Maria Georgas: I Made Out with My Boyfriend’s Mistress (FBF)

What is up, Daddy Gang? It is your founding father, Alex Cooper. We call her Daddy. [MUSIC] Maria, Georges, welcome to Caller Daddy.

I am so excited to be here. I love you so much, okay, I love you. I love you, I'm so excited. I can't believe we're finally doing this. First of all, this has been a long time coming,

which we will tell the Daddy Gang all about. But the entire world fell in love with you when you went on the season of the Bachelor. And ever since it ended, I feel like everyone has quite literally just been waiting patiently for you to speak.

And you are finally here. Yes, so I definitely needed the time to just be on my own. But if I was going to speak, I was going to speak here with you today on Caller Daddy. And it was a long time coming, but I'm here now and I'm ready.

Okay, I have so many questions, so let's just get into it. Okay, before I begin to Neo, this is really tight, and I want to slip into something a little bit more comfortable. Okay, I'll be right back. Oh my God.

[MUSIC] Okay, okay. She's got her little unwell outfit on. Oh, I'm feeling so myself right now, you have no idea. Wait, really?

Oh my God, this is me to my core. Okay, but every single outfit you slayed the season. Like for anyone that didn't watch the season Maria on the Bachelor, I don't know if I've ever seen someone come with such good outfits. And I feel like I saw that all online.

How did you even pack for this fucking season? Oh my God, it was so last minute, you guys have no idea.

So I always wanted to be on the show.

I had dreams about it, I was like, I'm gonna be on the show one day.

“So I remember I would always buy things in hopes.”

Oh, I swear to God, I'm not even kidding. And so when I actually got like, I was like fully in the running, they're like, okay, you're like in it. But I was never getting a solid, yes. I was like waiting, waiting, waiting.

Three days prior, they're like pack your bags, you're coming. You need this, isn't this? I'm like holy shit, I have three days to pack. Why did you always want to be on the bachelor? I love the show.

Okay, I love the show. I was such a huge fan and I had friends on the show. And they did? Yeah. (laughing)

Why did they like that? I mean, I don't know how much I want to say. I feel like there's been, you know, people have talked about it. And I sure people know who, but yeah, I've had people that have been on the show

that I've always said that like, I see you on it.

And yeah, and so I was like, I'm in a fly.

“So you've remanned, are you continuing, you like, romantically dabbled with people on the show?”

I wouldn't say romantic, but obviously there was like, um, I don't know what you want to call. Whatever you want to call it. It was just like a good thing going. And yeah, and I just remember talking to him about it. And he was like, I can totally see, you know what he said to me, actually.

Should I be asking you like, who you're talking about? No, you shouldn't. (laughing) Do you know what I'm saying? I think I have to ask, well, I mean, I think it's been fairly obvious.

And honestly, I'm so over the rumors and stuff like that. So Nick obviously is, oh, fuck, but is this bad? Because he's like, totally married. No, I think that's, it's not, you're saying you're like in love with this person. Yeah.

Nothing has ever happened between Nick and I, but like, it's always been like a friendship. Okay. But this, no, no, I think this is fine to say. Nick is one of the biggest people from the franchise. Yeah.

And the fact that like you had like a little thing with him back the day. Yeah. But you never hooked up. No. You just had like a flirtatious banter.

Literally, that is all, like he helped me through break ups. Okay. He was a good friend to me at points and it was great.

But I remember and I never really understood it until actually being on the show.

He had said to me, he's like, I can see you being the villain. He's like, you're going to go on, you're going to be the villain. And I was like, why? Why me? Like, I would never go with the intention of becoming a villain.

I didn't go in there trying to piss people off. But I remember him saying, he's like, people are going to come after you. No matter what, I can just see it, you're going to be the villain. And I was just funny because after I finished filming, there was rumors about me being a villain.

I'm like, but I wasn't. I know what happened. Well, I feel like just to sum it up again for anyone who didn't watch, I feel like people tried really, really, really, really, really, really fucking hard to make you the villain. And then everyone in America watching, it was like, no, no, she's not the villain actually.

Yeah. And basically gaslighting Maria or the villain, okay, let's go back to the beginning. I love how you were just like dropping bombs, let's say. Yeah, okay.

“But I think the, I think it's fine to say the Nick Fial thing.”

I think he's like, happily married now. Yeah, yes.

Yeah. And I just want everyone to know that, like, there's no animosity between us.

“Like, I think we have always been friends, obviously, whatever.”

Yeah.

But yeah, he's always been great to me and like, I respect his relationship.

I respect where he is at is now. I'm happy to see him grow. Yeah, to say that we didn't have a pass, that would be a lie. So like, I just hate this like, it's been all over Reddit. I just want people to know that like, it's nothing serious.

But also we respect each other along the way. And I'm happy where he's at now, I congratulate him. Well, I was going to say, I also think the internet is too smart nowadays where it's like, if you were connected to anyone in bachelor nation. Oh, they should say.

Exactly. So I think it'd be like, you'd be like, remiss to not bring it up because then everyone would be like, you're a liar. Right. And I have nothing to hide.

Like, I go through life where I feel like I have, you want to ask me questions. I want to answer. I can tell. No, no. Really?

Can you tell? Yeah. So I'm like, you know what? Like at the end of the day, I'm like, I rather speak on it than people build or create stories out of nothing.

Yeah. There's nothing to talk about there. Amazing. Literally. So let's talk about your season.

Okay. You are one of the most popular, I would say, bachelor contestant in the history of ever. And you just like brought this energy to it, this related ability. You were normal.

“I think people could be like, see themselves being friends with you, your girls, girl.”

Like, it was great vibes. How did you feel about all this attention? Oh my god.

First of all, thank you for saying that.

Like, that meant a lot because I was actually talking this talking about this with my friends. Like, when I had first come back home, I had to sit my family down to let them know. Like, what kind of like shit, stupidity I went through in the house, I did not know how it was going to like play out and like how people were going to perceive me because in the

house, I felt like I was so wrongfully accused of things and people were just like taking me the wrong way. And so I didn't know how things were going to play out. The fact that it wasn't honest at it, I can say and like showed exactly who I am. And I said to myself, I'm like, if I'm going to do this, I'm going to do this, like exactly

who I am. I'm not going on there with some alter ego, like, no, no, no, I'm going to, when my friends and family are going to watch, they're going to be like, that's my Maria prior to this show. Yeah.

Were you someone who was used to a lot of drama in your life? The, and I talked about this on the show to Joey, I was like the last thing I thought I was going to have problems with were the girls. I thought I was going to be like the, I thought the only problem I would have is if I like, we're not, or if we can really see each other like, by coming something, right.

And so when that was my biggest concern in the house, I was like, oh my God, I, maybe that guy was right, maybe it's like, in, in way, okay, you want to hear something I actually have something to say. Yes. This is actually kind of fucked up.

Okay. So Sydney, you know Sydney? No. So in the house? Oh, the one that was the next year.

Yeah. Okay.

“So funny enough that no, the actually side, no, I don't know if you want to keep”

this in, but this is actually kind of like concern me at one point.

So when it first started like airing, I remember someone sent me a photo of Nick and Sydney

together. They were all friends because Sydney's friends with Ashley, I, and Nick's close with Ashley and Ashley's close with Sydney and they were all in a photo together. I'm like, was this, I had, no, I'm not kidding besides all this right now. I'm like, straight shooter tier right now, part of me was like, was this all planned?

Because I was like, I did, I knew I was innocent. Like I knew I was innocent, hand to God. So when this all started happening and then imagine dealing with that in the house and then coming out and seeing that she's friends with Nick, I was like, right, because Nick had told you, there's someone in conspiring here.

Okay. So you walk someone through that maybe didn't watch the show. You're basically saying, you're seeing Nick Vial, like, tell you you're going to potentially be the villain. Yes.

Then you're seeing Nick Vial be friends with the girl that attacked you the whole season. Okay. Keep the shit in because you know what? I'm not kidding. I was, this is my exact thought process.

I was like, there's something weird about all this because it was too close, it was too close to home. I was like, this, what was said and now this and this, because if there was a, if guys, if there was a moment in the house where I can say, okay, I deserve that, I would say, I would not even begin to think about this.

