Dressed to Kill: American Clothing Is Big Chem’s Favorite Playground | Hannah Dunning

I'm actually getting worse and worse exposure.

“As time goes on those plastics wear down into microplastics or nanoplastics even.”

Nanoplastics have been shown across the blood brain barrier. We've been conditioned to think that every kind of material needs to have the same capabilities that plastic has, like sweat-wicking, waterproof, odor-resistant. All of those are just code words for different chemical concoctions. We have virtually no laws around the chemicals in our clothing.

Talking about this matters because we need regulation. Because you shouldn't have the a wealthy detective to go find a baby onesie that's not full of life-altering chemicals. The clothing industry is one of the least regulated industries in America. We're operating under laws from the 1940s. With infertility rising 1% every year, it's time we take a closer look at what's going

on our bodies. We're demanding better regulations for what's allowed in our food, our water and air, but what about clothing? For maldehyde, lead, forever chemicals, BPAs, plastic, are just a few of the things that Hannah Dunning discovered was allowed in our clothes.

The clothes sitting directly on your reproductive organs for 12 plus hours a day, almost no modern federal oversight. Hannah Dunning, known to many as the clean clothing chick, is a clothing safety advocate in policy reform leader who has spent years digging into what's actually in modern apparel.

From fertility concerns to toxic school uniforms, so the multi-million dollar flight

attendant lawsuit over chemical exposure, she's connecting dots that most of us didn't even know we're there. We're going to get into it in this episode and give you the complete truth about what is in our clothes, and then give you helpful tips on what to do about it, what brands we trust, how to strategically make changes that will make your skin fertility and budget

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If you were to grab a tag in somebody's shirt that is listening right now, what chemicals would you find listed that are allowed in our clothes that are not allowed in our food and water?

Well, first and foremost, you wouldn't find any chemicals listed because you don't have

to list the chemicals in your clothing. The manufacturers don't actually even have to hand over the chemicals that they use, so there's the first problem. Most of the chemicals that are allowed in clothing are not allowed in anything else, because we have virtually no laws around the chemicals in our clothing.

“I can list the laws we do have if you want to know, it's very easy to do.”

It's a very short list. So first, you have to have the fiber percentage on a tag. It's like virtually the only thing, when you're shopping for clothing, that's the only thing you'll see when you look at the tag. We glue you have to have the correct fiber percentage, so 100% cotton or 95% polyester,

5% cotton, whatever. That's that for tax. Now the other law is you can only have a certain amount of lead in children's clothing,

A dull clothing, any amount of lead totally fine, but not for kids. Now that's also partly thanks to the massive lead movement we saw right? You saw a bunch of hubbub about lead in getting it out, and it's proof that consumer awareness matters. We were able to take lead out of a lot of things, so that's where we have the lead law.

Now the third one, believe it or not, is about flame retardants.

So in the 70s, this is a whole story, is there's a very interesting. So in the 70s, they passed a law that said, if you make children's PJs that are loose

“fitted, you have to add flame retardants to them.”

Now flame retardants, we now know, are extremely carcinogenic. It's something you do not want on your kids, but by law, you must put them in children's loose fitted PJs. Now the reason being is because in the 40s, they had a bunch of cases of children being burned by their PJs because they were cooking with open fire and heating their home

with open fire, and that's why 30 years later, they passed that law, and why we still have that law today, is because of open flame. Do you have open flame in your house? No. Neither does anyone, but that is one of the only laws we have protecting us.

I'm still sat on, there's a certain amount of red allowed in our clothing. All the health risk you could imagine are in our clothes right now. In fact, are you ready to go in deep right now? I would go in deep. Okay.

The whole time I am on the edge of my seat, I'm so high. The main chemicals, in my opinion, that you really need to look out for in anything. Food, water, clothing, cosmetics are Zeno estrogens. Have you heard of Zeno estrogens? Yes.

But explain what that is. They are fake estrogens, essentially. That's the easiest way to say it. They mimic estrogens. So, unfortunately, for us, most of the harmful chemicals they use in things like clothing,

thanks to plastic, happen to be Zeno estrogens, parabens, salates, BPA, they all mimic estrogens. And when you place them on your skin, a lot of people think your skin is a barrier. It's actually more like a brain than a barrier, super smart, and your skin can recognize what it wants to let in and what it doesn't want to let in.

And when it sees a Zeno estrogens, it says, "Oh, I'm going to let that in." And unfortunately, Zeno estrogens love fat, and they love oil, which what is our skin made of fat and oil.

So these estrogens or Zeno estrogens basically have a passport into our bloodstream.

And what do they do? They circulate looking for estrogen receptors, which are cells are full of.

“And that's why women, by the way, are more impacted by our clothing than men, thanks to”

the amount of estrogens or receptors we have. What percentage is actually able to absorb through the skin? Totally depends. We have studies that says up to 60%. But what I'm going to tell you is that you can't just think of what can be absorbed, because

there's a huge difference between even just classes of chemicals. The crazy part about what we're talking about is Zeno estrogens are literally made to love fat and oil. They bind better to things that way, right? That's why manufacturers add it to plastic, because it'll bind the color better, or it

will bind the waterproof capabilities better. And these things, again, move right into your skin at levels.

We've really never seen elsewhere.

What happened to you that woke you up and shook you to your core about what's going on in clothing in America? Every moment of my life, I feel like I'm meant to be here to talk about this and do this. But there were two things that really turned the lights on for me. And the first was I was raised by a single mom until I was like 10, and then she met an amazing

man. But up until I was 10, I was partially raised by my grandmother. And my grandmother, when I was 16, ended up dying of estrogen-positive or estrogen-sensitive breast cancer. And so, at the time, I didn't know how I would do it, but I knew that I was going to

do something about that disease. I had to do something. Again, didn't know what it was going to be. I grew up, I go to school, I meet my husband, we get pregnant with our first son. And around 35 weeks of pregnancy, I started itching, really, really badly, specifically

on the palms of my hands and the bottom of my feet. And I went to my midwife, keep in mind, this is during COVID, so just a crazy time in general. And I told her about my symptoms, and she said, "I've been a midwife for 35 years, and I've only seen this sort of thing happen once in a patient, but I'm going to do your blood work because I suspect that it could be something specific."

“And the next day, I got a phone call back from her and she said, "You need to go to the hospital”

right now. Your liver is shutting down." Whoa! It's called ICP. It's called colostasis of pregnancy.

And apparently, or allegedly, less than one person of women get it, but I have reason to

completely healthy, completely normal livers, and then during pregnancy, their liver shut down.

“So, I ended up having to give birth virtually immediately, and my son had a long, nicky”

stay. He's totally healthy now, but when you have this disease of pregnancy, it's no joke. They take the baby out fast, and how far along were you again, 35 weeks. Okay. I delivered technically 36, wow.

My question to my doctor was, "What did I do?" Right? That's the human nature. What did I do to get this? And her answer was nothing.

It's totally random and genetic, of course. Yeah. And it didn't sit right with me, but I'm dealing, I'm navigating COVID and a nicky. I couldn't even go into the nicky with my husband, because you could only have one person.

We're navigating so much, right? And I didn't really think much about it, believe it or not.

I also wasn't asked much about it, either, my doctor never asked me, "What kind of

lifestyle habits did I have?" Or, you know, "What was I eating?" Nothing. So, I didn't really think much about it until I got pregnant again, shortly after, if Irish twins.

And again, I asked, "What can I do to prevent this from happening?" Because when you get ICP or colonistasis, they'll tell you that with each subsequent pregnancy of a 90% chance of getting it once you've already had it. And the doctors will literally tell you there's nothing you can do. They're just going to get it.

And I believed them, because at the time, I had a lot of faith in the medical system. And then my liver shut down again, and the same thing happened. And it got to a point at the end of my pregnancy where I said, "I don't believe this. There's no way that I, a healthy young woman, with no other health problems, just randomly have a liver that doesn't work."

And furthermore, if my liver doesn't work during pregnancy, you're telling me that I'm completely healthy outside of pregnancy, that doesn't make sense to me either. Clearly, my liver's not functioning the way it needs a function and something happened to make it shut down, right? So I did a deep dive, Alex, and I mean, like, deep in the weeds, and that's really hard

to do with this specific pregnancy disease, because it's almost completely unstudied. Literally the studies will tell you we'd need more information. But what I did find out, and this is the crazy part, when I was recovering from my second pregnancy or rather my second birth, they put these wild, birthing underpants on you afterwards, like big grainy panties to help you recover what have you.

Well, I put them on in a couple hours later, I broke out in complete hives, a whole rash,

I've never, ever, ever broken out before that way.

And I realized I took the underwear off, and I smelled them, and there was this nasty chemical smell.

“And I was like, "Oh my gosh, like, what is in this?”

What did I just put on my body?" This is also well investigating everything in my life that I'm putting into my body and I realized what's in our clothes, and I'm telling you, Alex, my mind, when I found out that the same chemicals, Xenocestrogens, that have been shown to, I have to say, potentially contribute to breast cancer, the specific kind my grandmother had, with the same chemicals

that slow down bioacid function in your liver, which was the exact thing that I had in my pregnancy. You are kidding. No. I feel like I was meant to discover that through both of those instances, we can talk about the chemicals in our clothing.

