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I'm Blaine Alexander. It's April 2nd, and here's what's on our docket.

In South Carolina, a pastor has been charged with cyber stalking his own wife. They say that he sent her unwanted and harassing text messages and had tracking devices on her car. So this is really intense. In Date Line Roundup, we've got a big update in the case of the alleged Gilgo Beach serial killer. And new charges have been filed against a former American idol contestant who's accused of murdering his wife.

He was hit with a waterfall of new charges, including aggravated murder and intimidation of an attorney victim or witness. Plus, after an Indiana teen was allegedly kidnapped by a man she met playing video games online. Her dad is now on a mission to change the law. Predators depend on that delayed response to take your child further away from you. But before all of that, we're back in a Hawaii courtroom at the trial of an anesthesiologist accused of trying to murder his wife.

A key prosecution witness has taken the stand, the anesthesiologist's son. It's week 3 in the trial of Gerhard Koneg. That's the anesthesiologist accused of attempting to kill his wife when they were hiking on the scenic Pali Puka Trail in a Wahoo on March 24, 2025. He is pleaded not guilty. Last week on the show, we talked about the disturbing testimony of Dr. Koneg's wife Ariel, who told the jury how her husband pushed her towards the edge of a steep cliff, pulled out a syringe to try and inject her with a mysterious substance and then hit her in the head with a rock multiple times,

only stopping when two other hikers arrived at the scene. I at some point here, women's voice say we're here, we're calling 911.

“So after you hear that woman's voice, what happened?”

Gerhard just kind of froze and knelt back away from me and I just crawled away really slowly. But it's what Gerhard Koneg did neck that the prosecutor asked the jury to pay attention to this week. He alleges that after running off into the woods, Gerhard called Emil Koneg, his 19-year-old son from a previous marriage to confess. He says, "I'm not going to make it back. I tried to kill Eric, but she got away." Gerhard's defense attorney says far from being a confession, the call was Gerhard's goodbye to his son as he contemplated suicide.

Who's calling him to tell him he was sorry? Who's calling him to tell him that he wished he was a better man? On Tuesday, the jurors got to hear from Emil himself as he took the stand against his father. Can you start off by stating your name, please? Emil Koneg, and who is Gerhard Koneg to you? My father. Here to bring us the latest from the court room is Hawaii News Now, Anchor and Reporter, Mahelani Richardson.

Welcome back, Mahelani. Aloha, Blaine. Aloha, so good to see you. Thank you for being here with us to break this down.

And last week you mentioned that this case was basically a he said she said type of situation.

The only two people who really know, of course, would happen at the top of that mountain are Gerhard and Ariel. Now, she says that he attacked her first, but Gerhard's defense is basically saying that she hit him first. The state has since been calling a bunch of witnesses to support their version of events.

“But right down for us, what is the jury heard so far in this case?”

We heard from Ariel Koneg herself. She lifted her bangs to show the head injury that she still had.

The prosecution also showed pictures of her from the incident.

Bloody head, blood streaming down her face. And we also heard from an emergency room doctor who said the injury went down to her skull. If you could see down and through portions of this last duration, you could actually see the skull. I observed pieces of rock in material that were actually embedded in the last duration. Oh my gosh, that's just incredibly graphic.

I mean, just some really disturbing details on all of this.

“Right down for us, how has the defense been handling these expert witnesses on the sand?”

When it comes to the doctors, the experts who've looked at the case, the defense has been very, very pointed in questioning. The defense said that the injury, it looks bad, but it's not that bad. When we heard from that emergency room doctor, the doctor said that she did not have a traumatic brain injury and no internal bleeding. And doctor, the CAT scan to the head indicated that there were no skull fractures, correct? Correct.

And no hemorrhaging was found either, yes? I mean, correct? No internal hemorrhage. Now we know that Gerhard's laptop was turned over to the police. Walk us through that. There was hours of testimony in terms of what Gerhard looked at on his computer. After he believed that he had discovered that his wife had been cheating on him.

And he was on the computer late night reading these forms about infidelity and divorce. The detective also said that Gerhard sent an email to a woman named Andrea Miller. And Andrea Miller is the wife of Jeff Miller, the man who Ariel was allegedly having an affair with. And he wanted to talk to her on the phone. He offered his number. At this point, we don't know if Andrea Miller ever responded to his email.

