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I'm Lester Holt, tonight on Deadline, a cold-case mystery at a 40-year mission to solve it. What I focus on when I'm working a case, what drives me the most, is the victims. I wanted to speak for them, I wanted to speak for a lean. I just turned on the news. Woman found murdered in Denver, Colorado.
I just grabbed my son and screamed and cried.
βWas it somebody she worked with at the radio station?β
It could be the boyfriend that she just broke up with in December. You're dealing with the tech, it's names of people. Yes, he looked at everything. I was even like, where was Ted Bundy at that time. We have to look under every stone, every pebble.
We're talking about hundreds of moonshine. Hundreds, thousands, she's driven. Her tenacity is just remarkable. I knew I was going to find him. It was a competition between him and I.
The hardest pounding, like, oh my god, this is real. I said, I found him. I know who killed Halene. Here's Josh Makowitz with a promise to Halene. 40 years is a long time.
That's 40 winners here in Colorado. And countless snowfalls. It was on a day like this that a young woman disappeared. Her name was Halene, and Halene had a friend named Kimberly, a friend who kept her word.
βYou have any idea how many years you were signing up for when you made that promise?β
No. For those nearly four decades, Kimberley Lontorette kept her promise. 40 years looking at faces. 40 years meeting with detectives. 40 years retracing Halene's steps.
When I make promise and make a commitment, I follow through.
Halene never knew it, but she had another friend.
You never met Halene. You feel like you know her? I do. I feel like I know her well, as well as I possibly could. She and him was three years old when Halene disappeared. It was in 2019 that she accepted a challenge. I had to win. I wanted to win for Halene.
Halene presents Guy grew up as the baby daughter in a close-knit family of five in Hamilton, Massachusetts. Everybody that met her liked her company. Janet was her older sister by nine years. But you didn't treat her as like an oying younger sibling.
You guys were born and died. We were. She was my best buddy.
βShe came. She was a surprise. I think to the family.β
And she just brought sunshine and life to our household. I met her my freshman year of high school. She was a sophomore. We both were part of a singing group called Harmony. And that's really where I got to know Halene very well. She loved the singing.
Yes, she loved to perform. I'm involved with Harmony. She's a musical group at the regional. Do you know? The lean spoke about her school life for a classmate's local radio show. My philosophy on life. Yeah, I have one. You should just.
I know. Be yourself and make the best of everything. Be smile. Smile. Yeah.
It's what I do all the time. Here she is. Smile and along with Kimberly and their music group. Also joining in, Kimberly's older brother John. There was a real feeling of camaraderie.
But also a dedication to excellence in our singing. He remembers the day camaraderie turned to something else. We started talking. And for me, there was an immediate spark. It was that kind of fluttery feeling that you have.
When you know you're talking to somebody that you realize you really like immediately. They were just in love.
They were, you know, each other's first loves in high school.
Very genuine.
It didn't last beyond high school, but John and Kimberly both kept in touch with
Haleen after graduation.
βHaleen attended Wheaton College in Massachusetts,β
where she's saying in another group the Wheatones. There she is in the back row with the black dress on. One more thing. As much as she loved her singing, Haleen had another passion. Journalism.
What did you think was going to happen to her? Where was she headed? For great things. I saw Haleen, the Christmas December of 1979 at church. She told me that she was going off to Denver to do this internship to further her interests in journalism.
And she was very excited about it. Haleen arrived in January 1980 to begin that internship at a radio station in Denver. A long way from home. Fortunately, she had some relatives nearby. You're feeling worried about her going off to Colorado because she wasn't going to be alone.
And she was staying with your aunt Lankle. Exactly. Then came that day. January 16th. Haleen had barely been there two weeks when she grabbed the bus from the radio station around 6 p.m.
to go back to her aunt Munkle's house. She'd made the commute before without a problem.
That night, Haleen presents she never made at home.
My parents called me and said, "They just got to call for my aunt Munkle."
