The Bluegrass Mystery

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And you don't know how to help her. We knew Ella disappeared. She searched the house. What do you find? Her car is still there.

And most importantly, her phone. You know something happened. She was not going to leave her son. Officers talk to Ella's husband Glenn.

A spouse is the first place police are going to look.

But Ella also has an ex husband. Right. They were still really close. You find out his previous wife was murder. Does that just kind of stop you in your tracks? Sure, it's enough to raise our eyebrows.

They find Ella's diary. It's kind of hidden. She wrote how scared she was. And then the phone recordings. I'm done.

I'm done with you. You're a monster. I was terrified. Any day might be her last. A phone.

A diary. Secret recordings. All clues she left behind. Could a missing mom help solve her own mystery? On last her hold.

And this is day blind. Here is Blaine Alexander with The Bluegrass Mystery. Ella was my mom. And to me, she was perfect. She loved me.

She cared for me. She made me feel safe, happy who loved. It's a beautiful storm.

“It was the only thing Alex Jackson could give his mother.”

His words, loving memories, captured on tape. My mom's there for peace. She deserves safety. She deserves to live without fear.

The depth of that fear will likely never know.

But we do know that on October 20, 2019, Ella Jackson vanished from her home in Richmond, Kentucky. I'm just passing and I'm just passing and I hope you. Hi, my name is Glenn Jackson. This is not an emergency.

The first sign of trouble came when Ella's husband Glenn called 911. He said his wife of seven years left a day earlier, while he was at the dog park with their five-year-old son, Alex. Okay, is the child with you? Yes, yes.

He's fine, everything's great. I don't personally think anything is wrong. But I heard on the show a while back that you don't wait for four days to report something missing. What?

I can't remember before. Yes, and sometimes for weeks, but it's no longer considered. The detective Jason Friend is with the Richmond Police Department. Glenn made it very clear that she wasn't missing

that she just left, which that in and of itself isn't a crime and that's not a cause for an investigation. And so from that, really nothing happens. Right. That is until the next day,

when they got another 911 call. Hi, I need help. Well, I'm going out with her. Um, I last heard anything from her on Sunday. The call was from Phillip Hans,

Alice 29-year-old son from another marriage.

“I can't remember, I meant to get to her.”

She didn't like to, but she's very weird. I thought to know everything, I just went to know that she's okay. She's even there. This time, dispatch sent officer Walker Craig's and his partner to lend it Alice home.

So when I first got here, it was just like this.

This door door was closed, but the main door was open. We're knocking now and we do a sweep of the residents.

So they did some basic background checks on the couple. Glenn was a respected English lecturer at a nearby college. Everybody's familiar with him. Especially people that are local. Especially people that go to Eastern Kentucky University.

They learned Ella was Russian and had immigrated from Ukraine to the US about 15 years earlier. From what we had learned, she has no family here. She is not from here. So at this point in time, we have Miss Jackson is gone.

No one knows where she's at. The officers later found Glenn back at the home. The couple's young son, Alex, was playing outside. Glenn said he was now getting concerned.

When his wife had left before, she had always checked in by this point.

In the fact that she didn't even call the elevator. Didn't respond to my texts. By lessage, more eventually in my email. And that's happened before but on it for a few hours. Glenn added that on the day she left,

he overheard her on a lengthy Skype call with someone overseas. She was speaking Russian, but he did make out a few words in English. That's the only words I could make out on the phone. Were Uber, Lyft, airport, passport, and no-tell six. Police also called Ella's adult son Philip and asked him to come to the house.

But to wait at the top of the driveway. After he arrived, Officer Grace tried to reassure him.

“"I honestly feel like there's nothing fail."”

But Philip said he was worried and confused after trying to reach his mom when all of a sudden her phone appeared to be back online. And I was calling it all day today that was off. And she was not receiving messages on Facebook until suddenly around 630 p.m. Her phone turned on. It started ringing.

There was no answer. Philip hadn't arrived alone. He brought along a man named Jason Hans, Ella's ex-husband. Many times she has contacted me when something happens. Something she was feeling upset, unsafe, needing someone to talk to. Investigators felt something wasn't right, but couldn't put a finger on it, not yet.

So a lot of circumstantial things, nothing to say anybody's guilty, but definitely something to tell us. She was going on here. All three men were brought to the station for further questioning. Philip was on your radar.