So Ariel told the jury last week about this emotional affair. She was having with Miller.

He lived another state and she says it never got physical.

But it sounds like the prosecutor was using Gerhard's digital footprint to show just how upset he was at the issues in their marriage. Those ongoing problems. Still, the search histories, the injuries don't answer that basic question though. Again, who hit first? That's kind of what it sounds like this whole thing is coming down to, right? So, email took the stand on Tuesday and I'm just curious. What was your impression of him?

You've been following this case from the very start. Email is very young. He was very somber. He was serious. Only looked at the prosecutor. He didn't look around. His answers were very short. Very concise and not emotional. So one of the big things of course is that call he got from his dad.

Let's listen to what he says about that call.

“The defendant tells you during that call is close to word for word as you can remember that he would not be making it back to Maui”

and to take good care of the younger kids and that he had that area. My son mom had been shooting on him and that he tried to kill her. Did the defendant say anything about self defense? No. Did the defendant say anything about aerial attacking him? No.

So this was a face time. Email could see his dad. What did email say that he noticed about his dad during that call? Email said that he noticed that there were blood splatters on his dad shirt and we asked about it. He said that Gerhard told him that it was aerial split. I mean, that had to have just been shocking for him to hear.

But then shortly after that first call Gerhard actually called a meal a second time, what was that all about?

This was about an hour after that first face time call when Gerhard called again on face time. He told the meal that he wanted to jump off the cliff according to email. He said that he was just going to jump and said that a couple times. So after the defendant told you he was going to jump a couple times during the second call. How did you respond?

Same way as before said not to. You told the defendant not to jump. How did the second call end? With him saying, with the defendant saying, I'm going to go before the police catch me.

“Let's talk about the defense strategy on cross. How did the defense approach cross examination?”

The defense asked if email wrote down what his dad said, if there was any recordings, if there was any video of what the dad said. You could see if the defense was challenging his memory of what happened. You remember telling the detective initially that your dad told you he tried to kill aerial by pushing her off a cliff. You remember telling the detective that? Yes.

But later on, when the detective asked you about that, you clarified and you said, the part about pushing her off the cliff was what your zoomed team meant, not what he had actually said.

Yes, correct.

And Mahalani the defense also pressed email on his relationship with aerial side of the family versus Gerhard side of the family.

“So what exactly is the defense trying to do with this line of questioning?”

Well, the defense is trying to show some sort of bias by a meal. And the last year since this incident, you have continued to live with aerial curve. Yes. You also would see aerial's parents, Judy and Pete regularly over the last year, correct? Correct.

And you refer to them as your grandparents, yes? Yes.

And you became with you to court today, yes?

Yes. The defense is trying to show that email is very close to aerial and her family.

“But when it meal was in high school, he chose to live with Gerhard Ariel and his two half brothers in Calhulu, Maui.”

They had been living together for about two years before this violent incident. He works on Maui and lives with Ariel and his two half brothers today after this incident. That's fascinating. There is a lot to watch in this case. Mahalani Richardson, we know that you will be all over it.

Thank you so much for joining us.

Thank you. After we taped our conversation on Wednesday, the defense called Dr. Coneck to the stand will bring you details on what he had to say in next week's episode. Coming up, nearly two years after a woman was found dead in a park, prosecutors have accused her past or husband of cyber stalking her. He was a young Marine. She didn't care about convention. They made a life together.

Then one night, the Marine died. And then the death investigation took a wild, unexpected, and utterly bizarre turn. I'm Josh Maykowitz and this is trace of suspicion on all new podcasts from daylight. Listen to all episodes of trace of suspicion now, wherever you get your podcasts. Hey guys, Willie Geist here reminding you to check out the Sunday Sit Down podcast.

On this week's episode, I get together with Academy Award winner Matthew McConaughey to talk about his career from days and confused and his thoughts in a new book on a better direction for the country. You can get our conversation for free, wherever you get download your podcasts. For our next story, we are heading down to South Carolina with a sudden death of a pastor's 30-year-old wife two years ago made national headlines and is back in the news. And just a warning for our listeners, this segment includes discussions of suicide, so please take care while listening.