βAnd this was, I think, maybe 10 o'clock at night.β
What'd you think had happened? We had no idea that this was so unlike Haleen, something had to be wrong. The next morning, the news, none of it good. Made its way back to Massachusetts. That was the first thing that came up.
Hamilton, woman found murdered in Denver, Colorado. And then from there, it was just horror and chaos. I went crazy. My son was 16 months old. I just grabbed my son and screamed and cried.
And I just couldn't believe it was happening. Not totally. That moment would launch a 40-year quest for justice. To find Haleen's killer. And to learn what happened on that winter night.
When we come back, detectives, family, friends, desperate for clues, grasping at straws. She gets off the bus and then she just disappears. She just disappeared.
βWas it somebody that she worked with at the radio station?β
Could it be the boy friend that she just broke up with in December? I thought I would be a suspect, actually. In Haleen, Presinsky's small Massachusetts town. Her family and friends sat stunned. She'd been found murdered in a snowy field in Colorado.
She was my first love, so she had a very special place in my heart.
And what happened to her was so devastating. Her wake was just horribly sad. I mean, no one could even speak. What could you say? You just go through the motions.
And then when it's all over, then you sit and you... You still say I can't believe it's happened. Murder changes everything. Oh, it does. It changed the mood in rural Douglas County, Colorado.
A high-profile murder case will do that. As snow began to fall in the field where the body of young Helen Pesinsky was found, the obliterating any clues, authorities... Back in 1980, Tony Spurlock was a rookie sheriff's deputy in Douglas County, Colorado. He later became the sheriff.
What was Douglas like them? You know, Douglas County was a completely rural community between Colorado Springs and Denver. Not a lot of homicides back then. Maybe one every four years.
Investigators determined that Helen was last seen alive, getting off that bus after work. From the bus driver, we knew that she got off that bus from there. And nobody got off with her. She didn't have any trouble on the bus. There was no indication for many witnesses there that she was in any distress
or anyone was following her. She gets off the bus and then she just disappears. She just disappeared. Helene's body was found the next day in a field nearly nine miles from that bus stop. She'd been stabbed nine times and autopsy revealed she was also raped.
Would you learn from the body the scene in the autopsy?
A number of her clothes were missing.
βShe was wearing a mid-sized winter jacket for Colorado at that time.β
And a scarf. She was lying on her back. She had no defensive wounds, but she had wounds on her knees and lower leg area. Which would tell us that she had either crawled on her knees at some point into the rough area of the grass based upon the injuries. And she didn't have defensive wounds suggesting that she was not fighting her attacker.
She was trying to go along with them maybe getting to let her go. And some of the forensics that they shared with us led some of us to believe that it wasn't a stranger that it must be somebody that she knew. But she didn't know anybody there, did she? She didn't know anybody there, but she was working at a radio station.
So was it somebody that she worked with at the radio station? Could it be somebody that she turned down for a date or a ride or something that got angry? The Lean's Friend Kimberly started thinking about the man in her Lean's life. There were mostly just friends, but she passed their names to investigators anyway.
βYou're giving the detectives names of people and saying, "You need to check out this guy."β
And this guy. And this guy. We said, "Could it be the boyfriend that she just broke up with in December? Could it be?" You know, I looked at my brother, I said, "John, you know, "Could it be you?" Of course, John was Aliens' ex-boyfriend. As John worked through his own grief, he'd occurred to him.
Aliens might come knocking. I thought they would. I thought I would be a suspect, actually.
But they never contacted me.
That's because investigators quickly determined John was in Massachusetts when the murder happened. Back in Colorado, investigators focused on what little evidence they had. Different oral law enforcement back then. No surveillance cameras, no license plate readers, none of that. This was during the age of law enforcement where we still did not have DNA.
There was no technology that would help us track where she was at. There, old school police worked, did turn up something. A witness had seen a young man of medium-built in his 20s or 30s. Five-nine, maybe five-tant. He was standing by a car at the side of the road. It wasn't much. Investigators wanted more from the witness.
