Ancient Coins, Julius Caesar & the Overlooked Side of Collecting | Dean Kinzer

something that old and to know what it's gone through, it's kind of an enlightening

“experience that I feel like there's a holy shh moment.”

Welcome to The Collector Nation podcast here on The Collector Nation Network. Whether you're chasing Grails or calling Bluffs, you take you inside the hobby. Here's your host. Ryan Allford. When people think of collectibles, they usually think modern sneakers, modern cards, and memorabilia. I know I did. Some of the most collectible objects in the world are thousands of years old. Today's guest works with ancient coins that aren't just

rare. They're historical artifacts tied to empires, rulers, and moments that shaped

civilization. The incinsor is the founder and president of kinds of coins and a leading

voice in making ancient coin collecting accessible to modern collectors. And he's even an

“avid baseball card collector. We'll talk about all that. We're talking about what makes”

ancient coins collectible, how provenance and story drive value, and why this corner of the hobby might be the one most overlooked. Welcome to The Collector Nation. Thanks. Thank you so much for having me on. I really appreciate it. Big fan. Big fan. I like it, man. I'm going to get the cat out of the bag early. I have not been a coin collector. In my life, I've appreciated them at times. I've earned my dad occasionally having like a buffalo

nickel or something in a coin jar or like things that he had. But that's about where it ended. And then a little package showed up from Dean. And I got a way to say, these are very collectible. It's a beautiful case, which we'll talk about, but yeah, man. Excited to talk about what you're doing, and it became crystal clear. Yeah. Well, I started out. My dad was probably the biggest influence on me in collecting. I would say that he was eclectic at best, probably the

world's largest organized hoarder and he collected all kinds of weird things. I always mentioned

this because people always get a kick out of it. He collected cars, but not the cars that you would think of. He liked oddball stuff. So he had fiats and sobs. He had 13 Eugos. Literally 13 Eugos. And one Eugos convertible. The one Eugos convertible that made it across the pond into the United States. That's, he was a very experienced collector. So that reached out to baseball cards, football cards, coins, all of that kind of stuff. And he was an avid dealer of baseball cards and coins for a

long time, as long as I grew up and be it before that certainly. And those used to, back then, those two were kind of married together. Coins and cards. The shows used to be a little, they would be both. And so it wouldn't be totally unique to go to a baseball card show and pick out some coins vice versa. And that's really kind of how I started the collecting side. I spent my teenage years or, you know, young adult years, very interested in baseball cards.

As my dad got older, he started to get sick. And then we have this large store of 13 Eugos and baseball cards by the 5,000 card box and all kinds of stuff that we had to kind of parcel out. And one of the things that really struck me was he had a collection of ancient coins. He was a very spiritual Christian person. Most of them were tied to his religion. So he had shackles of tire, which are directly mentioned in the Bible. Widows mights. You've got one of those.

You know, and then tribute pennies, which is a coin that's mentioned in the Bible, rent, rent or under Caesar, what is Caesar? And so as I'm going through his kind of collection, I was like, boy, this is really hard to say. Is this something that people collect in large? And I started doing some research. And I couldn't part with them. It didn't make sense to me. It was easier to part with the other stuff than it was with the ancient coins and they stuck with

me. And so I just kind of started running into that community and starting to be starting to learn and I didn't know a lot about ancient history. And so I started picking and up, started learning meat with groups and all kinds of stuff. And I'm just blown away by it. I mean, it is really one of the most unique collectibles that I have ever run into. And it's probably the most satisfying

“in all of my experience. And that's why I like to talk about it. Dane, not only do I think about”

the collectability when I open the package, I, it dawned on me a few things. How old in the history

I've never been, I look, I mean, I was having interested in history. I'm kind of a guy that

didn't have review mirrors. Like, I kind of don't like to look back, you know, like, like, it's kind of like my mantra in life. And that, but that is, I mean, we shouldn't study history. I'm just saying like, but I am kind of a forward facing. But then I was like, this is really fascinating. And then the little cards that came with it, and I'll do justice by Tommy. I'm just going right in. It was the sweetest part of this being so nice to send us these, um, and I'm holding

