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or worry about at all have entered the chat with a lot of escalation points and maybe a crying emoji, crying through it all, smiling through it all. This is our life. Yes, we'll have much more on Michigan, Western Michigan, and more. We will have reaction to Sunday's action, which included a really, really fun finish

between Ole Miss as they get the win against Louisville, only win against an AP ranked team. All week long belongs to the Ole Miss Rebels, so congratulations to you. Now also, we will be discussing Notre Dame grading their performance in the win-and-lambow field against Wisconsin. Does Washington want us to talk about the AP? I don't know, we can get to that in so much more.

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First word to you on what was probably the story.

We thought it was going to be Lane Kevin, but I think the story of college football of the weekend was the finish between Michigan and Western Michigan. The conversation has been robust. It has been ongoing. You're in Tallahassee, so we'll get to the top of the state SMU here in a little bit.

Is it the talk that you're walking on the last night? Still talk at the town, even in Tally? People are still in disbelief of what we saw with our eyes. You guys crushed it on the post game reaction show. Totally agree with everything you said.

“I don't know the only way to fix this, and I think this is something the big attention”

to immediately and only thing that would have avoided this whole thing was to do with the ACC is done for a year now. And the big ten is dabbling in it, doing it sometimes on Friday nights. But if you have the control command center live, because and it's somebody who's been in the broadcast booth.

You're in that position, and you're talking about what you think is supposed to happen. And it made it look egregiously worse because the broadcasters and their rules expert are like, man, it looks like zeros, looks like zeros on the clock. And so then that creates our, what we all saw with our eyes were like, oh, games over.

Then they're coming back, and they really never got an explanation of exactly why there was an

extra second put back on the clock. But from the minute there was the review process, if you take out those broadcasters, guessing what they think, and you just went the command center, I don't think it would be anywhere near as controversial because we would have seen it. They would have said, here's the clock. Now, that's if you believe the numbers that they're putting out.

If you believe that, which again is part of the problem because it was two hours later that it just looks bad. But I think if I'm a powerful commissioner, I found a group of six commissioners. I am calling my TV network saying, we have got to do the live command center. So we don't find ourselves in that situation.

That was the biggest egregious mistake besides Western Michigan getting screwed. Yeah, you're right. You do have, I think, in this era of where we are, not just the big ten, I think every sport kind of has to really give strong consideration to having that transparent of a replay and a review process.

Because you look at, and we'll just use the college football example, you look at how much money is now in the sport, both in that they're bringing in from television and they're bringing players. And then you look at the fact that, you know, you're selling gambling ads. So you are, you know, promoting gambling and that is having an impact.

“So you should provide transparency considering so many people who are tuning in to watch”

your games have money writing on these games. Like, the one thing I'll come back to, you mentioned it to anybody. They had their rules expert on the NBC broadcast. At no point did an official who spent years working in the NFL or any other whatever to mention, well, you know, the refs have a different clock that has hundreds of thousands on it.

And then, you know, there is the story from Bruce Feldman in the athletic.

He talked to Mike Pereira, their rules official who spent years in the NFL. And he said that their, their operation was, you used the clock on the TV. You used the clock in the stadium to avoid situations just like this. If there is a discrepancy, you are supposed to use it. So it is very possible that these refs just made a mistake.

They used the wrong clock. They should have been using the one on the field on the television. And they went to the one that had the hundreds when they shouldn't have been. And it's caused a giant controversy if you believe it. And I know a lot of people aren't going to. I'll take the big 10s word for it.

I'll say that that clock exists and somebody just screwed up. But it was still a massive mistake in a huge problem in a huge point in the game, which could have major ramifications for both of these teams the rest of this season. I was on mac and cube this morning with mac and cube look. And Greg said that he didn't realize this,

but he asked around about it.

Basically like the TV clock, it is different.

And every time you like change a shot or like do something, you can get off by a couple of tenths to where like it is like legitimately different.

“I think Tom's point is really interesting.”

And one I hadn't considered like, are they allowed to use the official clock, which is sort of an absurd statement. Like it's a sort of a logical choice. Yeah, right. But yeah, I feel like this is such a great sport.

You know, but I assume that they're allowed to use the official clock. I think I've moved on to where like all right. Michigan played like crap. And that's really concerning. Western is a good mac team.

One the mac last year played a very good game and played their game, which Michigan should be dictating terms against Western Michigan. I don't think they really got like screwed. But at the same time, like they should kind of feel like they got screwed. You know what I'm saying?

Like I think they probably got this correct, but it doesn't feel right. Great. On that note, we actually have had Western Michigan's administration step up and addressed this. And so we I know we heard from the Mac commissioner John Steinbrecker

on Saturday night early into Sunday morning. We had it on CBS Sports HQ. Stryker, do we have the comments? I believe this is the University President of Western Michigan. We're in education institution.

“And the truth is, every single one of us has encountered something this like this in our lives.”

And some of us have been lucky to have it happen where it didn't hurt this bad. But these young men are encountering this in the most public. And hard-wrenching way. And trust me, there are a lot of people in their systems that are telling them to get mad at the system. Claim somebody else.

Maybe they're even right that it was unfair. But this is a remarkable opportunity for us to look forward and to say to these people, these young men, and frankly influence everyone around us that when this kind of thing happens, you take a hard look.

And then if the system is set, such that you can't review it, then you use this as an opportunity to learn.

Because the truth is, if this team is great,

and I believe we can prove we are great, then this will make us stronger. Thoughts? Oh, hope I'll leave you some left-end if I'll came to watch that. Or Notre Dame?

Yeah, I understand. Yeah. The way they have handled this has been some of the best PR commentary you could have ever imagined. I think it's a great opera.