On April 27th, 2024, Mike Miller left her mortal beach home, went to a pawn shop, purchased a gun, and crossed state lines to lumber river state park in North Carolina. From there, she called 911. Then, Mike, a hung up the phone. Police were dispatched to the park where a kayak or alerted them to a body floating in the river. It was Mike. Mike's death made headlines after suspicion circulated online that her estranged husband, a well-known pastor named John Paul or J.P. Miller, abused her and may have even been responsible for her death.

J.P. Miller has denied any abuse or involvement in Mike's death and a medical examiner officially ruled it a suicide. But now, almost two years later, J.P. Miller is facing criminal charges in connection to his wife, not for anything to do with her death, but for how prosecutors say he treated her when she was still alive. Miller has pleaded not guilty to charges of cyber stalking and lying to investigators, those of the charges against him, and he set to face trial this month. So joining us now to break it all down is reporter Eric Richards, who has been covering this case for the NBC affiliate WMBF in Murdoch.

Eric, thank you so much for joining us. A very nice to be with you today. So Eric just give us some background. Tell us about Micah and J.P. Miller. Well, I can tell you that Micah really was well-loved in her community and her family. She was very deeply rooted in her faith. J.P. Miller, the pastor at Solid Rock Church, that was his church then in Murdoch Beach, and that is where he actually met Micah.

They were friends since like 2009. She was a teenager when they met. He was 30 years old at the time. They became a couple, though, and actually married in 2017.

“So what was the state of their relationship leading up to Micah's death?”

Can you kind of pull back the curtain for us a little bit? Well, yeah, I can tell you that they were actually estranged at the time of Micah's death.

The second time was on April 15, less than two weeks before her death and her sister,

“Sierra Francis actually alleged that J.P. had been abusive towards Micah.”

Sierra said that Micah told her on many occasions that if she ended up with a bullet in her head, it was not by her, but actually by J.P. Wow. And Sierra said this in a sworn affidavit. This is just such a chilling thing to hear. You know, Micah had actually filed a police report the month before her death saying that she feared for her life. But the medical examiner said that there was no concern for foul play that this was consistent with suicide.

All this on top of J.P. Miller, who was actually in a different state at the time that Micah died. He was down here in South Carolina allegedly with a woman that he was romantically involved with,

this according to the Robson County Sheriff's Office.

And of course, Micah died in North Carolina, so across the border from each other. Correct. Okay. Well, in the months after Micah's death, the FBI did get involved in the case when local authorities asked for their assistance. But then three months ago, December of 2025, there was some big news. P. Miller was indicted on federal charges of cyber stalking and making false statements to investigators.

It's a very interesting charge, right? We think of stalking as something that a potential victim gets from somebody they don't know. But in this case, the alleged cyber stalking is being done husband to his own wife. Exactly. You know, when you read the indictment, it sounds more like a domestic violence incident.

“The typical strange or danger or stalking situation. What exactly are prosecutors alleging that J.P. did to Micah and when are they alleging it happened?”

Yeah. Well, they're saying that this really started in November of 2022 until her death in April of 2024 with J.P. Miller allegedly engaging in various cyber stalking behaviors. They say that he sent her unwanted and harassing text messages and other electronic communications prosecutors. Also, say J.P. had posted a nude photo of her online without her consent and also threatened to do so various other times. They say that J.P. had tracking devices on her car. In fact, that could surveil her with the end goal really of harassing and intimidating her.

So this is really intense. That's the cyber stalking charge. Break down the false statement charge. The false statements surround events on March 11 of 2024 on that day. Micah had actually contacted the police and said that she believed that somebody had deflated her tires. And that she felt that she was being followed and contacted unwillingly by J.P.

And I prosecuted to say that J.P. falsely claimed that Micah called him more than he actually called her that day. And in fact, it was the other way around. And they say that J.P. also told police that he did not damage Micah's tires. When in fact, they said that he did using a deflating device. Wow. Okay. So I'm really struck by this. There are these new charges that come about two years after Micah's death.

But it doesn't sound like there are any charges actually relating to her death. This indictment does not lay the blame any blame. Any blame, in fact, on J.P. Miller for Micah's death will in January. J.P. Miller pleaded not guilty to both of the federal charges against him. So Eric tell us what's next for J.P. Miller here. J.P. is still out on bond. And he has to wear an ankle monitor after several delays last week.

