EP: 414 The Sixth Day: Creation, the Fall and the Crucifixion with Rabbi Jason Sobel

You have to understand what the tabernacle

and the temple represents.

“The tabernacle was a portable garden of Eden.”

- Yeah. - Is a return to the garden of Eden. God's presence is now among the people, but the people aren't holy, so there has to be a barrier separation

between God and the people or God will judge the people because of his holiness can't be in the unholyness. And so God creates a house and he creates a barrier and the last barrier is a veil. And on that veil, our cherubim,

the cherubim, that guarded the way to the garden, Eden, that prevented the people from going in, where cherubim, flaming and jellic, looked like fiery swords, that prevented people. The same thing was on the veil.

So when the veil and retent too is like, okay, Eden is open again, connection is restored. You're not barred, you're not an exile.

I'm welcoming you into my presence

to reestablish relationship like I walk with Adam and Eve in the garden, but even more intimately, I'm not just gonna walk among you, I'm gonna live in you. - The history of our earth is so different from what we can imagine.

- Joy to church. - This Smithsonian, that if they found out about large skeletons somewhere, was to go get it, I'm gonna assume at least one person is right because if one person's right at bus to Paris,

it all goes back to the phone, cherub. And the problem with the modern day church, they had a very truncated view of the supernatural. - This backdrop, this is just pregnant with all kinds of meaning associated

with this Mount Hermann of the end. - What? - Oh, we do. - And this guy, defects from the kingdom. That's a big deal.

- All right, welcome back to blurry creatures. We're gonna go ride into this one. Any downs and Troy River gave us the green light for you to come on. - So to chat, hey, so free about chat.

- Oh, chat is chat. - Well, it's like, oh, you don't need to talk to you. - Rabbi Jason's still, we got to talk to him. - Former foot locker, referee. - Former referee?

- Yeah. - And now Messianic Rabbi, author and just, we're excited to get to know you. Rabbi Jason, so we'll in the house in the blurry basement. - Welcome.

- Come on, it's great to be here with you guys. Thanks for having me. - We're excited. We kick off every episode. We don't have a lot of time today, but what are your thoughts

on Bigfoot? - Think about that.

“- What do you think about him and then we'll get into it?”

- Hey, man, I'm all four big foot, man. I think he's out there somewhere. I don't know. I grew up a big, big interest in Bigfoot when I was a little kid. - Really?

- You loved it. - What do you think? - Well, I think, who knows, maybe he's related to the Nephilim, I don't know, he's something. He's something, enter, enter dimensional being.

I don't know. He's far ahead of most of us, I love it. - Tell us about your story, though. What's your background, your testimony, and how does it happen?

How does a rabbi come to know Jesus? - How does a rabbi know about the Nephilim? - There you go, well, it's in the Torah, but it's an inch, it's got as a good sense of humor. I grew up in a Jewish family in the Holy Land, New Jersey,

where there were more Jews in Jerusalem. grew up going to Hebrew school, bar mitzheud, whilst most of my family during the Holocaust were being Jewish or something that was really important, but became a hip hop DJ.

It was working in a larger, courting studio in New York City with a lot of famous hip hop artists. And as I looked at the lives of all these famous people, I said to myself, there has to be more to life than just this.

I began a spiritual journey, started to study with my traditional rabbi, but also got into martial arts and through that meditation. And one day I was meditating and my soul began to vibrate and it left my body, went through the ceiling,

through the clouds, and the next thing I know was standing in heaven, and there was this king high and lifted up in this glorious light. And I felt the power of God pulsated through every cell of my body.

It's an indescribable experience. He told me I was called a servant, and then I knew that king was Jesus. I knew nothing about Jesus. No one ever shared with me about Jesus,

but I knew that was Jesus. Next thing I know is down in my body, going, I'm called to serve him, and I'm running around my house, and my mom's like, you're called to serve,

“you're called to serve, who were Jewish for goodness sake?”

- Yeah. - But I didn't come to faith at that moment. - Wow.

- Because again, I never heard anyone share with me about him.

And literally, I thought Jesus was a nice Jewish kid who converted and became Roman Catholic, because I didn't know any Jewish kids by the name of Jesus, but the mother's by the name of Mary, because he drew his Miriam, and just like I'm Jason Sobel,

I literally thought Christ was his last name. I was like, the Christ family, yeah,

Mr. and Mrs. Christ, great people.

“I had no idea that Christ was the Greek for Christos,”

which is the wheat for the Hebrew Messiah, or Messiah. A noointed one, no idea. My best friend comes to faith. He said, Jason, could you tell the difference between the old and the New Testament?

I said, sure, he read me in this passage. He was bruised for our transgressions. He was crushed for our equities, by his stripes were healed. He said, is that the old and the new, I said, is clearly the New Testament.

He said, no, that's Isaiah 53, the Hebrew prophet, speaking 700 years before Jesus walked the face of the earth, I began to be provoked to jealousy, invited me to this messianic congregation, at the end of the evening, they dim the lights, prayed.

I figured I needed all help, I can get, so I prayed. Instead, if you prayed for the first time, this prayer raised your hand, erase my hand, is that if you raise your hand, you've just been born again. I said, I don't know what it means for a Jewish kid

to be born again. I gave my mother enough trouble, and I was born once. I'm not giving born again.

“But they said, we saw you raise your hand,”

you have to stand up. We're not going anywhere until I stood up. They gave him the first New Testament I'd ever seen. Took it home, read it, blown away how Jewish it was. Jesus celebrated the Jewish holidays,

all the Messianic prophecies. But the thing that really impacted me was that what Jesus said to me, in that encounter in heaven was a verse

from the New Testament which I'd never read.

Never even seen a New Testament. And I was like, okay, he's the Messiah. Believe in him, he begins to transform my life one week later, I had a friend who was in the hospital homeless, went to see him, he was going to have to have his legs amputated

from frostbite, prayed for him, since silver and gold have I now but having the name of Jesus rise, take up your bed and walk, I read the book of Acts just before. He got healed, he came to faith, and he walked out of the hospital, a week later, and that began my spiritual journey.

Wow. Did I love that? You know what, Jesus is so cool to hear. What an intro. It's a great, I mean, very blurry.

But the zeal of, this was some press on me when we talked to folks on the show, sometimes the zeal people that are freshly converted, they want to go out and just, they believe they can go out and do the things in Acts.

