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Our earliest childhood memories can feel so visceral. I have this memory of my mother's standing on the beach, the wind whipping her hair and her jacket, calling into the wind with my siblings out in the lake and the dam, you know, looming of the distance. But none of these memories were true.

“This week I'll explain it to me from Vox. Why can't I remember being a baby?”

Hi, it's Phoebe. When we decided to spend this month re-releasing some of our favorite episodes since the show began, I knew I wanted this one on the list. It's a perfect criminal story to me, funny and unexpected, and when I talk to red spears, I kept thinking, "Who is this? I'm where did he come from?" I hope you like it. This episode contains language that may not be suitable for everyone. Please use discretion.

Phoebe, I don't know how old you are, but do you remember when you were 22? Yes. What could you do? Everything. You could do everything. Well, that's how it was. How did you begin throwing the Javelin? By accident, when I went to school, they didn't ask if you wanted to go and participate in sport, they told you to. And I did that, and I found out that I was good at it.

Picked up a Javelin and was able to throw it, and that was about it. What did you like about it? What I liked about it was the effort. The throw is the largest implement in athletics, and you can hit the living shit out of it, and I like that. It was a moment in your life when you could do something full effort. This is Redge Spears. He grew up in Adelaide, Australia,

in the 1940s. By the time he was in his early 20s, he'd become one of the best Javelin throwers in the country. Javelin throwing is a track in field event, and it's an old one. It was added to the Olympic Games in Greece in 708 BC. The current Olympic record for the longest throw is just over 323 feet. I just took to it, and it felt right, and eventually I got in the Australian team for the Commonwealth Games in Perth in 1962. While he was there,

he met a Javelin thrower from England, named John McSorley. And the moment we met we became friends. He's rather brush, but he was very open, and we instantly had a rapport. We instantly got on with each other. John McSorley. And from that point on, he wanted to show me as much of a

Australia as he could, because he was always saying as the greatest country in the world, and we

became really good friends. Look, I always describing as he's actually outgoing for an Australian, Australian's normally outgoing, and he's outgoing for an Australian, but he's got a hard of gold. After the Commonwealth Games, John went home to London and read when back to Adelaide and started training. He was hoping to qualify for the Australian team for the 1964 Olympics. But I got injured. My right arm, at the elbow, was damaged, and it nobody seemed to know what it was.

Because of his injury, Brad's ran out of time to qualify for the Australian team, but he thought there might still be a chance for him to compete if he went to England. He got a job on a boat so he could work his way to England without having to pay.

“Did you look John up right when you got to England?”

Oh yeah, I'm sure. He suddenly turned up in my front door. Look, I was delighted to see him, but I was shocked.

I'm mad good to see you, you know. He was telling me, I think he'd given his last

to a ninth and so something as a as a tip to the taxi driver, but he's full of joy. He was happy and he had no money.

“He's happy, had no money. And he stayed with me, have we managed to get by?”

Today, Reg and John are in their 80s, but in 1964 they were in the early 20s. Life was a laugh a minute. I mean, typically he would step out of my flat into the main road and stick his thumb out to hitch a road and a car would have a choice of running him down or stopping.

And he would walk around to the driver and say, "Gee is made thanks for stopping.

I'm just going up here, up into town. Can give us a lift." And he was so charming, he used to get away with it. But Reg is injury didn't improve and he didn't qualify for the Olympics. And the dilemma was how to get back to Australia when you have no money. A friend helped him get a job working with cargo at Heathrow Airport in London.

“But it was going to be a long time before he could save enough money to afford a plane ticket home.”

His daughter was about to turn three and he says he wanted to get back before her birthday. He started thinking about other ways. He could get home. And I saw them shipping animals. You know, by the various aircraft and I knew that you could ship animals in these big jets mainly little beagle dogs that they shipped all over the place. And I felt well if the dogs couldn't survive and I could. So that's where I came up with a bright idea of jumping in a box

and coming back home to all of them. So you saw that the beagles were making it alive and you thought maybe I guess I could too. Yes, exactly that. Put a stamp on my ass and send my cell phone

basically that was it. I'm Phoebe Judge. This is criminal.