Did you start testing your clothing, or what did you start doing after that? I didn't have to, because you can look at the research globally and see that in every test they run, most of the clothes, and I mean, most, a large portion of the clothes, and sometimes all of them have at least one dangerous chemical for humans. Did you overnight completely overhaul every piece of clothing you had?

Was this a gradual process? How did you do this? I went completely extreme, which I don't recommend. This is me. You and me are like...

Yes. There's no halfway anything for me? Yep. For better, for worse. The video of me sitting in front of my closet and going through every piece of clothing

and the pile of the clothes I'm getting rid of, massive. The pile of the clothes I'm keeping, I kid you not two shirts. I knew I was gonna say it's like two things.

“What brand shocked you the most when you were digging in?”

All of them. All of them shocked me, because I was shocked in general, however, active wear. If you really want to get spicy, we can talk about active wear, because I have a lot of feelings about that, and specifically what's in our active wear. Let me first ask you, is skin really impermeable like we've been told?

No, not at all. Why do we use patches for nicotine? Why do we use topical chemotherapy medicines? Our skin is not just a barrier.

Again, our bodies are incredible, and it's meant to keep certain things out, but like I

it wants to let in and what it wants to keep out, and we made Frankenstein of creations

when we created these chemicals that have essentially an easy path to rectally into our bloodstream.

“How does the skin absorption of what's in our clothes actually work?”

I mean, is it going into our bloodstreams or what? Correct. It ends up in your bloodstream, and now, of course, it's dependent on the chemical. It's dependent on how much of the chemical, it's dependent on if you have cuts or abrasions or if you're sweating and your pores open up, or if it's hot, sonas, which we can talk

about, right? There's all kinds of conditions that can increase your risk, but generally speaking, yes, they have the propensity to enter into your bloodstream, and not only that, but they are actively searching for estrogen receptors.

That's a huge problem for women because of the estrogen receptors.

Is there a difference in where the clothing is manufactured? Like if it's made in the USA, does that make it less chemically contaminated? No. Almost every manufacturer is using the same kind of chemicals to give clothing certain aspects. We've been conditioned thanks to us getting used to plastic to think that every kind of

material needs to have the same capabilities that plastic has, like sweat-wicking, waterproof, odor resistant. All of those are just code words for different chemical concoctions. Is heat and sweat making chemical exposure worse? Yes.

We've even found that oxidization is one of the greatest risk factors for these chemicals. I'll give you an example. We're all familiar at this point likely with PFAS. PFAS are really dangerous, polyfluoroal, alcohol substances, forever chemicals, forever well.

What's really interesting is that long-chain PFAS over time thanks to sun exposure, heat exposure, friction can actually turn into what we call PFAS. So polyfluoroal, alcohol acids, that is the forever part of the chemical. That's when we're talking about the people in Dalton, Georgia, or other people across the

“United States who are being poisoned by PFAS, that's what we're really worried about”

is that acid. That happens when a PFAS is worn down, turns into a mutant, almost like a mutant chemical. I knew some about this subject. You are teaching me so much. I've loved following you on Instagram because there's so much that you talk about that's

blowing my mind. And I feel as if you are the start of my clean clothing journey, like I just know myself and I'm like, oh man, here it is. I was sad. This girl, the radical as me, when you said that it kind of warps the PFAS and it turns

this chemical into kind of a mutant or whatever. In my mind, I'm thinking, okay, sure, I have a pair of chemical leggings that is an ideal.

But I've had them for years, they've been washed and dried a million times, surely.

All of that's kind of worn off and it's been, it's gone down the drain at this point. But are you telling me that actually the longer I keep the chemical laden clothing and I'm washing and drying it, I'm actually getting worse and worse exposure? Yeah, correct. It depends on the chemical and it depends on the material.

If we're talking about plastic, which 90% of your wardrobe and all of our wardrobe, except for me and some people who have made this switch is plastic. And when you say plastic, what is the fabric that we're looking for that means it's plastic? I have lists on my Instagram that are really helpful because it can be confusing because what's happening is we're collectively waking up and so these companies say, oh, shoot, we

need to rename our plastic. But the most common ones are going to be a last name, Lycra, nylon, polyester, there's a bunch of them and the acrylic is a huge one too acrylics really, not really. So those are the ones to watch out for. But the reason this is complicated, it gets complicated and people don't like me for this

because it would be really easy for me to say, just avoid plastic and choose natural fibers. But you can put chemicals on anything and they do. We have studies showing that baby clothing has the highest amount of salates in it and it's usually in cotton. So salates are primarily in baby clothes and cotton over plastic.

So how do you shop for organic cotton, baby clothes? How do you know that it isn't at the chemicals? You want to look for certifications?

“So dots, global organic textile standard, dots of certification, you should look for, that's”

the best in my opinion of what we have today. You can also look for echo texts, which reduces chemical exposure. It's not my favorite because you can slap an echo text label on plastic too, gotts. You have to be an organic natural fiber. So they won't even put gotts on bamboo, for example, because it's not a natural fiber after

its process. For the clothing brand options that we have that have the gotts label certification, do we have very many options?

Very panic in that question. Yeah, so it's growing. It's growing. If you look for them, but that is why talking about this, it's someone said a problem well stated as a problem half solved, right?

Talking about this matters because we need regulation, because you shouldn't have the a wealthy detective to go find a baby onesie that's not full of life altering chemicals. And I mean, that exactly how it sounds.

When we're talking about do my clothes get worse over time, always yes if it's plastic.

No matter what. Yeah, because as time goes on, those plastics wear down into microplastics or nanoplastics even. Nanoplastics have been shown across the blood brain barrier. And if you think about it, plastic actually takes 10 to 14,000 different chemicals just

to make it. So many of those chemicals have never been studied long term on humans.

“That's why scientists in all fields are freaking out about microplastics, right?”

Because we don't actually understand the implications yet. The picture that's being painted isn't a good one. We're just really, truly at the tip of the iceberg there. So no matter what your plastic over time gets worse. Now with natural fibers, you can make an argument for certain chemicals that over time

they get better. For example, for maldehyde is one that easily washes out or I should say more easily washes out over time.

So if you have a cotton shirt and there's for maldehyde all over it, wash it a few times

it's much better. But if you have a cotton shirt with PFAS on it, for example, the opposite is true. It gets worse over time. And you have no way of knowing if that's on the act unless you're taking it to some lab and getting it tested.

If it doesn't have that guts certification, correct. And I will also add, there was a study done. This is where I get really fired up. I'm a mom of two boys, one's in preschool, one's newly freshly in kindergarten. And both of them were uniforms.

This is crazy. They did a study of United States and Canadian preschool uniforms that were labeled water

“proof or stain resistant, which is virtually all kids clothes because that's what people”

want. They want reduction in stains. 100% of them tested positive for PFAS actually. And the highest amounts were in the 100% cotton once. Now, if you think about it, the reason is because cotton absorbs everything right.

And so if you're going to sell a mom who doesn't know better, just like me, a few years ago, when before I started this whole journey, I didn't know better. If you had said, do you want this cotton t-shirt for your child with the ability to reduce stains? I would have said, yes, of course, and I'll pay more for it, right?

So it makes sense. People buy it because to get cotton to be stain resistant and waterproof, you have to doze it in chemicals. It's not naturally that way. So what do you do for your kids school uniform?

The trick is this, if you email your school and tell them that your child has an allergic reaction to the uniforms, you can get a medical exemption form, or you can medically opt out, which is exactly what I did. I found sort of comparable polos, right? They looked similar, but they were organic cotton.

And then I literally went on Etsy and I had somebody make my kids school logo and I sewed it on. Actually, that's would be lying. I had my grandma sewed on. And that's how we got around it.

And you can do that.

“And you should do that because most kids uniforms have at least some form of harmful”

chemicals in them from the studies that we've done. OK, kind of in a side, but what do you use for laundry detergent? I'm just curious. Wonderful question. And I will give you a list for your show notes.

OK. What I'm using right now is called molly suds. And that's actually a really important point because people ask all the time, can you wash off chemicals? And again, for some chemicals, yes, you can reduce it in the wash for others.

No. But what really matters is your laundry detergent because if you're trying to get rid of these harmful chemicals, don't add the harmful chemicals to the clothes. So there's going to be a theme here with your food, with your cosmetics, with your laundry detergent, with your clothes, zino estrogens.

There's a lot of zino estrogens added to laundry detergent. And really interestingly, zino estrogens are what we call hydrophobic. They hate water. So when you put them in the wash, they're actively looking for a way to get out of the water.

The fibers, it's the easiest place to go and they attach to the fibers themselves. Most American moms are putting their kids in the car wearing their leggings. They're traveling in their leggings or grocery shopping in their leggings. They're taking their kids to the park and their leggings. They are in their leggings for 10 plus hours a day.

What should that mom know?

So was I first and foremost, most, I feel American women and not so much in Europe because

they wear leggings less. But generally, most American women are in the same position, and they need to know that the chemicals inside of their clothes, the worst area you could possibly put them on, are your breasts and your vagina. That is the worst area.

Why? Because we have mucus membranes. Anything you put up there is going in there and story.

They did a study and in uterine tumors.

“They did a comparison between the cancerous ones and the non-cancerous ones.”