But I was so innocent. To someone that has no idea what the fuck we're talking about and how we looked here. Don't watch the season of the particular, yeah, you have these two specific women I would say. Three, three, three, women that were like, hell bent on crucifying you.

Oh, yeah. Can you give, like, a brief synopsis of like what they were trying to, like, basically kill you for? Yeah. So, there's a point in time where we see Medina.

She was one of the older girls, I don't even like say, older, here we go, the age thing, but she, she had mentioned that she felt insecure about her age and that she was losing

attention because of her age. And I say it's silent during that conversation. She kind of like addressed the room about it and then, why do I say, and man, I don't know. So, then we were outside and kind of, we had breaks, you know, throughout the day, but we're

always being recorded and I knew that.

So, despite having break, I know, like we're being recorded, but again, I was in the moment with my friend and we were kind of like going through what was like said or during that moment. We were kind of just like, what's the word, which is like recapping, what we're copying. Thank you very much, that moment.

And all I said to her was like, I don't get why Medina would say that because, like, I'm in her age group and I'm just saying, like, she's, she's a beautiful woman, like, literally so beautiful where I was like, I couldn't even fathom the idea that she was thinking that it had something to do with her age. Why Joey's not giving her attention.

I'm like, you're so beautiful, own it, like, you have so much going for you.

“You have the age is the last thing you should worry about.”

But I wasn't saying that to Medina. I was saying that to my friend as we were recapping the night. And that's why I was like, I want to preface by saying, like, if Medina had come to me and said to me, Maria, I feel insecure by age. I know you're like one of the older girls in the house, too.

Like, this is how I feel. I would never say, own it. You're hot.

Like, I would be like, no, let's talk about it.

This is how you feel. I'm here for you. And so obviously, I was saying what I was saying to my friend, behind closed doors. And I was being overheard by Sydney. And instead of a coming up to me to be like, hey, are you talking about Medina?

Because she's my girl. Instead of like either coming up to me or talking to me one on one to be like, hey, I might have heard this, but I don't know, she started this entire thing on something she might have heard. So that's where it all kind of started though.

And I think like what we can acknowledge for women is like, age is such a sensitive thing, just because everyone makes us feel like when you hit 30, it's like, ooh, the clock is ticking. And so I empathize with what she was saying. And then I also agree with what you were saying of like, oh my god, girl, like, don't

even fucking worry. Your hot, your beautiful, your young, like, 30 is young. Yeah. 31 is young. 40 is young.

Yeah. We have to like retrain our brains to look at like women and age in a complete different way.

“But I think on the show, it brought up a really interesting conversation that you were”

almost villainized for like, shitting on this woman for age and that was not what you were saying. Absolutely. And like, everything you said was absolutely right. And for me, I'm like, I can get insecure about my age too, 100%.

And I have felt insecure about it. But going into the bachelor knowing that there's, you know, some of them say cast 23 year olds and stuff like that, I knew going into it, where I was like, I probably am going to be the oldest one in the house. Yeah.

I think positively so that like I didn't get into that mindset. So I thought in ways like I was trying, in ways when I was talking to my friend about it, I was trying to encourage myself too because like hearing her talk about that. You don't think that struck a chord with me. I was like, fuck, maybe like, or like, because I am a year older than them.

Maybe that is weird. I don't know. I started like thinking, I was like, no, no, look, we're going to twist it. No, we're hot. We're confident.

Let's do this. Got it. And I was just having a talk with my girlfriend. I didn't think it was going to become a thing. I wasn't trying to do this in front of a room, like I would have been way more sensitive,

way more like, you know, you were almost like debriefing something that clearly related. Because how old is she? She's 31. Okay. She's 31 and how old you?

29. Okay, I'm 29. Same age. So I get what you're saying is like, you guys are the oldest in the house and you immediately saw her freaking out and getting insecure that you were like, oh my God, like, should

I be insecure? No, we're fucking beautiful. Let's go. Let's just turn this into a positive right now because it's so, you know, in the house, you're so isolated and you, I can see why she was feeling those things, but I, I kind

of wanted to like, because imagine if I just sat there, I was like, yeah, we are. We should just like piece out right now as old folks, like let's, let's just get the fuck out of here. But I was trying to just like, and again, if she had come to me personally, the conversation would have been deaf.

Yeah. It was just in the moment with my friend. I was just like, yeah. And so this kind of begins this feud between you and this girl Sidney where she, like, has it out for you.

Yeah. She's literally saying you're like, the devil. Oh, yeah. It's funny. I brought devil ears because I knew we were going to be filming during Halloween.

And I wore the devil ears like her weak straight. They cut that out. So maybe you don't talk about that. But like I loved it. I was like, because they told me they were like, yeah, you know, she sees you as

the devil. Like, and in parts, I was like, wait, but what, like, I was questioning myself. Why do you think this girl had it out for you? You said you barely got into drama your whole life with women. Like, your biggest concern was like, am I going to even like, Joey, like, why even

get along with him? Yes.

“What do you think if you had to pinpoint it, brought it on this season?”

Yeah.

So I, because now getting to know her outside of this, she's an amazing woman.

And I, and I honestly can say that in that moment, she really truly thought she was going to bat for her friend.

But when you're in that environment, you become very close to people. And that's what feels, right?

“So I truly think that she was feeling she was going to bat for her friend.”

She was that rider-dive friend. She wasn't going to like, let anything slide with the best intentions, just wrongly guided. I don't really know why because I, guys, when I tell you, you know, she had apologized to me there.

And then when we, I was like, listen, you overheard something, you took it out of context. It wasn't meant maliciously. Next time, you know, come to me. She's like, absolutely, we cheersed. The next day, we had that group date where we were doing the talent show.

And she hugged me before the group date. And she was like, Ria, I just want to say, again, I'm sorry for taking something out of context. It wasn't shown.

We never even got to talk about this.

And so I thought, I was like, wow, okay, you know what? And I said to her that day, I go, listen, I'm good to hug you hug it out and like, we're good. You scare me a little bit because we were so good up until the point where you're starting to shoot with me where I'm like, where is this coming from?

So we hugged it out. We were good. Later on that night is when she was like, I feel bullied by you. You hugged me earlier that day. It was like, guys, when I say it was crazy, it was crazy.

“But again, because I know she is a good person deep down, I think that, again, in this”

environment, it just brought out the worst. Well, because I was going to say, like, I, I didn't know you guys were close now, which is kind of close, but we're good. You're good. Yeah.

Okay. Because I was going to say, I thought I didn't know if you guys were like friends. And I'm like, that's kind of crazy to go from someone being like, you're bullying me. Like, the what we watched on TV, I was like, this girl is like losing her mind on national TV.

And it's like, everywhere you would go, she would turn to you and just start like going after you. And it felt very targeted. Yeah, it got to points where she would acknowledge that like, I can't even be in a room with Maria, because I feel she's going to attack me.

And there's been so many scenes of us in a room and I'm like, leave me alone. So like, I didn't understand, and to this day, like, you know, her and I didn't get to really talk about what exactly it was that made her say, those things about me, because I could, like, even thinking about putting myself in her head, I couldn't ever say that about someone.

I knew that it was so untrue. Well, I think it was interesting, too. And I liked reading the internet during your season because I thought that women had really interesting takes about you. Like, I remember watching in so many women were like, I feel like half of these girls in

the house are having their first buy experience because everyone is following in love with Maria. And everyone's like, do I like her more than Joey?

“I think there was also a lot of jealousy, like, you exude confidence.”

You like walked in every room. You looked so fucking hot. You looked insane in your outfits. You have a great personality. And you're just led with confidence. And I think in those environments, I can imagine if women are seeing one woman lead with just like no doubt her fears, you're going to be like, fuck you.

I wish I was like that. And I personally felt like a lot of it was driven by jealousy, which sucks. But I think is sadly relatable. If you could go back, is there anything you would have handled differently in all of the drama?

Well, I just want to say something first. So before going into the house, I had to read something and it was like some book and it was called, you're just not that great or something like that. And then just like, no, no, but wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. No, no, no, but you know what, the the the the the the meaning behind it meant something

to me. And it was just like acknowledging the fact that you're not that great.

