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In Cleveland, Ohio, courtroom battles upend the murder trial of a divorce attorney accused of fatally stabbing his own client, nurse, and mom of four, Eliza Sherman. So things got in a little bit heated. In Date Line Round-up, five months after the singer David was charged with the murder of 14-year-old Celeste Revis Hernandez.

Her family is now accusing his mother and managers of failing to protect her. And, we'll bring you the latest on the new controversy surrounding the Lindsay Clancy Holdout Jur. According to NBC Boston's reporting, last year, the jurors never filed a restraining order against him.

Plus, crimes don't just happen on land. What happens when there's a murder at sea? A Coast Guard Special Agent gives us the slowdown. It's not like a crime that happens at your local bank or grocery store local house. The boat is the scene and it moves.

But before all that, there is a case out of North Carolina we want to tell you about involving a former paramedic, who's facing one of the most bizarre set of charges I think I've ever seen. In September of 2018, the sudden death of 32-year-old North Carolina preschool teacher, Stacey Hunsucker, left her two daughters without a mother and her husband Joshua without a wife.

On the first anniversary of her death, he posted a tribute to her unfaced book, NBC affiliate

W.C. and C. covered the story. He described Stacey as an awesome mother and tell he and their two daughters choose to

“live happily because that's what she would want.”

Three months after that post, Joshua, a paramedic at the time, was arrested and charged with Stacey's murder. Prosecutors alleged he poisoned her with tetrahydrosaline, a chemical found in eye drops. Joshua Hunsucker has pleaded not guilty to all the charges against him. Jerry selection was set to begin in his trial last week, but a judge ruled the trial should

be postponed. Here to bring us up to speed on the reason for the delay and on some other unique charges, and Sucker is facing is date line producer Marissa Meyer, Marissa, thank you for being here. Thank you so much for having me. Marissa, start by giving us some background on the couple at the heart of this case.

So Stacey was as he said a young mom. She had worked at a preschool in Charlotte, North Carolina, and according to her obituary, she was an active member of her church. And her husband Joshua, or Josh, who's now 41, he was working as a flight paramedic. Providing emergency medical care to patients transported by helicopter.

The couple had been married for eight years, and they had two young daughters together. Take us back to September 23rd, 2018, the day Stacey died. Marissa, what happened? So what we know of that day really comes from the probable cause affidavit. And Hunsucker found his wife not breathing in their home, and she ended up dying from cardiac arrest.

There was no autopsy, her Joshua's request, and Stacey's remains were cremated.

“It's important to note, Stacey had been having a number of health problems in the years”

before her death, including problems with her heart. And according to a GoFundMe campaign started by one of her friends, Stacey had been having

issues since the birth of the couple's first daughter in 2013.

Marissa, when did police start to suspect that Stacey's death was not from natural causes, and that something more sinister might have happened?

And a spokesperson for that office told NBC News that after Stacey's death, Stacey's mother contacted them.

“And she said she was suspicious of the circumstances surrounding Stacey's death and of the fact that Hunsucker”

received over $200,000 from two life insurance policies belonging to Stacey. So that's when the North Carolina Department of Insurance decided to start investigating. So what did they uncover? The investigators. Well, remember there was no autopsy. So investigators didn't have a body to examine or exhum, but what they did have was some of Stacey's blood.

According to the probable cause after David, Stacey had been an organ donor, and prior to her cremation, a sample of her blood had been preserved as is the normal process of possible organ donation. And the after David states that the blood sample was sent to a lab for testing and came back positive for a chemical called Techer Hydrosolene, which is found in eyedrops. And according to this document, Stacey had 30 to 40 times the therapeutic dose in her system. We've seen this chemical come up in data line stories before.

What does it do to the body Marissa when it's ingested? It seems just it has a nasty host of symptoms. It can cause vomiting, nausea, diarrhea, seizing, and even cardiac arrest. After that chemical was found in Stacey's blood, insurance investigators sat down with

“Joshua Hunsucker to get his side of the story. What did he say?”

