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Legal fireworks in Durham County, North Carolina, as the defense attorney of a man accused of murdering a college student, points the finger at her roommate. The defense alleges Karina must have been in the apartment when faith was killed. In date line roundup, we're inside the courtroom for two dramatic sentences. A judge has strong words for Tracy Grist, the Utah mom who mastermind the murder of her

son-in-law, and Gilgo Beach serial killer Rex Huerman faces the tears and anger of the families of the women he murdered. "But you have done true our family is beyond what worse can express." Plus, Kar's and crime, a veteran crime scene investigator tells us what he looks out for when he's processing a car for clues.

A lot of vehicles have touched screens, which are fantastic. It's basically saying leave your fingerprints here. Before all that, we're heading back to a San Diego courtroom where an unusual witness took the stand last week and transported the jury to a world of charms, energy work, and powerful magic.

It is week five in the trial of Larry Milliette, the Navy Optician accused of murdering his wife Maya back in 2021, and hiding her body. Prosecutors say when he found out Maya was planning to leave him Larry tried everything, including spells to keep her. When that didn't work, they say he killed her.

Larry denies murdering his wife, he does not deny buying spells. The jury has already heard how much he spent on them, more than $1,000, and last week they got to hear from one of his favorite spellcasters, Test Joy, a woman with long blonde hair that he met online, who promised to turn his desires into reality. For a feat, except Test Joy was not the person Larry thought she was.

In person, turned out, Test Joy was actually a heavy set, red-headed man named Frank PV. Whether you believe in magic or not, Frank had a story to tell the jury about Larry's state of mind leading up to his wife's disappearance. Here to fill us in is NBC 7 investigative reporter Alexis Rebus.

I Alexis, thanks for being here. It's great to be here. Thanks so much for having me. Before we get into spells and magic, take us back to 2021 when this case began. So 39-year-old Maya Melyette vanished from her home in Chulavista on January 7, 2021.

The last sighting of her was on her neighbor's surveillance camera. She got out of her car and walked into her home, and she shared that home with her husband Larry, and there are three young kids, but there is no footage of her ever leaving that house. The Larry was arrested for Maya's murder nine months after she vanished, and Maya's body

has never been recovered, but prosecutors believe Larry killed his wife because of a relationship

she had with another man, right? So in part, yes, prosecutor say she was having an affair with a co-worker of hers. His name was Jamie Laird, and Maya clearly wanted a divorce. In fact, prosecutor say they think that was really the catalyst to the day that she vanished. As for me, I feel like I can confidently say I have never heard the word magic spellcasters

in a courtroom. What do you make of it? Is this a first for you, too?

“Yes, and I think you know, this is a witness that I don't think anyone is going to forget”

any time soon. So more than a month into the trial, this witness comes to the state of his name as Frank

to his website for spellcasting, he claims to have joined a mystical coven in 1997, it claims

to be a licensed energy's worker. There's no such thing. There's no place in the room. We're not going to let it be. We're going to let it be.

We're just going to get that. Okay.

“And I think also said he got a degree in mysticism from Bryce University.”

Bryce University doesn't exist either. Anyway, he says on the stand that he believes he really can turn your desires into reality using alters, gemstones, and herbs, and the spells. Do I ask what is the going rate for spells these days? Like, what's a werewolf turn versus just, I don't know, I want good luck.

So some of them are around $30, maybe a little less, maybe like $10, but some, you know, the combination of immortality and the ability to fly, for example, I think was 99, 99, they're like $100. Pretty reasonable. Yeah.

I mean, it's a bargain, really. What kind of messages was Larry sending? Initially, they were things about making my and I want to leave, making my a fall. Love with him again. But he did get pretty explicit with some of the requests he wanted of my, you know, to humble

her, in fact, he explicitly asked for several sexual acts. Frank testified that it's not unusual for people to be desperate. They often come to him in a state of desperation and vulnerability. However, he says usually he'd get like two messages a day. Larry would send him 27.

It was just nonstop rapid fire messaging. Let's talk about the defense, right? Because on cross, they didn't get up and say, this is not true.