The cancerous ones had much higher levels of parabens than the non-cancerous ones. Anything you put up there is going to end up in your body and it's true for your breasts as well. Brows are a huge, huge problem. And we are about 100 years behind with our bras right now.

Let me notice this gen Z trend where guys wear one dangling earring. Have you seen that Simon? Uh-huh, uh-huh, not two. It's not a set. A guy who just has one mysterious little pirate accessory. You'll see a guy ordering an ice-match a lot, and he's got the single earring gently swaying,

like he just returned from a void across the Atlantic.

I always want to ask them.

If you're that committed to aesthetics, are you at least committed to clean personal care products? Because a lot of the stuff people use every day, deodorant, toothpaste, floss. It's full of weird ingredients that you probably wouldn't voluntarily rub on your body if you knew what they were.

Well, I like zebra, they make really clean everyday essentials that really work. Their deodorant is aluminum-free, pair of and free fragrance-free. It goes on clear. It doesn't go on chunky. It holds up in real life heat.

“I live in Arizona, so I'm basically like the ultimate giddy pig for that.”

Plus they offer two formulas with or without baking soda for sensitive skin. Their floss is made from real silk with peppermint oil and zyletal, not polyester-like most floss. Meaning you're not dragging microplastics across your gums. And their toothpaste tablets are simple, chew, brush done.

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Our bras more concerning because of being so close to lymphatic tissue. It's more about your estrogen receptors. Yes, I don't believe underwires are necessarily good because of lymphatic flow. We're really concerned about estrogen receptors, which most the most densely populated place in a woman's body for estrogen receptors are your breasts.

They rely deeply heavily on estrogen. Basically think about it like this. Your estrogen receptors are little satellites inside of your cell and they are actively searching to bind to estrogen. Estrogen gives those cells a message.

It'll say, go to this place, maybe your pregnant go make milk here for this amount of time, right? We need that. But unfortunately, the Zeno estrogens tell the receptors, hey, I'm estrogen and our receptors

actively go looking for it, bind to it, but the problem is they then give them the wrong

signal. They say go to the wrong place for the wrong amount of time and they stay on. So when we're talking about disease, it's typically when cells mutate. They keep creating bad cells or the wrong cells mutate.

“That's what causes a lot of disease and that is what Zeno estrogens can do.”

BPA specifically has been found too cause denser breast tissue. But here's the trick. It's on pregnant mothers, it's on their offspring. So in other words, they did a test on rats and they dosed the pregnant mothers BPA. And what they found was that the children, the daughters of those rats, had denser breast

tissue, and that they found can actually increase your odds of breast cancer. Why? Because it can cause pressure on things like milk ducks, which can cause inflammation, which can then cause disease. Oh, this is good to know, because I just did one of those pre-nouveau scans.

Yeah. And that was something that came up. I said, I have extremely dense breast tissue. Okay. So you are at a much higher risk.

And I don't say this to scary because there's a lot of things you can do to mitigate that risk. It's just important to know. Like knowing is everything. Yeah, you have a much higher risk of breast cancer statistically with dense breast

tissue. Here's my thing with the bras and natural fibers. Is it just seems like the options are like a little piece of cloth, and they're just hanging. We're just hanging and banging.

And that's all we're doing. And I like a lift and I like padding. Does that exist at all? No. Well, almost because I'm making one.

Okay. I got to the literally the same point. Just certain types of clothing and outfits. I cannot be having just like nothing. It's totally understandable. I have a couple things to help you.

So first and foremost, and this is a huge issue, especially for larger tested women,

is there's nothing that's supportive. That's also clean. That's true. There's not one bra on the market with a cup that is completely plastic or chemical free.

It does not exist. That's because making the cup is really hard without plastic. Yeah. What do you use? We're formulating that.

It's hard. But I think we have it. We'll see if it works, then I will not patent it, because I want people to use it. Women deserve options. But let me get back to you and make sure it works first.

Okay. But one thing you can do, and this is going to sound crazy, it is crazy.

having this conversation, because hopefully we can make leaps and bounds of progress.

“But you should be wearing some barrier between yourself and your bra right now.”

So an organic cotton candy or a bra let underneath your bra. What? Right. To provide some kind of barrier between the toxic bra and your breasts. That's going to be hot.

What about breastfeeding? You've got to eat well. Well, maternity bras are a huge issue too. Why? Because, well, most of them are stain resistant or waterproof because of milk.

So they add chemicals, we're finding these chemicals in mother's milk, also the placenta, also the umbilical quartz. But in mother's milk, and it makes its way into the baby. So it's a huge problem, and that is why it's imperative for you to look for certifications when looking at maternity bras.

Okay.

What brands for maternity bras do you like?

I'll give you all the, I have a whole list on it. It's all I do, really. My Instagram is I just give people companies to go look for and look for better. There's one very clean brand that, I don't love them aesthetically, but it's called cotton eek.

Okay, cotton eek. They make a clean bra. There's it's called the very good bra. They make clean bras. They have a clean maternity bra.

That's probably those two are the cleanest you can get. I want them to be cuter for all category. What is packed?

“I don't think packed makes a maternity bra specifically that I think they only make”

camis or bra lads I'd have to check, but I don't think they do maternity. Did you trust them as a brand for underwear? I do. Yeah, I think that, listen, we could be a purist here and say that clothing, even for dies, they should be using like natural botanical dies.

That's true. It's not functional. And you can make much safer dies using non-toxic ones, which a company like packed does. They use non-toxic dies.

Ideally, would they be natural? Yeah, but I mean, come on, that's so much better. And they are, they have certifications, they use tons of organic cotton. Yes. They use for underwear.

That's a good option. Okay. I talk about this a lot. In fertility rates in the US are just exploding, we're seeing infertility rise 1% every single year.

“Do you believe that clothing is a major contributor to this?”

100% 100% 100% and the studies prove it, is clothing the biggest loophole in consumer protection. I believe so. I believe it is the largest loophole in American regulation today. Some people have tried to draw attention to how bad our rules on cosmetics and beauty products

are. I mean, it's clothing worse, or they about the same. Imagine if we didn't have the FDA at all. Even with how messed up on regulatory systems, imagine if it didn't exist. Imagine what these companies would be trying to get away with.

That is what is going on with our clothing. There are no gatekeepers. Why do you call clothing in America big chemicals, favorite playground? Because they have virtually no restrictions around it. They can make any kind of chemical concoction and sell it for clothing.

And they don't have to worry about really any regulation. In theory, giant asterics in theory, we would be being protected through the toxic substances control act. However, that's a whole thing. We can get into in terms of enforcement or lack thereof.

Tiska. We talk about it. Yeah. SCA, what is going on with that? Tiska was passed in the '70s.

And the Lawtonburg Act, the Frank Lawtonburg Act, was passed in 2016. And what happened when Tiska was passed was 62,000 chemicals that were already on the market were essentially grandfathered in. Because they said, "Uh-oh, we have a chemical problem. People are getting obviously sick and hurt.

We have to have some kind of safeguard." What a concept. And we got to do something so they created it. Then in 2016, they passed the Lawtonburg Act because those chemicals got grandfathered in. And people were like, "Well, that's 62,000 of most harmful chemicals are just grandfathered

in. And they're forever okay. That doesn't make sense."

So the Lawtonburg Act basically said, "If the risk is high enough essentially or there's

enough red flags, we can address that chemical even if it was already sort of technically grandfathered in." It's supposed to help, right, supposed to. And they just reviewed for maldehyde, for example, and found that it posed unreasonable risk.

And in May, they're supposed to have some kind of restrictions around for maldehyde, but I'd be willing to bet. It will have nothing to do with clothing because, in our country, we consider clothing an industrial tool, essentially. And we're not thinking of it as something that interacts with your body, the way that

we think of food or drugs or cosmetics. We just think of it as this thing that you put on your body and it's just a thing a tool when it's not. So clothing, the chemicals in it should technically be regulated under Tisca, but they're

We have mass amounts of people in Georgia being poisoned through PFAS and what are they

do?

“Did they pass a federal ban on PFAS and consumer products?”

No. No. And they're not going to unless people absolutely take it to them and demand that that happens, which I believe we can do. But here's the problem, Alex, with clothing specifically or with anything.

In the United States of America, we regulate chemical by chemical. That's not sustainable and that's, in my opinion, very purposeful on behalf of big chemical. What do you mean? I mean, we could ban PFAS and they'll just use short chain PFAS instead. Or we could ban BPA and they'll just put BPS and stuff instead, which, by the way, we're

seeing that most BPA free things, including food packaging, just to have BPS and them. What is BPA for somebody that has no idea what we're talking about? It is one of the worst Zeno estrogens you could possibly have. It makes plastic clear. That's usually why they add it.

By someone else's, they're typically added to make the plastic stretchier or clearer. So you can see through the plastic, right? And including it's primarily for the stretchy effect. BPS, we're finding, is actually worse than BPA. So this is why, and I just want to be really clear, it's overwhelming.

People go after me online all the time because I am popping their bubble. It's your burst in mind right now. It's not fun. But I will say we will get into a point of this interview. One hundred percent.

One hundred percent. That's exactly what I want to make clear. There is a path forward.

Who created the first synthetic clothes and why?