“Ratch Spears isn't the first person to come up with the idea of shipping himself from one place”

to another. In 1849, an enslaved man in Virginia named Henry Brown escaped in slaveman by shipping himself to a free state in the north. A carpenter helped him build a box that was labeled dry goods. It had three small air holes. And when Henry Brown climbed inside, he brought a pointed metal tool in case he needed to make more. He was in the box for 27 hours traveling by wagon, train, and steamboat before he arrived in Philadelphia. After his success will escape,

Henry Brown became famous and he toured America in England to tell his story and perform magic tricks. He changed his middle name to box. Sometimes he would burst out of a box on stage. The same one, he'd burst out of when it was delivered to Philadelphia. In the early 1900s in England, an accountant named Reginald Brey spent a lot of time coming up with ways to test the limits of the British postal system. He sent a turn up with the address carved into it, a half-smoke

cigar, and a bowler had. When he learned that it was possible to send live creatures, he decided to try to mail both himself and his Irish Terrier, Bob. The regulations permitted sending anything bigger than a bee and smaller than an elephant. Reginald Brey successfully mailed himself three times. The process just involved being escorted by a mail carrier. There's a photograph of him being delivered by Registered Mail to his own house in 1903.

He's standing on the doorstep while his father signs for the package at the door. In 1909, two British suffragettes got the idea to send themselves to the Prime Minister's residence so they could speak with him face-to-face. They went to the post office and were escorted directly to 10 Downing Street. But when they were delivered, nobody would sign for them. And they were sent right back to the post office. It was in a total failure for the suffragettes,

though. The stunt generated a lot of attention and put them on the front page of the Daily Mirror. At the same time in the United States, the postal service only delivered packages that were

and people started testing the system. They mailed eggs, bricks, snakes, and children.

Typically, parents would hand their children to postal carriers, and they were just carried or walked along the postal route to their destination, which was normally a relative's house. One Ohio couple shipped their 10-pound baby a mile away to his grandmother's house. The postage was 15 cents. They also decided to get the $50 insurance. The next year, the postmaster general made a new rule. No humans in the mail.

In 1964, one-redge spears started thinking he could chip himself from England to Australia. He confided in his friend, John McSorley.

“When you first brought this idea to John, what did he say?”

He said you're crazy. He said you're out of your mind. Crazy bloody Aussie. But eventually, he knew the situation had no money, wanted to get back home, and this was plausible, you know, when you thought about it, and the main thing was it was COD. Cash on delivery. See, don't have to pay. You don't have to pay until it says actually arrives.

Did you ever try and convince him not to do it? Yeah, of course. I said you're mad, you're mad. Crazy. Why would you do that? But fortune at that respect it was. And he was persistent. He said, look, I want to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I'm going to do it. I said, listen, if you're going to do it, then I've got to make the quote. I'm not having you going in some bloody orange box and

“busting out of the thing. And so that was it. So we were then they were full on. That's what we were”

going to do.

First John had to figure out how to make a box that red could fit in and stay in for hours and hours.

And it couldn't look like there is a person inside. First John, I didn't want to look like a coffin. So it couldn't be coffin size. The biggest box you could put on a jet aircraft was five feet by three feet by two and a half feet. Now that's a big box. How tall are you? I'm about six foot one. He said, wouldn't be the most comfortable journey. But you could do it. That's you're right. But

I was 22. You can put up with a lot when you're there to hit. Ask me now to do it. I wouldn't. There wasn't enough room in John's apartment to build the box. So he worked on it in secret at a nearby college. John and Reg had spent a lot of time on campus training for the Javalyn throw and eating in the cafeteria there and knew if you people at the school. They didn't know what the box was for was just a box. We didn't advertise it.

