Charlie Puth

We're gonna fill in that blank, and by the end of this episode, you're gonna feel, I think the word's gonna be ecstatic or filled.

“And that's me uncomfortable, because it's Charlie.”

Hey there, welcome to Conan O'Brien Needs of Friend. I'm Conan O'Brien, of course, and I'm joined by Sonom Obsession, hello Sonna. Very good to be here, thanks for having me. And David Hopping was of course filling in for Matt Gorley, who's on paternity leave. Forever.

He takes fatherhood seriously, I did not. When Liza was giving birth to our first child, I left mid-contraction to go back to work. And I still haven't meant my daughter, but I'm proud to his lovely. It's very sweet, he said. No, a lot of time with his family.

“It's very nice, and that's a familial bond, which is very important, early on you've got to do it.”

But he'll return one day, until that time, there's much to talk about, so I had a nice surprise, which is I turn on the TV, the other morning, the TV's just on the background and they go, "And coming up, Sonom Obsession," and it was, was it, it's a, it's a good day. It's a good daily, it's a Fox 11 news, it's a local, yeah. People from LA know good daily, yeah, it's the thing, and I was just like, I've got to watch Fox right now.

I was just like, I've got to see my Fox. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you love a local Fox affiliate.

I love a Fox affiliate, and that's just the way I've always been.

And then I hear, we'll be right back with Sonom Obsession, and you come on, and you have a book that's coming out, Fairly soon, at your first book, which was a smash hit, World's Worst Assistant, I don't see why it was so popular, because it's just a book about truth. I got, it's about my time being your assistant, called the World's Worst Assistant, yeah, I wrote the forward, and this is the World's Worst Month. This one's called World's Worst Month, it's all about your adventures, raising your two lovely boys, aka Monsters,

um, the lovely, they're lovely, I love those times, and I'm always adorable. I love winding them up, when they come here to the office, I drop everything I'm doing, and I chase them around. Yeah. They get super hyper, so they're not going to go to sleep for six days, and then I say, got to go, and I go into a recording session.

And I always see your husband tack looking like, "If you, man, they are plutonium."

By the time I got that, you're psychotic. I chase them upstairs downstairs, they chase me, they love it, they love it. So this is you on the news, Sonoma Session, and, um, I was thinking, I, I just, I'm sorry, I had to look at that and think, look how far you've come, amazing. I grew up watching Good Daily, and then I was on it, but I also, I've never done live television, and I had to be very aware of what I talked about. Right. You've done a lot of things with me, but those are on tape, and there's time to pull things up a bit if you get salty with your language.

Because you did some time in the Navy, and you have a, you got a mouth on you, sister, right? And so, um, I was amazed at how professional you were, but almost like you took classes, what do you mean like media training classes?

Yeah, have you ever done that? Do you think I ever done that? I don't know, you have this ability, which you've always had to appear like a normal person when necessary.

You know what I mean, like you're very charming, and, uh, you're not dropping F-bombs, you're not, uh, telling ronchi stories, you are just this glowing. Well, sometimes when I was working for you as your assistant, there were times when we had to interact with like actual real people.

“Yeah. Like professional decent people. Right. And so you have to like, you have to switch it up. We can't be like, who, who, who, who, who?”

In front of like, you know, Michelle Obama or like her, like, oh, no, but she's just, yeah, but we can't do that. So it, you know, you have to be good. Yeah. And professional. Yeah. And so yesterday I was on the news. I was on the news. And I was following Manny Pacquiao, which was crazy. Yeah, he was on before me. And I, uh, and yeah, I had so much fun. And those women I was on with, one of whom is my friend,

And I don't mean to insert myself in a situation, but don't you think in a way they had you on to kind of get to the big dog.

Do you know what I mean? Like, was there anything like, oh, so you're here. Son of that's great. Is he coming?

“Oh, they think like you come with me. Yeah. And then you would just replace me. No, not replace you, but you have to look.”

It's just got to be a thing in your life where you have to be a little suspicious that people maybe you're, if someone's being nice to you, oh, it's just to get to the guy. Okay. All right. Listen, you're doing bits about this, but you're all so right. You're right. That's where it comes to me to get to you. Okay. But do you know that I'm going to get a call tomorrow from good day. I'll lay and they're going to be like, oh, I'm so nervous. Oh, I guess now you're turn. Well, yeah. Right. Well, it's kind of like you're at a feast. And there's like scraps falling. And I'm like, yeah, I get to eat.

You just liken yourself to an animal under the table. But I've always been a barnacle on your cruise ship. And I'm fine with that. And I love it. And I get to do things like go on good day.

And I'm saying I don't know what I'm going to say barnacles are necessary. They serve a function. What? I don't know what it is.

“I know they have to be scraped off religiously. But they must serve some function. No, they don't. That's the whole point. You have to scrape them off.”

Then you're barnacle. Yeah. Okay. And you know what? It's cool. I feel like I'm a con man. I have done the perfect grift. And I'm cool with it. I am perfectly happy. Well, I will say I've blown up. I mean, every time I see it's Sonna, every time I see this Sonna out in the world, I'm very impressed. You, you, you, you look great. You're very engaging. You're funny. And the thing I've always said about you is you don't change when the cameras on you.

You don't change when you're in here, being on the podcast. You don't change. I swear to God, if I made you come out with me at the top of the Oscars, you would be Sonna.

Yeah. I mean, that is a gift because most people, I know hardly anyone. You might be the, you're the most natural person in every situation. Hey, thank you. And you know a few weeks ago, I did a keynote speech at the writer's workshop in Dayton. The Irmabombic writer's workshop. I wrote a speech. And I, I remember I sent you a text because you're doing the Harvard commencement speech this year. And I was like, if you need help, I'm right here. I am a huge champion. You are a speech champion. And you bring that up a lot that you're a speech champion. I bring it up every almost every day.

Yeah. Yeah. I know a huge impact on your life. Kind of. I mean, I'm doing this for a living, which is just talking. This isn't, couldn't be a living. This is my living. This is literally my life.

“You should get paid as my assistant. Do you still get paid as my assistant? Yes. I do. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Oh, my God.”

Back in October, I had to go to a wedding. She covered me for two days. I covered him for two days. Remember? Yeah. Yeah, I doctor. That's why you pay me. Go to the hydroctor. I did your code. You went to the doctor. I just were like, well, that's right. They were watering. And then it turned out they said you're having an emotion. That's how repressed I am. I said, my eyes are watering. And they went, anything happened? Well, you know, my parents died last year. And also this sad thing happened. And they said, that's called crying.