Investigators put that person under hypnosis and used a sketch artist to draw a rendition of the person that she saw standing next to a car on Daniels Park Road, which would have been 100 yards or so away from where the body was found. That works. Putting some dinner at Moses?
βHere's the thing. I've been doing this business for 40 years.β
And I heard where it worked and I've heard where it didn't work. The result was this sketch. Was it the killer? And would it lead anywhere? Coming up, a chilling new possibility. I was even like, "Where was Ted Bundy at that time?"
Put a serial killer, have committed this crime. You're being questioned in the connection of the crime on the side. These prolific serial killers that certainly fit. It's certainly fit when deadline continues.
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get daily recaps from our courtroom insiders and analysis from legal experts. With NBC10 Boston's podcast, Commonwealth Confidential, the Lindsey Clancy Trial. Get it wherever you listen to podcasts. In the weeks after Helene Presinsky's murder in 1980,
police had last had a possible image of their suspect. Except it wasn't leading them any closer to her killer. You start showing that sketch around, and you put it up every place, and nobody knows who that is. That is correct.
No one came forward and said, "Oh, I know who that guy is." Months went by. And detectives just hit a dead end. It was clear that they had exhausted all of the leads by the winter time of 1980.
Going into '81, the case had gone cold.
For a victim's family, there may be no greater frustration
than having a loved one's case go cold.
βOften someone needs to play the role of the tireless advocate.β
Even at only 26, Kimberly realized that, and made her promise. Which was? I saw Helene's parents, and I just promised them that I would not stop
for as long as I was living and doing everything in my power to find Helene's killer. Everything to Kimberly met constantly calling detectives, generating press coverage. Anything to keep a laser focus on the case.
I didn't want to see her parents, or her sister, or her brother,
have to not only deal with just day-to-day living,
take some of that burden off of them, and for them to feel good that somebody was still actively working on it and keeping that case alive. And then, in 1983, the case did seem to gain new life. Throughout the '70s and early '80s,
βa number of serial killers had been grabbing headlines.β
We looked at every serial killer. I was even like, "Where was Ted Bundy at that time?" You know, was he in Colorado? And so we even looked at every known serial killer that was active at that time
to see if they could possibly have been in Colorado. And then there were these two men, Henry Lee Lucas, and Otis Tool.
They were drifters arrested and jailed in the early '80s
and began telling law enforcement something astonishing, how they had killed more than 200 women in a dizzying, spree across the country. Crime analysts there have painstakingly recorded hundreds of details of dress, mode of travel,
and method of killing in the Lucas Tool murder cases. That's Dennis Murphy reporting on the pair for NBC Nightly News. They're known as serial killers. And according to law enforcement officials, there are at least 35 of them roaming the country now.
And these two admitted killers told police about one particular victim, in Colorado. They confessed to committing the murder of Haleen Perzinski. Why was unique about that, I mean, is that detectives often thought that there might have been
another person maybe in the car, waiting for whoever they took out into the field. That was one of the theories. And so these two guys who worked together, these prolific serial killers, that certainly fit.
It's certainly fit. It's pretty seductive when a couple of serial killers who are on the hook for a lot of other murders confessed to your murder, because you can close a lot of cases if you can link them to these guys.
That's right. Obviously, they were like, this is awesome. We've got a confession. Colorado investigators headed for Texas to interview Lucas themselves. "You're dating person in the connection with the crime of homicide."
The detectives showed him a map and asked him to pinpoint where he and tool picked up Elaine. "We stopped her on a street to grab the car. And we took her on the way out to the country. After a bunch of rocks that stood out in there,
she was standing there right. Covered up with a sheet and survived with it." Then Lucas added another detail. "She was standing there. A shot once that might go ahead."
