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everybody that I did purchase multiple sweaters at the quarter zip that I've been wearing, and this is the first time I've actually worn the official Olympic sweater out. I like it a lot. So, I had to pull this out because we got the start of the lady, lady's figure skating today, which I'm excited to watch the, you know, their short programs and the

“women's hockey's playing the gold medal match this week as well. So, you know, I'm feeling like I”

had to, you got to pull the sweater out. Yeah, love it. There's only so many, there's only so many weeks you can wear the merch. Because summer is also around the corner. Yeah, and then it'll be. Well, you know what's nice is this doesn't say like winter Olympics, you know? So it's like granted, yes, it's a sweater. So I wouldn't really be wearing it as much in the summer. But it could be you by a fire. Exactly. Like a chili, a chili summer night outside fire pit.

You got shorts on shorts on. I got the sweater wrapped around my shoulder. It's just maybe toes to some marshmallows, just watch gymnastics happen. Yeah. So, so preppy. Yes, it's extremely preppy. Well, let's put, you know, Rav Lauren, that's true. It's hard to escape that. And it's true. Right, for that, for that, for that brand. But yeah, other than that, doing great, you know, I was real mischaddy before this podcast started and you were like, come on, let's record, stop talking.

Well, just I mean, a little behind the scenes of how, you know, the magic is made

but we always kind of set a time for recording. We never start at the time. We actually say we're

going to start. No. Oh, is his way later. But sometimes there is a time. It's like, oh, I actually have something to do after recording. So all the fun, ha, ha talk before. Yeah. If it goes on too long, then we're, we have to tack it on at the end. Right. And imagine we don't finish the episode, then I got to go to the dozen and then we have to come back here. Yeah. No, thank you. What do they think is, I was just giving everyone a free show. And like I said, I was like, oh,

you're going to miss out of this comedy gold right now. No, no, no, roll. Well, you know, we're going to have a, you know, when you guys start doing something. It's just magic. When you start going,

you want to come on rear rants tonight. We can continue that. I'm sure. The people are always asking

for you. But I'm like, you know what, guys, he's busy. He's busy. He's just like that DM. I got

“that I hope you or Noah get on, which, which pissed me off, because I was like, what about me?”

The girl who loves to entertain. Sorry. I'm like, I love to dance. I love to sing. I love to entertain. But no, let's get Noah on dancing with the stars. That's it. Pist me off. I was like, are you kidding me? It was literally what I, I've, you really didn't have to have to read this out loud. No, you were like, if you or Noah, I'm like, I'm not even a part of the show anymore. Fuck me, I guess. Like, fuck, whatever. Shit. No, if you were in dance with the stars, who would you want

to be a partner? Since your such an avid fan, now? Probably Whitney. You know, good, good choice choice. That is a good choice. Yeah. I could see you being paired with Whitney. Yeah, I think so. I mean, any of them would be great, but I think Emma seems fun. Yeah. Emma's great too. Maybe like,

I'm a good place. Yeah. Because I don't know if I could, I don't know if I have Robert in me, you know?

“I say Pasha, usually, but like, any of them. Did you say Mark at one point? I would do Mark. I would”

do Val. I mean, really, you can't go wrong. Alan, Brandon, as you know, like literally anybody. Yeah, we just, we just, we just don't, just anybody. Buckle up. Yeah. Nope. Yeah. And all of them have their own special unique qualities about them that make them great. So, yep. Really, anybody. And Mark Dallas is on our episode. Yes. Mark is on our episode today. And we talked all about traders, which is so fun, 'cause we could talk about traders for hours and hours and hours. You know what

pissed me off this morning? I was walking into work. You're really in the piss. Sorry. You're like, piss me off. I'm in like a, I'm in a mode right now. Yeah. I feel like I'm entertaining. I'm going to come and out, you're coming out, you're coming out, screw on, you're sharp. This person, we were, I was cross, I was on a crosswalk walking across the street, passing someone. And they just sneezed just out in the open, like a cow. And like, no. Yeah, excuse you. Yeah, yeah,

when you're in the outside, it's not a free frog to just sneeze any which way you want. Go into your elbow. Mm. And now I'm sniffling a little bit. You think that they got you?

“It was a direct hit. I think I got directly hit. You know what you do? I have to, you have to”

hold your breath when that happens. And until they're like out of the net. I didn't even know it just happened so fast. You know, and I just, I just, I just was, I think it was close and close. Yeah, I just discussed it. I'm like, well, what kind of barred animal are you to be just doing that, like, like, publicly like that? That's that. And also like in a suit as well. No, but it's just, you're a, you're a dressed up man. Yeah. Don't want to work. I think you just get on to other people.

If you're around other people, absolutely. I'm never sneezing openly. Oh, like if you're

alone in your apartment, I think I still. I am all, when I walk all of them, there's nobody around me. I'm sneezing. Just open. Yeah. If there's nobody near me, it cares. It's not a reflex to go into your own. No. Oh, wow. Walking the dog, too. I got one. I'm like, oh, no, the more you know. No. If there's somebody walking past me or someone close by, absolutely, then I will. But if I'm on the sidewalk, and I have a, I have a wide radius around me. Oh, my God. I'm stunned. I'm absolutely stunned.

You do that. When you sneeze as much as I do, you start to give up. I don't like, I sneeze so much. It's just it's exhausting. I, I'm sorry. I'm, I don't like to eat judgmental, but I can't. If I'm, if I'm just by myself, and I don't feel like I'm in your shoulder, we're just like toward the ground. It's like you guys are just, I don't know what to tell you. If there's nobody

“close by, I don't care about sneezing into, you know, where's, whoa, no, I think it's just a reflex.”

Yeah, at home. Like, I'm just not just like, what, home? I'm not sneezing like crazy. It's more from outside than there's nobody around me. Yeah. Your home alone, like, farting. Same thing. Like, like, like, the way he paused before saying farting. The when, when you're like, farting. Excuse me. Are you asking me, oh my, I'm saying like his obviously you're, if you're not going to do it in public, but if you're home,

you don't hold it in, like, alone. No, never farting is different than sneezing. But it's, but it's

the same idea of like, you don't, you don't act the same way when you're alone. Yeah, but you're, you're covering your mouth when you're around other people when you're sneezing. It's like, yeah, but you have your fart sound going to get anybody. Yeah, I mean, unless you fart on their facing of them pink eye, like, you know, you're like, you're like, you know, you're like, first and you're hurting is yourself. You're holding it in the fart. Yeah, maybe we're talking about it. Yeah.

You know, right now, fart, because your home alone, like, go for it. No, it's no way. I'm not covering my asshole with my hands to cover my fart. Or holding it in, giving yourself a tummy ache. You're walking up as if you're like, yeah. Maybe you're holding it in when you're around other people because you don't want to fart. Yeah. Yeah. It's different than it's. Yeah. Yes. Oh, shit. Wow. Oh, that made me laugh. Hard. Anyways. Anyways. You just got to walk a,

I know. But it's always, it's the worst for me in the mornings. Yeah. So like, I get up right away.

“And go and take all of out. And that's the time when I'm like, my eyes are watering.”

My nose is running. Look, because I had a gap in it. It's like, the, when I wake up, is my allergies are always so bad. So I could pretty much make an excuse for anything you do. Like, it's like, if somebody else were to tell me, I would be like, yeah. And you're, I'm like, you know what? You're cute. You're teasing all over people. Yeah. It's just, I'm like, I'm on a rough fine around other people. I'm absolutely not sneezing willy-nilly. Yeah, definitely don't

be farting either. No, don't. I literally need a clip of, no, I'm just sitting back, pause. Yeah.

What about like farting? That's another one where you, you'll be like, clip that and I'll be like,

I feel like out of context, I might not be. No, but it's funny. Yeah. It's funny. Moving on, pause right around the corner. So make sure you guys are getting your tickets.

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America's next time model documentary, three-part series premiered on Monday. Look, we took away one thing from watching this and Tyler's really not that sorry. I was absolutely shouldn't have done watching this by the way. Does she have an authentic bone in her body? I don't know. I felt like she was really not sorry and even when things were explained to her. I'm like, why? It seemed like she put almost

had a character on the whole time, too. It's like looking in the camera and she was like, "Model smile." It just didn't feel real. It's even the emotional stuff with the other people on the show like she was like, and I, after they were all fired, it was like, and I cried myself to sleep that night. I was like, I don't believe you either. I mean, look, there's one side of me that's like, okay, I guess good for her. She's standing by clearly how she feels about it. The same time

it's like it blows my mind that she can't be honest and vulnerable and admit that they made mistakes. 'Cause it's like acknowledging that there were mistakes, but everything was like a butt, but this is how reality TV worked. But I wasn't in production, but I didn't know the cameras were still going, but this is what the audience wanted. It was a blame game for everybody. Everybody was blaming somebody else for something, and I just didn't understand why I couldn't

feel like she was genuinely sorry about literally anything. And Ken, yeah, he was definitely not sorry about anything either. And I just, I was, I was sort of blown away while by watching it because yeah, no part of me was watching it going, oh wow, they, you know, they really know that they messed up sometimes. Right, what was the one shoot that Ken was like, yeah, that was wrong. The, like, the violence, the violence one. But that was the only one that he was like, he was like,

yeah, that one was a, that one I'll, I'll hand up, that one was a mistake. Oh, not all the other ones, that one was crazy. And what's crazy is they really kind of doubled down on so much like, I know

did it again nine cycles later, which is like a lot of seasons later to do it again. And with the

stuff with Shandy, that is so insane and heartbreaking and crazy, the fact that the fact that she went on Tira's talk show and Tira played the footage that she clearly didn't want to watch for everyone else to watch again, like at that point later, like years later, is mind blowing to me to not think like, oh, week should maybe not play this on TV again. The Shandy stuff was so insane to me because for some reason when they were all talking about what happened, it was almost like they

still couldn't wrap their head around what they did wrong. Yeah. And they just kept saying, well, you know, it's a show and we film everything. Right. That's not the issue. That's not the issue. Is that you were watching a girl who was clearly obliterated. Yeah. Be taken advantage of

“in her extremely drunk state. Yeah. You should have done was, hey, let's send these guys home.”