But I do think sometimes I don't actually don't. I don't do any. That's an incredible. And this is we have just we just saw this rock. I was walking through the forest and I saw this rock. And I just lifted it up and I saw. Candle, depravity injustice. And I quickly put the rock down. But if you think we're not revisiting this rock and lifting it up again, you're sorely mistaken because this is a scandal. And I want I want Sue Lane in here. I want Sarah Fedorovic in here. I want to open the books on this thing because I think you're committing a crime.

How dare you? How dare me? The fallout from being your assistant has been that I am attached to you for the rest of your life. So for the rest of your life, you're paying me to be your assistant. I'm going to not investigate this. I'm going to get into the weeds. This is a crime. This is a crime at every level. It is. And we're going to have to figure out. I mean, yeah. I mean, unbelievable. Unbelievable.

I still get notifications when it's someone's birthday. I don't do anything with the notifications, but I get them. Oh, yeah. Did you get a notification about this Saturday? My fucking birthday.

Oh, oh, oh, oh, I mean, you don't need a notification because it's just.

It's there. Oh, yeah, it's all that. It's tattooed on my leg. No, yeah. He's really team. Okay. All right. Listen. Well, we've exposed so much crime. The rot goes deep. The rot goes deep. All right. My guest today is a singer, songwriter, whose fourth studio album whatever's clever is out now. Very excited to chat with this gentleman.

Charlie Booth. Welcome.

“Is this a first? I think after 35 years of doing this podcast for the first time, our guest, Charlie Pooth has a, has a keyboard in front of you,”

which is really cool. And maybe come mandatory for everyone. I may just say, even if a, most people won't play the keyboard, but I will insist that it be there. And that they take a few stabs at it. It kind of covers my words a little bit more. More like if I'm, if I have like a really good idea. Oh, I'm from interestpect. Okay. But me, let me ask you something. What if I start to speak and things get menacing?

Well, I'm going to switch it to the piano here. Yeah, let me play something, Charlie. Oh, I don't like you. And I don't like what you stand for.

I've never liked these musicians, these prodigies.

And I'm going to kill you. Now let's have it get happy. And then I know what you're saying. I'm off my meds. But now I'm back on my meds again, Charlie. Because now we're in C major, and you don't end up killing me.

That's good. See? I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm in it now. You're in it now. Lovely to have you here. There was so much talk about, uh, you're on fire at the moment. Um, you've got this great album out. And, uh, and I'm very excited to have you here.

“Uh, because I'm just going to talk about something first of it. It's called whatever's clever.”

First of all, this is crazy. But one of your tracks is don't meet your heroes. And yet, here you are. I've saw that. I don't know. Oh, shit.

I have to. I love, I used to be cringe. I was listening to that. I, that actually might be my favorite song on the album. It's a really good song.

Oh, you talk about how. Is that, yes? No, wait, I don't play more than six seconds of a song. But I'll let you play. I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll give the rights to you. Whatever the fuck.

Wait a minute. You just gave me the rights to a Charlie Poos song. Yeah. You idiot. And that's a verbal contract.

That's what I got.

“My new scam is going to be getting, you know, Billie Eilish in here.”

Getting Taylor Swift in here. Getting some green acarbons here. And then having them blur it out. Okay, you can have the rights. And then overnight, I've got seven yachts trapped together.

I don't know if I used to be cringe is going to give you seven yachts. But I really like it. I identify with the song. I could though mine would not be past tense. I remain cringe.

Oh, mine is in past tense. Yeah. And then I love this. One of my favorite people was Jeff Goldblum. You have a collab with Jeff Goldblum on a song called Until It Happens To You.

And I thought, oh, because I know Jeff's in musician. This is going to be Jeff playing. When you get to his part, which would normally be like rap or singing a solo part, it's him talking. And it's fantastic.

It's a great 10cc shot of pure Goldblum in the song. Yeah. He's like well boys. If I were to tell you, that kind of sounds like how I started. That's good.

That's good. Yeah. But it's a song about reacting to losing a love one. And it's kind of like a disguise and like very heavy. Yes.

Yeah. Yeah. Happy chords. But it's just like, it's about death and death. And Jeff Goldblum, like, well, he made us all cry in the studio,

because he just started speaking to his kids who weren't there. Yeah. But like speaking to us, like, we were his kids. And it felt like the end of a movie where the credits kind of slowly trickle down. Everyone's walking away.

Yeah.

I like first of all, it's Goldblum who's got the most distinctive.

I mean, he's up there with Christopher Walken and a couple of other iconic people who have such a distinctive way of speaking. And it's almost the part of the song where someone would scat. And he is kind of scatting, but it's then I realize that's just how Jeff Goldblum talks. Just let me tell you something. Yeah.

And he's doing that. And you realize that, oh, this is a version of jazz.

And it's just the way Jeff Goldblum talks.

Absolutely. It is. And I, you know, I strive to find the most melodic people on anything that I any project that I make. Yes, I'll do it. Oh, I'm sorry.

I thought that was my next question. That was an invite. I've got the rights to one song. Yeah. And now I'm going to be in another song.

This is the worst day for your career ever. It's been a lot of money. I said you were on fire. And you are. But it ends here.

I'm like negative like 26 dollars. I've got to mention, we'll talk more about the album in a second. But when I say a second, I mean towards the end of the interview. But you killed the national anthem.

“And you must be getting at the Super Bowl.”

Very hard song to sing. It is. It's a very hard song. He said being a comedian on a musician. But I've always heard the trick is.

And the rocket's red glare takes such a big leap. Who owns the national anthem? I'm sure Trump has it now. No, he bought the rights. Like six million when no one was looking.

But what? What?

I've always heard the secret is to start low.

Well, that's what I would do. I would be like, oh, say, okay. I would start down there. Well, you're doing an image. Oh, say, can use.

So then when I go up to hand the rocket's red, I can you'd have to go up from home. Oh, so actually, no, you're correct. Oh, yes. I was right.

Wasn't I? Oh, say can you see? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's not hand the rocket's red glare. Well, you have to feel so patriotic in this moment.

Well, I mean, visually, if I can represent, the reason why it's hard to sing is because like you start. You're going to start here. And then you have to go here. And then you have to actually go.

“That's up here at the middle end of at the end of the song.”

So you don't get a break. When I see someone start the national anthem too high. Oh, say I'm like, you're dead. You are dead. And I say that.