“And they do them, I think about some people”

we've had in the show that were like radically saved, and they're like, I want to go do deliverance, I want to go pray for people to be healed.

And there's something like really amazing about that

because I think people that grew up in church, like Nate and I, at some point along the way, I don't know what happens. I kind of get to road it, you're like, you believe that stuff, but maybe that was for a different time,

not saying that doesn't happen because we're not cessation of something. But like, you know, I had to have an experience myself in Southeast Asia when I was 23, 24, with Y-way, I'm going to talk about the show before,

but like where I saw a guy out of the hill people and I was like, man, dude, he's still in this business. I know he's in the business. I knew he has been in the business, he's still in the business.

That's just inspiring. How does your family react to you having a conversion? So I come to faith in Jesus. Is he where name is Yeshua? And so I hide the Bible in my bedroom

'cause God forbid, my parents should find it. Of course, I should have realized you can't I had anything from your mom, that's the truth. I just turned 20 at the time. She finds the Bible, confronts me,

go meet with the rabbi, you've joined a call. So I get my tonight, my Jewish version of the Old Testament, outline all of them and start reading all the Messianic prophecies, highlighting them to make my case met with the rabbi. That really began my passion for connecting the old

and the new, which is what we do in our books and my work with the chosen TV series, the spiritual advisor. And that's kind of like a passion, but as they saw that my faith in Jesus didn't make me less Jewish, it actually made me more Jewish

because Jesus celebrated all the Jewish holidays, all these things pointed to him, all these things find their fulfillment in him. And when we understand these connections between the old and the new, I like to describe it kind of

like this, one year before the Super Bowl, I went out and bought a high-definition television. And everyone's like, it's gonna change the way you see the game. I'm so excited, I'm watching the game. I'm like, I don't know what everyone's talking about.

It's like a bunch of hype, it's not that great. And then at the end of the game, I'm bored, I'm flip it through the channels, and I have a realization. The higher channels are the high-definition channels.

I watch the whole game of the standard television. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Right, so I feel like a lot of times people read the Bible and standard definition, and it goes to high-definition when we understand the deeper connections in the scripture

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We didn't have that in the 80s though. We did not. We had something like this. We did not. We did not.

The fuzz and you had to hit it a couple of times. Grab it here. You got to move them. I was the remote for my grandparents. Yeah.

They were like, go change the channel. Yeah. And then you had the cable box that was actually wired into the cable. Right. Yeah.

The button. That was funny. You guys didn't love this.

Like you shared my first job was in Foot Locker.

And so, a number of years ago, my kids were younger, we were in Foot Locker, and they had this sign in Foot Locker. And in the sign, it's like for these retro Jordans, and they're like a yellow and black. And there's a checkered taxi cab, and then there's a yellow and black box in it.

“And my kids are like, look at it, like, what is that box?”

What could that be? They can't figure it out. I'm just laughing like kids. That's called a walkman. We used to have these things called cassettes.

[laughter] They used to have a cable. Yeah. Then it's a disc man, as they put those into your tape bag, and then they're in the car. Yeah.

But do you have a new book transformed by the Messiah? Yes. Is that out or is it coming out? It's out. All right.

Let's go. Why did you want to write this book? What was the impetus behind behind this? Yeah. It's called transformed by the Messiah, how the old and new testament Jesus connection reveals

God's intentional story for your life. And part of our passion behind it is that when you understand how intentional God is, so every detail mentioned in the Bible has a reason and communicates something of significance, then you begin to realize in the same way God has involved in every detail of our life. There's nothing wasted, there's nothing, there's nothing extra, it's all there for a reason.

And I think that generates a hope in our life, and it helps us to fall more in love with the Word of God, more in love with Jesus as we understand His story from its original biblical historical context.

a road trip from New Jersey to Florida, back in the day in our big old Woody station wagon. You have to wear seatbelts. There are no laws, child safety laws, you just play in the back of the car, bring your toys right, and we had no iPads or iPhones or Game Boys, so my parents gave me activity

books, right, and one of my favorite things in the activity books was the connected dots. And there was something so satisfying when you saw the picture coming to focus after you connected the dots. And this book is about connecting the dots, and it's so you see the picture full picture. And it's kind of what we do with our work with the chosen.

This is on the life of Jesus beginning with his birth, his ministry, his death resurrection from beginning to end, and it's tracking with the chosen, and what I do as a spiritual adviser on the chosen.

“What do you feel like is some of the main dots in the connection?”

Because I know there's always like, there's a lot.

There's a lot. What are some that really kind of move you emotionally in you see? Yeah, I think one of the foundational ones is, you know, we're coming into this season of celebrated death and resurrection of Jesus, of Easter, at Passover. And a lot of times Christians don't even ask the question, right?

The symbol of Christianity is the what? Cross. Cross. But why did Jesus have to die in a cross? Like, what's the deeper significance of that?

Well, think about it for a moment, had it sinned into the world. The first man and woman took from the tree.

So God put back on the tree for you and me, Jesus, to undo what the first man and woman

did and couldn't redeem or fix. Why are his hands pierced? Because our hands took from the tree. So his hands were pierced. Why is his side pierced?

Because who was it that led Adam into temptation? It was Eve and she was taken from the what? Side. He's not only making a tone for Adam, Paul calls him the last Adam, but he's making a tone for Eve, the one taken from the side.

And on a deeper level, he's birthing the new bride, the church, just like Eve is taken from the side. The church is going to be taken birth from his side that is pierced with the spear. Why does he have his feet now to a cross?

“Because what's the first mess and prophecy in the Bible?”

This is three 15. What does it say? Yeah, the cross had the serpent, but it's like the hill. Yeah, the sea to the woman would crush the head of the serpent and the godly seed would and say it would bruise the head of the seed of the one right.

So Satan's like, you think you're going to crush my head? He's the original gangster. He's the OG. He's like, I'm going to nail your feet to the tree and let's see how you're going to defeat me.

He's mocking the planet and the promises of God. He thinks he's foiling it, he doesn't realize he's actually fulfilling it by nailing Jesus' feet to the tree, the beginning of the fulfillment of Genesis 315. Then he has a crown of thorns on his head, why a crown of thorns? Well, what's the physical sign of the curse of creation, the ground would produce what?

Thorns and thistles.