Yeah. She's clearly not in the right state of mind right now to be making these decisions. That's where you fucked up. Yeah. They kept just trying to excuse them filming it all. It's like,

no, the problem is that nobody's nobody's stopping this. Nobody stops it. Nobody stops it. And

on top of that, it's like they then watched it back and just said, oh, this we could put this on. Right. And they, they double down on it. It was like they didn't stop it. And then they was like, there was more that we didn't air. Yeah. Acted like, no, acted like that they air like the, the good stuff. Right. They were acting like they were the good guys back then. Like there was more because the show like, yeah, excuse me, that's horrible. You are now admitting that even more happened

with this poor girl that you did not stop you filmed and broadcast it on television. It's like, and then it broke, that whole, it just broke my heart. Because I'm like, you know, this young girl who thinks that this was her fault, her boyfriend, she's then forced to call her boyfriend on camera. And at no point does anyone step in to be like, Shandy, this wasn't your fault. Like, you know, and that broke my heart. Because it was, you know, the girl talked with,

with Tyra being like talking about cheating. And I just like, did you cheat? Like it's like, I don't know, I, that just really, and I know that people have been having these conversations about Tyra in this show for a long time, but really seeing it all happen. And then almost, there's almost instances where it seemed like Tyra and Enfuse couldn't even remember what they

“were referring to, which I think is even worse because it's like, oh, you're living in your La La Land”

of like, I didn't do anything wrong. You don't even, you're, you're, you clearly, it's clearly not sitting on your mind. Like it's clearly not in the back of your head like, oh, man, like, that was a mistake when we did that. She's like, remind me again, like, what that was? It's like, oh, you don't even fucking remember. Yeah, it was, it was wild. I was watching the whole time

just kind of, first of all, you know, the fact that we grew up watching the show. And I'm kind

of looking back on like what I watched. Yeah. You know, like, I'm just like, you as a lot of young women did watching the show, seeing what was broadcast said that goes into your brain. And you're like, a lot of it was disgusting. I know. A lot of disappointment. Yeah. And it seemed like Tyra maybe like, it seemed like Tyra went into it with the right intentions of wanting to sort of

“disrupt the industry and having these conversations. But then the show had such a shift. Like it wasn't”

in favor of these girls. They weren't helping these girls. It was like, well, now where do these girls fit in the industry? And it wasn't like, how do we get them to break into this industry and disrupt the industry? It's, oh, no, how do we get them to fit in to this already fucked up industry? So when Tyra's mind, she's like, well, I'm just, you know, I'm trying to give, I'm trying to help them. I'm helping them. I'm giving them advice that if they want a long career, they

got to change this, this, this, and this, so that they can fit into the industry instead of like embracing and loving what they have and being like, we're going to get you through these doors. Yeah. And you're going to, you're going to be a disruptor. It was like, no, actually, let's change your teeth. Let's change this. Let's change your hair. Let's change all these things so that you can fit the mold of what these agents want. And it really does feel like Tyra doubles down on

that too, where it's like, I knew that agents weren't going to want to, Katla, they weren't going to want to sign her. They weren't going to, she wasn't going to get these kinds of big, big deals. Right. And with that look, one of the journalists even said like watching it with adult eyes,

Yeah. And now I'm watching it as an adult. And I'm just like, oh, you know, it just leaves

this bad taste of your mouth. And seeing the way they picked apart all these women. And

“and honestly, like Tyra can say, you know, I did the show to make it, you know, try to make a change.”

She wanted a hit show. Yeah. She wanted it. You know what I mean? She wanted to make a hit television show. And I think she used, yeah, the guys of, oh, I want to break moulds in the industry. And once they started to realize that they was like, oh, what's good TV? What's not? Then they were just like, we're just trying to make a entertaining show because they knew the problems that these women were going to run into. And Danielle spoke. And she said that

Tyra called her 15 years later to be like, I knew that, you know, you were being doors were

being shut on you and like, I didn't do anything to help. Yeah. And that's so, and she's like, how fucked up is that? Like, you knew. Yeah. And you didn't do anything to help me. Doesn't really seem like she did much to help anybody afterwards. And it's, it did, and they sort of

“touch on this in the documentary of like the show became so huge that the storylines of the show”

really started to take over more than, you know, who is the best model? And those kinds of things like talking about maybe not using the best picture from some of the shoots to be used in like the eliminations because, oh, they are, they know that this girl needs to make it to the next week over another girl. And sort of manipulating it in that way. But it really seemed like none of the girls got any help doing anything after after the shows or any sort of good advice or mentorship,

or anything to help them actually break into the, into the modeling world. You know, they touched on the, on the Tiffany moment, which is the, um, obviously big viral moment that everybody

went through, we were rooting for you. I've never yelled at a girl like this in my life. Exactly.

Which we all know so clearly, but she, I want to, I saw that she posted on Instagram and basically just like said that, um, all the shit that like Tyre was saying, she doesn't really believe. Um, she said that Tyre had said a lot more and the characters wrote hold up at Tyre Banks. Let's keep it cute. You are one lying ass, tied ass bitch. You know how you treated me the whole time off and on camera. You was a bully. You treated me like shit and said

the nastiest things about me and my son. This is not how the argument went, but you all edited it to make it look like you cared. Um, just a fuck the shade room, fuck you weird ass fans and fuck you Tyre Banks. I bet you won't sit down. Me face the face and talk about it. Also, fuck my family too. I roll emojis. They all don't ever defend me. I got more money and help me more people than all, than all, than all or many of the top models. But that's the update.

I'll give damn shame. And she goes just like damn because it's been over 20 years. All these things. You're still like whatever. Yeah, I tied about it. But there's no love lost for a lot of these girls in Tyre. And I don't think that like, I don't know what Tyre thought was going to come from her being in this documentary. If she thought that she did a good job explaining herself or, you know,

“clearing her name or whatever it was. But to me, it did quite the opposite. I think it did the opposite”

too. I think it actually probably hurt her more than helped her because there's also so many more moments. And it felt like everybody else was really open about what was going on as far as like Miss Jay and Jimi Annual and Nigel all talking about their experiences. And Jay talking about his relationship with Tyre and that kind of exploding and him wanting to leave the show and the tension and all that there. And they really didn't speak. She emailed. I'm so disappointed. Was the

only thing she, he her back from her. And then when she was asked about it, she was like, oh, I don't really want to talk about it. Like I should call him. It's like, that's not, you're filming a documentary. That's not the answer. That actually makes you look worse, I think. Mm-hmm. And I don't know if she called him. But I, I would, my guess would be no. And then, you know, Jay talking about how she wouldn't talk to him off camera once he said he was going to

leave and would only like play on camera. I don't know. It all got crazy. Miss Jay had a stroke. And just sad. I, I don't think I realized that. Yeah. Um, just such an icon was in a coma for weeks. Yeah. Five weeks, I think, as they said. And the, you also, you know, retire each out? No.

there's clearly a lot of love still there within the three of them.

“Not so much, Tira. Yeah. And I think it was telling too when they were talking about how,”

when they were on the street. And they were recognized. And like, oh, that's Tira. Because those are the, the freaking out about the, freaking out about the jays. And being like that didn't sit right with Tira. Like, yeah, no shit. Yeah, I could tell. And also it's, it's, it's not that what goes around comes around. But it's like, hey, this show went on for way too long. As you all see, it was like, cycle, whatever, and you're like, okay, they were really trying anything at that point. And once

they got rid of that original group, it's like, oh, Tira was so heartbroken. And so sad just saying

was the hardest thing ever. She really didn't say anything to them directly. Never really had

any conversations with them. And then, like I said, what goes around comes around the years later, it's like, they won't, now they want to fire Tira. So it's like, I don't know, it, it, it, so much of it really reflected poorly on how she handled relationships with the girls on the show. And with those three as well. All around. Yeah, just all around. And I, you know, some of the girls seems like, you know, some of them certainly don't fully regret doing the show or any of

those things. Like, it felt like some of the girls like, hey, yeah, I would, I would do something

“like this again, different. But I wouldn't do something like this again. Yeah. So I think a lot of”

I came with disappointment, how like Ebony talking about how she was just disappointed with the way that Tira treated her in the way she called her. And certain words that she used with her, because she thought that she would understand. And she felt like the script was kind of flipped on her, because she was expecting something else from Tira. Yeah. So people who thought Tira was going to be like a mentor to them. Yeah, just actually turns out you just wanted to, you know,

she was just trying to make good TV and and made people feel shitty about themselves.

Yep. And the same thing, even with with Kenya when she was first fall,

she had to deal with a lot, because the fact that they were like, we really had to retouch your photos, because, you know, you're eating so much, just like so ridiculous. And then doing that shoot with those guys and one of them being, you know, kind of creepy and touch it or too much and making you're uncomfortable. And instead of supporting her in that moment, it there was no support. No. And no understanding. And so that's telling the guy to stop. Yeah.

“They told Kenya that you should tell him to stop. And like you said, you know, let me joke about it.”