I start screaming at the TV. You're dead. Yeah. Because then you act awkwardly. Change keys.

Nobody comes to mind because everybody nails the national anthem. Obviously. But, oh, I bet you have some. No, everyone seems like. You seem like a nice guy, but you know, I know when you're ahead right now.

There are some names of people. You're all thinking of. But you're correct. When you start. It's not a specific one.

Yeah. What's that? Fergie. I'm trying to get off the exit here. When you use.

You're not. You didn't say anything Charlie. And I didn't say anything. What are you saying, Sonna? Fergie.

She famously went crazy. She went buck wild with the star-spangled banner. Did she start too high? I don't know her. I mean, I don't ask me.

I don't know. I don't know. I think this is fair Ferguson. The Duchess of York. Yes.

Fair Ferguson. Okay. Well, she had no business singing the National Anthem. No, I agree. London Bridge is a fantastic.

And again, not. It stays in a restrained range. If I'm ever asked to sing the National Anthem. And I know it hasn't happened yet. But I'm still very young in my career.

It's coming. It's coming. Thanks, Charlie. I was starting. I was starting low.

I will start low. Yeah. But you are correcting your assessment. You don't want to start like... Oh, oh, save.

Because then you have to go... I wonder how high I could start and still hit it. Oh, say, can you see? By the dawn's ruling light. What's wrong?

I'll leave you here. The matters of the team. I'm sorry. I'm not sorry, I'm not sorry. I'm not sorry.

I'm not sorry. I'm not sorry. I'm not sorry. I'm not sorry. Here we go.

I'm not sorry. I'm not sorry. I'm not sorry. - A modern day, Minnie represents. - Oh my god. - You know what you ran out of keyboard.

And I saw you pull some extra white keys out of your pocket. And I had to really drive this shit up.

You got really loud there for a second.

- Yeah, it's insane. It's insane. - But I-- - Kind of like a cross between Tiny Tim and Freddie Mercury. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah. - Yeah.

- Yeah. - It's insane. - But I-- - Kind of like a cross between Tiny Tim and Freddie Mercury. - Oh, how dare you? - Yeah. - Yeah, it was. It's a very good musical analysis. I had my testicles removed six weeks ago.

In preparation for this interview. And I'm told they might be able to reattach them. Might. If they can find them. So you don't get stuff like this in Santa Barbara. Or I live.

“You have to come to Hollywood for this shit.”

- You don't I love Charlie. There's a-- you perform a great service, which is-- I just want to make sure I get the title right. - Yeah. - Professor Pooth tick-tock series. You have this tick-tock series that I enjoy because I'm an amateur musician

And I like to try and make music with other musicians in my way. A lot of qualifiers there. I'm a musician. You're dumb playing it. Well, I love doing it. It's a big part of my like private hobby life.

But I've always been phobic about theory.

And I was phobic about math when I was a kid. And when people would bring up math, I would think I'm not smart. I can't do this and I would shut down about math. And I'm the same way when people bring up theory. I love to mess around on the guitar and then when someone says,

"Well, that's interesting. That's the relative minor." So you can take the relative minor, but remember, if you play the flat, remember there are three flats, I just black out. - I do too. You do? - Absolutely. I do. I'm not just saying that to make you feel better.

I really-- I remember there's a, you know, soul-fetched "Oremi" fossil. - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah. That is put in place, so you can know-- it's like it's built as a reference for singers. Oh, now it's a toy piano sound. - Yeah. Good job, Schroeder.

This is C's dough and then FIs F.

“But I don't need dough F, like it's an extra F for me to remember that.”

I just know it's C and F. So I would go to my teacher and be like, "I don't know how to read soul-fetched." She was like, "Well, you have to know how to read soul-fetched. You're in fucking soul-fetched class." I don't like the way this teacher talked to you.

And I was like, "If you don't know how to read it properly, you have to go to soul-fetched three, but I would hold up the piece of paper, but I can sing and play back every note." Perfectly, because I don't need the reference. I have it in my head. She says, "Doesn't matter, you have to go back to three."

So I share that with you where I would get nervous. You have this great, you know, I use the term "Oremi" story a lot on the podcast, you have this moment, you're interested in music clearly, and you know you have a facility with me. You made it clear, I'm...

[laughter] Here's a keyboard in front of you, which Al Pacino did not have. But you went to Catholic school. I did, yeah. You had a moment in Catholic school when...

Is this correct, an organist? Someone who played the organ for you guys at, you know, it a master something wasn't present. Do we have an organ sound? I don't think we do.

“But, yeah, did we get you this, or did you bring it?”

I brought it. Just because it has my initial CP on it. Very nice. It's not my piano. It's just...

Yeah. It's tiny enough for it. It's not the Superplay. Yeah, that's self-advolved that you need your name. [laughter]

I'm never saying very narcissistic.

Okay. I saw your license plate in your car when you drove this. Poof rules. [laughter] Poof's in here.

Yeah. But yes, the church organists didn't show up and they were going to play it. It was the time of a life where they would play things on tape. Yeah, I don't know if that exists anymore. But they were going to play the whole mass on tape and awkwardly pause it.

And sometimes they wouldn't pause it correctly. And I was like, "I know the whole mass from memory. I've heard the songs so many times. Because I thought it was like, if you look at a cup with a deer on it, you're going to remember what the deer looks like.

“If you, you know, have a bit that you have to memorize.”

If you read it enough, you're going to remember eventually. If you read it enough times, I thought that was the same thing for everybody just with sound. And apparently it wasn't typical. And that's how I discovered it. Yeah, that's funny that you thought, well, wait a minute.

Okay, the organist isn't here. The person was supposed to play. But how can I make this about me? Yeah. [laughter]

Well, I would do that. But then have nothing to back it up. But you thought to yourself, "I, oh, I've heard these a bunch of times, so I'll just go up and play them. And you didn't know that was unusual."

No, I didn't. Because again, I thought it was just like if you study for a vocabulary test. If you need to memorize the definition of whatever, and not the word, whatever. I know what, actually, what is the definition of any who.

You read it. You read a bunch of definitions. You're going to memorize them because you heard it so many, or read it so many times. Yeah, I attribute the same feeling with sound.