“He's literally the taking the curse of creation on his head to break the curse and to restore”

God's blessing for us. Wow. You can't write it any better, it touches every single piece, it's like if you were writing the pieces together as a person, I don't know how you do that, you can't make all these things happen simultaneously.

But you were saying you were trying to make your case to you rabbi about that being an execule beginning in Genesis and walking through the Bible, so the rabbis say this about the scripture, it says they say everything in the Bible, everything in the Old Testament, everything was written for the sake of the Messiah.

So in one way or another, everything in the Old ultimately points to Jesus in the new.

This is the road to amaze. After his death, true of his disciples, discouraged, ejected, they think, well, we thought he was in the Messiah, he's crucified, buried, he's not, he appears to them in hiding. They can't recognize him and he begins to open the tour, the writing, the prophets show how they all point to him, breaks bread, their eyes open and they realize it was him and

they say that our hearts not burn within us. He walked them through from the, the all the Bible and showed how it points to him, everything points to him, to all fine just for fun than him. What about the Old Testament, specifically like more of those like deeper clues, obviously,

know, mic drops that we miss along the way. Yeah, 100% like, I'm a good, so on what, how granular do you, I just love it, because I think it, right?

“I think it helps to understand that the Bible is different type of truth, it's a truth”

that keeps repeating, you know, like you, you and I are living a biblical story right now, the way that God is interacting with us, it's like you can, but you can take this story and relate it to a previous story, so it's a truth, it's like revelation keeps revealing. Let's start at the start, yeah, yeah.

So the very first word of the Bible and Hebrew, Barashit, we read it in English, we translate

in English as the beginning, in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth, but there's another way to read it. Barashit can be read not in the beginning, but bait is a preposition in Hebrew, which can mean inner through and ratio means the first or first born, so it can be read on account of the first born God created the heavens and the earth.

What does that mean on the kind of the first born? When the rabbis read that passage, they read it like one way they read it is like this,

“God only created the world on account of the Messiah, why?”

Because before the sickness ever came into the world, God had to make sure there was a cure. He wouldn't have created unless there was a cure for the death and destruction, so there's a Jewish tradition that God comes to the Messiah and he says, "I'm only going to create the world if you're willing to suffer and die to redeem it and Messiah agrees to it and

therefore God creates the world." This is the idea behind what John says in the book of Revelation, he's the lamb's slain before the foundation of the world. Before the world was created, the Messiah agreed, Jesus agreed to die, before the world, before was ever created.

It's in the very first word of Genesis chapter 1, verse 1, or on account of or can be read

an agency through the first one. God created the heavens, and this is John one, all things were made through him, everything that has been made made by him, John is reading it like a rabbi, another way can be read in Hebrew, to take it even more granular. The first letter of Genesis in Hebrew is a letter of bait, the bow of beginning.

The last letter of the book of Revelation, the last word is the word Amen, and the book of Revelation, right? The last letter is the letter N, the first letter is B, the last letter is N, it's known, the first and last letter of the Bible spelled Ben Sun, from the first letter to the last letter at all points of the Sun, from the beginning to the end.

You know, in creative people make films, you're working on the chosen, and you love to tell a story the beginning is the end. You love that, you're the opening scene as usually the way the movie ends. If you're a great filmmaker, and subversion, as you talked about with Doug Mandhorn, is taking captive of a story that's true, and I think the thing about the Bible is so interesting

is that there's these same hero villain stories that repeat just on a human family, dynamic, and then play out in the cosmic realm as well. They also relate to what's going on heaven and on earth, and it seems like there's almost four dimensions of stories happening at the same time. How do you feel like the family dynamics are talking about this a little bit in the beginning?

We're off-air, a family plays into the story of the Messiah, because obviously it's God's son, and I think that this is a big debate, and Jewish culture of why do you think they can't see Jesus as Jesus? Oh, a lot. Yeah, absolutely. We're talking about this off-air, which is that everything

“on earth is a reflection of what's in heaven. That's why Jesus prays your kingdom come”

on earth as it is in heaven. What's in heaven is meant ultimately to be manifested in this

world below. Just like earth has a, just like we have governments here, heaven has a government, and that government is family. And so, this is why Father Son and Holy Spirit. Now, the question that you're asking is a great question. Why don't Jewish people? Why can't they see that he is the Messiah? And I think there's three overarching principles that we need to understand. Number one is, unfortunately, Jewish people have been persecuted in the name of Jesus

trains are, as my family is being deported to the concentration camps, oftentimes the church on Sunday morning with sing louder to drown out the tears of the people, right? So, yes, there were believers like Bonhoeffer and Nemola and Corretem Boom, but the church was infiltrated and things that Martin Luther had said about the Jews were using against the Jews, but it goes back

“even early in that. So, Jews are like, how can we believe in a Messiah in whose name were persecuted?”

If he claims to be the king of the Jews, and if Christians hate Jews or antagonistic towards Jews, how can he be a fulfillment of the, of the promises that were originally made to us? Right. So, that's one issue. Another issue with that is the fact that historically when Jews believed in Jesus, they were told you could no longer be Jewish. So, it was, if you wanted to believe in Jesus and be Jewish and you wanted to keep the Passover or do anything that was cultural or,

you know, from Jewish life, you were called a Judaism, and you were excommunicated from the church, which is so odd because the first theological debate, Acts chapter 15, was that Gentiles have to

convert to Judaism and be circumcised, keep the law, and the answer is no, Gentiles come as Gentiles.

