UPDATE: Laura Sweetman

Office might have listened to our most recent episode, or maybe the timing is just a crazy

“coincidence. But a couple of hours ago this Friday, the Sheriff's Office finally fulfilled”

our records request, and got us the audio from Dave and Laura Sweetman's Domestic Violence Incident. And I want to do something a little out of the ordinary. While this episode is still top of mind for everyone, I want to share it with you. There are three things that

you're going to be hearing, and I'm going to pop in between each. First, I'm going to play

for you sound from the body cam footage of a deputy responding to Laura's call that she made to the Sheriff's Office. Then I'm going to play you the entire audio file that she turned over to them over the incident that she was reporting. This is the almost hour and a half long recording she has of her in-day inside their house when she says he refused to let her leave. And then I'm going to play you some audio from when the deputy arrested and questioned Dave.

“This audio answers so many questions and brings up a million more. And I think for those of you”

who have been in a volatile or abusive relationship, this audio is going to hit home in a hard way. But it is important to hear because these are some of Laura's last recorded words before she

died later the same year that this was reported. So first, here is the deputy's interaction with Laura.

It has been edited for clarity. Hello, who's Laura? I've been in somewhere where my kids are, I'm going to let them let me know. How are you? Not in Newt or anything? No, okay.

Do you want me to start my sketch? Okay. So recently I discovered that my husband has another family and so over the past few weeks I've gotten ready to get divorced and he was at the time of this weekend so I moved to my things out of the house and then he was with two of the kids so when he got back, I took, I told him I was taking the kids to Walmart really quick and I just took the kids to a friend's house and I went

back to top him that I was leaving but while I was gone he must have figured that out and see enough that enough things were missing from the house. He wasn't inside and I was looking for him so I decided to try to leave and so I had my car like hard to ready to go out on the street because I knew there was going to be an altercation of him. That's his motivation but I ran into him like when I was coming out the garage door and he grabbed me and showed me back in the house.

Sure that you have one. And so then he proceeded to argue for about an hour and 20 minutes and

“I tried to get out of the house three times and he grabbed on to my neck. Do you have any marks?”

I don't have any marks on that now. And then he had made a threat during the conversation that neither of us was getting out of the supply that he would kill me. He would kill himself. He did a very tracked that he would kill me and only kill himself. He said I have recorded this because I knew this was going to happen. He had a gun upstairs. Have you seen any weapons? Yeah, I've seen three weapons. Look, the kind of weapon though.

There's a gun that looks probably like a nine-millimeter or something, a silver one. I looked for it yesterday so I could get rid of it but I couldn't find it. There's a shotgun. But that isn't low. It's probably not even out of the box for a loaded, but the nine-millimeter probably is loaded wherever it is. And then there's in the garage but not in the house. There's another gun that looks like a semi-automatic when it looks like a hundred years old. I don't know if it has any

bolt on it. Basically he went through the whole hour telling me that he loved me. He wanted to

find a way to write this work out and then after he realized that it wasn't. He basically just was telling me that I needed to get the kids back. I told him that the kids were with the police because he knows I have caught friends and then so he allowed me a minute to make a phone call to my friends to have them bring the kids back but instead I ran. And I came here. I'm a new kids to you, haven't common. Where they there when this will go on?

Okay, how long have you been married? Oh, two years. Okay. No, when you say years or a whole other family, but that's for me a little bit. Basically he had in the fair the woman and they share a child in common and I don't know

what the extent of the relationship is with her. You know how old that child is?

“I think the kids are meant to probably like 20 months or something.”

Do you know her name or where she lives? Yeah, I have all that information with her. Do you think he would follow through on any of his threats? Yes. Okay.

And how often has things like this happen between the two of you?

I would say early in our marriage we would have altercations in but never with police involvement.

Has he ever been arrested for anything? Yeah, he has one arrest for assault a few years ago. And who did you assault? I don't know, I just discovered this in my recent investigative miniverse. Okay.

What's his phone name? David Michael Sweetman. Was anybody else present? Wanting on this for a long time? Are you said you had some of it reported?

I have the problem about things.

“Do you mind if I took a copy of the report reported off of them?”

Sure. I'm just going to put it up like a computer and just copy real quick

so you could maybe have this about.

Did they miss you? I got it. And have you thought about getting an order protection against him yet? I don't have one, but I thought about it. Are you going to go do that as well as possible?

Okay. Do you think I'm going to have any problems when I go over there with him? Yes. We're going to have problems you think about him. He has come to my house and he's very angry.

And he doesn't back down. And he's already said 50 times he's willing to kill himself. Okay. So you're definitely going to have a problem if he's there.

Well, she already told her that he has a house.

So he's married. I searched you up. Not a problem. I don't mind. I'm afraid he's going to hurt himself.

“And you should have three kids in common.”

How old are they? I'm there. I said one and eight. I'm just that they're all safe right now. Now, would you be willing to go and testify against him in court?

Or is this something that you might be fearful of? I will be fearful of it. Yeah. Okay. Well, if he's there, he's most likely going to go to jail tonight.

This is something that we take lightly when he threatens to kill you and himself. No, I mean, I'm afraid, I'm afraid. I feel like my little letter is ruined right now because he's going to be after him. And also, let my detective know that that your address redacted from our report.

If you think he's going to make me chase and you dial him. I may ask, as far as he gets out. Do you think they rest in no discrepanet of the morning? Well, it's a DV charge where he has to see a judge. And unfortunately, the threats right now only fall down their misdemeanors.

So there's a high probability that he'll be released. But they'll give you a phone call before they do that, so you know. Will you update me later? Or will I know what's going on? I'm going to be qualified if he's there when I get there and take him to jail.

Just so you're kept in the loop tonight. I'm going to fill a little more people. We now understand that Laura's friend who was a cop in another jurisdiction gave her some kind of recording device to capture this interaction. It's why the audio you're about to hear is so clear.

I'm going to play this audio in full as it was given to us. The only part I'm taking out is a moment where Dave shares something personal with his wife. I can't verify the claims that he's making. And I'm going to let you know where that part is in the clip. Just so you're super clear.

Now listen with care. Where are you? Are you in the bathroom? David!

, where are you? [Music] We're going to go talk. This isn't right.

What's not right about it, David?

You're right. It's not right. I understand. You're right. I understand.

Okay. You have another family. No. I don't have a family. I don't have another family.

I don't have another family. Okay. I've made mistakes. I agree. I have fucked up.

I have tried to fix my problems. Okay. I really fucking have. Okay.

I have to take responsibility for another kid.

I understand that. Okay. I have to fucking do something. Can you just let me go? No.

I don't know because I love you. I fucking love you more than anything in this world. I love my kids more than anything. I don't want to fuck up anything with them. No.

You're not fucking up anything with anybody else.

“The only thing I want is you and my kids.”

That's what I want. That's all. That's all I want is you and my kids. I don't know how to fix my other problems other than what I'm trying to do now. I'm trying to fix myself.

Okay. I'm really fucked up. I'm a really bad spot right now. Everything in my life is to shit. You're going to shoot myself in the head right now.