If I hear a James Taylor song 10 times, I'm going to know it right away. Right. It endlessly fascinates me. That's why I--

That fascinates me too. I love your TikToks. I really love your TikToks because, and this is where it all started, I love when you explain something that I've been hearing,

and it's around. But now you're explaining why so many songs sound like this. I remember watching one, I forget what it's called, but that whole trend in music, where there's a soft and allowed,

a soft and allowed, a soft and allowed oscillating, and it's become--

The second of the side-chain compression.

Sidechain compression, which we--

Yeah. And it's from play. Yeah, I was so cool. I'm sorry. Do you want me to do it again?

Oh, no, no. You mean what Charlie did? Charlie did. She meant what Charlie was doing, was the one you're interested in.

That's what I like. Were you trying to beatbox? No, what were you doing? I was choking on a chicken bone. Okay, that's what makes sense.

But so, no, but what you were doing was, you started explaining what that is. And I realized, I have heard that a million times. Right.

And it's always associated with a club.

Yeah. It's in like every episode of you Fourier. There's people crying, crying with a lot of makeup. And it's like, whew, whew, whew, whew, whew. Whatever you do, please, I don't want to do it again.

Like a point, point, point. Sounds like a kick, a kick. A kick, a kick. You really love it. What do you want to do?

What do you want to do? That's exactly what you're doing. Please, Charlie, I beg you. So everybody, if you went up to someone on large Monterey, now what is dance music sound like?

They would go, they would put their hands if you're new jersey. They would put their hands in the other. They'd be like, mmm, mmm, mmm, mmm. But my goal is, so everyone knows that that's like, you know, the broad terminology of like,

what dance music sounds like,

but my goal is to like take it one step further

for people for them to understand that that all that is is just volume automation. You know, like, right, that's me playing. Rising, rising, falling, rising, falling and it's just volume down.

Volume up, volume down, volume up, volume up. And then what's cool is you talk about how a lot of people would think, okay, that's in club music now. Yes, it is, but you'll say, well, they were doing it in the 70s with,

or in the 60s with this, then the 70s they, you know, Donna Summer and Donna Summer. It wasn't as obvious though. It was just more of like a way to, it was more of like a really secret engineering trick.

Right, a little spice that they're putting in and not telling anybody. And then everyone exaggerates it more and more and more. It's like in so many other things in music, you can hear something's going on in sun session records

in the 19 in 1954, 55. And it's now we can say, well, it's kind of just sounds kind of very much country, but at the time it sounded very different to people, because and then people just kept tweaking it and tweaking it

and it became, you know, I mean, everybody wants more of what they like.

So yeah, like when I first heard the blackout,

Metallica, like Sad Batrume, John, John, John, John, the, the really bright 90s, like a motorcycle, fucking metal kind of kind of sound. Then I started here, that came from,

or might have been inspired by like living on a prayer, Von Jovi, where another land record where they were experimenting with,

“but where did, what came before living on a prayer?”

I'm generalizing, like in the air tonight, Phil Collins, big Peter Gabriel, Phil Collins, gated drum sounds. Yeah, everything that you can trace, I think cool thing about music is that you can trace everything back to something.

Yes. And that's the thing that's true of my business has been comedy, and it is so important for people to know, no one's coming along with a fresh slate. Everybody is, is coming to their,

call it a craft, call it a pastime, call it a career, whatever, they're all coming to it with this gumbo that they grew up eating, you know, it was just a mix of so many other influences, and everybody's starting with that.

So you could, you know, you could say, oh my god, I like the most hardcore thrash metal, but those guys will tell you, well actually, I was listening to, you know, Oreo Speedwagon in high school,

and you'd be like, wait a minute, Oreo Speedwagon, and I'm making this up, 'cause I don't think that's possible. No, but I, like, you do. But you know what I mean?

They, they heard something in that, that then they extrapolated and pulled out and got to where they wanted to go.

“Like do you remember the first time you ever saw,”

I guess the video or the, like, Kinnison at a danger fields. Yeah, when you just got up there and started yelling. Yeah, yeah. Had anybody done that in comedy before,

where they just like, I just got back from a seven, let me see him. Marvel. Like, like, I dice had his, like, you know, a cigarette behind the ear, kind of like,

stick everything like that, but like, where did that come from? They netty Murphy thing, did that come from a, like, they're a Brian Regan, not cursing at all in his, in his bits.

I don't know if you're enemies of these people. No. I hope you're friendly with all of them. You've not named an enemy yet. But if you keep going, no, I don't have enemies.

I would listen there, like, 2005 Dame Cook, where he's cursing all over the place, but then I'd hear, like, a couple of years prior, Brian Regan, where he wasn't, and he was, like, maybe he was listening to that,

but just like, added in the curses for, like, extra effect.

“Like, I think a lot of comedians are also musicians too,”

because I think there's a lot of parallels. What we talk about this a lot, I bring it up a lot,

envy's musicians, I believe, whether they consciously or unconsciously do it. I very consciously envy musicians, because I, I was looking at a musician as someone who's not judged moment to moment.

And I envy that, but, but, meaning, well, I know, but not what I'm saying moment to moment. I know what I mean, when you start and you play one of your songs, people aren't playing, I like this part. Oh, no, no, I don't like that part.

Oh, but I like this part again. Oh, but I don't like this part now. That's not how they think about music. And that is very much comedy is moment to moment. Like you get a laugh and then you do another thing and like less of a laugh. And then sometimes like, oh, and then like, oh, yeah.

And I don't think that happens in music.

And I think I've always envied,

if you go out and play your hits, everyone's going to be so happy the whole time. Springsteens back out there now with the E Street Band. And I think I got to go to that show. Yeah, yeah, it's going to be amazing.

But no one's, no one's saying, okay, I like this part of this song. Oh, I don't like this part as much. But no comic ever gets to the point where they're not judged. I think moment to moment in my opinion. I'm sure Bruce has had fans who are like,

“do we have to hear the fucking rising one more time?”

Do we have to, can't get, let's get to glory days. Let's get to, yeah, I was, I just put out an album. And of course, I'm like, any artist that says that they're not reading reviews or scouring the internet is lying. I am like, I look at this, I look at these reviews as much as my child.

I'm, and you nurture them.

You nurture them. I take them too seriously sometimes. My wife tells me to stop looking at them. I saw this one and everyone's entitled to their opinion. I saw this one review saying that Charlie just put out an album.

And it is just another solace attempt at trying to be an artist. And that really hurt my feelings because I actually did. I put my, my heart and soul in this and I didn't make this album to make a bunch of hit songs. I wanted to actually talk about, you know, fatherhood, my family. And like, you know, the things like that.