Now, have to do all these Jewish things, but then the church turns it around where the church becomes

“partakers of the promises eventually become overtakers, right? And they turn around and do the”

very thing that wasn't done to them, which is saying, if you're a Jewish person, you believe you can't be Jewish anymore. And so, Jews are like, how can we believe he's the Jewish Messiah? If he tells us his Jews, we should give up everything of what God said to us, it means to maintain our covenantal identity and to fulfill our covenantal call, being covenantally faithful to the things God is did. So, so that becomes another issue or another way to say it is like, the picture of Joseph in the

Bible is a story of the end times. And as a story, it is a picture of Jesus, right? Joseph rejected by his brothers, sold for silver, sold by his sold by Judah. And the New Testament is Judas, which is a Greek version of Judah. So, both sold by Judah, stripped of his tunic thrown into a pit, falsely accused gets elevated to the right hand of the father of Egypt, the Farrow,

seated at the right hand of the Farrow. The brothers don't recognize in the first time they come

down to Egypt. They only recognize him the second time. They come down to Egypt. And they don't

“recognize him the first time. Why? Because he walks like it, remember the bangles, walk like an”

Egyptian. He walks like an Egyptian. He talks like an Egyptian. He's unrecognizable to them as their Jewish brother Joseph. And it's not until he takes off the Egyptian garments and speaks to them. He misses a new yourself. I'm your brother Joseph. Oh, this is my brother Joseph. They revelation, recognition. In a sense, we've made Jesus into an Egyptian. He's unrecognizable to Jewish people. A blonde haired, blue-eyed, European looking Jesus who eats ham and who, I don't know how, how the

how the Passover land became the Easter ham, Mr. L. asked when I get to heaven, right? Yeah, yeah. Didn't celebrate. There was no Christmas, was no Easter in the if celebrated Passover, the Jew. So, it's not that any of those things are wrong or bad. It's great. It's fine. But it's wasn't his, it's not historically what he did or the disciples did. Yeah. Yeah. All right, before we dive back into the weirdest, we want to talk about something that's been

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with our mission, blur creatures.com, check out no more. So, we've made Jesus in a sense we put all this cultural westernized veneer over him to the point that Jewish people looked at it as another religion and something completely foreign as opposed to the fulfillment of the promises that are made. Do you feel like the prodigal son could be a little bit of a version of that the older brother? Yeah, desert is like has a little more familiarity with the story in the house

“and there's some desert. Well, yeah, I think that's why he tells the story. Yeah. So, I think in the”

parable of the prodigal son, first of all, it's a bad name, it's a terrible name for the parable,

because really it should be called either the merciful father because really one focus is on the

father, but the end of the story is not on the prodigal son because the prodigal son represents the Gentiles. It represents the one who's with the pigs and the foreign land that comes home and is accepted. The older brother represents the Jewish people, the one that should have known him, the one that was close to the father all along and yet doesn't get him. It's the religious person in general and in that context, it's the Jewish people and the context of him telling the parable.

So, yeah, and it connects to the book of Jonah because Jonah is left unresolved. Jonah is the prophet that brings a Gentile revival and is as mad at God that God saved the Gentiles, because he should have been judged. They should have judged the Gentiles and he's mad at God,

“because this is God, that's why I didn't want to go, because I knew your gracious compassion,”

slow to anger, bounding in kindness and I knew you were going to do this and he didn't want to go, because he knew these series at one day hurt the Jewish people and take them in exile, because he's prophetically sought and you don't want to go, because he knew what they were going to do to the 10 tribes were used from. But we don't know if Jonah ever gets the message, just left unresolved. We don't know if Jonah gets it and we don't know if the older brother ever gets it either.

Let me ask him in two different ways. We've talked about the show before, like the Jews are expecting a geopolitical figure that's going to liberate them from underneath the foot of Rome and conquer and Christ does that, but it doesn't do it in the way that maybe the people wanted, right, or they'd hoped for. And so the Jews today are still waiting for a liberating Messiah. Was that part of the thing too? It feels like a subversion. We talk about subversions. He's doing it,

but he's not doing it. He's doing it in a way that is super natural. There's so much in the unseen realm that Christ is doing. And he's actually doing undoing these things, the curses, and he's fulfilling the prophecy, but is it because it didn't happen in the way that the Jewish people would hope? Is that part of the rejection? Yes, it's definitely part of it. And I think again, going back to the season that we're in, we talked about it in the book transformed,

it's Palm Sunday. So Palm Sunday Jesus comes riding into Jerusalem with great fanfare.

The reason why it comes riding on that Sunday, first of all, because that's the day in Egypt,

the Passover lambs were set aside at the first Exodus. We're brought into the home and inspected before they were offered on the day of Passover. That exact day, the 10th of Nisan was the day Jesus rides into Jerusalem because he's the Passover land. And when the Pharisees and religious leaders are questioning him, it's like the Passover land that was brought in the house they're going to make it a decision whether he's fit to be offered as a lamb or not fit to be

offered. And ultimately, we know these are these side that he's unfit. Actually, if I fill prophecies

“and deciding that, but as that whole, that's what's going on. But then he comes riding on a donkey.”

Yeah, what does a donkey mean? What is a great question? In this ties into your question, then there's a deeper spiritual significance. The donkey's a mix. It's not bailimped donkey. It's not talking. It connects to that. So, depends how deep you want to dive on this donkey. Let's go deep. Let's go deep. So, let's remember to come back to your question because it ties in at the end. So, the Hebrew word for donkey is Humor. You've got to get the, there's a lot of,

a German almost. Yes, the gutterl. And so, every Hebrew word is built on a trot, a three-letter root. And so, the same root for donkey is from the root that means the material world. It's for,

ultimate biblical manifestation of the material world. That's why it's called a beast of burden

in the Old Testament, right? It represents physicality. And so, Jesus, riding, and Jesus. So, the donkey represents physicality. Jesus represents heaven. God creates heaven and earth. So, the donkey represents earth. The physical world can matter in the Hebrew word itself. And Jesus represents heaven. Jesus riding the donkey is harnessing everything in the material world in the physical world for the sake of heaven. To advance God's plans and purposes. This is the verse in Zechariah.

And that day, even the pots in the pans will be holy to the Lord. Everything will be used in the service of God. So, Jesus is riding the donkey. He's taking control of the physical world,

“taking back the physical reality that was hijacked by the serpent in the beginning. That's why”

Satan offers Jesus all the kingdoms of this world. Jesus is taking it all back, taking the physical world back. Material world back by riding the donkey. And so, when we fell, we came out of alignment with the priorities of God. And we made the physical more important than the spiritual. Jesus riding the donkey is reordering and showing us the right priority. So, it's kind of like, in heaven, the streets are paved with what? Gold? Is that because it's like creptive ecribs? Like God's

just bling, blinging out heaven? I got it like that, lifestyles of the rich and famous, right? God's just showing off, frosting out heaven. No, because gold biblically represents wealth.

“In fact, Solomon got 666, the measurement of 666, a talents of gold every year.”