Okay. Go ahead. Take my kids for me or I don't want to take them away. I just know it. No.

No. That's what's going to happen. Don't want to take them away. I just want us to work them out of the healthy life. This is not healthy for me.

Okay. What? It's not healthy for me either.

“It hasn't been healthy for me for a long time or I've told you.”

The last time we had or the last few times we've had fights or you had. You don't love me. You have a love me. I love you more than anything in this world. I don't know what I have to do to prove that.

But you're my wife. I've never left you.

I've never wanted to leave you.

You're the only person you really think I can stay when you have a kid with someone else. Laura. Yes. I do think you can. I want you to and I'm begging you to.

What? What more can I do or say Laura? What more can I do or say I will do anything? I will fix anything that I can fix or you're what I want. I've never once ever considered not having you as my wife.

I would rather be dead than not have you. I love you and care about you more than anything. I just don't think you love me. And I don't think you love me for a long time and I really wish you did. I really really really wish you did because we have beautiful fucking great kids.

And I love them more than anything in this world also. My family is all I've got. That's all I've got. That's your kid too.

“You need to write a nice him and take care of him and he's their brother.”

How do I, how do I, how do I, how do I, how do I, how do I, how do I, how do I, how do I acknowledge with my wife and done that and with with with with with. And I am happy for him to be a part of your life. I don't, you can, she can live here. No, I don't. She can't, no, she can't, I don't want anything to do with her.

I, Jesus Christ. I have told her a hundred thousand times going to fuck him on. I mean, but that's not fair to him, David. You're right. You're not.

And I try, I, I've tried when I drop off money to her. I see him for a little while and that's it. And I can't afford this house anymore. I lost everything and I put all the bills this month on the credit card. And then you're going to go, sir.

No, my money doesn't go to her. It's only a few hundred dollars. And I'm supposed to get fucking my insurance amount.

I don't want a single thing.

I just want us to be nice to each other and share the kids. Or please, David. No, you don't. It feels like you don't. Please, don't do it.

David, I, I, I don't need to. I, I do not want to be mean to. I just cannot live. I can't live. I can't live. I will kill myself. I will kill myself.

Or I need you. You're my wife. Don't leave me. She's this price. I will do anything I can.

To fix it. There's no. No, no. I want you. I don't do anything to show you that you're my wife.

Or I've tried very hard. I really have.

“Do you have an idea what my life is like?”

Well, people have to call me near after a year after a year. Tell me who you're fucking every year. I'm not fucking people every year. That's not true. I don't have to live a life for people.

Track me down and tell me things.

First of all, people who try to hurt me.

People from my business that try to hurt me. Jesse. Kevin, because he's a. I found his fucking child porn on the goddamn fucking on the. The computer and I had to give it to his probation officer.

Kevin's out there hurt me. Bobby hates me because I. I fucking fired him. I mean, Laura, you do have to realize that there are people that really really want to see me burn. Jesse is special.

He's doing everything he can to burn me. And I'm certainly he's happy to call him. I wouldn't have squeezed out a black kid along the way. Would I be alive today? Laura.

No, David. It doesn't go both ways. You can kill me. Laura. Can I have some self-respect for the first time in my life?

I can't not live knowing that you have a kid with her. And then you you take my my stuff and you give it to her. I don't take stuff and give it to her. The rocking chair, the jobless role.

No, I'm my baby in that stuff.

And then it's a thickness, David. It's sick. Okay, then. Will you fucking help me please?

“I would love to help you and I would love to be your friend.”

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I'm not trying to hurt you. Laura, no one else has ever been in this house. No one else has ever been with me in this house.

I would never disrespect you that way.

I had never done anything like that. Yes, I've made a mistake. I agree. Can I please fix the problem, Laura? Please.

Get your money. Fix your problems. The problem I want to fix is right here. I want to fix the problem with you, Laura. I don't want any other problems.

I don't want any other shit. I want my family. Or this is the only good thing I got. Everything else has turned to shit. It really fucking has.

My business has been yanked out to money by vindicted people. Who are just trying to destroy me? Seriously. You might think that sounds like fucking paranoid, but it's a fact. It's a goddamn fact.

People are coming from every goddamn direction trying to fucking yank me down. They really fucking are.

“The only thing I've had in my life that's good is you and my children.”

Okay? And you're taking all that away from me. But you're taking that they're at a police station. They're at a police station, right? My children are a fucking police station. What's a fucking lady that they don't even know.

Right now, instead of with their father, who cares about them more than anything. Or a police, don't do this. Please. Look at me, please. Please.

Please, I love you. I really do. I look. I acknowledge I've made fucking mistakes. I'm not fucking perfect.

I'm nowhere near perfect. I don't even. I can't even see perfect for where I'm at. But could you please. Please acknowledge the fact that you know I love you.

You know I love you. Don't you? I love you and care about you more than anything, Laura. I do.

I won't even I care about you more than anything, Laura.

“You and my kids are the only thing in my life.”

That's worth anything to me. And I will do anything to keep it. Okay, well, anything, I mean, give me a break, David. And prove it to me. Fix your problems.

You're not coming back. You won't come back, Laura. You're going to walk out right now. And what's going to happen is, like you said, you're done paying for everything. The house you're going to get foreclosed on.

I'm going to, I'm going to end up being a hermit somewhere.

And, and my kids will never, I'll end up shooting myself in the fucking forehead or drinking

myself to death. And then you'll be happy. If you want me to kill myself, just say someone I'll do it now. And I'm not joking. I've got a gun upstairs.

I'll kill myself. Will that make you happy? No, David. I want us to do the best thing for the kids. No, I want to, Laura, Jesus, I care about you so much.

Don't leave me. You're the only person that I've trusted and cared about for 25 years, Laura. We've been together since we're kids. I care about you more than anything. But my life sucks, David.

So does mine. Can we, can we work together and fix it? Please?

“I think I deserve something else than people telling me all the time.”

First of all, you do deserve better and I apologize. You deserve better. People should never, these pieces of shit that would call you and say these things, or pieces of shit. Okay?

I agree. And I'll get them. Okay.

They're trying anything that, can you see that they're trying anything they can to hurt me?

Nothing will make them happier than you to leave me. All it does is hurt me. Okay. It's not as bad as you're making it out to be, though. It's not time after time after time after time after time after time.

I've made mistakes. I agree. But I'm not perfect. I agree. But I mean, it's not like I went searching for anything.

Accidents have happened. Mistakes have been made. I swear to God. Mistakes have been made. And if they were mistakes.

They're not, they're, I am not perfect. I agree. Okay. I've made mistakes.

“But it's not like I'm, I'm, I'm reading it a double life.”

It's not like I'm living somewhere else. You are leaving a double life. You visit early, bring her money. And the last few weeks.

I've had like 14 dollars to buy groceries.

And she gets your money. Ask me for money. I give her money at the start of the month to help with him. Okay? She has a job.

I've given her money. What about me? Like, that's our money. Okay, you're right. You're right, Bob.

I've got nothing. I have nothing. I have this house, which is a news around my neck. And that's it. And I go to work all day.