"We shot her. I shot her. I knew it." At that moment, they had a problem. Halene was stabbed, not shot. To detectives, this confession was starting to sound phony.
They dug deeper, looking into Lucas and tools long trail of arrest records. We could link them to other jurisdictions by other legal documents that could be authenticated. That there would be impossible for them to be in two pieces at one time. "So they weren't in Colorado at the time, then only it was killed."
They were not in Colorado at the time. She was killed.
β"Why would somebody confess to a murder that they did not commit?β
What would be in it for them?" They were becoming famous. They knew that they were going to spend the rest of their life in prison if not on death row. "So why not be there as the most prolific serial killer in the country?"
As for any other serial killers on the prowl back then, none could be placed in Colorado at the time. Ted Bundy actually had spent time there in the late '70s, but he was behind bars in Florida at the time of Halene's murder. The serial killer leads had dried up.
"Was that disappointing? When that didn't pan out?"
That was disappointing, because we knew at that point,
we were again back at 0.0 with nothing to work on.
β"It wouldn't happen quickly, but over time this case would go from 0 to 100,β
with a young detective up for a challenge." Coming up. "What I focus on when I'm working a case, what drives me the most is the victims." A new investigator at a bold, new approach. "You're talking about hundreds of names here."
"Hundreds, thousands, I knew I was going to find him." "Really, it was a competition between him and I." "Helene presents he's murder had become the textbook example of a cold case." But in 1998, a ray of hope sprang up. It came from a somewhat newer textbook.
The use of DNA evidence had become a revolutionary tool in criminal investigations. And Douglas County detective realized there was DNA from their suspect in evidence. "There was body fluids on these pieces of material or swabs from the autopsy that had not been tested. And so we were very excited at that time because we had an abundance of DNA evidence available to us." Investigators were able to put that DNA kit into the FBI's database of criminal profiles known as codus.
"That's a huge lucky break." "Very huge." "Except, it doesn't match anybody in codus." "Doesn't match to anyone." Spurlock and his team were disappointed and so was Kimberly,
but always mindful of the promise she'd made.
Kimberly wasn't about to let the case freeze up again. "I would jump on it and shake the trees. And I was never met poorly. I was always met with welcome arms by the Colorado detectives."
βShe was key in connecting us to other peopleβ
that we felt was very important to the case. In 2004, Kimberly was arranging a reunion concert of their singing group harmony to celebrate Heline's birthday when she had an idea. "I said, it's time we need to get this solved. Let's fly out on the anniversary of Heline's murder and retrace her steps in real time."
"I mean, you know that detectives had done that before. Probably right after the murder and probably a bunch of times. Since, what did you think you were going to get out of it that they hadn't done?" "Creat a media star in the news hoping that the killer would see us, would know that there's eyes still on the case, make a lot of noise."
Four high school friends of a young woman murdered 26 years ago, say there is still hope that their friends' killer will be found. The plan worked. They made all the local newscasts. "30 of us decided to band together to do whatever we could to make sure that this case is reopened and solved." They also set up a website about the case, hoping the killer might click on it and reveal his internet address.
"That was our hope. It was just to get the warm to crawl out from under the rock." "That didn't happen. The warm stayed hidden." "He did." In 2009 Heline's brother died, then her mom and dad followed in 2012. Sister Janet was the only one left.
"You've settled another's life where you don't know." "Right. It was heartbreaking." By June 2019, Heline had been dead almost 40 years. The coldest of Colorado cases. That's when a new detective Shannon Jensen was assigned to the case.
"What I focus on when I'm working a case, what drives me the most is the victims." Jensen had been a competitive roar at Cal Berkeley before she enrolled at the police academy and joined law enforcement. She got to know Heline through all the pictures and information in the case file. And she was hoping to get to know someone else. "What do you know about your unknown suspect?"
"You know it's a man. You know he's between the ages of." "We don't know his age. We know that the witness said he was in his early 20s.
But ultimately nobody else saw him."
