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It's the first time I've seen it, as I don't.

Love to go out of my way to see people getting arrested. Alright, let's see how this goes. Yeah, thank you. It's 6 a.m. Lucy is wearing a powder blue hoodie, matching sweatpants. She's letting the officers inside.

11 minutes later, it's recording again. And we can see Lucy being let out of the house in handcuffs. She looks just shocked.

“We are all seeing the same facial expression, but what meaning are we imbuing to it?”

Depending on what you feel about her, you think, oh, she's in shock because she's being accused of a crime she didn't commit or she's in shock because she thinks she was going to get away with it. I don't know Lucy, I do know that feeling of shock and just helplessness and how suddenly you go from being a regular person who has the ability to just open a door, right? That's something that immediately is triggering for me is the memory of

suddenly not having access to the world the way that a normal person has access to the world. And now the world is completely changed and shifted around you. I remember the actual moment they put handcuffs on me, they told me that it was a mere formality. It's just a bizarre moment of change that you don't really understand going from being a free person to a person in custody. There's nothing really that compares to that.

It's the ultimate like being rendered small.

even realize what was happening. It was so unfathomable to me that I could be accused that I

“believed the police when they told me they were taking me somewhere for my own protection.”

Even as the handcuffs clicked on my wrists it still didn't click for me. It wasn't until several days later after repeatedly crying myself to sleep in a prison cell that I was escorted to a makeshift courtroom in the prison where a judge told me I was accused of murder.

Only then did I finally understand what was happening to me.

I don't know what Lucy let be felt that day she was arrested, but in the video of her arrest released by the police, that day's expression, it gives me chills. But for whatever confusion Lucy let be may have been feeling, a much more straightforward narrative was starting to emerge in the media. A woman who worked to the countess of Chester Hospital has been arrested on suspicion of murdering eight babies and attempting to murder another six.

As part of the investigation, the Chester Police searched Lucy's home, her parents' house,

and Lucy's office at the hospital. They seized her diaries, her computer, her phone,

“and paperwork she has stashed under her bed. What they find will become key evidence against Lucy”

at her trial. One item in particular seems so damning. It could well be irrefutable proof that Lucy is exactly what the doctor's suspecter of being, a serial killer. The next day, Lucy's name and the accusations against her will make the front page of every major newspaper, every news show and every radio broadcast. From this moment on, Lucy let be is a character in her own life story. This is the moment,

Lucy loses hold of her own narrative. I'm Amanda Knox and from Vespucci and I Heart Podcasts, this is doubt. The case of Lucy let be episode three, Operation hummingbird. Next Monday, our 2021 six-eye-hard podcast awards are happening live in South by Southwest.

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talent and creators in the industry. And the winner is creativity, knowledge and passion will all be on full display. Thank you so much. I heart rate you all. Thank you to all the other nominees. You guys are awesome. Watch live next Monday at 8 p.m. Eastern 5 p.m. Pacific Free at feeps.com or the feeps app. Hi, this is Joe Interestine, host of the spare daughter podcast where we talk about astrology, natal charts and how to step into your most vibrant life.

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neonatal unit at the countess, feel like they are banging their heads against the wall. So far, they've had two external reviews, and a third is underway. But still, none of the reviews are coming to the same conclusion as the doctors. They say, "We've got a problem. The facts are, we've had an increasing death, and we think it's her." Michelle Warden is a former neonatal nurse at the countess.

