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spinning that incredibly detailed lie about how we went through Jeffrey Epstein's apartment.

It had constant contact with Jeffrey Epstein including asking to go to his island. The easiest way to have your career to story was to speak out against Israel. Seeing these people as heroes who come home to heroes, welcomes and things like that because they're concerned that we'll

“incentivize people. That's what they want to do with Huckrich.”

Okay guys got Glenn on today coming in halfway across the world. How's it going Glenn? Doing great. Thank you for having me. You haven't watching your your podrong going on Tucker, Julian Dora. You've been going viral lately, man. Congrats. I am. Lots of talk about a little bit bad, but let's talk about it. Yeah, Pam got fired. I think yesterday, now they're saying potentially cash per tell. What do you think about that?

You know, I know really like to critique public officials on the basis of intellect, but I do have to say that I think the last two cabinet officials that Trump fired were by far as too dumb as Christy Nome and Pam Bondi. I really think that's one of the problems that she had. Also think that Trump has a lot of demands for Pam Bondi that aren't really attainable within just our traditions of justice and the way in which the courts work and the legal

system works and and he felt frustrated by the fact that she wasn't able to successfully invite his James and James Kome and people of that strain and I guess he thinks that if you put somebody in there who's both smarter slash more competent and we're aggressive, he'll be able to have better results. Yeah, yeah, I know the cash stuff is going pretty viral. His email got hacked. Some things got leaked and now they're saying you might get fired. Did you see his some of those

leaked emails from him? I haven't seen leaked emails, but I definitely have been hearing for a couple of months that that Trump is particularly frustrated with both cash potential as well as Howard Lottnik. You know what Trump really dislikes are losers at the end of the day. I mean, and if you are looking as though you're a loser in the eyes of the public or the eyes of the

“media or even Trump, that is pretty much the worst thing you can possibly be. And I think cash”

tal is on many occasions like that. Haven't seen these new emails. And which just by going to it's happened to be right next door to his and he and his wife, you know, 15 years ago got so disgusted

by what they saw that they ran out and swore they'd never have anything to do with that terrible,

horrible creepy man again and then the Epstein files came out, part of them at least and showed that Howard Lottnik. So these are the sort of things that are kind of embarrassment that Trump really, you know, wants to to punish. Do you think they're going to release any more of the files or do you think this is all we'll get? This is, there's this term that I've always hated called limited hangout and one of the reasons that he did is because it was often used to disparage Wiki leaks,

the reporting we did in these big cases where we would divulge a lot of files like a misnode and reporting where people will try to imply, oh, you've looked, you made it look like you, you disclosed a lot, but that was just a way of justifying the concealment and withholding of the documents that are really incriminating. A lot of people think that's what happened with JFK too. And although I still dislike the term in some ways that it's deployed, I have come to believe that that is

something that government does. The next administration definitely did that with Watergate. For example, they get pinging if they release some people will do say, okay, we don't have it all, but we have enough. And that's clearly what the Trump administration is gambling on. They've released a lot, but there's still immense amounts that they continue to conceal and I think they're hoping with time lapsing and people losing attention span and this new war that, well, kind of just

forget about it and say, well, we got enough. It does seem like this war has taken over the Iran war seems like more people are talking about that than the falls now, right? Well, yeah, and I would say

on every level. And our attention should be paid to that, I think, principally because of just how

“quickly these sorts of things can escalate, pay on, turn into protractor conflicts.”

So, yeah, but we shouldn't forget about other things including the obscene files. Yeah, and you've been pretty vocal about this war. You don't like America getting involved at all. Where do you see it going from here? Well, I just, like, look at China just for, as an example, China in the last 20 years by everybody's agreement has become a major world power competing with the United States. I'm pretty much every level, technological, military, politically,

economically, displacing the United States in Europe and regions around the world that the United States traditionally has yielded a lot of power, like Africa and Latin America and other places. And yet, China has not fought a war, has not had a single war in the last 48 years. If it's going back to the 1979, when Faina had a war, and that was a one-month border dispute with Vietnam, look at how many wars we've had in the interim. And it turns out you can do it a lot of extraordinary

things. If you don't just go around the world bombing countries and baiting countries and trying into their government, you can instead use of resources to improve your own country, building massive high-speed rail that connects all your cities, you know, on and on and on, all the things that China has, as so remarkably done in the out-of-way surpassed the United States. So we're supposed to have this idea that wars will last resort, wars hell, all these cliches that have a basis

and truth. And yet, if you kind of step outside the United States, if I have just lived outside the United States for quite a while now, you can start realizing things that seem normalized and customary in your culture that are in fact very operational. And the fact that we constantly fight wars against countries that have not attacked us and are in about to attack us is one of those things. And this is yet another war, another war like that, the kind that Trump ran for 10 years,

promising to avoid denouncing and saying that it was destroying our country. And he was right about that that resonated with me and a lot of other people. And yet here we are arguably in the middle of