That's the whole other story. But it represents the wealth of this world. So, the streets have heaven or paved with gold. Why? Because it's a reversal the dyes of this world. What people will give their life for here is only pavement in heaven. What is it if they have a man gains the whole

world? But loses his soul. It's seek first the kingdom of God and all these things will be added

unto you. And so, Jesus riding the donkey is basically making a statement and asking us a question is are you riding the donkey or is a donkey riding you? And if your focus is on, if your identity, if your drive is primarily to acquire material things, you're the ass and you're being taken for the ride. And then it ties back to dust high back to bail a minute because think about everything the old points of the new. Yeah. All throughout the Old Testament, the donkey is connected to the

story of redemption. Where's the first place you read about the donkey? Genesis 22, we talked about

“in the book. God tells Abraham, take the donkey, he takes the donkey and take Isaac and do what?”

Go up the hell. And offer his only begotten son in the mountain that I was carrying. That's a scary wood up the hell. So, they're going up to the hill. They're offering a sacrifice. They have the donkey with them. So, the donkey is right there with Abraham. The beginning, the Abraham, the father, offering his only son on the same mountain that Jesus has offered on. And Isaac carries the wood for the sacrifice like Jesus carries his own cross. He's the Isaac. And God,

the father is God. So, love the world that he gave his only begotten son. That story originates in Genesis 22 at the binding of Isaac. Okay. So, the donkey is there. Boom. Genesis 22, beginning with Abraham. We'll think about this. The donkey plays a role in the Passover. When God tells Moses to go redeem the children of Israel, what does he do? He puts his family on the donkey. So, Abraham puts materials on the donkey. Moses puts his family on the donkey,

but ultimately Messiah is going to ride the donkey. He's the donkey rider. So, it's if you've got

into it, you see there is a progression of redemption beginning with Abraham, Moses, bailam, who also prophesies about the coming of the Messiah. And then ultimately, Jesus, and then it's a fulfillment of Zechariah 9-9, which says, "Behold, your king will come to you humbly and riding on a donkey." But this ties into what you're asked before. Who knew the donkey was a pinnacle of creation?

But he's... It's also some humility in it too, right? Because those of the kings wouldn't be riding a donkey. That's not, especially the time of Jesus. You'd be riding the Romans and their leaders rode stallions, steeds, as Nate said. You know what's interesting? The story of Joseph and Egypt,

was like 19 when I heard that story, like for the first time I heard that story, he was saying

that the dreams he interprets are from the cup bear and the baker, the blood and the body. And the dream is, "One's going to be killed on a tree." You know, in three days, and then

“that one's going to be restored to the right hand of the king. And I remember sitting there as”

and going, "Wow, this is so interwoven." And it changed my life when I heard that early prophecy of what was going to happen. So that was a story so many layers in Joseph and Egypt. I mean, there's something about Egypt in particular. Well, let's tie it all together. So let's tie it all together. So, because you're right, it ties to Joseph, it ties to the donkey, it ties to your question, it all ties together. So, how? So, we have to understand is that

the rabbis make the statement. They say if Israel is unworthy of receiving the Messiah, he will come riding humbly on a donkey. If there is worthy, he will come riding on the clouds ahead. It represents two aspects of the Messiah. So, in the Bible and in Jewish thought, there's actually

“in Jewish thought, there's actually two Messiahs. There's Messiah, Son of Joseph, who like Joseph”

in the Bible rejected by his brothers, suffers in order to attone and redeem his people. And then there is Messiah, Son of David. He is the ruling and reigning Messiah. So, traditional Judaism sees two different people fulfilling those two different roles as a Messiah, two different. But we know from the New Testament, it's not two different Messiahs, it's two

comings. The first time he comes humbly riding on the donkey, Israel wasn't ready to receive him.

He comes as the Lamb of God. When he returns, he comes riding a horse and riding the clouds of heaven, because he's coming back as the line of the tribe of Judah, who is going to wage war against the enemies of God and establishes the kingdom of God on earth as it is on heaven. So, that's, and so they think he's, they want a Davidic or macadly type Messiah from the story of Hanukkah, cleanse a temple, rid the Gentiles. He doesn't understand that he's looking to do it in internal

spiritual level in the spiritual realm before he does it in the natural realm. So, he's not

riding a donkey on the second time. That was right in the horse riding the clouds. He's a cloud

rider. It's a different blood. It'll be a donkey in there somewhere, I bet. There's got to be. This is the shell, right? If I love the idea that we, the Christ is acting in these two realms, and when he's these things that, as you talked about, I got in the Lord's prayers on earth, as in heaven, there's these, there's duality to the things that Jesus does that are both here in the physical, and then also also in the spiritual realm, in the supernatural. A couple of questions,

because we're talking about Easter here. So, ultimately, comes in on Palm Sunday, and then we have the crucifixion, they'll have the temple being torn from top to bottom. What would that, what's the significance of that? What is that matter, or the palm branches of the sun, how's that? I mean, there's just the symbols. As 21st century westerners, right? We a lot of what we've talked about with the work of Dr. Michael Heiser, and then also having you here,

because there's this whole Jewish cultural backdrop that we are separated from, as well, time space and everything else, but what does that matter? Why doesn't need to be torn from top to bottom? What's happening there with after Christ's death? Let's frame it in the bigger context. So, let's start on, and if we want to get into the last supper we can, but let's start on

“good Friday. So, the first question I think we have to ask is, of all the days Jesus could have died,”

right? God's very intentional. Why did he die in a Friday? Right? We need to understand from, from the point of the biblical reckoning of days, Friday is the sixth day, and Saturday is the seventh day, it's the Sabbath. So, biblical Jesus dies on the sixth day. Why? Because I'm good Friday,

Man was created on the sixth day, and Jewish thought we fell on the sixth day.

When Jesus comes, he comes to restore what was lost. He does his first miracle of water into wine.

“Well, why is that the first miracle he does? Well, what's the first miracle Moses does?”

