Breaking Up is Hard to Do (Criminal+)

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I'm Phoebe Judge. I'm Lauren Spore.

Lauren, I have been on a journey.

I have been on, it's maybe one of the biggest journeys I've ever been on my life. And it has nothing to do with traveling. You also have been alongside me for part of this journey over the past 10 days. I have to say, and I don't mean this to be rude, but I, you have really impressed me. We are starting something new, and that is going to be a new video series.

We're going to be releasing videos of interviews I do with people, and although it'll be an audio version too, but there will also be a video version that's going to live on YouTube.

“And, you know, everyone else is doing it, so we thought why not us?”

We'll try. We'll try. We'll try.

And so because of this, because we were going to do video, and we haven't done it before,

we decided that we were going to make my studio that I'm in in Massachusetts a lot of the time into a more of a video studio. And that meant that for the past four days, I have been there, I'm back in North Carolina now, but I've been there with very talented camera people, and more importantly, as I'm learning, lighting people, getting the studio video ready.

So they did their jobs, and they did a wonderful job, but I had a job. And that job, one camera ready, gives getting camera ready myself, and it was suggested that I should try a bit of makeup. Now, of course, Warren makeup in the past, where makeup for the live shows, where makeup for photoshoot, when I do them, I wear makeup for big events, but I don't wear makeup

in my daily life.

“And I think it's safe to say that you don't, you haven't applied the makeup that you've”

worn in the past. True. Maybe I've screwed around a little bit with mascara, but you know, I haven't really. And so, this is also the type of situation we're going to be doing these videos often. But I think we're going to be doing them, you know, it's not me every day, but it's a

big experiment. But I needed to know how to do this myself. I wasn't someone's not going to come in and put the makeup on me every time I do a video interview. So what were we going to do?

The last week, Lauren went out to Sephora and said, "I'm going to buy you some makeup." I wonder if it's worth putting up the journey pictures of this makeup stages. Lauren came over to my house with a bag from Sephora and Lauren, what were you, you had just decided what you thought I might need?

“Yes, and I think that our criminal plus listeners are most trusted best friends.”

We can say Phoebe has had a little bit of a red face for the last year or so. And so, one challenge for this camera project was like, how do we mitigate the redness? Lauren, we can talk about rosacea, on another show. It's a journey. Well, when I walked into Sephora, I thought to myself, she's going to need something green.

As I think you use green, I think if you put green makeup on top of red face, it makes the redness look better. So my, I was looking for a green product which I found. I was looking for a translucent powder, which I got from clinic. This was a Sephora located entirely inside of a coals, have you ever experienced that

before? I walked at the front door. What I was looking at from the parking lot was a Sephora next to a coals. And then I walked in the Sephora doors and I was in the coals and I was like, oh, I went in the wrong door.

So I walked back out and then I was like, oh, no, I guess that's right. I walked back in and then the Sephora was entirely, it was like the middle of a donut and all around you in the Sephora you were inside of a coals. So it wasn't, it wasn't the most that Sephora could offer. It was a little bit of a smaller selection, but I made it work.

Translution powder. Guys, I got a mascara, I got a brown eyeliner that had a brush on the other side and

And a blush stick.

And so I was operating with this, when I put on makeup, I like to keep it simple and fast.

“You can do it in the car if you need to.”

You can do it with one hand if you need to. So I thought Phoebe probably wants it to be simple. If she's going to do it at all. So Lauren showed up and she said, we'll just sit here at the dining table, no light needed. Don't worry about lights.

We had a huge sunlight, huge open bay window and then she said, just use your fingers. Yeah, it's high. Yeah. Did just start. Oh, and a brush.

I got a nice brush. One brush. But just use your fingers. She said. And I to apply the green color well also everything more, and use the kept saying use

your finger. Don't worry. Just spread it on. So I did.

I tell you, at the end of it, I have never exactly known what the definition of a board

delo is. But I looked that I worked there and had worked there overnight.