DuPont. I mean, DuPont was the first one to manufacture them at mass, especially in the United States. They were located in the US. They were chemistry company first.

“Then they, I think they started with gunpowder actually.”

And then they decided we should make more things because we're moving away from gunpowder. We don't really need gunpowder anymore because technology is advancing. What else can we make? So they started making applications for the military. So think of like parachutes or even like the clothes soldiers would wear to keep them dry,

right? Experiment with these chemical concoctions, how can we make this piece of clothing better for soldiers? Well, the wars end and all of a sudden, they're not making money the way they were. And they were worried about going out of business.

So they said, how can we use these chemical concoctions that we were using in wartime to sell to the average consumer? So they come up with nonstick pants and chemical clothing and nylon pantyhose. That was the first piece of synthetic clothing that was introduced to. Housewives.

Nonetheless, really nylon pantyhose were where it all began. And this was a time where it's post war. So people are really happy, people are going back to work, right? We're boosting the economy, women are going back to work. And so what do they say?

They say, I think we need wrinkle resistance stuff. Let's make a woman's life easier because they don't have time to go home and iron their husbands clothes anymore. What can we do to make it wrinkle resistant, right? So essentially a race to come up with the next best chemical to give clothing the next best

thing to sell.

And that race has never stopped.

You know what I think is interesting is that when seed oils were introduced into the market, they did it through Krisco and wanted to, yep, housewives to bake with that. When they wanted to create synthetic clothing, they did it through nylon pantyhose. They wanted housewives to use that. They wanted us to use nonstick pants.

Everything was marketed to women. We are the guinea pig. They know that we make the day-to-day consumer decisions, correct? When Rockefellers trying to put oil by products and things, what is he doing? Okay, pharmaceutical drugs.

Who's going to the doctor's office? Who's planning those visits? It's the women. It's always us. And so that is why we are the most powerful consumers is because if we all the sudden decide

to get together and step up and say no more, we literally screw them in such a delicious way. We have so much power. We influence everything.

“That's why the chemical companies hate my guts right now because I'm getting my entire”

audience to stand up and call their senators and stuff about chemical liability shields in their states. They absolutely load me right now. So I think that really says something that it's women, women, women, women. Absolutely.

Well, statistically speaking, we make over 80% of purchasing decisions. Period. When it comes to our household. When we start making informed, different consumer decisions, we literally change America. Correct.

But the thing I love talking about with big chemical, they can add me to their list to Alex. I'll stand next to you on that one in terms of who they want to go after. We can share our room with the Google Log. Great. We give me bunkmates love it.

Let's do it. But here's the thing. They've sold to women for so long because we make the purchasing decisions. But what they didn't account for. And I actually made a post about this the other day.

I've really fired up watching. I think you actually had a post about Aaron Brockovich. Like you used her meme and you were like me whenever, okay, well, the thing that they do not or have not accounted for when they do something as a grievous as getting in the

wild, props to them for that kind of power.

However, what they don't account for clearly by doing something so crazy because that was a slap in the face to Mohan moms across America is they don't account for the power and the anger that a mother has. Women in general, yes, but have babies. And then have someone try to poison them and see what a mom will do to make that stop.

So if I were big chemical, thank God, I'm not. If I were, I would have been a lot more subtle with my strategy.

“I think they made a huge mistake and one thing I said to is, I wonder what they're”

going to do with the millions of Aaron Brockovich's that are about to pop up. Whoo! I got goose bumps. Okay. Big chemical can try to take any one person down.

They can try to cancel you, silence you.

If they did that to me, if they tried to cancel me or silence me, 100 more of me will pop

right back up because the toothpaste is out of the tube. People have woken up. We have the data, we have the research, and in fact, that research is catching up with our technology and we know better. Is toxic clothing actually a national security threat?

I think so. Is it making a sick? Absolutely. The studies say so. Imagine not protecting your own people from the very stuff that's making them sick.

I think health is the center of a country's strategy in every category. If your people are sick, your country is sick. You are weak. So when you are completely liable or completely vulnerable to something that is so pervasive, absolutely, it's a national security problem.

Is dependency on synthetic petroleum-based textiles part of that? 100%, but I think it's bigger than that. I think it's more of a chemical problem.

I think plastic itself is inherently something that should never be on a human body and

story. We went through this huge thing where, of course, you know, don't throw the plastic away, throw it on people's bodies. How does that make sense? Right.

It's a terrible idea. Is there a supply chain vulnerability if we were to stop making clothing with some of these chemicals?

“It's expensive, but I think that it mostly starts with a consumer awareness, right?”

Because if people think that they want water resistant or waterproof things or people think they have to wear lulu, lemon leggings to work out and they don't buy your stuff, that's, yeah, you're going to take huge losses. But when women decide not only do I not want to work out and not anymore, but I'm actively looking for better stuff, I want something else and I'm willing to pay for it too.

It's actually an opportunity for businesses. I coach business is all the time, like you have no idea how much money you could make if you actually started addressing the women's health problem, especially. How do you feel about clothing from Amazon and Sheen? No.

Don't do it. It's too much of a liability. I can't think of really anything worse to put on your body. Isn't there a crazy study that found that the Sheen clothing was filled to the broom with lead, especially their children's clothing, correct?

And that's illegal in the United States as well. But honestly, I think lead is sort of the least of our worries now. Thanks to the work we've done around lead, right? It's obviously a very dangerous thing and it shouldn't be added, but there's enough awareness and enough legislation where manufacturers have been forced to address it.

The other chemicals are just not only a free for all, it's encouraged, like people are paying more for these chemicals. The companies are paying more to have chemists come up with new chemicals. So it's, yeah, it's a huge problem. So what do you think is like the absolute worst material, like, if your shirt or your pants

says this, run-to-lock? Whilst statistically speaking, polyester is the worst when we're talking about degradation, microplastics, and leaching of chemicals, polyester is typically full of BPI. Here goes my arritzia, workpants, for real, don't wear them, okay? But here's a deal.

I get lit up online about this trust me. If you're for fun, you can go look at a post I just made about regular cotton.

“Skims just launched a new natural fibers, I think they call it everyday cotton line, right?”

And that's because they see people waking up. Kim Kardashian actually, the words natural fibers came out of her mouth in their promo. And they're positioning themselves as they should, as the hero in terms of, it makes sense to move towards natural fibers. People want it.

You better do it now. The train sort of already left the station, and you're kind of already too late to be honest. But, but at least they're, you know, starting to think about it, but here's the problem. That cotton could theoretically be, probably, is just as toxic as a lot of plastic. People don't like when I talk about that because they think, oh, I'm at the store.

I see a hundred percent cotton shirt better than plastic. That's what I'm doing. It's not true because of the chemicals added. Again, you can add these harmful chemicals to any material, right?

want cotton, but they don't want it to get stained or something like that. So they add chemicals. So my point is, if skims actually wanted to make a difference, they actually wanted to do something for women, which they should because they're marketing to women, then they should actually focus on chemicals, not just natural fibers.

Let's have the chemical conversation. How's Victoria's Secret doing with all of this? I don't like them at all. For more reasons than one, let me tell you what made me really angry.

“We have the Victoria's Secret Fashion Show happening the last one, right?”

Oh, so groundbreaking. They sent a pregnant woman down the run-away house. And they be a man, old woman, okay, wonderful. You must love women, except for not at all. And we all know it.

Women aren't stupid on the contrary. If you cared about women, you would be having a chemical conversation. How about 100% organic cotton bra with no chemicals? It's not that crazy. It's not.

And it's what we deserve. They also went through a massive lawsuit not too long within the last, I don't know, 10 15 years with chemicals in their underwear, right? I have people in the industry, like fighting for sustainability and whatever, who defend Victoria's Secret because they're B-Corp certified, which if you're in the fashion world,

B-Corp certification should be table stakes to sell something.

It's basically saying we are ethical in terms of who we're hiring, who we're using,

like no child, sweat, shops, that kind of deal. That's not groundbreaking. That should be table stakes. So we have people defending Victoria's Secret because of that. But let me be very, very clear, based on the data, based on what is in most bras tested.

And I don't want to fear longer, not all bras out there have, you know, high levels of PFAS or whatever, but most of them have at least one harmful chemical. And if there are pads inside of them, 100% they do because those pads, those bra pads

“are made up of completely plastic full of chemicals, okay?”

So I think most people need to understand that these bras are full of plastic, which is inherently dangerous. If you are wearing a plastic bra, you are putting yourself at risk. So Victoria's Secret is a great example of companies using women, not just selling to women, but using them to sell something, talking about female empowerment.

What really made me angry was Skim's collab with Nike. They had Serena Williams on there, which I don't know what Serena Williams is doing. She's promoting GLP once, and, yeah, it's a whole whole thing. I, why?

But anyways, the companies who are putting these amazing female athletes out there working

out no less, talking about female empowerment and you're making the clothes that are making a sick, how does that make sense? It's dark. It's predatory, in my opinion, when it comes to selling something, that's making women sick.

And then using women at the same time to sell it, like nothing gets more messed up in my opinion than that.

“What other chemicals are we finding in women's underwear?”