But we were able to just put it out of the way so that not too many questions were asked. But then if they did ask questions, they wouldn't believe you anyway. John and Reg tried to think through everything that could go wrong and designed the box so that Reg would have what he needed could stay hidden and be able to breathe. He built it so that there was the slats where plenty of air and like it even see

through the slats. And if the box was going to have little spaces so you could see and breathe. How were you hidden within the box? Well we put brown paper over the inside so that nobody could

see and like it just removed the paper and see out. The whole idea of course is we'll never

occurred to me at the time or John about close to phobia or you're going to be in pitch darkness all the way. I know that didn't come in a wooden thing about that. We just went and did it. Or were you were I mean inside the box? Did you have anything so that you could hold on in case the box was tumbled around? Yes there was straps filled a fit in there to hang on to that would keep me in place. I also had a strap attached so that while he was

“lying down he could strap himself in when he was being moved. And was there was a way to get out?”

Yes both ends I could they just locks they just undo them and what the end would pop out either end. Did you have to say what was in the box? Phoebe we told lies. We hit on this

for a motion for did you just pick something or something that had a bit of weight in it and a bit

of something that people wouldn't even know what it was? So you invented this shoe company called the Supreme shoe company Closter Road London and it was to be delivered to a Mr Graham in Perth, collected by Mr Graham and paid CRD. What was Mr Graham real? No. Just made up. So it's all made up. We thought the Supreme shoe company sounded pretty good and Mr Graham has sounded sort of in a pretty new ordinary kind of name acceptable. So that was it.

And you had you had labeled this cash on delivery. So they assumed that someone would pay for it when they picked the box up. That was the whole idea Phoebe. I mean it because I bet it was really

“expensive. Yeah it was it was about 400 pound, 440 pound. How much would it take it home?”

I would not much less than that. It would have been 300 pound, 350 pound, which was right out of my league and I was going to take me here to save it. 350 pounds in 1964 would be about 8500 US dollars today. The route they chose started in London, stopped in Paris, and stopped again in Mumbai, where he would have to change planes. From Mumbai, he would go to Singapore for a fuel stop

before finally arriving in Perth, Australia. Did you tell anyone at home that you were planning on

"No, no, I didn't say anything to anyone." And did you have an idea how long it would take? Well, no, not really. Raj and John put a couple of pillows and a blanket inside the box, and then they tried to think through what else Reds would need. He liked baked beans, and I was working fine so that's stage. So he'd have a number of tins of baked beans, which he'd eat raw, and he loved him.

“So that's what he brought baked beans. Baked beans, yeah. Baked beans.”

Did you have anything else to eat? No. No, because I figured, you know, I didn't particularly want to have a bowel movement in there. I mean Reds had an appetite of a horse. He really did. And so we thought, right, let's slow down your system, so he don't need to go to the lay. He packed water, a flashlight, and a gift for his mother. Place mats with pictures of guards at the tower of London.

He also packed a suit to change into when he landed in Australia. They put two labels on the box, fragile, and this way up. When you were just about to get in the box, did you run around a little bit or stretch knowing that you were going to be in there for a while? No. No, there's the bloody box getting the damn thing and stop by gorising around. So you weren't nervous? No, I wasn't

strangely enough. You know, I'm not trying to say I was brave. I think the box clicked closer to being stupid. But no, once the ball started to roll, there wasn't time to sort of be frightened or anything like that. Just put up with it and write it out. And that's basically it. Was John worried at all, did you sense? Well, he could have had some thoughts in that regard.

But when it was never mentioned, it was a bit of a joke if anything. We just did it.

“What you have to remember is we were young and careless and carefree.”

And so I think if we'd been older, we'd got a bit more sense. We'd probably never have done it. Do you remember the last thing you said before you'd closed your up in the box? See you later, Johnny. That's all not. No big deal. Once I was in, I mean. And we're off. Well, I said, look, look, good luck, Rich. Good luck. Happy to make it back. But don't forget to let me know when you get there.