Everybody was on our radar. What is this?

“When you've learned that detail about Ella's ex-husband, what did you think?”

I thought, oh man, that's not good. Especially when I learned exactly what took place around it, her murder. Now, police would zero in on Ella's inner circle. Everything okay, any of the reason why you're on your knees right now? No, I'm a teacher, so I get down to talk to students.

Richmond, Kentucky. Population about 40,000 is nestled among the rolling hills of the bluegrass state. Here, the bourbon is strong, and horse farms are king.

Where people who've never been here, what is this community like?

Richmond, I call it one of the smallest big town you'll ever be in. It's got the small town feel where everybody knows everything that's going on. Rodney Richardson is the police chief. Ella Jackson was missing, but so far there were no signs of a crime. Still, investigators wanted to know more about three men in her life.

Her ex, her son, and her husband Glenn. What do you come to learn about Glenn, just his standing in the community? He was teaching college kids, just been the average husband in a quiet little community, whose wife had walked away.

“And that's what Glenn told investigators.”

What do you think, officer? Where do you think she's at? I don't know. I'm going to get her mother, it's my best guess, because it's the legs of send ice on time. He said after overhearing Ella's Skype call, he thought she might have gone to meet her mother, possibly in Russia.

Glenn told police he cared about his wife and wanted her home soon. He waited forever to get married, you know, wait till late in life, and we're together five years before we get married.

And I've just always been horribly serious about marriage.

They just always seem absolutely happy and as full of, you know, love and seem like a wonderful couple.

He kind of had all the, all the checks, you know, as far as being a good neighbor, being somebody that you could rely on. It just provides us like a warmth and just a sense of belonging and connection. Dana Caproni was one of Ella's best friends.

Do you remember what she first told you about him?

You know, she's falling for him. He's kind of, you know, as a professor. Did she seem excited about him? Yeah, I think she was giddy. And these home videos captured that giddyness.

That's Ella, laughing off camera with baby Alex and Glenn, a seemingly perfect family picture. Jolind Stevenson says she and Ella evolved from neighbors to confidence. What was your first impression of Ella? Soft spoken. Very easy to smile.

She had comfort about her, like, you know, good old southern cook in her, something. She wasn't nice. I feel like there's a difference between nice and kind.

“Nice is very surface level, but she would go, how are you?”

And she would wait for that real answer.

She really wanted to know. She wanted to know. She cared. Right. In fact, Ella was a friend to many, including her ex-husband Jason.

They met in 2003 when he was traveling in Ukraine where Ella was living after a recent divorce. And she's like, the most intelligent woman I've ever met. That's something that really stood out to you. Yeah, absolutely. Jason and Ella got married and moved to the US with her young son Philip.

Jason was a professor at the University of Kentucky. Their marriage ended after five years. He said they just couldn't make it work. To have two people who are married go through divorce, but then still remain very close, very present in each other's lives, close friends, you don't see that very often.

No. I didn't want to be married to her, but I still loved her.

“Jason had remarried, but was he still in love with Ella?”

That's something Glenn wondered too. Have you ever questioned that she might be doing something that would be adultery wise as far as your guy's relationship? Yeah. When we were outside the house at night.

I do know you guys were pretty tough. What I can get you all very close. The police officer asked me knowing our past and our relationship and that we remain close. And so on. And he's like, you know, sometimes couples who break up, they get back together for

flings or whatever. You know, she might have ran all the way up for her. No. She's how to say she. You can tell me Harry got to tell me.

I don't know. I'm just, you know, she, that's not her character.

Well, the officer never directly asked Jason if he was sleeping with Ella.

Jason understood what he meant.

“You know, were you guys sort of fooling around, what's going on here?”

And you can kind of see in his questioning that. Like he's thinking like, where you up to. Yeah. That was only the beginning of the questions police had for Ella's ex. Especially after they discovered something about his first wife.

You talked to her ex husband and find out that his previous wife was murdered. In a case that is still unsolved. I mean, does that just kind of stop you in your tracks? Sure. It's enough to raise our eyebrows.

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“People are reported in mission every day, and people come back,”

or they may contact with a family member, so then we know what happened to them. But that hadn't happened with Ella Jackson. At some point is this shift to maybe she ran away to maybe something was done to her.