“them up. So you need to be watching the YouTube. But seeing how old they were, it made me go, okay,”

this is an accessible way to own a pizza history. Because, you know, like, I mean, I don't know,

but I do know like a work of art or a, you know, a gold statue, like stuff like that that has like

millions of dollars, hundreds of thousands or whatever. And I'm no coins can get up there too, by the way. I'm sure we'll talk about that. Yeah, sure. But it felt like an accessible way to own a piece of history and a really cool way to learn about it. Absolutely. So what you're holding in your hand are three, what I would call common card or coins, um, that are very collectible. Um, I would say that all three of those are about $50 each. Okay. Um, and we're literally you're holding in your hand,

constantly in the great, uh, who legalized Christianity, uh, who strengthened the Roman Empire and probably caused it to be around another 150 years after him, um, a widow's might from the Bible, which, you know, is where the widow dedicated all of the money she had, which was two of those, as opposed to the rich person who turned in his silver, but only a small portion of his wealth.

And the third one is at bronze from Alexander the Great, history's most important guy,

the guy who conquered the known world. Um, and each one of those are very affordable. I would say that, uh, they're probably in good condition, uh, you know, or better condition than you might expect given, uh, or at least the Constantine, uh, the Great might be better than you expect. Yeah. Uh, and just, you know, that's an entry level point, uh, that tells a huge story that you can add to a great thing about the Roman Empire was they changed, uh, um, emperors like they changed

to underwear. So you could collect a lot of emperors, right? You could say every emperor from 300 to 480 and collect 30 or 40 of those emperors, right? You know, there's, there's a lot of collectability in there, and they're, they're fantastic. Yeah, I was looking, I mean, just, just so one knows, 40 BC. If I'm reading that correct. This is it, uh, all right, it took, it put a whole new, uh,

“spit on vintage. That's baseball cards. I think 70, 60s now are kind of universally vintage.”

That is 40 BC. I don't know, when does vintage start in coins? Well, I mean, I, I went to a lot of antique shops. I still go to antique shops all the time, but it has a new meaning now that I have, ancient coins, antique is not really antique. It's just a few years old. Yeah, that's antique. I know. And so they're in these cases, MGC cases. What do these cases, like, you know, a lot of our listeners are card collectors, your card collector, you know, comparable to those, like grading

authenticity. What are these cases doing for the cards? I mean, I see the names and things, but what is this, an authentication case is a grading case. So, the, uh, it's a grading case. Uh, NGC is, uh, Nubin's Vatican guarantee corporation. Um, they've been around for a long time. Uh, had been working in coins. They are really the primary, uh, greater when it comes to ancients. There's not, uh, really any competition in that. Uh, but they use a pretty understandable

grading scale, one through five, uh, and almost baseball card-esque grades. Yep. Um, and so they, they have probably, uh, a handful of some of the smartest people, uh, in ancient coins in the world. And they go through and look at and identify and validate, uh, what they believe to be authentic, and then put in the slab. They do not guarantee authenticity, but we trust we know because we have experience that this is a good way to collect those coins, especially if, uh, you have concerns about

buying something that might be counterfeit. How much, uh, just, again, education here, how much does

“this kind of grading cost on the coin? I think if you went, uh, directly, uh, to NGC, just as an average”

guy, I think it's like 70 bucks. I think there, there might be less if you, if you, if you reduce,

half of that, right? Um, so it's sort of affordable way to put a coin in the slab. I don't know what,

uh, baseball cards are, like, for grading, how much that costs? Uh, 25 to thousands. Like, well, the value of the card and the speed with which you want it. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, so that's, that's kind of what it comes down to. Um, so it sounds like fairly comparable. This is, um, it's fascinating to me, you know, how, I mean, you, you said, you know, a 50 bucks each, but from 330, almost at their worth, there's like coins worth more than that. They're like,

what, 50, 60, 75 years old, like, what determines the value of these things? Well, and, you know, the, the, the interesting thing about American coins is you know the exact vintage, right? That's all documented and, uh, understood a lot less understandable, uh, in ancient times, uh, they didn't

“keep as detailed the records. Uh, but to me, again, yeah, I think you and I have kind of the same thought”

process around it. If an American coin from 1804 is worth $10 million, why is an annoying

with Julius Caesar's face on it, which there are, um, worth $10 million. And that's part of the reason, because I know collectibles. I know how expensive they can get based on rarity and demand, and I feel like these coins are, uh, a valuable, uh, collectible. Yeah. Is it? How many of these are there? I mean, are there just, are there just more than I realize of these like, like, widows might? Oh, yeah. So, like, uh, the widows might, uh, you know, is a common coin in the, to the tunes

of, uh, a lot of, I mean, there's, there's probably hundreds of thousands of them. Okay. There's a lot

of them. Yeah. Um, and so, you know, uh, it's not impossible to think that as many people have wanted

“one could have one. All right. Uh, yeah. And so, it's, it's not so scarce. And that's why they're”

relatively affordable. Okay. Is that the text of all three of these fairly much? Are they all sort of like, uh, I would say, hundreds of thousands of each? Yeah, I would say, press that many back in that day. That seems like I'd impressive, like, you know, minting back in the day. It's, I mean, they had, I mean, they had the actual mentors and then slaves, right? And so that would probably help get a lot of the work done, you know, when you weren't necessarily interested in doing it.