She never worked with Lucy, but she knew a lot of the people who did, and she says that doctors

in charge were ready to blame Lucy very early on. From the first moment that they pointed the finger at Lucy, they were not thinking that Lucy had made a clinical mistake, or they'd been an accident. Or all the way along, they'd only had on average three deaths a year. They would definitely

“considering that this was a malicious act. I think because they were saying there was so many,”

I'm saying all these are unexplained collapses. Just a side note, for those who are not familiar, in this context, a collapse is a sudden deterioration in a baby's health, a drop in vital signs, a change in heart rate, or if they stop breathing. For the doctors, the sheer number of deaths while Lucy Leppy was on shift are looking like much more than mere coincidence, and it needed the police. But still, none of the hospital administrators

agree that is until Dr. Jayram tells them a story that, if true, is the first hand account

of attempted murder. That is a night that is etched on my memory and will be in my nightmares forever. Dr. Jayram tells hospital administrators that two years prior, he had walked in on Lucy watching a baby nearly suffocate to death. But a question remains, why didn't he just call the police then? He said he came up with this idea that he called her virtually red-handed with baby K, but he didn't document anything in the note and he didn't tell anybody for over 12 months.

Now, if he seriously thinks you've walked into a nursery where somebody's about to murder a baby, you just get in your car and drive to the police station with me. After initial conversations with hospital higher apps, the police are still skeptical that

with the doctors. I met with Stephen Breary and Ravi Jayram, and asked them to explain to me

“in the very short time scale we had, why I should or should not take this forward to be investigated.”

This is a quote from Detective Superintendent Paul Hughes of the Cheshire Constable Area, "Red by an actor." It's from an interview he did on a podcast hosted by the UK tabloid "The Daily Mail." Although they are very, very fragile, very delicate babies that need care, there's no expectation of death. There's no expectation of collapse. Detective Hughes looks like he could be a character in a guy richy movie. He's balled,

barrel-chested, with a close-trimmed beard. He has a kind of Jason's "State Them" vibe about him. In interviews and press conferences about the case, he wears a suit that barely contains him and a somber expression. During their initial meeting, Dr. Breary and Dr. Jayram tell Detective Hughes that although babies on the unit are fragile, one thing they don't do is die

suddenly. Of course, it's not like babies never die in a neonatal unit,

but the doctors explain they usually know when it's going to happen. The doctors go on to explain just how unusual these deaths were, and Detective Hughes leaves the encounter convinced there's a case. Here's Dr. Jayram during his ITD interview. The very fact that the police are for listening to us for less than 10 minutes realized that this is something that they had to be involved with to me speaks volumes, and I could punch the air. Finally, the police open an

investigation into the deaths at the Countess and code name it, Operation Hummingbird. The following series of events would forever change the hospital and everyone on that unit, from staff to parents. A narrative would take hold and there was no going back from here. This is now a murder case, and at the helm would be Detective Hughes as senior detective. Here he is again, this time in a promotional video put out by the police themselves.

What I was presented with was effectively a number of reports written in medical jargon. It's a lot for the detective and his team to get their heads around, but thankfully, the Countess pediatricians are on hand to answer questions. When I sat down with Dr. Phil Hammond, I asked him about this moment in the investigation. I don't like it in a proper scientific investigation. You'd say, okay, we're going to get

someone independent to look at this. If you recall, Dr. Hammond is a retired doctor and medical columnist for private eye, a popular current affairs magazine in Britain, and he's written over

“30 articles about the let-be case. I think the first thing to say is that doctors are human,”

so we suspect to the same biases and temptations as everything else. I think the biggest failure in that is the police allowed the doctors to investigate these deaths and mutler in homework. Dr. Hammond says that it is clear that doctors wanted the police to see things their way and to ignore other issues that were plaguing the unit. He tells me about the flurry of emails, the seven senior pediatricians from the Countess were sending each other. Right as the police

investigation was getting underway. They're saying, you know, we've got to make sure the police act on this and we'll cut this bit out and hear our suggestions what are yours and it's clearly they're gaming the information. They actually say we want to peek the interest of the police. Specifically, Dr. J. Hammond writes in one of those emails, quote, "Should we highlight explicitly for these cases that LL was an attendance and in close proximity