That's right. And this wasn't the first time he'd talked to investigators, but according to

that of David, the stories he'd given the police and insurance companies had not been consistent. And an attorney for the North Carolina Office of Insurance said at a preliminary hearing that while Hunsucker didn't confess anything to insurance investigators during that interview. He allegedly gave them probable cause to arrest him. Hunsucker was arrested in late 2019 that was over a year after Stacey died. He was charged with first-degree murder insurance fraud and obtaining

property by false pretenses. He has pleaded not guilty to those charges, as we mentioned, has Hunsucker's legal team given any hints about how they plan to defend him? So that's the thing. We know that from the very beginning of this case, Hunsucker's defense team has argued that they would strenuously oppose the allegations. They pointed out Hunsucker had no criminal record, and in fact, he was released on bond a few days after his arrest.

At a hearing in 2023, according to the local newspaper, The Gaston Gazette, Hunsucker's defense asked to do their own testing on that blood sample, but we don't know what happened with that or whether it was even tested, and what makes it hard to know much more about the defense, and a lot of aspects of this case is that a judge has imposed a gag order, and so the attorney's really can't divulge anything about the case. Hunsucker was released on bond, but as we mentioned,

when we started this segment, that was not the end of his legal troubles. There are a whole bunch

of strange twists that we're about to talk about. Let us know about the first one.

So in 2021, he's at on bond, and Hunsucker gets arrested again this time on an arson charge, and prosecutors alleged that back in 2019, he started a fire on a medical helicopter during flight. We should say the prosecutor is not connecting that with Stacey's murder in any way, alleged murder. This is a separate case. Right. Yeah. Yes. Yes. It happened after the alleged murder about a month before his arrest, and he has pleaded not guilty in that case. Hunsucker hit the headlines

again in 2023 when prosecutors accused him of faking his own kidnapping. Yeah. That's right. Prosecutors say Hunsucker called 911 with a disturbing story that he'd stop to change a flat tire and was assaulted, and he'd had his hands obtied and was then injected with an unknown substance, and the person who he suggested was behind it was none other than Stacey's father. And according to prosecutors, this just wasn't true, and the whole kidnapping was staged.

“Do prosecutors have a theory about why Joshua will want to frame Stacey's dad?”

Well, according to the state, Hunsucker has engaged in a pattern of harassment against Stacey's parents for some time. Stacey's staging the kidnapping was part of that. According to local reporters, prosecutors argued an emotion to revoke Hunsucker's bond that he was attempting to intimidate his in-laws so that they wouldn't testify against him

and obstruction of justice. Hard to believe Marissa, but there is more.

Prosecutors say Hunsucker also attempted to poison his own daughter. That's right. So prosecutors are now alleging that Hunsucker gave one of his daughters that same chemical that was found in Stacey's blood and that the daughter got seriously ill. We should point out he hasn't been charged with an alleged poisoning, and he has pleaded not guilty to all the new charges. We haven't really heard much from the defense on these allegations. A lot has happened in the

nearly eight years since Stacey's death. After many delays, Joshua Hunsucker's long-awaited trial in the murder part of this all of this was set to begin last week in Gaston County, North Carolina,

but Marissa did not go as planned. Yeah, that's right. It looks like now his trial will likely

be rescheduled for January 27. And we don't know exactly why the trial was continued. And we may not know the reason for the delay until the trial starts. Fascinating case, we will be sure to follow up on this one. Marissa, thank you so much for joining us. Thank you so much Andrea. Coming up, last minute defense filings through the trial of the man accused of fatally stabbing Cleveland nurse Aliza Sherman

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Can we put that on my chair? It's gonna be a wild ride. The voice premiere is Monday, September 21st, on NBC. More than 13 years ago, Cleveland, nurse and mother of four, Eliza Sherman was stabbed to death outside her divorce attorney's office. For 12 years, no one was charged. Then, in May 2025, a bomb shell arrest. NBC affiliate WKYC covered the story. 51-year-old attorney, Gregory Moore, has been indicted on murder charges for the 2013 death of Eliza Sherman. Prosecutors

indicted Eliza's own divorce attorney accusing him of murdering her. They alleged he did it, because he wasn't prepared to take Eliza's divorce case to trial. More has pleaded not guilty.