“It was, it was a, I think it was a really, there was, I think the problem was we did”

a layer of green concealer, then powder, then we tried more green concealer and then more powder. I feel like we had a layer cake and then we had put the eyeliner on and then we decided let's see how it looks with more heavier on heavier. Just experiment and send some photos to our colleagues and their response was play.

The response was, you know what's interesting is, one always wants to be polite to your colleagues. And so sometimes if you just see something that, maybe a little off, you don't say anything. You say it looks great. This was so off that they couldn't stop themselves.

You know, I think something to your credit, something about working with you is that you, it's like no one wants to just put in my opinion, I feel like you invite directness. Like when you ask a question, I feel like it's abundantly clear you want an honest answer, which I find absolutely refreshing and I wish more people operated like that. Well they were honest.

Yeah, which was great. So we needed to fix that. And so I said, just wash it off and try again later and then I hit the road. So that was like the extent of my contribution. So the next, a couple days later, I was flying to Massachusetts because it was my

niece's parent teacher conferences weekend, parents weekend. So I was going to see her and she is 17. And so if you're 17, a certain type of 17 year old, you know how to do makeup. Sure makeup is wonderful. She loves to do makeup and she said to me, don't worry, Phoebe, I'll take care of it.

I'll teach you how to do everything. And so we laid all the products that Lauren got me out and she had some questions about some of Lauren's choices.

The first thing she said is, Phoebe, where are the brushes?

You don't have anything to apply and I said, Lauren just says, use your fingers. And she said, she didn't really know what to say. And then she had me. She said, the first thing we're going to do is, she may have me put on this headband. It's a makeup headband.

It has a big bow in the front of it. And she said, that's going to help. And so then she taught me, keeps her hair out of the, so you can get the makeup all the way up on your forehead. Oh, wow.

Yeah, she thought I had to wear it. We have a little, um, we have a little video that she had me take of how I should apply the makeup. Should we play a little clip of it? Okay, it's in my eyebrows, but it'll fix that right.

Okay, do you think I need more? I do think this is good. More? How much do you usually play? I mean, he's put a little more of the, if the, okay, yeah.

But don't use the green drops or should I? You have green drops? Yeah. This is that. Oh, you can do this now.

Um, I put, oh, girl. Shh. Shh. It could do that too.

“This way, you need to have like a brush.”

This is like, you don't, you know, when you sit there and I would put a little here. Okay. So, then I sent a picture to Lauren and I said, what do you think? And you said, can you do my makeup? I mean, it looks so good.

This, this kids today, I don't, how did they learn? It looked fantastic. It looks fantastic. But it, it wasn't, it maybe was a little too much. It wasn't no makeup makeup.

Which is what I was going, high glam. And so then, so I get to the studio, I leave everyone and buy myself, the camera people are setting up cameras and lights. And here we go. I'm on.

I got to do it myself. You were on response after phone calls and texts for a pretty long time. And then I just received the photo. And then you knew what you had been doing with your time. What did you think?

Fighting for your life with the makeup mirror.

I was completely impressed that after what, like, one tutorial from me, which was helpful

and one really helpful tutorial from your niece and you are now very good at putting on makeup. Well, I, I was absolutely impressed. So yeah, so it's, it's a new life, it's makeup life, every day or no, not every day. Only when we're doing the videos.

Which is going to be often.

“Yeah, but, you know, the thing about the videos is it's been, I think, for all of”

us here, we've all been a little bit, you know, oh, we know how to cut audio. We don't know how to cut video, but it's actually kind of fun. It's Katie Bishop and I were on a 6 a.m. video interview yesterday with a man in Australia. That was a little rough to get the makeup looking right at 6 a.m. And another quick thing for you is you don't want to have wet hair.

I think that's for you. Well, what is it like, can you imagine turning on like morning news and the newscaster had wet hair? Yes, you do. But I have another question for you, which is you're doing some off the cuff videos for

social media. Are you worried about the contrast being very great between an off the cuff, Phoebe on her way to go jogging, and then high glam Phoebe. People are, they're going to know it's the same person, or, um, anyway, the video thing is exciting.

It's totally brand new for all of us. We recorded three so far, um, including with one with a big slab. Yep. Uh, well, big slab, it's not Beyonce, but it's a very famous crime writer. Yes.