Larry's never in his life bought a spell, but they did try to say, Frank, maybe we don't

trust right to the jury. Yeah, they definitely poked holes into Frank's credibility and as for the spells themselves,

“I think the main point they drill down in the cross was none of the spells wanted Maya to”

disappear. All of them were about bringing Maya closer. So the defense is saying, you might think this is weird. Maybe you wouldn't do it, but look at what it says, this is a guy who is desperate. And once his wife in his life, not out of it, is that true based on the totality of

the messages that you've seen from Frank/Tesjoy and some of the other quote-unquote spell casters. He was messaging. I think up to five spell casters. So, you know, they start with making her love me.

They go into sex slave and sexual acts and then they turn into punish her. There was some requests in his phone about wanting to have an accident, perhaps, maybe a broken bone. That's really the headline spell requests that the prosecution wants the jury to think about that this is a man asking someone to hurt his wife.

Another big reason I think that the prosecutors go so far into the spell casting evidence is because after Maya vanishes, all of the spell requests about Maya stop. The affair between Maya and her married co-worker, it is kind of at the heart of this case. What do we know about this guy, Jamie Laird?

“So this is the witness I think everyone is waiting to hear from.”

Jamie is someone who worked with Maya, and he was married to a woman who was three months pregnant around the time they started having an affair, according to some of the witnesses we've heard from the prosecution. So far, we just know that Larry had caught Maya in the car with Jamie Laird, and we just found

out that in the third search of the mediante home, when police arrested Larry, they found

abortion paperwork inside of a closet in that home. That's pretty huge, because we had seen some of these spell requests were Larry mentioned that Maya got pregnant, and then maybe it was Jamie's, as she had an abortion, but no medical professionals been able to confirm that on the stands. Do we think Jamie Laird will take the standard as it's still a bit of a question mark?

The prosecution is motivated to do this according to some criminal defense attorneys that I've talked to, because they need to take the sting away from the idea that she had this affair. I need to present that so that the defense doesn't come in and kind of drop it like this bombshell revelation, but a big part of the defense's case was going to be third party

culpability. They asked before the trial even started if they could present evidence showing that Jamie Laird is Maya's killer. And there's a couple things about him that are suspicious that they mentioned in the opening statements.

The anniversary of their affair is the day that Maya vanished. The next day, his wife gave birth. The judge ruled though there wasn't enough for them to bring up any of that evidence in court, but you gotta think they're going to try to ask quite a bit of him during this cross examination.

Lexus Rivas, who will be watching your coverage, thank you for taking the time to talk to us. Thank you so much for having me. Coming up, a controversial defense filing in the case of a murdered college student prompts the prosecutor to make a bold request.

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“It's been almost 14 years since Faith Heads Path, the college student at the University of”

North Carolina, was beaten to death in the bedroom of our off-campus apartment. Next to our body, investigators found a cryptic note, it said, "I'm not stupid, bitch, jealous." It looked like the killing might be personal, and yet when investigators made an arrest nine years later, their suspect, Miguel Sahetto Olivarez, had no known connection to Faith.

He's pleaded not guilty to multiple charges including first-degree murder and rape, and

in a stunning pretrial motion, his defense attorney has raised troubling questions about someone who knew Faith very well, and according to the defense, may have been in the apartment at the time when she was killed, her roommate. The prosecutor has called the motion provocative and a distortion of the truth, and recently asked the judge to seal future pretrial motions from the public.

Here to tell us more, his date line producer, Mike Nardi, Mike, welcome back to the show. Hi, Allison. Thanks for having me. So for people who don't know this case, it is fascinating, and I didn't realize it been going on so long, tell us a little bit about Faith, because like most college students

she was young, full of dreams, and really seemingly working towards a future. Yeah, that's absolutely right. Faith was 19 years old, and she was a biology major who planned on going to med school. She was of indigenous heritage. She was part of the Hallowah-Sopony Native American tribe in North Carolina, and her whole

per dream was to go back to where she had grown up and be a pediatrician in that part of the state. At the time, she was living with her friend, Karina Rosario, while she was waiting for her financial aid package, so she could move into her own apartment. They were sharing a one bedroom apartment at the time.