And then I bring you new dinner upstairs. And I have nothing. I have my children. And I have my job. And I just try to put my feet every day.

I lay my bed. I'll let you if I can just get my foot on the ground. Then. Okay. Then what?

Let's fix this together. Please. Please. Please. Please.

I don't want it. I'll give you all every ounce, every penny of money I've got. I don't care about money. I just want to have a date. Where I have more than $14 to buy groceries.

Okay. All right. I've been going to fuck all the money. Okay. And I have nothing.

Okay. I agree. We've had this problem for a while. Okay. Fine.

With her. She has groceries. She has her own job. I give her $300 a month. Okay.

I'm not rich. I'm barely making it. I'm barely fucking surviving. My business is going in the tank. So what?

What did you think was going to happen like? I didn't know. I didn't know how I was going to explain. And why would you hide your son? He's your son.

Why would he be because I love you and I care about you and I didn't want to hurt you. And I'm embarrassed. But at this point, try doesn't mean to God damn thing to me. I'm embarrassed beyond all embarrassment. I didn't know what to do or how to do it.

Okay. She used to be Macy's girlfriend. Oh, you already know the whole story? Do you know everything? No, go ahead and tell me.

Okay. She was Macy's girlfriend. I was Macy's friend. We ended up just somehow it. It ended up where it ended up.

Okay. She refused to have an abortion. And there it is. I'm stuck with the goddamn kid. I wanted more than anything to not have another child.

Starting businesses with her and my kids names and her names all over everything together. Like you're a family. No. No.

“That right there was down there at the coffee shop.”

Okay. That was I had to start the LLC. She demanded to be a part of the LLC. I said, here. Fine.

If you can run this great and if you can make any money great and it never worked out.

Not for my kids names with her. Okay. Her kids names are on the LLC and she ever tried to do something where she tried to take anything that wasn't hers. Okay.

That way she's not a majority on. I'm not trying. I've never tried to be Mr. Subursive about anything. And I knew someday I'd have to confront this issue. And I didn't know how I was going to do it.

And it really weighed heavy on me. I don't know. I have no idea. Or had no idea how the hell I would deal with this. This is a huge problem and a huge embarrassment.

I don't know what to do. It's embarrassing to me. I know. I know. I know.

I like the biggest fucking loser of the family. No, you're not. Yeah, I am. Come on. Don't.

Don't. I don't. I don't. I don't even hate you. I just.

Jesus Christ.

I just can't you see that.

I want to be alone. I don't want you to be alone.

“That's the thing that I've never wanted.”

I've wanted to be with you. I love you. I love you. I've wanted us to be together for the longest time. Okay.

But everywhere I go, people are telling me that you're with other people. Who is saying this? Who is saying this? It's everybody everywhere. Everybody everywhere is saying that that I'm with other people.

Or I'm not. I'm with you. You're my wife. You're what I care about. You're who I love.

I'm granted. I haven't felt well back for a long time. But I've wanted that. I figured maybe once, you know, we got this house situation worked out. Then, you know, we, you know, things would be a little bit better for us.

Okay. You're not. I have nothing. I've no retirement plan.

I have $400,000 of tax debt.

And it would come after me. You don't know what you're talking about me. Because I don't only want you to pay check. Hold on a second. There's no one's coming after you.

This is getting handled. I don't know what you're talking about. I don't know what you're talking about. I don't know what you're talking about. I don't know what you're talking about.

“You don't know what you're talking about.”

I don't know what you're talking about. I don't know what you're talking about. I don't know what you're talking about. Hold on a second. There's no one's coming after you.

This is getting handled. This is being handled by Fred. I've got the word here's name. I've got the word here's name. He's handling it.

He's really. Hey. This is being handled. Okay. You don't have $400,000 of tax debt.

Don't think that this isn't way on my head that they're. That it's sitting out there. But I'm handling it. I'm handling this. Okay.

When I talk to a lawyer, he said they'll leave me $2,000 a month until live on. And then I'm going to be the person paying that back. You don't have $400,000 of tax debt. You don't have $400,000 of tax debt. Okay.

The IRS. What they did was they didn't accept those two years worth of of taxes because they were repetitive. The tax changed that they made the $24,000. Then what they do is they take that. And then they just they disallow the next two years.

Okay. This is being fixed. I swear it. This is being fixed. Okay.

I've already paid the attorney. I paid him a year and a half ago. Okay. I am working to fix these problems. I really am.

Okay. Well, then come and find me when they're fixed. I can't even find my kids. You've taken my kids away from me or I don't want to come and find you. I wish you would work with me.

I've been working with you and I'd love to see you tomorrow at wrestling. We're no, don't know. What can we be a family? What can't. What.

All I want is you. I want you to love me. I want you to love me. I've wanted that. That's all I've wanted is you to love me.

I haven't felt it for a long time. I don't know you that honestly. I mean, I know you're, I know you're stressed and you're having a hard time. But I really am. I do have plans to fix that and I did want to fix that.

And I still do want to fix that. I want us to be happy family.

And then, you know, I probably am going to be able to work very much.

Because I'm not going to have any money to put back into the business. And that's going to, you know, I'll just have to sell things off as they go. But then at least we don't have that enormous, you know, you know, house bill. I really do have plans to fix this. I don't know how to fix that.

I can't, I don't know how to deal with that. I, I want, okay, could, could you forgive me? I love you. I know that much.

“If I could, for it's a black kid, would you forgive me?”

Or if it meant, if it meant you not leaving and our family's thing together, I'd have to deal with it. I would have to deal with it. That's not bullshit. I would be hurt.

I would be devastated.

I'd be feeling all the same things to your feeling.

But I would still love you because you're the person I love that I'm married. Because I love you. And because I cared about you. And we've been, we've been through so much. I can't, I can't even imagine being with anybody else.

I can't imagine wanting to be with anybody else. I don't want to be with anybody else. I don't want to be with anybody else. I don't want to be with anybody else. Okay, it's, it's, it's so more defined.

I know, I know. I know. Believe me, I know.

“There isn't anything that I don't know better.”

I know that.

But how can I, how can I come to you and say,

Jesus, honey, guess what I did? I fucked up again. Not only is everything else in turmoil, but I'm a complete fucking idiot. And look at this enormous fucking blemish mistake I've made. And I knew it was only a matter of time before somebody fucking decided to, to, you know, really stick it in my side and call you.

It's your phone, I said it down there. It was in my hand. That's gotta be your, your police friends. No, I'm not a call. Okay.

So as you can see, I have no friends on the entire universe. Okay. They give two shits about me. Everyone's off the fucking stabbing the back. I am not trying to fucking hurt us to make those kids have a great life and help them with their careers and the rustling and everything. And I think we can do that.

But there's no way we can do that separately. We can't do that separately. We can't do that separately. No, every, every family that breaks up the kids are destroyed by it. You know that.

You know that. You know that as a fact that broken homes are terrible. Look at what Robin has, hasn't made a good one. I'm not vindictive like her. Yeah, well, things like that happen.