Yeah, I think it does, I think. We have a mother that left a child behind. Her car that was still there with her purse still in it. Car keys were still there. They had asked Glenn about that.

How would she leave the fur car? Is it the hashtil?

Well, I always said that she did pick up,

which she has done before. Who's picking her out? She says that she calls Uber. I never noticed a deal from an out or anything, but she talked about it.

And there was something else. Ella hadn't taken her phone with her. Glenn said he found it the day after she went missing and turned it over to police. I mean, this day in age,

almost everybody will work connected with her phone, most of us wouldn't leave our phone behind. Didn't go five feet without taking your phone with you. 48 year old Ella Jackson has been missing since Sunday afternoon. Police had added Ella to the missing person's database

and after five days with no sign of her, Chief Richardson decided it was time to ask the public for help. We're concerned, we're deeply concerned. But like I said,

we're going to eventually find out what happened in this Jackson.

In those first days, what message were you trying to get across? We're looking for any information that anybody has. As the search for Ella grew, even Glenn called the police tip line.

I'm worried about the missing postures that I just saw from my life. You know what, Jackson? Uh-huh. He'd spotted something wrong.

The problem is, one of the two pictures is not my life. It's good to see someone else in her family. And I'm worried that that is not going to help locate her. Family and friends,

we're doing everything they could to find out what happened to Ella. We went to the places where we had known. You know that we had gone to her with. We went to the park.

We had gone to the libraries.

No luck. Detectives considered every lead, including one more than 500 miles away. It happened 17 years earlier. A young woman was shot and killed walking home from a metro station

in Prince George's County, Maryland. When something like this happens

“in the community, does it just kind of strike a sense of fear?”

It is very scary because Prince George's County is a pretty safe place. County executive, Aisha Braveboy, oversees the police department in charge of the case. I think it's just the randomness of it.

A young woman to have her dreams cut short because of a gunshot. Sergeant Greg McDonald worked the case. Where was she found her? Her body was found lying on the roadway right here.

She made it to this point here. She was um, failing shot. She had left right here. Left right here. It appears to see the sea of coming.

Police found her clutching a can of mace, but no signs of a struggle. How far do you think that the shooter was? Six feet minimum? Was this somebody who was almost lying and wait for her?

Maybe. Possibly. A day planner, credit cards, and work ID were all still in her backpack.

“That's how police were able to identify her”

as 26 year old Arena Hans. She was the wife of a young professor, Jason Hans. At two in the morning, two police officers knocked on and she said, "You came for Fessor Jason Hans's door." I was pretty much.

I was a mess. If we catch the person or persons that did that, we'll give me satisfaction, no. When you learned that detail about Ella's ex-husband, what did you think?

I thought, "Oh, man, that's not good. You still got an unsolved murder of a wife, and then we have a wife that's missing, who's still really close with the ex-husband." After some tap-during where she left,

this school made tough. And now, here he was again, two decades later, talking to police about his ex-wife, who'd gone missing. I've got to keep an open mind as in. She's late.

Right? That's, and I know that there's a lot of stuff that keeps me wanting to go down that trail very far. I've tried to do it on that. Yes, there are things that don't allow it.

Jason said he only wanted to help the investigation. Is there anything we can do more in? You know, it's not comfortable to sit at home and not do anything at this point? I know.

Meanwhile, police turned to someone else close to Ella, her son.

I think he's definitely somebody that we would want to look into. Say it here? Yeah, bigus. What was it about Phillip that made you say? Let's take a closer look.

“I think Kim just being as close to his mother as he was”

and that he used to live there and now he's not. Where did you move out? A couple months back. But we also come back. I mean, I've got to come back and stay a couple

three weeks, not too long. I'm going to be three weeks to go or something like that. Could there have possibly been some bad blood that made him leave the house or any number of questions? Did Ella ask him to leave?

Yeah. Was he there too long? Did he overstay his welcome? I was actually planning to move back in this Sunday when the one someone spoke to her was.

The three men were getting investigators a lot to ponder. And ex-husband with a past, a son who couldn't pull away and the husband who would keep drawing attention to himself. What's wrong with? Okay.

Is everything okay with you? [Music]

“After more than a week with no word from Ella,”

police concluded she must have been the victim of foul play but they didn't know what happened or who was responsible. Initially, yeah. Everybody was on her radar. That included Ella's son Philip.