A few of John's friends who had a van helped load up the box and drive it to the airport. I remember there was frustrating and anxious time went. We were taking me into a fresh shed

moment. But fortunately, time passed and there was okay and then they took the crane away.

“They put me, I was in a huge, bloody warehouse. I could see out through the slats and I was put up high, too.”

And when they come to get me some young bugger, a apprentice was driving the fork, if then you almost dropped me because it was teetering on the bloody thing. But I threw myself back towards it that settled down, but those things happened. I kneeled in the afternoon, the fork came down, the fork came down and all the planes were delayed. So he had to stay in there for hours

and hours now, but we couldn't do anything about it. What was it like when you finally heard the

planes engines and you realized you were in the air? Here we go. Here we go. So it begins. That's what I thought. We'll be right back to listen without ads. Join Criminal Plus.

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Redge Spears was in his box and the cargo hold of a Boeing 707 on his first leg of the journey

from London to Paris. Was it strange to be in the cargo area of the plane knowing that above you were, you know, the passengers? Yeah. No, we knew it across my mind, but the thing is here I am, you know what can I do? I decided to do this and so far so good. He says they'd already been in the box for 24 hours because of the fog delay. So once the plane was in the air and he was alone, he decided to let himself out. I was dying for a leak but I had a big can there and I peed

in that when I got out of the box, silly me, I got out of the box and from London to Paris is not very long. So in my haste to get back up with the container of pee on top of the box and got back in and realized I'd left the bloody thing there. It was too late to get out of the box again. He felt the plane landing and then heard the cargo door opening and the French baggage handlers talking to each other as they entered the cargo area. And then that's when they discovered the

the bake canful of feet and they weren't happy. I got here on ongeys where the other was swearing at the English. But I thought that there'd no then that someone's in this bloody box but they

were you ever worried about making a noise? No, the funny thing was in a remin. Remember that,

“when people around, you're sort of smiling to yourself because you're in the box. They don't”

know you're in there and everything is normal. It seems normal but it's not. And that made me smile a bit.

Eventually the plane took off for the second leg of Regis Flight heading to Mumbai.

It was the longest part of the journey. I'm just recall it being pitch black and most of the time I had a pillow on blanket so I was I was asleep. I was asleep. You were sleeping but when you weren't sleeping what were you thinking about? Everything. You know, you reflect on your life. You just think about yourself and your family and what you've done and all the things the people think about. He brought a book which he could read using the flashlight he brought. It was called The Bedside Esquire.

A collection of short stories that have been published in Esquire magazine by authors like Ernest Hemingway and John Steinbeck. That's helped run out the batteries. A bit of that one that went dark that was that. It's about 4,300 miles from Paris to Mumbai. Do you think that you're athletic training helped you? I showed it. Of course. With athletics, with the training,

“you commit yourself to it and you're driven and that's what I was. I was doing this and I'm”

going to do it all the way through. It was that sort of attitude as you said came out of athletic

training, having that mindset. That's basically what it was. There was no fearful aspect to it all.

Not at all. When you landed in India, what happened? Well, the playing again, the open the hole, the I expect the hole to be open. Each time you come into an airport, this time they took me out. They took me out of the, took the box out of the plane and prompted on the tarmac and they stood me up on one end, which was okay because I said to you, they were built and there to help me in place. But you were upside down. Yes, I just hung in

their way over and waited. And then the crate was moved again and turned right side up.

Ratch says he didn't know what was happening or what the delay was. He says at one point,

he could hear people talking nearby, eating lunch. And it was very hot. It took all my legs. I was totally naked in there because it was so hot. He took your clothes up. Yes, it was so bloody hot. I was sweating. I wondered how long I could last in this heat. But I'm from Australia or used to the heat and it was very hot. That's all I remember. I was sweating. I was wondering whether I could sustain it. But I did. The next thing I'm on the move, they came and got me put it,

put me on another plane that went off to Singapore, I think. The flight from Mumbai to Singapore was about 2,500 miles. At what point did you realize you were really going to make it? That this was going to work. By the time we got to Singapore, I figured if I got the Singapore the next hot sauce, I don't care if I get caught because I'm home. It would be about 2,500 miles to Australia. What were you looking forward to the most when you got home?