Fiction. Woman. Phoebe, do you have a trivia question? I do have a trivia question. trivia with Phoebe, Lauren, in what state, and at what speed, is the highest speed limit

in the country? It is not all over the state. It is on a section of highway, and we've been posted speed limit. We have not been on it. So I can even, if it's be helpful, I can give you the state, and then you can just pick

with it. No, I don't want you to give me the state, but I'm going to do a pre-lam that it's South Dakota. Okay.

“And do you know what the speed limit would be the posted speed limit?”

80. Okay. I will get back to at the end of the show. I'm also interested in Montana. Yep.

The only speeding ticket I ever got in my life. Okay. What state, and at what speed, is the highest speed limit in America? Right before this call, I was reading about a woman named Ariel Coneg 37. She's a central witness in a murder trial.

Her husband is on trial for trying to murder her. And so at the trial, she read a birthday card that he had given to her that morning. Can I read it to you? Happy birthday Angel Face. This is the card that her husband gave her shortly before he attempted to kill her

on a hike. Happy birthday Angel Face. There isn't an obstacle in this world too hard for me to fight through for you. You're the heart of our family, and that heart is strong. You're a terrific mom.

The kids and I hit the jackpot with you.

Love always G. This is what happened.

A couple of years before the husband, Gerhard, logged into his wife's WhatsApp account and saw that she was exchanging WhatsApp messages with a coworker who was also married and they worked together at a nuclear energy company. She worked remotely. And then apparently the relationship was lots and lots and lots of messages, but nothing

ever physical according to the wife. But the husband, sometimes they were messaging all day long on weekends and always talking about sort of personal things. And they had a code word. So if Ariel Coneg wanted to tell her coworker that her husband was nearby, she would

use this work term, H.A.L.E.U., an acronym for a type of nuclear fuel that they both worked with professionally. The husband finds this out. He can't stop monitoring her phone. He's obsessed with it.

He confronts her, and then they agree that they're going to not separate. They're going to give their marriage two years, two year project.

“And then he asked his wife, what do you want to do to celebrate your birthday?”

And she said she'd always wanted to visit Oahu, and she says, you know, we can go another

time, we don't have to go right away, and the husband immediately books the trip, gives his wife the birthday card, gives her a necklace, and then according to her, and according to the prosecution, he, uh, they're on this hike that's over like a rugged cliff. He grabbed her and began pushing her toward the edge of the ridge.

and screaming. And then according to her, her husband pulled out of vile, and a liquid and tried to inject her with something from, uh, with a syringe, um, and that is what I was just reading about. Have you heard this story? How many stories have we talked about this year of men trying to kill their wives on

hikes?

“This leads me to a very important thing that we should talk about.”

Gripp strength. It is one of the key indicators of overall health. This woman was doing something right if she was able to hold onto those shrubs, grabbing hold of roots and shrubs. Gripp strength.

This was something we're having, uh, a graduation party this weekend, and I thought I always

like, when we throw a party, when a third party, I always like there to be something, you

know, you can't just be a cocktail party, there should be an event, you know, so your worst oysters, or there's something, you know, built around something. Well, we'd be testing our hand strength. Well, this is what I was thinking. Last week, Sarah bought one of these things for $23 on Amazon.

It's a digital display and you squeeze it as hard as you can and it shows you, um, your power. Sarah did hers, uh, 68 fantastic, normal range, great. And then I did mine. And I thought it would be so fun at the party to have everyone go around and, you know, you

have to write it on the little list. I thought you would really like that, Lauren. I would really like that. Then I was thinking, I did think to myself, you've worn, but the love this so much for $25, should I just get it for her for like her birthday present.

You can just visit and you can train and test again.

Do you know what mine was, do you want to ask? What was it? What was it? What was the max? I don't think there, uh, like, maybe 190, 103.

Wow. Okay. I can't wait to say. And it's fun because you're left hand, you're right hand. But anyway, grip strength, start thinking about it.

