leslie had made to him about the toilet paper. And then, there was the polygraph. In the days after Leslie's death,
Sandy cooperated with everything the police asked of him. He gave them access to his work computer and his phone. He allowed them to take photographs of small cuts on his body, and he volunteered to take a polygraph test. Perhaps he thought it would help with the suspicions
growing around him, but it didn't, because Sandy failed. Investigators told me that failing a polygraph test by itself might not have meant much. Polygraph's arm, after all, notoriously unreliable, but taken with all the other odd details
from Sandy's interactions with police, his position as number one suspect was assured. It wasn't just the detectives. A lot of people were looking at Sandy and wondering what he was capable of,
even his daughter, Lauren. I mean, I had my moment or a question. Could he really go that far? Nothing they ever had, but any major, you know, every married long-term married couple
has their arguments, but they never argued in front of me.
But I could hear them, sometimes when I was upstairs in my room. I asked them to come home. They said no. And I believed him.
Lauren's moment of doubt passed, but to pretty much every one else, Sandy Prier looked guilty. The story, the blood told, wasn't finished though. There was one more piece of evidence, one small detail that would change
the entire narrative of this case. The police came to us in August telling us there was DNA found in Leslie's fingernails. But then you got the wrong guy. New evidence will throw Sandy Prier a lifeline,
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