Well, there was a wild study out of China. They tested. It was like 132 different pairs of women's underwear, and BPA was found in 100% of them. Women's underwear has really the same chemicals as anything else, including our bras. It's just that it's more dangerous when it's on those two parts.

So the same chemical concoctions are used for most things. It's just, you know, typically more of some, depending on different capabilities or characteristics you want during manufacturing. I did see just researching for this episode. I did see in tons and tons of studies routinely.

One of the brands that came up is one of the worst culprits is thanks underwear and the period. There's something. A lot of these period under garments that we're supposed to be using to be able to like bleed without having to wear tampons or pads are incredibly toxic, right?

So what are we finding in period underwear? All of the craziest things you can think of, PFAS, BICE Fennel's, you've seen parabens, they lates for Meldehyde. For Meldehyde, I'm sure, but again, for Meldehyde as awful as it is and it is awful. I'm not downgrading how terrible for Meldehyde as a model.

You can watch a lot of it out, but the other chemicals, it's a very different story. I think a lot of us walk around feeling tired, foggy, or just off, and we kind of shrug and say, well, I guess I just might be getting older, your body is not a mystery. Okay, it's constantly giving you signals through your hormones, nutrient levels, inflammation markers, metabolism, stress hormones.

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Which honestly makes sense, because most homes today have something called sick building syndrome. Our houses are sealed up with modern materials, synthetic products, cleaning chemicals, cooking smoke, dust, pollen, mold spores, and we just sit in it, breathing it all day. That's why Jasper is so interesting.

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And use code Alex for $300 off that's JASPR.co code Alex for $300 off. What is your opinion on low blinkets and minkey contour? I'm so against them. I'm so against them too. So first of all, minkey contour and low blinkets 100% polyester.

And it's this furry blanket that, you know, the fur just just tough soft and floats around your home and is being ingested by your babies and your pets and getting on everything in it. Anything. Well, in any case, anything to do with polyester is a no.

If it's plastic, it's a no, especially when you're sleeping in it, we're spending a lot of time in it. When you sleep, that is one of the times that your body detoxes the most at.

It's critical for detoxing.

Sleep is critical for that time for your liver, for your brain, for your blood. It cleanses during certain hours of the night. Well, when I have posted about low blinkets before, and I've been just, all I've said is, you know who is a great person to gift, you know who you should gift a low, low blanket or a minkey contour blanket to.

Your number one worst enemy. That's so funny. And then they've got Pookey, who I love. I love Pookey. Who is Pookey?

The famous influencer. Oh, that's Pookey. Pookey. He looks so fine. Yeah.

Fantastic. Okay. They have Pookey, who just created her own line with low-labelinkets to do the Pookey blanket. Pookey doesn't know better. Poor Pookey.

I know. God bless. Pookey, save her. We have to save Pookey to save America. Now it's all crystal clear.

It's all coming together.

“Honestly, I have a lot of really great blanket companies that could send Pookey.”

Okay. Great. Who are they? Just tell us. Tell us the swimsuits, the blanket.

Full master list of all of the companies. Give me a couple for blankets specifically. Yeah. And swimsuits are so hard. We're at a point in time where our technology hasn't fully caught up with some of the characteristic

plastics give. For example, even if you find clean workout gear, you're still going to have a little bit of plastic in it to give it any kind of stretch. We're close. We're really close to having really functional alternatives, right?

However, on market today, you're still going to have to have a little bit of plastic. But there's ways to do it better. You can get echo text certified plastic. You can make sure your plastic doesn't have certain amount of chemicals in it. There are ways to do it.

However, with bathing suits, there's no real option that provides stretch on the market that I've found today. That's not like a 100% plastic, which is like all bathing suits are. There's a really interesting company called Beach Candy, Beach Candy Organics. And the founder actually started a regular swimsuit company.

Went on her own health journey, realized that all the products she was making were contributing to making human sick.

And like the amazing person she is, she decided she couldn't ethically do that anymore.

Okay. So, I'm a beach girl.

I'm at the beach all the time.

You cannot surf, you know, you cannot dive, you cannot whatever in a natural fiber bathing suit. It's not functional. You're going to give a lot of people a show. So this is the exception for you and your family.

It is, however, what I do and this might sound crazy, but I put my little boys and organic

“cotton underwear and I make them wear that under their bathing suit and guess what?”

They don't even know any different. They think it's normal. But for women and for little girls, harder because what are you, you know, what are you going to do? So I would, that's hard, beach candy organics makes great ones.

If you're just a lay on the beach or you're in a place like Arizona and you're going to the pool and you're going to lay by the side of the pool, you could totally wear a bathing suit like that from them. There is a company for kids bathing suits. I think they may make adult ones now.

I think it's called pure earth. This is why I'm going to have to give you a list so I can double check all of these names because they're new. These are all companies like just on the scene. We'll put it in the show notes.

They make clean, kids bathing suits, which are epic and they're made out of organic cotton and the thing about cotton is it dries really fast. Well listen, any of these clothing that you know, I don't have a clothing sponsor. So if any of these people love the show and love what we're talking about and want to

“be a part of the show, then you should contact me.”

There's lots of little companies doing really good stuff. There are smaller options just that they cost more. So let's talk about blankets and sheets and stuff. Actually sheets are, there's a company who's really incredible. Their name's Isomi, A.I.Z.O.M.E. They, I mean, they just go to the ends of the earth to make

the cleanest possible fabrics. They use like real indigo that's literally alive from Japan and it can literally interact with your skin biome. You're saying send, you know, you're biggest enemy, minky or low-lobalinkets. Well, the person you love the most, your mom or whoever, you should send them Isomi sheets.

And they should pay me for that. They make organic cotton bed sheets with real indigo and they actually got it certified as a medical device through the FDA, what do you mean medical device? Because it interacts with your skin and because clothing and what you put in it historically

has always been used as a medical device.

Linin, for example, is literally speeds up healing, which is why we call bed sheets historically linens because we would use them in hospitals and it would actually intensify the healing process.

“So fabrics hold, not only can they be really dangerous when you just completely obliterate”

them with terrible chemicals, they can actually be healthy for you if you use the right things. As tools, which humans have been doing up until the 20th century when we started mass producing plastic, our teenagers going through puberty, especially vulnerable to chemicals and clothing.

Yes, teenagers also pregnant women, babies, anyone who's going through hormonal changes, yes, because your body is literally writing code at that time, new code. What's really interesting is even when you're pregnant, let's say like myself, as pregnant when I was wearing Lord knows what off of Amazon at the time I was working for Amazon at the time, fun fact during COVID, I'm literally ordering all my clothes online, putting

them on and what can happen with some of these chemicals is when baby is exposed in utero while the baby's code is being written, right, scrolling, it can actually cause issues down the line later when that genetic code is read at a different age of theirs. So this is a really fascinating topic we're getting into called epigenetics. And epigenetics, we're seeing these chemicals, probably play a huge role in them.

I mean, we found there's a study they put rats in a cage, which by the way, just fun fact, big chemical will tell you that animal studies are irrelevant because humans are different. That's one of the tools that they use in their tool belt to invalidate, you know, the studies we're talking about.

Never mind the fact that you can't do human studies because that's unethical on ethical,

which is why they don't like animal studies either. They'd rather the studies not be done, right? Of course. But they did a study on mice and the mice accidentally started eating the inside of their cage.

They didn't even mean for them to do that and they were being exposed to BPA as a result. Well, interestingly enough, the babies of those mice started having fertility issues because it was likely epigenetics because these chemicals can actually, basically lay dormant or it's not even lay dormant. They're on.

They're impacting these bodies. It's just that certain functions that come on later in life can be impacted by early exposure during prenatal times and same thing, sure, with teenagers during puberty. What does polyester do to progesterone? There was a study where female dogs wearing polyester had fertility issues.

What happened? So this study went really, really viral. It was actually done with male dogs and female dogs. But most people get this study completely wrong. This blew my mind when I actually read the study.

So in the 90s, they took a big group of dogs and they split them into these ones where the male ones. A group wearing polyester underpants, a group wearing cotton underpants. They kept them in there for six months. What they found is the ones wearing polyester, underwear, had reduced sperm motility, reduced

And that caused obviously fertility problems, right?

Well, the cotton group, they didn't see any of those impacts. Here's the part people get wrong. They actually made the underpants themselves, the researchers did. And by the way, this is an observational study. So we need more research on this specifically.

But these researchers made the underpants themselves. In other words, they weren't adding chemicals for like sweat resistant capabilities or stain resistant capabilities.

“They were just using pure polyester and pure cotton, right?”

Whatever was in the cotton. What they found is because of this, it wasn't a chemical issue. It was an electrostatic issue, which is fascinating because what that means is that when you rub this polyester together, it actually creates an electrostatic field that interferes with the cells in places around friction.

So think about the male dogs, where the polyester underpants are rubbing, it's their privates.

And it is creating, basically, you can think of a little force field and it's inhibiting

the cells sending messages because our cells function oftentimes on electrical signals. Our bodies are made up of tons of electrical signals, polyester interferes with that. So what's fascinating about that and the reason I say that it's different than most people think is because there weren't even chemicals in that equation. So imagine if there had been chemicals in normal underwear, the kind we see in everyday

normal underwear, the kind that's virtually every single pair of polyester underwear that men are wearing, it's the electrostatic problem and the chemical function problem. It's a huge issue. Now, the study you were talking about was with the female ones, they re-did the study in the early 2000s, did the same study virtually the same with female dogs.