And like say it lightly and it's like, no, somebody from the set, just step in and tell the guy to stop. Yeah. And I feel like maybe Tira took out a lot of what maybe happened to her in the internet. I was going to say the exact same thing. These women totally. And was kind of like, well, I dealt with this. You need to deal with it. Instead of completely changing and flipping and changing the mold of like, like, they kept saying, like, they just kept using this one line

from J bad and well that they, you know, we wanted to change the industry when we did the show. They just kept repeating that line. Yeah. And I'm like, but then you just treated all these women the same, because then they would go, well, then we were just treating them like how they did in the industry. And if you want to change the industry, you want to treat them like the industry. Then you got Janice Dickson. You want to change the industry or you want to get them ready for

the industry. Right. And then you have Janice Dickson. Oh, my god. Like awful. This shit that

it's so damaging. It really is. And it's damaging for first of all all the women on the show that

experience this. And even some of them still spoke about how much those comments still stick with them. They still can't see themselves in a positive light and they pick apart their bodies. But for everybody watching as well, who, you know, is like picking apart themselves because of the shit. Yeah. And that's another person too that you think someone else who's been who was in the industry for a really long time. And I'm sure I got torn to pieces time and time

again. And they're so jaded and almost like brainwashing away that they then push all of that onto these younger girls that you're just, and they're like, well, this is what people are going to say. It's just I'm just being honest because I know how the industry works. When she said that jazz, I guess it was like she needs to lose a hundred pounds. And and terror was like, then she'd be 30 pounds and jazz goes, yeah, that'd be better. I'm like, oh yeah, my god. Like it is

as provocative. It was like people, oh, the shock value is there. So I think it was like, oh,

“wow, my god, did you hear what she said on that episode? Like that's so many people were having”

those conversations. So they definitely just got like it. They got lost in the reality TV. Madness, all of all that. And then they started showing, you know, how much it changed now. Like, I mean, look at Kendall Jenner. Yeah, like the hedeets, like a lot of like reality TV family become super models. But there was a stigma about coming from a reality show and being from top model and being, you know, kind of just thrown away to the side. You're not really

signed with the agency. Yeah. In your life's going to change. And then, you know, you're kind of just

pushed to the side. But whole thing was wild. And I had to say, like, I was watching it being like,

this is, I can't believe that, like, I don't, I don't, like watching Tyra, maybe uncomfortable. I have to say, like, I, I, I just felt like she was putting on just a fake thing in the whole

“time and not even fake in a way that she was apologizing because she really wasn't. Like, she was,”

you know, it was still very much trying to be like, I'm proud of like the crazy show that we built. Yeah, there were some bumps in the road. Yeah. But all in all, you know, we were just trying to make good TV. Like, that's really all we were getting. Yeah. It was kind of crazy because they were not exactly little bumps. No. And you can acknowledge the mistakes that you made. Like, yeah. Oh, man. Yeah. Just like no ownership really is just a lot of deflecting a lot of blaming other people. Oh,

well, that was production. Oh, I didn't have anything to do with that. Oh, this was that, you know, and you're like, well, you were the face of the show. So yeah. Oh, God. Yeah, that was something. Yeah. I want to see if she comes out and says anything. Is she said anything about it? No. I don't think so. I don't know what she would say. Well, she's literally in Australia now with her ice cream shop. So yeah, does she even really care, right? She might not even care. She has a post.

Her last post is from February 7th on Instagram. And then I was sad just here, Chandy and her boy, boyfriend couldn't make it work. They tried to shoot, get yelled out on the street. That's awful. Oh, so sad. Yeah. To have to relive that and see that. I couldn't believe when they fucking played it again. The terror bang shows in Sanity. You know what? And it's so crazy. And not just Americans and I'm out of it. Just like television and talk shows in general. We have

used to be so insane and out of line. Yeah. And it was just was considered quote unquote normal because it's like what everyone did. Right. That's like Ken was referencing the halftime Janet Jackson. It was like, and after that, they're the regulators. But it's a little more strict. Even like the even like journalists interviewed, like the way that they would ask people questions was so invasive. Totally. And thank God, it has changed. Yeah. You know, because it was insane.

It's just so crazy. Moving on, exciting announcement. Hannah Montana, 20th anniversary special coming to Disney+. And it's host by Oscar. But I just have to say, I just don't get where the Alex, where Alex super comes into this. I'm very excited for a Hannah Montana special. Yeah. 20th anniversary. I just, um, I'm, I'm interested to see what happens here. Because I am confused where Alex, who per comes into play, for Hannah Montana, 20th anniversary special. Well, she's interviewing her.

Oh, so it's like a sit down. Yeah. It's a sit down. Yeah. It's a mediator. Yeah. Yes. So I was like, why aren't we just having the people like other people from Hannah Montana do that? That would be better.

“I think anyway. Like, it just, yeah, just see. No, I get what I'm confusing to me. It really”

probably could have been hosted by Miley and like having other conversations. But this is, it's so the special will be filmed in front of a live studio audience. And we'll feature an exclusive in-depth interview with Miley, hosted by Alex Cooper. The conversation will offer an intimate look at the creation of one of pop culture's most iconic characters in the lasting impact the show. And character I've had on fans are on the world with heartfelt nostalgia and fresh

perspectives. I also will revisit the moment's music and memories that define an era.

Mewers will be treated to never before seen archival footage while some of the most memorable

sets from Hannah Montana are brought back to life, including the Stewart family living room and the legendary Hannah Montana closet. There'll also be some familiar notes. There's asterisk. Notes that find their way back into the spotlight. Which makes me think she sings. I would hope. Right. Like, yeah. There's some familiar notes. Yes. Maybe she's also sings a couple songs. It really does kind of sound like a lot of what Alex does already. You know, like to me,

really high production value on a lot of them now. Like she's traveling to these people. They're

not only doing full interviews, but they're kind of like vlogging or there's a performance or like like Xane was just on. There's a portfolio. Like, there's all these. There's a whole another element to it that makes me think that they like they paired up to do this. And then it's kind of that same similar product, but will be on Disney Plus. I was holding out hope because there were all these rumors about a potential one night show somewhere. And that really excited.

Like a one night show that was like holy shit. Yeah. One night. What up with my kidney on the black market. Yeah. So I was like kind of got my hopes up a little too much about that. There were a lot of rumors like around local New York City social that perhaps it was going to be at MSG. Like there was the rumors were flying. And I was like, oh my god. Like I will do anything to

“get in the door if that is what it is. But I think, you know, I think it's going to be a lot of fun.”

Obviously, we haven't heard Miley really talk so in depth about the show in a long time. And getting to see more behind the scenes stuff. I hope maybe there's some other cast members involved. That's my thing. It's like this will be great because we will learn a lot. And you know, we have an interview in the whole thing. But for me, when I initially heard that, I'm like, okay, but what about some other cast members? What about Emma Osmett? What about Jackson Earl? Like,

what about other Mitchell Mousseau? Like, you know, other cast members that were involved in Hannah Montana sort of being included in this. And now, you know, Miley is Hannah Montana. So she is the main star and the main person pulling me into this. Of course. But I'm interested to see. And I'm excited no matter what because anything I'm going to do with Hannah Montana excites me. But I, you know, maybe they still will announce a concert. I don't know. I'm holding

out hope that Bill announced us and going by the way. Right. Do you want to one night? I don't necessarily true. This may not be the only Hannah thing that Miley does this year. But it is going to be out March 24th on Disney plus I'm assuming they already filmed it would be my guess. But I guess maybe they could not have, but I feel like they did. Yeah, I couldn't make a guess on this one. Yeah, I don't. I'm not exactly sure.

My thing is just like, fill me this in front of a live audience. I know, I'm sure they take everyone's phone and all those things. But the way I would be telling everybody I know that you were there that I was there. Yeah, spread like wildfire that they filmed it. Maybe they haven't.

“Yeah, maybe they haven't because it's got to get out somewhere. That's how I was there. Yeah,”

yeah, you know, nobody has said anywhere that they were at a, it'd be on TikTok or something. Yeah, it is like, oh, I got this invite to this. They mean, yeah, something outside like the studio or wherever. I'm, they're taking my phone now. Right, right. I'm going in. Yeah, you're going in. So maybe it hasn't happened yet, but it's coming out March 24th, like I said.

And Miley sounds pumped to talk about it. She said, Hannah Montana will always be a part of why I am.

What started as a TV show became a shared experience that shaped my life and the lives of fans and so many, I'll always be thankful for that connection. The fact that it still means so much to be all these years later or something, a very proud of this anniversary is my way of celebrating and thanking the fans who stood by me for 20 years. Miley, you have no idea how much Hannah Montana means to me. Yeah, you really do have no idea. No idea. So thank you. Yeah, so it's going to be great.

“And I'm hoping like, there is a few songs to end the show. You know, that would be just the”

bonus. Nobody's perfect. Yeah. And we could just hear her sing a little bit. Yeah, we'll be just like all that's a broke world. I bet all the money in the world that she sings. There's no way that they really don't. There's no way she doesn't. Yeah, she fits the wig on. Oh, my gosh. She has to put the wig on. She's got to put the wig on. She has to put the wig on. Wow. Put it in the wig back on. That would be sick. Ooh, I bet another trailer comes out where she's putting the wig on. Oh, wow. I'm very excited.

I'm speechless. Yeah. I'm very excited. That's one word me speechless. We have a lot to look forward to. Yeah. I can't wait to. Can't wait to see it and hope that that wig still fits perfectly. Yes. And we know it will. Yes. All right. That wraps up the topics.

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one who notices that the faithfuls who come into breakfast will ask are always the faithfuls

that the traders are debating whether or not they should kill. How did the faithfuls not track this every morning at breakfast? I feel like it will be so easy to figure out who the traders are. It's such a big clue that nobody ever talks about. If you're like you know one of the traders, not the faithfuls of the traders that we're talking about it, nobody watches this show, talks about it, even it drives me crazy. So anyways, I guess my question is, is this something

that you girls have talked about or thought of that and why do you think it is, please have more talked about. All right. Thanks, girls. I think I kind of missed what she said. She's saying that the faithfuls are always at breakfast early, like before the, yeah, but with the last that last people

to walk through the door are the people that the traders were contemplating murdering. Right.

And oh, I get what you're saying. And then it walks in and it's like it's like the three or two people that they were talking about murdering last night, but they didn't, and then the one they did is right. I did see somewhere and I do not know how true this is, is that they film it multiple different ways. And that it might be just for editing purposes for TV. Yeah, right. That we are seeing that it's just a spend spilled for us to be like, how would they film a different ways when everyone's

in the room? And they like all like react to like them walking in. Like redoing it. I think that's

“something that would just be fully fake then. I don't know. Yeah, that's why it's like bullshit. Yeah, that's why I have no idea”

if that's true either. But I would hope not that way. Yeah, I, yeah, I don't know if it's like, oh, we'll do entering breakfast. Again, like, from the top, everybody. Yeah, they say talk, like that's such a big talking point. I was like, you reacted this way. You dropped your fork when he walked in. Like, if it was fake that that seems like I'd just be. No, I agree. And I feel like maybe even just with like the last few people is where they would want to try and switch it up different ways.