You mentioned this roommate, Karina. She's the person who found Faith's body, right, and called 911 sometime after 11 a.m. on September 7th, 2012.

“What do we know about the early hours of the investigation?”

When Karina called 911, she told police that she had come home and found Faith unconscious, and that there was blood everywhere. When the paramedics arrived, they saw that faith was dead, and it appeared that she had suffered severe head trauma. She was found on the bed, and there was that note that you talked about.

It was handwritten on a paper bag like that you would get fast food in. I mean, you read the text of it. It's an aggressive note, right? When investigators saw that note, did they immediately think this has been left behind by the killer?

I think considering the circumstances and like you said, the nature of what was written on there, the assumption had to have been that this was connected to the killing that had been left by the killer, perhaps as a warning or as an explanation or justification. Where did investigators think Faith was the day of her murder? What was she doing and was she by herself?

Well, they do know that Faith and her roommate Karina had gone out that night. We gone to a nightclub called The Thrill, Karina told police, they left around 2.15 a.m. and went back to the apartment, Karina said she later called a friend to come pick her up. And then the next morning, Karina said she found Faith when she got back to the apartment.

So how did they ultimately end up connecting Miguel Sahetto, Olivarez to this crime and

charging him? At a press conference announcing his arrest, the attorney general said his DNA matched DNA left at the scene and you know, we're not quite sure how they sort of zeroed in on him.

that he might have been the perpetrator and took his DNA and tested it purposefully to

try and match it.

“What do we know about him and his background?”

Very little. The local paper says he is from Guatemala and he lived in an apartment complex nearby. prosecutors added a burglary charge to the charges of murder and rape and will have to wait to trial to figure out how he allegedly got into the apartment. Earlier this year, Miguel Sahetto Olivarez's attorney James Reinsford, he filed this motion

asking the judge to secure the attendance of that roommate, Karina, at the upcoming trial. The motion calls her a material witness and then lays out why the defense attorney believes she is important to this case. Break down for us what is going on because it seems significant. So in this motion, the defense raises questions about Karina, what she might have seen and

also her story to investigators.

According to the motion, Karina told investigators she was sick when the girls got home from the nightclub and spent an hour or so in the bathroom. What is significant and/or interesting there? So the defense attorney points out that crime scene investigators noticed about a two-inch blood stain in the bathroom, right where Karina told investigators she'd been sitting.

The defense says the stain was in fact fates blood and was a transfer stain. In other words, the type of blood stain that happens when someone, you know, who had blood on their hands and drips off or smears off. So does it seem like the defense is about to make an alternate suspect theory here of some sort and say, hey, we believe Karina had fates blood on her hand and was potentially involved

here? I'm not sure if that's exactly where they're going to go, but they're certainly trying to sort of cloud the water there in terms of whether Karina played a role in it or if she knew about it. But he's asked the judge to allow him to test the swab taken by crime scene investigators

at the scene to see if that lab can identify the DNA of whoever transferred the blood. All of it seems pretty vague, right? Even if it does come back as something that was on Karina's hand, there's still no saying, when the blood got there, right, but there is more, Karina told investigators that a friend picked her up from the apartment that night and in the motion, the defense

alleges that that friend told investigators, he noticed a small smudge of blood on Karina's right finger and the defense goes on to say that investigators processed the car and found a stain that could be blood on the indoor passenger handle. The defense motion includes one more claim about Karina's story that is fairly explosive to take us through that.

Right. So, according to this motion, the medical examiner determined that faith died around 251 AM, Karina and the friend who picked her up said Karina left after 4 AM, so the defense alleges Karina must have been in the apartment when faith was killed. We asked the medical examiner to confirm the estimated time of death, but we haven't gotten

a response yet.

“Has Karina said anything about those specific allegations?”

No, I don't believe Karina has ever spoken publicly about what happened that night.