They're like, boo, doesn't have a cut you hook. It's like, I've had, you know, I had my song attention. You just wanna, you just wanna, I had that song out. It was a number one record.

“And we couldn't sell 3,000 tickets in, I think it was Chicago.”

It was like 2,000 tickets. 2,000 people's a lot, but it was a tour meant for 5, 6000 people. I've had hit songs out. People knew the hits more than they knew me. My goal on this album was for people to know me.

Yeah. And sometimes I get jealous of comedians because you know their personality.

Like, when I first time I saw a Ralphie Mae,

I was like, I became obsessed with like a Greg Geraldo. And like, I just, I felt like I knew their personality. Yeah. They both passed haven't they? Yeah.

Okay. Yeah, man. I just named two people at past. Okay. It happens, you know?

But like, you know, I mean, like, I know you're, I feel like I know you, because I've obviously grown up watching you. And like, you're delivery. It's like you are who you portray yourself to be. Right.

And like, whereas a musician takes a couple of years for people to get to know you. Unless you just nail it right out of the part. That's interesting to me that you have worked so many great artists. And then you yourself have had so many hits. People know your name and now you're saying, yeah, I really want to get into the autobiographical

part of songwriting and have people connect to you that way. That makes perfect sense to me. As far as critics go, there's no escaping criticism. And I got to a point in my career where I don't look for it. I have, you know, sometimes you are just confronted whether you want to know it or not

with the good and the bad. But and usually people tell you if there's something really mean about you out there. You'll find out because your garbage man will say, hey, did you see that? You know, and I'll say, well, I didn't, but thank you. I don't think you're the worst fucking world.

Well, I appreciate that. Are you doing so much dairy? Yeah. Yeah. Now, the dairy is another issue.

We'll talk about the dairy coding your stomach for the morning. But I would agree with your wife that you don't. I don't think it's necessary to seek it out because you know when you're doing work that you like that's important to you.

“And so that's why I would agree with her that you going on the internet and looking”

for what people think about Charlie Puth is unnecessary. I don't know. I mean, it's, and I totally agree with you. It is completely unnecessary. But like it's almost like, it's almost like high school.

Sometimes you pour your heart and soul into this and you just want people to, at least, like, take a listen to it and understand. But there are so many millions of people that already have it. Listen, I'm coming across as if I'm scolding you. We're telling you, this is ridiculous.

I completely understand what you're saying. But I've spent a lifetime around people that are looking for validation.

And then they're like, well, first I got to do this sold out series of concerts at Massachusetts Square Garden.

And then I'm getting nighted in England. And then I have to go to Spain where they're actually making me a member of the Royal Family. And you know, and it's just one of these funny things about human beings.

“And trust me, anytime I do anything, I think this is the test of whether I'm any good or not.”

And I recalibrate every time I set all the clickers back to zero. I think you guys could agree that all the clickers go back to zero. And it's like you're giving a small toast at a Christmas party. Yes, I know. But these are a good friends of mine and this has to be the greatest toast of all time.

And if it isn't, I'm nothing. So I'm telling you that yes, we're all ridiculous people. But at the same time because I'm not you, I can say you do not need to be hunting on the internet and reading. Oh, good. Someone wrote something nasty. I need to read every single word of it because I don't think it serves you.

It doesn't serve your creativity. I don't think it's doing anything. And you don't know what that person's going through, which is they, you know, they made it. They wanted to do what you're doing possibly or they have biases. Of course they do.

I've had interactions like that before there was this like bartender who was very rude to me.

And then I was, I was never rude to people because I always have that mentality of like they might be going through something.

And it turns out that like he didn't get into the school that I went to and like it seems very well aware that I went to that school. It all had to do very little with the fame aspect, with the school aspect. And then I ended up having a great conversation with him about music. Right. Was this Berkeley? This was somewhere in Woodstock for Mont, but it was the school Berkeley.

Oh, the school was Berkeley. Yeah. Yeah. It would've been a woodstock for Mont. Yes, I have. It's gorgeous. Yeah. Beautiful. New England. And yet this person's living in beautiful woodstock for Mont and they're bitter and angry, you know, maybe not anymore.

No.

“I think after they, they already had a resentment towards you, then they met you and you were really nice.”

Yeah. He's twice as bitter now. And he's nice. Yeah. Should have been a dick is what you're saying.

If you'd been a dick, then this guy would have been so happy right now.

He's probably not alive anymore. I'm just going to put it out and go ahead. It's a good turn. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I think it's a good chance that person no longer walks the earth and it's your fault.

But anyway, let's move on. God. I've got to get into music because I can't be a community anymore. You're saying. I'm just a broken man.

You're so sick. It's going to be fine. It's like when you watch the sitcom and you hear like, you know, they're there. Everything's going to be okay. And then, and then you hear the audience clapping.

Yeah. Yeah.

“And then you have to, and then like, cousin, Uncle Jesse comes in and you have to.”

Some sort of like comedic break. I'm going to go, you want to go get tacos. And then the credits fucking roll. Going on tour. And this is a big tour.

Big tour. What's the name of this? Is it named after your album? It is the whatever's clever world tour. And I will be on stage with my band.

And they're the best band in the music industry. They make me sound so good. And it's just a joy to share the stage with them every single night. If they come to a show, I would love to come to the form. Maybe if you want me to come out.

Oh, I know this is coming. So I want to save you the embarrassment. No, I'm serious. And you just throw out a key. Because I also have perfect pitch.

I feel like you actually might. Communically, I have perfect pitch. I never, a way. I just did that thing about a guy killing himself. Yeah, you do.

Wait, what's the same? What's another song that we might all know that you like. Like, you know, something in the way she moves. James Taylor, sweet Caroline, little diamond. What's it?

Pitbull. Pitbull. I was mocking him. I was doing a pitbull thing. But earlier.

I wrote a pitbull song. Which one? It didn't do very well. But I wrote one. It was called, oh, God.

It was part of a movie. This was back in 2014. Was it men in black? It was men in black. It was, you know, it was called celebrate.

And then he did his thing. And we've been around the world same song. Yeah, pitbull. Yeah, yeah. I'm pitbull, and I'm here to say, I'm going to rock the USA.

Um, I was driving in to work today.

And I was flipping around FM radio, which I never do.

Just randomly. And I heard this song. I'm like, what is that? And they were whoever the rapper was. I find out later on.

It's pitbull was sampling. Baby. You're the one down down. It's 1950s or 60s hit. And I, um, what is that song called?