And they saw the same thing with progesterone, with also, they weren't, they weren't ovulating as essentially what happened is the polyester electrostatic function caused them to not ovulate. Again, if they had added the chemicals, I would hypothesize that that study would have been even more mind-blowing.

Because they are increased risk of miscarriage when you were clothing with BPAs. Yeah, statistically speaking, yes, and there's a lot of research to back that up. BPA can inhibit proper implantation, which can cause, of course, miscarriage. It can cause chromosomal abnormalities or contribute to chromosomal abnormalities. Again, a huge number of miscarriages are due to that and it can also cause an immune response.

The miscarriages are because of immune responses, your body attacks something, it doesn't recognize.

“So yes, here's the thing about research in our country, Alex, and this is the same thing”

with food. If you know a lot about that, it's the same thing with water. It's the same thing with virtually anything where chemicals are in the equation. The studies in the United States, clinical studies, and otherwise, are way different than the ones around the world.

Why? Because big chemical has bought science and research. They pay for the studies. They pay for certain studies to be done to highlight benefits of their products. But isn't this sort of corruption exactly what we were supposed to be getting out of our

government with Maha? I thought so. And how do you personally feel about how we're doing on that front as far as chemicals? I feel like we've been stopped in the face. I feel like every other mother in America, right now, who just found out that our government

not only doesn't care, but actually opened us up to even more exposure. I feel disrespected. What do you mean by that? I mean, giving these companies a immunity, giving these chemical companies a immunity, the very ones making a sick is not a protection policy for the American people.

“I think they think were dumb, because I don't see any other reason how they could have”

used that language specifically to do something like shield these chemical companies, which impacts more than our food, this is a precedent. When you set a precedent like that for chemical companies, it has a ripple effect on every industry. So I find it interesting, I think they're trying to do damage control.

And I think that they're going to try to do whatever they can to try to win back Maha, but what they have done through that executive order was a massive slap in the face. And I was surprised. However, shouldn't really have been surprised, because we appoint people like the American chemical council as the largest lobbying group for our chemical companies in this country.

You represent all the biggest ones you can think of. One of the leaders at the ACC was appointed to be one of the leaders at the EPA. Who? Nancy Beck. Her name's Nancy Beck.

I don't like her. I don't like what Nancy's doing, especially as a woman. What does she in charge of? Chemical policy at the EPA. And she worked for the chemical companies you're saying.

She was in leadership at the ACC, the American chemical council. You can go on their website. They proudly boast all of the worst chemicals you can think of. It's like a selling point for them. If you click on BPA, it literally on their websites as something along the lines of,

we help to, you know, create essential tools for the health and well-being of American

people through BPA. Go on their website. They have a, you can click on, they literally say, "Failates, parabens."

You've got to be testifying a Congress, I think. I'd love to. Have you ever confronted a major brand directly? You know, I do all of the time on social media. How's that gone?

Wonderful. Because they, what are you going to do? Try to sue me. It's true. What's been their response?

Has anyone actually made strides to change or acknowledge like, "Hey, you're right. We need to do this." I will say this. When I first started talking about this on social media, because I felt like it was my only option.

I said, "I don't know what else to do. I'm one person, but I know that people deserve a choice."

“In order to have a choice, you have to know what's going on.”

You can decide that this is silly to you or you don't care. Wherever there's people, they're going to choose that, right? That's why fast food still exists. That's why so does still exist. But you have a right to know and are right to choose.

And so the only thing I could think to do is to talk about it and get on social media and say something, and actually my whole social media journey started, because I was on a walk, just like obsessing over this crazy problem that we have and how could no one talk about this?

I've literally, at the time, had never heard about anyone talking about this, right?

And I walk past this group of like probably 12 to 13-year-old girls, and they're every single one of them wearing Lulu Lemon. Every single one. And I did too, through like my most vulnerable hormonal teenage years, right? And I just got on my phone and I just was like, "Why are we still buying Lulu Lemon?"

Like we are paying them to make us sick. As material makes people sick, it's plastic. It's not meant for human bodies and they're charging you more for it. So what leggings, what work out, where do you like? I really like right now, there's a company called Reprise.

“They're made out of tens of liaisel, which is a whole thing.”

So, I don't know how much the weeds you want to get. But it's basically a cellulose fiber that used one non-toxic chemical, and it's a closed loop process. So it's probably the future of stretchy clothing. You still have a tiny bit of plastic in it that's usually added to like a pair of leggings

that's tens of liaisel. And we'll usually have like 5% plastic or something, but it's certified plastic. I really like what they're doing. I have like a zip-up sweatshirt that I work out in that looks like my old Lulu. What does that mean certified plastic?

Why is that better? Well, just getting a certification like an echo text. It's not perfect, but it's better because they set thresholds for hundreds of the most popular chemicals. Okay.

So you're basically ensuring you're not over a level of these.

Got it. So that company's called What? Reprise. Okay. There's sports organic.

I like them. They're brand-spankin' now. They're going to love me for saying their name on this post. When I started the Instagram and I was talking about Lulu Lemon, I actually pinned this post to the top of my page for me. So I could look back because you look at the comments and it is just like, you are a dumb

you know what? Like, what are you eating your leggings? You're a fear-monger, awful person. I've got a death threat, by the way, over that Lulu Lemon Post. I mean, people are crazy.

Because people just absolutely do not want to have to change. Correct. The thing, now when I post a video, I don't even have to say anything in the video anymore. I just posted a video just like when they say they care about women's health and the words and then I just flashed these companies and the ingredients they have goes viral.

Because people know it's a good problem. It's a really good problem for us to have people knowing too much right now because although it's overwhelming, it means that the day has come for these companies to change or else.

“What freaky thing did you find out about baby socks?”

Most 90% of all of the baby socks that they tested in amongst several studies had BPI in them.

Tell us about the multi-million dollar lawsuit with flight attendants.

Back to what I was saying about how big a chemical doesn't want animal studies done, right? Because that would be bad because it would prove that this stuff makes people really, really sick. They also, of course, you can't ethically do human studies.

But what we can do is we can look at certain events in controlled environments that made people sick and what the both American Airlines and United Airlines flight attendants sued. And they ended up winning because the uniform manufacturers that gave them their uniforms had tons of chemicals that were making them sick. I think one of them was for Maldehyde.

I'd have to check. But basically, all of them started wearing these new uniforms at the same time. Nothing about their life changed other than the uniforms. They started getting ridiculously sick or talking headaches. Even one of them alleges her cancer is from this timeframe of having to wear these uniforms.

But that was a separate lawsuit. So they got really sick. They sued the uniform manufacturer and they won because they put harmful chemicals in there and they proved in court that it made them sick. So what we should be doing is we should be taking that as precedent and saying, hey,

groups like this, which is the same thing that's happening in Dalton, Georgia. People are getting really, really sick off of one chemical and you can prove it because we have this cluster. We need to take these instances and run with them. It's really the only ammo we have against them if they're discrediting animal studies.

attendance, surely medical scrubs in the United States would be free of toxins when you're dealing with the sickest people in our country, right? This makes me so angry.

“You should check my blood pressure right now.”

I know it just skyrocketed. So the month of October is breast cancer awareness month, as most of us know, right? And that month makes me the angriest of any month out of the year because talk about green washing. I've newly dubbed it like health washing because you have all of these companies claiming

to give a rip about breast cancer awareness. They have these massive breast cancer campaigns. I did a little digging.

They donate barely anything, first of all, off their profit.

But here's the deal. They do a line or at least last October. They did a line. They better not this October of hot pink scrubs for breast cancer awareness and all these women get excited because they're like, oh my gosh, we can get behind this.

They have breast cancer. They have the audacity to put like breast cancer survivors on their website with their story next to like the pink scrubs.

“These scrubs are 100% plastic and guess what?”

The descriptions are waterproof, stain repellent, or stain resistant. And you don't legally have to put the chemicals you're using. So I can't say that their stuff is full of the chemicals that it takes to get waterproof stain resistant capabilities. But I'm wondering if we test their scrubs what's going to come back.

This is one of the freakyest things I've ever heard. Like, this is creakyest. These are our medical professionals, by the way, who are wearing this toxic junk, and they have the audacity to say that they're doing something for women by putting them in this toxic crap.

If a child is exima, we know that that's, it's basically internal, correct.

But also externally, could the clothing that a child is wearing be irritating the exima worse? Absolutely. Chronic exposure to inflammatory items in general can do that much less these chemicals that have extreme interactions with our skin.

You know, an interesting thing that happens a lot to people when they make the transition this happened to me. I went cold turkey, which most people can't, and I don't even recommend that. I don't want people to panic and get rid of all of their clothes. There are things that you can do to slowly build up to that, but I'm just an extreme person.

I also had an extreme medical thing happen. So, you know, I'm in a different frame of mind. But I put a bandaid on, like three months after I stopped wearing any plastic. And I had, and I still get these now. I never had this before.

I had welts in the shape of a bandaid where I put the bandaid, is my body was no longer used to having to put up a defense to these things. When you give your body an inch, it can go fix way bigger things, versus holding some kind of like barrier to like protect you from all the junk you're put, like, you can actually start fixing other chronic issues when you give it a chance to do so.