If you haven't, clearly, there are circumstances where you may need to hold on to roots

“or shrubs and you need to make sure those fingers are strong enough.”

Speaking of fingers, Lauren, uh, it's like Marilyn Monroe just came across the screen. Me? Yeah. Why? Just put your hand up across the screen.

It's like Marilyn Monroe. Thank you, wow, that is a, what, what mood do you have to be in to get that color of red on your nails? Because it looks like 1952 over there. What do you mean what?

Moon, it's like just classic, but, but I know it's classic, but it's like a Marilyn Monroe color, you know, that, that bright, bright red. I feel like if you're going to spend the money and you need to do something. Although I know I'm the person who said, go do it with no polish at all. But if you're going to get polish, I feel like you, you want to see it, you want to

notice it. I just went and had my mother and I went and got manicures. Well, I can tell. Do you want her favorite nail polish color is ever since she was a little kid? No.

My entire life, great. It's called Grand Canyon Sunset. And so anytime we go to a nail salon together, she'll say, I wish they still made Grand Canyon Sunset. And it's like such a potent memory.

Is it a gel? Orangey red. It's like a brownish red.

“Do you remember when Nikki Silva, maybe it was Davia Nelson, the kitchen sisters?”

We were at some audio conference festival in New York. And I think we were doing something. We had a little part of it. But then we stayed for Davia Nelson's. Yeah.

The whole entire audio piece was her just reading names of lipsticks. That's right. That was great. The names are so wild. Yeah.

It was just name after name after name after name. My mom asked me an etiquette question, which I will now ask you, how early, if any amount early, can you check in to a VRBO or an Airbnb with a keep-ad door? So, of checking is that four? How early would you dare to go in?

I would write to the owner beforehand and say, I'm just wondering, I said, I'm arriving at two. Is there any way to, so that's what I would do? I would be too scared to go.

I would never go to go out.

I would go 15 minutes early, but I would just write to the owner and say, I'm going to be in the area. Is it possible to check in a, well, she sent me the message one hour before checking. I didn't see it until 25 minutes before checking. And I said, I replied, I wouldn't do that.

And then she replied, oops, because she was already in.

We all have for a little while, but there was movement on it this week.

What?

“This is the story about the woman and the bees and Massachusetts.”

So this was a few years ago, a woman, she was in her mid-50s. She showed up at her friend's house and elderly gentleman who was being served eviction papers. Her answer, he was sick and the sheriff's office had shown up to serve him eviction papers. His friend, this woman, shows up, wearing, she's a beekeeper.

And she showed up wearing her beekeeper suit with a truckload of bee hives behind her. She got out of the car. As the inner suit, full suit, as the deputies were trying to evict the man, serve her friend eviction papers. She opened all of the hives and let the bees go towards the officers.

Officers were swatting bees away, beehives were falling on each other, crushing some bees.

The officers were very stung, some of them badly. They were all okay, but they were badly stung. She says it was an accident she didn't know the hives opened.

“She though was in her full suit with hood.”

But she was in her full suit, so she did not get stung. She was convicted of four misdemeanor counts of assault and battery in two counts of reckless assault. She spent six months in jail waiting for the trial and then served another couple of weeks. What she said when they asked her, she said that she was why she opened the hives.

She said she was only wanting the bees to forage on a lovely landscape. She had no intention. She was wearing the full suit. Well, I also read that she was wrestled to the ground by the police officers. And then a bunch of her bees died during that.

And a queen bee dies after it stings. So if they're stinging all of the police officers, I understand it could be very dangerous if any of the officers had were allergic, but it's kind of creative at least. I mean, we need to hear some creativity in the world. It's hard to imagine hearing about your friend something bad happening to your friend

and then your first thought is I'm going to load up the bees.

Where's the suit? It reminds me of our, this is love episode about bees. Telling the bees. There's so many things in that that I think about, particularly, especially, I guess, where we got the title, the idea that you have to tell the bees when someone is died.