Because what I was going to ask you is if you can sing a song that you like and see if

“it's actually in the key of what the song is.”

All right. I'm going to sing, um, has run away. And we're going to get in trouble because we can't, uh, do these songs. But I'm going to be very expensive. I guess that I am.

Well, don't even sing. Don't even sing it. Just sing the first song. I'm going to sing the first note of a song that you like. Oh, well.

I'm going to see. Um, wow. This is incredible.

Like, uh, do you know sweet Carol.

Sweet Carol. No. Yeah. And not so well. I mean, I hear the way the Boston Red Sox crowd sings it.

And, um, we know they've been drinking. And they've got a 40 days. You sing a lot. I mean, give you 40 days. So that's Ronnie Hawkins on the Hawks.

40 days. How about a Jack White song? Um, when he jacked. You're going to be friends. I deal with your song.

No, so I can see if he's correct. If you know, uh, we are going to be friends. Follow us here though. Oh, you're stumped. Yeah.

I usually know every song. Okay. It's a very famous song. And I ashamed of you. Um, we can get off it if you want.

But like, I just know I feel like I want to hear this. I want to keep it by Sam. You're bad. Draw back your bullets. What the fuck's going on?

I just want to like, you know, no, that's not going on. I don't know. I don't know. I just want to know. I just want to know.

I just want to know. Well, I bring it up into that for a time. What about a beetle song? Yeah. Of course.

We all know those. Hell, but need somebody to help. I think that's a B minor. It starts off in. Yes, it is.

It's okay. Hell. I need some, is that that I just singing B minor? What you're doing in D minor. Yeah.

Yeah. I fixed it. The B. I often fix beetle song. If you know the first chords of B minor.

So yeah, definitely have some extra recollection. I do. I remember that. That's fascinating. That's fascinating.

Okay. Okay. I'll admit something. You talk about this song where you make fun of your prior cell for, yes. And talk about how I used to be cringe.

“And I think one of the reasons I identify with that song is that I always want on this podcast”

to underscore that that is the human condition. It's not the Conan O'Brien condition. It's not the Charlie Pooh condition.

It is the human condition that we are very self critical.

And we think the former, our former selves were illegitimate. And then we've slowly worked our way to legitimacy. Or we're not quite there yet, but we will be someday. And I think that's just a fallacy. I think we, so your song was about how I used to do this.

I used to wear my hair differently. I used to try and throw out these words to seem cool. And I think, yeah, this song is special. Was resonated with me just because I think I do that about musicians. I think they're real, you know.

They're real because you can sit here and you can make magic with this keyboard. And you can write these songs that 2 billion people listen to. And I think, oh, that's many, many levels above what a comedian does. And I think a lot of comedians do that. And I think a lot of us lower ourselves around musicians.

Because I just, I think we, we put musicians on a pedestal. And maybe writefully so. Because it's a lot of yourself. You're just saying the fucking national anthem, right? But I, I understand it as high as I think I could sing it.

This is very, I didn't know that this is going to be so introspective. This is very, continue. I won't, I won't. I know. Every now and then some real stuff breaks out here.

And we try to clean it up and editing. Yeah. And add fart sounds.

“Why do you think comedians will lower themselves when others use it?”

Well, I think comedians are all about their well-defended. You know, they're, it's all about and keep the conversation moving. Keep the conversation moving. Slip and move and make fun of yourself before someone else can make fun of you. There's a lot of tricks that we all employ.

Because really we're just protecting ourselves. A lot of, a lot of really funny comedians grew up not being able to fight. And this is what we could do. And so it literally is kind of a weapon. It's a survival mechanism.

This is as old as time.

But I do think that a lot of comedians can grow up thinking,

Yeah, I do this because I literally had to to make my mark or survive in some way. Not literally survived, but survive these social situations. And then music just feels so instantly, like, oh my god, that's great. Do more of that. You know, when you come across someone who's playing the piano really well,

you just think instantly, oh my god, that's like, God is speaking through them. And I don't think we think that way about comedy. God is not speaking through me. And if he was, God should be soon.

[laughter] But you know what I mean?

“And so I'm not, this isn't false mossy. This is what I really believe is that”

when someone is playing with these sounds and manipulating them in a way and creating these patterns seemingly without effort. I know there's a lot of practice involved and there's a lot of work. But when they sit down and they're just messing around and you see the film get back the recut version of let it be.

When you see that and you see Paul McCartney sitting with his base and he's frustrated because they need a song and he just starts over and over again banging. And then you see it become the song "Get Back" through sheer force of will and creativity and he does it in real time and it's this song that again is in my head and I could make noises to simulate it.

I know this scene you're talking about. Yeah, and he's just there with his name. They need something and he just keeps with a base, which I did not think of as a songwriter's instrument. I think it's a guitar or it's often keyboard or piano.

But he's there with a base and he's just in decision and he's like, "Okay, yeah, yeah, I see what it is now. It's just got up and I don't think too much you'll have to pay." McCartney isn't cheap. And McCartney, he's monitoring this stuff right now himself.

He listens to this podcast because he knows. Right. The culture, the culture. See what you're done. Because he's the master of television.

“None of this is like all of this is not even about me.”

It's not for if a musician, the reason, we'll not the reason. This is how I'll say.

The musicians that make it all about themselves are the first to fall in my opinion

because it's not this, I didn't invent this chord. This is like some God particle thing and then we apply our human experience. Right. Cords. Like that sounds ugly.

But like when you put like it starts to resolve. Yeah. That does something. That can make anybody for 100 people in here. And I played like a fire alarm.

Everybody would like, you know, wins in the cover there years. But you can, they're not going to do that if I do. You're going to be like, they're not going to, there's a difference.

Yeah. Like you can do that. That's a very primitive example. You can do that through intervals and chords. And then it's our goal as humans and job as humans to put our experience in what was made for us already.

Yeah. The stage was set. You know, it's interesting.

The parallel that I always find is because there are certain rules that exist,

obviously, and Greek tragedy. I mean, the Greeks invented so much. Great salad, by the way. But I just looked at Sona because she's part Greek. I invented the salad.

Oh, your people did. I'm proud of you. You're welcome. I got to do some amazing every time I eat, you made. Welcome.

Welcome. But you know, there's dramatic structure. There's dramatic structure. And if you look, you know, plays novels. Any story has a dramatic structure.

Sit comes have a structure. You know, and then you look at a lot of it is creating tension and then resolving tension. And that's what so much of music is. You know, you, and then you're on the, you know, and then you get back to the A. And you're just like this is feeling of.