And like, I never know wait, just wait, I don't ever think of myself as like, like when

you say like, it's weird to me, even believing when someone's like, oh, so much jealous of you. Like I don't look at things like that. Like I went into this bachelor world being like, I'm not going to be the prettiest girl in the room.

I'm not going to be the best dress. I'm not going to be the most like exciting to look at or be with. Like I just said, I'm going to be myself and if it works, it works. Like I was so self aware going into it. So it's funny that like people see it as like confidence and people see it as like, oh,

girls or jealous of you, it's like, I genuinely went in there being like, I'm going to be supportive everyone around, but I'm not also not going to think I'm that great. Like, I'm not so like now I love this message. Okay, so get it. Where are we going?

No, sorry. I fucking suck. I'm not. But like just acknowledging that like, you know, like just knowing who you are, like, I'm not, I'm not overly confident in that way where I'm like, I'm the shit.

I've never thought that way about myself.

I thought all the women were especially night one going into that house. I was like, there are so many beautiful women around me that I was like, I'm just going to be myself have fun and then if it works, it works and it did. Yeah. And like, so when girls came after me and being like, oh, she, like, people are seeing

it as like, oh, you were so confident. That's why. And like, oh my god, I was like, I never once, I think I was the prettiest in the room.

And I think I was the best dress.

“That's why after it aired and hearing that like, everyone love my outfits and like,”

everyone thought I was going to come. I was like, damn, I love everything you just said. And I truly believe though that's where it is confident what you're talking about. And it's, I think it's enviable. And I think if anyone takes anything from this episode, it's that.

It's like, you deciding, I can't be what I'm not. I'm going to be myself. Exactly. I'm me. I look how I look.

I act how I act and like, I'm going to present as I am. And if he likes it and they like it great, if not, who gives a fuck? First I do want to talk a little bit about your personal life because I think you came into this bachelor world and everyone was like, who is this firecracker and like, who is this girl?

And where did she came from? Who is Maria? Yeah. Have you ever been in love before? I've obviously, okay, okay, I had a couple boyfriends.

I'm going to say two. Two boyfriends. Exactly. I'm going to tell you exactly the number. Yeah, I don't have that much experience.

I always, like when I'm with someone, I feel loving feelings.

But like to like, when you're out of it, you kind of think back and you're like, wait, was I even in love? I don't know. I don't think so because I want to believe when I am, I know it's going to be my person kind of thing.

I had loving feelings for everyone that I've ever been with. Yep. Yeah. I think that makes a lot of sense. I think that.

I think that answers it. I think you would know if you had been in love. Right? You would think. You would know.

Trust me. That's what I'm thinking. You would know. Okay. What has been your longest relationship?

Um, literally my first boyfriend was like eight months, but I'd live with him for three so it felt like a fucking century. But um, what? Okay, maybe no. I don't know.

Can't listen. What? I have never had anything long term. I'm on it. I'm a problem.

No. I'm a problem. Wait, you live with him for three months? Yeah.

Towards the end of the eight months.

“And then, is that what I ended up at the beginning?”

You wait. Wait. Wait. Hold on. Hold on.

It's been so long. It was like seven years ago. It would be dated a guy for eight months. You lived with him for three. But how did you start living together than stay together, but not live together?

Walk me through this. Okay, hold on. Okay. Let me think. It was so long, guys.

It was like seven years ago. We dated and hit it off right away. Okay. And he was living alone. I was living with my family and he was like, I want to be with you all the time.

So come sleep in my house and then it turned into me and it's moving like ending up moving in with him. So make sense. And then how did you move out? He sheet on me.

Wait. And you. Wait. Bitch. What do you think?

I mean, she don't. Wait. But maybe this makes sense. Okay. Eight months dating.

First three months you're living together.

Yeah. He then sheets. You stay? No. No.

No. Four is the end honey. Okay. Okay. So why did you move out?

It was just because he cheated on me. Okay. Okay. You got your time. Next up.

“You said you lived together in the first three months.”

Okay. Wait. Hold on. Wait. Let me backtrack.

Eight months together. Living with him. Okay. So not. I didn't live with him right away.

You're right. Okay. You caught me. I know. I lost.

Okay. So you cheated. How did you find out he cheated? Oh, bitch. No.

I'm a Virgo. You know what Virgos are like? No. Tell me more. I'm an FBI agent.

Oh. Like without being an FBI agent. Yeah. So basically. So because I was living with him.

Right? At the time. Anyways. So he was in New York with his family. I'll never forget this.

This is actually kind of fucked up. Okay. But it's okay. You know what? Him and I.

We laugh about this because he found. He was like, I hope you know. I knew what you did the entire time. We talked about it. Listen.

It's better to just laugh it off now. But it wasn't a laughing moment at the time. But we can laugh about it now. Anyway, so he was in New York with his dad. And then he was like, yeah, I was all staying at his place.

Stupid. Yeah. Anyways. So I'm with I have all my friends over. And I remember I was in LA.

And then Vegas for a wedding. I did like a week trip. And he was so. Oh, my God. Nick plays into this.

Because he hated Nick and Nick hated him. Fuck that guy. I don't know. Because he cheated on me. But it's fine.

Okay. Let me get back on track. Okay. So I. So I had gone on that trip.

And he was already questioning me being on that trip. Being like, you're going there to see him. But I'm like, bitch, I'm going to a fucking wedding. Like, what is your issue? And we're spending a couple more nights in LA after.

After Vegas. I lied. We went to Vegas first. And then we did the wedding in LA. Okay.

There it is. Come on. Seven years. I haven't talked about this shit. It's great.

And so he was already upset with the whole trip. I get back. We're good. He goes to New York. I stayed at his place.

And I invite my friends over.

Because the last couple nights in LA. He was kind of like quiet. Like, wasn't really speaking to me. I'm like, bitch, you're my boyfriend. Where the fuck?

Anyways. No, not like that. I'm very sweet. But I got weird saying. When a boyfriend is quiet.

You know what that? Like you're checking in on me.

“And then all of a sudden you're quiet for the next couple days.”

What's going on? So I remember me like, okay. So I kept that in my notes. I was like, okay. So this time this time he was kind of weird.

So I get to his place. I'm saying he leaves. I go to the front desk. And this is actually kind of smart. Girls pay attention.

So I go to the front desk. I'm like, oh my god. I left for my trip. But I, as I was waiting for my Uber. Or whatever I was waiting for.

I don't know what I said. I'm like, I left my purse on the couch. So right outside of his place. There's like a communal area. Okay.

And there was a couch. And I was like, I left my purse there. And I can't find my purse. I'm like, I need you to, like, I was sitting here between this time. And this time, and this time.

And I told him the times where I felt like he was being off. So he's the poor front desk man.

And by the way, man, I never outed you.

Even though when you knew I knew what he knew what I was doing. And I'm all explained. But I never outed him. Never to my axe. But now I'm outing you.

But it's okay. You're probably not even working there anymore. So, so I, I told him. I'm like, from this time this time, I remember I was sitting there. But I don't know where this purse went.

And it's like expensive purse. I need to know where it is. So he's going, he turns the, the fucking screen to me. And he's going through the times. And I, and I told him, he's so, he's a little, it's fine.

“I told him, between, I think I said from 11 p.m. till 3 a.m.”

I'm like, I don't know if you have the check to see if my purse was there. And if someone took it. So he's showing me, okay. And I had my girlfriend there. I'll never forget.

She fucking screwed it up. I was like, game face. I was like, show me the fucking cameras. So I was looking for my purse. All of a sudden.

Guys, I'll, I kid you not 320. I remember the time. 3, it was like something 3 a.m. 320. Don't say that.

I remember the time. It's kind of weird. But it's fine. Um, a fucking bitch shows up to his door. No.

3 something a.m. And then I'm going like this. This, this is me. I'm like this. I keep my mouth shut.

My friend goes. And then he's, so now the friend desk guy sees it. There's another girl like me showing up at this time. And then as soon as she fucking gasped, like outing me, outing me, he turns the camera, I can't be doing this.