And I'm a piece of shit that would be vindictive because as soon as you're with somebody else, I'm going to lose it. But that's going to happen. It will happen. Or you've turned yourself into a beautiful woman. You all you care about is working out and being in shape.

“Because otherwise, it's an antidepressant because it's the only thing that makes me feel better.”

Well, I wish I could fucking make you feel better. Look at what's happening to me. I've just turned to shit because I have no fucking dignity or self-respect about myself. I don't care about myself. Can you do everything with you?

Will you help me? But I'm not saying that. Do you have it? Okay. No.

No. No. No. No. No.

Let's work together and make it better. Let's work together and fix it. Let's work together. Please. Let's work together.

And doing all I can. Okay. And I died in my room and I didn't fucking care. Okay. That's how bad it is.

When I had a heart attack. I knew what was happening and I died. I thought I died in there. And then you know what happened? It was woke up the next day.

Because then you took it about. When I was sick. When was this? The first time you had a heart attack? My past out.

I thought I was just done. And you know what? I didn't care. Because at that point, I would have rather been dead. This is like a year ago.

I knew when you took the baby stuff that you had a baby and I knew you had it with her. And this whole time I've been thinking that I'm crazy. Because you had 14 stories about what you were doing with the stuff. And I knew you were with her.

I always know when you're with somebody.

Okay. I'm not with her. I'm not with anybody. I'm with you. First of all, I'm not with her.

You mean everything to me. You're the only woman in the world that ever has meant anything to me. But you can't force me into the situation, David. But I'm going to try.

“Well, I care about you. You're the only thing I care about.”

I would rather see us both dead than art now. I rather see me dead than not have you in my life. Because my children are going to be destroyed by this. They're going to be destroyed from this. And it's all my fault.

My children's lives are going to be fucked up because of this. I fucked up everything with you. I fucked up everything with my kids. Everything. I was like to help you.

I just can't stay here, please.

I don't want you to go, Laura. I don't want you to go. I don't want you to go. I don't want you to take my kids. I don't want you to go.

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That's the only thing I want.

“I don't want anything that would jeopardize us.”

I love you and care about you more than anything. I really do. I love you and care about you more than anything this entire world or and I would do anything to prove that. I don't want anything but you and my children in my life.

And the only reason why I even had to deal with this other person is is because there's a kid there and yes, it's an enormous mistake. But I do have to do have to take responsibility for the kid in some way.

But I've never brought it up to and I've never admitted this terrible problem

because of the problem it's going to cause me. Because I don't want to lose my family. I don't want to lose you. I love you. I love my kids.

This is all I want. Is you and my children. It really is. It really really is. What can I do?

What can I do? Please tell me. I don't know.

“I think you have the potential to be a great dad.”

You are a great dad. You need to be a dad to that kid. How can I have been a good husband? I have been a good husband. I have been a good husband.

I haven't been a perfect husband. But I've been a good husband. There are a whole lot worse husbands out there. I admit I've got issues because of how my mom fucked me up. I've got issues.

I've got some deep dark stuff that I've never told you.

I've got problems and I don't know how to deal with. But you know. What do you want to tell me?

“I mean, there's stuff that you need to save and get it off your chest.”

What? What? It's really embarrassing. I've been your friends since I was 16 years old. I know what I've never told you before.

What?

This is the part of the recording where Dave shares something personal with Laura.

Look, I know I'm fucked up. Okay. I know I'm fucked up. Okay. Everybody fucking leaves me.

My mom left me. My grandma died. I'm here with you. [Sighs] [Sighs]

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“I think we should just work on a better situation for our kids, you know?”

Laura? [Sighs] I'm... I'm fucked up. I'm so fucked up, okay?

[Sighs] There's a lot of shit wrong with me.

Will you please help me fix my family?

I would love to help you. Will you please stay my wife? Will you please stay my wife? Yes, I can't much more than anything, Laura. I need to be fixing myself.

[Sighs] What about me and me? Please, I know. I will do anything to help. I will do anything.

I will do anything. Please don't leave. Please don't take my kids. Please. I will do anything.

David, we're all just going together. I'll pour my heart out to a psychiatrist. I'll tell them everything and I will get better. I will get better. I will do anything.

I will do anything to keep you. Anything. Please don't leave. Please. Please.

Please.

“You're the only thing I want in this entire world.”

What about my... I know help. Okay. Whatever. I will do anything to make that better.

To make it better for you. I will do anything to make it better. I will do anything to make it better. I will get help. I will be the best husband in the world to you.

I will be who I've never been.

I will do anything. Please. Please. You're the only thing I care about. I don't care about anything in this world except you at this point in my life.

And my kids, of course. These are the things that I care about. More than anything. I want you to love me again. Okay.

We can work on it, David. But I need some recovery time. I...you cannot imagine what I have been through with us. It's not a very easy thing to get over your spouse having a kid. But somebody else gets not a joke.

David. I know it's not. Laura. I know I made a mistake. I know I made enormous mistake.

A huge mistake.

The biggest mistake ever.

And there's no way for me to fix it. There's no way for me to... There's no way that you don't... I can't just fix that. I begged and pleaded with this person to please not have a child.

Please. Don't have a child. Please. Please. This is going to destroy my life.

Someday it's going to come up and destroy my life.

“You're not going to tell anybody about that, are you?”

No. I don't think so. You're not going to tell anybody about that, are you? No. I would like to help you.

I want a great life for our kids. I want us to get along. That's what I really want. But you don't want anything to do with me. But I do not want to live in this house with you right now.

But we have major problems. And I... I can barely function right now. I feel the same way. But I have to.

And then it got to the point. My student loans could have different anymore. There's nothing. I've just... And imagine myself a steam.

Imagine how I feel. For one second. No, I'm not good enough for you. No, I can't. I can't.

The bills. I can't. I'm just... I... I drive so hard.

So many hours every day. I know. And it's never enough. I know. It's not that you're not going to have.

Don't ever take it. Well, that's how it feels to do that. But I... I'm... But...

I know what I do. I don't want to do it, sir. You know what I felt? I feel like I haven't been alone. And I feel like I'm not good enough.

You're... You're... You're wildly talented. You're... You're...

You're beautiful. And then... I...

“I was so excited to tell you about the top.”

Dock thing and you said, "Oh, hey, that's just... You probably just made a mistake." I was just... I mean... I was joking.

But it just... Oh, my God. I was... So excited for myself. Sorry.

Since the biggest deal. I expected. Oh, my God. You're... Jesus Christ.

You did it every time. You're... God. What do you mean?

How do you not have the highest self-esteem?

Look at yourself. You're the most talented person I know. You're so accomplished, you're so good-working. And we'll get me. I've just turned to shit.

Everything in my life has turned to shit. Haven't you noticed I've gained like fucking 30 pounds in the past year or so? I know. Haven't you noticed how much I'm drinking? I know.

And you know what that makes me feel like. But I'm not good enough. I know.

“You happy because then you have to drink just to be around it.”

No. I have to drink to escape the problems I've done.

Because I don't know how to come to you for help.

I mean, I've got plans in the back of my head. I'm trying to make them all work out. But it's like when I tell you about the plan, you're... When I told you I wanted to buy the house. But every single thing you do is illegal.