“the worst and most dangerous one yet. That's a good point. I think the military industrial complex”

is so large now. If we were to stop going to wars, it would probably hurt us for a little bit, right, in the short term economically. I mean, I guess the question is who was us? You know, we had this 20-year occupation of Afghanistan that Donald Trump negotiated into with the Taliban and then Joe Biden, rather incompetently, but nonetheless executed. We finally withdrew from from Afghanistan. This was in mid-2021. And the Taliban would just march right into the power,

back into power, as though none of it had never happened. All that money and all those lives wasted

for no reason. And then six months later, we found new war, which is when Russia invaded Ukraine. And suddenly we had all this new reason to crank up the war machine. And so you're definitely right. It needs to be fed. These people will demens power in both parties of Washington. But when we say we would suffer, I think what we mean is the arms and industry would suffer. The defense contractors would suffer in the all blood. Right. You know, kind of leaches that

that cling to them would suffer. But you could use that money instead for all sorts of other stimulus inside the United States for like renewing infrastructure. You go to any other country and you're shocked when you compare their airports, the roads, the bridges to the United States, where everything is falling apart, put people back to work. So, you know, it's not just a

“binary choice. I think it's a question of who's benefiting specifically and who isn't.”

Yeah, that's a good point. Do you think America should be investing more in infrastructure? What else do you think we should be investing in in America? I mean, our communities, you know, this was the whole promise of the Trump project. In fact, if you go back and look at Steve Bannon's plan for the Trump 2016 campaign, which even though I had the long been associated with the left in my work, I found very interesting and appealing. Steve Bannon's plan was, we get into office,

we raise taxes on the rich, we use that money to do a bipartisan infrastructure bill with the Democrats. We renew America's infrastructure, put hundreds of thousands of people back to work with good paying, you know, American-based, even United Jobs, and then close the border.

That was the recipe that Steve Bannon envisioned. That was like the America first recipe for

for improving the United States. And basically, none of that was done in the first term. It's because Jared Kushner won his power battle with Steve Bannon. Instead, we had corporate tax cuts, and tax cuts on the rich. No infrastructure bill. The border wasn't closed and a traditional, more traditional foreign policy. So I still think that vision of having, you know, America's rust belt and the heartland revitalized so that our communities are in play by

unemployment and addiction and suicide and depression and everybody on all sorts of, you know,

soul of the United States is disintegrating as well. That's what needs renewal more than anything else, but you cannot do that if you continue to just give huge tax cuts to the rich and at the same time spend, you know, hundreds of billions of dollars on endless foreign wars, which is exactly what we're doing right as we speak. Yeah, it does seem like the spirit is dying, we seem more divided than ever, no king's day protests had over 8 million people broke world records. Yeah, doesn't seem

like we're having in the right direction right now, right? No, I mean, you know, if you, I've always

tried to avoid this more, we had very melodramatic rhetoric, but it does feel like late-sage imperial collapse. I mean, if we look at how other empires have collapsed, there's a lot of washing out, a lot of insecurity, and then it usually is driven by internal dissension, by from a business I'm always trying to get the best outcome for the best price. So it's kind of crazy, I haven't looked at my life insurance in years. I don't even know if what I'm paying is competitive,

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start a family, it's very difficult, both parents up to work outside the house, people are losing religion, they're losing spirituality, they're increasingly isolated. All the things that human beings need to feel fulfilled, the connection and community and purpose. All of that is disintegrating along with our communities, they're kind of disintegrating together. And so of course you're going to have people feeling like they're lost, society lay and I think you know, bowls overall

when you show that especially in the richer countries ironically, in the West, that's how people increasingly feel. Yeah, I noticed you seem to be very pro-religion, I saw you on Drullin Torrey talking about religion and you don't mind Islam coming to the West. So you see religion that's sort of a net positive to society. I see spirituality as a net positive, one expression of which is religion. I think if we don't,

you know, to me, I have not a theologian but I have you know, studied to some extent various religions and I do feel like, you know, they have a lot more in common than than they do differences and in particular, I think it's this question of, what is the purpose of our existence? Why are we here? We search for something greater than ourselves? These are all things human beings

have, you know, strive for and needed to feel and needed to be connected to basically since

this organized society existed. And if you use that, everything becomes nihilistic, everything becomes just kind of, you know, of the moment. There is nothing greater than ourselves. We, we, we, we become very narcissistic and self-centered. And I think nihilism is, is the alternative to that. So it's not that I'm, you know, hypocritically insisting everybody be religious. I don't really

“practice a specific organized religions, but I think a spiritual aspect to life is absolutely crucial”

for human fulfillment, for human happiness and a healthy society. The Christian nationalism movement,

a lot of scrutiny on social media, mixing politics with religion, I guess, do you see a problem

with that mixing the two? Yeah, I mean, you know, like anything religion can have it's, it's negative outcomes as well, you know, it can really to lead to all kinds of

“fractional strife. And when it mixes with politics, I think one of the ways that political”

power is most easily abused is when political people become too self-righteous. You know, they believe that they're just on a course of absolute righteousness. And so they start disbelieving in the need for constraints on their own power. They, they lose a humility because they believe that everything that they're doing is ordained by God. I think there's a very dangerous

concepts for app people acting in the political realm, but the other extreme of just becoming completely

erroligious, of becoming completely secular, of having no spiritual component, that you can be very, very dangerous. Absolutely. I saw your debate with Coleman about free speech, how you believe it's being suppressed. What did you think of the feedback after that debate? I thought it was a really interesting one. Yeah. You know, I, I've known Coleman for a while, and so I felt like it would be a debate that would be at least in good faith and conducted civilly. I really

feel like the spies shows where you go on and you're supposed to scream at each other and, you know, like who yells out as or who speaks most. Maybe I'm too old for that, but I just don't have the energy for that, like the motivation to do that. And I do think it was conducted in that way. I