He turns the water into blood. Jesus turns the water into wine, because he comes not to bring that, but to have a bring us life and have it more abundantly. They both do water miracles, but opposites, right? Not blood, wine, symbol of the Messianic Kingdom. But how many pots does he do the miracle with? Six stone pots. Yeah. Because it's restoring the fruitfulness of creation that was lost when man who was created on the sixth day, sinned on the sixth day, he's restoring

the fruitfulness, God's original and design, and intention for creation, and how's it going to

be restored? It's pointing to his death and resurrection, and he's crucified on the sixth day. The same day we took from the tree, the same day we fell, the same day we'd lost, God's original blessing for creation is the day that he dies. So we're starting to the tree. We'll talk about in the beginning. And those weren't even. Those pots were not big wine scans either. Well, they were, they were, they were, they were big stone pots. They were

30 to 40 gallons each, they could hold. And they were washing. They were for ritual washing,

known as netiologic cleansing pots. And so it's showing there's two ways to interpret it. I

interpreted it as he's Jesus is renewing the old by fulfilling it. But here's a deeper thing. So there's no Roman numerals in the Bible. So how do you write numbers? You write numbers with letters. So every Hebrew letter has a number associated with it. It's alphanumeric. Hebrew and Greek are alphanumeric. By the way, that's really important. This is a little side-track, bunny trail, that Hebrew is in Greek are alphanumeric. The language is in our mag, the language is the

free language is the Bible's written in, Bible's written is awful in the mag. Because I know you guys get a lot of people that watch that maybe aren't followers of Jesus yet, right? They're interested. They're seekers, right? Yeah. A lot, actually. So think about it.

“I think one of the hardest things for people to wrap their minds around if they're like more”

academically or scientifically orientated into quantum physics is how can you believe the God spoke the world into existence? They were like primitive people. They didn't understand. We can't take the Bible seriously. If you understand the Bible is alphanumeric, when God speaks the world into existence, he's coding creation, coding requires letters and numbers. The letters form the building blocks of the spiritual aspects of creation. The numbers behind the letters which are interchangeable

form the mathematical structure of creation. So when God was speaking the world into existence, he was actually words have carry numbers. He's actually building the mathematical structure of creation and coding it when he speaks. If God is coding creation, we know like simulation, theory, some people postulate right? So if you kind of go down that rabbit trail, then God speaks ten times in the creation counts. Some people think there's ten dimensions, which could be the

ten dimensions of God speaking ten times. Then sin, okay, what that is, it's introducing a virus into the system that causes it to crash. And Jesus comes to remove the virus that was put into the system. So but the idea that letters and numbers are interchangeable, we live in a mathematical universe. So the letters numbers being interchangeable shows that God is creating the mathematical structure,

“his word is the blueprint of creation, right? So then why is that important? Because Genesis 1,”

verse 1 and Hebrew has seven words in Hebrew. The six word begins with the six letter of the Hebrew alphabet, which is the Hebrew letter V, which is in the shape of the nail. And the verb is the most used letter in all of the five books of Moses. It's the conjunction and as well. So God

the sixth day. We fell in the sixth day. What happened? We broke the vow. We broke the connection

between heaven and earth. Jesus dies on the sixth day to restore the connection between heaven and earth. In the shape of the nail and he does it by nailing heaven and earth reconnecting it again on earth as it is in heaven. So there can again be this alignment between heaven and earth as a result of what he did in as a result of that. The sixth on pot shows what happened when heaven and earth aligned the blessing and the overflow that results when heaven and earth are connected once again.

And is that symbolized the veil going top to bottom? And that symbolizes the veil going to top to bottom because redemption begins comes from heaven to earth, not from earth to heaven. Right. So redemption begins above by the will of God and comes down to man. And so redemption is not something man can work his way up or cause to happen. But it's to create and decide it in heaven and then manifested

on earth. So it always has to happen, heaven down, top down. The veil being written to represents

“connection. Why was there a veil in the temple? You have to understand what the tabernacle”

in the temple represents. The tabernacle was a portable garden of Eden. Is a return to the garden of Eden. God's presence is now among the people. But the people aren't holy. So there has to be a barrier separation between God and the people or God will judge the people because of his his holiness can't be in the unholyness. And so God creates a house and he creates a barrier. And the last barrier is a veil. And on that veil, our cherubim, the cherubim that guarded the way to the garden

Eden that prevented the people from going in were cherubim flaming angelic. Look like fiery swords

that prevented people. The same thing was on the veil. So when the veil and written to is like,

"Okay, Eden is open again. Connection is restored. You're not barred. You're not an exile. I'm welcoming you into my presence to re-establish relationship." Like I walk with Adam and Eve and the garden. But even more intimacy, intimately, I'm not just going to walk among you.

“I'm going to live in you. Wow. It's incredible because I think storytellers,”

when you have a movie, you make a movie, it goes viral. You have all the fans that pull and they pick holes in the plot. And you are writing a book that says there are no plot holes in this story. If anything, there are more connections. And there's nobody that can poke a hole in the biblical story. No, absolutely because like, because we've been scrutinizing this book forever. We've been looking for plot holes. We're looking for reasons not to believe it. And it keeps

proving itself more true and more connected and more symbolism and more 80% there's no, so on one level, there's no way no one is genius enough to make it fit together and have all of those connections the way the Bible does. It's a statistical mathematical in probability for hundreds of Messianic prophecies to fulfill me fulfilled to detail in one person's life. But then on another level. And through things like a donkey. Do things.

In the in ways that we don't, we can't see till now because we have that particular spot in

“history to look back and go, oh, that's why the donkey, you know. One hundred percent. Yeah.”

And then on another level, like anyone who writes a book creates a podcast, creates a work of art. On some level, it is a reflection. It is a reflection of the person who writes it. Part of who that person is is expressed in whatever that individual is an extension of that individual in some way, right? That's true of the Bible. So because God is infinite, there's an infinite number of connections and an infinite level of depth in scripture. So

you can't exhaust it. So it's different from any other book because you read a book once you watch a movie once or twice, you put it on the shelf. You don't need, you don't need to go back to it. But the Bible is different because it's living and active. It's a book that's alive. Right? Every other book is dead. The Bible is a living book. Okay. And what that means is every time you open a page of the Bible. And you can read a story a thousand times and there are a thousand

new things you could find. There are a thousand ways God can speak to you differently through the text because it is from the breath of God and God is eternal. It is God breathe and therefore there

and connections and it cannot be. It's like the ocean. Shao enough for a child to swim in

“and so deep. We know less about the ocean than we do about the moon. Yeah. And the best movies”

are a rip off of the gospel. They just tell the Christ story over and over again. Whether it's Marvel movies or it's you know sci-fi movies. They're all great ones. They're all telling the gospel story but but literally like good ones. No but literally like if you look at the history of Hollywood the pioneer of modern storytelling is Cecil B. Demil and Cecil B. Demil learned to tell stories through studying biblical narrative. So literally one of the pioneers of

modern movie making learned the principles of movie making and storytelling based upon biblical narrative. What are some of your favorites then? Like you've you've been uncovering these secrets that are popping out of the text all the time. Oh that goes back to this. You've already mentioned a lot of them but what are some there's so many that we get into a book like let's

“we'll go bring it back to the passion but earlier in the book there's a few things we talk about”

like one of those things is the Jesus baptism. And at his baptism the heavens open. Well why do the heavens open at his baptism? I grew up outside in New York and I used to love going to Broadway shows. And you know a Broadway show starts at the opening curtain call. Heavens open up because it's the opening curtain call it's the start of Jesus' story. Right? And on the cross the heavens close there's three hours of darkness. It's the final curtain call.