But you can't like go back through the door once you're seeing. You know, so I feel as, yeah, I don't know. I guess it makes a lot of sense to think about it that way is like, oh, but then not every time they mix them together with like, yeah, not every time. It's like every person

who was being talked about it. There's always, there's always a couple for sure. And it's not

maybe there's someone else mixed in that wasn't on the chopping block. And it's not like anyone would know who they were talking about. Yeah. Or like, as people are a timer and it's more of like, if you catch onto that's the thing, then like you could just. Right. And I guess if you also thought, like, wow. Stevens, but they don't, they mix it up day to day. So it's not like, oh, Stevens been on the chopping block for a few days. He's been the last one in every single breakfast.

Yeah. To like, add it up that way. It's like, they mix them in. But I guess we should pay attention a little bit. Yeah. Maybe you're just really having to like write that down. And yeah, I'm wondering if it's an editing thing, though. I don't know. It could be just to build suspense for the viewer to be like, if you did they murder. Yeah. But not in order. I just don't know how they'd film it out of order because like you see the room react. Well, they're saying,

we're saying you can, they're filming it in order. It's an editing that they mix it up. No, I know what you're saying. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know either. I don't know either.

“That's why I'm asking. Yeah. Yeah. I guess. I don't know. I feel like maybe sometimes when it's”

like three people coming through the door at the end and they're like, oh, like maybe they're not actually the last people through the door? Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. Traders is one of those shows where I feel like I almost don't want to know like what goes on. Production wise, because I feel like a lot of it is probably kind of. Yeah. Sure. You know, they have to redo some stuff. It's TV. Yeah. I also like the shots of them like writing in their books at night and they're

better, but obviously are like, oh yeah. And they have to film them pretending to go to sleep because like going up the stairs to be like, I'm going to bed because they don't sleep in the castle. Yeah. Yeah. That's fine. But if it's actually like, I'm not fucking with the game. They're not affecting gameplay. No, not gameplay now. No. But like sometimes if somebody messes up something they're saying, they got to redo it. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. So yeah. But that is interesting.

“I mean, I think that's interesting a little bit more than that. That is true. I feel like”

I feel like they, everyone is thinking about that though. Like, we're, I bet you marks notes

question to ask him. Yeah. Fuck. Yeah. I totally, we had this question earlier. Yeah. All right,

moving on. Any real friend Noah and Olive, this is Rory from Lovington, Roster line. I wanted to know if you guys have seen anything about Chris Harrison's new spin-off show, not spin-off, but like new reality dating. So I've seen it all over my Instagram and the picture for it, like the announcement of it, looks like AI gone wrong. Like, it's a, it's a, it looks real. It's an all the old picture of Chris Harrison. I just don't know if this is real and like if it is this real

why it says that advertising work like that. And then if you do think it's real, like, are you behind this? You think Chris Harrison can make a comeback? Like, I just seen to know your thoughts

and if anybody else has seen this because I've seen it everywhere. Thanks. Love you guys. Bye.

Well, you too. I have not seen this. It is real. Oh, you have it? No. Okay. So, I mean, this is Chris Harrison's own Instagram and he's working with a, you know, a reality TV producer is also tagged in, uh, in the post. So it's, it is a poorly curated graphic, but I don't really think that

“means anything like I think it's just a background. But they are now casting as is dating for a”

traditional marriage. Chris Harrison is back hosting a brand new dating series, a prominent streaming service is casting single men and women 21 plus who want a traditional marriage-minded partnership built on commitment and shared values. We're looking for singles who believe in

clear roles, long-term commitment, and building a life together, and who are dating with real

intention. Apply now and then it's Chris Harrison's captions as it's time to help people find love again now casting. So I guess they're bringing this back. To be honest, I don't really have any interest in this. Happy for Chris, I guess, but at the same time, this isn't, this isn't Greg, this isn't bringing me in. I don't really like some of the wordage. Yeah, I don't like that. They're like, let's get back to it. Yeah. Some of the verbage, I'm like, I don't really know clear roles. It's like, oh, so

what you get in the kitchen is like a lot all women who just want to find the man to take care of them and provide. Like, is that the show we're getting here? I don't know. I'm not fully into that. I don't really know what kind of different vibe this is going to be, but I guess he's back on. So yeah, I feel like it's going to be, I don't know, like a miss. Like, you know what I mean? Like, it just seems like the time had come right and it was, look, the audience, like people were,

I'm sure there's people out here that will want to wash this, you know, but speaking of bad promos, the comments are pretty funny. The, the Taylor Frankie Paul, bachelor promo, who edited that? He's on it was bad. There was something off about the editing of her like walk through, it like had the millennial pause at the beginning. Oh, that yes. Like her, you know what I'm saying? Like it's like, yeah, I feel like they did her dirty. It's just in front of a bat. It's just

“in front of a like green screen, like a weird green screen, I think. I just felt like they did her”

dirty with that problem. Yeah, I think it's just like a, unfortunately, weird green screen. But other than that, I don't think it's, it is because it's like, it's very high deaf on her, but then there's moving video. Yeah. And when she's like the background, but it looks awkward. Yeah. But I am excited for her season, but I, yeah, I, yeah, same, was pretty confused by that from I won't be a, oh, I don't know what just sounded just playing my phone. I will not be,

I don't know if I'll be tuning into the Chris Harrison. No, I don't think so. Dating show for the, for the clear roles in traditional marriage. Yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't be so on that. All right, moving on. Hi, guys. This is Sam from Illinois. I just recorded another one

“and I started like an absolute moron, so just ignore that. My hot take is that I think more”

books would be turned into TV shows, rather than movies. I think it allows for so much more time to tell the full story to get background, build tension between the characters, like the house made specifically should be a series or book one of season one and then book two of season two and so on. And then maybe suddenly, so you would be a better actor, because I think she's a better TV actor than she is a movie actor if you look at her track record. Yeah, I just think more books

I agree with it. I totally agree. I think that it allows more space to go in depth. They can even add, you have more than enough in the book and then edge it. Yeah. You know what I mean? You got

“and plus more. I totally agree. I think that any book can be made into a TV show. Yeah. And I”

think when it gets made into a movie, you got to cut shit out and look at your game at their own. Like, I'm asking if they tried to like squeeze all this into one movie instead of like,

no, it would never work. It would never work. It would never work. And I like that. I like that idea.

Yeah. Yeah. I agree. But then I also think that there are plenty of times where it does work and you still get a great product as a movie, because you need some of them to become movies. It's like, I think if Harry Potter obviously you lose a lot in the movies. But the movies are still fantastic. So there's still a lot of joy that the movies can bring. But yes, there is always going to be some stuff missing that's in a book. And now now they're making a

TV show. They're going to have more stuff that's going to be from the books. But some of these big movies like the new Ryan Gosling movie that's coming out, Project Hail Mary is a book. Yeah. And sometimes it's like, yeah, make that into a big blockbuster movie when there's certain things.

“But I think like the mystery, there's certain genres. I think like that mystery thriller, romance,”

world works really well as TV shows. Because there's more to work with. There's more details.

You get so much more to put the puzzle pieces together than when they take it and make it a movie. And then a lot of that stuff gets lost. Totally. Even going back to people we mean on vacation, the way I didn't read the book, but the way that it was described to me, that like, you could have had multiple episodes that were each summer. Yeah. You know, totally. Could have been broken up like that. So I do think it does depend on the genre. But I do

like what you're saying. And I think that some of these books could look more towards TV show. Totally. I think of seven husbands all the time, too. When it's like TV show movie TV show movie. Seven husbands could be a TV show. Seven husbands to me would be such a good TV show. And for a while

it was like, oh, it's going to be a movie. There's so much information in seven husbands.

I feel like a TV show would just be so much right here. And movie might be doing it into service. Especially when it's broken up in certain chapters or characters that you're like, it's so clearly can be a limited series. Right. And yes, for sure. Oh, now you got me all worked up on in these TV shows. I know. I know. I know. I know. Shit. All right. Let's do one more.

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shows when we know that the cast stopped getting along or don't like each other to begin with. Some recent examples are like thousand from summer I turn pretty, Rudy from outer banks and caramel from queer eye. And some people know that they don't get along just really takes us out of the show. And it's not even about shipping people outside of shows. It's just so hard to believe the acting and scripted shows when you know they don't like each other and enjoy reality TV

when you like when they don't like each other. On the flip side, tasks like friends or modern family that get along so well just give you this warm and cozy feeling when you watch them. Other people might not have this issue but we do so we're just curious how you feel on this topic. What are you? Love you, too. Now interesting. It is interesting because I feel like we know too much now. Right. You know so much behind the scenes. Yeah. Whereas like back in the day

yeah, it was a working relationship with James Gantelfini. Yeah. We were not you know. Yeah. And hearing that now you're like, oh really? But even on with friends that don't think like they were all like, they were all, they're all very different. And excuse me, they were best friends. No, I watch watch watch. I'm sure they went together every day. I'm sure that they had their ups and downs. Yes. Like between. And that's natural. Like 10 season. Exactly. Like sometimes

you're going to gravitate more towards this person this year and the other, like on some cats with an ensemble cast. It's just you are right, Rhea, that we just know too much and see