βDetective Jensen decided the key to all of this was that DNA profile.β
She decided to consult with a genealogist and upload the suspect's profile into a website called Jed Match. A site people used to track down relatives, but it's also a tool for law enforcement. "Absolutely they allowed law enforcement to upload kits or DNA that DNA is matched with other kits who opt in,
Who want to assist law enforcement.
So Jensen started looking for any people with DNA similar to that of the suspect.
βThis is not just a matter of plugging jumbles of code into a computer.β
It's the equivalent of old-fashioned shoe leather detective work, but for the 21st century. That's because a similar DNA profile is just another lead that needs running down. So instead of knocking on doors, Jensen was picking up the phone. Interesting. Thank you for returning my call. Asking for cooperation.
From possible distant matches. You're this disembodied voice on the phone saying, "Tell me about one of your relatives who might be a murderer, and I need you to help me." "And I need you to give up some personal information." "Yes."
"Would they be willing to share their entire family history on the chance they were related to a murderer?" "It's a big ask." And I would contact these matches, and they would give me their family trees and any family history that they had, so that we could fill in, say, for adoptions or unknown pregnancies. They're talking about hundreds of names here.
Hundreds of thousands. And the people that spoke to me about it all said, "Hey, if this is somebody in my family that did this, then they should be arrested for the crime. There should be justice for this young victim."
βWhat's that light for you knowing you're sort of pursuing this cipher?β
Having been a competitive athlete most of my life, I think, really, it was a competition between him and I. I knew I was going to find him. I wanted to win for Haleen. And by the fall of 2019, Detective Jensen seemed to be making progress. After speaking with contacts through the database and building those family trees,
she had found a woman whose DNA was so close to that of the killer. She might be a first cousin. There was just one problem. That first cousin didn't really know her family. The family wasn't close.
Would there be any way to fill out that possibly critical family tree?
The cousin put Jensen in touch with another cousin. When you talk to that woman, you think, "This is it. We're getting close." Yeah, and I knew this is it. I'm on the right track, and I'm going to figure out who he is real soon. Coming up.
βShe's like, "I know what did it. I'm like, didn't what?"β
And she's like, "I know who the killer is for Haleen." The beer mug that just might seal this case. I mean, the hardest pounding like, "Oh my God, this is real. This is the guy." When date line continues. Kimberly Lotterrat had spent years determined to help solve her friend Haleen's murder.
And she was nothing if not resolute. That said, fate tends to keep its own schedule. Kimberly, with a husband and kids, learned that in 2010. My older one went off to college, right, the same week that my husband died, his dad. And my younger one was 15 and fell into deep depression.
I didn't know how depressed until he went off to college at Northwestern University and ended up taking his own life. It was a one-two punch that would have crushed a lot of people.
Despite that, Kimberly never lost sight of her friend Haleen.
Certainly, no one would blame you for saying, "I still want to solve Haleen's murder. I still want to help the police, but that's not a back burner now. I have other things to deal with." Well, maybe that's when I became obsessed with date line episodes. Because any tiny thing that I could pick up on an episode,
I would immediately call Douglas County or the Colorado Bureau investigation. I was like, "Did you think of this? Did you look at that?" At her desk in Colorado, Shannon Jensen was asking some questions of her own with a computer screen and a telephone as her tools. And she had tracked down a promising lead.
She spoke with someone whose DNA profile was close enough to that of the killer that they were likely cousins. That cousin told Jensen about two men who'd been estranged from her family for years. There were two brothers and essentially it had to look at both of them. And as she started digging, something stood out about one of the brothers.
Outcomes a criminal history for Curtis Allen White. Curtis White was convicted of rape in the late '70s. He served time for rape before he was hurled here to Douglas County. Douglas County, Colorado, where Helene Prosinski was murdered. It all fit.
He was how old at that point? 21 when he was hurled here. Same age as Helene. Yep.