And why are there three hours of darkness? Because there are three days of darkness in Egypt. And what's the 10th plague? It's the death of the first born. That's God's first born son on the tree. He's taking the plagues of Egypt on himself so that we don't have to experience. So it begins with the opening of the curtain. It ends with the closing of the curtain. Then the curtains open. Voice of the Father. And the spirit comes down in the shape of a dove. And

a dove. A wide dove. There's a lot there with the dove. But here's something amazing.

So Jesus says as it was in the days of Noah. But one of the interesting things with this is that

“Noah, before he comes out of the ark, to know that he's safe, is he sends forth the what?”

Doved up. And the rabbi says the question, what happened to the dove? And one of the things the rabbi has come to the conclusion based on a number of things that we don't have to get into. But some interesting stuff, they say that that Noah's dove went into heaven. And it's waiting in heaven. We talk about in the book with a golden crown in its mouth, waiting to crown the King Messiah when he reveals himself. King Messiah is revealing himself

the dove returns in the form of a spirit. The days of Noah begin and Jesus reveals himself as the one that the Old Testament prophesies. I mean, this is one little thing. Jason, we were, you know, in the season of Easter here in the resurrection. You'd mention, I wanted you to get, we didn't get to it. We wanted to get back to it. It was the, the last supper. So what's what's happening there? That we, because on we, to tease it a little bit, and then we got into into the Donkeys.

And, but what? Yeah, you'll talk about the last supper. Let's make sure we talk about the empty tomb here. How many Donkeys do you own, by the way? I own none. But Jesus, but here's the fact that people don't know. I want to go against it. There's actually two Donkeys. Okay. There's not one. It's a Donkey and the, the, the cult, the fall. Yeah. Right. So people don't think one Donkey. You know, there's, there's two Donkeys. Why? The adult Donkey, the Mama Donkey,

represents the old covenant and the young Donkey represents the new covenant. It represents the coming together of the old and new covenant for filled in Jesus, that he's uniting it, because he comes to stop. He comes to fulfill the old and he comes to bring Jeremiah 31. I'll make a new covenant

with the house. It's always have a backup Donkey. I always have that backup. I was an old and

old and new. And Donkeys are fierce protectors out on the farm too. Yeah. And Donkeys had to be, and Donkeys had to be redeemed, like the firstborn of Israel. Yeah. There's a lot there. Like Grandpa had a Donkey and we got to name it. We named it Taco Bell. 38. That's great. He named his after his method. The Donkey had diarrhea all the time. There was two Donkeys. He named one and we got the name the other. He named his after his mom, Gertrude. Gertrude and Taco Bell. That's great.

Grandpa had two Donkeys. This is all coming full. It's a full circle. I see it. It's not the last supper.

satir. Right? So, Jewish people when they celebrate the Passover have a meal to come to God commands, to commemorate what he did for us when he brought us out of Egypt. Like they did in the days of Moses,

“there's three key things. The Passover lamb, the unleavened bread, the bitter herbs, herbs,”

and then there's it's sent around four cups of wine or grape juice. What's significant is that Jesus institutes the Eucharist communion at the Passover satir, at the last supper Passover satir. And there's four cups because there's four aspects of redemption, four letters of God's name,

four exiles, but he institutes it over the third cup. Why the third cup? Because the third cup

is known as the Kosgulah, the cup of redemption. Why? Because there were three sprunklings of the blood on the door on the top and on the two sides of the doorpost. So, three sprunklings of blood, Jesus raises the third cup. His death is going to be the blood of a greater Passover lamb, which by the way ties back to Abraham and Isaac. Because Isaac asks his dad, I see everything but the sacrifice, where is it? And Abraham's as God will provide Himself, a lamb. It can mean

God will provide a lamb or God Himself will be that lamb. It can be read that way in Hebrew.

“Right? And that is the real meaning. But guess what? God isn't provide a lamb. He provides a what?”

A lamb. All right. I'm in the thickest. Because the lamb is yet to come. The lamb is the Passover

lamb. It's ultimately Jesus who is the calm God's provision for redemption. And so,

so the third cup, the three sprunklings of blood, redemption is contained to the number three. Joseah six is two days I will tear you but on the third day I will restore you. Then in the New Testament, Jesus does his first miracle of water into one the third day. He's crucified at the third hour. There are three crosses, Peter denies him three times, three hours of darkness. He rises from the dead on the third day. In fulfillment of the third cup, the blood of the

Passover lamb and redemption being restored. But here's something beautiful. The third cup

reminds us of the Passover lamb and there are no Passover lamb sacrifices today. Because it could

only happen when the temple was operating on the temple mount in Jerusalem. So since Jerusalem is destroyed in 70 AD, no Passover sacrifices. But in the days Jesus lived, they actually offered the Passover sacrifice in the temple. And he ate up that Passover at the last step, that sacrifice.

“But here's the thing. When you offered the Passover lamb in the temple, the person who offered it”

had to have in mind every single person who is going to eat that Passover lamb with them at this Passover sater meal that evening. If that person was not in the mind of the person offering the sacrifice, they were not permitted to eat of the sacrifice. So when Jesus died on that cross, he had every person who would ever believe in him as mine and his mind when he died. He had you in mind, he had me in mind in order for us to be able to partake in participate us in it.