“to the incubators?" This is after all the basis of our concerns and I think for the police”

to have their interest peaked, we need to have that. And I think that's just wrong that they shouldn't be investigating, but they were trusted as doctors, they were the ones who raised concerns. One of the things I've had to wrap my mind around is that good people make mistakes. The consultants, like even the doctors who were sort of cherry picking information to make it palatable to the police, they were going off of what seems like a gut feeling and out of concern

for patients. I think in my interactions with Dr. J. Hammond, I first started investigating this,

he appeared to me to be very genuine in his beliefs. However, they spun the information. They removed bits about the babies being really sick and then not having enough staff.

praise their contributions. In an interview with the observer, Hughes is quoted as saying the doctors

“were the golden thread of the investigation, but it wouldn't be accurate or fair to say that”

detectives based their entire investigation on the information provided by the doctors far from it. In fact, Operation Hummingbird doesn't truly kick off until detectives are introduced

to a completely different doctor, a doctor who's never set foot in the Countess of Chester Hospital.

But one who becomes indispensable to the investigation. He's the man reporters would take to calling the Welsh wizard. This is an email I received from Dr. Dowie Evans last year, read by an actor. I had been briefly corresponding with him in October of 2024 and again in 2022, but he never responded to giving me a formal interview. But that didn't stop him from sharing

“his thoughts via email. Dr. Hammond has no experience of medical legal practice and as far as I know”

has no pediatric or neonatology experience. He's best known as a stand-up comedian and writes

for statistical magazine Private I. As you can tell, he's not Dr. Hammond's biggest fan. The I

is not really qualified to engage on matters as sensitive and complicated as the murder of little babies. Dr. Evans is in his 70s, a grandfather living out his retirement in his beloved Welsh countryside. He has white hair, fair complexion, gold rimmed glasses and a rotating supply of cardigans. Early one Sunday morning in 2017, an article in the Sunday paper catches his attention and in true Dr. Evans fashion, he's inspired to fire off an email.

Nick is a contact at the National Crime Agency, a sort of clearing house that connects expert

witnesses with police departments. I've read about the high death rate for babies in

“Chester and that the police are investigating. Do they have a pediatric neonatal contact?”

I was involved in neonatal medicine for 30 years. Dr. Evans has been out of clinical practice for nearly a decade, but he keeps busy by working as an expert witness, mainly on cases of medical malpractice and child abuse. If the Chester police have no one in mind, I'd be interested to help, sounds like my kind of case. The police agree. Dr. Evans begins work on operation hummingbird as an expert witness in the summer of 2017. Here he is talking on the Raj Prasad and Conversation

Podcast. I said, if you suspect somebody or you suspect some people don't, I don't want to know this is July 2017. What I need is to get the notes of every baby who's died and every baby who's collapsed from January 2015 to July 2016, not just the suspicious ones or the ones you can't explain, I won't all of them. That attitude he goes on to say allowed him to approach the task of investigating in a completely unbiased way. But the records from the police investigation,

the ones detailing Dr. Evans' involvement in the case, they tell a different story, according to Dr. Hammond. And he said, within 10 minutes of looking at the notes of the baby, I knew this was inflicted harm. It's in the police thought, oh, and it was his certainty. Next Monday, our 2026 eye-hard podcast awards are happening live in South by Southwest. We'll honor the very best in podcasting from the past year and celebrate the most innovative

talent and creators in the industry. And the winner is... Creativity, knowledge, and passion will all be on full display. Thank you so much. I heard radio. Thank you to all the other nominees. You guys are awesome. Watch live next Monday at AP and Eastern 5pm Pacific Free at feeps.com or the feeps app. Hi, this is Joe Winterstein, host of the spirit dotter podcast, where we talk about astrology, natal charts, and how to step into your most vibrant life. And I just