I'm sorry, I was like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no I was like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no

never out of him. I go back in. You know, actually it's kind of fun. I went for a walk. I played some music. I

pretend I was like in a music video like sad. cried. I don't know. I don't know what I did. I did something like weird shit. But then I went back and then so days later he comes back. We're good. Heath throws a party. Okay. Okay. Guys listen to this. It gets fucked. So Heath throws a party. Oh my god. Poor guy. He's probably like in a watch that's gonna be like, listen. At the end of the day, don't she on your girlfriend because one day she's gonna live to tell a tale. She's gonna live to tell the

fucking tale. So don't cheat on your girlfriend. Anyways, so Heath throws a party. Family friends. And remember, I saw that bitch. I saw her. Oh, you're gonna wait for the twist at the end. So I saw her. So I knew how she liked. Heath throws a party. Family friends. And his restaurant. He's so in a restaurant. Oops. Cut that out because I'll be very obvious. Okay. Let's be real. I only had one fucking axe and everyone knows. It's fine. But cut it out, baby. I don't know. She's been in dinner room.

So so Heath throws a party. Family friends. There's a separate table of like randoms. I don't know who shows up. She does. But I keep my mouth shut. I see him go over to her hugger kisser. I say go perfect. That's my in. So he comes back. I'm like, who's that girl that you kiss on the cheek? Like who's that? So go always. She's just a friend. Like did it. I was just saying hi. I'm like, okay. That was a little like, a little much to say hi to a friend, right? So I'm watching her

watching her. So later on then I was like, fuck, and I'm done. I'm done. I'm so out. Like the fact that he's now bringing this girl around me. That's the most fucked up part. casually. And how long had you waited? Like how long is it between you? A week. You saw the video footage. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It wasn't long. I just didn't know how I was going to like do it. But I was out at the point. That's like that's mentally fucked. That's it's in your fucking mistress in the same room with your girl. I actually have

more tea. Oh my god. She's flowing. Oh shit. So basically because when he was showing me the cameras,

I saw a bunch of guys go in first. All his friends. And then she showed up like hours. Like three I'm, but they were like, I didn't see the friends leave. So I was like, in my head I was like,

“okay, maybe this might not be what I think it is. And like, he's the way you think I'm seeing Nick”

and Ella. So there was so many things where I was like, okay, I can't overthink because if you're looking at it, just based on like what you like, how it looks, I want to know proof. But anyways. Right.

I was kind of like, fuck, maybe, maybe you know what? You're rationalizing, which I was rationalizing. You were telling him, I'm not cheating on you with Nick. I'm not seeing Nick. I'm literally going to a wedding. But he's like, I know you have a past with him, blah, blah, blah. Then he starts acting sketchy. And in your mind, you're like, is he making this decision because he thinks I was being shady with me when I wasn't. Right. And then all of a sudden, you see her at three. And then

your brain rationalizes, even though you've got to have no well. Yeah, he was doing a three and by herself. She's there for the after party. Oh, we know the after party. Right. Yeah. Okay. So he's his pee pee pee pee pee pee pee. Yeah. Yeah. 100%. Anyway, so I saw her there. And again, I didn't say anything. Whatever. And then we got back to the house. And I'm like, who's that girl? And he, he was just going to be like, she was at the front. She's a friend. I'm like, so then why? And I,

“I laid all out there. I was like, why did she show up at your house at this time, this day?”

Then it ended up in a red dress. Then I was like, saying it all on heat to this day, to this day. Well, say, nothing ever happened for one year or some funny shit. Please. Because I was a Virgo, right? Yep. We're very thorough. So I needed get to the nitty gritty. I need to know.

I was never going to get my answer from him, you know? So I, okay. So I, I, I dance. Okay. I take

heel classes and I do all that. So I'm at a girlfriend there. And she was going out one night, and she texted me, she'll come meet me. I go, who you are with? She sends me a photo. She's with that girl. No. So I go, perfect. Oh, just wait. Something like, perfect. I'm going to meet this girl. But again, I wasn't going to go meet her with the intended to be confrontational. No. I was just going to see who this girl is. I want to meet you. I want to look at you dead on the eyes. You know me.

I don't know you. You don't know that. I know you, but I know you. Anyway, we hit it off. Love her. Love her. Sweetest fucking girl ever. So nice. That makes it all so much worse. You're like, fuck. Yeah. She was great. And did she know you were dating him? Well, I mean, you have an Instagram. It was very fairly obvious. Like, there was no excuse us on her end. But at the end of the day,

I'll never blame the girl ever. He owed something to me. And you never know what they say in the

moment. Like, oh, we're on a break. Yeah. Oh, she said, you don't mean to me. Oh, to this day, I am not upset with her. Oh, actually, I'm great friends of there. Oh, but you know what I mean? Like, I always think about like, yeah, women are like, oh, my god, my husband. She did end fuck this woman. And I'm like, I swear to God, when a man takes off his pants and he's hard

“and he's staring at a woman. And the woman's like, wait, don't you have a wife or don't you have a girlfriend?”

They're like, she just got run over by bus. She's dead. We buried her last week. Like, she beats me and I, where she beats me. It's the whole thing. They will say whatever that when they look down and they look up, they're like, whatever I can do to get inside. So we can't believe in the women. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So we got dancing. So we're friends. Oh, we become friends at night. And then to the point where like, we're like, hey, now, and we're us through hanging. To

point where I even can't actually say, got it. Yeah, yeah, go ahead. It's colored out. He's nothing exact crazy. Okay. So I, I, I won. They were all out. And I was a little drunk. And I'm like, I need to see if this girl's a good kisser. Only because I was like, I want to see. Sorry. I was like, no, I want to know what the fuck she has that I don't. That's like, there's all happened. So I made out with her one night. But to this day, like, we were totally, it was all

Jo's whatever. It's fine. I love women. I love men. I love men more. But it's fine. It's fine. I just did it for my own sanity. Again, vergos were fucked. Like, you wanted to understand what you were missing. Right. I wanted to know what he was dealing with. If I had anything like, I don't know, I don't know what the hell. I just did it because I need to do it. She knows all this now. Okay. Okay. So then, so then, so we became friends with really good friends. Like, we're all good.

Whatever. And one night, she calls me. Okay. Guys, listen to this. And mind you. I had broken up with him. I said what I said to him. He denied it. He is no now that I'm like having a friendship with this girl. Okay. She calls me. She's like, Marie, I need to see you. I'm like, yeah, come over. She comes over. She starts to cry. She's like, I have to be honest about something. She's like, Maria, I love you. Like, you're such a good person. Like, I just, like, I feel like I need to be honest about something.

I go, let me stop you right there. I knew this entire time. It was like a whole, like, this could be a movie. This could be a movie. And I could be the whole episode. Oh, my God. I know, right? I was, no, just long, long, so sure. I just basically said to her, I'm like, listen, like, I met you with intention to see who you were as a person. I loved you that night. You were so fun, so sweet. Like, at the end of the day, I didn't hold anything against you because my ex, he was supposed to respect

me and like, not do that shit to me.

Joey. Oh, back to Joey. Yeah. Joey the bachelor. Yeah. So you had never brought a guy home in your

“life. Is this real? That became, okay, here's the thing. Okay. I think we're, it's like the”

semantics of it. It's like, yes, have men met my dad and like my, like, my parents. Yes. Okay.

like, no, yeah. But like, have they met my parents and the people that matter? Yeah, sure, did I introduce my brothers? No. Like, like, the entire family know, but my parents, yes, and, like,

my friends, absolutely, always. But like, the idea of just like, it was just, just, yeah, I didn't

bring them home, huh? But it doesn't mean that they weren't like, yeah, acquainted with my parents, and then people that matter to me. It's just like, it was the idea of just like, it's the first guy that I'm going to introduce to everyone all at once. Got it? It's my hands? Yes, completely. Okay. Do you think you and Joey would have actually made it in the real world? Um, it would have been great as friends. Like, we were so, um, like, funny together where we,

like, like, the same movies, like, have the same banter. But, and we obviously like to, like, we liked each other. But I don't, I, you know what? I don't know. I don't know. I think

him and Kelsey make such a good match because he was always one to always kind of need reassurance.

Does that mean to say? It's not mean to say because that's what he was very, um, vocal about on the season. And I think that, like, Kelsey's the kind of woman that gives it to him. But like, also is very confident and gets it to from him. Like, I don't know. They work so perfectly together. I don't know how to explain it. But, um, I've never seen two people so into each other. It just worked. I don't know if I could have given him what exactly what he wanted all the time. And so,

“I don't know. But I, I think that we were great friends. Yeah. What's something that a guy could do?”