And even before he died in the cross, he's the lamb slain before the foundation of the world. Even before the world was created, he had us in mind that he was going to die as that Passover lamb. Wow. That's good. That's very good. So yeah, when do you start to see the connections? Because obviously a lot of people read the scriptures in the standard death. They don't go high death. Yeah, they did start to switch for you. I began to see it pretty early because again,

I had to go meet with the rabbi and make my case for why as a Jewish kid, I believed in Jesus. I had to begin making the connection at least in terms of misunderstanding, prophecy between the old and the new. And then as I began to read and study those prophecies, I just went deeper and deeper like Genesis 49, the septus. I'll not depart from due to another ruler staff from between his feet until Shiloh comes. And that's the name of the Messiah,

according to the rabbis. And to him, we'll be the obedience of the nations. And they'll tie their donkey to the choices grapevine and they'll wash their garments in the blood of grapes. Well, this is begins to be fulfilled. John chapter two, water into wine, the overflow of the pots,

of the day that the mountains will drip with wine in the kingdom. So like you begin to read those

things and see it or like into him will be the obedience of the nations. We talk about in the book, when the wise men come, they are beginning to fulfill that prophecy. The wise men represent the nations coming and laying their feet at the gifts of the promise messianic king. The shepherd's represents Israel's recognition because of Jewish shepherds, they're actually not ordinary shepherds. They're their liturgical shepherds. And it's the reason why Jesus is lying in a manger,

and he's wrapped in swaddling cloth because the reason why that's assigned to the shepherds is that these are the shepherds raising the Passover lands for the temple. And Jesus borne

in the same spot, the caves where the Passover lands were born. And he swaddled like one of the

Passover lands. And therefore the shepherds recognize him as the Passover land who takes away the

“sin of the world. And that's why that's assigned to them. And not some miraculous sign. It was that's”

why those signs matter to them. We get more into what the swaddling cloth was and why the salt thing, how it ties into the tribe and transform. But so all these connections are there if we just begin to like ask, why does this mean in the Bible? What does it go back to? How does it connect to the old? Or like I'll give you one more? Because of their resurrection season, right? So Jesus dies on the sixth day. He's in the tomb at the end of the sixth day and he rises on Sunday.

Why that order? Six in the Bible represents the physical world God created the world in six days. Seventh represents the heaven being infused into earth because the Sabbath is the first thing God sanctifies, right? So it's the spiritual being infused into the material. And then eight in the Bible is the number of the supernatural. So Sunday can be looked at as the first day, but it's also going to be seen as the eighth day. In music, if you go up a note, you go up a what? Octa. What if octa,

mean? It means eight and eight is always a step up, right? And so eight biblical is the number that

“transcends the natural. It's the number of the supernatural. So Jesus dies on the sixth day. Why?”

Because just like God finished the work of creation, He finishes the work of new creation, just like God rested on the seventh day. He rested on the seventh day. And then he rises. He raises on the eighth day the number of the supernatural, but there's something more. Jesus' name in Greek adds up to eight, eight, eight is the number of David. He's the son of David. David was the eighth son of Jesse. Eight is the number of new beginnings. How many people were saved in the arc?

Eight were saved in the arc. New beginnings. Eight turned on its side is the number of the infinite. It's the number of infinity. It's the infinite breaking into the finite. It's the supernatural breaking into the natural. Okay. So when Jesus rises from the eighth day, what it and what it's saying is that we don't have to live from the place of the natural. We can live from the place of the supernatural. It's why Jewish people are circumcised on the eighth day. The supernatural

mark of the covenant is in their flesh. It's the reason why you can't destroy the Jewish people. We bear the mark of the infinite eternal supernatural god. You can't destroy the people who bear the mark. And Christians who now believe in Jesus who rose on the eighth day, we become eighth day people. We're not sixth day people. We're not seventh day people. We're eighth day people. And that means we are the people that rise above and transcend natural orders and boundaries. We're not limited

by them. Beautiful. No wonder you like Trevor. How are the numbers guys too? I know a lot with no case. Over there talking math, dude Jason. This has been awesome. I'm sure one more thing with you. Yeah, I did. It was a big conversation. So we love taking people to Israel on trips. I know you guys got what we're coming up. The place where Jesus buries a place called the garden too. Why is he buried in a garden too? We'll send began in a garden and has to culminate in the garden.

But what's interesting is, and we talked about in the book transformed, the Hebrew word for

“tomb is cave there, and it's the same word for womb. How can tomb and womb be the same word?”

They're completely different. Thanks. They seem to be opposites. The tomb is the place where you death promises die, relationships die, hope dies. A womb is something that bursts us the life promised potential. What are they connected? The tomb and the womb are connected because they're both portals.

They're both portals to realities. The reason why these words are the same is because Jesus is

“in the business of transforming the tomb into a womb. The very thing that seems like it was going”

to be the end is the very thing that God uses to become the beginning. The very thing that seemed to lead to death is the very thing God's going to use to birth life. And so for the disciples,

the upper room became a type of tomb. As Jesus was locked in close in that tomb, Roman sealed,

guards guarding it. The disciples had a fear locked themselves in the upper room. They didn't want

“to end up like him. They hid. But when Jesus resurrected from the dead, it said, "Your fear”

is as empty as the empty tomb. We don't need to live in fear. Fear is empty. Jesus overcame. The very thing that seems that's going to be your end is the very thing that God wants to transform into that new beginning for you. So don't worry, don't live in fear. Let's live by faith, place it in Jesus, because He changes everything." This has been awesome. It's like biblical

“archaeology is like mine and stuff out of the scriptures. We're going to keep finding things forever.”

And you said, "New little things. There's probably so many things that weren't written down." Well, the Easter eggs. Yeah, they're all connected. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, tell us our listeners where they can, you got to catch a flight. So yeah, yeah, yeah. Thank you so much for having them. We love the unity, guys. Yeah. Rabbi Jason Sobel, on all social media, website or fusionglobal.org, you got lots of teachings, lots of books, lots of resources.

Yeah. When the book, the book is out everywhere, everywhere, transformed by the Messiah, how the old and new testament Jesus connection reveals God's intentional story for your life.

Thank you so much. I spent time with us. That's always fun to travel back to the to the

endless well of the Bible and and pull new things out. It's, uh, show you a picture of me with my donkey that are as a kid, because I. That's good. That's not for the show. It's embarrassing. Well, maybe it may be been a long way to put it on the show, but I'll show you how well it is. Thanks, my thank you. [Music]

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