The Verdict

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Listen to mine games on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. If you can hear me on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Before we begin, please be aware this series contains discussions around infant deaths and other difficult topics. Please take care while listening. We won't bring you this very urgent breaking news because the neonatal nurse Lucy Letbe has been found

guilty. The nurse Lucy Letbe has been found guilty of murdering seven babies and attempting to murder six others while they were in her care at a hospital in Cheshire. The nurse who should have been

“in charge of caring but tiny babies is now the most prolific child killer in modern British history.”

In August 2023, Lucy Letbe, a young neonatal nurse, was convicted in England of murdering seven tiny babies and attempting to kill six more. The case shocked the nation. A year later, she would be convicted again for the attempted murder of a seventh baby. She's been handed 15

life sentences all without the possibility of parole. Meaning, as this case stands, she will never see

the outside of a prison again. Case closed, right? Well, maybe not. Lucy Letbe's convictions are now being contested. In the nearly three years since her conviction, there's been a re-examination of evidence and an outpouring of revelations, prompting many to re-evaluate the case for her guilt. Not just members of the public, but lawyers, politicians, and some of the most eminent doctors in the world. Today, this case is like an open wound

that has divided England with opposite views competing with one another across the media. This was a cruel, calculated, and cynical campaign of child murder, involving the smallest and most vulnerable of children. We did not find any murders. In all cases, death or injury were due to natural causes, or just bad medical care. Like, they can't both be right, can they, and yet we are now in a situation where there are two parallel worlds.

When Lucy Letbe was first convicted, there were news headlines that flickered and vanished

in the U.S., but I couldn't get the story out of my head. A young, attractive woman accused of some

calculating killer, the unexpected face of evil. I read headlines like that and the back of my neck

prickled. For the British media, said the same things about me. Foxy Noxie, sex, lies, and murder, killer abroad, she devil. My wrongful conviction in Italy played out 15 years prior. That experience taught me a lot about how law enforcement can get it wrong, how judgment can set in, and how stories can shape and obscure the truth. Soon, a study flow of messages came into my inbox, my DMs, friends, journalists, strangers,

“and the refrain was, "You need to look at this one. The evidence doesn't stack up."”

The more I looked into this case, the more clear it was to me that inside this complicated story,

the police investigation, the 10-month-long trial, one of the longest and British history. There were still many unanswered questions. Was Lucy let be evil? If not, why did these infants die? And how could a justice system and a nation become so convinced that they locked away the most prolific child killer in British history? I've sat in a cell condemned as a monster, while the world moved on certain it knew the truth.

“Satisfied with easy answers. I'm allergic to easy answers.”

I wanted to understand what had happened in this hospital in the north of England. And so, I started asking questions. I'm Amanda Knox, and from Vespucci and I Heart Podcasts, this is doubt, the case of Lucy Letbe. Episode 1, the verdict.

When I first started looking at the media coverage of the Lucy Letbe case, what struck me wasn't just

the evidence. It was the narrative. How quickly the headlines seemed to agree on who she was and what the story meant. That kind of consensus doesn't happen by accident. In November 1972, two researchers, Maxwell McCombs and Donald Shaw, were studying how people

“decide what matters. Their work suggested something powerful, that the mass media tells us what to think”

about. That idea became known as Agenda Setting Theory. When a story dominates the headlines, it can take on a life of its own and feel impossible to challenge. Believe me, I've been trying to undo the damage the media did to my reputation for 18 years in counting. August 18, 2023, this was the day Britain stopped. The end of the trial of neonatal nurse Lucy Letbe

in the northern city of Manchester, one of the longest in British history, having run for over 10 months. British and international media were waiting for the verdicts. You've got to have material ready to go. All the TV stations outlet. So when we get the verdicts, whatever they are, we've got to have news ready to roll. Kim Pilling was one of only a handful of reporters who had been inside the actual courtroom

every day of the long drawn-out trial. He had to prepare two versions of the story. One for guilty, one for innocent, two completely different realities. One of which would become the accepted truth. The other discarded as a lie. I'm maybe breaching magical things here, but to be adult about it, that's the way of the world.

to two verdicts. And the media pressures now are so great. That's too late. They won.