That would immediately give you the egg. Oh, dance. Oh, shit. I don't, you know, here's a thing. I don't mind. You know, you know, I've ever seen those guys who like, start breaking out into dance. But they're so bad. But they think they're so good. When are they breaking out into dance? Like, give me thoughts on it. Oh, no, wait, like, where? Bitch, anywhere there's a fucking tune. I don't know. Here's a thing. Here's a thing. Like,

but here's a thing. This is where the difference lies. Okay. Okay. When they're dancing, go being silly and like, just owning that they're bad. But there's some that are so bad, but they think they're good. Yeah. That's where I get the egg. The full egg. That's where I'm like, oh my god. Get on. You're not it. You know, that's, that makes sense. Okay. What's the craziest thing in X has ever done to you? Date 32 am in at the same time. Sorry. Bachelor. Wait, I thought you

are my god. I didn't get that at first. I was like, yeah, this happened more than once in my life. No, just the bachelor. Fuck. I literally did. Okay. Oh my god. Yeah, can we talk about that?

“How did you kill the jealousy? Okay. So here's the thing. And I'm going to be very, very honest with you.”

In that moment. You should always say whatever comes to your brain, sweetie.

I'm on a roll tonight. Um, it's what I'm talking about. I'm going to be honest about something. I know tonight. Whatever to do. Someone beyond this was something. So Jen and I. Okay. Jen and I, so Jen kissed him on the group date. Time. I went up to her because I just like, you know when you're very self-aware. Like, you know your place and things. And I just knew Joey and I were never going to be endgame. Yes. Could I have made it further? Sure. 100%. Like, we had that connection. I just

didn't think I was going to be endgame. And he was going to be endgame for me. And so I told Jen that day that I was going to use that as an excuse to leave Joey. Use what? That she kissed him? That's, this is T, this is T, but we walk me through what you're talking about. So there's a scene where Jen kisses Joey. And that's where I'm like, Jen kissed Joey. I am disgusted. Um, but I, you know, I was very close to her and I just felt like I needed a way out. And it wasn't, it had nothing to do with

“it. Joey is great. Like, Joey is actually such a catch. And that's why I'm so happy. Like, I think”

finding happiness was like knowing that he's happy with someone that loves him so much. And I was, I'm so happy for him. I just knew it was never going to be me. And so I was like, I need a way out. And so I use Jen kissing him in that moment that pissed me off as an excuse to leave. Okay, can I say what I'm getting from that as I think that now with reality television, there's in a beautiful way. There's so much more that people understand that these environments are so

fucking heightened. And there's you're in this bubble. And you are feeling feelings that maybe you wouldn't feel on the outside world or maybe you are feeling feelings, but they're easy heightened because of. And so I can imagine that the moment you started to realize like, maybe I'm actually not endgame and maybe we're better as friends and maybe there's still doubt in your head if you're

and then there's all so many fights for you to stay, you're kind of like, okay, shit, maybe I'm like misguided. I'm, I need to be in this. And that's kind of how I felt during hometowns. I was like, he fought for me. So hard, whether they showed the entirety of that and that's fair. But in that moment, he did fight for me to stay. And so when I came to hometowns, I'm like, okay, I'm dropping my walls. I'm giving this my all. But like that moment in Jasper, when I was trying

to leave, it was, it was a little bit of a, I was just trying to give him a way out. Because I'm in a be honest, now that you're saying it, it makes more sense because again, to context if people didn't watch that episode, you're sitting on the couch with him,

you're basically saying like, I can't do this anymore. I am jealous. I'm seeing you because

other women like I can't handle it. I knew what I signed up for. Yes. Yeah. And I think you could tell, though, there was something else going on. Because you were being kind of sporadic of like, you're walking back and forth. You were like, I can't do this, Joey. And you could tell like that wasn't the real reason. And you could tell he was so confused. You could tell that. I could tell

“that I'm also like, like, leading. And I was like, guys, but I feel like that's what my job is to”

do is just like read people sitting across from me. And I need you a really fucking good job. Thank you. But on TV, I was immediately like, this is not the whole story. So you knew kind of in that moment, maybe it's time for me to go. And then he fought for you, which maybe you're saying, we didn't see the whole extent to which he fought. Yeah. You did, you didn't, you didn't. And then we get to home towns. And then that was kind of because I was like, I don't want to say I was like, forcibly, but I,

I mean, you want to believe someone's actions and like, how hard he fought for me that night, where I was like, okay, you know what? I need to get my head in the game. Like, I do feel good, great things about him. I think he's great. And I am in it. But I didn't know where he was at. And there was like, there was some sort of disconnect. But when he fought for me so hard, I was like, okay, this is like something that could be real and real. I like stopped fucking this up. Yeah.

And so at home towns where I fully dropped my walls. And then I got sent home. And I was like, okay,

“okay, this is why I protected myself. Yeah. So I'm like, and that's what I've kind of learned,”

like, I've become accustomed to like being disappointed by men. And this has nothing, nothing to do with Joey. I don't, when I talk like this, it has nothing to do with Joey, because he was just doing his part in the show. And like he had more stronger feelings for other women. And that's fine. But I just feel like when I turned to like protecting myself, where I'm like, almost self sabotaging, I feel like it's like self protection. God it,

because aside from Joey, have you ever been in situation where you told someone you loved them, and they didn't say it back? More like they come on strong in the beginning. And like they're like all in and I push them away. And then when I get to the point where they're like, I can't, okay, you know, you keep pushing me away. I'm actually going to go. And then when they actually go, I'm like, I didn't mean that. I was just joking. Get your eyes over here. And they're like,

hmm, I don't know if I can, like, they don't believe me anymore. And I, but then in the end, like I said, I, something happens where I'm like, there's a reason why I was pushing them away in the beginning because I, they, they do something where I'm like, they weren't even, I don't know if I even believe them to begin with. But there's been times where like, they come on strong,

and it's like, we're never there at the same time. I'll say that. I think that's a naturally,

you will get to a point where I believe that it's going to happen at the same time where I'm not going to do that. But what you're doing Maria is you're testing them to see it in your brain. You think pushing them away. Yeah. I'll see if they stay if they say, but what you're going to eventually stop doing because that's not healthy is you'll realize, oh, you're pushing them away. And they're like, okay, I'll leave. Like, you can only push so much them one away to the point where they're like,

okay, you're, and imagine if you just didn't. Oh, I had an epiphany recently. I'm not joking. Like, I hold, like, I'm like a whole different person when now. Like, when I'm going to open up to someone and like, I feel it initially. And that, that initial attraction to me is so hard to come by. Like, I don't just have for anyone, but when I do, I'm not playing those games. Like, I've learned now the hard way. And so for me, I'm so open to just letting myself be happy for the first time.

“Where I realize that this is what I'm using. Yeah. So that's what I'm saying. Like, you know,”

it should have happened in the past, but I grow from it every day. Totally. But I will say, because I want to make sure, you know, like, I'm not judging you. Like, oh, no. Literally until Matt, like, that is, that was my game. I would be like, oh, my God. I'm going to

make sure he really fucking likes me by giving, never giving anything. Or they go so hard. And it definitely

doesn't mean to your ego. You're like, oh my God. Like, you know, it's so hard. I'm like, holy shit. Like, you love coming. Yeah, but it's not, it's not good. And then they turn around. You're like, we get back here. Yeah. What are you doing? And it's like, but you have been literally destroying me for the past couple months. Yeah. I've been trying everything. I said, do you flower something? So sweet. I take you to dinners. And you get me nothing. And now when I leave now,

you won't be up. Fuck you. Yeah. It's a very immature, you know, like, I, I'm done with that song and dance. Like, I'm really over it. And so I think it needed to happen for the last time for me

bring to the, to the table and like, what I can offer someone. So doing that kind of game is just,

it's not cutting it anymore. And I don't, I don't even want to do that anymore. Because it, it hurts me to hurt someone else. Well, I think what was positive to see is like, I feel like we like, watch, do you grow on the bachelor? Oh, absolutely. But when you were like, fuck, maybe I do

“you have to let my walls down. Like, because Joey kept being like, do you like me? I know. Hello.”