“think he, he conducted it civilly and I think people responded well to that. But at the same time,”

you know, he works for an outlet that is fanatically pro-Israel that has, as its core mission, talking about the free press has found it by Barry Weiss and now incorporated into CBS News. We're Barry Weiss is the president of the network and the Ellison family who are, you know, the largest single donors to the IDAF friends of the IDAF in history are the owners and so they clearly are a project as I and his project for for Israel. You know, he's not, I'm free to say whatever

I want. I don't have, you know, bosses of that kind and he's not. And I think that he was in a difficult position. And it was interesting to see that even his own audience reacted, you know, usually if you go on someone else's show and you look at their comments on the YouTube page, it's all, oh, you destroyed him, you killed him, you know. And I don't think there was a lot of that.

“And I think the reason is because especially when it comes to the free speech question, which we”

devoted, you know, the first 30 to 40 minutes to, even if you are pro Israel, even if you want

for whatever reason the American worker to have to finance and subsidize Israeli society and the Israeli military, people still to be American doesn't mean that many things these days, but one of the things that definitely means is it's kind of instinctive belief in the idea of free speech. The government can't prohibit ideas or render ideas off limits and increasingly the government has been doing that in various ways and the name of shielding Israel from criticism. And I think even people who are

pro Israel just react very poorly to that and there's no question that's happening. It's very difficult to die, especially if you, you know, are well informed about these developments and can easily demonstrate that it is. And so I think that made it more difficult for him. There's no doubt it's happening. I've lost millions in sponsorship because I have on certain people that speak out against Israel. My TikTok uphand after Ellison took over. So it's, it's

happening on a pretty large level. I do worry that it spreads to other platforms like Facebook and YouTube. Hopefully it doesn't under Trump, but we'll see you right. Well, I mean, let's remember, you know, Facebook is owned by Mark Zuckerberg, who is very close to the Israeli government. I think Elon Musk deserves some credit and that he's resisted this a lot. There's been efforts to pressure him to to impose censorship and independence of Israel. There's

some occasions where he has has get pillulated, but by and large, he's kept it a pretty free speech platform overall. There's certainly no short of Israel criticism on X. But at the same time, you know, this is not a new phenomenon. This is something that has been going on for quite a long time, where the media can show you. Endless examples demonstrating all of this. After October 7th, when support for Israel was no

longer sustainable, simply because people were seeing its true face in Gaza. And not just in Gaza,

going there constantly, standing up every week and talking more about Israel than their own constituents, their own states and districts. People started naturally, you know, really looking

for the first time, especially young people. And as support for Israel unraveled in the US and then

throughout the last, they just became increasingly desperate. And in general, power of actions turned to censorship more and more when they were losing the debate. They used to have a very, you know, aggressive and strong lockdown on the ability to send on Israel. Very few people could do it. Most people were afraid to speak out. But once you get past that tipping point where it becomes mainstream to speak openly and critically, and have these questions about Israel and

US subsidizing it, it's very hard to put that back in the bag. And they kind of, for the first

“time, are acting at a panic and desperation. And that's why the censorship has become so visible,”

so brazen. So, so explicit. Yeah, they almost have to be so explicit now, right? They can't hide it anymore, because the masses have changed, I think, over the past few years, especially about the war in Palestine and now this war and I ran out of people are very frustrated, right? Yeah, but, but, you know, to me, and this is why my main cause over the last decade as a journalist, just as a citizen has been a free and open internet. And particularly keeping independent media

free and forishing is that as long as we have decentralized information vectors, where, you know, it's not even like 20 years ago where you just have cable networks that are owned by big corporations, or 30 years ago, where you just had networks owned by massive corporations that were easily controllable, then dependent on the US government. It's impossible, essentially, with a free internet, to control the full of information to prevent people from organizing and asking questions of

one another and learning from each other. Instead of from the centralized funds,

“they're easily controlled by the government. They're trying. That's what the TikTok band was about.”

That's why they wanted to ban TikTok or force it into a hands of Larry Ellison. That's why, you know, all these Western European countries are Canada and UK and Australia and Brazil. Lots of other places are constantly passing laws to make it easier to control content on the internet. But I think that that chip has long ago sailed. The internet's just too big and a wielding in people are too accustomed to, to being able to speak freely and hear

what they want, that I don't think that that tactic is going to work. And that's why we

saw the free and open internet was the most important cause. Because if you can have a place where

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Corrosion or population control of that kind, like really heavy state propaganda becomes virtually impossible. Yeah, I do think it's the obvious better alternative, but do you see independent and alternative media eventually getting compromised too? Do you see certain

institution is susceptible to corruption and an independent media has a ton of that incentives.