“Stepping onto Australia. That's what I wanted to do. There's nothing like Australia. It's”

the greatest place on Earth's center of the universe to me. How did you know that you would have arrived in Australia? The voices. What happened? The voices when the hold opened, of course, after this long journey, the hold opened and the handlers come into the cargo and their voices. I knew they were the Aussies. So I was home. What did they say? I hope this big fack is not for us. But it was. And they got me out, put me in a bunch. So you were still in the box,

but they put you in a shed? In a bunch, there are a bunch of customs. You know, it goes in every for you. The people that owned a box come and get it, but it's held in a bunch,

And the shed is also locked.

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flock cameras exist. Americans are going to war against flock AI surveillance cameras and people are going around and literally sign them down absolutely destroying them. An AI surveillance apparatus goes against the very essence of freedom and the core values of our country. It's not right. It's not conservative and it sure is held in America. Flocks surveillance cameras have popped up all over the nation. Every state but Alaska,

but this year, dozens of cities and counties across the country have cut ties with flock. And on today's explain from box, we're going to tell you why. Redge Spears says he'd been in the box for more than 60 hours when it finally landed in Australia and was put in a lock storage shed. Vermont had the box he could hear airline workers unloading boxes around him.

He says he stayed quiet and still and waited for what felt like hours.

And then finally he heard someone say they were leaving for a smoke break.

When it seemed like everyone was gone, redge crawled out of the box. The bond shed happened to have full of, happened to be full of beer, not that I liked beer,

“but I was pretty thirsty so I cracked a can of beer and drank half of it and threw it up I think.”

Next, he put on the suit he'd packed. I've got into the suit because I didn't want to look in appropriate around the air force there, carrying a bag and I went with, I was going to be wandering around. I wanted to look appropriate. When you got out of the box, did you close the bag up so people wouldn't be suspicious?

Yes, I closed the bag up, but I just pushed the ends in. And then he looked around for a way to get out of the lock shed. He remembers that there were two heavy metal double doors with a waist-tight chain across them and an old-booking padlock. From inside, he could push the doors open enough to reach the chain.

I found a tool box that I cut a bit of a hole in the chain and just jumped out and walked away. Redge says he saw a group of passengers getting off of a plane on the tarmac and joined up with them as they filed into the airport terminal. He tried to look like he was supposed to be there and followed the signs for arriving off-strily in citizens.

He would have to go through customs. When he got to the counter, he says he got out his passport, smiled at the official, and was waved through. You were in Australia, but still a long way from home. What did you do next?

I knew I could hitchhike him in Perth and I could hitchhike to go a good way out of Perth towards Adelaide, which is my hometown. Until I reached the nullable plant, there's it and you can't get across there. The truck he's going to take you, so eventually a Catholic priest gave me some money for

Redge spears arrived home more than three days,

after he'd first gotten in the box in London, but he'd made it in time for his daughter's birthday.

What did your family say when you arrived? Although a bit surprised, I wondered how the hell I did it, and I didn't tell them it first, because they probably wouldn't have believed me anyway. What were you doing while Redge was on his trip?

“Do you remember just worrying a lot, do you think about different scenarios?”

Yeah, I would buddy my nails down to the Overse. John Mixorley. Really anxious about things, because it's a long flight, and it takes a long time to get from England to Australia on the plane or any of the years. So I was very anxious, and I wanted to hear from him post-tase, and I didn't hear from him.

So in the end, I was so concerned that I notified somebody I knew from the daily telegraph, and he contacted somebody in Sydney in the press, and they flew out to Redge's place, found out he was at home. He got home, but he hadn't bothered to let me know that he got home. And then the story broke, and in Australia it was huge news, he was picking news in England.