It was time to tell Lieutenant Tommy Burrellah, the boss of the cold case unit.
And I come around the corner I see her and she's like, "I know who did it."
I'm like, "Did what?"
βAnd she's like, "I know who the killer is for Helene."β
And I'm like, "No, you don't." Burrellah knew all about the investigative dead ends in this case. He'd seen plenty of them over the years. I'm like, "How do you know you do?" And she understood the DNA.
She understood the genealogy. I didn't, so she had to explain it. Well, then they still didn't open it out. You know, like, "Oh, do I go upstairs? Don't I?" So I did.
Lieutenant Burrellah and Detective Jensen made the walk-up stairs to face the sheriff. And they say, "We believe we've got him. This is the guy." You'd been on the business end of a few others. This is the guy conversations where it didn't pan out. I was.
Detective Jensen laid out her case. Two brothers, only one in Colorado at the time of the murder. And there was another thing. As Jensen dug through White's criminal history, she discovered an old mugshot from 1998.
βRemember that initial witness sketch drawn with the help of a hypnotist?β
You get that booking photo from 1998 in Florida. And it looks like the sketch, doesn't it? It looks like one of the sketches pretty remarkably. Those two, you could blame over each other. It was the mustache, the hair, the eyes.
I mean, it was so eerily positive. The sheriff was sold. I was convinced very quickly by their determination. And I think also their confidence in what they had learned through this genealogy that this was the one we needed to go after.
And I mean, the hardest pounding like, "Oh my God, this is real. This is the guy." They needed to find Curtis White and track them to Florida where he'd been living under a new name. James Curtis Clinton.
He became James Curtis Clinton. And just went on with his life. Got married, had a child, built a career for himself. And just went on with his life as if nothing happened. And stayed out of trouble?
Yeah, pretty much. Douglas County detectives went to Florida to watch him. He's living in a trailer on somebody's property. We see his van. He had a white van with a shark on the side of it. We knew that was his van. We see it. Okay, we got his house.
We got the van. When you're down there and you're surveilling this guy,
the first time you see him, you think...
That's Heline's murder right there, getting into his truck. Yes. They surveilled the newly minted Mr. Clinton. As he drove to a local bar to grab a beer. Then, investigators ask the bar's owner to save those mugs.
He grabbed him, put him in backs for us, and met us at the back door and hand him to us. Three beer mugs. Yes, there are three beer mugs. The detectives brought the mugs back to Colorado. Do you say to the DNA lab, this is it, step on it?
They knew that Colorado beer investigations had been working on this case in 1980. Everyone waited until finally Shannon Jensen got the call. The lab text, "Hey, it's a match. One of them had your suspects DNA sample on it, and it matched the seam and that was left on the coat." "Well, tell it, boy."
I don't even know if I can describe what it's like. It's extremely rewarding. And then, the bad news. The statute of limitations had expired on the rate. Meaning, Clinton could admit to that with no consequence. And then, deny the murder. To make their case stronger, detectives needed to get Clinton to talk with them.
So, Borella and his team came up with a strategy. The plan was to go talk to Mr. Clinton to see if we can get him to come down voluntarily to talk to us and kind of slow play into why we're really there. The technique we use was that his social security number had been used in a large identity theft case.
The officers wore body cameras. Would you mind mulled early coming down to the sheriff's office during getting county witnesses to talk
βand put you a recorded interview room for a few minutes?β
After four decades, what would he have to say? Coming up.
You never lived without this colorado.
I didn't have a little baby baby news. Would Helen get justice at last? I lost it. I really, really freaked out. I just was paralyzed.
I couldn't even breathe.
Colorado investigators were finally in the room with a man who might have kil...
more than 40 years ago.
βJames Clinton thought he was there to answer questions about an identity theft ring.β
If you ever lived or done business in Colorado, that were an hour where a living Colorado may be being used.
Okay, well that's helpful. When was that across 1798? That was important. Clinton was now on tape saying he'd been in Colorado when Halene was killed. It was time to change the subject.