I think it's like a job interview for Lance Taylor. If you're looking at considering him the way he's handled this, I mean, I would say this has been all class from Western Michigan. I do think this does. And I think he kind of alluded to,

like if we do accomplish our goals, this is one more I think like I was going to ask you guys this. What do you think is more impressive? What they did against now again? What see how the whole season unfolds?

What they did against Michigan? Or what poisey state did against Oregon, you know? And like if they're neck and neck, if they have very similar resumes,

“I think you have to look at what they did.”

Getting robbed of a win as opposed to poisey state clearly coming up short in the moment. All right. I think that's where you have to win. Oh, man.

What a fun. I mean, I guess it's fun. But it would be fun for poisey and Western. We wouldn't be fun for this. If we are arguing week one quality losses on November the 20th

between these teams to see who gets the 12 seed. Like that. That is quite a remark. I mean, college football understand that an expanded college football playoff waters down the regular season.

I agree that objectively it's just part of the trade off here. But that does not mean that a week one. Smallest week one margins could end up impacting even in an expanded playoff. A what could end up happening at the end of the year. That's a fascinating thing to consider.

Boisey will still have other chances against teams.

“We've got more chances against teams of higher quality for Western Michigan.”

They would just probably have to start bringing the hammer, you know, to Mac teams and really starting to look dominant. If they wouldn't put themselves in that position. Boisey also has to play Western Michigan. That's right.

Oh, perfect. Yeah. Oh, then it won't matter if we're comparing them because the head to head on the field will matter the most. Yeah.

Well, I don't know, man. We are talking about the college football playoff here. Any other final thoughts here on one last piece. And this is. I wanted to make sure this was my very last word because it is the piece

that I am assigning the least amount of energy to. But it was a hell of a throw. Okay. Yeah. We're deaf.

We're done. Yeah. Because we all love golf, right? We all love golf.

“I mean, I played it's all grass the 17th.”

Oh, you know, the island green. You know what? I did the first time. I looped it over the green. So you know, I just took a mole again.

And then I adjusted clubs. And I kind of dialed it back a little bit. And then it was bam. It was right there. But you know what?

You don't really get that luxury.

Like he basically got a mole again.

Because the first one was awful. He didn't give him a chance. And Kyle Woodingham said that after the game was like. First one didn't even give him a chance. Like that is rule number one on a Hail Mary is to make sure it's in bounds.

But he got to adjust. Got to change clubs. And he got wrecked too. Yeah. That's the thing.

He's getting hit. He's like. Yeah. All of balance. And it's just right.

I mean, we credit in JJ if you can. And for the athleticism on the catch too. That was one piece that didn't get out. I didn't come back to until I was continuing to think about it. All right.

Speaking of results on the field Sunday night gave us a big time game. Like ranked on ranked. Louisville Ole Miss. Fun finish here. Clunky start.

I'll leave this one just kind of open bud to where you want to take it. Or some of the sort of headline top line takeaways that you got from the walkoff field goal for the ribs to prevent what could have been kind of a bad collapse there at the end.

I mean, try to try to dad's amazing.

Yes. Right. Like he just so many deep shots that that he hit and just like attacking down the field. Like that. You just don't see this whole lot.

Like I took to me like he really really stood out. Like he didn't do selling anger on those two big ones was, you know, with was was pretty big. I was disappointed in Ole Miss's secondary, which I thought was going to be improved this year. And like they were still turning guys loose. Kind of like scarily often, you know.

And if Louisville doesn't play like dumbasses. Right. Which, I mean, like, but that's kind of what they've been for like the last twenty five years. When they're good, it's like, all right, they got guys who could play at Miami, you know, or at, you know, Alabama, athletically.

And maybe like the, you know, game instincts and like that kind of stuff just lacking in certain ways. Just the repeated personal files. Like hammering chamblas when he's, you know, good half yards out of bounds on the third night's scramble. You're going to get off the field, right? Like the, you know, how many times, like I was shocked that, yeah, like the rough in the kicker or the punner. Like, you know, that, if you force Ole Miss into a field goal, that's a win, right?

Like it's, it's a big time mistake to, to hit him at all. You don't really, like, I'm not saying they'll try to block it, but like, come on, man. You know, I was encouraged by Louisville. Like if that, if I was convinced they could play clean games and I'm like, okay, cool. Like, they got a really good shot to go 11-1.

They'll probably lose a couple that they shouldn't because that is sort of there, you know. You know, and I mean, like, I, I, I'm curious here, here y'all thoughts on on Kenos. Like, I, I saw some really good things. I love them. I know that it's great.

This was one of the games that actually felt like a pretty good feel for. I thought Louisville would be able to handle the physicality of an SEC team like Ole Miss. But athletically, like all those things, they matched up pretty well. The one unknown was what was Lincoln Kenos going to be. Once he settled into the game, he kind of had that little swagger about him.

Like he did look like he was kind of starting to feel himself, was getting into a groove, was getting into a rhythm.

“I think you have to feel really pleased what you saw from Louisville.”

I know you didn't come out with the win, but as far as like a moral victory. You got to feel pretty good about the talent that you have going toe to toe with them. On the other side, but since I was trying to think of it because man, I don't know if there is a comp, the only name that I kept up because he likes to put a lot of air under it. I appreciate it.

It's just beautiful. Do you remember Jeff Blake? Like that kind of remind me of Jeff Blake who was a really good deepball thrower. But my goodness, the ball comes off his hand nicely. And obviously, we need to know what he does outside the pocket.

But I think that is the one thing you do not have to worry about is turning it out.

He's one of the best quarterbacks in college football.

“And he saw that on display in the second half.”

Like the quickness with which he gets to like, oh, it's there on firey. It's fast. Like it's not a big wind up. He doesn't take a big stride. His feet are constantly moving. He just, it's like, oh, shoot. He's just a sniper out there, man.

I liked he said after the game. He was like, I don't want to play games like this. I wish we did it. You're such a hero in these moments. Tell us about what it takes. He's like, I don't want to play like this in the fourth quarter.