And she's never been charged in connection to the murder rate?

No, no. Could we see her? Take the stand, what did the judge decide? The judge agreed to issue what's called a certificate to secure attendance, meaning she's been summoned to appear, and while that sounds dramatic, one thing we have to bear in mind

is that Karina does not live in North Carolina. The D.A. interim county has sharply criticized the defense for this motion telling one local newspaper that it contained a "bunch of falsehoods and allegations that were not true." Right. We don't know which allegations she believes are distortions are untrue, but the prosecution

asked the judge to seal pre-trial motions and court orders moving forward, arguing the defense might tank the jury pool with inaccurate incomplete and inadmissible information. Do we think that could happen here? Well, the judge refused the prosecution's motion now, but said he's keeping the door open to revisit the issue.

Given it has been so many years since Faith died, and we're talking 14 years now, the trial is coming up in September. Do we know how her family is doing?

“Well, I mean, the family's coping, which I think is all you can really expect.”

They're ready for trial. They're hoping for answers, and they want justice for faith. Thank you so much for bringing us up to speed on this case. We appreciate it. Thanks for having me.

Up next, it's time for "Date Line Roundup." Emotions run high at the sentencing of Tracy Grist, the Utah mother who plotted to murder her son-in-law, and the sentencing of the Gilgogi serial killer Rex Huerman. Plus, what happens when a carer becomes a crime scene? A crime scene investigator gives us the load-out.

Welcome back, joining me for this week's Roundup is "Date Line Booking Producer, Caitlyn

Caitlyn, thank you for being here. Thank you for having me.

For our first story, we're heading to Suffolk County for the sentencing of the Gilgogi

serial killer. It is a case that started in 2010 when police were searching for a missing woman along a remote stretch of coastline, and then discovered human remains. Then another set, and another, and another, 11 in all. One of the victims, their bodies were wrapped in burlap.

Some of them were dismembered. Many of the victims were sex workers when they were killed. His past April, Rex Huerman, a husband, father, and architect from Long Island, played guilty to murdering seven of the women, and then admitted responsibility for an eighth. On Wednesday morning, Huerman was back in court for sentencing.

“Caitlyn set the scene for us, what was it like in court?”

Well, as you know, this is such a huge case. Our NDC team was there. The courtroom was packed with spectators and family members of the women that Rex has been convicted of killing. Just a lot of emotions, you know, in the courtroom from the very start. Yeah, I can imagine for so many of these families, they have been desperately looking for

answers per so long. When Huerman admitted and pled guilty back in April, people in the courtroom said that he showed no emotion at the time. There's video where you can see him kind of walking in with what looks like a smirk. What was he like this time?

He walked in emotionless. He was wearing a suit with a blue shirt and a yellow tie. His handcuffs were taken off as he sat next to his attorneys. Who in terms of families of the victims spoke today? You know, first of all, let's start by reading the names of the victims that Rex was

convicted of killing. Melissa Bartholomee, Megan Waterman, Amber Lynn Costello, Marine Brainard Barnes, Sandra Castilla, Jessica Taylor, and Valerie Mack. There's also Karen Vergata.

Huerman was never charged with her death, but he did take responsibility.

Now, there was a victim statement entered for each of these women, but not everyone was physically there in the room. Valerie Mack's family, including her parents, they were there, right, and had some very strong words for their daughter's killer. What you have done to our family is beyond what words can express even if just this done.

It cannot replace what you have taken from us. And her son also shared what was on his heart, and you could hear the pain in his voice.

“I think about her son a lot, because I remember reading this article.”

It was from a British publication. I think it was the observer, but he talked about the last time he saw his mom when he was six years old and said they played video games together the night before and had a sleep over she'd left in the morning and how he spent his whole life thinking his mother had abandoned him and then found out when he was much older the truth that she had never left

in the way that he thought. For these families, all of them, there are so many layers to what has happened to them, the pain they have felt over the years. "Is there anything you wish to say before I pronounce sense?" "I'm standing up."