Yeah. Uh, but yeah. No, I mean, they minted bronze coins like it was going out of style. I mean, there are bulk coins that you can buy in bronze. You could buy ungraded, unidentified, uh, ancient coins that you can, you know, clean up and take a look at. Um, so there, there is a lot of bronze, ancient coins. And there's a lot of silver. Um, so at, for my people mind, walk me through

“how old the oldest coin I'm holding is. How many thousand? How many year, how old is it from now?”

So Alexander the Great, you have a bronze of his coin. Uh, so he moved from 336 BC to 323 BC. So that would be what? 20, 24 hundred years ago? Two, I have to, I wanted you to say it out loud, Dean, because like I want our audience to sort of take a pause. You're listening to a podcast. This is long form. We've got your attention, hopefully. You know, I was going to short video. I want you to think about, like, literally,

two thousand four hundred plus years ago. It's hard for me, you know, and I think about, okay, I'm 48. Uh, okay, I'm 24 hundred years ago. I mean, unbelievable. I want to think we're so sophisticated. We're doing these things. And we are in technology's crazy. And AI is great. But they were meant in some coins. 24 hundred years ago. The Greeks, um, you know, obviously people will know a lot about ancient Greece or know something about ancient Greece.

It's some of the artwork. It was, you know, masterful and beautiful. Well, they, that translated onto coins. Yeah. I'm some of the, the coins from ancient Greece from as far back as 600 BC and newer, our artistic and beautiful. Um, they have faces of emperors, faces of kings, faces of animals, faces of gods. They're, they're absolutely works of art. Uh, and to me, just absolutely beautiful. And a lot of times, I think people think that we come from a point in the world where everything

before us was less, that, that people, the technology, the understanding of the world, the management of things like this was less. But actually, if you look at ancient coins from beginning to modern,

are beautiful, ancient Persia. Um, but as you go into the late Roman period and into the dark ages

and, and medieval times, they're just little flat and pieces of silver with very little detail and very little artistry to them. So it's almost like you go from a very fantastic, uh, you know, kind of manufacturing point to a really not good one to back to where we are now. It's kind of a lesson in how the world has worked over time. It's fascinating to me and how, you know, things like you just said, the story is the rulers and historical moments, uh, matter,

more than just condition and scarcity, you know, and, you know, and, I mean, values and

other things and, but it's, and the amount of history involved in some of these things that went

into what created, you know, the value system at the time, the rulers at the time, the structure

“of time. And, you know, we put this, you know, and I always remember, you know, my references”

baseball cards, you know, and it's a sport or football cards, you know, like trading cards, sport trading cards. And it matters, but not quite as great as the history of the moment in the time in on earth as these. And so it's obviously, to me, that's my, I mean, here everybody does and has more interest, but it goes, it's almost validated some of my

unbelief, which is just, you know, sporting and past time stuff holds a special place in our heart.

Yeah, you know, absolute interest. Yeah. Well, I will tell you that you, you can be a sports fan in an ancient coin collector as well, because there's a lot of sports themes, the ancient Greeks were very serious about their, their Olympics in their athletes. I actually brought this out.

“It's not going to come out very well. But do you see what's on there? This is brutal.”