“too much where it's like, especially with social media, it's too much. I think about our”

banks. It's like, oh, so Rudy and follow this person is every and then you're just like, it does take you out of it. I totally understand that. Well, and you also can't expect everyone to be best friends. Yeah. Totally like you are, it is a tension. I want to straight. I'm right. You are and trust me, I'm with you. Like, you know, it does suck when you hear that actor. You're like, really, you're like best friends on the scenes, but at the same time, you can't expect that

up on to strangers. It's just going to be best friends and all and all get along and like all have the same interest. And, you know, everyone is closer to other people. You know what I mean? Like, you're not best friends with every person you meet. And what's it like, I think of,

like, what's it like Rachel Megadham is a Ryan Gosling? You really need a long. At first when

they obviously they dated after, but filming the notebook, they really didn't like each other from. Yeah, they hated each other and then they had a Steve Romance. Yeah. But like even thinking about Gosling, like all the stories about like like like like, yeah, and they're a mester. We're not really friends or best friends. It's like you would hope that you get along with your castmates and have that friend relationship at the same time. Like, yeah, you're different people

with different interests and different personalities and you might just not get along. Think about the

“one tree hillset, you know, it's, I think they were certainly, and there are times and times again,”

now they're so many different reasons why they had issues and the curls. Now have really been able to come together and have those relationships and talk, kind of talk about how the creator of the show was involved and trying to kind of almost keep them apart. But like Chad Montgomery was married to Sophia Bush and the non married to Sophia. Like there's definitely some things where things were getting messy and drama and all that. And if that was happening now on some of these

shows, my God, you'd be locked into every dirty dirty detail and yeah, maybe it would change your opinion on the show. I also think it depends on the show. Like, yes, a cast like modern family,

all being so close is, is amazing. And it's just like an added benefit because you're like the

show is a warm hug anyway. So you're like, oh, it's so nice that they all love each other. I don't know if like some of them didn't like each other. I'd look at modern family differently. I don't know. I was talking to you, Santa, like Jay and Sophia Vigar, like ended up fucking hated. Yeah, no, it's almost like, it's almost like expecting you to be best friends like your coworkers. Yeah. I mean at the end of the day, like they see it as work. So it's like

you're not best friends with every person who works here. Yeah. You know, like you are closer with other people. Yep. Then others. Yeah. But you know, listen, if I was on a TV side, I'd want us to feel like one big happy family. Yeah. Of course. But I feel like you're just going to get that one. You're going to get one or two people in the group that are just the asshole or whatever it is. It is an interesting phenomenon, no, just though to think about that, where it's like fans now

“do get so much more invested when the cast all like each other. I think it's interesting. Yeah,”

like each other. Exactly. It's just, and when they're doing an added boat, it is. And when they're doing press, and it seems like they're all having fun, it's great promo for the shows or the movies or whatever, and it gets you more invested, and you get more into it. And you're like, oh, well, they all, they all love each other and do all these things. So it is interesting when you do see the ones that you're like, oh, you know, those were two people that were just working together.

And it is interesting that we all kind of crave knowing that they all get along. Mm-hmm. What did I miss with Gavin and some are actually pretty? Is that a thing?

Yeah, there was always some rumors that he wasn't really as close with the rest of them,

and like for a plethora of other reasons. And like Chris Brianney and Conrad, like Conrad and Steven are like besties in real life. And I don't know, I think maybe there were several Gavin's got like, it was like, oh, Gavin got married, and then it was just like, oh, it's like the show. All these other, you know, like Gavin was whisked away, and I think I don't know, maybe some of like, oh, Gavin's own personal beliefs and choices was like kind of different than some of the

Yeah, Gavin's with all shows like, tell me, lives doing press together now. They're like, oh,

this person isn't like that person. I'm like, I'm not seeing that. They also know what I mean. I'm like, they actually seem like they're all, they all pretty much get along. They've all found their significant others from the. We're all dating with that show. I think that'd be the last show that I'd have a problem with the exail hate each other. Yeah, right exactly. Like, actually, it adds to it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. It is interesting. It is a big draw.

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I tried and true, faithful. We're so excited that you're here because when we saw you out in LA, we knew you were going to be on Traders. We were so excited. We got them get them into the studio in New York so we could talk about it. And we're just now approaching the end of the season here. We only have a couple episodes left and of course the reunion. But how is it watching it all back for you? Is it kind of frustrating? Because of course they have to

condense it so much. So you're like, I'm assuming there's so much more game play and things that are happening that we just all don't say. I mean, yeah, I mean, you're in the castle for 10 hours a day, right? And the episodes are an hour, hour and a half, maybe some of them. So I say as a fan, loving it, as a contestant, I'm like, oh, that's so much missing. Because there's a lot of reasons to why we get to where we get. There's a lot of reasons why certain things fly under the

radar, certain things don't. And I was just telling someone earlier, like, this is a game of it's a game of paranoia. Yeah. And like you really, you don't know, you're asked from your elbow

in there. Like it's so different watching it at home. Like I always say, because I have some friends

who are like, how are you not seeing this? I'm like, it's really easy when you know who the

“Traders are in episode one now. That's why so many people struggle to guess who the secret”

Trader was, you know, because when you, when that information is pulled from you and there's so many people, like, it's, you know, discombobulated. Yeah, so we all have the map. We all can see it. Yeah, you get the map. What are the pieces together? That's why it's fun, though, right? Yeah, I would, I would be curious if they did a season where the audience didn't know either. They see that one. I would drive that in, yeah, it would be so fun. I would be fun because we

would be a part of it. Yeah. And that's sort of what they did with the secret Trader. And even, I was like, I need to know in me. And I know that like a big part of the thing is like seeing the

Traders, you know, talk in the turret and all that. But I'm like, wondering if like for the first few

episodes, it was like the audience doesn't know anything. And then you get that later. Yeah, I mean, did you want to be a faithful or a Trader? So when I, when you go through an extensive kind of grilling by Alan, he kind of asks you all the questions. And at the time, you know, I was up for either. I think I, in hindsight, I probably should have pushed a little harder to be a Trader. I was kind of like, I was really into Dylan Ephraim's game. Like, yeah, just kind of,

“I was like, oh, that's how I would do it. That's, and me and him, then became friends on dancing. So,”

yeah, I don't think I pushed. But now in hindsight, like, we're almost at semi-final, and I've not had one vote at the round table. So I know how to not get votes. Like my whole game, my whole game was keep your friends close and your enemies closer. Like, if you thought someone was a Trader, like, you know, staying in their good grace, you know what I mean? Or do your best? Like, there's times you're wrong. Of course, that's the whole game. But yeah, you don't want to, like,

as soon as you get a sniff, be like, it's over for you. Yeah, and we've seen that happen time of time again. And you're right. Your name has not been brought out once. No, not once. Like, everyone, this season especially, and you've watched every season. So, you know, I feel like people are just like really blindly trusting. No, they're a faithful. Like, as if they know it for 100

Like, I feel like they know your a faithful, right? But it's like, how? Yeah, like, like,

but that's great for me. But it's like, how are they so short? It's just hard to trust anybody. And then when it comes to Rob? Nope. Like, I feel like, was there suspicion about him that's just

“not being shown? I mean, I think, look, everyone gets talked about. Everyone has their day in the”

sun. Everyone, you know, has those moments. There's a lot more to, like, Rob's game. I think that has kind of flown by the waist that people aren't really appreciating. And that's someone who's watched this for a long time. Like, if you watch the Trader's podcast, yeah. So, do you watch Boston Rob break a day, right? Like, Boston Rob knows what he's talking about, right? And he is very,

you know, he's at Myers Rob's game and what he's doing. There's lots of things, like, I used

to scenario the other day. And then it was funny. He went on the show and said, like, I'm like a cat. Ow, I used that. I was like, Rob's like a cat. He reminds me of, like, you know, who else was like this, Derek Huff. Derek's a type of guy that you could go to a concert with him. And he, you go by the backstage area and they just let him in. Then you try and you get your

“ass kicked. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Rob has that same quality. You know, so he, like, with the Lisa.”

That's a perfect description. Yeah, with the Lisa catch and then the Candace catch. We had, there was some stuff you didn't see where the Johnny was protecting Lisa, not on purpose,

because obviously he's a faithful, right? But when we played for the dagger, right? I did that

mission with Johnny. Like, me and Johnny ran up the hill together. We got the gold. We shouldn't love Johnny down. By the way, we were really good friends and Tara. But I said to him, I was like, yeah, we got to vote at least tonight. You're like, are you willing to do it? He was like, yeah, I was like, all right, great. We played for the dagger. We get back to the castle. And the whole castle has now moved to Natalie. And I'm like, no, no, no. Like, so there was a moment where I had

a conversation with Johnny's like, bro, like, you got to get, we got to get back for Lisa, right? So that put him in trouble, because Lisa was, we were going for Lisa that night. And because it looked like he was losing the vote to Natalie, but it was through Candace, right? So that got him in trouble. And then we had Natalie at the banquet over the antidote. That was very suspicious as well. And then the next day, Candace was pushing Johnny for a shield at the art museum, which was also

weird. So the way it all landed, Rob was able to just, right, cat like, yeah, yeah, I do that. And he didn't react. Yeah, like when he got grilled at the table, like, I said, people were like, oh, that was like, Trader on Trader in the room, in my opinion, from watching these shows, it wasn't. It wasn't Rob and Bob the drag queen. That's Trader on Trader. Daniel and Carolyn. Right. That was Trader on Trader, right? I don't know if you watched the British ones. Paul and Harry,

that was like somewhat Trader on Trader. But again, Harry sat deep in the cut. He didn't get emotional. Yeah. And he didn't react. Rob did the same thing. So it just kind of, at the time, you had an, it doesn't feel like Rob has really led the charge on the other traders. It was just like, once those names came up, it was like, well, it was jumping on the bench on it, which is good.

“I think, okay, so we have so many questions, but one of the biggest things watching for us,”

that were like, oh, my God, this feels obvious, but maybe it isn't Candace having the throw away vote to Rob. Yes. And then immediately next round table going so hard for him and Candace is a trader. Did that cause any of you to be like, we need to look at Rob. So I'm going to speak about this from my perspective, because again, there's the saying like, everyone remembers how they need to, right? And everyone will have their own perception of how that went down.