Well, it makes sense, because when I went without fragrance, synthetic artificial fragrance, all of a sudden, I became so sensitive and sick and got headaches. If I was around somebody on a plane or just, you know, walking past them in a grocery store, or whatever, a co-worker work.

When my assistant first started, she loved perfume, and I had to say, hey, I am so sorry.

You cannot wear that at work anymore. We work in a very small space, and I was like, it is making me so sick at the end of it. She was very upset. She is such a perfume girl. But you know what, after a couple, like, a month of note, not wearing perfume, she's like Alex got to tell you something on the weekend.

I wanted to wear my perfume going out. I got so sick. I was like, yeah, because your body is starting to reject it. It's the same thing with ultra-processed food. Yep. You stop eating this junk, and your body will start to recognize it's not even food get this out of me. Totally.

It is just, it really happens a lot faster than you think. Yep. And something really interesting on that point, too, is I get the argument a lot. Like, well, obviously, you know, we're not eating the leggings, like I said, right? That I get that

“common a lot. Well, here's the thing is we actually have new research suggesting that putting”

on on your skin can be more dangerous than even eating certain chemicals. Now, it depends on what chemical and it depends on the dose. Of course, right? Like, if you eat a bunch of BPA, it's worse than having a little bit on your skin. Well, your vagina is more absorbing than your mouth, true. And also, when you eat something, it goes through the digestive process and therefore detoxification methods, too. It's going into your bowel. And it's not perfect.

Some still, it's not good for you. We know that. We have, obviously. However, we have research suggesting that when it's on the skin, it bypasses those detox methods and it's straight into your bloodstream. So not only does it matter, in some cases, it could potentially have a greater impact, depending on the chemical and the dose. I need to talk about something that has turned me into a completely unstable person. And that is the

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who is like you and me and they're like cold turkey, this weekend, I know what I'm doing, I'm going through my whole closet, we're going shopping. If somebody is listening like that, or maybe they want to work their way up to this and so they can come back to this part later. But if they are wanting to just go crazy and they want to redo their whole wardrobe and they want to detox, what is the best place to set your body up to just totally

recalibrate and detox all the crap? Well, I'm going to give sort of like two different categories here. One is going to be what can you do independent of your clothes to support your body. And then the other is going to be how can you reduce the bad stuff and increase the good stuff, right? So reducing the bad stuff left start there because that's where people's brain goes first.

“Start with your underwear and your bras. You have to start with your underwear and your bras.”

From an underwear standpoint that's an easy transition to make. We have lots of way better options on the market because it's fairly easy to create a pair of underwear with so, you know, too much detailed work. Okay. When it comes to the broth trickier, wear a brawlet and organic cotton brawlet or cami as much as you can and rock it. As much as you can, knowing that some women with bigger breasts or, you know, if you're doing

high intensity workouts, I am acknowledging that that's going to be really hard for some and that's wrong. And we need to work on that. We need to fix that. But as much as you can reduce exposure to toxic bras and underwear, please do it. Quick note on that. Are you familiar with Dr. Knielee? Yes.

Yeah. It's been on the show. She's a great friend. Oh, I didn't know that. Amazing. One of

her statistics that blew my mind was that young women are 82% more likely to get cancer than men. So something is making us sick. And the same, again, the same or many of the same chemicals that are making us sick from our food are in our clothes. You know, estrogen is the same thing. So please, please consider what is in your bra and your underwear. Moving forward, I would say then move to kind of tied for working out and sleeping. But I'd say probably start with sleeping because it's

just easier to get cleaner sheets. By the way, you ask me for sheet recommendations. I gave you Isomi. Isomi's really expensive. That's cream of the crop. Okay. There is an option. I found it

“on Costco's app. You might not cost goes app. I think it's purely organic. And I bought 100% organic”

cotton goss certified bed sheets for like $35. Great. That's the beauty of corporations offering

power to be able to do that and give people options that they can hopefully afford. So bed sheets,

athletic wear. That's your next category. That's a massive issue. They did a study in they saw that for PFAS specifically with sweat. On the body, it increased the dermal absorption by over 3,000% when you sweat lifting the oil out of your skin. And again, what do things like zeno estrogens and even intercurders structures like PFAL of oil? So sweating's huge. Get out of your

“toxic act of wear. That's what I would say. Definitely do not wear it in the sauna. So it would be”

better to just be naked in the sauna with like your organic towel around you or some. Sure. I wear organic cotton underwear in an organic cotton cami. And I have a pure wool little hat in there. And then I have an organic cotton towel. And when you sweat, wipe that stuff off immediately. Get it

off your body because that's your body's way of getting rid of this stuff. Oh, interest. So get it off.

And what's really interesting is that zeno estrogens love fat Alex. They love fat. And they will stay in your fat. So the best thing arguably you could do across the board from protecting yourself from your food, from your clothes, from your makeup products is get rid of excess fat. That's where a lot of it is living. And when these zeno estrogens go into your cells, they flip an on switch on to wreak havoc. And it doesn't turn off until it makes its way out of the body.

So when we're talking about fat, that's a huge reason why fat kind of becomes another organ and it starts messing up with your hormones, starts sending its own hormonal signals. It's a huge reason. And as fat in our country has increased, as well as, you know, sperm function and fertility

has decreased, guess what's increased. This is zeno estrogens, in food, in clothing, in everything.

So how do we support our bodies and actually detox this stuff out of us? Well, we actually have a lot of emerging research on Sonas, which I wish people had more access to them. If you have access to a Sona, get in it and get out of plastic. They're pricey, but there are some like little tents and things that you can put up in your house, right? Sit on a little stool. It makes me nervous. I would love to say yes, but what is the tent made out of? And are you heating it up? Okay, so we just have to look

into. Well, right. And so again, baby steps. If you have access to a Sona, do it at least three times a week. If you have access to one maybe at like a gym, a local gym or something, they're becoming more

“prevalent. It's a great business idea. If you want to get into the Sona business, but I think the”

other things you can do are just common sense. Things reduce plastic in every area as much as you can. Easier said than done, but like food storage. Let's use glass if you can. Water bottles. Let's use stainless steel. Right. We're trying to produce zeno estrogens, primarily. Tricks tons of good water. Get that stuff out. Anything you can do to help your body function better is going to inherently help you get this bad stuff out or help your body function despite the bad stuff. That's

inevitably going to be there in some levels, right? So good water. As good a food as you can get, as little plastic in every category as you can. Sona, wetting, pooping, peen, sweating, yeah, but like do it smart. Let's use our brain. Like let's think critically. If I'm if I'm trying to detox, I don't want to be wearing the very thing I'm trying to detox from. Same with laundry detergent. That's like we talked about. It's a huge category you want to fix too. Best fabrics to

look for. Again, chemicals are everything, right? So, doesn't matter the fabric. Let's make sure there's not chemicals. Organic cotton is one of my favorites. It's functional, really breathable. You can make it really versatile and cute like right fashion-wise. We can turn organic cotton into really anything. So organic cotton's number one for me. If you can find got certified organic cotton,

“probably the best thing you could buy. Next I would have to say wool is incredible, non-superwashed wool.”

So, if you're unsure, if you see wool, you want to ask the company. This is my big thing. Anytime you're unsure at all about anything, talk to the company. And you should be doing that anyways because you should be slowing down how much you're buying for more reasons than one. What is the question you ask? What chemicals do you use during your manufacturing process? Okay. And if it's a company doing better, they will have a very easy answer for you.

But what if they say, oh, this is like a proprietary secret or something? Not good enough. No, cashmere? Yeah, you can add chemicals to anything. So ask, you know, what chemicals are added to this cashmere, silk, same thing, satin. What do you want? What is this little suit? Oh, this is like one of my favorite companies. My friend Katie owns it. It's called silk laundry. It's 100% real silk and they use no harmful chemicals. This is like high fashion. So it's expensive.

Okay. So it's not accessible. Love them. Love them. And by the way, other luxury companies in the fashion world should be taking notes. That's real luxury. And people are waking up, right? You can see this everywhere. Why am I paying $2,000 for a plastic bag, right? Like consumers have woken up. There's lots of companies out there doing good. You just got to look for them. And we have to acknowledge that a lot of people cannot afford to do better. That's why we fight. Okay.

you know, we can't, we're trying to focus on what to put on the table. Like what food to

“feed our children, like we're overwhelmed and stressed 100% get it. There's usually three categories”

of people that I run into. One category doesn't care. Again, they have the right to know, but that's fine. Two. The second category is people who want to do what they can and just have to like give their us to God because it's so overwhelming. Sure. That's most people. And I fully support that,

because ultimately, like your mental health is critical to everything you do. So if that's you,

that's okay. Just do what you can with what you have and make the change slowly. I know the people that are kind of balling on a budget are really like freaking out right now and they're like, what can I do? You know, when I talk to people about swapping to eat real food and they're really concerned about how expensive grass-fed grass-finished beef is or certified organic, I'm like, okay, if it's at least a real food item that's still better than older processed food. So eating

ground beef, even if it isn't grass-fed, even if it isn't organic, it's still better than jelly ranchers, obviously. So like, would you say that shopping for 100% organic clothing is still going to be better than polyester, even if we don't know what chemicals are being used? Yeah, yes. Okay. Yeah. The first thing is just ditch plastic. That's a great step forward. Great. Like, let's not get into semantics here with what's worse. You know, like ditch the plastic.