Do you see true that bees are the secret to life? This is the mark of the health of our entire ecosystem? Yeah. I think someone... Someone like God, okay, someone told me the other day that there's a woman in town who has

chronic Lyme disease and that her, she's undergoing this interesting treatment where she manually stings herself up and down her spine with bees and that it is working. Of all the different treatments she's tried, have you ever heard of this? No. But chronic Lyme is no joke, so how do you make a bee?

How do you, what do you hold? Yeah, you must hold it.

“You must be a bee that you can just like force it to sting you?”

I pitched a story, yeah, I pitched a story a couple months ago about a man who had purposefully let himself be bitten by snakes, venomous snakes that his blood could be used as an anti-venom for others. Oh, that's interesting. I know.

We're having a hard time getting into calls back. I had a pottery teacher tell me that he had been bitten by a Brown recluse spider and that they used the anti-venom drug that they used at the hospital meant that if you were ever bitten by a venomous snake, it wouldn't work. As though once your body's acclimated to these anti-venom medications, you'll only have one

chance, sort of. Yeah, I think it's something to worry about. Well, certainly around here with the corporates and all the spiders. You don't you have to watch out for, Lauren. What?

Getting into your car because they like the coolness undercarts. You've got to watch her in? Who? Spiders or snakes? Corporates.

Oh, my God. I have really big news, which is that in the last episode of Criminal Plus, I talked about my garbage can buckles, which I was really excited about because I thought it was keeping their occupants from getting in. Last night, opened the carport door, here a loud thrashing around, and then a little

So he had somehow like pride the plastic open, gotten in, and was just in their eating.

So I need to rethink the buckles, tighten the buckles. Did you let him out? No, because he got, he let himself out. I was scared to go too close. As you know, I'm dealing with something really big, which is that I attempted to write

an email to break up with my therapist. What if she's listening to this? I don't think that she is. I absolutely think she could be. What?

Without ever telling me? No. Oh, absolutely.

“Oh, I think that would be like a weird violation.”

Don't we think?

So, we're just going to, we're just going to, well, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, but, you

know, I don't really have. I just, it's kind of a retainer situation with me. It's a, it's a, it's a keeper on retainer a bit. It's a rather quick check in every two weeks, sometimes 10 minutes, sometimes. So, I don't want to waste a lot of your time.

So, I think she gets it. I think that this is one of the more difficult social projects I've undertaken in my entire life. We discussed this this morning, and you and I differed on how we would have approached to this.

Well, I, this is what I want to test the listener. I wrote, it's sort of like if you're receiving difficult professional news, a lot of times they send an email. So, you have a minute to sort of digest.

So, I sent an email saying that I would like to discuss, but I, I'm feeling like it's

time to wind down. And then you can see her.

“And then I said, looking forward to your thoughts, yeah, and I'll see you on Monday, and”

we'll talk. And I imagine that we'll meet a number of times to talk about it. It's not just like a goodbye forever, but it is, I am stressed. I am stressed. And I said the, I would be too.

I said that the way I would handle this is, do not, at the end of the session, at the beginning of the session. I would have said, I'd like to talk about something. And so that words would be, okay, keep going forward. So, I'd like to talk about something.

And, okay, but I've been thinking a lot about this, and I've been thinking about it for a long time. And I think maybe, I'm not getting as much of out of these conversations as I used to. Because I think I'm very different now. And I think I've changed a lot.

And I've just been thinking about it at the end of our sessions, making it about you. I've been thinking about it at the end of our sessions. I'm realizing, I'm not getting enough. And so you, this long preamble, me, it's me. I'm the problem.

I'm the problem. And then, she says, Lauren, of course I just want to support you in anything you want. And, yeah, you know, and then, then you've opened.

“So that's how I would have, and now, cats out of the bat, what's done is done.”

But I think I was worried that if I didn't sort of take a minute to choose my words carefully, that if I said I'm not getting as much out of these sessions, I could something like that could feel like an insult to her. So I wanted to make sure that I was deploying the information carefully. I've planted the seed, so now she'll know what I want to talk about.

Also, like, what if something sort of chaotic happens the morning of the session, and then I check it out and don't bring it up? Well, I think this is, I think this is a new, it's a new level of being feeling like a grown-up. And she hasn't responded. Oh, if you're looking for a new therapist, you may need to look no further.