Would you care about a young woman? Not all right, over 1980. And one of them want to show you extra-percee care. We're in the ocean. Now they go on track now.
You're key to me as I fail, so I know. Clinton stopped speaking with investigators. It didn't matter. His DNA spoke for itself. I don't do that.
I don't want for your arrest. For what?
First we murder and kidnapped me.
βThat's what we could have as long that we actually have your DNA in the room.β
Later that day, Janet Presinsky looked down and saw a Colorado number on her phone. It was Sheriff Spurlock. He said we want to tell you that we have found the murder. And so I lost it. They were saying it.
I really, really freaked out. It was the realization that after 40 years, they will be just deserved. And it was just hard to comprehend. Because it's relief, but it's also re-living.
Exactly. Lieutenant Tommy Baralla began escorting Clinton back to Colorado. As they spoke, the detective began gaining his trust. You're building a rapport with this guy. Kindie, yeah.
I'm just a personable guy, yeah. Their suspect had claimed up in that interview room.
βThen suddenly seemed to have a change of heart.β
He wants to talk. He wants to talk. And they want to talk. By gosh, got to let him talk. As they drove to the airport, Baralla grabbed his iPhone and pressed record.
My name is Lieutenant Tommy Baralla. Jim advised me to like to talk to me about the crimes that he's being accused of. Clinton told Baralla he wasn't surprised when detectives asked him about healing. I knew that was going to come up and get me one day. Why was it going to come up and get you?
Did you murder somebody? Okay, you did what? I killed the girl there, accusing me of killing him. And at that moment, I was like, holy crap. Did it pinch me?
He just admitted it. Like, oh my god. Clinton laid out the details of that cold day in January 1980. How he'd seen holy and getting off the bus and forced her into his car. I put my mom around there and had a knife in my hand and showed it to her.
Did you say anything? She said, I'll go. Heline, he said, was cooperative, which explained the lack of defensive wounds on her body. He confirmed that he raped and stabbed her multiple times. Then left her in that snowy field.
The fact that she was alive and on that bus was the only reason that he kidnapped a rape and murdered her. And he's going to pay for that. Yes. And Clinton had one more thing to say.
He claimed his life of crime could have been much worse. He said, it wasn't. Because something about Heline had haunted him. You know, I've got a conscience and in my mind, I had actually took the step over to become a serious serial killer with Helen.
Right? And I couldn't because of whom she was. And I'm a serial killer of one. Kimberly, who'd made so many calls trying to keep the case alive. Now, received a call herself.
I couldn't even breathe. It wasn't jumping for joy. It wasn't crying. It was just pure shock. I just was paralyzed.
After 40 years, the end came quickly. There was no trial. James Clinton pleaded guilty to Heline's murder. Many of her friends and family traveled to Colorado in July of 2020 to speak remotely at his sentencing hearing.
Heline was never forgotten.
Her spirit never died.
What's your plan?
I sent him to a sentence in the Department of Corrections for the rest of your natural life. And then they had a reunion of sorts.
βWith some of the many investigators who'd worked Heline's case over the years.β
It was amazing to sit across the table from them all.
And just soak in who Heline Presinsky was in their minds. Janet still thinks about her baby sister every day. When you're doing okay, you have grandchildren now. Two grandchildren, yes.
βAnd one of them was born on Heline's birthday, my granddaughter.β
What are you talking about, Heline?
Oh, well, um, we have pictures of Heline in the house. She's only five, so I haven't said too much yet. But she will know a lot about Heline.
βYou finally have justice for Heline and her family and all the victims that were left behind.β
It's kind of why you got the police work in them. It is. After a 40-year crusade for answers, it was the truth that connected to a women.
The detective who took on a quest and the friend who never forgot.
Heline needed to be heard. She needed people to know what happened to her. So she's not alone anymore. That's all for now. I'm Lester Holt.
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