One of the biggest moments it came when Rax, Heurman, actually spoke himself. "There are no words I could be saying. I'm responsible for what was said in this room today. The words I would say have no meaning and I'm going to be like, "Yeah, that's not."

So what was Rax Heurman ultimately sentenced to?

Judge Timothy Massey sentenced him to three counts of life without parole and he had his own sharp words for him. "I know that you saw that it got caught. I assume that you saw it for what you've done to your wife and children.

“Are you a little bit sorry for what you did to these poor innocent women?”

I hate women that are strangle to death, at least eight that we know of, or at least a little bit sorry for that? Yes? "Yes, I know." You know what?

You've been described as a very big man, but you're a disgusting and despicable small man if you're a man at all and you're a coward." Well, this case is one that is clearly touched, everyone involved. Rax Heurman had deprovo Utah where there was another sentencing. This one for Tracy Grist.

She was sentenced for her role in the 2024 murder of her son-in-law, Matthew Rastelli. Gailin three family members were ultimately convicted in connection with this murder plot, but at her sentencing, the judge singled out Tracy. "You were clearly the mastermind and a plot that led to your son-in-law's death. A man who simply thought he was coming to Utah to pick up his wife and children."

And he had a lot more to say, but before we get to that, remind us what happened in this case. OK, so back in July of 2024, Matthew Rastelli arrived as mother-in-law's home, just minutes later he was shot and killed. Now, at the time, Tracy told investigators that Matt had entered the house unannounced and that her son Kevin Ellis shot him in self-defense.

But investigators were they quickly learning things that they felt did not match with that story.

that Matthew had been lured to the house by his wife Kate, and intentionally murdered.

“And what did prosecutors give as the motive?”

Essentially, this is a custody story. Matt and Kate shared two children, but their marriage was falling apart. So she took the children to her mother, Tracy's home, in Utah, where, according to prosecutors, Tracy came up with the idea to lure Matt to the home and ambush him. So Kate pleaded guilty to her part in all of this.

And she testified against her brother as well as her mom when they were on trial. Her brother Kevin Ellis was convicted of several charges, including murder. He was sentenced earlier this year, so that brings us to Tracy. Exactly. Tracy was convicted in April of murder and conspiracy to commit murder. Her sentencing happened a few days ago in Matthew's younger brother, Jonathan.

Got very emotional when he was talking about what his family lost when Matthew was killed. And then he addressed Tracy directly. The grandmother's supposed to protect their grandchildren, Tracy. You destroyed your grandchildren's potential future. And he wasn't the only one who had strong words for Tracy, the judge did too.

In the court's view, you're incredibly dangerous in your character and action show that any re-evalid Tated needs are overcome by your willingness to kill simply for you or your children's convenience.

Judge Roger Griffin's ultimately sentenced her to 15 years to life on the murder charge

plus additional prison time for conspiracy and two counts of domestic violence in the presence of a child. The judge ordered all of those sentences to run consecutively. Just disturbing and devastating case all around. Caitlin, thank you so much for all of these updates.

No problem. Thank you for having me. There are so many ways a car can be relevant to a murder investigation. It's come up in a few high-profile cases of late the case of a high-o-teen Mackenzie Sharilla, who was convicted of murdering her boyfriend Dominic Russo and a friend, 19-year-old Davian Flanagan.

Both were passengers in Mackenzie's car when prosecutors say she drove 100 miles an hour into a brick wall killing both of them.

Karen Reed, many people know, was acquitted her second trial last year after she was accused

of running over her police officer boyfriend John O'Keefe and leaving him to die in the snow. It got us thinking about cars and crime. It could be the actual crime scene, the murder weapon, or even a witness, right? So how do crime scene investigators process a car that is involved in a suspicious death? And what kind of clues can a car offer up to crack a murder?

Dr. Mike McCutchen is a former detective sergeant with over 21 years of experience in crime scene investigation, and estimates he's processed hundreds of cars. He's here now to tell us how he does it. Dr. McCutchen, welcome to the show. Thanks for joining us.