“I think probably the worst of which is audience capture because the way that you make money”

independent media is by building a big audience. And if you build your audience based upon some sort of person or ideological identity, it means that they don't want to hear the moments when you start questioning things or challenge their preconceptions, that they want to hear validated. They want to feel like a part of a like-minded community. I'm not saying all, but that is a big tendency. And so you can see a lot of podcasts are as the easiest path in order to become a big

podcaster, a big build a big audience online within the independent media and they're from make a lot of money. Is this the plant or flag in some camp, you know, and say, I'm a grumble. Well, I'm a democratic partisan or I'm whatever. And you know, you can do that and that'll work, but you've run the huge risk of it very quickly, no longer being free. It's just become a job. You're just reading, you know, people what they want to hear and you don't feel free to say

“what it is that you want. But I think there are more than enough people out there and those”

is the audience I've always tried to build than I think I have cultivated over a large amount of

number of years that don't want that. That don't want to just be patronized that way. That don't want to just have to like go part of a choir. They want to be challenged. They want to know that you're giving your best efforts to understand things, communicate what it is that you're seeing with the evidence demonstrates and be convinced and not just, you know, kind of patterned to. And I, you know, that's where independent media can thrive. But of course, there's all kinds of, as you said,

as well, they're a subject to, you know, secret payments and all kinds of corrupting influence and there's definitely a lot of that going on as well. There's the way to avoid that. But on the whole, I think the benefit of the pandemic, the pandemic or provide, just the, the, the plurality of views, the, the diffuse information dissemination, that those benefits are are very significant. Yeah, yeah, it does feel like some people pigeoned whole themselves. Like when you, when you said

all that Charlie Kirk came to mind because near the end, it really seemed like he was starting to question some things and he couldn't speak out about it, right? Well, he, he talked, I mean, Charlie Kirk lost donors on exactly the same issue that the Europeans said that you did, which was Israel. And, you know, in particular, it wasn't even things that he was saying. It was

people that he was inviting. The idea of like, you know, talking point was always that it was this

big tent, uniting force that would bring all the different factions of American conservatism, the American raid together. And once people like Tucker Carlson started, you know, really aggressively questioning Israel and the US relations with it, started talking about Epstein as a massade agent and then went and did that at talking point events. A lot of the funders that that we're funding talking point were in Charlie's own words, Jewish billionaires, and they were

aggressively insisting that he'd de platform those people. And when he refused, he lost millions and millions of dollars in donations, which is not an easy thing to do. And then he himself also started openly questioning it, you know, having those kind of town halls, where young people, young conservatives could come and express their reservations at Israel, this became extremely scary to people who care most about Israel, because they've kind of

written off the American lap. The Democratic Party is sort of on its way to becoming more hostile to Israel. And so keeping the American right in line, especially evangelicals, who Charlie represented you know, this kind of a younger evangelical sector of the American right, to now have anti-Israel sentiment contaminating that with the person they thought was

always going to be the one who would sort of shape this new generation to think in very

proesial ways. That was extremely alarming to them. And the evidence of that is what he endured.

“And I believe after his death, they turning point ended up taking some more donations,”

some people say like a large amount, I've heard like 100 million, I don't know if that's verified, but it seems like they got those donors back on board, right? Well, they very quickly, you don't hear any Israel skepticism from talking point anymore. You know, to the extent the talking point is Erica Kirk and the people who were in trolley stuff, who have now taken over his podcast, you, that's gone. But I don't think talking point

is going to be nearly as influential without Charlie. It was extremely charismatic person, exceptionally good at personal networking and relationships. And without him, it's just kind of like, you know, it's got a big potting corporation. I don't think there's a lot of robust energy to it. So yeah, I'll be proesial and exchange it from money, but I just don't think it'll have real anywhere near the same influence it once did. I don't think there'll be a budding

went on a show. He announced recently he's being investigated by the CIA. Are there any updates on

that story? I don't have any updates that I can share in that, but I know that there are a lot of efforts inside the just department, the CIA, the try and depict him as some kind of almost like treasonous agent. But if you look at what a journalist does, which, you know, you can think what everyone about Tucker. I mean, Tucker has been a journalist this whole life. He's done nothing but work for media outlets and was paid for reporting and for, you know, punitive tree and

analyzing. I mean, that is what Tucker does at the end of the day. Obviously talking to foreign governments, including ones with whom your nation might go to war, is absolutely fundamental to the job. But you cannot reasonably inform people about a potential military conflict if you don't understand the perspective of the other side. But Tucker is a huge threat to the same people that they just described Charlie Kirk as being a threat to. And, you know, if you don't believe that

those people, A have a lot of power and B will wield it without limits in order to guard themselves against whatever perceived threats they think exist, then you just don't understand how they work.