No, it's not. Every single... I don't do everything illegal. What do I do that's illegal? My business isn't illegal. It's not a perfect but it's not illegal.

It's not illegal. What about the five? That's not... I'm not responsible for that. Are you blaming me for that? I don't know.

I'm asking you about it. Not blaming me. No.

Why would you blame me for that?

I'm asking you. I was here. You were here with me. We were here. I have nothing to do with it.

For all I know fucking Jesse and Chris fuckin' set the place on fire to fuck me then. I'm not trying to go to prison, Laura. I'm not trying to fucking be away from my family.

“I just sometimes it seems like if we just did things rationally, you know?”

And I don't understand what's going on with your business. I mean, just nothing makes sense. I don't do things irrationally. I've granted, I'm not the most brilliant business man in the world, but... I mean, the tax thing is getting fixed.

It is. It really is. The fucking, the, the attorney I had to give him the stuff last week. The stuff that they sent back to us. I gave it to him last week.

He said that that's coming up. You can call him. You can call him and ask him if you don't believe him. He's handling that fucking, the, the, the, it's, it's like an independent arbitrator. He's handling it.

Okay. I swear to you. That's being handled. I talked to the, the guy from the insurance company. The, well, there's two different insurance companies.

“But he's got approval already this week.”

He's, I heard from him on Thursday. This week, he's supposed to send me a check for $30,000. For, for the one truck. That's 80% of it because he can do that right away. And then he's got to send me the other 20% of it.

And then the big truck is probably going to take another week because he has to get approval. But that's, that's like $150,000. Okay. And the attorneys on the attorney of, for the, the other insurance company. He says that that has been kicked to a supervisor on, on the insurance company's side.

And that that guy's going to more of the likely cut a check on that. And then, well, when we do that, that'll be like $400,000. We can buy the house. Or we'll buy another house. Whatever whatever you want.

I'll give it off to you. You can have it. You can be in control of everything. I don't care. I don't want it.

I just, I just don't want to lose you and my family. Because believe it or not, I really do love you. Believe it or not.

I know I'm not perfect.

I know I've made a lot of fucking stupid mistakes.

I mean, a lot of stupid mistakes. I know it. But I really do care about you. And I really do only want you in this world. That's all I want.

You and my kids. That's it. I mean, I want you to love me. I wish you loved me more physically. I really do.

“Honestly, or I'm looking at swear to you.”

I really wish you loved me physically. I mean, I know I'm not attractive. I know I know, you know. But I'll get in shape. I'll do whatever I have to do.

I'll find you to get in shape. Do you know to be more attractive? I will. If I'm not attractive, I'll do anything I have to do.

The problem is, I know I've lost my own self-respect.

And it's hard for me to be attracted to you when I'm thinking about you being with her. Okay. That's a big mental barrier. You'll just said yourself. You wouldn't be able to handle me being with someone else.

You'd lose it. Well, I've lost it. I would lose it. But I've lost it. Okay.

But I would regroup because I don't want to lose my family. And I don't want to lose the woman I love. I don't want to lose that. Why would I lose it? Why would I lose it?

Because I don't want to lose the woman that I care about. That's why I would lose it. I don't want to lose.

Who I love and care about.

And who I want to be with. That's what I don't want to lose. I don't want to lose that. Because you really are the person that I love. You're my wife, Laura.

And you think if I loved some other woman, why wouldn't I just leave? Why wouldn't I just try to take half your money and leave? Why wouldn't I do that?

“Why would I even be here arguing and pleading with you and telling you my deepest and darkest fucking secret?”

If, if, if, if, if I wanted anything other than you? I'm sure there's some fucking shester divorce attorneys say, hey, you helped her all this time. You could get half of that. Why, why wouldn't I, why wouldn't I do that if I wanted that? I don't want anything but you.

You're what I want. I don't care about any that other shit. I want you and my children. I want my family. That's the only thing in this world that I want.

And I know you're probably not being honest with me when you're telling me that you're not seeing another guy. You had to have guys come over here and move all the stuff out. And I know you're probably not being honest with me when you're telling me that you're not seeing another guy. You had to have guys come over here and move all the stuff out. I paid you over.

I haven't seen it. Malcolm. But if you did, I wouldn't fucking be happy. You're right. I fucking lose it.

But I, I would have to find way to get past it. I don't know how do you do this. I'm not here. That's all this is doing to me. It's hurting me.

Just sticking to it. I got to give you that one. You're sticking to it. I don't want to lose you. I don't want to lose my kids.

“Then I said, I want to create the best scenario that can.”

It's the most positive for them with two parents that love them. I don't fight about it. And you want to take them to wrestling. You want to take them to football. And I'm going to be right there.

No, I want my kids. I want to, I want to wake up in the house with them. I want to be in the house when they go to sleep. I want, you know, when they wake up in the middle of the night. You know, when I come out and I say, hey, what you're doing.

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“But I've never been faced with the fact of having to lose you.”

There's tough this year.

They're going to be here.

Whatever night you want. Yeah. You can do sports with them every night. And I will be there. Every night.

Or I want you as well. I want you. So tell me what track I have to get on to get you back. I want you to let them walk out this door. I'm sitting on the floor.

And we can talk tomorrow. We can talk the next day. We can talk every day. You don't. You won't.

You won't come back. You don't. You don't. I'm pretty sure we hide it pretty good. Do you?

Really? Yes. We're time you're horribly upset with them. You get to head. It can throw us up.

He feeds off us all the time. And then when I spent a lot. I need to get ahead and control up on when did he do this? He's still not clear four times for something. After you get a lot of them.

He goes straight to throws up his dinner and throws up in the bathroom. He's a lot of stress on that kid. And then in another weird way. When I'm spending a lot of time with them. They'll be like after spring break or something.

And I'm like trying to be like so positive with him. He goes back to school. It's in a ton of trouble when I ask him why. He says because I don't want to be with you. Mom, I want to.

I want to do the fun things that was in the last weekend or something. And then I feel like I'm like overcompensating. You know what I mean?

It's just like it's never ending.

And this is going to work out so well with us apart.

“Well hey, if you want to fuck up the kids.”

You want to have a fuck up kids. And you want to go out and do whatever you want to do. And you want to see me run off the edge. Then go ahead. You got to do what you got here.

I took your keys by the way. Because I didn't want you to go with me. Go do what you got to do. I have to go. And I don't want to fight.

No, I know you don't want to fight with me. You just want to do this. And it's. And I want to see you tomorrow. No, you don't.

You don't. You don't. You don't. What are my kids coming home? Because that's all I'm going to have to care about.

Because you don't. You.

It's clear you don't care about me.

But every day as you want to. I want to. I want them. I want them every night this week. And then I have the weekend.

I mean, the thing is. No, I want my children. You said I can have them any time. I want them. I want them.

I want my children. Okay. I don't know. I don't know. Is half and half.

Or I don't know. The law isn't. Or you see you're just telling me.

“You don't want to be vindictive and hurt me.”