Yes, that looks like that wrestlers. Yes, it is. So that's from 400 or the fourth century BC, 300 species from a city state in Greek or in Greece, where they were so proud of their Olympic wrestlers or their wrestlers that they put them on all of their coins. On the reverse side, their other athletes were slingers. And so they were so proud of, they have both sides of their coin dedicated to sport. There are, I don't know, I can't think of the name, and I'm really just

pointing myself. Ancient Romans and ancient Greeks used a certain type of boxing glove that was actually a lead bar over their knuckles, and then they covered that, and I can't think of the name of it. But there are coins with that on there. So you can actually hold the piece of boxing history from 2,300 years ago, that is a ancestor of what we watch now in fighting. So if you like sports, or if you like music, there's music instruments, like a kithuro, which is a predecessor to the

guitar. There are a lot of different avenues in ancient coins that you can collect and have interest in, even sport. It was Russell Crowe. I was the gladiator. Russell Crowe was the gladiator. One of them. So he was, he was a meet-up character, but you can actually get a coin of Marcus Aurelius, Communists, and theasters. Very affordable. I enjoy this. I know it's a glamorized for Hollywood and everything, but there is some brutality to all of it. I'm sure it was probably

“less sophisticated than maybe, but is it to the death, or are we just rustling for a pin?”

Yeah, that's a whole other interesting area of kind of. But yeah, for sure, there are gladiators that there's a whole story behind that there, I would consider, I think it's glamorized to make it seem like they fought to the death every time. You think of them like prize fighters, right? I mean, if you're most expensive, most talented guy got killed in the ring, you'd be pretty upset, right? And so would, you know, people who follow him. So less often than not did somebody die in

the arena, because they didn't want to lose their investment, or maybe if the emperor said, hey, you know, let's end it, then he probably would. All right. How are you with Dean Kinser? He's the founder of Kinser Coins. Let's talk providence, authenticity, trust, how do we and how our is trust built with collectors in this space? Well, I think in my personal opinion, the slabs help out a lot,

authenticity. So I feel good about that. I actually know a handful of the graders. They're very

talented, very smart guys. Ancient coin collecting has been around since ancient times. Augustus was an ancient coin collector, but also what's John Quincy Adams was an ancient coin collector. You can get you can get coins from his collections if you, if you get lucky at the right time. And so there's enough history to understand what was minted, how it was minted. And so a person can look at these coins and say, this is authentic, this is from the time, this represents the kind of imagery that they

have. And the method, you know, the hammering, the strike, the silver, the content, further assist that

in its validation. So there is a strong trust in the authenticity of these coins. The key is buying

them from the right person. So as a dealer, I believe so much in the authenticity of my coins that at any point, you buy it for me six months, sell it to the next guy. I guarantee authenticity

“all the way through. So until the coin, until I pass away, that's how serious I am about what I”

believe. And really good dealers will do that. People that don't necessarily do that, I would caution or stay away from. But this, this level of understanding about ancient coins has been going on. They've been collecting them in Europe since the Middle Ages and before, there's records of that. So very, very well understood, very well documented, hobby that is prone to fakes, right? It's the first coin that was minted. It was probably the next day that the first counterfeit

was minted and trying to copy that score of wealth. And so there's always been counterfitting.

You can actually collect counterfeit coins from the era, contemporary for it. That's where they're all done. Yeah, so they'll be like, they'll look silver, but they'll have something different on the inside and you can kind of peel them apart and see. So you can collect contemporary forjuries. And then obviously, they still mint forjuries and people outside of what they're supposed to be doing. But a great way to protect yourself against that kind of stuff is learn, connect to a community

and talk to dealers who are protect their product all the way through its lifespan. Provenants, you mentioned I didn't add that in. A lot of these coins have Provenants

“is back into the 1800s, a lot of the ownership is tied to that. And I think JP Morgan”

was also a collector of ancient coins. His collection, I think, is in a number of libraries and museums and stuff. But that's the kind of person, that's the kind of person that was interested in those at those times. So every time it went to auction, it was documented. So you can, you can have coins that have Provenants's way back into the 1800s documented or into the 1900s where there's actual photos of the coins being sold at auction. So there, Provenants adds a lot. And a lot of times,

the person that owned it are as interesting as the coin itself. I just sold a Marcus Aurelius to somebody who was, it was, Provenants was owned by a gentleman who worked on the redistribution of German property and material after World War II. He was a judge. So he was kind of dipping up Nazi stuff that they had taken. So this guy was an ancient coin collector too. And so his

“Provenants is really neat because that's an important person in history beyond just the coin itself.”

That's interesting. I mean, it makes, well, so talk about selling that coin. If you don't mind sharing, Dean, like what's your favorite coin or most valuable coin? Well, that's a price. No, it's, it's pretty run in the mill. So if you give me one minute, I'll talk you through the story. All right, let's do it. So Romans took their coinage really from the Carthaginians and the Greeks. They took their designs and all that kind of stuff. One of the things the Romans

were very anti was anti king. They had kings at the beginning of their beginning of their existence in 753 BC on to about 500. And they threw them out. They were done with them. They would not have kings. And so they kind of adopted early on that they would not put a live human person on the front

reverse is generally dedicated to whatever kind of propaganda they have or we're winning or whatever.