And I, for that reason, I mean, it was always very credible to me what Tucker was saying

and the more I've learned about it, the more credible I know it to be. It does feel like the CIA going after him is kind of an attack on on alternative media too and free speech and reporting. I mean, I could, I could see why people are very invested

“to see how this plays out, right? Yeah, you know, is interesting. I think it's, it's a really”

important point. I've seen this with what I was before. You know, one of the, the, the big, the big leaked that WikiLeaks got. One of the big ones was leaked by, as we now know, the Army Private Chelsea Manning who was in Iraq and discovered all these files that showed all sorts of government lies and, and, and war crimes and sent it to WikiLeaks and they, they caught her and they put her into this prison and then they started really treating her abusively. You know,

like, uh, way beyond the way a normal prisoner would, would be treated and by that point, you know, she couldn't do any damage. Like, she obviously lost whatever access to class fine information, she had, she was nowhere in the Army and so the question was, you know, why? Same thing with Snowden, right? Edward Snowden had access to a mass amount of top secret documents, gave them to me and, and to my reporting partner where a poitress and yet they're still after

Edward Snowden to this day. They want to put him into prison forever, even though he obviously can do more, no more damage either. The question is why and the reason is is because they want to make examples of these people so that if you're somebody who's thinking about, you know, discovering government to see or or criminality and then disclosing it publicly through some means, you'll think yourself, you know what? I just watched them destroy the lives of this person

and that person and that person and I did it. So I know I don't want to do that because the same thing will happen to me. They don't want anyone, you know. Because everybody else in independent media will think, well, if they can actually criminally investigate Tucker, if they can actually credibly charge him or accuse him or intimidate him with the legal system, this is, you know,

“one of the biggest people in this media space about the biggest, what can they do to me?”

Maybe this is a topic I'd be best devised to, to avoid. It's a climate of fear, which is, you know, designed for deterrence, that they're really most determined to create. The hotter percent I've deflated with, yeah, John Curiosity too, when he was so blue, he got thrown in prison for a few years. I believe they bankrupted him. Yeah, they want you in that state to not talk about certain things, right? They want you in a state of fear.

Yeah, and again, not just those people who, you know, generally when they blow the whistle, that's, you know, they, they reveal what they have. It's the people who end up in their situation, you know, inside the government with access to this information. I mean, the most, you know,

I think the most amazing story, and to me, it's sort of like the grandfather of modern day

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“knew that they could never win the Vietnam War that a bastard could be fought to a standstill if they”

fought for many years, but probably they were going to end up losing. And yet publicly, they would go testify before Congress and give interviews and they would say exactly the opposite. They would say we're six months away from winning. You just need to stop tying our hands with these protests and we're going to win and you know tens of thousands of American troops to say nothing and millions of people and Vietnam were dying and he went and took the the study, the Pentagon

paper study where they concluded they could never win and made a public and for that they wanted

to put him into prison for life for for showing the truth about a war that huge numbers of Americans were dying in. Like the 20-year-old kids were coming back and body bags by the thousands for a war that they kept saying they were going to win but knew that they couldn't. He should have immediately been treated as American hero, but the only people who in general are punished or panic price for severe government deceit and wrongdoing and criminality are the people who

expose it and not the people who do it. You don't be wondering with Iran or like they're saying

“we're going to win in a few months too, with who knows what's actually happening there, right?”

And what is winning look like, you know, I mean originally like think about even what happened with Venezuela like waiting up to the the the abducted a madurum Venezuela we kept hearing about the drug trade and drug boats like does anybody think the drug trade has been meaningfully interrupted into the United States is a harder to get drugs in if you're an American inside the United States what anybody credibly claimed that as drugs were all told of what we did in Venezuela

blowing up a bunch of boats and abducting the Venezuelan president or even freeing the people of Venezuela from this like harsh dictator have we done that? Of course not we got the government in place there I don't know maybe symbolic rights that now that that are honored that that didn't previously but by and large it's the same exact system yeah so same hearing in Iran like think about everything we were hearing in the lead up to this war oh the the government is killing

protesters by the tens of thousands is this tyrannical government as though we fight wars to free people we don't hear about that anymore like clearly it's not the goal of whatever we're doing it around they're gonna impose democracy and build some sort of free government I mean that would take you know decades of nation building of the kind that we failed to do in Iraq and Afghanistan Libya and everywhere else we tried like who would ever think really doing that so the question is like

what is winning even look like and you can see I mean the the straight of where Moses closed we cannot open it the despite what we were told the Iranians are launching mass amounts of ballistic missiles not just Israel but at the energy sectors and the entire Persian Gulf on US military bases much many of which have been rendered inoperable by Iranian air strikes and then just today they blew up an F-15 the fighter jet out of the skies having a that was thought utterly impossible for them

to do and and yet they did it and so yes I do think one of the there's all sorts of ways in Israel I do about wars before they happen and while they're undergoing while they're underway but one of the main ones is just the question of whether we can quote unquote win and what winning even means I wonder also now if they can lie to the same extent with alternative media and social media in place

you and I can talk the way we're talking I think sometimes like I know I take this for granted sometimes too but you know when I started writing about politics I had been a lawyer previously and I wanted to get into journalism running up politics and one of the reasons I was able to do that was because there was this this blogging software that Google had created called Bogspot and it let you you know just kind of open a blog and if you could attract an audience then you could reach a lot of

people you could reach an unlimited number of people in fact and the reason that was so innovative and

revolutionary was because you know 10 years earlier you had to have a newspaper which meant you

had to have a printing press and a huge newsroom and delivery systems and everything else and having digitalized you know I blogs and information made of so that you could reach a huge number of people with with very little investment and now you have shows like relatively professionalized shows that look like in the studio shows or have the same capability they just appear in the internet or not are not transmitted over cable or network television which is how most people watch and

get their information anyway and the fact that we're able to have these conversations that we're able to build big audiences that it kind of gets collective that we go and listen to each other