Yeah. Happy. Happy. Sad. Yeah.

Happy. Tension resolved. Yeah.

“And it's just, I think it's the soundtrack for those mood stabilizer commercials.”

You know, someone's, I don't feel got to feel good. But then you tried Miliastra, you know, and then. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. And then all the side effects. Yeah. Yeah. Side effects include massive diarrhea, more diarrhea.

Your diarrhea will have diarrhea. People in the area will have diarrhea. And that's called sympathetic diarrhea. The change of the key that they changed the key of it. Also, diarrhea in a higher key.

of you in a higher key is what this order should be called.

Yeah. Going on a tour or just open with that song. Yeah.

“I think it's cashmere, you know, Denon and Denon.”

Yeah. You really got to be careful because Jimmy Page, Jimmy Page is on the same. He's watching on the same Zoom with Serpaal. Oh, there he goes. That's a song that stays forever.

And then it's, I mean, these are very simple elemental changes. You know, and I don't know, I, I don't know that song that well. It's not in my head. But, you know, it's like it's in, it's almost like it's in E for a long time. And then it goes to E seven.

And so you can sort of see like the ice is starting to break. And it's, it's agonizingly long. And then suddenly it goes to like, hey, and every time that happens, every time I hear it in any context, I think I've just seen the face of God. And it's the simplest move in the world.

But that is, I think what a lot of people in comedy do as well, which is you create this tension of what this person of saying is completely outrageous. And then laughter is the resolution. People laugh and it's like, oh, good. We're out of that long sustained E seven and now we're into an AMA.

And it's like, oh, yeah. Yes, this person just saved the day. And what it is is creating this unbearable tension and then breaking it. You know, I've just ruined everything by trying to explain. No, it's people hate this.

I knew walking in here that I was, they were, you know, your staff is wonderful. They were like, it's gonna, it's gonna be fun. It's like, yeah, I know it's gonna be fun. But what you're not telling me is that it's gonna be thought provoking.

I always have really interesting, awesome conversations with Dave Chappelle yourself.

Will Farrell. It's never, I feel like the common misconception when you have a sit down with a comedian or actor

“is that they're going to be a hundred percent that person that you're thinking of, right?”

It's, there's so much more to that. Every time I, it will's a really good friend of mine. I'm sure you know him as well. He's an enemy. Okay, he's an enemy.

And so Chappelle, you just name my two arch enemies. I just have the hate those guys. And they have no talent. None. None.

None. None. Sad would happen to them. Anyway, continue. My media training is.

[laughter] Whatever you do, don't mention Will Farrell. Orientation. No, the counterbrain. Because he hates them.

No, they're two. I just have, they are two spectacular geniuses. I'm not kidding. It's a slap in my knee laugh and like, yeah, talking to them. I'm like kind of like really intrigued what they have to say.

Because there's a lot of parallels drawn. Well, it's the same thing that happens to me. If I'm talking to, you know, the times that I've had a chance to have a conversation with say a Paul McCartney. Hmm.

I don't, I don't walk away thinking. What the hell was that? He, he made no music while we spoke. [laughter] You know?

And it's the same thing because the first time I met Steve Martin,

years and years and years ago when I was a writer on Saturday Night Live, I went into the meeting to pitch him ideas thinking he's going to have an arrow through his head. By 1978. By 1979.

Yeah, he's going to, you know, there's part of you that thinks that's you're going to be talking to. Yeah, exactly. But it would be that era. That's the era that I first,

“that's how I first experienced Steve Martin.”

And then you walk in and it's this very, very serious. Sirius is a heart attack guy who's trying to figure out what he's going to do that week, talking in a very soft spoken voice. And he can access that, but he's not going to do that right now. So that's fascinating.

Yeah. Yeah. So I am me all the time. I guess I, if you see me at Chipotle, I'm not going to be how you see me on the internet.

But so I guess that's the, it's the same thing. I have days where I'm super quiet and I don't want to be like a music music music. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, and there are days where it's the last thing you probably, I don't want to do that today. I just want to watch Doug the mirror on cars and bids.com. I don't think I know that. No, I don't know that. I don't know that. I don't know that. I don't know that. I don't know that.

Just the super niche community of car lovers of the modern era. Like if I can tell you all you need to know about the Saturn view. Oh, wow. I just, I love the cars of the modern era. Cars of the modern era. Everything, anything below 70s, I don't know what a fucking 79 core vet is supposed to look like. Right. But I can tell you everything about the, the, the, the, the Sion X B. The leaf. Do you know anything about the leaf on leaf? Like air, I, I, I, I love even phones. I like that. Oh, the guys are just going on and on about.

Okay. I got this Nissan leaf. And you know, it runs at 40 watts. I bumped it up to 41. This sucker will do out of the gate. It'll do 35 miles per hour at top speed.

you got four in the that hood in that leaf. Like, what do you got, Natalie? You got four?

“Like, do you know what I said about it? I think about my wife's trying to watch her. He did”

rivalry isn't whatever. And I like, I, I, I, I lay, I lay down and think why did the Yucan Denali in 2002? I'm serious. Why did GMC have this beautiful insignia in this chrome door handle on the Yucan Denali in 2002? And then in the 2003 model year, it got rid of it. This is crazy. You're going to say, I'm making this up. I have my notes here for the conversation Denali right here. Why did they lose it on the door? I hear. So I believe me. So I believe did you believe me? I, I, I, I'm very, I don't

into an interview with Charlie Pooze to talk about the Denali. I just brought it on. I didn't know. I thought he just grabbed it. I don't know. I did. I thought he was serious too. Thank you, Charlie. I have a way of committing. Yes. I'm going to say something because we ran out of time a while ago. And I've been keeping it going because I haven't too much fun. I was having so much fun. I'm shocked you haven't been here before. And our booker, Paula Davis,

I went to her a while ago and I said, let's get Charlie Pooze on. I love him. I'll watch his TikToks and she said, no, not going to do it. Not going to do it. And I kept pushing her. She said, no, no, she was like, no, we're not going to do it. And I said, why? Why can't we have Charlie on the show? And she said, because you can't handle the booth. Oh, I got it. I got to go. I got to go. I can't do this anymore. I got to go. Oh, yeah, I got to go.