And if this was survivor, rule number one, Rob should have been voted out next to C. Right. But we'd had so many casualties, you know, like at the time, and we'd lost players that just weren't traders. Like, so honestly, like, it just kind of, um, it just, it didn't feel like trader on trader. Like, if I'm looking back on it, sure, like we should have, um, that should have been the next vote. But imagine if that was just the next vote. And Candace's whole game was like,

consistency, like, we have to, and she was very eloquent, very smart, played a great game. And day one, it was a throwaway vote and day two, it was, this is the vote. I was like, well, yes, say you said it was a throwaway vote. So which one is it? You know, so it kind of felt at the time, because no one was really heavily looking at Rob. Like, oh, you're just trying to get one of our good faithfuls out on the way out. Right. You know, got you.

you know, like, that's just not true. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. I think that was kind of,

I wish, I love Candace. She's great. I wish she'd have gone harder at him and forced him to, you know, and it's on us. It's our bad by not, you know, even though his trader survival rules, like, if someone has an advantage in the game or if someone, something like that happens,

“you have to go for them. Next, we just didn't do it in a moment, you know. And the argument of,”

like, him fumbling with his fork in the morning, you know, it doesn't really play. He just works. Yeah. And also, like, it would make, oh, he was upset that Colton went home and that sort of things. Yeah. Like, kind of plays into that. Now, how did you feel, you know, this past episode that we saw Natalie at the table say, to Rob? Like, say, say, say you have. I hated that. I hated it. And I felt like, you know, Natalie, who's such a great survivor of fire, love her. She's one of my favorite,

like, yeah, when she walked in, when all, because I, you know, I watched Survivor so much, when they walked in, I was like, oh, we got Rob, C, Jam, Jam, Natalie, Anderson. I didn't tell them that. Right. You know, I played, you know, oh, yeah, it's fire cool, you know, but I was very excited to play with her because I loved her season. Yeah, I loved versus what. But it was weird, because it felt like anytime she was maybe under a little pressure, she just crumbled quick. Well, it happened at the

banquet. Yeah. And then outing Rob for the dagger. Yeah. So that was like, and if anybody was on her, like, all of a sudden, her vote, like, she lost this strategic vote. If you're like, well, I'm just going to vote for the person who thinks it's me. That's survivors. Yeah. It shows survivor mentality of, like, I'll do whatever it takes to survive. Right. Um, she's a great gamer, smart thinker, but yeah, that was, like, because I was in the dagger pact, too. Yeah. So I was like, the dagger six. But I was like,

why do this? Why, you're in front of everyone? Why? Why? Why? Like, why not, like, have a discussion about it, you know? So, and then we lost Steven in the crossfire. Steven was in my alliance. I was

not never voting for Steven. Like, so what happened was there was a push for Steven, right?

Well, originally we were going with Johnny and like, there was so much missing for that table was epic. And then, because the round tables an hour. Yeah. Yeah. And each person gets to speak.

“Everybody speak. Okay. That's what I thought they just got to cut down force to speak. But like,”

when people are like, why aren't these people talking that everybody speaks around table? Maybe there's one or two where people don't because when in the early, when there's 28 players and however many 24 players and there's Michael Raff for and stuff like, you know, you know, you know, I'm going to let them do that. Yeah. Like, like, like, stay out the way. Yeah. You know what I mean? So we were going for Johnny because of the Lisa pulling off the shield thing. And then Johnny actually gave himself this

cute nickname in the castle you'd call himself leaky boat because like if he hit the info would just be like going around. So, you know, we would call him that. So, but I believed him. So then for me, now that the numbers are down, the village voting mentality, I didn't want to do that. I'm I said, I believe Johnny, I want to prove to the remaining players that if I believe you at the table, I'm not going to vote for you because everybody's voting for you. Steven was in my alliance.

I had loyalty to Steven. I had pushed my chips on Steven. I'm not going to vote for Steven either because I just don't think he's a trader. I threw my vote at Tara because I knew she'd forgive me. She's the only one of the table that I could go outside and be like, Tara. I'm sorry, like, I guess. I did want to vote for your boy Johnny because I believed him. Yeah. I can't vote for Steven either. So, like, I voted for Tara. I was kind of, for that was my throw away vote, you know,

because I didn't think Tara was really either. I know Kristen had to. And we talked about it. Right. And then that whole pop up with the Tara. Tara. Tara. I just didn't see it, you know, but when Johnny was in hot water, we had to look at, hey, if Johnny's a trader, like who's to say that he won't recruit his best friend that we just found out is his best friend.

“You know, you want to talk about that? Yeah. Is there an undefeatable conversation?”

It was so funny because you sort of stopped in and you were like, listen, you know, I have had so many partners and if and people that I've worked with and if they were here, like, I don't know if I

would trust them 100% and they were basically like, no, shut up. We're best friends. I also want to

articulate that I wasn't talking about dancing with a star. Like some people were like, how can you compare the Olympics? Dance was a, it wasn't doing that first and foremost. I was comparing the art and the craft and the discipline of dancing, which has after lots of research has shown that it's equivalent to a sport, right? And I've had professional partners throughout my life and career. I use this example, right? Imagine me in the castle. And now I will use dancing with

stars, exactly. Imagine me in the castle with any other pro on the show. Yeah. Then imagine me in there with Derek. Right. There's a difference. Totally. Did I know they knew each other? Yes.

be four years. But I don't like, you know, have my ice skating knowledge like in my head

in the Trader's Castle, you know? Of course, I knew they knew each other. I didn't know it was like me and Derek. I didn't know it was right or die. Like it was, I didn't know it was like, hey, get the shovel. Time relationship. Right. You know what I mean? So, so when I said that, I said, I was referring to Derek at one point too. Like, if Derek was in this game, and I thought he was a traitor, I would vote for him. Yeah. Because you still pay the trust. Yeah. You have this conversation yesterday,

where I was like, I still don't, I wouldn't trust you 100% just because it's like the game,

“like you go to, you go there to play a game and it would be so hard. And that's why I said,”

but I'm going to be part of this game. Right. I would just be paranoid the entire time. Which is why I'm, I'm kind of shocked that they didn't do it just from like a show perspective

of making the show and picking the Trader's on the beginning to split those two up.

Well, yeah, that's, it's interesting. It's also like, you know, the other thing you do when you've done reality like dancing or housewives or whatever it is, you have to also like put your producer head on a little bit like, "Who would I make a Trader?" But I was producing this show. Yeah. I mean, it's like, we knew the Olympics was coming. Yeah. Yeah. So there's all this stuff in there. That's why we were joking too. We were like,

"Well, maybe that is why they both need to be faithful." It's because what if they're French and blow up right before they let the conversation start? 100% and I think like, we need them in the broadcast. There is an argument to be made that Johnny was recruited or terror could be recruited. I didn't think they like, looking at it. It's like, it's pretty clear that they didn't start. But like, I was with Johnny the whole time until

those two days where it was like pulling off. Like, it was Lisa. We were going for Lisa. Like, if she had done the amulet or not, at that point we were like, yeah, we were getting close, you know what I mean? But yeah, like, love Johnny and terror so much. But yeah, when they said that, like, we're best friends. We writer die. We were in each other's weddings and yeah, it was like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. So now you guys have kept a secret this whole time. That's something to

look at, right? But I understand why they did it because this is going back to Survivor. Like, if you have Boss and Rob and Amber on there, you're breaking one of, you're breaking it up. Totally. Like, you're signing one of them, huh? Yeah, so they made the right. Immediately. Exactly. And I'll tell you another thing, I was sat next to terror. The whole pretty much around the whole round table. Once I was next to Portia, then there was

Robsy. And then you're in the same seat every time. I could see her vote. So what does that mean? If I can see terror's vote, what does that mean?

“That's what Johnny's vote. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So this is a number's game.”

Yeah. This is not a team game. And you came ready because you took all the notes. And you've been sharing all of your notes. Yeah, I haven't shared all of them. Oh, I like how when you block them out. It's like some of it gets blurred. It's like a blurry character. Yeah, exactly. But I mean, I assume when you go back at night, right? When you go back to your rooms, it's hard to think about anything else but the game. Oh, no, yeah, you're certain. So that's where all

the note taking comes in. The show does so well at making it all immersive. It's like a real experience, like something you dream of as a kid to go do this like experience that feels real from start to finish. My wall. Have you seen that a meme of Charlie Day work? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was my, that was my role. But like, like, and I journaled the whole time. So when I watched the show, I read my journal back. And like so much. Yeah, yeah, yeah, this is missing. Like,

this is how we got here. So yeah, I'm a note taker that's kind of like, how did you sleep at night? I mean, look, there were nights where you don't sleep well, but you're you're exhausted. Yeah, you're absolutely exhausted. You're the, like, the challenges are like, they're not crazy. Like, people, someone asks me, "What's harder?" Dancing with the stars or the challenges on the trade. So I was like, dancing with the stars. Like, like, it's not even a kind of,

yeah, you could kind of, not say bullshit the challenge, but like, like, you're running up there. Oh, the mountain one was like, yeah, like that was like a chart. It's like cardio. It's like not all back to back to back to back. Crazy cardio. Yeah. Then you got the ones where you

got it, you know, there's always the one in the cabin and what's it's for the freaky stuff.

There's always like, that was time this year, like, did you see it last year when they dumped all

“the house? Yes. I was not looking for it. Yeah. Then this past episode, I honestly was sort of”

pissed when they showed the challenge. For this one, I'm like, this is going to be so, was it, the jacket in the box. Okay. This is going to be so obvious. The traders got a jump out. They're going to be able to hear. Like, I was actually like getting frustrated for the traders, but yeah, you can't. Well, once once the watching it, like, once the creek of the openings

I was giving me some much anxiety. I was like, I, the group sounds really bad to interpretation,

but yes, you weren't hearing it. Yeah, yeah, it was really that, it was like, for every single one, but it's talk about Eric's recruitment, which has to be hilarious. And a smart move from bra. I was like, well, when I watched it back, and I was the other choice, I was like, like, we and I said the same thing, we were like, I kind of wish it was Mark. You see what? Yeah. Well, what happened? But I do what it done so well. I think Rob knows that you're too good.