His trial was finally supposed to begin this Monday. Instead, Moore's defense team has filed

motion after motion. Dateline Field Producer Simon Doolittle has been at the courthouse all week, keeping an eye on things. He's here now to bring us the latest. Hey Simon. Hey Andrea. Simon, so you were calling us from the courthouse corridor, if we hear some sounds in the background,

“you expected jury selection to start Monday, but it didn't. So what has been going on?”

Yeah, there has been a lot of anticipation for this trial. As you mentioned, 13 years since the murder certainly for Eliza's family and loved ones, a seemingly endless way. A lot of us really good think things were going to get started at long last on Monday. But instead, we've seen a jury of motions about the defense trying to either delay the trial or dismiss the charges altogether. All right. So before we get into these motions, remind us who Eliza was and what her situation

was before she died. Yeah. I mean, Eliza was a 53-year-old nurse, a vial accounts are really

a physician for more than 30 years, but at the time of 2013, they were getting a divorce and

“it was a visit. Yeah. So the divorce really comes into this because on March 24th, 2013,”

the day she was killed, she was at Moore's office. She was right outside the door. And her divorce trial was supposed to get underway that week. Exactly. Exactly. And most of what we know about the Lisa's last day comes from the grand jury of Diana. She gets there. The doors are law. And according to the indictment, she sends a series of text messages, she writes, "Will you be here soon, kind of cold, doors lock? If you're here, why don't you let me in?" Right around those moments,

prosecutors say, someone with a knife comes up behind her, chases her down the street,

and ends up stabbing her more than 10 times. The Lisa later released a video of a quoted figure in dark clothing from a nearby surveillance camera. They say, "This was the attacker, fling the seat."

“Were they able to make out a face of this figure in the dark clothes? It's hard to identify the”

person from the video that was publicly released. And it's not clear from the indictment, whether they believe that more himself did the standing or whether he simply orchestrated it. But what is clear is that even though it took 12 years to arrest him and charge him with this murder,

that they were looking at more from the earliest days in this investigation.

Please take his story of Justin Attop. He told him he had been his office waiting for her, but, according to the indictment, building records show that he re-entered up that door of the building after the attack. So in 2017, a few years after the murder, he actually continued to guilty to making false statements about his awareness to police in the investigation. And he served several months in jail. And there was something else about more that made investigators

take a closer look at him. Something very strange, Simon, walk us through this other piece of all of this. Yeah, so in 2012, this is before Alisa is murdered. Someone called bomb threats into three different courts this year in the Cleveland area. And before the murder, prosecutors had started to look at whether Gregory Moore had made these bomb threats as a way of delaying vicious, but he had in these courts. More eventually, please guilty to inciting panic

for two of those months. Fast forward to today, and prosecutors do believe that that behavior sheds light on what may have motivated more to murder Alisa. They essentially are arguing that Moore was taking even more extreme measures to delay a trial in this case, Alisa with the worst trial. Instead of calling him bomb threats, they think he initially planned to kidnap Alisa, but that's somehow things escalated, and she was killed exactly how we go from a kidnapping

plot to murder is unclear. It's one of the things we're hoping to get clarity on in the trial. So we're talking about 12 years between Alisa's murder and more being arrested. And his defense is saying that that long time period has made it impossible for them to defend their client properly. Yeah, Moore's attorneys filed a motion asking the judge to dismiss the case because of those 12 years. They said witnesses had died. Evidence had been lost. At an evidentiary hearing in July,

the defense laid out leads. They say they would have pursued had so much time not passed. One key witness, Simon, they say they lost access to was Alisa's estranged husband Sanford. Absolutely on Sanford died in 2024. Look, you can certainly understand why defense attorneys are very concerned about Sanford. They brought a friend of his to the stand, a retired police officer who has to pack that Sanford went to ask him how someone could commit the perfect crime.