But he insisted he had a great relationship with his mom. And he knew she would never leave her young son Alex. I know something happened this time. I've been crying all day and I'm trying to keep. I understand I understand I was literally.

Both Philip and Ella's ex-husband Jason said they were with other people in another town when Ella went missing and those alibas checked out. Jason also said he did not have an affair with Ella. Detective friend found no evidence that he did.

And also learned Jason was never a suspect in his first wife's murder.

We were able to substantiate all of it. So you talked to Jason. You talked to Philip. You cleared them both. Yes.

That's right. Philip was adamant that they needed to take a second look at his mother's current husband, Glenn. She's called the numerous times that if she ever goes missing. That she would never, ever, ever do that. She would never just take off and that it's not an accident.

And you can like that happens. That it's hair, a heart of pursuit. The detective was ready to take that second look. Glenn's a very smart guy. And you kind of get the sense when you talk to Glenn that he thinks he's the smartest guy in the room.

Nine days after Ella went missing, police got a search warrant and collected evidence from Glenn's house and his car. And detective friend brought him to the station for another chat. Even though we brought you up here, you know, you can, you can leave in any time you want to. Glenn didn't leave.

In fact, he stayed in that tiny room for more than six hours. He definitely likes to talk. The way he would pontificate, it almost felt like a verbal judo match. He wanted to be the smartest one in the room. Did you kind of lean into that a little bit?

Sure. Yeah. I even call it my Columbus. Columbus, the famous detective, he would give the impression that he was not very smart, that he was a dollar. You've read too many mystery stories, Columbus.

Oh no, sir, I never read him.

I cried. Can't figure him out. And that was this detective strategy. Let Glenn be the smart one and do all the talking. When they have that boost of confidence,

then they're more likely to say things that they probably shouldn't say. Friend focused on the day, Alan went missing. I would ask him a very straightforward question.

“I would say Glenn, what were you wearing on October 20, 2019?”

And he would say, well, the homeless never put jeans on anymore. At all, hard boots. I've just got a whole lot of clothes that looked just like this. Because you can't remember exactly what color shirt everything like that. I had very recently found my green flannel,

but I don't think I had that on. Not only had he not answered the question, but we ended up on a completely different topic of conversation.

And never has he told you what he was wearing that day.

Glenn said he went to a dog park that Sunday and when he got home, Alan was gone. What route did you guys take you to the dog park? Glenn launched into a long detour, talking about a police officer he met at the park.

He sent an English class with a guy that went into the park. And he said, is my former office mate. And the reason that that's especially ridiculous is that he was the guy that cleaned. That part of the building.

And you're just sitting back letting him do all of this.

I was letting him talk. He's giving you a dissertation. Yeah, he would fear off the conversation. It was just, it was weird. It was a quirky interview, but useful,

and created a detailed record to investigate. And a lot of what Glenn described, did check out. We drove to the dog park. Oh, and it's two minutes away or something. Surveillance cameras confirmed Glenn was at the dog park that Sunday.

“That was important for the investigation,”

but the rest of what Glenn said about that visit and his dog just felt like too much. You didn't been part as neat dog park, sure. Well, we got this neat dog by almost running over. One thing was clear after Detective Friends marathon conversation.

Glenn's behavior was odd, but odd isn't a crime. And Glenn was sticking to his story that he had nothing to do with Alice disappearance. What could have happened to her? I just don't know. I just don't know.

Investigators were stuck, too.

A waiting result from the crime lab on that evidence taken during the search. And that's where things stood when a call came in to the Richmond PD that seemed to have nothing to do with the case. We get a call for a suspicious mail that is approaching females at the park and the females thought it was creepy, so they called 911.

That guy turned out to be Glenn. An officer's body camera captured the scene. Glenn was going on. Glenn was going on today. Another camera's mobile.

I don't want to shake hands, sir. He was aggressively and insistently trying to flirt with females at the dog park. Heading on women when your wife is missing. What was going on? What's wrong?

Is everything okay with you? I'm okay. Any of the reasons why you're on your knees right now? No, I'm a teacher, so I get down to talk to students. Really?

Dropping to your knees might make sense for a kindergarten teacher. Glenn taught college students. You completely crumbles. He falls to his knees. He goes, "Yeah, I normally do this."

The officer said, "What? What are you talking about?" I mean, since I've gone here, the most odd thing is you get down on your knees. I'm a teacher and they're down there. I'm tall, they're in a chair.