So it's like, Rob, I've talked about this a lot. Yeah. Have you, because if I'm putting myself in Rob's position, I'm like, Mark is a really good player. I'm really smart. And I think he could be a good trader. And in Rob's mind, I think it's like, I'd probably have to win it

“with Mark. Eric. Here's the thing. Eric, you could kind of ditch pretty quickly. It seems like,”

well, you know, to Eric's defense. Eric is a smart guy. Yeah. He's a kind guy. He's a loving guy. And he's a, a feeler, right? Yeah. Eric was in my alliance from day one, from day one. You know, so I saw Derek posted a video the other day. Like, after the round table, after I like,

jump ship on voting for Johnny, it's never going to vote Steven. I just lost someone in my alliance.

Like, like, losing Steven was a bummer. Yeah. You know, and then I voted for Tara. And then I was, they showed me having a conversation with Eric and Rob and Derek posted a video, he's like, it's them. Yeah. It's both them. You know, but I got to understand up to this point. I'd pushed my chips in on Eric. Yeah. Like, what people would understand is, you cannot go into this game and not trust anyone. Yeah. You can at the beginning, but once you're the number start to dwindle, at some point,

“you have to push your chips in on somebody. And I had pushed my chips in on Kristen and Eric.”

As I was going to say, it seems like you're from who you're saying you formed alliances with. Really, you guys all stayed pretty intact all the way up to Steven. Like, our little group was pretty tight moving. It was me, Eric, Kristen and Steven. I would say we were really close. We worked with everybody. Like, I wasn't, I would work with Johnny. I would talk to Tara a lot. I was very close with Tara. She's a dear friend of mine now. Like, I was working with Natalie, but like,

everyone has their, like, alliances they make. But if you don't establish 100% trust at some point and you're going through the game back, well, I don't trust any of you. People will be like, well, why not? Yeah. And that will turn on your ass really quick. You know, so you have to, you have to be open to pulling the chips back, but you need to pick your people and that, you know, just pray to God that if you make it to the end that you're, that your inner compass

has pointed you in the right direction. Right. You know what I mean? Like, I mean, we see that. Yeah, we see Natalie apologize to Rob and Eric. And you're just, you can't help but laugh. You're not like, you're watching. You're just like, she's apologizing to them. And she has no idea.

“They're like, yeah, it's all right. Did you, did you listen to, did you listen to Dorinda on the podcast?”

Talk about how she's just like, she was like, it was an honor to be murdered by Rob. Like, I have butterflies every time I see him like me more Natalie. Like, they were like,

she was like, we were never going to turn on Rob. And it's just they were enamored by him.

I got to say like, like, love your nose. She's so sweet. But you know, that's just not the case for like me and for Christmas. I'm like, I'm on dancing with the stars. I'm around really nice looking people. Yeah. That means nothing to me. Yeah. You know, yeah. Yeah. So like, um, I think it also, takes away from how well he's actually played up to this point. You know, we're still like up to this point. Yeah. Yeah. Um, he's smooth with it. He is really good at being your friend. And um,

he's a, I would say like, look, I say two things can be true at the same time, right? You can play traders and be a chess player and strategist and like one thing Rob and I bonded almost games. we love to play games right that's like like actual board games or chess and stuff like that like he would play chess with everyone. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

chess with everyone. But most of just like I know they showed him playing wrong, they showed him playing with Lisa. He would play with everybody. I play with him. We would all play these games, you know. So two things can be true. Like he can be a great strategist in the game player and yada yada yada yada, but he's also like like a really cool guy. Like really cool guy. Two things can be true at the same time. Yeah, that is nice to hear too because I feel like when you walk to show like this and he's playing so well and he is making all these smart moves on top of other people being, you know, in a trans with how he looks.

But he is really playing strategically. Then it turns to people being like he's just a really good liar. And it's like, okay, he's going to be really good at playing a game and also be a good person like boss and Rob. Yeah, I think boss and Rob is such a great game player, but he's a great person. He's a great person. He's a great person. He doesn't mean like the same thing. Yeah, totally. Have you seen Dylan's show he's made with Rob. It's called everything in competition. So Derek and I just did an episode with that and we played like minute to win it games and like the survivor

- Yeah, boss Rob is a great person. He just knows strategy, he knows game, he knows moves. And there's a lot of new fans for the Traders this year. Same as there was a lot of new fans for Dancing The Stars,

last year, which is amazing.

But the game is called the Traders. And it's also not the Traders versus the Faithfuls. The Traders are going to turn on each other. That's the whole point. Like, definition of Traders is someone who turns on a person,

a country, an establishment. You know what I mean? - Yeah, well, y'all not anybody. - Yep.

“- But that's why it's such a fantastic show”

when they do this celebrity version of it, because you get these reality stars, like the housewives and some of these other reality shows where their shows are solely based on their lives. They're used to being on reality TV,

where the drama comes from friends breaking up, loyalty, disability, like, so when you get the house, the their brain is like, oh my God, well, I've just been, they just went behind my back. Like, this is when I'm supposed to be angry.

So it's like, it just makes it such a crazy dynamic 'cause then you have the housewives be like, well, where's the loyalty? And it's like, there's no loyalty in this game. - There's no loyalty amongst these.

It's an interesting point. Have you watched the British Traders? - No. - No. - Now I heard this season was insane too.

- Yeah. - Nice. - I know, I know. - Season two, UK, binge watch that. - Yeah. - Really?

- A sap, okay. - Okay, okay. - Yeah, okay. - I really, like, and then season four. - Okay.

And I can, I'm excited for this, 'cause I feel like I got my husband into Traders this season, which I'm excited, like, I was so excited. - You're so excited. - He'll love, like, that version.

- So, so start on season two. - Start on season two. - You can watch all of them. - Yeah.

“- Like, if you want to, like, get rocked season two,”

and then season four, I say this, it's like, you just brought up a really good point, right? When you put people in the house, they're all from the entertainment industry. They come from an industry of entertainment.

So there are people in the castle that know the cameras on and we're doing the thing, and we're doing the bit,

and we're making good TV. The reality is,

the game is good TV. Let it do the work. - Yeah, I'm just playing. - Totally. - You know, it's good TV already.

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And she is so outspoken. But I feel like on this show, we're seeing a little bit less. She's a little bit more peeled back. You know, and we really only see her come into defense

about Rob, and really nothing else. I wanna know what else was happening with Mora in the castle.

“If she was outspoken, was she in the conversations?”

What was going on now? I mean, Mora is outspoken and Mora is what we know. Yeah, she has larger than life personality. And, you know, also, you can tell by her outfits.

She always looks fabulous.

She's hilarious. So funny. I grew up in the UK, so I love the Irish. I have a lot of Irish friends. But yeah, she was definitely doing Mora than that.

And like, she had opinions, and she would, you know, she did a good job at, like, she was very explosive, if you came for her, you know, which on one hand is good, because it would, when there's more people. When there's more people, it would deter you from, like,

one in that smoke. But it could also look like, why are you so defensive? Yeah. I mean, she was just really funny, like, she just, she had this slogan, just, she would always be like,

"Oh, I'm so good at this game." You know, because we're just, you know, there's moments for everyone where you're just, like, I'm sure the traders too, while you're just, how do you, you just don't know how to navigate this stuff.

They do a really good, great job at making it feel real. You know, but, yeah, she, um, she's great. I mean, I think there's just, there's a lot of conversations missing. You know, I wouldn't say what you're seeing is that, that's her whole game.

Of course.

Every show ever, I mean, even the ones were huge fans of Survivor

and everything, like, they're just filming so much and has to get cut down, even though I say, I would watch four hours of the show. Like, I would watch, I would just watch surveillance footage. You know, the entire castle.

It's funny, like, because Alan to Alan did a interview about the banquet, and like, I told you guys, I'm like, oh, there's a bit halfway through. Like, the banquet was great episode. It was fantastic.

But like, when you were there, it was way more intense. Like, like, like, there was so many other theories. Like, what did they say that we shared? It was the turkey, which we knew it wasn't. Right.

It was me, guys. She's been serving, you keep like cutting the meat. Plus she even just being a gentleman. The cars on the table. You kept saying, you were like, it's not the turkey.

We're all eating the turkey. Yeah. We could, we were, we'd called Territ, turkey, Territ. Yeah. So that, you know, and then the cards was interesting.

But I said, dude, they should just make everyone's mics live, throw up the wide camera, and play the whole thing. Yeah. As a bonus footage. Yeah.

I love that. Me too. It was, like, we were exhausted by the end of it. We were just like, oh, it went on, it went on, and I'm sure. And on, it went on.

Especially if, also, like, I'd imagine the argument over who gets the anecdote goes for way longer. You're going to fight for that for quite some time, then they make it shorter.

“What was it like having Jam Jam yell out as he was kind of, like, being dragged?”

I don't remember. I loved it. I loved it.

Because kind of the first time we've seen that happen, where they're like, it's this

person. It raises the stake, right? I've seen, I've seen, I'm conflicting opinions about this online, like, some more, like, I don't think that's fair that he got to yell out after he's been murdered. Right.

They hadn't been murdered. He'd been cursed. That was the whole point of the executioner, or, you know, henchmen, whatever. Now, imagine this, imagine they'd dragged him out, and he was like, it's Stephen, right? Then it would have, everyone would have been like, looking at Stephen, or if he was like,

it's Mark, guys, it's Mark. What people don't, I don't think I understand is that he had the right player, he got it with this stuff. He had the wrong reason. If he had called out a different player, everyone would have probably been like,

because it's a witch hunt, right, you know, so-- This is what I was saying. I was saying this because everyone was like, he shouldn't be able to yell out. I'm like, he didn't know what I loved it. He didn't know for sure it was Lisa.

It's not like he was another traitor who was told it's Lisa.

“He was just calling it out, because that's what he thought.”

He could have called out any name. It just happened to be the one that was created. Exactly. So it's like, it really doesn't matter that he was allowed to call out a name. He could have said anybody.

That's what I love, kind of, about this new element. They're like, public execution style where everyone has to watch. It's like, yeah, you can say whatever you want. You might be wrong, but you also might be right. Like, Eric.