But the others never had a human being on it that was a live person because they felt like that

was a representation that belonged to the gods. Fast forward, lots of stuff transpire. We get to a gentleman that we all know by the name of Julius Caesar. Julius Caesar crosses the Rubicon, enters Rome, defeats a bunch of his enemies all across the Mediterranean. Comes back, 45 BC, towards the end of 45 BC and into 44 BC, he begins minting coins. And he has minted coins in the past. They've had elephants on the obverse, they've had gods, Venus, all these kinds of people on the coins.

But he decides to put his face on the coin and not only that, along with his face on the coin,

he puts an inscription. He was made dictator for life by the Senate. So you have a face of Julius Caesar

“surrounded by the words dictator for life. So what do you think that meant to people who were Romans?”

This guy's represented himself as a god. This guy is thinking that he's above the Republic. And a lot of people feel like doing that is a leading array part of a reason why he got killed. And there's even articles about the coins that killed Caesar. So I love personally any portrait of Julius Caesar because that's a definitive marking point in history. Because after that, all of the emperors had their face on coinage, all of them. So that all of the emperors followed his suit.

And that really changed the dynamic of coinage, right? After that, everybody did it.

And that was very common practice. So a big demarcation, a coin that's very important. But also, I would say, still pretty affordable, still pretty affordable for what it is. I mean, you're in the thousands and then nice ones go way up from that. But I can think of a handful of cards off the top of my head that are in that price range.

“And I kind of weigh it out in my head, which is more important, which means more to me.”

So that's kind of the takeaway from that. But that's definitely my favorite coin. That's a good story. And for some reason, I was thinking a few as a dictator of life. All the other emperors have no clothes. I don't know why. I was like, has the sink. I don't know why not eat it in my head. But nonetheless, I'll put their heads. That's right. Until it was his turn. Unfortunately, the dictator for life. I don't know if

I don't go over these days. No, not well. No way. You know, what's your priority? Dean, I mean, in the industry. You know, obviously, you're collecting and you're selling and you're doing these things. What becomes a tipping point for coins? I mean, obviously, hey, coming on a collector nation, we're getting the word out, baby. But that's a good start. But in all seriousness, like, what do you think unlocks that? Is it just

another mega star getting into it and Logan Paul deciding he's interested? Or is that I mean, on that of that hurts? But what is that tipping point? I am trying, I mean, I've tried a bunch of different ways, right? I don't know if you saw, but my friend was on Sean Ryan's podcast. He gave coins to Sean Ryan. So I feel like I've done some navigating through. I think it'll be a combination of things. But I think that this is a thing that people need to pay attention to. Ancient history

is not really a subject that's really well-covered in American schools. It leaves a lot of kind of blanks thinking that we, you know, our history starts at 1776 and that there's not a lot that can be gained besides that. And I feel like there is so much that you can learn. These coins were minted by people 2,000 years ago and you're being able, you're getting to read their message. They're telling you something.

“They're telling you why you should look at them, why it's important, why you should know about them.”

Those are important messages. And they've experienced, they experience over time a lot of the trials and tribulations that we still experience today. And I think a lot can be learned from that. And I cannot imagine, you know, I mean, I can't go to the Coliseum in Rome and ship off a piece of it and bring it back and say, "Hey, I got this piece of the Coliseum." But you can buy a coin.

you know, when people like our huge fans of Marcus Raleighus, there's a stoicism as a big thing, you know, and people care very much about that. But a lot of times people will buy a coin from me, we'll put it in a pendant so it doesn't get damaged, they'll wear it. And you can't imagine the number of questions and interest people get, we're like, "What is that? Is that Marcus Raleighus?" Yeah, this is a coin from his lifetime. And think about the stories you can share with people about that.

“That's what I mean, that's true. That's true. That's true. You're putting these coins into jewelry.”

That could possibly be something that unlocks it a little bit, because I mean, how cool would that be? I mean, I mean, I mean, think about some of these pieces, you know, like, you sent me like, if you had a necklace or something, with, I mean, you know, and literally can point to it, because people buy jewelry that's, you know, this crap for $450 bucks. I mean, you get a, you know, you get a $2, you know, like, played a chain or something and put it in one of these 50 B.C. widows, Mike.