I would much rather we'd been able to have better execution earlier in the game. And not have to deal with this. But somebody who, even though he was kind of making light of it, was very much willing to answer the call for those kinds of plays as he's been doing over the last two seasons. Yeah, they're going to go as far as he goes.

I mean, that's, that's my takeaway from it. And it's kind of, it's not all that different from what they were last year. Yeah.

It's going to dad played fantastic in the second half.

And they kept making plays to go ahead because they had to. Because like, well, their defense just was not very good. And they looked good against the run. They looked horrific against the past and keep in mind. That's a quarterback who was starting his first game in like what five years. Since he's been in high school and since he's been a starter and you could tell early because Louisville is having a lot of problems.

With like the game clock, they had to burn a bunch of time outs because they were about to take the laser game. If you like, came penalties early, Jeff problems. So clearly, Lincoln was, yeah, like he was like, you know, like he was having real difficulty adapting to the speed of the game. And he hasn't been in one for so long that you can understand it. So, but yeah, like, if Tread dad messes up, that team is in trouble.

Like, he has to be that good. Or else, I don't know how they're going to, like, weekly in the SEC. I don't know how they're going to be competing. Like, they didn't last year, but that was kind of how I felt about them all last year. I kept waiting for, you know, like, the them to step on a rake and it actually hurt them.

And they never really did until they got, you know, deep into the playoffs.

It's hard to do that weekend and we go. If we call them like a 20 power rating wise, right, which is, you know, they'd be like a 10 point dog like a Texas or Ohio state.

“If they don't have Trinidad, what are they like, like, is he worth?”

Well, yeah, like 13. I'm here cutting them like a full touchdown. If it's like a meaningful game. On the past defense for both sides, my sense was both of these coaches just first and foremost we're trying to sell out to stop the run. That what Lacy and Brown provide on each side. The both defenses were like, we are like, that is our number one thing that we have to do.

Which I'll let, I mean, shoot. I know Pete Golden's a big fan of the cover three podcasts. I'll let him reach out, you know, clarify that for us. But it seemed as though some of that was a balance issue. Also, I mean, you talked about the delay of games. How about the punts going over Trinidad said?

How about the fumble by Lacy after you'd gotten the fourth down conversion?

I mean, this thing, they were playing with a greasy watermelon in the first half.

This sloppy, just all around. It, it, once the game took off, it ended up providing the second half that gave us all the fireworks, but kind of an ugly game here to begin with. I can have a score as though. Yeah, that was the second half. Fun, fun, take it half.

I do think that I'm curious to see how much brahmadaps to what Keenhols felt comfortable doing. Because like just dropping back in the pocket, it was rough. Any time like they were using like the threat of his legs or the threat of his leg to get him out, so that he can like get the clean look at it. He threw on the on the run well. He created space on those rolls well.

Like he threw pretty accurately down the field. You know, like he had a couple of deep shots. They also think drew like two PIs on deep shots. Like, man, I know brahmad is a really good drop back guy, but he may have a quarterback who's not very good at that. And as the game went on, I thought he adapted well.

Like they, you know, when they got down there and in the red zone for their last touchdown, I was like, okay, so we're just going to go like, you know, two by two gun and just straight dropping back. Like, okay, and the next play they ran QB draws. There we go. Okay.

I also think we have to remember it was his first game in college. You know, like he can improve from the pocket. That's where he probably is uncomfortable in there.

“And there, and I think that's where if he develops there, that's when he could be that much better if he develops as that pocket pass,”

or because if you throw that in with the running ability, then you could be something really good. The, the explosive this they had at Louisville has, too, is nice. Like Richardson can go McCourt Ray Richardson. Yeah. Yeah.

And the way like they have, they look multiple touchdown score types on that offense from the outside. It's like, like, every time I get the ball in her hands, oh, this could go, you know, I know, like I. Hey, are we, are we going to call him Sam's club Malacatoni?

Man, seriously.

“Like I, I was encouraged by what I saw from them.”

Ole Miss office of Lyon scares me a little bit.

But at the same time, like we know Louisville's front's good. Right. And I saw some chatter. Like, oh, wait, wait to Ole Miss gets in the SEC and like. Are you taking Auburn's D line over Louisville's?

No, it's not. You taking Missouri's? I'm not. Like they're going to face some good ones. It's not like every SEC team they play is going to be way better up front

than Louisville is defensively. Good puns. My final question on this game.

Are there analytics that support the idea that showing quarterback's moms is better

for a broadcast? My hand is at the prime. I mean, sure. I don't know if they're part of time ABC games. Love showing players, moms.

You're probably a plan. We're excellent last night. Yeah. Yeah. That was a good shout.

Yeah. There was one. I was a big fan of you. Wait. If you get a Nashville game and Ole Miss is playing it.

You're going to go back a thousand combinations pretty. You're going to look far for the camera man. I've been in some games. You've got to look really. You've got to start digging.

Really looking around. Probably won't have to scan the crowd very much in that one. Nope. No problem with the where's where's all that on that. Coming up on the other side.

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Leave no doubt. 41 to 13 is the final score against the badgers, but similar to the game we were just talking about.

First I have a second half a little bit of a disconnect right there.

Things not firing on all cylinders for the fighting Irish either early in the first half, but a pick six and three touchdowns on three. Second half possessions lead to a 28 to three, second half for Notre Dame to be able to pull away here.

“Tom, do you want to start on the Notre Dame side or the Wisconsin side?”

Because obviously both of those are significant to us. Was there anything to be taken the way that we talked about Louisville with, hey, we came out there and we showed some fight early. Or is there just still a little bit of sadness for the way this looks at the end? Well, I mean, from the Wisconsin angle, I would argue that like the first half was very encouraging. They were going toe to toe with Notre Dame and I, you know, you looked at the one thing I was most interested in was

Would they be able to put pressure on CJA car against that offensive line? Because regardless of how the game ended, if they were able to do that against Notre Dame's offensive line, it boat well for the rest of the season.