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As long as there have been police and investigations, there has been tunnel vision. Tunnel vision is when investigators get so focused on one theory, they may inadvertently ignore or deliberately suppress evidence that doesn't fit. You can think of it as a species of confirmation bias, the human tendency to look for evidence that confirms an established belief or favored theory, and to discount evidence that contradicts it. It's a very dangerous problem,

one that is at the heart of many wrongful convictions, including mine. Even after the true perpetrators DNA was identified in and on the body of my roommate, the investigators and the prosecutor who already believed I was somehow involved ignored exonerating evidence. Like the fact that none of my DNA was ever found in the room where the murder occurred. But they also magnified the importance of irrelevant evidence. Like the fact that my DNA was

found in the bathroom, the bathroom I used every day. It was tempting to think at the time that they were simply out to railroad me, no matter the cost. But I've learned to see that malice isn't necessary to explain that behavior. Just this could make mistakes, because the machinery is run by human beings, and human beings make mistakes. John Sweeney from episode 1, the former

into Lucy Ledby's case. I do not believe that the police did a proper job when they

“took the advice of an expert who knocked on their door. John says that from the very beginning,”

Lucy was the person at the end of the tunnel, and those with the power to accuse her, charge her, and then prosecute her, saw nothing and no one else. And he believes that included their star witness, Dr. Evans, aka The Welsh Wizard. Essentially, the statistics don't make sense. They're wrong. The idea of somebody being locked up, the idea of me being locked up, recrymed, didn't happen, all that you're entirely innocent of. That's a terrible, terrible thing.

And what happens if the wrong? What happens if the doctors have improperly excluded other alternative explanations? John believes that Dr. Evans only helped reinforce the police's tunnel vision, but he was irresponsible with the way he interpreted the evidence supplied by investigators. Especially, the information gathered that showed Lucy was at work for every suspicious incident. You know, you're going to be quite careful with the statistics of it.

John Swaney is not the only one with that opinion. This is Dr. Jane Hutton, a professor of statistics at the University of Warwick. I've been interested in mathematics for a long time, and also in using mathematics to address problems in the real world. Dr. Hutton, like Dr. Evans, was hired by the Cheshire Police to consult with their

investigation into Lucy Lettby. The first I knew, but the professor of background noise was in

about April 2018 when I was asked to get involved. Dr. Hutton recalls that investigators were asking her to find numbers that fit their theory. There initial thing was we'd like you to help us understand the statistical issues, and we would like you to calculate a probability of one member of staff being present. Can you come up with a figure of something like one in a million for probability of somebody being on duty? So I said, well, let's completely wrong way to do it.

That's like asking a fingerprint analyst. Can you come up with an explanation for why these two

“prints match instead of asking them to determine if they are a match or not?”

As Dr. Hutton goes on to explain, when it comes to the neonatal unit and in fit deaths,

finding a cause of death isn't always straightforward. For Dr. Hutton, looking at neonatal death

is a bit like being asked to explain the exact cause of death of a very old person. You know, it can be slightly tricky to think was the kidneys or the liver or the lungs or the heart or the brain. So you don't always get a very clear cause, and also if you could talk about unexpected collapse of anybody in intensive care, you're in intensive care because you're seriously ill and unstable.

And as Hutton says, the babies in the Countess's neonatal unit were sick babies. The best you can be a stable country, too, what was said in the trial that the babies were well. If they were well, they were taking up places they didn't need. Dr. Hutton adds that the information she was given on the babies who died or collapsed was not only insufficient but also incomprehensible. All the deaths and look at all the factors of the

deaths and then you might say, okay, we want to look at twins who didn't die or we want to look at triplets who didn't die or so on. So you've got a comparison group. Without all the needed information rigorously and properly collected, Dr. Hutton could not determine

anything. So I basically said that he's not what I will do because that is the wrong thing to do.