But that's exactly what you're doing. When you're taking my kids away from me. That's what you're doing. You're hurting me. You're taking my children away from me.

You're hurting me. You're right now. What you're doing is you're taking an opportunity. To lead me with everything hanging over my head. And.

Here you go. There you go. There you go. There you go. There you go.

There you go. There you go. There you go. Now all that. You know.

This is exactly what everybody's wanted. This is what exactly what we're. Everyone who's been stabbed in the eye has been open for. This is great. This is exactly it.

It's great. They can come home tomorrow after the last one. And a little. I want my children tonight. We'll both see them every day.

I want my children to. I want them to wake them and go to school. They're going to wake them when Stacy gets there. Take them to school. That'll be it.

I want my children. I want my children tonight. You're going to leave me alone in this house. You're going to take my kids and just run off. Do what it to somebody.

Some strange house. I don't even know where my kids are. I don't even know where they are. And some strange house.

I want them in their house tonight.

I don't want my. I don't want my children away. If you want us.

“If you're going to fuck me and destroy me and hurt me.”

That's fine. I'm going to have to pick up my ass and live with it. Okay. I don't know what else to do. That's all I can do.

I wish I could do anything to fix this. But you're telling me that it's just not going to happen. I see it. I smell it. I feel it.

It's not going to happen. You're not going to. You're not going to forgive me. You're not going to give me a chance. You're not.

You know it. So you've said it. That's it. You've got the papers.

You're going to file on and that's it.

You're just waiting to do this to me. I want my children. I want them here. I want them in the house. This isn't fair to me.

It's not. This is not fair.

“And I understand that me saying something fair is not.”

Probably the right terminology that I should be using. Because I haven't been fair to you. But I want my kids. These are my kids. I love them and care about them.

I don't want them in some strange house. They should be in their beds. Wake up in their beds. Go to school. I want my children here.

This isn't fair. This isn't fair to them. You want to talk about not doing things to them. That's exactly what this is doing. The first second of this.

What you're doing here is destroying. I'll tell you what for all the mistakes I've made. The last thing I wanted is to destroy my family. That's the last thing in the rule that I wanted. The last thing is to destroy my family.

I don't want them hurt. I never wanted you hurt. Never. Once have I wanted you hurt.

“That's why I'm obviously concealed everything.”

Because I never wanted you hurt.

Ever. Because I care about you and I love you. But I love my kids too. They're a piece of me. I can't meet without my children.

If you've got to go then you've got to go. And you've got to go be saying that's fine. But I've got. I've got to have my children. These are my sons.

These are a piece of me. These are only things in this world that are proof that I've been here. There's I have nothing else. I have no family. Nothing.

Fucking. I've got to have that uncle. Are you kidding me? This is the family. This is the only family I've got are those boys.

That's what I love. That's what I care about. You can't take them from me. You cannot. I'm not going to.

I'm not going to. No. I'm not going to go for that one. A lot of things will happen before. My kids will be taken from me.

You can go spend the night. You took off friends house. Data cop. Whatever you've got to do, but my kids are going to be with me. Come hell or high water.

I'm sorry, but I've got to fight me now. These are my children. And if it takes me to do something crazy, I'll do it. Because you know I'm capable of it. And you know I love my children.

Those are the two things you're not going to cross. Do not take my children. Do you understand me? Do you understand me? Where are my children?

I'll get them. No. I'll get them. I won't my children. I'm not going to just trust you.

Where are my children? They're with the police. You have the police bring them here. No, you can do this here. Let me step up.

At this point, Laura steps out and makes a call to the person who has her kids. And then the audio cuts off. When the deputies go to arrest Dave, they have not listened to this whole recording yet. But they show up with a huge police presence. Mostly because of the threats Laura accused Dave of making and the weapons that she said he had.

The following bodycam audio of their conversation with Dave has been edited for time and clarity. And it's going to pick up at the point where Dave has already been put in handcuffs. The reason I'm here is your wife after she left.

Where she alleged that you would literally try to choke her a couple times.

“Every time she would go out the door, you would grab her by the throw and pull her back in while you guys talked for about an hour and a half.”

I'm talking about what she's alleging. She said during which time you threatened that neither one of you would get out of her alive. You kill her and yourself. Then you took that back and said you would only kill yourself. That and itself I have a problem with because I don't want to.

I didn't kill her, I didn't touch her, I didn't grab her. I asked her if she wanted me. You know, I was at that point I get home from a trip, you know, taking my children to a wrestling tournament. Gone all weekend and I'm slapped in the face with mistakes that I've made. What started the whole thing tonight?

She handed me a notebook saying that the reason why she's leaving is because I've had it affair. I told her that I wanted to make it right, I wanted to make it better. I didn't want to leave, please don't grab me. And in the, in the, you know, what I kill myself thing, I asked if that was something that she wanted. I'm like, what do you want me to do?

Do you want me to shoot myself? What do you want me to do? What do I need to do to prove to you how much I love you care about you? Okay.

Hey, of course a conversation.

Did you make reference to killing both of you and her or no? Absolutely. Absolutely.

“And in fact, I didn't even say I would film my, I asked if that's what she wanted.”

Okay. Because I have an hour and I think 20 minutes or the audio recordings I haven't listened to yet. It has the whole conversation you guys have. Okay. That's why I'm asking you before I go and spring an hour and 20 minutes listening to it.

What am I going to shoot around there? No, no. I don't think I, I'm sitting there. I don't think I would film her ever. No.

You don't think or you didn't. I don't think I did. Okay. Well look, I was really upset and I was, you know. Right.

Very, very, very, very upset. Okay, but she was very fearful when she was talking to me, which is why you see. Sure. The police presence you see here when I came to talk to you. I understood.

It's because she was worried that you might do something when we get here. Whether it be there's like shoot at us, shoot yourself. All the things that we wanted to prevent. That's why there was a show of force. I hear you.

I hear you. You've got to do your job. I'd rather be here with a bunch of cops and nothing happened to them be here by myself when I have to wait for somebody to show up. Sure.

Understood. Understood. A lot of crazy stuff going on. I don't know. No, I like to sit.

I, you know, I, I don't think I ever sat with you. Okay.

And I, obviously, I would never do that.

But simple fact, this is the mother's my children. I love her very much and I care for her real well. Unfortunately, people do stupid things. You see it on the news all the time. People love each other and they still shoot each other.

You're right. You're right. In moments of anger and, yeah, a lot. Yeah, irrational, irrational thinking. Yeah.

I don't understand. And sure, I was at that point. I was probably very irrational. But not to the point where I'm going to punch her or choke her or any of that stare. Okay.

Would you have said anything to make her concerned that you would be coming after her to where she would have to be fearful of you? Well, I did say, you know, hey, I'm not going to let you take my kids. Okay. I'm not going to let you take my kids.

You know, I'm not going to let you take my kids. Was there any threat in the other bodily harm, not the extent of killing her,

“but something else that she would have been fearful of?”

What is that? That's what I'm asking you to. Like if she was to take the kids where you took her. No, no, no. I mean, obviously, I mean, if she's going to leave,

and I can't get her to forgive me and understand, you know, and she's passed the point of understanding. Then, okay. Then, you know, I've got to go into, yeah, I've got to fight for my kids.