And you're like, I don't know. Like, well, it was, it was so classic what you're describing. And I think it's so relatable. Because I think it's like, this want to not be vulnerable. And you want to make sure they like you before you're vulnerable with them. But for you to actually

know, if you guys like each other, you have to be vulnerable in the fucking first place. So you can't

be like, walls up the whole time. And I think that, like, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong. Like, I feel like you left the bachelor in a better position for your love life. Because you're like, I now know what I'm going to move forward. And I'm what I'm going to do when I meet someone I'm actually attracted to. I'm not going to make them think I hate them. I know. I know I have to let them know. I know a hundred percent. And like, um, being on the bachelor, it showed my friends and

family that I am a lot more emotional than they've ever seen me. That was the probably the hardest thing watching it back was having my friends and family see how much I cried. Because I don't cry. I, that's just not my thing. I, I'm not that girl. Yeah. And so they couldn't even believe it. They're like, holy shit. Like, but it was, it was a lot more than just crying over a guy. It was like, I was being, I felt like I was at war at times where it was like just so many things

accumulated into one of our, I was like, okay, I'm, I'm so drained. But I did, it, it, it opened me up. It, it, it allowed me to know that it's okay to be vulnerable and to let my feelings out.

“And it's better sooner than later because a guy that likes you and wants something with you should”

know how you feel. Because that's the only way you're guys going to move forward. And I, I totally get it now. Everything you're saying, I think led to this perfect obvious next step, which is, we need to talk about the bachelor at. Oh, yes. Because we watch you almost as like your character arc is like you come in and you're like, your walls are up and you're kind of falling for this guy, but you don't know if you can because you don't if you like to you and then you let

him in and then you get heartbroken, but you learned so much and like we're all rooting for you. I feel like America was rooting for you and America was absolutely devastated when you were not announced as the bachelor at. Yeah. Where you offered the role as bachelor at. Obviously, I have been trying my hardest to say silent about this, but I think that moving forward and if I'm going to be in this world, like I have to be honest, especially with the people who have

supported me and the answer is yes. Yeah, I was offered the role. I mean, it was mine until I said

it wasn't and yeah, it became very overwhelming to the point where I had to decline. So thank you for sharing. Yeah. How far along were you in the process of like becoming the bachelor at until you pulled out? Yeah. Well, to the point where I was doing fittings. Like it was set in stone. I was in it. Yeah. Again, like, you know, bringing up Jen and all of this. Like I, you know, she was one of my closest girls in the house and she was always verbalizing how badly she wanted this and

when everyone around me was so supportive of me being in this position and everyone wanted this for me. I kind of took a second. I'm like, why am I not happy? Why am I not excited about this? And it took me like realizing that it's just not my time where I was like, guys, I respectfully, I need to decline. I need to take a step back. I was not in the right right right headspace for this, especially knowing that like because I know the extensive process it was to be on the show, right? So having a bunch of

guys do the exact same thing and they're there for me. I didn't want to waste anyone's time.

“And honestly, like, yeah, it was, it was hard for me to kind of jump right back into, yeah, honestly.”

I mean, I think I can be honest. Like, yeah, you were about to come on the show and we were going to announce you as a Bachelor at what, like a month ago. Yeah. And that, I remember I was going to have you on on like a Monday and on like Sunday. I get the call like Maria went back to Toronto. What were those like next few days, like, once you turned it down? Yeah, no, I, um, the one thing

me and like just being open and honest of where I was mentally and how I felt about everything,

you know, like everyone was so excited. And I know what this season could have been like and it would have been great. I just was not ready and, you know, coming back home, I just, when I say that I just wanted to come back home back to reality and just take time off from all of this. Like,

“I meant it. And I think people saw that and recognized that I was imposing as much and like I was”

not speaking on things because as much as like I wanted my time off, but I also wanted Jen to have her moment and like she is the most perfect bachelor in my eyes. Like, I couldn't think of anyone better to do this and she was so ready for it and that was enough for me to kind of say, yeah,

this is, it's not my time. Um, it was, it was a hard time because everyone, again, everyone was

so wanting this for me. Um, but I, yeah, I just, I just needed to be home with my family and friends and take that time off to be honest. When you saw how devastated America was like, how did it make you feel? Yeah, I mean, a part of me, obviously, was so grateful and like, I, like, when people even come up to me and ask for a photo or talk to me and like, love me off, I'm like, I'm an all of you, like, I don't deserve this. I'm just so appreciative of it and like that was one thing that kind of

kept me going in this, in this process because I was like, I want to do this for them, you know, like, I want to do this for the people that love and support me, but in my time, like, that's not doing it for the right reasons. Okay, but when you say, you, it wasn't your time and you weren't ready. Yeah. You're saying you weren't. Yeah. Why? Like, I, I need to understand a little bit more, like, why, why did you turn it down? Well, okay, like, I, what people saw on their screens was only

the half of what I kind of went through in the house. Like, yes, that I have time off before it aired. Yes, but again, everything was so like, I was so anxious throughout the whole thing. And I get it. It would have been my own show. It would have been me kind of having, like, more control over things. But again, like, it's so isolating being in there and I would have to give up my phone. Again, my free, like, not my freedom, but, you know, like, having to be alone

in that. And I don't, I just wasn't, I wasn't comfortable. I wasn't just mentally prepared for it.

“I think that's, I appreciate you sharing that because again, I think it's like, so many of the”

women from the season would have been amazing. Absolutely. And then, though, is the perfect pick. She's going to be no question. She's going to be great. And you would have been great. And it would have been completely different seasons. But I appreciate you saying, and I think, I wish, I think what you're doing more people should take note of is like, you're not running for the cloud and the fame. Like, there was an obvious answer of like, you would be on TV for another

how many episodes and everyone would see your face and you'd be on posters and billboards. And you prioritize it. You're like, I literally am so fucking anxious. And I don't feel good. And I'm going

to prioritize that over getting my bag to the right 100%. 100%. Like, that never interests me,

interested me to begin with, going on the show. And I wasn't ready to milk my 15 minutes. Like, when I, like, I remember Wells, he was like, I don't know, he did the bartending on, yeah. So he went out on a podcast. And he was saying that I had all these expectations that I had all these, I don't know, whatever. Like requirements and asks. Yes. And that one was I wanted my phone the entire time. And I wanted my friend to be a producer. And it's like, like, I wanted so

badly to shut that shit down. But again, I just didn't think it was my time in my place. But like, and he was like, oh, everyone's going to forget about her and Daisy. Like, like, this is the, this is going to be their biggest regret. Forget about me. Like, I am so at the end of the day,

“I have to do what's best for me. And if that's what it's, it was so disheartening to hear someone”

who knows this process, knows what they put us through, like, not what they put us through. But like, knows like how, like, intense it is. You have to be fully committed. Like, knows like how mentally draining and like physically draining this could be to like say something like that's like, literally shut the fuck up. Like, you don't know me. You don't know me. And like, I'm a very respectful person. So that went so against my character. And I want so badly to speak up on that,

because it's so not true. Like, everyone knows you get your phone taken away. And that's it. Right. Um, well, it's also just like so tacky. It's like he's been in this franchise for so long. Right. It's like, did you ask Maria if that, those were her requests? Right. Do you hear it through the great find? Because if those weren't your question. Right. Like, don't speak on shit that you don't know about.

bachelor back in that same thing. Well, that's what I'm saying. But here's the thing. You know,

it's it's kind of like contradicting for you to say, I'm going to be forgotten because I'm not

“back to right. But then where do you stand? You were never bachelor. Right. So are you forgotten?”

Well, I don't know you. So you're forgotten in my head. But like, no, that's kind of mean. Don't say that. I'm sorry. Well, it's come make me a drink. But um, at the end of the day, I'm just saying like, I would never say that about someone else. No, it's a great. I support whatever anyone else wants to do. If they, if they're at the end of the day, what I wanted people to understand why I took my break was like, they would say, okay, you know, it was fairly obvious. Everyone wanted me as bachelor at

obviously, I was going to be asked. I think that was, yeah, obvious. So if I didn't do it,

there had to be a reason and had to be because of me. And because I had to take us up back.