I can tell you what the correct approach is and I did. It's a meetings discussing the correct approach. What was needed and so on? I'll be the first to admit that my brain isn't wired for math and statistics. But even I can tell you you don't need a PhD in statistics to understand what was lacking here. Basically, Hutton needed a bigger sample size. She needed more information on the babies and their

mothers, the pregnancies and the outcomes. For Hutton, cherry picking the evidence that way is

“a recipe for tunnel vision. You need to interpret them correctly. You need to be very aware of cognitive”

bias and the risks of bias in people looking for evidence. But Dr. Hutton says her warnings seemed to fall on death years. And then essentially it went quiet and I would get the old trickle of who we're waiting for the current prosecution service. They might have different views about evidence. So just went silent. In fact, the next time Dr. Hutton heard anything substantial

murder when you have no evidence. Dr. Hutton might have had real trouble with the task she was given

by the police. The Dr. Dally Evans, he would go on to be the prosecution star witness. Just before the trial, the doctors at the Countess helped police piece together a graph. On one side of the graph, the babies who had collapsed or died. On the other, a list of the nurses on staff and right down the middle under Lucy's name, a column of X's. She was there for every single suspicious incident. But for Dr. Hutton, that graph proved nothing. Well, all the graph shows

is Leppy was present when she was present. It doesn't actually show you anything other than that.

“You know, one thing that this raises is the question of why Lucy, why are they targeting her?”

I'm back speaking with journalist John Sweeney. Is it just because she's conveniently a young woman who's there at the wrong place the wrong time? Why are the police willing to assume criminal intent or criminal fault, criminal wrongdoing? I mean, and I ask this also from a very personal place, right? Because I also, you know, to this day and like, why me? What was it about me that like made the entire world think that I was some kind of insane murder orgy? Why? Why?

So what happens with Lucy is I think she's just like you were, you were very unlucky and I think

“she was very unlucky and she was the wrong woman in the wrong place. And then you've got the”

police, now the police like nailing mass murderers. You've learned from Mr. Experience so you've got to come out and you've got to come out fighting. You do. Because otherwise, it's an area that is this boulder that rolls down the hill and you can't stop it. The more momentum it gets, it's true. It's fair to ask why Lucy was the target. From our work and other investigations into her case, it's clear there are problems with the investigation and the tunnel vision of the police seems

obvious, but not completely unfounded. Even if it didn't prove that she was guilty, Lucy was in the

“wrong place at the wrong time a lot. And I can see how that might give rise to suspicion.”

And there was more. Because on the day that the police searched Lucy's house and office, they discovered something that seemed like definitive proof of her guilt. On post-it notes, on sheets of paper and at her diaries were words and scribbles written by Lucy that pointed to the evil

the police believed lived inside the young nurse. Basically, as a note saying, "I don't deserve

to live. I killed them on purpose because I'm not good enough to care for them." And then in capital letters leaping out at you, "I am evil. I did this." That's a very striking visual piece of evidence for the jury. So we got that very early on and of course, you look at that and you think, "Well, this could be game over already." You know, this person's literally confesses to what she's done.

Next on doubt, the case of Lucy Letbe. This is the cleavidence cannot lie. Inselin testing from this laboratory should not be used as evidence of poisoning. They knew that what they were doing was not the proper way and should not be used as evidence in the case, but yet they did it anyway.

And then finally, Judge comes in or eyes. We all stand up and that's the start of the court day.

It was a woman accused of the murders of seven babies. You're going to see her in person. The case of Lucy Letbe is brought to you by Vespucci, I-Heart Podcasts and Knox Robinson Productions.

Kathleen Goldhar, and Natalia Rodriguez. The co-producers were Clucy de Oliveira and Lucy

“Ditchment. The assistant producer was Ami Gil. Senior producer is Natalia Rodriguez,”

audio mix by Tom Bittel. The theme music was written by Tom Bittel. Story editing by Kathleen Goldhar, legal advice was provided by Jack Browning. The producers at I-Heart Podcasts are Chandler Mays and Katrina Norvel. The executive producers were Joe Meek, Amanda Knox, Christopher Robinson, Daniel Turkin, and Johnny Galvin. Thank you for listening.

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