“and talk to each other this is I think it's important not to take for granted what what are”

remarkably revolutionary development that is absolutely some people think Trump's playing

5B chess with this war they think in the long run it'll pay off other people think it's going to ruin his legacy where do you lie and all that? Trump himself has known for a decade that involvement in these kinds of wars destroys presidency and destroys legacies. Americans didn't even want this war so it would be one thing of Americans where sold on this war that there were big majorities like there was for the Iraq War for example

where at least Bush and Cheney spent a year convincing the public to support it albeit filled with lies and deceit and propaganda but they still bother what to do that and so there was a big majority at at the start and ultimately the failure of that war is what

ruined Bush's legacy that's clearly how he'll be remembered. In this case I've never seen a war in my

lifetime that didn't produce some sort of like rally around the flag of fact or people will say okay my country's going to war I support this war and you're Steve I were fighting it there was no attempt to convince America that and so this war is quickly the most unpopular war that I've seen in my lifetime and that means Trump has two choices and only two choices. Number one is he can continue to get further and further sucked in which is how these wars become the Vietnam War,

the Iraq War, the Afghanistan War exactly this way. Nobody still stops saying oh well I want to fight this one I want to fight this one year war. Nobody starts off with that everybody starts off to vote just another month just another month and you know suddenly 12 special forces soldiers are

“killed and now you can't get out you have to go and avenge them and then you escalate and then they”

escalate and then it becomes that or he just arbitrarily and prematurely ends it pretending that we wanted some great victory even though we won nothing and everybody sees that and it's like a an unprecedented humiliation for the United States like we are on the road to losing this war and neither of those choices is good for him so yeah I mean it's amazing he had you know unlike the first term a lot of goodwill at the start of his second term he was actually a reasonably

popular president people were willing to give him a chance and there's been almost no focus on domestic policy other than closing the border in ice and the ice stuff you know was was pretty unpopular just because of the brute way that it was carried out people don't like seeing Americans citizens you know shot in the head on the street by by federal agents other than that it's all been Israel and you know bombing Yemen and the Epstein files and Ukraine and none of and now this war

none of what was promised to people when they voted for Trump none of it yeah it wasn't really into politics during his first term but I feel like this term Israel's just way more involved with

“him I'm not sure if they were as involved in his first term you know well I think one of the important”

things to realize not to make it clear for Trump but just to kind of get an insight into how he he sees things he was running president 2024 not only to become president but to stay out of prison for the rest of his life had he lost the 2024 the democrats were absolutely going to put him in prison for a long time and you're talking about somebody who's you know almost 80 years old there were four different felony cases pending against him they already obtained felony convictions in

that preposterous the york case with stormy Daniels and those hush money payments but they were you know they had two penalty cases relating to January 6 that were the one related to the classified documents that he took tomorrow logo and they were open about the fact that they wanted to put him in prison for life and not just him but you know he'd they'd already tried this in his first term with

who care most about Israel and who have a ton of money you know I'm not like pro Israel billionaires

I can marry a metal sin and black man and he's type who never really were behind Trump

particularly but saw that he was once it became apparent he was going to be their public in harmony they kind of swooped in and extracted a bunch of promises and an exchange for those promises you know spent tens of millions of not hundreds of millions of dollars that enabled his campaign to be a winning campaign and he ended up you know his big promise in 2016 was I'm so rich nobody can buy me I don't know anybody anything I only am going to work for you in 2024 he owed everybody everything

and you know yes he's been a very pro Israel president his daughter is married to you know in Orthodox Jude Jared Kushner whose family has been fanatically pro Israel for a long time he was probably the most influential White House adviser in the first term but I don't think anybody expected that Trump was going to actually involve the United States and exactly the Continental East War that he spent a decade rallying against and denouncing clearly for Israel

I mean this is Israel's enemy or not the United States is what are the odds you think after the midterms that they try to impeach him I don't know there you know in in in in yet it's hard to you you don't want to underestimate how cynical and disgusting the Democrats are in you know the same thing happened in Bush's second term he was extremely unpopular their

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Democrats won that was when Nancy Pelosi became the first ever female house speaker they took over the house they took over the Senate and within about a matter of days after they won that midterm election Nancy Pelosi said we're not going to impeach George Bush and we're also not going to cut off funding for the war we don't want to leave the troops you know exposed that lay but what they really wanted was they wanted Bush and office and they wanted Iraq War ongoing

into the 2008 election because they knew it would help them recapture the White House so they kept funding the Iraq War despite the promises they wouldn't even know they won on a promise to cut it off because they were hoping that Bush and Iraq War in the unpopularity of it would spur them into the White House and that work that's that's a big part of why Obama won against

“John McCain in 2008 so that's what the Democrats even if they win I mean maybe they'll impeach Trump”

I don't think they're going to remove him from office and make JD events the president that would be absolutely contrary to their interests he's a lame duck anyway but clearly when the Democrats win and I think it's extremely likely as certainly in the House maybe in the Senate that they will you know it's going to be the end of Trump's domestic agenda that's for sure

I mean obviously I've seen a lot of those which ones in particular you're referring to

“the ones that he died and there's A.I. videos of him have you seen us?”