So for him to say, because of this and the other thing, like, Wells, Wells, that's all I gotta say. I just didn't like it. I was like, I, like, just talked to me and you know what asked me and I would tell you, you know, this is not. But like, I'm not, I don't disrespect, especially the team that was there for me who was who were leaving their families for me to like be there by my side. Like, I respect them so freaking much and it broke my heart.

Because I knew how badly everyone, again, everyone wanted it. No, I agree with you on the well thing. I think it's just like a dumb comment made by someone who, like, clearly would have he's speaking from what he would have done. And we're like, we know Wells, you would have loved to be bachelor back in the day. But I don't think he thinks he's irrelevant. So like,

“why do you have to be irrelevant if you don't have to be a bachelor in different ways?”

Clearly, we have other things that we would like to do. And if it means me going back to reality, going back to my day to day, what does that have to do with you? And don't, don't talk negative about it. Like, it's okay. I understand I was on a reality show. But it was real life to me too. Like, if I want to go back home and just go back to me, I am able to do that. And I want to do it. And I did it. Now that we're not going to see you on the show, we're not going to get to see you

date 32 men. No. What is going on in your dating life? Are you single? I'm so single. Okay. I'm so single. Are we going to see you in bachelor in paradise? No paradise. No no paradise. No. Okay. So how are you approaching your dating life right now? Um, you know, I just want to meet someone organically. Is that the word? Yeah. Um, like old school. You know? I just want someone to like come up to me while I'm

grocery shopping or out of books or even though I don't read. I'll just be there one day. Like, I just want to meet someone the way like, I don't know, back in the day, no social media. I know my DMs are open. Tell me nothing. Who have you gotten DMs from? Shut up, shut up, shut up. Look at that. You, I can already tell when you're lying to me. You're not. I said,

“no one. No, I swear. Who's in there? Who's in there? Who's in there? Who's in there?”

Do you want to look at my DMs? Give her my phone. Have you not gotten a celebrity DM yet? From who? Who? Who? Tell me. Who? Who is my DMs? Who's in there? No, I'm married. I know. Who have you gotten DMs from? Come on. Um, like, just Bachelor nation. Oh, give us one. Come on. No, by the, the, the Gold of Bachelor ads. What? I mean, there's a golden Bachelor. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no, the Gold of Bachelor ads. Like, people who support

me a bit. What man? With the old men. No, not. I bitch. Can you hook me up? No. I think, Peter, as if you're watching this, I saw you at Coachella and I did not like that. But I'm open. Wait, the guy that played Dommer? Yeah. He don't say that. He was in so many other fucking things. Sorry. You're gonna let people know that I'm interested in fucking Dommer. Not Dommer. Are you guys like Kinky shit like that in the back? No, no, no, no, no. But I like horror,

right? So he's like a horror icon of our generation. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. For so hot. Okay, so no guys in your DMs. No, for not getting into my DMs. Maybe. But I don't want that, though. You wouldn't meet someone at the stage coach this weekend. You're dancing in the moonlight. Post motel loan is singing. You're like, oh, and it's some of grabs your arm. Is he gonna grab my arm?

No, oh my leg. Oh my god. Wait a second. What? Are you that flexible? I could be. No.

I could be guys. I'm flexible. Take note. Are you doing splits on the, um, P.P? I- I could be. Hey, why not? We did. Backflip all mess shit. Do you, dance moves in the bedroom? No, no, just your flexibility. Just my fact of, yes, yeah, I can throw my leg behind my head. You guys hear that? Dems are open. I'm joking. I don't want fucking DMs. I really don't. Guys, I'm not kidding. Who do you answer in your DMs, except for Dommer? Who else? Not Dommer,

man, Evan P. Sorry. I'm Peter. Sorry. Oh my god. Okay. Um, who would I? I don't know. Someone who's

I need to think about that. I'm trying to think of Matt as any friends. So we can keep it in the family.

I like, I don't like a guy. Like, I used to think I wanted a guy with like a big, big, big personality. Yeah, no. But we're going to clash. No, they need to shut the fuck out of the last few stars. Yes. I learned that soon. I was like, okay, what I started really reading on my Leo chart. I was like, Oh, I can't. Leo, Leo. Bitch. I'm rising Leo. Yeah, there we go. What are you rising? I think

“there could be a Virgo in there or I'm just saying that's why he keeps like, wait. So, so what's”

your boyfriend? He's a puppy. He's an Aries. And it works perfectly. It works perfectly. Because to his fire and fire. Yeah, it's great. But he's like, he's great. He's, I just run the house. And then he's great. He's great. Because he got, yeah. Because he's like dominant, but not in the way that like, I actually have the last word. But that's what I'm saying. Like he's a man. I want to man. But who let's me have your fun. Yeah. Like have your independence and like don't be terrified of your success.

And like when you're in a room, he's like, go to your thing base. Because they know at the end of the day, you're going to make them feel like the biggest man. Yeah. That fucking room. Yes. Yes. Boom. Okay. We're going to play a game. So you're now dating. I'm going to give you a scenario. Okay. Okay. Well, you're dating. Well, you're, you're trying, too. Okay. I'm going to give you a scenario that could happen on our. Okay. Well, so I'm like, I'm not trying that hard. Okay. I'm okay with being

alone. I'm going to give you a scenario. Okay. Yeah. That could happen on a first couple of dates with someone and you're going to tell me what you would do. Go ahead. He subtly flexes how much money he makes. Oh, I pay the bill. Leave. Make it yellow. Take his balls and come right off. Take your money and go impress some other rich. Oh, hey, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Wait, what? No, I love it. No, I love it. This is great. Is there any scenario where it would be hot if someone's

flexing about their money? No, never. Absolutely, never. And you know what? The rich people know.

I don't say I know all the rich people, but they know they don't flaunt it that way and the people that do don't actually have it. I like a guy who's modest, honest, modest. No, well, not modest money. Like, I want you to spend money. But I mean, no, but I mean, like, I don't need them to talk about it. Like, who are you trying to impress? Like, it's almost like you want to know he's wealthy through what he says of like, oh, my God, like, I can't wait to take you to Paris summer. We have to go.

And you're immediately like, huh, like, whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You got this. Like, like, it's through the contextual clues. You know, he's happy. Yeah. Not by him, like, flexing on you and you're like, you definitely don't have that much. If you're talking about how much money you have, you don't have that much money. I have no interest in hearing it. So 100%. Okay. He text back way too fast. Like, every single time. Oh, no. Yeah. I don't play games like that when I see the

text I answer. No, Maria, hold on. No, I'm not kidding. No, answer that text fast or else. No, I'm being serious. Do not wait on it. Hold on. What if it's like literally every single time you bring serious. Enter. He's already typing. Oh, type. Okay. Okay. Why? Why not? He's that eager. I mean,

“he's there. I mean, that to me shows you're not playing games. Like, if you, here's the thing.”

But he doesn't have a job, like- - Okay, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Okay, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no

- Yeah, and it works, was it? - Oh, I don't know. - Well, I'm only gonna sexy for a exclusive. - Okay, good to know. Really?

Weirdly I feel like, I look back at the day, and I'm like, I feel like I was sexting when I was like getting towards exclusive. - Oh no, I think it's exclusive with you, 'cause I have fun sexting.

- You do have fun sexting. I feel like it was like a exhausting.

“- 'Cause usually the guys that I talked to”

are from Toronto, and so it's long-distance, so sexting is what keeps us close. - Ah, not FaceTime Sacks. - Oh, I mean, that's all you have of. - Okay, so you don't mind a little sex.

- Yeah, but not all the time, I don't know. - Oh, okay. You want it to be like special and sporadic, and like, keep it exciting. But, yeah, okay.

He leaves a toothbrush at your apartment after a few weeks of seeing you,

but never says anything about it.

- I throw it out, I don't know if the fuck is this here. I wouldn't even notice if you throw it out, I'm gonna be like the fuck. - That's it. - No, honestly, I would be like, well, first of all, why don't you have a place,

and why aren't I leaving mine at yours? - And also, you don't really find, as I'm asking you this question, quite strange, just like, how did the toothbrush get there? Like, I know what the fuck?

- He's like, he's like, he's like, (laughing) - No, no, that would be a little weird. - Because probably if you're not, like, you probably were at dinner, or you're at the bar.