Like they brought in Colton Joseph and I, since the day they brought him in, I mentioned that as far as good as he was for old dominion last year, he turned the ball over a lot.

And that was again, son belt competition. And when you're stepping up a competition, will he be able to get rid of those turnovers and what ended the game was a pick six now. I, based on what I saw, I think there's a decent argument to be made that the wide receiver messed up. But it all, you know, there was a miscommunication there and that picked six. It took away any chance Wisconsin had completely flipped the game on its head.

“So I think that's what Wisconsin is going to have to just kind of, you know, walk that tight rope all year.”

Because there were other plays outside that intersection where Colton Joseph looked really good. And they had a lot of kind of explosives at least opportunities for explosives that they didn't even hit as well. That they, you know, you just haven't seen from that offense in the last couple of years. So you, you ended up getting your head caved in in the end. But overall, you'll get past the score.

I think Wisconsin has some things to be happy about. And they don't have to face another Notre Dame. Yeah, I agree. I thought Wisconsin, I don't think Wisconsin's good, but they don't suck anymore. No, I'm like, no, I'm like, no, I'm sorry.

Like, they've been bad and now they're like, okay, they're like an average powerful college ball team with a cakewalk schedule.

And now I'm like much more confident that just based on what they showed, they can cash in that cakewalk schedule and make a bowl. Like, I don't know if they're going to win eight or nine, but like, I'm pretty confident they can get this extra seven, you know. And like, they were fairly physical against a good Notre Dame team. And I thought, like, I don't think I loved the fit. Of Joseph with this O.C.

Like, I don't think that's kind of a mismatch. And I thought that all off season, but it's not like a disaster. You know, like they're fine.

“I think, like, Wisconsin fans should be like cool.”

Like, you know, we got a product that is not embarrassing to watch every week. Should we be proud of this product? Probably not. But like, it's a step in the right direction, I guess. Like, they weren't destroyed by Notre Dame. And I think that was like an outcome that was possible entering the game.

Like, I know Notre Dame covered and whatnot. But they they fought them well for a half. You know, like, they play physical, they play hard. They're not real skilled. I don't think the opposite scheme is in an expedible.

Like, it's kind of a weird fit. But, you know, like, they play a lot of teams. They can't do what Notre Dame did. They went through the gauntlet of a schedule the last two years. And now they get rewarded with the easy one.

And I think they'll be able to catch that in. I mean, Notre Dame, USC and Iowa are the three toughest opponents here. And you've just gotten one of them behind you. You're going to be able to draw the likes of Rutgers and Purdue and Michigan State. Yeah.

I mean, like, there's they're going to be spots there. And next two games, by the way, are going to be Western Illinois and Eastern Michigan.

“So you should have the chance to be able to fill it up to the point where to buzz point.”

You, you are entering the Minnesota rivalry game with the chance to be able to make sure you're a ball team. If you haven't done it already. Like, you're probably a dog at UCLA. You'll be favorite of Michigan State. You'll be a dog at Penn State. You'll be a dog hosting us see.

You'll be a dog at Iowa. But if you can get through that decently, like, you finish Rutgers at home at Maryland at Purdue. Host Minnesota, you could go two and two in that stretch, right? Yeah. I could see that.

Maybe you still won in your middle five stretch.

Is there any potential that is there any reason to think that Notre Dame's that was constant being competitive in the first half was a Notre Dame issue?

Yeah. I mean, I think we've got to that's kind of gave their best effort that came out. I mean, they did give them 14 points with a pick six and the most kickoff returns. Like, if those don't know, that was, that was another great review process there by the way. I'm just so glad we have it to replay.

I mean, I said that the other night, like, it's just great that we can take longer to still get the calls wrong. So it just slows again, not much more, which doesn't make any sense. I will say this. This is an observation watching the entire weekend of what we think are going to be national champion to contenders, and this would be something that concerns me if you're noted in.

It doesn't a commonality like when you see Miami, you see Malachi Tony when you see Texas, you see Cam Coleman when you see Ohio State. You see Jeremiah Smith when you watch trade as green for LSU, you see these playmakers like this field. I know it's the year of the quarterback. I also think it's the year of the playmaker. They all fit to weapon.

Most of these guys at wide receiver. Where is that guy going to be for Notre Dame? Like we have not seen that yet. It's been issued for them. They went out and get the two guys from a house state.

No one was hurt. But like it's the same guys that we saw last year with Jordan phase on being the guy. Like, where is the playmaker for Notre Dame on offense? I can't. I can't.

I can't. I don't understand.

Like if if if this Notre Dame reaches like a quarter or a semi final.

And you're prepping for them as a team that I was also in the quarter or semi final. Anybody really scare you. No. You can just like you're now into their good. They have a lot of good players.

But like, do they have a guy? It's okay. We need to span him and throw the ball to him 10 times. No, you're only afraid of Dr. Carr, the surgeon. Why are only like, I mean, that's, that's the, the Notre Dame offense is like,

Scouple, you know, a he just gets out there and it only works if they run the ball well early.

“And that's what I thought Wisconsin was doing good is they were putting them in a lot of those third and long scenarios where”

they were able to not give them those clean looks because Jordan phase on to enough of an athlete to be able to go and find some open space. And CJ cars a good enough of a quarter back to be able to thread the needle. Give it to them in a spot where you can even extend the play. But, um, I don't think you're wrong. You know, in terms of just putting a, we're putting a lot on the quarterback to elevate the level of his wide receivers if we're comparing them to the very.

Shoot. Decore in more.

You know, the just the level.

We'll be there. And Evan Stewart will be there. Number one. Yeah. Like, the three questions I have in other day, men are entering the year.