“Okay, I'm shorter than you, but I don't feel like you need to get me on your knees too.”

No, you're... I address me with anything, right? Sir, thank you. I'll do a fist bump. How's that?

This is very, very bizarre. What's wrong? Glenn denied harassing anyone and wasn't arrested. But his interaction with the officer was bizarre and suspicious. Still, the tech-different needed more than suspicions

to prove Glenn had something to do with Ella's disappearance. And he would get much more in a most unusual way from Ella herself. She had a secret recorder app on her phone. You're a monster. I'm done.

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“Everything okay, any of the reasons why you're on your knees right now?”

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“There is about 70 or 75 different recordings on that app.”

And most of them were arguments that she had had with Glenn. Wow. And one of the arguments Ella accused Glenn of having a trist at a hotel. You ended up weighing then, having the dinner, and then checking into the hotel with the woman.

I will divorce you. I want you to be truthful. I won't divorce you. I will actually divorce you. So you hear this.

I mean immediately, you're thinking, OK, I've caught him in a lie. Absolutely. Yep, point number one. He was very specific to tell me that their marriage was great. Dozens of conversations recorded over several months.

Clearly showed not only was this marriage not great. It was downright toxic. You're a mean, yes, you're a monster. You are destroying me physically and mentally, every single day. You just injured me.

I have bruises. Another piece of evidence, Ella's fit bit, found at the house.

“It recorded, among other things, her heart rate on the day she went missing.”

Six, 15 p.m. that evening on Sunday, she had a brief and sudden heart rate spike. After a few minutes of a high heart rate, the biometric data went blank. It stopped. What does that show?

Well, you can interpret that as Ella taking off her fit bit. Another way you can interpret that loss of biometric data is she didn't have a heart rate. That heart stopped. Her heart stopped.

Glenn said he was at the dog park at 16 that evening. Detective friend wasn't buying it. We knew that was a lie because I had gotten surveillance from around the neighborhood showing when he actually went to the dog park. Glenn was at the house at that time.

Detective friend had built a circumstantial case, but he still didn't have news from the crime lab about evidence taken months earlier during the search of Glenn's house and car. So he waited and waited. You all were sitting on waiting on pins and needles for this to come back.

That had to have felt like an eternity. It was. It did. It was a long time. Six months after Ella disappeared,

the detective called Glenn in for another interview. It was different than the original six hour long interview. Different tone. Different tone. It was more confrontational.

The Colombo act is over. Because up until this point, I wanted him to believe I was just this bumbling idiot of a detective.

He had never talked to the real detective friend before.

And he met you that day. He met me that day. And she said, and she's not coming back. I won't go to see it. Yes, you do, Glenn.

“The detective told Glenn about Ella's secret recordings.”

Turn my little laptop around. Well, let's listen to him, Glenn. You brought out the receipt. I brought the receipts. That's right.

You're a mean. Yes, you're a monster. He's getting me to believe. Oh, she was just joking. That was just a joke. She met him in just like you really diagnosed her in her heart. That intellectual karate match.

He still thinks he can outwit me. So every time that he tries to lie or manipulate, I cut him off and say, no, Glenn. No, no, I'm not going to let you do that. Stop. Stop.

I left with it. Stop it. We are so far beyond you trying to lie anymore. I said that to him. I know that you're responsible for your life stuff.

Friend repeatedly pushed Glenn to confess to tell the truth for his son Alex's sake. Are you going to let him go throughout his entire life

“without knowing the truth about what happened to his mother?”

This is the time where you tell me the truth with what actually happened to Ella. Friend pushed for hours, but there was no confession at least not to him. He says, I bet you didn't think I was at evil.

What did you say? I just kind of as flabbergasted and just kind of in shock. The interview was tense. Come that of. Detective friend already had Glenn on the defensive.

Then the detective hit him with a piece of evidence from the crime lab report that had just come in. And it was a game changer. I know there was bloodshed. I know there was bloodshed.

What? Ellish and her blood, because we found the blood. Friend spelled it all out in detail.

“DNA testing showed Ella's blood was in the trunk of Glenn's car”

and someone had tried to clean it up with bleach. So we know 100%. That was out of blood. And you know what I did. There was a struggle.

We know that there was bloodshed. But there was, there was, there was Glenn.