Yeah, it's a powerful story, right? Yeah. I love it. Absolutely. Yeah. So I know you do the ancient coin

hour talk about that. So just kind of my overall package is really, you know, teaching people, right, because I think that's the biggest barrier for people is anxiety. They don't know anything about it. They're not well-versed in the Roman Empire, so they don't know a lot of these emperors. All of my, you know, social media, all of my effort is towards the education of people, of people, towards these. So you can understand and see how it relates to today. Yeah. Yeah.

The ancient coin hour is just up a podcast with me and my friend. He's actually a numismatist slash opera singer. He's actually going to get ready for doing that. It's named

Shosh Benavento. But we basically both him and I have worked in this area for a long time. We know

kind of the people, the people you can trust, the people you can buy from. And what we look for, what we understand about the hobby and where it's going. So it's, it's purely educational. We don't sponsor it. We don't do any of that kind of stuff. It's just two ancient coin guys talking about what we think is safe, what we think is a good place for people to start collecting. And we try to encourage people to participate so we can help them along their journey. And that's

really the whole mission. I love it. Talk to me as we close out here, Dean. If someone's wanting to get started in coin collecting, what's something palatable like a good way to start? And, you know, obviously education, we'll tell him the goal is to listen to the ancient coin hour for that. And

“follow Dean and everything he's doing. But how does someone sort of test the waters here?”

Well, so in my page specifically, I'm not advocating that you just buy from me, but in my page, specifically, I have a collection called "I'm New to Ancient." And it's really kind of what I sent you, which are kind of the entry points, right? You know, after you do a little bit of reading and a little bit of research, grab a Constantine LRP that's 40 bucks in a slab. And see what

you think of it? See if it's something that's powerful to you. Late Roman bronzes, there's a ton of

those. It's not a huge expenditure. It's not a huge risk. It's not buying a $5,000 coin in hoping. It's a fairly common coin that's very affordable in a case that you feel like makes you very secure about the purchase, which I totally agree with. So late Roman bronzes are very affordable,

“very interesting. There's a ton of really affordable coins that I think people would get a great”

kick out of. But yeah, so, you know, look up Constantine the great, look up Julie in the second, look up some of the emperors from the third century or the fourth century, very affordable. And even ones that we talked about earlier, like Comedus is a affordable emperor, mostly because his name comes from Commode or whatever. But yeah, very affordable. And reach out, become a part of the community, right? There's tons of groups, there's tons of clubs,

just like with baseball cards. And we certainly welcome new members because we think this is a very important hobby. And joy this Dean, maybe drop the locations for where they can find everything, find you online, etc. So, I'm also Samedia. I'm @Kinsercoins. I do spend, I post probably one to three times a day, some kind of educational content. So, you can learn a little bit. The ancient coin

the specifics for NGC grading. All kinds of information to make you feel more comfortable about

“making that that plunge. But I really think it's worth a worthwhile plunge. And I wouldn't be doing”

this if I didn't think it was. Dean, really appreciate your time and look forward to continuing our

connection, appreciate your willingness to send the coins here. We'll have pictures of these on social

and all the videos and stuff. And thank you so much. Yeah, hopefully next time or we can talk about a little bit of baseball cards. Yeah, let's do that. We'll make it a regular Dean. I enjoyed having

“you. We're all spoken and fun interview. I'm just learning some. I'm asking questions that I think”

people would have. So, we'll get people started. Thank you for coming on. You know where to find us thecollecternation.com. You find the full episode here. Links to all of Dean's stuff. And of course,

links to the app and everything. We have going on behind the scenes. If someone adds their first

“ancient coin to their collection after hearing this episode, what do you hope they look for?”

Not just on the coin, but in the story behind it, Dean. What do I have to say? Yeah, behind it. What do you hope before? Let's be like two words. Like, what are we hoping for? What's they get going? I'd probably Holy S word. If you get one, it's such a mind-blowing experience. Right? And I think to hold something that old and to know what it's gone through, how many hands it's held and held by, it's just a kind of an enlightening experience that I feel like is a holy

moment, right? You know what I mean? Yep. I love it. There you go. We'll see you next time. I'm Clayton Nation. Thanks for tuning in to the show. Be sure to follow us on your go-to podcast platform and catch the full video episode over on YouTube. Visit us at collectornation.com and follow Ryan on Instagram @RyanAlford. Now get out there and collect yours.