Like, very clearly good, very clearly a top 10 type team, right? Do they have a number one at receiver who actually scares you in a playoff, right? Because most of these other teams do. Do they have a real game record on the D line, right? Like, as opposed to just a bunch of guys who are good.

And his offensive line really is good as it's hyped up to be. Like, I, they didn't face a lot of big time D lines down the stretch last year. I know they played well, but there's a difference when you step up in competition. So, I don't think they answered those questions last night, but they also like those answers are still open and it's one game.

And they still want and covered. Tom, what'd you make of the Irish? I mean, did they lose by 28 to a big 10 team? I don't know, right? Yeah.

It's like, they won by 28, guys.

Like, I, yeah. They could, they could have been playing. Judging them by their standard as a national championship stance when the title. Yeah. So, they won against a big 10 team by 28.

They beat the conference, including the national title by 28 points. Pretty much in their backyard. We do this to Georgia. We do this to Oregon, like we do this to the top five teams. I know, but it's just the way you guys, like, I feel like the way we're discussing this game.

We're talking about Wisconsin in a more positive light than we are Notre Dame. Notre Dame won the damn game.

“Yeah, after that game, are you raising Wisconsin's power rating?”

And you're docking Notre Dame's power rating a little bit, right? No. Back then, covered. If they were raising Wisconsin's power rating and Notre Dame beat them by 28. Why would I knock Notre Dame for winning and covering against the team that was better than I thought

was to begin with? Because they had tremendous turnover luck. Pick six and fumble kickoff. If you play that game again, there's no way you could tell me your leg in the points with the Irish. They won by 28.

Yes. It was fluky as hell. By margin, like they deserved to win the game. Winning by 28 was very fluky. I'm not crushing Notre Dame.

I just think we're talking about it from are they good enough to win the national championship. And they still could be with one game. If they lined up today, Notre Dame or a home. Notre Dame. Notre Dame or LSU.

Notre Dame or Indiana. Indiana. Yeah. Notre Dame or Oregon. Uh-huh.

We were just talking on Saturday night about how kind of iffy know, Indiana's defense looked. And now they're juggernaut. Well, I mean, obviously, that was the juggernaut that is North Texas. I just, this is listen. They won by 28 points.

I'm not arguing against your points. I'm not saying that there aren't concerns about the lack of a dominant skill position player. But they won by 28 points, guys. It's like, I don't know. I mean, Jordan phase on did have four you catches for 80 yards.

That's 20 yards per catch. That seems pretty dangerous. That seems explosive to me. You guys are acting like he had five catches for 25. Like.

It's also the island. I don't know. I was, I mean, he didn't have 234 like Malica, I told you. I mean, sorry. He didn't.

But he wasn't playing in Stanford either. He wasn't playing in Stanford. He wasn't playing in Stanford. He was down like 15 players in their starting lineup. Well, and is that and is average depth of target was 11, which goes back to my CJ car.

Like he just needs to send the little cross player out. Tell him to find the open field. I'll throw it to you on the run. And then he goes to make the play and boom. That's a goal.

“Like, I think that the CJ car of this all is the story in a good way.”

Marcus Freeman after the game said I was pressing. We were pressing. We weren't like all the way down and totally natural green Bay Packers stadium. They're a good opponent, a well coached opponent, don't tip, but he coaches well. And he is going to be able to get out there and like bring the fight to you.

And then what we started to see is the game went on. Was I think that everybody just let it loose and started to play within the frame of it. And 28 to three is probably a more representative.

Playing to its potential on offense and defense than the 13 to 10.

And the run game struggled in the first half.

And we see that all the time. First games in the season. Second half that run game looked pretty damn good to me. That offensive line looked pretty damn good to me. I thought they looked fine in the second half.

There were some iffy moments in the first, but And he is way too good to me. I don't know guys. He might not be during my love. He might not be a top 10 NFL draft thing.

But he might be in love. It's just a standard by which we're evaluating.

“You know, like, I think they look absolutely like every bit like a top 10 team.”

I don't think that they showed me much like a national title team. And we could all be massive. We acted in the LSU. And the teams that like were in Miami, like they might have looked awesome. But it was against, we know, maybe Wisconsin is way better than we thought too.

Clips and all. Yeah. Clips and mess. And the reason why that comes to mind is something that Tom just mentioned. And that is the importance of a neus Williams to be able to deliver the consistency on early.

The consistency on early downs being able to get that run game going and what it does to open things up for everything for CJ car Williams finishes with 20 carries 90 yards and two touchdowns Nolan James Tom gets in the mix as well. The what were some of the pieces of that, you know, just the simple. The simple bread and butter of football.

What'd you get from Notre Dame in the second half from that run game that helped them be able to pull away.

“I mean, I think that they obviously it was just as simple as executing your blocks.”

I feel like in the first half, you know, this was a team that had moved their left tackle from last year to left guard. They had a new starting left tackle. And you see a lot of times early in the season when you've got new combinations on your offensive line. So miscommunication some mistakes. I feel that they went into the locker room at halftime.

Got that stuff dialed in and came out and looked much better in the second half. Opening much cleaner holes and lanes for Williams. James Kendrani on all of those guys and I think they were just able to kind of hammer the rock home. They weren't really doing anything overly complicated. They were sticking to pretty basic principles and it was very effective. Those simple principles effective execution. Those are the practical plays that can lead to the kind of success Notre Dame is looking for in their pursuit of a national championship.

I'm not going back to where we're talking about. I will agree Notre Dame did not look as good against Wisconsin as Oklahoma did against you. I'm going to have to. You're going to have to let that one go. He's he just spoiled one of his upon for the refuse coming up on the other side. A look back at the weekend that was a look at Monday nights match up and more. News.