Yeah I mean I've seen those I mean I you know I don't I don't run away from conspiracy theories because conspiracy are very real in our world I mean a lot of human history is driven like conspiracy but I try really hard to be evidentiary based of them and you know there have been journalists I know who are based in in Jerusalem or Tel Aviv who have been to press conferences with that Yahoo so unless they create it some like hologram or incredibly life like you know

clone of his you know no I don't think that you know who is dead and and they're just prompting him up with some sort of technology yeah I mean the videos were definitely A.I but that doesn't mean he's dead I think they were just trying to not disclose where he was at live right they canceled a lot of events you were supposed to be up right which you know I mean given that they on the very first day killed around the spiritual leader

have killed the leader has bought and Hamas clearly used me as a wartactic the Iranians and the other only release would love nothing more than then to kill that nyah who if I were

“him I would definitely want my location to remain and disclose to the loyal yeah I believe I saw”

some news outlet I didn't fact check this but it said Israel doesn't plan on sending ground troops to this war did you see that oh yeah yeah I know there's gonna have the United States to do it they're gonna I mean this is you know this is the the most amazing thing is uh somebody who has

been a very harsh and ill-spoken critical of Israel for you know more than 20 years

the claim has always been from Israel supporters oh there's so much the thing is Americans going to war for Israel American soldiers don't don't don't go die in wars for Israel and yet here is a war against the country that has been Israel's primary adversary for decades then nyah who has wanted more than anything else he did that he wanted in the world to where the United States to go fight a regime change war against them to remove them as a

whole work against unfettered Israeli power in the region and now on the verge of a very potential ground war these really are basically saying we're not gonna go risk our boys and in this crown war and they really the Israeli military is is is really near collapse I mean they've been fighting a war now a very difficult multi-front war for many years and I don't know if you know this but like the one of the reasons why you know they're a small country and they're fighting

major wars for in in many places but the orthodox Jews the sect of a religious Jews and Israel are exempt from from the draft even though everyone all along and Israel men and women are both are required to go to the IDFC of this huge sect of orthodox Jews you can kind of hundreds of thousands of them if not even more than a million that probably more than a million now who who just don't fight and they're among the most fanatical and militaristic and it's

causing these extreme riffs in Israeli society because of the exhaustion of the troops the fact

that this is the group that often demands more and more war but they never go and fight them

much like United States where you have you know the war mountains who who send everybody else's families and as a result these these really army despite you know all the lure about the war about the IDAP they're really in coutters they're really exhausted fighting ground war in in Iran would would absolutely collapse these really military so their attitude is it's the americans job to go do it for us and I'm sure Trump will serve those demands if these situation arises

I actually did not know that well so if they want to actually achieve the greater Israel projects they they need us basically and even America might not be enough based off this Iran war and I was

“looking right well that's why you're seeing this kind of like desperation on the part of Trump”

on the part of Israeli leaders they're trying to demand in coutrol and beg Persian Gulf states like Saudi Arabia and the Emirates and the Burhanian and the Qataris to enter the war against Iran on behalf of of the U.S. and Israel they have their own tensions with Iran you know in in terms of Iran's on an Arab country there's the shiit shiit shiit distinction there's been tensions between the Persian Gulf countries and Iran for for quite a while so these rallies are trying to kind of

simulate those but then you also have Trump begging the Europeans begging NATO to to go and help him open up the straight-of-war moves because the U.S. and Israel are really losing this war I'm not saying that at the end they will lose and in fact my big concern is that if other countries don't intervene and I can't imagine you know Western Europe France or the UK or any of those countries Spain or Italy going and fighting alongside the United States against Iran they would rather just

pay Iran you know hostage money to get their way from the straight-of-war moves and I don't think these other Arab countries want to either because at the end of the day these Persian Gulf states you know they're like tiny little fragile monarch monarchies that just have oil and if the Iranians

more you know Bahrain there's no more Saudi Arabia these countries don't exist these countries are

nothing without their oil infrastructure so it's really essential for them and my big concern is that

if Iran if Israel and the U.S. continue to lose this war if Trump you know starts to put ground troops there but you need so many ground troops to be able to take over a country of this size they're going to country of 90 million people like almost four times what what Iraq was when we invaded there they could start to resort to some extremely desperate measures um including the use about a field nukes and things like that because you cannot have the United States

bravely losing this war in front of the world it just it's it's not a humiliation that the United States will accept I've seen videos where it's almost impossible allegedly to invade them with ground troops because of their terrain very mountainous so it doesn't look like that would work yeah and like it's their country you know they've been preparing for this forever this is something we don't think about you know yes our military is the greatest military in the most

powerful military etc and it has the biggest ships and the most advanced planes and the biggest

bombs that's for sure we do have all that but that's doesn't mean that you can go in and control somebody else's country it's like obviously someone else knows their country way better than you know