He said he told Sanford things like it's not using a gun or a car that can be traced back to you. Investigators must have looked into Sanford early on. He and Alisa were mid-divores.

“Absolutely. And honestly, this was not just any divorce. It was a really, really messy divorce.”

In fact, there was a civil suit after Alisa's death brought by Alisa and Sanford's own daughter. And, you know, she alleges that he mismanaged millions of dollars, hid them from his wife, blew all that money on strippers and affairs on the side and investigators did interview Sanford.

He was nowhere near downtown when the attack happened. There was another lead. The defense said that they wish they could have explored. And that came up during the testimony of one of Alisa's former co-workers. Yeah, this former co-worker testified that a threatening voicemail had been left at their office

“shortly before Alisa had been killed. Who was it, this threatening voicemail?”

This is something the defense is raising as a sort of tantalizing alternate theory of the case that because so much time has passed. They're really not in a position to chase down. How did the prosecution handle this? So prosecutors push back, essentially saying that none of this proves more can't still get a fair trial. And in August, the judge agreed and denied the motion to dismiss.

That brings us to this week, Simon, the trial was supposed to get underway Monday and it didn't. What happened? Yeah, the defense filed motions requesting delays and again, dismissing of the charges altogether. One of the things the defense has raised is, they say only recently, have they received a really large volume of evidence, including thousand pages of an expert report. They claimed they didn't have time to go go over it all and

give an adequate defense. And then there's this fight over the lead prosecutor. The defense says

“he had been communicating with an attorney who represented more years earlier. Why is that a concern?”

Yes, a raising the possibility of whether confidential information at that more defense could have been shared with prosecutors. Now prosecutors vigorously deny any wrongdoing say

such wins the accusations never before in their career had they seen these sorts of

accusations been passed around. So things have gotten a little bit heated on that regard. What was the judge's response to these motions? Well, on Tuesday, she denied all of them, which one would think opens the door for the trial to finally start, but the defense filed yet another motion. This time asking the judge to throw the case and their alleging double jeopardy. Basically, they're saying the plea deal that

more had back in 2017 to making false statements about his word of eyes to police should mean that he can't be charged with any crimes related to this incident. Prosecutors have responded to that allegation of double jeopardy calling this motion a bad attempt to thwart justice

“early to Sherman. So after all that, Simon, the judge denied the defense motion. So what's next?”

So we are in jury selection now and of course, you're going to learn more as trial gets started. Thank you, Simon. Thank you, Andrew. Up next, it's time for Dateline Roundup. We've got updates in the David and Lindsay Clancy cases and news from the prosecutor about what's next for Nick Reiner, the man accused of murdering his film director, dad, Rob Reiner and photographer mom Michelle Singer Reiner.

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this week's roundup is Dateline Booking Producer Caitlin Cut. Hey Caitlin. Hi Andrea.

So Caitlin for our first story, we have an update in the Lindsey Clancy case. The mother and former

was suffering from postpartum psychosis. Clancy's trial ended of course in a dramatic mistrial

“due to the 11 to one jury deadlock. But Clancy's defense attorney Kevin Readington”

is not ready to accept that. He has filed something called a renewed motion asking the court to find her not guilty. Caitlin, what is this motion all about? Okay, so what's interesting is that word renewed. Readington has filed this motion twice during the trial asking the court to find Clancy not guilty both times the judge denied this motion. Now Readington is asking the judge

to consider this motion for a third time. So what is the crux of this argument? Is there anything

different from the last time he tried this? There is. Yeah, so he's arguing that the prosecution failed to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Clancy was sane when she killed her kids. What's different this time is that he's using what happened during jury deliberations to bolster his case. He's referring to the four persons note, which stated that the holdout jury admitted to having reasonable doubt, meaning according to Readington, that every single juror had reasonable doubt

“about the prosecution's case and therefore the judge showed a quick Clancy. Caitlin, the jury”

continues to be in the news this week with the spotlight, of course, being on the lone juror holdout, and we've actually learned more about him. Right, NBC 10 in Boston did an investigation

into him and flagged that he had been arrested and charged with domestic violence in 2021.