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“All right, Tom, you've been running the conference scoreboard. What's it? What's it reveal in right now?”

I do believe that the ACC's bid at an at large died already already already. Weeks not done. Well, the only game left is an ACC versus an ACC game chip. It's hard to really help yourself. Like, yes, you could hurt yourself though. The SEC three and no against power four teams in Notre Dame. Big 12 was two and two. Big 10 was one and one. The ACC God bless them for playing the games, but you got to win some of them and they went one and five.

They're only win was your beloved Tarheals beating TCU one and five in Ireland. Georgia Tech lost a Colorado, Clemson got destroyed by LSU, Boston College lost a Cincinnati. That was ever really going to be a thing. Cal lost UCLA and then Louisville's lost Ole Miss last night. I think the Louisville one really hurts because the rest of their schedule super easy. But that means they also don't really have a chance to add to the resume. Like the toughest game you can argue on their schedule is SMU, which will kind of serve as a kind of knockout game for them.

You know, if we're assuming Miami wins the ACC at this point. So when it comes to the end of the year when you're looking at like the ten and two teams that didn't win their leagues and the ACC is not going to be compared to Big 12 and Big 10 teams. And I think honestly they're being compared to Big 12 teams more than they would the Big 10. They've lost a Colorado. They've lost a Cincinnati like Georgia Tech, you know, that's just it's yeah. There's not a lot going to go their way as far as tiebreakers. It's a rough start for them. It feels like Miami or bust or you need like Louisville to completely win out from here.

And then lose to Miami close to the ACC championship where you need SMU to win and go into the ACC championship. Yeah, exactly. So it's it's a very very narrow path right.

Now Louisville's chances are done. Like if you were setting a line on playoff bids ACC plus the Irish.

“Like you're juicing the under at like minus 300.”

I need to believe it's really that Notre Dame plays a lot of C teams. They do play Miami. They do play SMU. Like I don't see the ACC getting too in. In almost any circumstance if the Irish also make it. What about the Bidthief scenario? That's our best case scenario. Yeah.

Yeah. One of those things. But I don't we don't need to on September 7th. We don't need to be proposing Bidthief, you know, we can just analyze it. And can you get in on your own merits? And the opportunities where they are in multiple places across the country for the ACC to pick up wins. That greatly changed their chances to win in at large conversation on their own merits without it having to be.

Thank you, Connor. And all caps. You yell at him, Connor. You come here and tell him what is going on. How do we dare? We've already had one of those dominant teams. They got 18 offensive linemen that are 37 years old. I mean, come on.

We haven't forgotten Virginia. It's just who did Virginia be in ACC team.

Yeah. Like this is talking about at large. It's going to come down to how you compete against other leagues. It didn't help them in that respect. Do you think?

“I think a saying thing applies to the big 12.”

Because they, yeah, I think it's, I think the thing, I think I don't think anything has changed. The TCC was garbage. TCC was garbage. TCC loses to North Carolina. TCC lost North Carolina Bayloran GNs and we didn't call right or did be drug attack.

But those are both bottom half teams in both leagues. I think, right. That's, that's the thing about the big 12. We really don't know. And that's the thing about the ACC. We really don't know who the bottom half teams are.

Like, yes. That you see up the way they won this weekend. Yeah, we're not even included. Mason, I told the disrespect a bit in this conversation. By the way, pit and Virginia, both have big 12 matchups are coming up. Right.

West Virginia doesn't have Virginia play West Virginia. It plays Maryland. Or doesn't pit play a pit as a game coming up. And on conference, I think it's pretty good game. You see F.

That's where we're just. They play UCF. Yeah. Yeah. Let's go.

Big risk. Let's go. Speaking of some of the conference scoreboard, Tom. The SEC teams went 16 and 0 and have an average margin of victory of 37.6 points per game over their opponent. The last time that every SEC school won, it sees an opener was 1997.

14 of the 6, oh, it's right there on the screen. I don't need to read my notes anymore. 14 of the 16 SEC teams won by 17 plus points. There are also tricks about AP ranked teams that blew out most of their opponents. So let's cut through it.

Tom. Okay. Is this reflective of the conference or the matchups, the conference or the matchups? More of the matchups. Like, fine one hand, they did go 3-0 against power four teams and that includes LSU completely

dog walking Clemson. But Auburn's went over Baylor, came down to a 2-point conversion. Didn't come this. Yeah.

Ole Miss beat Louisville on the last second field goal.

Those are the three results that kind of, you know, tell the tale about how it goes. Cause Missouri beat Arkansas, Pine Bluff by 40, Oklahoma beat Utah by 51. Georgia beat Tennessee State by 60. Texas beat Texas State by 52. Texas A&M beat Missouri State by 50.

Alabama beat East Carolina by 30. Now, these are all the kind of results you expect to see. But still, they did go undefeated. And that includes an all three other games against P14. So there's two sides to it.

The numbers themselves are a little pointless.

“The fact that they're undefeated is what matters.”

You know, I'm kind of glad that a lot of those games were cupcake weekend. The weekend in November. I'm glad we kind of got them out of the way now. And November comes. They'll be playing against each other.

And that used to be when you'd schedule the FCS or the lower tier group of six. Get them out of the way now. That's a great point. We just watched. We just watched the SEC's cupcake week.

Yeah. And just put good news. Which makes sense. The previous season is, if you were the SEC, because we talked about this a little bit on Saturday.

The bottom of the Big 10 struggled against teams. It was supposed to overpower. Yeah. The SEC didn't really have that. Like Arkansas did not look good against North Alabama.

Vandy kind of messed around a little bit with Austin P. But outside of that, even the team, like Mississippi State, concealed UL Monroe, which is typically what you want to see from that.

They had a lot of close calls.

Yeah. Well, we didn't get a chance to talk about it earlier when we were talking about the night cap. Um, what, what? Washington. Yeah.