There's nothing good about plastic. And inherently it will get worse over time no matter what. Get rid of it. Then moving forward, right? Then start slowly adding better options into your closet. And I list them on my Instagram. I give helpful tips how to do it because literally all I want to do is to things help people protect themselves and then change the freaking law or rather get laws.

“Let me ask you about a couple brands, Reformation. I think Reformation is a really interesting case study.”

I think that they've shown that you can be really successful by using better materials themselves, like organic cotton. You can still make, obviously they're doing great. They've actually done exponentially better since using better materials. So a great case study there. I think that they could do better in terms of chemical certifications. Again, remember like you can have an organic cotton t-shirt, but like what chemicals are using? What dyes are you using? So they're still room to be better.

But again, I think that baby steps are critical for companies in the corporate space like them.

So other companies should take note, Lula Lemon is like they lost the plot a long time ago. But if they had stayed with their core consumer who was a health conscious woman in her 30s, making over a hundred k that they named Ocean, like they knew her down to the T. When they tried to grow and scale as fast as possible, they lost sight of her and they started trying to sell to everyone or anyone. And as a result, they lost sight of what women in the health space care

“about, which is of course their health. And now talk to any one of your friends about Lula”

Lemon. I guarantee you at least one of them are going to say, I love my Lula Lemon, but I know that they're bad. Yeah, which means that they've already lost because she's actively looking to break up with them. Lula Lemon is like a bad toxic ex. What about Christy Dawn? They do incredible stuff actually. They do like I'm trying to work with regenerative cotton and they've really shown that they you can turn a great profit by doing the right things. All of their items aren't

perfect like any business, but they have amazing organic cotton options with some certifications and they're doing a lot better. And they've proven that you can make cute aesthetic fashion the right way. Like why it doesn't shouldn't have to be ugly. You shouldn't have to look like you're wearing a potato sack in order to protect your health, right? Like there are ways to do it. Here's my biggest hang-up with the natural fiber thing. It just seems like everybody just wears brown.

And I'm going to tell you right now, I'm a true winter, brown looks terrible on me and I'm like I like color, I like black, I like white, and everybody's just in tan or yellow cream or brown. Well, it's because historically speaking consumer demand for those products has been worn like the eco-friendly sustainability world. I'm somebody that will spend a lot of money on clothes. I'm willing. I'm in the same boat with you. So here's the deal. This is the really cool part about where we're

headed. And this is why I talk so much about like hope and in all the work that I do and all the consulting that I do, I actually have a really hopeful outlook on the future of fashion. I really do because the consumers want something. And when the consumers want something, it makes business sense to do it. Consumers want companies to do the right things now. They didn't use to care because it used to be a big sustainability issue, right? You used to have to use like save the turtles or save

the whales for people to, you know, pay more for some eco-friendly thing that was, yeah, brown and looked terrible. We're not going to do it. Or at least a small number of people will.

Here's what's funny. And I'm just going to say, I'm just going to say it,

is that the, the, the save the whale plastic, that those, that person was a crunchy granola liberal. And the pendulum is swung. And now the people with the money who are wanting to shop and who are health conscious are conservative moms. But actually think this is one of the greatest bridges we've

spectrums, all religions, all creeds, ethnicities carrying about health because it's relevant to every single person. Yep. So it's interesting because I work in the fashion world. So, you know, most people lead more liberal in that world, right? And so historically speaking, yes, that has been the predominant type of person who's cared about what we're doing with our environment. But interestingly enough, a lot of people that I talk to every day are super conservative.

It's a real mix. And it's because people are waking up to the fact that what is bad for bodies

is bad for the environment and vice versa. Yes, it's not always been that way. That's right.

How can we be pushing for federal regulation at home? That's exactly what big chemical and others want is for people to feel helpless and to feel like, like, it's too big. Let's do not gonna think about it, right? We are creating petitions. I have a website you can go to and there are petitions there to get this stuff changed. And you can sign the petition and you can join the movement. But ultimately, the greatest thing you can do is at home.

“You have to start thinking differently and teaching your kids to think differently and inevitably”

change happens. But both things have to be true. You have to use your voice. It can just be quiet about it for real change to happen. But again, raising your kids a certain way is the number one thing you can do or talking to your mom about it. Talking to your friends about it, that's how real change happens. But yes, we have petitions going on right now on our website where you can sign up for us to get in front of our lawmakers and ask for the correct designation. There have been

certain individual states who have risen up and said, "All right, in this state, you're not allowed to use these ingredients in food or what have you." And then what ends up happening is like, you know, with one state requiring that, the food companies are like, "Okay, well now we have to overall everything." Because we can't just make a separate batch only for West Virginia or whatever it is. If one individual state, a large state like Texas, for example, were to say, "Hey, it's now going

to be required in Texas that all clothing, yes, you're having to disclose on the label what materials

“made out of, but also the chemicals." Yeah, would that be impactful? Yeah, I think so. I mean,”

again, to your point, we see it in the food battle in states like Louisiana where they basically

give them hell. They do everything possible to make it as hard as they can to sell something. We're seeing that in the clothing area with certain chemicals like PFAS, certain states have implemented bands. So California is one, Minnesota, I think Colorado is a few others. Yes, I think death by a thousand cuts is a strategy. And I think that anything we can do to make the chemical companies, lives harder and for it to be just frankly easier for companies to just be like,

let's just try to get rid of this stuff like we don't want to deal with this, right? That's good. And the beautiful part of the country we live in is that we have states rights. And that can be the easiest way for us to actually get real change. And that's very purposeful. We do unless the chemical liability shields press, which is what these poor people in Georgia are dealing with, right, with the carpet manufacturers there, which I guess they're making the all the carpet for

like the whole world there. And they're dumping or they were dumping forever chemicals into the environment. The people that live in that area having to form babies being born with all kinds of issues, cancer rates are through the roof, thyroid issues through the roof, infertility, animals dying on farms. I mean, the whole place is just thrashed. And they can't sue. They can't sue because Georgia passed a chemical liability shield. So this again, like I keep talking about this on Instagram

or whatever, because I really believe this is going to be the defining maha issue of these four years that we have. God willing will have more than just these four years, but we might only have

just right now. Never underestimate what the people can do ever throughout all of history.

“Okay. So even as dark as it seems and it does feel dark and that's why I said I feel like I've”

been slapped in the face. A lot of people feel that way. Never underestimate what the people can do. It is the beauty of living in the country. We live in regardless of what you think or where you feel like we're at. We still have power. We cannot just rely on again a chemical by chemical like state initiative because what are they going to do? They're just going to create a slight variation. But there's one way around that, which is you can ban classes of chemicals, which we don't

typically do. So that's what really we need to push for is for states to ban classes of the most harmful chemicals on the market. That's one way. But the other is we, in my opinion, have to push for the FDA to see clothing as a consumer product that interacts with our bodies instead of an industrial application. Like I really believe the FDA should be over clothing as well because it can have clothing can have just in some cases as much as an impact as the other categories too.

So that's a hard battle, but it's certainly possible. It doesn't have to be the FDA, but

federal push and a state push. What is your Instagram for people to keep up with you and learn

“everything there is to know about all this? My Instagram is Hannah Dunning 11, which is my name.”

My Instagram is primarily devoted to giving people tools at home in order to make better shopping decisions, or help keep their kids safer from their products. It's full of that. And then even better as I have my website linked on there. And my website has all the petitions we have up right now to actually get real change. And on top of it, I was really frustrated like sifting through research trying to find research on clothing specifically. And so I created a research library specific

to textiles. You can go. And I even, I segmented out into the different chemicals. You can click on the chemical and research on how they interact with your body and textiles. And it's all peer reviewed. It's all real research because education is the other tool we have too. And also just keep in mind to that conversations like this are about a really serious, pervasive issue. And it can seem really overwhelming because frankly it is. They've gotten away with something that should

have been illegal from the conception of chemicals. Like this is not okay. It will never be okay.

“It needs to change. So that's what most of the airtime is going to be on because we have to push”

for change. And people need to wake up in order to do that. So Hannah Dunning 11, and then my website which is the cleanclothingcheck.com. If you could offer one remedy to heal a sick culture physically emotionally or spiritually, what would it be? Choose hope. Which is hope. I think hope is the greatest tool we have. And frankly, I think it's the thing that scares evil or big camera whoever it is

the most is people choosing hope because I really believe that there's nothing more powerful than

choosing hope. And I mean that exactly how it sounds. Even after having a hard, heavy conversation, there is absolutely still hope. And it is way more powerful than anything else including executive

“orders, by the way. Love this interview. Absolutely one of my new favorites. I hope everybody”

listens to this shares this. It rocks their world. There's a few episodes a year that I end up doing. And I'm like, okay, that one just knocked me off my feet. I really learned something new. This was that. So Kudos to you. You're killing it. I admire you so much. Everybody should follow you. And then you're going to give me this list. I will. I will inundate you with options. That's the thing. We have options for almost everything.

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