Okay. I've got to fight for my kids. I've got to get an attorney. I mean, if you look on my phone, that's, you know, when you call this what I was doing,

I was looking up Arizona divorce law. Okay. You know, I reconstructed on my phone, you know? Then how many kids do you share together? Three.

Three. And how long have you guys been married? Since 1990. On. So long time.

Yes. 2012. I was there any type of field physical altercation

you were putting her hands on you or anything.

Um.

“No, I mean, when the only time we ever even got”

body to body was. Um. Was I, you know, I hugged her, and she didn't want to hug me back. Okay.

And then one was this tug as you call it. What was that? Well, ask, I have to kind of have it all laid out. I got to. As you have.

I got to get things from your perspective. I got to. Um. She. Um.

Was it like at the door? And did you pull her back inside when you did it? What?

Tell me what happened there.

Um. Okay. So I knew something was going on. Okay. Um.

When I first came home. She. Um. She immediately took the kid and said, "We're going to Walmart."

So I was just like, "Okay." So I go in the house. I'm starting to put stuff in. And the bedroom door is locked. I'm like, "Okay."

I'm looking around for one of those little things to open the door. Can't find it. So I go around to the back door. And I go in there. The bedroom.

And everything's gone. And I'm like, "Oh, shit. What would you just happen to you?" So I start calling her. I'm like, "Hey, you know, are you still a Walmart?"

No. Okay. I'm like, "Okay." What time you come back and you bring a pizza? You know, I'm trying to feel what's going on here.

Okay. She says, "Sure. Bring a pizza." So it had been a while. So I'm getting ready to leave.

“So, you know, because I think maybe she's at another friend's house.”

Our friend for her house. Okay. Um. So I pull out. I see her pulling.

So I pull in. Um. You know, I turn around and come back. Um, she said, "Your pizza's upstairs. Um, and I met her at the garage.

To the house door." Okay. She was coming out. And I'm like, "Hey, what's wrong?" Because I knew someone was going on.

She hands me. This and says, "Um, something to the effect of, I can't do this anymore." Um, and we start talking. Um, we, you know, and, and I'm just, you know, I don't, I don't, you know, strike her or anything.

I, you know, I know I did put my arms around here. I'm like, "Hey, you know, come on. Let's talk. Let's talk. Um, we move into the waving room.

Um. We're talking there. Uh. But, but before, hold on. But before, um, I, um, I, um, I went in the house.

So what in the house, I reached into her, um, her car and I took the car keys. Which was her car. Well, it's not here at the top, at all. Okay. I took the car keys, but it might pocket because I wanted to talk to her.

Okay. Um. Uh, so we, we get towards the back door. Um, we're talking. Um.

I don't remember everything that was said, um, you know, basically I'm pleading.

Okay. Um, you know, to, you know, give me another chance. I would. You know, what? What?

She has the dog.

“You know, I think she's going to take the dog for walks.”

We start to walk outside. And then, um, well, I'm sorry. Um, I was, I was like towards the driveway side. And she, um, she, I don't know if like the, she was letting the dog go or what, but she, like, started to bolt that way. And I'm like, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right, right.

Um, I love you, I want to talk to you. And, you know, we talked for a while longer. And, you know, when I, you know, buried my soul. And she's just like, you know, you know, I don't want to do this. I don't want to, you know, I'm, I'm like, okay, you know, I give her back her keys.

I'm like, if you're going, you're going. You know, you got to go, you got to go. She didn't know I had the keys. I took them on my pocket. You're going to need these.

And get her. You added in point. Take her phone away from her. Uh, and I didn't take her phone from her. She, she carries two phones button.

Okay. Um, I, I, I had my arms around. I was hugging her.

And her phone is in one of those little slip things.

Um, and it slipped in my hand. I just set it down. Okay. And I, and I, and I, in fact, told her. I'm like, just like the, your phone went off or something like that.

And she didn't realize it. And I'm like, you know, what's over here. It's on the couch. I set it down. I didn't realize, you know, I was more focused on talking to her.

But she still had another phone, probably. Um, I mean, if she really felt scared of her life, she could, called her, you know. Now, during her conversation with her while you were inside,

“did you stand between her and the door to make her think she couldn't leave?”

No, I, I sat on the ground. I was sitting on the ground. Where? In the home to the house. I was.

I was.

Oh, I, I, I, I, the couple times I lean back on to the.

I, I, I, I think I have it. Oh, tell me, come. Like the bar. Okay. Like the kitchen area?

Yes. Okay. And she was, she was sitting on the edge of the couch by the door. Okay. While I was talking to her.

And I mean, if she, you know, if you wanted to, you know, she could walk right out. And I think I made reference to that, you know, if you're, you know, if you're going to walk out and you can walk out. You know, I'm, you know, I love you. I'm trying to salvage this. You're going to.

I'm kind of home. So, you know, that would be it. I'm bringing it back. Okay. And then she, I told her to, you know, I'm like, hey, you know, she's like, you can have the

kitchen. You come. You know, I want him. You know, I want him now. I want him tonight, you know.

You know, they're, they're, they're, you know, she told me she, she left them with her friend. You know, the cop. Who's going to, you know, take them to the police station. Like my kid. No, they don't know what's going on with, with their dad.

They don't know anything.

“Do you or her have any kids, many other relationships?”

Um, I do. Which is, or the problem. Okay, what about her? Because she, have any kids from any other relationship or just a three that you guys have? No, she, no, she is.

Okay. I mean, I've known her since she was. Oh, I'm just asking. So I just want to count for everything. Okay.

Yeah.

Um, so that's, you know, let's basically it.

And I'm just like, you know, where are my kids? You know, I want my kids. I want them tonight. I want my kids. She's like, okay.

Well, let me, let me go, let me go call. I'm like, I'm like, no, have your friend bring the kids here. Yeah, let me, she's like, let me go pick them up and bring them. I'm not, no, have your, have your friend bring them here. We'll go get them.

You know, I don't trust that. And that's right, fully so. So she goes outside. She, um, I don't know if she's famed to make a phone call or actually made a phone call. But then, you know, I sat inside for, you know, 10, 15 minutes before, you know,

I plucked outside. No one would already know that she left. Okay. Up until today, have you guys had any other problems? I've been arguing more lately.

And you know, not that. Not actually, no. I mean, we, I mean, we're civil to each other. I mean, we haven't been perfect. But on the closest time we've had to, you know, any, any argument was probably Jesus.

Eight months ago, um, and we just, you know, I thought at that point, maybe we were going to, you know, you know, get the skits. Um, you know, it's just like, you know, I, you know, I want to have my kids, if, you know, phone, I can be together. I want to have, you know, primary custom kids.

Okay. Which I do believe is the, you know, honestly now on hindsight, I believe that this entire night was one year to, you know, to make me look like a jackass, which as well as far as the kids go, I don't know what I'm doing doesn't determine who gets custody of who or anything. That has to go through a family court judge in the family court judge has to decide that.