Oh, we are offering your services. Maybe after you hear this email that we received this week. Okay. Heather wrote, "My husband and I have been married 20 years. We've developed different views and opinions over those years.

Ten years ago, we were at a breaking point in difference of political views. But one thing we agreed on, we loved criminal. It was the one thing we were able to talk about and discuss without opposition. The subtle social justice points made in personal stories relevant to current events brought us to the same page.

Now a decade later, we still love criminal and we are in the best place. We've ever been. Wow. Who needs better help? Well, we need them response sounds.

We're there. Better help.com/criminal. But I go contact a better help therapist for advice on how to break up with my real life therapist. We also got another email about, this is so interesting, couples listening to criminal together.

Here's another one we got. This listener wrote in from Oklahoma and said, "She put on criminal during a big storm while she and her husband were sheltering in their laundry room with their animals because

Wow.

“Not just putting people to sleep, also bringing people together.”

I say that only because when I was doing a lot of Phoebe reads, I would oftentimes hear

from couples who would tell me that they would turn Phoebe reads on at night in bed. And that's how they would fall asleep. So it would be like the cup, me as part of their couple. Oh, okay. A threpo.

The couple. Speaking of romance, I was thinking about this early and I didn't bring it up because I just was remembering a Sarah sister used to work in a flower store and a florist. And on Valentine's Day she would call us at the end of the day. And read to us what she remembered of the cards that people would have her dictate in

their flowering. Oh, that's so good. And it was shocking. Imagine. Oh, I would have just guessed it was all like happy birthday.

Oh, no. No. No.

Roger calls up and says, "Well, what would you like on the card, Roger?

I can't even say it." Oh, it's erotic, yes. But no. Wilds up. A look into the human's like, yes, yes, she would report, I could make this stuff

up. I don't know why I was just thinking about that. Can you give an example? Yeah. I'll give an example.

It's totally inappropriate. Is there something like psychopathic about dictating that to a stranger who is in the floor, a shop, and making them write it?

“That's what that's what was so fascinating.”

Exactly. Exactly. This isn't typing it in 1,800 flowers, you can type your own message. This is what was, yes, sir, what would you like me to say? Get ready for daddy, big boys coming home later, happy Valentine's Day.

I made that up, but you've got the juice. Anyway. Wow. I don't know why I thought about it, it's not Valentine's Day. I was really touched by the responses to the Costco episode.

Now, yes, the number of people who are begging us to now go to Trader Joe's. We've had so many emails and calls from people saying, "Please now go to Trader Joe's." I'd be happy to go to Trader Joe's. Would you be happy to go to Trader Joe's? I think I'm going to lead you down those out.

Do you know Trader Joe's that well? I feel like you can take me around Wegmans, but I just need to say something because when we were in Costco, I was excited to see Suki's brand Samosas, which is one of my favorite foods, and someone wrote in to say that they bought them because of that and that they were disappointed, and I have to say that I agree, and the Suki's Samosas at Costco are

bigger and different than the ones that you get at the regular grocery store, and because they're bigger, they're more dried out. Do you're not recommending them? Well, how was I supposed to know that the ones at Costco that look exactly the same are going to be bigger and different?

Our Costco, like the individual food item, I thought would have been the same inside of it. Yeah, me too. No, that's not at all. That's Suki's that's not at all.

I mean, it's making me suspicious. No, that's a one product, one product for all. People thought that I sounded really excited about the samples, which was mortifying to here, but thank you for listening. We got an email from Jonathan.

He says as a fellow, shelter addict, I suggest the purchase of a soda stream or the

“like, and you need to keep it back up CO2 bottle and you will never run out.”

I know.

The problem is that then that requires a different type of transport.

You have to make the shelter and then pour it into another vessel. Yeah. And that takes a lot of space. Jonathan, thank you. Of course, I've considered it, and certainly I understand about the added flavors and

results are supposed to be terrible for us cancer syndrome, but I am working on it. I'm working on less, you know, I, the cans, the cans are lined with plastic. The two shelters is two La Chroya Day. It was your day. Coconut at three cans a day.