Hey, thank you for having me, I'm glad to be here. For you as a veteran crime scene investigator, how do you describe the "Burt" of forensically processing a car can it make a break of case?

“Absolutely, you have to think of a vehicle.”

It's just another piece of evidence. So there's three things you're going to look at, the outside of the car, the inside of the car, and then the telematics. That is, I'll say, your navigation type systems. That's telling you when the car started, when it stopped those type of things.

What are some of the unique things that you're looking for when you're processing just the outside of the car? Like, I think about in cases where people are describing so specifically, like, we know this tire mark was made by this tire company, it's with this sort of tread. So now you're getting me excited because I love tire tread.

Like, I'm getting goosebumps out. It's the individual characteristics that you're going to look for. If there are rocks stuck in the tire tread, their rips or tears, or maybe there's a flat repair or something like that, that's going to make that tire unique.

“That's what's going to tie that tire to that tire tread pattern that we saw at a crime scene.”

When you're looking for fingerprints, where are the most common spaces that you tend to find those? So on the outside of the car, of course you're going to look at the door handle, but also you want to look at how people shut their doors. Like, most people, when you open the door, they kind of slap it shut. And so they're touching, we'll say, like, in the middle of the window, kind of shutting the door on that way. And then on the inside of the car, steering wheel,

radio, any of those things that they might touch now. It's really great. A lot of vehicles have touch

screens, which are fantastic. It's basically saying leave your fingerprints here. And then we,

as a society, eat and drink and live in our cars. So I look for any garbage that is left behind in a car. I may look for fingerprints. But I may look for DNA because people leave their coffee cups, straws, food, wrappers, receipts, receipts are fantastic. I can use that, compare it with the telematics that I got from where the vehicle is. And now I'm locking all these pieces in. So now I've

trying to gather clues from where maybe a body was transported in that car. I find it fascinating

in part because we have an episode coming up next week on a ledge. They were looking into the case and the allegations against David, the singer who is now been accused of killing a 14-year-old girl named Celeste Davis Hernandez. He's pleaded not guilty to multiple charges. When police found her body in the front truck of a Tesla, they knew within days of finding it that this car was registered to David. But it took about seven months for them to make an arrest. And based on what we know

in terms of the allegations against him, that car was not where she was killed. So it's a secondary

“scene, right? What kind of clues do you have to look for to kind of backtrack to try and determine”

the original crime scene when you start in a car? If someone was killed in a car,

and depending on their wounds, there's going to be a lot of DNA in blood stains that you would be able to find very easily. If you're using a used blue star, but essentially luminal to find blood that has been cleaned up. If you think that that is the secondary scene, we'll go back to using those vehicle telematics in the navigation and things like that. Now that can get real time consuming, because if I say that that car was charged at a particular gas station, well now I

have to go to that gas station, try to find a video of that car pulling in. Who's in that video? Well, now I have to try to identify those people. So it can be quite time consuming to match up

“your digital forensics with your physical evidence that you're going to try to confirm”

what the digital evidence tells you. When you think back on your career, is there a specific case where you're like, I found something and I had a moment where I thought, whoa, I didn't expect to find that or to find that there? Yes, so I was investigating a case where an ex-boyfriend was trying to blow up his ex-girlfriend's house. He used cloth inside apple juice jars of gasoline that he lit on fire. And they found a sock in his clothes in the back that was the same

sock that was partially burned in one of the apple juice jars. Now I can match the fibers from the sock to say, yes, this is the same sock or the same material. And finding that sock was fantastic, you know? You don't know what you're looking for sometimes until it pops up and then you're like, this is fantastic. Wow, this has been such a fascinating conversation, Dr. Mike McCutchen. Thank you so much for joining us. We really appreciate it. Yeah, anytime, thanks for

having me. That's it for this episode of "Dateline True Crime Weekly." But before you go, let me tell you about my colleague Keith Morrison's new podcast series, Five Miles From Home. It's about the murder of 16-year-old track star Mickey Costanza. And when you listen, it brings back all kinds of memories about high school, the friendships, the romance, the drama, that's the life Mickey was

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