Yeah. That was, um, a lot of execution errors. Um. Jetfish looks so pissed. So pissed.

I do think how about it? Yeah. Oh, yeah. It must be an angle. But I do think one of the things within that game that I had no problem watching at live.

Before half, they're up 10, three, they go forward on fourth and one from the goal line. He says, let's do it. And they were getting the ball out. So they could have gone up 17 to three. I think at the time.

Then they could have then they get the ball.

They could have like really controlled the game. Instead, they get shut down. Washington State goes into locker rooms as we got this. They get the stop. They hang around.

It was like that was such a sequence. It was a worst case scenario for jetfish. Like he bet any to chuck the headset after that one. He thought they were going to be able to just mull them in. And the one thing I go back and maybe it's goes back.

Kind of we're talking about Notre Dame and how we're nitpicking on these teams. I keep being reminded it's hard to win college football games. Like it doesn't matter who you're playing against. If it's a group of six, if it's it's just it's not easy. Especially you get a team who's kind of playing their hearts out.

They're playing really good. So yeah, do I feel underwhelmed from Washington? Yes, but you did get a win in a rivalry game. You were able to pull away late. But definitely sort of resetting some of those expectations for the Husky's.

Yeah, I mean go ahead. They were plus three and turnovers and the only one by 14. They had 12 penalties for 130 yards. They kept extending lawsuit drives. Now the good news for Washington.

“The best thing that happened to Washington in this game was that was it was really bad.”

Like that is not a very good football team. I agree. Like I think demand is pretty reliably awful against good teams through the air. But I usually count on him to spam the bad. Oh. Oh, lost him.

He hasn't earned the reaction show, too. What's going on? But I just went full demand against Ohio State. Just show them. Just completely collapsed.

What's the got done? I don't know what's going on with the internet, man. Shoot. That was back. You're good.

I'm going to get started. What? You were able to count on demand to be able to like overwhelm a better opponent. Yeah. Yeah.

Right. Like I think they missed in Del Boston. Yeah. You're sure to call them too. Yeah.

I mean, they were, they had negative EPA per dropback against Washington State.

“Did they have negative EPA on the game until like the fourth quarter?”

Yeah. They hit some ice runs for sure. But like, and part of that was demand running the ball. You know, just that passing game is not good right now. Like that is that's a pretty major red flag for me with them.

Yeah. I texted you guys during the game. I'm kind of out on demand at this point. He's tiny. He's a good runner.

He's not a good runner. He's not a good runner. God, but hey, but we had such a good time with them. You know, it's so much you know, like our improvement. Has anybody seen him or Tommy Costala on us in the same room?

I mean, because they both were number one. I mean, they're kind of our similar. They're both electric like runners. But they have a lot of improvements to do run the football. They were my story.

Yeah. As I said, kind of rather have Tommy. He could survive it. Just like if you had your ultimate brothers with demand, wouldn't you prefer to just run him?

“Like given his running ability, you'd prefer to spam the run with it, right?”

But you can't because he's so tiny.

We've also never seen Castle Honor successfully operate like at all a real offense.

Like I think demand has like a big edge processing. Like Castle Honor is only good and stuff that is very Mickey Mouse like a mouse on there. Oh, no. It's fine.

I'll just run a Mickey Mouse off. Right. So with all of week one, not all of week one. Obviously we're about to talk about SMU Florida State too. But LSU had Sam Levitt sitting court side and they were texting demand.

Boy, you might have missed him. I might have touched him a little on that one. Sam Levitt handled equidded himself much better in his season opener than I think that's an objective fact so far. All right.

Let's see what else for upon further review from the notebook is out there. Anything? I can take us to a little bit below the fold. But I don't want to rush you into Citadel in triple over time over Charlotte.

We didn't take these close and coke bottles down.

This is not good. This is not fitting. You're not meeting the standard of not meeting the standard of Buds Coke bottle background. We're going to go. We're moving the balls up.

Yeah. Yeah. Based on Brandon. I know it was Furman. Who boy?

Well, you want to see? That's what he ate. He's good right now. Something or nothing. That's what I was going to say.

So, phase on Brandon's five total touchdowns is the most total touchdowns in a season opener by an FBS freshman since 2000. So something or nothing? Something. Something.

Something. Yeah. Good decision. Josh, I guess. Something or nothing.

JKS and turnovers. Hmm. God, that often sucks. Man, no, like, not the players. Like, I don't like the way they call that design.

“I think, like, I want the way they ran last year back.”

That's rough. The game was tied and tight until it wasn't.

And all the second half adjustments broke UCLA's way.

I kind of think, kind of think Bob Chesney got the better of our boy Tosh right there. Good boy. Yeah. That's a. Hey.

Hey, hey, listen. Good news, bro. It's coaching up great. Right. Yeah, that was not a fair fight of coaching at all. Yeah, tough. Tough scenes for something or nothing, JKS and turnovers.

Because you were talking about not just interceptions, but fumbles as well. Hmm. Something. I mean, that often is so bad on early downs. Because it's nothing creative.

They don't, they don't scheme anything up. It's, it's garbage. And then it's like JKS save us on third and long, which he did multiple times, but that's also going to yield turnover. So I expect that to continue unless the offense all of a sudden magically. Hmm. What about the use there?

This you can did with a national title, too. Third and JJ. What about the use. I like that. Good. I mean, good Nico game.

Not great. Not a great Nico game. Not a great Nico game. But like soft. The pick is definitely not on him.

Hmm. Like the one going into half that the receiver runs the wrong route. Like clearly. They also didn't have their deep threat myself. Hmm.

Right. Like I think that offense changes. Like the ability to take the butt like take it over the top. If he's playing. I was pretty impressed.

That defensively it looked fairly good. Um, ran the ball well. Yeah. Yeah. That doesn't mean it lives in way night or pretty good.