There's nothing to do with what's going on right now, who has custody of the kids. Honestly, if she's going to try, you know, she's obviously trying to get me in the trouble. If she can get me in the trouble, then that, you know, that weighs against me. All right. Again, this is a criminal side versus the family court side. Well, I mean, yeah, they can tie together, but this, if I'm a criminal,

they're not going to be, this won't be a deciding factor if you're going to get your kids or not. Um, now, and yeah, you still have to be convicted. Right now, you're not in guilty of any crimes.

“You have to be go through the court process before you're found guilty,”

and convicted of a crime and be, as you said, a criminal. I understand, but I mean, tonight is just enough. Tonight, allegations are one thing that's not a definite thing. She made allegations, so that's why I'm here investigating things. Because I haven't listened to the whole hour and 20 minute long recording that she gave me.

Okay. That's sitting on my computer right now to listen to. Okay. And I'm trying to get to the bottom of what would actually happen, because sometimes, even just because she's the one that called 9-1-1,

I guess.

“That's why I've here talked to you a lot.”

Yeah, sure.

I mean, I was a rational, you know, I was an idiot.

But, you know, I mean, I was, you know, begging for my, the reason you saw the presence I was because of what she told me initially about firearms, you may not be cooperative this on that, so rather than take a chance, I got you. I, I didn't do, you came out just fine, you've cooperated just fine.

But I had-- Well, I'm calmer now, you know, I'm trying to, I'm trying to piece together all of this. For my safety for all of this, if that's why things went down the way. It doesn't-- It doesn't increase the severity of anything.

You don't have to explain that. Okay. I understand that. I mean, my only negative thought right now is like, "Jesus Christ, did I say something that I didn't meet?"

That's going to be used against me. You know, I'm trying to think right. Did I say something ridiculous that I didn't mean? And I don't think I did. And as far as anything said, the things that I'm most concerned about

is if you threaten to kill her or yourself. Yeah.

I like the two things that I--

I don't think I-- Yeah.

“Because it's possible you look at it or read it or--”

Well, I'm not the listen to it. Yeah, I'm not for sure. I don't, I mean, look. I mean, I-- I may have said something.

It's completely impossible. I don't think I did. But I mean, I was in there for a long time. You know, begging for my, you know, my life-- my livelihood.

You know, my car life. You know, trying to salvage what was there. And if I said something stupid, he wouldn't definitely be-- I don't know why I could chop it up.

Anything is just being irrational thought. Okay. Nothing behind it. All right. Let's go to the subject or the weapons in the house.

Upstairs in the-- It's like a-- It's like a little closet area. And if you go into that, there's a-- [silence]

It's-- To the far--

“If you walk in it to the far left and side,”

there's a shotgun case. Oh. And it's got a shotgun in it with a-- The trigger guard and some of what we did. And the--

Actually, the-- [silence] The pistol is probably within-- In the case. Okay.

So there's just two guns? Yeah. And then at my office, I have no idea. Okay. And your office in Phoenix?

Yes. No, would you be, okay, with me to take him for tonight as a safekeeping thing and hold on to him. So there's no allegations in the future? No.

I don't-- Obviously not. I don't want-- You know, I don't want to have it go through any of that. Okay.

You know, I-- I honestly-- I-- You're regardless of anything that has been said. I don't feel as though I've done anything to--

You know, put anyone at jeopardy or harm. Okay. So-- Well, I'm going to go talk to my partner's a little bit. And I got to listen to some of that recording.

So I kind of know what-- If any of the allegations were true. Because I'm not going to charge you with things you didn't do. Or allegedly didn't do. Okay.

Well, I mean, I appreciate it. All right. I try to do my job as fair as possible. I'm not sure. Okay.

And these is loosely-- I'm just-- I'm just-- I've got a long time since I've been in Indian Cups in Pittsburgh. Or--

Well, where are your handcuffs before? Um, I had a guy road rage me about four years ago. Right out here. Um, a little bit of my big tow truck. So I pulled him into the center of the ride because more than two lanes go to the run.

Pulled him at-- You know, this was settling. He lit him up. Did I see him weren't live? All right.

And I just stopped there and sat there. Did I turn around and came back? No, were you arrested for that? Or-- Well, what happened was, is the guy--

I never got out of my truck.

I'd like to keep my door in. But I thought I might-- The officer, uh, Gilbert officer, he-- He took me down and charged me with either-- Just sort of a conduct or something.

Um, and it got locked away because there's no evidence. Okay. Did you go to jail that night? Or-- No, I just--

Oh, I came-- Yeah. They had me drive my truck in here. They took me down. Book me in.

Uh, and then that same officer drove me back. I think once he realized, um, that, you know, I didn't do anything.

“Because he came out the next thing in the past.”

Okay. Um, so, I mean, we-- Uh, it wasn't--

You're kind of a big guy, but I'll put a second set on you.

So you have a little bit of room to move. Well. So I think you just go ahead and-- I guess the fat part of me. Uh, go ahead and step out and then face the--

Face the vehicle, okay? No, we don't give you more rooms. That's much pressure on your shoulder. I got the lock facing you. Yeah.

Can you face my truck, okay? That's good. My reporter Nicole and I found this audio incredibly insightful. I mean, we could spend all day guessing how Laura felt about her marriage or her safety when leaving that marriage. But you can only get so much when trying to read between black and white lines on a police report.

To hear it in her own words. I mean, it's hard to overstate how important this was. So thank you to the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office for fulfilling this request. This is how it's supposed to work.

“And I think hearing this now raises a lot more questions.”

Not just about Laura's case, but even about Nick Cordova's too. If you remember from Nick Cordova's episode, Dave had told officers that the gun he had in his office. He had just gotten because of a domestic custody dispute that he was having in 2020. Well, maybe that gun was new.

But Dave was pretty clear here. He had a gun in his office as early as 2013. Did something just get lost in translation or should we read more into that? I also think Laura had a lot of information about Dave's business dealings.

Information that I think could be critical to understanding how this man operated.

But then and in 2020, maybe even now. And a couple of questions are top of mind for me coming out of hearing this. One, what fire was Laura referencing?

“Does anyone out there know about a fire that happened?”

Which was somehow connected to one of Dave's businesses? Second, what is the deal with this $400,000 of tax debt that Laura is talking about being in? That they're going to be coming after her for? And more importantly, I would love to know more about all those insurance payouts that Dave seemed to be expecting to help them get in a good spot. And third and finally, we obviously looked into all the businesses Dave had in his name.

But at one point Laura accused Dave of starting a business with his mistress and putting his and more as children's names on the LLC to ensure the woman wouldn't become a majority owner or take anything that wasn't hers. Now I feel like I have to go down another rapid hole. Does this LLC still exist? What is it? Do any of you out there know?

You guys have been incredible with reaching out and sharing information.

This audio that we got is not the only tip we've gotten in relation to this case. And I promise, when we have more, I'll be back in the meantime, keep it coming you guys. I said it before, but I mean it just because the episode ends does not mean our reporting stops. So you can reach out to us anytime by emailing [email protected]. We'll be back Monday with our regularly scheduled programming.