We think. Is it the end of the podcast? Yeah, it's done. We was good working with you. That was awful. Jesus Christ. You can't handle the booth. You can't handle the booth. Listen, I am so mad. I thought it was just because I was just recently taken seriously. Like a year ago,

I feel like people are finally like actually taking you know, it's because it lines up so perfectly with

you can't handle the truth. And when I took this, let me explain. Let me explain. Let me explain. And then you last named Pooze. And so I took this iconic, what's this? You can't give me thumbs down on this. I'm just cleaning it. That's the problem. Is that now we're going to imagine? I'm Jordan Nicholson. Yeah, it's not a handle. The Pooze. No, that's about it if you did it. That's a great, great bid. It is and I don't understand.

“Yeah, I think we're done. No, no, no, no. This is, this is how I wish we had started.”

And I wish this had happened in the middle and then at the end as the resolution. I see. Charlie, that cup has been empty for a while. You're just looking for a way out. Blue, quorum, error one, bone broth. No, what are you talking about? You are a phenomenally talented young fellow. And I'm, I just knew, because I also, I see your sense of humor too when I watch your videos. I'm like, okay, this guy does what I wish I could do and he's funny and you're a massive success.

So, I was really happy to trip to me because you are such a massive, massive success and I haven't grown up watching you and it's like now it's, it's just so full. But none of that stuff. I don't know. I don't think of myself that like this is me being as honest as I think I can be, which is I have been incredibly lucky and I love getting to do this thing whatever it is and we'll put a name to it. But what I love about these conversations is trying to get to something that

I don't think I'm ever going to crack, which is there's this thing we're all trying to figure out. And now you're going to go off and I know exactly what you're talking about, you're going to go off and play these amazing shows for sold out massive venues and but you're still trying to see

Portland's not sold out. Oh, Portland is always tricky. Yeah, but there you know, they're

drinking, I haven't booted. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. We don't talk anymore. Some do. Yeah, listen, first of all, you've now, we're not going to get Portland sold out by alienating Portland. So I'm just going to say, I can't imagine a better place for you to play than Portland. I bet it's going to sound amazing. I mean, great. Don't not scrape people. They can't handle the booth.

“Maybe that's why. Maybe they can't handle the booth. I don't have to go back to that well.”

We just went back to a quip that was cancerous. Yes, it was. I mean, it's toxic. It was, it was, you should apologize. I don't know. Is there any other musician you look up to other than me, of course? I look up to anyone that can make a living doing it. I think that's absolutely stunning. And that sounds, but I'm just amazed when when I mean, and my goal getting into this

amazing thing in the world? That was my idea in 1985, and it's still my idea. You know, it's like

still like that is it's not going to get better than that. Scale of things can change, but the actual mission doesn't change. So I'm just blown away when, I mean, I like to sit and talk to people

“if I walk into a hotel lobby and someone's playing the piano there, I'm just, I think that was just”

be amazing to be able to sit and play the piano. And you've got to, you know, you've got a standing gig and people come and they listen to you and you get some free drinks. That's the part I would want. But you can, and I used to, that used to be one of my odd jobs as I would go, well, not odd, I would play the piano at bars. You can change the room with, you know, when you start playing piano, man. Yeah, I won't play anymore of it, but yeah, God, these,

these laws are destroying, they're destroying podcasts. They are. What Billy Joel needs that 35 bucks? No. But anyway, you would hear Rodney Dangerfield sit down with Johnny Carson and he would just like, you could, the audience would change just based on the addiction and his delivery. And the

expectation. So like, what do you have yet or Rodney Dangerfield or any of these amazing

comedians would sit down with Johnny Carson when I was a kid and my father and I and anyone else in the room would just be like, oh, this is going to be good. And that's what happens when you start to hear some of these iconic songs. When anyone's playing their hit, you, there's the, oh my God, everyone knows what's coming and they're also delighted and excited for it. Mm-hmm. Which is right, except if you completely change the arrangement and make it, uh,

yeah, what it's supposed to sound like. Right. The Boston Nova version of piano, man. Artistic selfishness, but even Billy Joel is he says he's, and I've opened up from a couple times, one show got rained out, but he's, I asked him, do you have a guest, Portland? No, Pittsburgh. Oh, damn it. Even said he like, I asked him, do you get tired of playing piano, man? And he was like, I do, but the crowd's reaction is worth everything. Wow, that's,

“you know, quote me exactly, but that's what I remember him saying to me, and he said,”

you know, get out there and open this show. I'm not paying you to talk to me. Well, the show got rained out, and the show got rained out, and I was all bummed out. He came in. They were like Mr. Joel wants to, uh, Billy wants to come in and, you know, offer his apologies, and he came in and he shrugged his shoulders. He was like, what do you want me to do? Yeah, and we took a picture. I have a guy that thinks he needs to apologize for the weather.

I'm going to start doing that. Sorry, guys. A clips. What can I do? He didn't have to do that. No, he's nice. He's very nice. Listen, an absolute delight. Congratulations. You are a new dad, which is the best thing you'll ever do. Shout out to Jude Pooth. Jude, what a cool name. Hey, dude. Hey, Jude. That's where he played during the, uh, during his birth. That's during the birth.

Yeah, that's a long enough song. So yes, he's theologist. All the doctors were saying, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah. That's so cool. Yeah. And now every time I sing it to him, he goes,

that and sing by the carpenters. He loves when the kids come in on the second verse.

That's so cool. My daughter's name is Sandman, because we were listening to Metallica. And um, that was fucked up. But you know what? It turns out I can't. Man, oh, Brian. Just be careful. This is a public service. Be careful. What you're listening to when a child is born, because it can go any different way. You know, um, delight having you here, Charlie, really, and uh, best of luck on this tour. You're going to kill it. Thank you.

Uh, no more diving through the internet. Not necessary. You don't need it. Your way past that long time ago. I agree. All right. My first interview with my partner, retainer. I just got it. Like, you just got a permanent retainer? Is it behind your teeth? It's behind my teeth. No, I should

“try it behind, uh, four front teeth here. Okay. I don't know why. Why would you tell me that at all?”

Because it's a personal victory for me. I was kind of like, it's good just that I was not going to talk weird. But, oh, it's perfect. Yeah, I do. And now I have, this is my first interview with an empty colon. It's just, there's nothing. I'm completely cleaned down there. Completely empty colon. Is that something that we should be sharing? I mean completely, completely. Okay. We got it. Okay. We got it. Just a minute. Right before the podcast,

that shot by do. Okay. Um, I'm an awful person. Charlie, I apologize to you, to your team.

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