But I've never heard anyone physically.

It's not Glenn. It's enough. We're done. What are you thinking in that moment? I'm thinking that it's time that he's arrested.

Did you get up? Did you get up? Did you get up? You are being arrested. And you will be transported to that account of detention.

That's going to happen. Glenn Jackson was charged with murder. Even though Ella's body had never been found. That could have been a problem for prosecutors. But just four days after Glenn's arrest,

a group of mushroom hunters stumbled upon human remains in a forest. About an hour from Glenn's home. A dental records confirmed it was Ella. The not knowing you think in the moment is the worst pain. Because even in the waiting, you could still help.

You had her. There was still hope. And now that's gone.

And now there's just this deep sadness that just never leaves.

When Glenn's friend Joe Ham learned Ella's body had been found, it forced him to reckon with a shocking conversation he'd had with Glenn. It happened months earlier, Joe and his daughter were visiting Glenn and Alex. The kids were inside playing when Glenn pulled Joe aside.

He just looks at me and just point blanks says that I, I think, killed her. I bet you didn't think I was that evil. He says this to you. Yeah, I just kind of was fiberglass and just kind of in shock.

After he told you, I mean, there were months that went by before he was arrested. Why didn't you call an investigator? Because she was still technically missing. And I didn't know if he was just having like some kind of complex, you know, post-traumatic stress disorder from his wife missing.

You know, I mean, so if this was a real confession or not. Yeah, that's exactly right. After pleading that guilty, Glenn was released on bond. He then spent more than five years under house arrest awaiting trial. Ellis friend Dana couldn't believe it.

I don't understand it. Someone needs to start asking questions on that one.

“Why do you think that he was able to spend so much time on house arrest?”

I think he was afforded a really good lawyer. All right, I'm warning everybody. Then, just days before his trial was set to begin, Jackson took an Alfred plea. Acknowledging there was enough evidence to convict him, but not admitting guilt.

Detective friend was outraged. Either take it to trial and let him be acquitted or convicted. But having this red tape loophole, oh, I'll plead kind of guilty. But I'm not going to admit to anything. I mean, that's that's ludicrous.

What is happening here is not truly justice for others. To guarantee Glenn didn't walk free, the prosecutor said she agreed to the deal for one person. Alex. I think it is the one thing that Ella would have wanted most of all.

And that is that Alexander would never be subject to Mr. Jackson again.

I'll return her in for a 14-year-dual sentence. 14 years with credit for time served, Glenn could be out as early as 2032. He and his attorney declined our request for an interview.

He's getting a very lenient sentence for never expressing remorse, never admitting what he did.

In fact, lying for years about what he did because he was comfortable sitting at home, it's frustrating.

“Is it hard for you coming here, knowing the housework, Glenn, Ella and their son Alex lived and become run down and overgrown?”

Jason told us how much it meant to Ella. When she first moved in here, she was sending me pictures and she just loved it. She loved the trees and nature of the yard. I'm so struck just looking around here, I see shadows of a sweet childhood for Alex. With playplace, equipment over there where he could have fun as a kid.

Alex, after his father was arrested, it wasn't clear what would happen to him.

That's when Jason turned to his wife, Natalia. We were thinking more about Alex, like what he's going to go. Having no children of their own, they decided to take Alex in until they could find a permanent home. He came to us so calm. Perfect.

Respectful, intelligent.

“And that's when a bright light suddenly filled a black hole.”

When he came to our house, the following law was him. The couple is adopting Alex. Now 12 years old in a top student. He asked us not to show what he looks like today, but he did want to share one of the only keepsakes he has from his mom, her favorite necklace. My mom mattered. Her life mattered.

Back when his dad was sentenced, Alex decided not to go to the hearing. Instead, he sent this recording that was played in court. I'd only been in kindergarten for two months or my mom was murdered. She disappeared, I did not understand what happened.

“I didn't know my mom had been taken for me forever.”

What do you want him to know about his mom? I don't have to know how much she loved him. How much happiness I saw in her after he was born. She should've been here to wash me and grew up. She should've been here from a childhood.

My teenage years, to my future. And that's all for this edition of Date Line. Don't forget to check out our Talking Date Line podcast, in which we'll go behind the scenes of tonight's episode. Available Wednesday in the Date Line feed, wherever you get your podcasts.

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