The criminal charge was later dismissed, but according to NBC Boston's reporting, last year, the juror's nephew filed a restraining order against him after he allegedly punched his nephew in the face. NBC Boston attempted to contact the juror but has not received any response. We should say that having an arrest history or restraining order doesn't disqualify someone from serving on a jury under Massachusetts law, but the reports stirred up a lot of controversy.

A controversy, Caitlin, that has now gotten the judge's attention, tell us how he is weighing in on this. Totally. So, usually, juror information becomes public record once the trial ends, but in Clancy's case, the judge issued two orders this week, ceiling juror information.

He said that the case is created real concerns of juror safety. He noted that some of the jurors

have been identified publicly without permission, and at least one juror has received threats. Okay, any news on what's next in the actual case? On September 29th, there is another hearing schedule, so maybe we'll find out then what the prosecution's planning. Okay, lots ahead. Next up, there has been a development in the case of singer David, legal name David Anthony Burke, who was charged with the murder of 14-year-old Celeste Revis Hernandez.

Prosecutors in Los Angeles alleged this singer was having a sexual relationship with Celeste who was under age. They believe he killed her when she threatened to expose that relationship. David has pleaded not guilty and remains behind bars. Celeste's family has now filed a lawsuit against the singer and some other people in his world, some people that we hadn't heard much about before. Yeah, that's right, Andrea. Celeste's parents filed a wrongful death lawsuit,

which names David, obviously, as a defendant, but also his mother, Colleen, members of his management team, his living security guard, and three companies connected to him. It's essentially saying that these people should all be held liable for Celeste's death.

“Specifically, what is the lawsuit saying about David's mother, Colleen?”

The lawsuit says that Colleen served as David's personal finance director, who had control over his funds. The lawsuit claims that she therefore facilitated the relationship, and the lawsuit also alleges that Colleen hosted Celeste for one or more nights in her own home. So the 14-year-old could spend time with David suggesting she knew about and enabled the relationship. Now, it's really important to note here that Colleen is not charged with any crime, and this lawsuit isn't saying

that she was involved in the murder. Instead, it's claiming that Colleen's negligence led to Celeste's death, and B.C. News has reached out to Colleen Burke, but did not receive a response. The lawsuit also accused David of something that is not a charge that he's facing in the criminal case. So in the civil suit, it lists human trafficking. Yeah. This is an interesting strategy and compelling, because Celeste's family is arguing that what David did to Celeste constitutes human

trafficking. According to the lawsuit, David gave Celeste's shelter, money, food, designer gifts, in exchange for sexual acts. And the lawsuit says that this is tantamount to human trafficking under the law, especially since she was a minor and could not consent to sex. David's criminal trial does not have a date set yet, but we will keep you posted on that and on the civil case. Our final story is also out of Los Angeles. Nick Reiner was back in court this week for a

Michelle Singer Reiner in their L.A. home in December 2025. He has pleaded not guilty,

“Caitlin, what came out of this hearing? Well, Andrea, there's a few major updates here. Right”

before the hearing started, Los Angeles District Attorney Nathan Hawkeman spoke to the press outside of the Los Angeles Courthouse. And he announced that prosecutors will not be seeking the death penalty in this case. We did speak with Nick Reiner's siblings. They made their views very

clear. We took that, their views into consideration, and ultimately deciding not to seek the death penalty.

So this means that the maximum sentence that Nick would receive if convicted will be life without parole. Do we know Caitlin any of the details in the case against him yet? They've been pretty tight-lipped. Yeah, no. The court has not released any details in this case. All court transcripts, including evidence in the case are sealed. According again to the District Attorney, Nick Simlin's Jake and Romney Reiner have asked the judge to keep them sealed because it was caused additional trauma

“for the family if the details about their parents' killings were disclosed.”