There was finally a date set for his final pre-trial conference.

That will happen actually on April 14th with jury selection scheduled on April 21st.

“And if there is a conviction on these charges of what sort of sentence could these charges bring?”

Well, J.P. you know, if convicted faces up to five years in prison for the cyber stocking charge. And up to two years for making those false statements. Okay. And before we go, we'd like to share some information with everyone who's listening. If you were someone you know is in crisis, please call the suicide and crisis lifeline at 988. Or you can visit the website 988 lifeline.org.

And if you need resources on domestic violence or if you're in an unsafe situation, a good place to go is the national domestic violence hotline. That number is 800 799 safe. 800 799 7233, or you can text the word begin, be EGI in to 888788 or go to the hotline.org. And of course, we'll put that number in all of that information in our episode description. Eric Richards from WMBF.

Thank you so much for joining us to break this down. And for all of your great reporting on this, we know that you'll continue to stay on top of it.

Up next, it's time for Dateline Roundup. The alleged Gilgo Beach serial killer may not be headed to trial after all.

We've got the latest and new charges in the case of a former American idle contestant accused of murder. Plus, after an Indiana teenager is allegedly kidnapped and abused by a man she met online, her dad wants lawmakers to do more to protect children. Hey, guys, Willie guys here. We're celebrating 10 years of Sunday today by hosting a very special Sunday sit-down live event in our guests as one of the biggest stars on the planet, Ryan Reynolds. We're taking our conversation to the stage in front of an audience of you for one night only at city winery in New York on April 7th, an intimate in-person evening.

I promise you won't want to miss tickets are limited, so grab yours now at today.com. Welcome back. Joining me for this week's Roundup is Dateline Producer Rachel White, Hi Rachel. Hi, Blaine. Well, first we're off to Long Island, New York, where there is a stunning development in the case against Rex Heurman, the man accused of murdering seven women and dumping their bodies in or near Gilgo Beach dating back to 1993. Rachel, this trial is certainly one of the most highly anticipated trials of the year. Tell us a latest on this case.

So Heurman's trial was scheduled for September 2026 and, you know, he was arrested in 2023, had maintained his innocence and pleaded not guilty. But according to two sources close to the case who spoke with WNBC's Greg Circle, he's now expected to plead guilty.

“Oh, wow, that is a very big change. Do we know exactly when he's expected to change this plea?”

Court records show that he's expected back in court on April 8th, so that's when we think he could change this plea. So, of course, now the big question is, why might he be changing his plea? Why now? I mean, that is the big question. Heurman and his attorneys have yet to release a statement. You know, we've watched the state build a sprawling case against Heurman with DNA evidence, cell phone and digital evidence.

We've also seen the defense challenge the state's evidence, planning to present their case, and ultimately lost those arguments.

So did that impact Heurman's decision to change his plea? We don't know. But either way, this is a huge development and certainly changes the trajectory of this decades long saga. Absolutely, and then calling it a saga is very accurate. We will certainly be watching this on April 8th, so there's more to come there. Next we've got a verdict out of the state of Mississippi in the murder trial of Jeff Spence. That's the man accused of murdering his daughter's boyfriend, entrepreneur and precious metals dealer Kirby Carpenter. This happened back in 2022.

Rachel, this is the case. I know that you've been following very closely. Just give us a quick reminder about this one. Sure. So back in 2022, Kirby Carpenter was found shot dead outside his home. A year went by without any arrests. But then, on the anniversary of Kirby's death, there was news of not one, but three arrests. Kirby's girlfriend, Caitlin Spence, and her parents, Jeff and Karen Spence were all arrested.

“Just break down what was the investigator's theory of this crime?”

So they alleged that the family conspired to kill Kirby, but the Jeff Spence was the one who fired the fatal shots. And as for why prosecutors believed it was all about money and greed for Jeff Spence. Kirby was in the precious metals trade. He often carried gold, silver, and lots of cash on him. And their theory was that Jeff Spence wanted to take that from him. So Rachel, as we talked about last week, Kirby's girlfriend and her family members initially pleaded not guilty to these charges.