Allison has a fact check. She says, I'm also a huge fan of gardener's world. I'm from the UK, but I live abroad in a hot dry city, unnamed. So for me, it brings great joy to see my home country and how green it is. I just wanted to fact check your, it's been running for 25 years, quote, comments about

the show. And she says the show started in the 60s and has had over 55 seasons so far. That is impressive. Yeah. Yes, I knew it had been long, long, long for a very long time.

Well, we also got a note from Adam, who says, Phoebe, you mentioned that your wish

I wanted to suggest that you book a discovery flight with a nearby flight school.

It will be shown the basics of flight controls and will actually fly the plane. If you live close enough to the home airport, you might be able to arrange with the flight instructor to fly over your house.

“I think that's a great idea and you should bring a recorder.”

Bring us with you. I will stay on the ground. I, after my recent video interview two days ago, with someone who flies their own helicopters, I have just, I'm, I'm right there, I need nothing else to get me to get in that plane and start taking lessons and I am pretty close to a very good flight school, so there's

no excuse. And, and that is what I did for my birthday last year. I took the by plane ride over the house, but I wasn't flying. Lorna, are you ready to find out the answer to the trivia question? Yes.

So you got to South Dakota and any miles an hour. Yes. You're wrong on both. Okay. The state is Texas.

Oh. The highest posted speed limit in the United States is a stretch if I believe root 130, could be one. Well, I mean, let me actually tell you, 130, it's a 40 mile section of the Texas State Highway 130 toll road.

Also known as the Pickle Parkway between San Antonio and Austin and the highest, the posted speed limit is 85 miles per hour. Wow, really if I ever go on 85 miles an hour, I can't imagine. And then you go five over going 90, would you like to talk about things you've been enjoying lately?

Yes, I would.

“Well, I think one of the things that you've been enjoying and I've been enjoying.”

We actually, I don't know if this has ever happened before. I think we have a crossover. This is also what says I'm going to be a reveal into our lives. What part of it? What do you mean?

A reveal into, but tell me what I'm just wondering what the reveal is going to be. I just think this is a, this is personal. That we'd be interested in this? Yes. Well, we bought the founding membership for a month.

So I don't know if we're going to be interested in this month. There was a misfigured misunderstanding about this also. I said, I bought, I became a founding member, which she somehow thought meant that I was like an investor in a new local yoga studio, but it's not just yoga. It is hot yoga.

It's hot. And we are both going and we are, we are trying so hard in there. Here's what happened. Lauren said, I, there's this new yoga place that's just opened down down to her. It's, well, we know why you're going back because it's smoothie bar, which are pretty good.

She said, it's great.

“So then the best thing about it is that you can order your smoothie before class.”

And when you walk out of class, it's lined up for you with your name on it. No waiting. She went, so would you come with me? And I said, Lauren, I can barely do yoga.

And I certainly have never done homework.

First I misunderstood and thought I could bring you for free because of my founding members. Which was incorrect. So I went to an hour long hot yoga class. I had not done, gone to yoga classes, about eight years, a real-life yoga class. I do little yoga pelotons of and I didn't know what to expect.

I go in there, I grab a little towel, we open the door. It is, it is just an furnace to 170 degrees. Lauren and I put our little mat side by side and we start going. The sweat is pouring off of me. I look over at Phoebe's mat.

It is like eight, the dog got out of the lake and shook off. Your mat was, and I said, you were sweating more than me because you have such high levels of cardiovascular fitness. I was sliding. My feet were sliding.

I didn't know what. She was also glaring at me the entire time. You're so hot. You can't do anything. You don't understand the poses.

Warrior one, two, front lunge, crescent moon, shavasana. The music is very loud. I couldn't hear. I was so hot. I cannot hear the words.

She's, she's, I've just trying to follow along with her.

So we go to the first, we get out of it and then the most wonderful thing in the world

is at the end of it. They come by with a cold, lavender towel and it feels like heroin. I don't, I must, this must be what heroin feels like. It's fantastic. Anyway, so that's my number, can we say it's your number one, too, Lauren?