Has a trial date been set in this case? Nathan Hawkeman said in the press conference that in

his estimate the trial will not start before 2027. Okay, thank you for these updates, Caitlin.

Thank you, Andrea. Recently, it feels like we've seen a lot of investigations that involve boats. Just last week, we told you about the case of 18-year-old Anna Kepner, who was murdered on a cruise ship. In July, we covered the case of Mississippi teenager Nolan Wells, who was found dead after traveling to a beach party on a boat. And of course, there's the case that took me to the Bahamas in April,

the mysterious disappearance of Lynette Hooker, who was living with her husband on their boat called the soulmate when she vanished. Tonight, what police are calling a search and rescue

for a 56-year-old woman who vanished at sea in the Bahamas is intensifying.

These cases made us wonder what goes into investigating a case on the water, and what makes it different from solving one on land. Today, we're joined by Caleb King, a special agent with the Coast Card Investigative Service to give us the load-out. Welcome to the podcast, Caleb. Thanks for having me. Yeah, so Caleb, you work with the Coast Card Investigative Service or CGIS. What is your organization responsible for what types of cases

do you deal with? We, as CGIS, what we really try to be good at is crimes on boats. And where CGIS really tries to fit in on like any other agency is just knowing all about boats and whether and systems on a boat and what should be there, what shouldn't be there, and also navigating the very complex nature of maritime law and the application of US Exeteratorial Law for crimes that are committed on boats on a high seas or in US waters. And I know you deal with

human trafficking, drug cases, murders, how do these cases end up on your desk? Sometimes a law enforcement partner, the Department of Justice, the Coast Card itself may ask us to join a case, but I would say an increasing number of our cases are ones that we find out about on our own and initiate in the age of social media. We see a lot of things on the internet that peak our interest for sure. The true crime type of cases, missing persons, murderous things like that, a lot of them in

the maritime domain, they start out as a search and rescue case. But when something doesn't look right with a search and rescue, we take a look at it and we try to be really good at knowing what looks suspicious to determine if it really was a missing person or if there was a child playing ball. The boats today are so sophisticated, you know, with their GPS and their radar,

“you must have to be so on top of all the electronics. Yes, so think about your car. I mean,”

a modern-day car is recording information about speed, breaking, air conditioning and think about a vessel that someone lives on that's put power systems and water systems and navigation systems. We've got every manner of experts on what happens when there's an accident with the vessel. The mentions, all of the different systems on a boat, we have expertise with a co-scard of how to understand what those things are. This brings us to Brian Hooker's

a boat, Brian and Lynette Hooker soulmate, your organization ended up seizing that boat in Florida. You know, the soulmate is a U.S. flight vessel, so the co-scard has jurisdiction for crime's commitment vessel essentially worldwide. We know we wanted to get the boat because as a crime scene at sea, it's not like a crime that happens at your local bank or

bringing your forensics people, the boat is the scene and it moves, it's subject to weather, boats can sink but in TGIS we know that if a crime happens on a boat we either have to get the boat or we have to get agents to the boat and the co-scard used all of the three sources.

Our aviation assets, our service assets and small boats and we basically follow that boat

when it left the Bahamas and we boarded and seized the boat about 40 miles off the coast of Florida and brought it back to the Southern District of Florida and a lot went into getting that boat

“but I think it'll prove to be very important. If only we could be a fly on the wall.”

We'll have to wait and see if anything comes out eventually, evidentiary-wise. We should remind listeners that Lynette's husband Brian has not been charged with a crime and says

his wife fell off their dinghy. Just speaking generally, I think there are people who think

I can get away with a crime because I'm on the water. There are no cameras, there are no witnesses, what would you say to anyone who thinks that this is possibly the perfect crime? Any crew investigator, any federal agent, any technical tell you, you know, we only need the bad guy to mess up once. We are going to seek every manner of digital evidence, physical evidence,

“interviews, cameras, communication systems and it's very difficult in this day and age to not slip”

up. Well, special agent King, thank you for joining us. We appreciate all that you do

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