Before their trial got underway, Caitlin is girlfriend and her mother Karen changed their pleas. Just walk us through what we know about all of that. Karen Spence took an Alfred plea to being an accessory to Grand Larsoning. She got 10 years suspended sentence and is out on probation. Caitlin pleaded guilty to being an accessory after the fact to capital murder and agreed to testify against her dad at his trial with her sentencing set for after his trial took place. Okay, Rachel, so her dad, Jeff Spence, did go to trial back in 2025. During that trial, the jury deadlocked and a mistrial was declared.

So last week, his second trial began.

“And as we mentioned, the star witness in his first trial was his daughter, Caitlin, did we hear her testify again in the second trial as well?”

We did. And just like during his first trial, she told jurors about a conversation that she had with her father, where he basically confessed to killing Kirby. Okay, let's listen to a little bit of that. Later by a waterfall, your dad apparently implies that he killed Kirby, right? Yes. Do you enter a plea of guilty to accessory as a child?

And what was the basis for your pleading to that?

For the knowledge that I had after of my conversation was my father.

“Based on that information, did you make, did you consider that information to be your dad admitting to you to kill in Kirby Company?”

Yes. Well last Friday, this case made its way into the hands of a jury. Rachel, you were right there, you were at the courthouse. And the jury came back pretty quickly. Yes. So they got the case around lunchtime, and they were back with a verdict about two hours later. Oh, wow. That's very quick. Let's take a listen.

Wait, here you are. After this verdict was delivered, the judge went directly to sentencing Jeff Spence, and he received the mandatory life sentence. Okay. And Rachel, what about Caitlin, what happened with her sentencing?

“On Monday, Caitlin Spence was sentenced to 20 years suspended, so she won't be serving any more time behind bars.”

She'll just be under supervised probation for the next five years. Was this an unexpected sentence for her? It was not. So the prosecutors recommended that the judge stick to the terms of their agreement saying, Caitlin did testify, and it did lead to a conviction. So that's what the judge did.

And finally, we are off to Ohio, where a former American Idol Contestant is back in court this week.

Back in February, Caleb Flynn was arrested after his wife Ashley was found shot dead in the couple's home. Rachel, just give us a quick reminder about this case. Sure. So Caleb Flynn was a contestant on season 12 of American Idol, which aired back in 2013. In his interview for the show, he talked about how much he loved his wife. I love my wife more than anything. She is very, very pretty, just whoop, I love her.

Caleb Flynn made headlines in February 26 when he was charged with his wife's murder. And according to authorities on the night of February 16, Caleb called 911 to report an intruder saying that someone broke into his house and shot his wife in the head. But after processing the scene, investigators concluded that Caleb had staged the scene and was responsible for killing his wife.

“Rachel, since we last talked about this case, he was hit with several more charges, right?”

Yeah, so originally he was arrested and charged with Ashley's murder, felony assault and tampering with evidence. He pleaded not guilty. But then following a grand jury indictment on March 18, he was hit with a waterfall of new charges, including aggravated murder and intimidation of an attorney victim or witness. As for who Flynn is accused of intimidating, the indictment doesn't say, but it did say that this happened between February 16th through February 18th, so the day surrounding his wife's death.

Now he faces a total of 11 charges, and he has yet to enter a plea for the new charges. Okay, and this week he had a pretrial hearing, right? So what happened there? Well, we learned that his court date has been set, so it's April 28th, that trial is expected to last two weeks. Okay, and I know that we will continue to follow that one as well. Rachel, thank you so much. Thank you for having me.

For our final story, I wanted to talk to a dad who's heading to the Indiana State House this week to lobby for new legislation that he believes could help protect children. He's speaking out after suffering a truly unthinkable loss, the alleged kidnapping and death of his own daughter. This dad's name is Bo Busby. On January 5th, 2026, Bo said goodnight to his 17 year old daughter Hayley, and the next morning when he woke up, she had vanished. Police say a missing 17 year old is now considered to be an endangered missing juvenile.

Within days, investigators figured out Hayley had been communicating for more than a year or with a man that she'd met through an online gaming platform. That man's name, investigators say, is 39 year old Tyler Thomas. Authorities say Thomas picked Hayley up from her Indiana home on the night she disappeared and took her to Ohio. Nearly four weeks later, Thomas led investigators to her remains. Tyler Thomas has been federally charged with sexual exploitation of a minor, and with traveling across state lines, with intent to engage in illicit sexual conduct.