“that that's why does this kind of a rag tag suddenly in certainty in Iran but in Iraq was”

able to give the US military so much trouble but Iran is way bigger coming at very proud thousands of year old civilization they've been planning for this kind of hostility for a long long time they're very good it is we're now seeing they're not a joke and I do think the US you know ground troops would be cannon fodder in a lot of ways like they would do a lot of damage but a lot of damage would be done to them probably well beyond the level that american

durable into the power a yeah be like the anombo worse right yeah yeah I mean you know it's like what we're seeing in in Russian Ukraine you know we can send the Ukrainians all the big beautiful weapons but at the end of the day it's a war of attrition between ground troops using cheap drones that are just causing these massive bloodbass and I don't think I know these rallies aren't going to risk their boys in that kind of a war and Trump might because he gets

convinced I mean a lot you know a lot of what Trump does is a byproduct of what people convince him is true and he sits all day in front of Fox News I mean that is the reality and that's where he

you know we have this intelligence infrastructure that we spend 75 billion dollars a year on you know

like the CIA and the NSA spying but Trump sits there in front of Fox News and gets his information

“for Fox News that's what he responds to that or you know Lindsey Graham or or whomever”

and if he's convinced if he gets convinced like I think he got convinced with this war that would be a lot easier than it is that we can send ground troops in and take this and take that and force a run to capitulate I could easily see that that United States getting itself into that yeah wonder if he got confident after the Venezuela stealth attack right yeah but like Venezuela is not Iran plus like what all we did in Venezuela was we went in

and we we we kidnapped one one president and in a lot of ways Maduro could have done a lot more to put the entire country kind of an upheaval but he kind of gave himself up in a way and and that's why it was so quick and easy but what what was accomplished there and you know like I said we we didn't go in and invade Venezuela we don't have we're not occupying Venezuela we didn't spend you know months carpet bombing it and and and compare Venezuela which has been sanctioned in strangleholding

embargoed and cut off from the world economy by the United States for decades to Iran which is a

“big powerful sophisticated nation I think Russian China are helping Iran more than we know as well”

with technology and and other kinds of targeting information even some technological support I that's a much much different undertaking absolutely you mentioned a straight-up for moves earlier as long as the states blocked it doesn't seem like oil is going to keep going up it's almost six dollars a gallon here in Vegas has it affected you over there in Brazil a lot of it yeah I mean because you know the world or a supply is basically collective

and you know the United States for example doesn't even get oil from the straight-up for moves I mean we're in that exporter the United States is of oil but the oil world oil market is just one big world oil market like the supply is what feeds every country and if there's some huge disruption as there is now it is going to affect every country but it's not just affecting you know gas prices affecting stock markets and futures and bonds and I mean the whole world

economy is being disrupted and you know I don't think the Iranians are ever going to give up control

everybody can just go and use it because it's they're going to extract a price for for this war of aggression that has been launched against them wow so you think the Navy's going to have to get involved or what do you think the approach would be with that I mean you know one good solution to the fact that the straight-up war moves is closed is to stop attacking Iran and do a deal with them to open the straight-up war moves because the straight-up war moves

was completely open before the United States launched an aggressive and unprovoked war against Iran

“so if you want to open the straight-up war moves I guess you could say you know I mean the the”

issue at the straight-up war moves the reason why it's so difficult to do anything is because it's extremely narrow and it's right there on the Iranian coast so even if you destroy the Iranian navy and they can't block the straight-up war moves any ships that are passing through there including US naval ships are going to be very vulnerable to missiles and drones that can be shot from the interior war on from from hundreds of of kilometers away there's no way that you can make the

straight-up war moves safe from Iranian aggression if they want to attack the ships that are going through there it's just very narrow waterway it's like 24 miles at at one of its narrowest points that you have to pass through and so if the Iranians want to manage ships in the straight-up war moves and then you also have the you know the the the the Houthis and Yemen who are close

“Iranian allies who can also do the same thing have done the same thing with the Red Sea you know”

as protests against what these rallies were doing in Gaza they haven't really entered the war yet the Houthis they have a little bit but nowhere near and they could blockade the the Red Sea or war pirated hack or missile attack ships going through the Red Sea and you can fuck the world economy in so many different ways without much effort cheese how does not I did not know is that narrow so yeah taking out the navy won't be enough so you either have to negotiate or

we have to go all in. Yeah you either completely just you know you send a run back to the stone age is this Pete Hugseth and Donald Trump have been repugantly threatening to do you know I thought that was the country the people we wanted to save and liberate and make them thriving and now we're going to return to the stone age or you just you know my hope is that you know one of the things that I guess Trump's superpower is is that and he's had this you know well before I entered politics

I have the New York 15 years when he was this big like cowboy figure before he went on the apprentice

you know he's always been able to just he's always been shameless like there's nothing going to

embarrass his him he can look you in the eye and say anything even though everybody knows his balls and he will insist on it's kind of like a condan skill that he's very good at and so my hope is that he'll decide I'd hot enough and I'm going to declare victory and I'm just going to insist that we won't attack anybody who suggests we didn't win is insulting the troops or fake news or whatever

“and that is probably the best way out yeah well glad and thanks for your time today man what's the”

next project you're working on how could people support you I just move back to substax I'm doing I'm most of we're all my reporting there and do a video interviews and segments mill out of writing as well so anybody's free to follow my work fair beautiful we'll link it in the video next coming on then yeah good talking to you thanks for having me back thanks for watching all the way to the end guys please hit like and subscribe it helps us grow the show and helps us get bigger guests thank you

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