Yeah, he just, oh, my boy, Eric, the man with the magic. No, the man with the magic. The best, the best, and the guys, the writing goes-- The best was the handwriting. The best was like, I know this handwriting.

It's Johnny. So what was the best if you look at Johnny's handwriting on his tablet? It's gorgeous. Yeah, you know. Right.

Look, he got that handwriting. I was like, that's definitely not Johnny's handwriting. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Like, this is not Johnny's handwriting.

Yeah. Literally. Like, a tonler wrote it. Yeah. That's Rob's handwriting.

Yeah. Yeah. No, it really was so funny. I mean, we're so obsessed with the show, there's so much to talk about. My last question I want to ask, though, is taking it back a little bit, is because the

beginning of the season so much was around like a wrap pour, and he's a big personality the whole thing. Yeah. Did it get to a point? Because it felt like this watching, wherever it was like, you know what?

Not even really sheriff. He's a faithful or a traitor. He's just got to go. I mean, yeah, like the consensus was, he's either a bad faithful or like some wickedly genius, weird traitor or like, like, it was Rob's see who said like, he's either like

the triple bluffing math calculator or like the worst faithful ever. Right. Right. So, you know, it was a lot. Yeah.

It was a lot.

“Which is why I think, at a certain point, you're like, you know, what?”

Because you know, it's like another thing that I love about the show is that people don't get, it's not just the faithfuls working together. The faithfuls are trying to create relationships, the best they can, and gather the information they can't. But the faithfuls kind of have to eat each other alive to get there.

That's kind of the part of the game, you know what I mean? So, there's going to be casualties along the way, like, look, there's also an element of luck.

Like, I was up for murder the first night.

Right. And I was in the nine. And then when I watched it back, I was on the short list. And because Donna had shortlisted Rob, I had a one and three chance of going home.

Like, Ian going home. That's just, it's luck. Yeah.

So, there are all these different variants of why it works, but yeah, like at some point,

if it feels like it's not helping, like, yeah, it's got, you got to cut it loose.

“Who were you most disappointed when early, like, left early?”

Uh, I mean, I was pretty, pretty fucking upset that Steven went. Yeah. We needed him. He was, Steven played well, like, they didn't show as much as that alliance, you know? But, um, we're trying to think who else was kind of like a big bummer.

Like, seeing Rob seagull. Yeah. And that sucked. Yeah. Really, really sucked as well.

Because he would have been, I think he would have been pretty on it. Yeah. He would have been, like, made sense. He, they, they killed him. Because I feel like he was really good, right?

Like, he'd be seen survivor players, go the distance with, as faithfuls. I don't think so.

Not really, because I feel like the normally end up being famous.

I think, I think Rob seagull had a target. Yeah. And, um, I seen on his, um, interviews, he felt like Jam Jam had kind of put one on him, so it's really hard once you have that target to, like, because there's unanswered questions, right?

Yeah.

“Like, if you're almost too good, too, like, when he was, when he was like, I think”

there's a murder, a murder tonight in plain sight. And everyone was like, oh my, it's week two out of this guy. No, it's already. Well, it's funny that in that moment, they didn't show it. They kind of showed it, but they didn't, like, I was in that room when it happened.

And Candace had just poured a bowl of skittles and was sharing them with me. So then I got, I went into full bodies, and I was like, I just got poisoned by fucking skittles. I was like, you could see it, like my face goes like, the end Candace, like, these are regular skittles.

And I was just looking at her, like, I ran into the bar and I told, like, my alliance at the time, it was Eric, I have these, in my notes, and they put it in the, and then I think it was like, Candace, uh, Kristen, Eric, Natalie, I told, I'm like, if I don't come back tomorrow, it's Candace, so she's poison me with that skittles. And that didn't go in because it skittles, it's just, like, that was like when I can

see a drink, the chasm, you were like, oh, you just can't, but in a moment, it's like you, you just don't remember. Like, I'm having some skittles. Yeah, you just don't. I can't.

I can't share with anybody. Like, even Kristen was my number one, my number one, and at the banquet, she poured me a drink, and I didn't drink it. That was like, but I told her, like, I was like, hey, that drink you poured about it, I just didn't drink it.

I would have just sat there, I would have, like, I don't, I would have been afraid to touch the food. Yeah. I don't know. But with Candace, like, when Rob see, um, kind of brought that up, again, this is where

luck plays into it, right? Rob and Lisa took Rob's, yeah, she got lucky. Yeah, she wasn't even a part of that. Yeah. Like, yeah, if they hadn't had done that, you know, right, what, who knows, what, what,

what would have happened? I want to reiterate that the Congoline was not random, that had been discussed a lot. Like, it wasn't like, we're gonna get out of the way. Because it seems so, which makes it funny, or to be like, ran the Congoline, it's hilarious, hilarious TV.

Yeah. Now can you tease a little bit about the reunion? We saw that you guys filmed the reunion.

“We think that maybe housewife Lisa came out, what can you tease?”

Um, I mean, it's a reunion, like, I'm new to this. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The Andy Cohen reunion.

Yeah, like, I came to, I did, the whole point of doing this show was I wanted to try something new. I love these shows. I wanted to make some new friends have a good time in the castle. It's not personal, we're playing a game called Traders.

You're gonna get banished, murdered, or win. We all know that. We all signed up for that. Yep. Not everyone's gonna win.

Not everyone's gonna win. Most willows. Most willows, right? So, you know, the reunion was interesting for me, like, you know, when we were out there talking some of the game, game stuff, I quickly realized I was like, oh, we're not talking

about the game. So I just kind of, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's where the housewife's territory right there. But it must be fun to kind of shift, because you know, just finishing a massive dance with the star season.

Yeah. That was so talked about. And then you get to be on Traders where this is now so talked about, which is, which is so different, and it's, but it's so exciting because while this is all going on too, like, Whitney's on Broadway, which is, I just want to leave her bald.

How was she? I want to go see somebody. I want to go see somebody. I want to go. I want to go.

I'm seeing all the videos, and it's so, you're not supposed to film, and the etiquette has gone to Traders. Yeah. And part of me is like, you know what, this isn't knowing. They're not supposed to film, but the other part of me is like, she looks so good up

there. Yeah, I say this too. It's like a concert, right? Yeah.

And like, when people post clips, like, it never hits as hard than when you're there.

Like, go see the show. Go see it. Oh, I mean, what we went to dancing with the stars live on Sunday and there were somebody setting two rows of front of us who recorded the entire show.

The entire year should be in the entire time.

“I'm like, it's not like I get it, like film a couple things for your memories.”

Oh, yeah, I take a quick thing, and then I put my phone down, but why do you, you're

never going to watch it back?

The audio is like this. Yeah, I don't want you back. Right. And it's also, and I fell back, because it was an older woman, so it wasn't exactly like she was a cinematographer.

I like it. Did you enjoy it? It wasn't zoomed in. Oh, the show's sometimes it was really fantastic. It's so much fun to watch them all, like in their element.

I saw, there's a bit where Haley Bills and Ezra put the, and the other day, it was Rob, right? Yeah, we were there when we were there, and Ezra said, Ezra, messaged me as Eddie, did that for us. You know what?

Honestly, I appreciate that. It was probably for the whole day. But we screened. Yeah, we were like, oh my God. Yes.

I sent it to Rob. I was like, how's those rhinestone overalls? Yeah. Yeah, seriously. Do you think he would do it?

I mean, I would love to see him. Yeah. It would be great. You know, I saw. It's fun.

Now people are tagging me in these videos of him from, like, I guess back in the day. No, no. No, no. He's like TikTok before. Oh, when he was saying, yeah.

And I'm like, whoa. I was like, bro, explain yourself. No. I was like, no, no. This is old.

I was like, no dude. I've seen way worse. Yeah. We can work with that. I see potential.

I see potential.

“You know, how are you feeling about, like, another season dance with the stars?”

Is something you want to do? I mean, yeah. Yeah. I'm open to it. You know, like, you know, there's this whole narrative of, like, I've talked about this

before, like, um, you know, I only come back for this thing. Yeah. But I had a lot of injuries that I was dealing with. I've talked about this before. Yeah.

Get into all that. But like, um, I've been really diligent about keeping them on track. Mainly so that when my son wants to play ball, I go out and do stuff. Yeah. I can chase him around and do stuff.

But like, you know, we get banged up on that show. Yeah. And I've done 21 seasons now. Like, yeah. It's a lot.

It's a lot of work. But he's got to be hurting. Yeah. But I've been really diligent about all the right things, feeling better. It'll never be perfect.

Yeah.

They'll always be things.

You know, I'm 40 this year. You know? So, you know, I started doing the show when I was 21. You know. Wow.

So I, um, but I'm open to it. Yeah. I'm up to it. I had a blast last season. I had a blast.

And the world just keeps exploding. Everybody wants to do more stuff. I mean, we're getting dance with the stars. Come on. There's a rumor.

There you go. Yeah. We should do a panel. Yeah. That's what we said.

But, we're a story. We're talking about it. Yeah. Yeah. We're trying to cover us last time.

Oh yeah. It might be in the works. Awesome. Awesome. And like, the world's just exploding.

So there's so much hope you stay involved in as much as you want to. We do have to wrap up.

“But I do want to give you, you know, what, what do you got coming up?”

Anything that you're working on? You want people to know about. There's a couple things to the pipe. Like, then I'm not ready to announce. Okay.

Okay. Stay tuned. Like, you know, finish the season. Finish the season. The traders.

It's great. You know, go support dancing with stars on tour. Yeah. Get ready for the next season. I'm sure it's going to be great.

I just love seeing between traders and dancing with the stars. Just sees new fan bases get into it. Yeah. At the end of the day, it's meant to bring you joy, happiness. Bonding with your family and your friends and stuff.

And it seems like it's doing that for the most part. So. I guess it's also something to talk about. Really does. Yeah.

Thank you so much. All right. That wraps up today's episode of "Chicks in the Office." Thank you so much for watching. And listening.

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