- Yeah, yeah, yeah. - So if you're keeping it in the back pocket, - Yeah, yeah, yeah.

- Yeah, no, I would be like, a little grossed out.

- I'd be like, I don't know, I've never happened,

but I'm like, you know what it does. - Yeah, unless he was like the nearest, and he's like, oh my God. - It's here! - My teeth will stain if I don't get this white wine off

or red wine off him. - I don't know. - He'd travel, that's a turnoff. He'd travels with a toothbrush, 'cause his veneers?

- No, no. - His mom's like, it's not. - No, I, I, that's a, no. - Okay, so we're not appreciating if the guy leaves a toothbrush,

you're just, you're just starting to feel. - No, I don't think I would think too much, I, I mean, there would need to be a conversation. I can't imagine a guy just like slipping it in there,

“but I think if he did slip it in there without a conversation,”

I would be like, what the fuck? - Have you ever hooked up with a guy that when you went to his house and his bathroom. - There was another one? - Yeah, or there's, it's like, fully stocked ready to go

for like a woman post. - No, but that's a little fucking weird. - It's weird, I've been there before. I've been there before, and I'm like, I don't want to be a sexer on the go,

no sexer on the go, like, what are you like, a fucking fucker on the go? - The fucker on the go, like, he's ready, he's equipped. - He's getting at the baby wipes. - Oh my God!

- He's got, like, the makeup wipe. - Okay, I know what, stop this for now. - This is what I will say. - If a guy has his entire bathroom stocked for a girl, if it's a one night stand, I'm like, thank you.

- Thank you, that I can take my makeup off. I can, like, put my tampon and I'm out of to do these tampons. (laughing) - Well, yeah, because I'm fine. - But if you're seeing him in a way that you like him,

I would be like, no fuck this shit, you're free. - Oh my God, you want to hear, sorry? - Yeah. - And this guy, this is before the show. And I went to his house and he had his and her sink,

and he had moved out and he moved to the new place.

I'll never fucking forget this.

So he had his and her sink. And then I walked into the bathroom, and there's his sink, it's all his shit. And then there's just a random toothbrush in the her sink. So go, what the fuck is that?

He's like, oh, it's mine, I used, I swear to God, this is what it's used. - This is what it's used, I almost want to puke. He's like, oh, no, it's mine. I used to separate toothbrushes, one that's a little bit

hard bristles, bristles, or the fuck, and one that's softer.

“I go, like, I don't know, do I look like I'm stupid?”

Okay, don't answer that, but I don't fuck with him right now. He went to the extent of grabbing the toothbrush and using it to prove to me that he does use it. And I went, you just did the most in your embarrassing. So goodbye.

- It's actually like, regardless of if he's lying or if he's telling the truth, both are awful. - Right. - Why was it on that side? Why was it on your fucking ass?

- Just put the mask on. - Oh, yes, put both of your toothbrushes in the same way. - Okay, you're fucking in the same area, yeah. - Lyre, okay, he vents to you about his ex

on one of the first few dates. - You know what, I like this, I like to do this thing where I call it honesty hour. It's actually a hidden thing that I get every guy with it to be honest, girls, take notes.

So I like to hang out with guys casually. Very casual, let them know, we're like, we're friends, we're gonna like see where this goes kind of thing. Let's have a bottom line and let's ask each other anything. And like, let's not judge each other on this.

So usually as I'll say, what are, if your ex can describe you in any way, how would it be? 'Cause I like to know, I wanna see how they're gonna a talk about their ex, if it's gonna be in a nice way, but also I wanna know what they would think

that their ex would say about them. So just like kind of opening that up and like letting them know that it's a comfortable setting to like talk about that, but if they're opening up about their ex randomly without me asking,

I'd be like, girl, girl, girl, girl, girl, girl, girl. No, but I'd be like, listen,

“I think you need a center of tax and say you're sorry”

because you're still hung up on it. I'm not interested. Yeah, time for me to go. But I don't know, I wouldn't wanna know. Okay, I wanna see how we're, I'm kind of loving it.

Yeah, this is my problem. First of all, I feel like every single time that a guy, okay, this is my feeling, they're still loving us. No, this is my problem. Every fucking time, I think that girls

always want a fucking know about a guy's past.

I'm like, when I'm at that, I'm like, tell me every single ex you have, show me their Instagram, who are they, then some of them I was like, oh my god, like, whoa, you dated her, oh my god, yeah.

And then he never asks in return. Oh my god, because they don't wanna know, but I like that though. I get it, it's so much that they don't want to know. I was like, show me, show me.

I know, there's, you're right, it's like, make you jealous, like I want to know. And then they don't ask, I can see why they wouldn't wanna know, because in my mind, this is the way my thought process would be,

is that they like me so much, they can imagine me with anyone else. I believe that, and I actually know, not in this. Like it's not, right? But then there's also the other guy who would be like,

no, show me everything I wanted. He's like weirdly obsessive and like, um, wants like take ownership of you and wants to know, like I, I like the guy who would be like, you know what, I don't even want to see it.

No, I love the guy that does that. I remember Matt did that to me on the day. I was like, so you are, are you gonna, I know, if I could show you, do you guys send me? It breaks your confidence.

But it's such confidence, but sometimes I'm like, mother fucker, let me make you jealous, right? Okay, second question is, when you ask them, oh, what would you actually say about you? What do you think, Maria, if I ask you,

Oh, fuck.

I don't like this turning on me.

I think they would say that I'm honest, that I'm loyal. And I can be a little nuts at times. I love the audience, what a shocker, right? That's me, I don't think so.

Self-aware, self-aware. So you're not doing the bachelorette. Where are we gonna see you? Like we've got to see you more often. I would love to be seen more often.

(laughing) So actually, you know what, I'm not kidding you when I say this like, I'm taking it step by step. Like this, like you, I wanted to be on this podcast. This was my first step.

And now what I'm gonna do moving forward? I don't know, yeah.

I really don't know, and so to give an answer,

but I'm sure people will see more of me. Yeah, I think that's a great answer.

“Like I can imagine, like, this is very overwhelming, right?”

So overwhelming. Like you had a pretty normal life before all this. Does your dad really make a sprinkle? Sprinkle? Yeah, that's kind of cool.

I know, and every time I say sprinkles are like sprinklers, I'm like no, no guys, the shapes and sugars you see on baked goods, but if you don't get it, but someone has to do it. Do you like sprinkles?

I, you know, my dad owned a chocolate factory before the sprinkles. And I wasn't a big chocolate ear.

I know, I'm not like a dessert girl.

I'm not like, he did like chocolate cover almonds, everything, and so, but as for sprinkles, yeah. I mean, do I usually put sprinkles on things? Yes, I'm gonna say yes, because I own a sprinkles company. But listen, everyone, you need it.

We need it. We need it. We need it. And so I've got to do it. So you're going to stage for papa?

What are you gonna do it? Who are you going to stage coach with?

“The sisters from my show, iconic girls love they are the best.”

Oh, you told me we were going with your sisters. And I was like who, yes, sisters? Well, they are like my sisters now. Who are you going with? What are the names?

Lauren and Allison, Hollinger. Kay. And Sal. Do you love country music? I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I.

I like country music, but am I the biggest fan? No. You're kind of like a nickel back girl. I love nickel back bitch. I knew it.

I can't wait to snuggle back. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I really love nickel back.

“And I don't get why they have such a bad rep because they're just, I don't”

know. It makes me, what do I have such a bad rep? I don't get it either. I, I, I, nickel back I'm with you, but I'm not after this episode. I feel like we really kind of covered it all.

We didn't cover anything. I feel like we need it. Like we need to do 19 more of these to actually get it all. I would help it. I am trying.

I had so much fun with you today. If you're even better in person, you're so fun to be around. You have insane stories. I do. And yeah, there's so many more that I actually, yeah, I'm not gonna say it.

What? No, no, no, no. We'll save it. We'll save it. We'll save it for something else.

Yes. Maybe you'll do one day. Oh, maybe? I have an idea. Oh.

Well, I'm interested in hearing more. Maria. Thank you so much for coming on ColorDaddy. It was truly a pleasure. And it was very fun.

The pleasure is all mine. I love you. I love you. Bye.