Yeah, absolutely. I've really been enjoying it. It feels so good to walk out of there and have your smoothie and then I don't know,

It's so hard though in the middle of it. It's just, it's so hard, man, because it's, but you know, I got one of those towels. So I put the towel on top of the mat now, helps with this one. What's your number two, Lauren? My number two is the movie called Black Bag.

Is this one of these corporate thrillers? No, but it's Kate Blanchett. Do you pronounce a blanchett or a blanchett? Like, pronounce a blanchett. Oh, a black bag.

This is spy movie, directed by Stephen Soderberg and it has Kate Blanchett and Michael Fassbender, they are both intelligence officers, married, and that's all I'm going to say. I thought it was wonderful. Okay.

The second thing I've been enjoying lately on my new makeup journey.

Hi, yoga, makeup, who are you? Is Jackie's Gigo here at Criminal Recommended this product?

“And then my niece said you have to have it.”

It's not fancy. Is my clear water, my cellular water? No, don't, I'm not sure. This is makeup remover and it does a fantastic job. And I do so as Nutrigina wipes and things.

This is the stuff. It's not expensive, you know, squirted on a little piece of cotton and it takes out all of your makeup. So that is my number two. My technique for removing mascara is you just wait.

That's my technique too, but you know what happens when you wake up in the morning. Yeah, it's fine. You just move forward. You just take the toilet paper and you will quickly carry your eyes and then just rough scraping.

Just like the makeup application. To the toilet paper. That's right. As I say, just use your hands. So that's my number two.

What's your number three?

“My number three is a chain mail cast iron pan scrubber.”

Do you own this? Yeah. Wow. I've been making scrambled eggs every morning in a cast iron and it is not fun to clean unless you have one of these little chain mail scrubbers.

Yeah. That's a great one. It's a simple, beautiful device. And then if you feel like it's getting kind of dirty, you just put in the dishwasher. Yep.

It's great. If people knew how much stuff I put in the dishwasher, listen, I would love to give a tutorial on how to care for a cast iron pan. That would be fun. I have cast my father used the cast iron pan that was his mothers that he used, she used when they were growing up.

That's cool. And if you saw it, it looks exactly the same. Is it like shiny? Yes, perfect. It's beautiful.

That's really cool. You never put soap. I have a friend who only, who doesn't ever wet their cast iron, they only use court very, very coarse salt and a ton of scrubbing. Yeah.

You have never water.

“You just need this idea that if it's been, you just, you should season it every once in”

a while too. You know, by putting it. And when you say that, you mean olive oil and in the oven? Yeah. Very hot.

Mm-hmm. Then the three thing that I've been enjoying lately is I think I do enjoy it. I think I'm going to say I'm enjoying it. Is the new season or the new, I don't think it's season of the show beef? I can't wait to start it.

It's very dark. And there are these tiny little gestures and words that are so funny, so quietly weird and funny that I, I, I recommend it. I've watched two episodes, but I enjoy it. I think Carrie Molligan is just, she's great in this.

Yeah. She's great. Oh, you had us a review of Marty Supreme. Yeah. So I'm back from Boston yesterday and Marty Supreme.

When I tried to watch it before, it's $20 to rent on Amazon or something.

So I didn't, I've never seen it.

I didn't see it for the Oscars. But it was free on Delta. I didn't like it. I couldn't, I felt like I was on a moving train and I couldn't get off and, you know, it was a witty of course and move so quick and maybe if you're in it, but I just, I need

something slower in quieter. I, I walked out of Oncadjams for a similar reason. I just was like, I needed to stop. Yeah. That's what I'm not enjoying.

I want to get off. Yeah. Yeah. That's how I felt about Marty Supreme. And I didn't even finish it.

I 43 minutes left. Plain landed. I don't know if I'll go back.

I watched the movie of Tinker Taylor Soldier Spy with Colin First, a pretty slow start,

but then I very much enjoyed it. I have to go because I am, I'm going to start tracking an episode of Love right now.

Talk to you next time. Bye-bye.