Yeah. Nico like playing really hard inspired. And willing to like run the ball is is nice. That's kind of I.

“That's what I when I was thinking good not great.”

I was imagining when he's just like taking off and willing his team by like. All right. We just need to get to the sticks. Right. And I am.

Maybe the most athletic person on this field right now. It's it's time for me to go and make this thing happen. I thought that was an encouraging sign from your QB1.

Who's in his what third offense in three years?

Mm-hmm. You know? I got two years in this unless he turns pro. Because he's one of those guys that gets back to years. Yeah.

Yep. Great. Great call. So a little little New Mexico corner here. Absolutely clinic by the lobos.

You know, everybody's concerned about what it's going to be like without Jack Lane in there. Um, you know, we got Luke Moga. We got to a five a and it would be two series for. To a two series for Luke two series for to a two series for Luke at half time. Central Michigan's looking up your down 20 to nothing in both quarterbacks of lead multiple scoring drives against you.

Uh, Jason, ex going to be getting in that ass all all season long. This is not going to be a fun team to play.

“Who making certain that's how you handle a direct directional Michigan school right there.”

Same right. That's true. Lock them up. Uh, good bounce back from UNLV. They had some kind of funky conditions and one 21 to six against Hawaii on the island.

Jackson Arnold does not do anything for me to inspire it downfield passing attack. But he's a great RB too. That's just straight from the no pad on this one. Arnold. Ninety nine yards on 15 recorded carries for two touchdown.

Jaden Thomas who we talked a lot to preseason 147 yards in the score on 20 carries. It was. Yeah. It was. On that point.

Yeah. I think of what Davis Warren did against Hawaii a week ago and who Davis Warren was at Michigan. And we kind of died document. You know, Davis looked pretty decent. It's Miami to then compare that to what Jackson Arnold did against that same voice.

Yeah.

“Um, 68% run rate at 6.44 yards per run day and moment on some big.”

Well, look, it's going to keep running until they stop it, you know, kind of energy.

So 15 design carries for Jackson. RB too, baby. Jaden Thomas is great RB one. Jackson Arnold is a great RB too. No recorded pass.

No throws for orgy that we did get in the game recorded a couple carries as well. Anything else from from the note pad before we do a quick little look ahead to tonight. Only because you brought it up. A shocked at how much man free Stanford played against Miami. Like they were just like, you know, we're continuing to work on the defense that we want to play.

Is it going to work against Miami? Not a chance. Uh, but we, we, we, we guys, we need to keep getting these game reps. So like because this might work in some of these other AC games and. They were not like playing to keep a close against Miami.

They were going to run their stuff. They were playing to the tape. They were playing.

They were playing to make sure that we've got these good, these good live.

Well, you know, it's Stanford. They're very concerned about player safety. So we really minimize our good tape reps for the games themselves. Got to protect those brains. Yeah, absolutely.

These are a leaders of tomorrow. Come on. Um, yeah, anything else for I mentioned that the the Citadel Charlotte conclusion was crazy. Like, sit. That, obviously, not a great look for Charlotte at all. It was very much sitting in that 137 138 debate.

Citadel was jacked, man. I mean, that was a fun hard fight. You get to triple over time against an FBS team. You get the win. I was, I was, I was moved by that.

Another late night game. Did you guys catch, uh, Nevada's box score here against Western? Oh, they killed them.

Dude, a cool 323 on the ground.

Um. Okay. Okay. That's more than change in elevation. Yeah, that's that's a toppers.

Toppers might have trouble being stoppers here in here in 2026. Toppers. Toppers and stoppers is with the group.

“If that's what you're going to be doing on the trip to Reno.”

Um, okay. Bob check for tonight. Danny, you're in Tallahassee. First word to you. Well, do you make in the drive over?

You go. Okay. Toppers is going to waste gas money. I don't want to waste it. Can we?

It's going to be hot. It's hot. It is so hot. Oh, my gosh. It's brutal.

Nervous. Nervous energy around town. Talk to the fans. I think we have a chance. Are we going to get smoked?

I think it is imperative. Absolutely imperative. I do think Mike Moreville is a pretty good game planner coming out, you know, skiing up something, some shot plays that you can get guys open. I think it is imperative that they start out moving the ball, getting some positive

mojo if they don't.

“That's what I worry about a little bit for the nose.”

Because if that the crowd's going to be mumbling, you know, if they have a couple three and outs, you start hearing booze. But I mean, they just, they clearly have to play a lot better. We'll see if those backs can carry them again. The defense can't get toasted the way they get into the Mexico state.

Other thing we don't know is Kevin Jennings. Where is his hand? How is his hand? Is that impact potentially his ability to throw the football? I think you got to run day.

No, it's a lot more in this game. To even out the numbers in the run game, kind of gets enough stuff in your favor. You know, it's all Darrell to see her is downgraded to doubtful. That's not great. Which is not great because their backups are.

I'm pretty doubtful. Their backups are any good at football. So, that's probably not good. But yeah, like if Jennings's hand is healthy, I think they'll win by doubled it. I don't think this team is very good.

If you took the jersey off these guys, I don't see it. It's just, it's so much easier to say we're going to run it back. We're going to make, you know, improvements allegedly to the front office and stuff. It's easier to say it to next to the limit for 12 games. And now they're having to live it.

done with this doorism. No one's money line. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no

and you team that hasn't been able to iron out those wrinkles yet. Those have got something for them. They're gonna win tonight, you'll see. When they do, remember who told you? - Woohoo.

- What do you think, 34 or 24 knows about 10? (laughing)

- Oh, let's go!

- It'll be a good atmosphere.

- Danny's there.

“- We just had the jet flying over Prax in the fly over the F-15.”

- Let's go. - Ready, bucket is there. - That's the secret, that's the secret. - I know. - That's the secret weapon.

She's ready to go.

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