He has not been charged with Hayley's death. His attorney told NBC affiliate WTHR that he plans to fight those charges. Since Hayley's death, her father Bo has sent out to change the law in Indiana to close what he sees as gaps in the current alert system for missing teens and to set up safeguards to protect kids from people they meet online. Bo joins us now to talk more about it.

Bo first, thank you so much for joining us today.

I am, I don't have enough words to say how sorry I am for your loss, and I really really appreciate you speaking with us today.

Before we dive into our conversation, Bo, I just want you to tell me about Hayley. I want to know more about your little girl. Tell me about her.

You know, Hayley was a very kind and loving smart girl, such a special child with one of the sweetest spirits, such a special girl is so many.

“I can only imagine, but I mean, I think that what you're about to describe is something that lives in the fear of every parent.”

So, if you could just walk me through what happened, how did you realize she was missing and what happened after that? Sure. You know, it's a good day on that Monday night. Followed a lot of our normal family. I'll say daily routines, traditions.

We usually end the night with her tucking in her little sister before bed.

And then before we go to bed, stop by her room till her night one more time. Nothing really stood out the next morning. We realized that she wasn't home. We knew something was very wrong. We immediately reached out to law enforcement and then started working hard and diligently to find her and bring her home. So, Beau, you reported Hayley missing right away, but initially the police classified her as a runaway because she had left a note telling you not to come looking for her.

So, what that meant then is that an alert didn't go out right away, notifying the public that she was missing, and police then waited a day before issuing a press release.

I know that you've said that you believe this cost you valuable time.

“And in the end, and I think this applies across most states, we have Amber Alerts, we have this silver Alerts, but they're so outdated and they don't reflect today's reality or risks.”

Because she wasn't physically abducted, you know, because that's sort of the laws that we're still working under, you know, physically taken, you know, that you get the runaway category assigned and predators depend on that delayed response to take your child further away from you. Beau, you're now pushing for what's being called Hayley's law in the state of Indiana, and it includes what's called a pink alert. Explain that to me. What is that and how would that work? So it's looking at risk. What are these things that we see in today's world where we know these are high-risk situations and applying those to our response.

It's not just looking at, well, this kid decided to leave the house. It's well, what else are we seeing? We know how these predators, these experts online, you know, their tactics. And so let's look for those, and if we start to see some of those, maybe you'll get some type of public notification within 24 48 hours, and it needs to be more timely.

“I know that a big part of Hayley's law, and I think this is so important, is helping prevent situations like this before they happen.”

Let's talk about the education piece. You know, in Indiana, we have our education requirements. We have cyberbullying, we have trafficking, but we don't talk about predators, or we don't talk about rumors. That's nowhere in the law. Gruming is so often that first contact point, that first interaction, it makes sense that we start there and teach our kids, you know, what to look for, and how to respond and our parents as well. So that's what we're trying to do there with it with the required education.

Well, by the way, I just want to end with this. Is there anything that you want to say to parents who are listening about warning signs, red flags that you wish you'd watched for something that you would like parents to know today? We have to become stronger advocates for our children in their safety, because there are so many gaps. You know, Hayley wasn't like the stereotypical gamer, and she wasn't in her room all day with her doors closed, you know, just gaming. Our kids are just too accessible and the companies and the platforms that, you know, want to be in our homes.

And I don't feel like they're doing their part of it to ensure that they're being responsible and looking out for the safety of well being of those users that are using their platforms. Absolutely, but thank you. Thank you. That's it for this episode of Dateline True Crime Weekly. To get at free listening for all of our podcasts, just subscribe to Dateline Premium. And we've got some very exciting news, Dateline's missing in America podcast has been nominated for a webby award in the crime and Justice podcast category.

And coming up this Friday, I have a brand new episode that I've been working on for the past few months.

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It's about a murder plot involving in a fair, a fetish website, and a live-in repair, and we have exclusive footage from her very first police interrogation.

You can watch temptation this Friday at 9/8 central on NBC, or you can stream it starting Saturday on peacock. I hope you'll join us.

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