“The news chronicle of that stage, that was a paper, a new paper out.”

The whole front page was about the story. Nothing else on the front page.

I never expected anything like it. I thought if I got caught and just get it.

Kicking the bum, a final, who've locked up who knows, but never expected this. The Australian culture is such that they love a story like that, and somebody would be so desperate to get back to the country that he'd come back as freight. John, on the other hand, was not treated like a folk hero, and his employer Heinz was not happy to discover that they had unwittingly supplied beans for the trip.

And Heinz, they called me into the office, and there's a difference in the cultures. Heinz are very upmarket, and strictly stiff, and they took me off for being irresponsible. Mainball rich was having a holiday in Australia. After the story broke, customs officials checked the storage shed, and found the empty box read to the left behind. A spokesman from the airline was quoted saying, "It's a miracle that spheres arrived in

“perth alive. My blood runs cold when I think of the terrible risks he ran.”

The cargo could have been offloaded and left in some tropical depot over a weekend. Or he could have been discovered on route and thrown into jail, or he could have been packed with other freight and suffocated, or the pressurization and the cargo hold might have failed." When you realize that this was now in the news, and they knew your name, were you worried that you'd be in trouble with the law?

Well, the immigration people, of course, and the customs came and saw me, but I had to fill out a form and sign it, and that was that. And the other thing was air India with their, you know, they asked me to pay the freight charges. According to Reg, he told the airline he would not be paying.

And I never heard it from them again, so that was it.

What tell me a little bit about what you've, what you've been up to, since you're your feet and a box? I was. I got into drugs muggling, because I'm a big fan of weed. I smoke it to this day. I really like it, not much of a drinker, but I like weed and hashish. He's been arrested for conspiracy to import cocaine, and for smuggling and transporting cannabis resin, and heroin.

He's been in prison in more than one country, and he says he spent years of his life on the run. And what's your life like now? Terrific, you know, hell, I'm 80 years old and I can feel it, but, um, you know,

Tell me, you've said you're still friends with, with John McSorley, all these years later,

“when you get together, do you, do you talk about this?”

Oh, yes, we talk about, we laugh, um, and for us, yes, the box is, uh, a real giggle matter. We do we laugh about it all the time.

You'll always be in my life.

Why do you think you've been friends for so long? Because we like each other. The depth of the friendship is something that's not tangible. We're very different in personalities, very different. He's this out that real outgoing guy, and I intend to be fairly reserved,

“reserved Englishman, but somehow it worked, and has continued to work, and we do anything for each other.”

It's a weird thing, but it's nice. It's nice to know that you can meet somebody and be that sort of

close first to them. There are certain, certain times in your life, you come to a crossroads,

as they shall do this, so that they're not. And people don't do it. Now, he's, he's referred to a sort of guy where there was no such singer's count. You can do anything, and he's still still existing him. John had a stroke last year, and red flew from Australia to London to be with him at the hospital. He's looking at John and he's said, "You have just been lying and bloody bad. Let's get you.

“Let's get you out." So he got me in a wheelchair. He took me out of the hospital,”

"Will me round the streets? Will me round the streets?" He said, "You need a haircut," he said. So he's, "Will me to a hairdressers? Will me into the hairdressers?" He said, "Can you cut this guy's hair?" And they did. With him, not just seeing his count. You want to do it? You do it.

This episode was first released in 2023. Since then, John McSorley has been living in a care home.

His unmarkous visits twice a week. He says Redge Spears hasn't been able to visit recently. He's no longer allowed into the UK because of strict immigration controls, but Redge and John still talk as much as they can. Marcus and Julie McSorley, John's wife, wrote a book about Redge's trip. It's called "Out of the Box." The highs and lows of a champion's smuggler. Criminal is created by Lauren Spore and me. Nadia Wilson is our senior producer,

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