“Things more instantly. A seasoned reporter for the Press Association,”

Kim has covered many trials in England. He understands the weight of a lay jury's decision and how it can define a narrative. Two things were going to happen. One, if he was not guilty, then she, I've no doubt, would have gone out of that dark, and then, you know, not very long after, she would have gone out onto the court steps at Manchester to Crown. And she would have told the world's media that, you know, my life has been destroyed by the Crown Prosecutor says,

"Chash your place, certain people at the Count of Chesapeise are possible. It would have heat all the

blame this unto me, who I've never done anything wrong. I've no doubt that would have happened

if he'd been cleared. If she was going to be found guilty, then, and so it followed,

“it was going to be the headlines that we're all going to be there. An angel of death,”

like that, evil like that, months like that. So totally, two to completely different realities there." When the verdict finally came, the alternate reality Kim had already drafted. The one where Lucy let be walked free was instantly erased. The other version, the one labeled guilty, became the only story anyone heard. Within minutes, every major outlet, from local radio stations to national news outlets to ministers in the houses of Parliament, echoed the same headline.

This is what it sounded like. She's guilty. The jury's found Lucy let be guilty of murdering seven babies in attempting to murder another six. That moment of certainty, one narrative takes hold in the other vanishes, wasn't lost on journalist Clucy de Oliveira and Rachel Evive, who followed the trial from a distance from this side of the Atlantic. The higher conviction was front page news everywhere. Absolutely everywhere, and then subsequently her tendency a couple

of days later. Like this was how many many people first learned about the case. They learned about

that it happened by seeing the picture of this woman on different pages described as the most evil woman in Britain and the worst serial killer babies in modern times. That was the first impression, that was what people knew about Lucy let be. I mean, it was everywhere. It was in the daily

“mouth for sure. I think I counted more than 100 stories about the case in the Guardian. It was a”

course of national fixation of a level that felt like you know the equivalent of the OJ since in trial. It was a huge media phenomenon. The police then the law courts and the jury set the narrative

which was then taken on and reinforced by the media. I want to ask what your reaction was when you first

heard the news about the verdict in Lucy's case. I guess I wasn't that surprised and if I was in the courtroom on that jury I probably would have found her guilty. A family doctor for 20 years, Dr. Phil Hammond is a columnist for private eye. The much-vaunted magazine famous for its biting satire, where he writes about medicine under the pseudonym MD. The media had been running with their burn that which had lines for a long time. So it was interesting and again

you will know this from your own experiences that they take a quote and they stick it in a 30 commas evil murdering which deserves to rot in hell or whatever. And so there'd been a pre-endless panorange of that. Yep, he's not wrong. The stakes for me almost felt personal. Most people had accepted my guilty verdict when it was first announced to the world and now they were doing the same for Lucy let be wholesale. But just as in my case there were a handful of people

just a few at first who weren't convinced and they started to ask questions. Hi, this is Joe Interestine, host of the spirit daughter podcast where we talk about astrology, natal charts and how to step into your most vibrant life. And I just sat down with a mini driver. The Irish traveler said when I was 16 you're going to have a terrible tie with men. Actor storyteller and unapologetic aquarium visionary. Aquarius is all about freedom loving

are misunderstood. A son and Venus in Aquarius in her seventh house sparked her unconventional

“approach to partnership. He really has taught me to embrace people sleeping in different rooms on”

different houses in different places but just an embracing of the isness of it. If you're navigating your own transformation or just want a chart side view into how a leading artist integrates astrology, creativity and real life this episode is a must listen listen to this spirit daughter podcast starting on February 24th on the iHeart Radio app Apple podcast or wherever you listen to your podcast. What if mind control is real? If you can control behavior of anybody around you, what kind of life

would you have? Can you hypnotically persuade someone to buy a car? When you look at your car, you're going to become overwhelmed with such good feelings. Can you hypnotize someone into sleeping with you? I gave you some suggestions to be sexually roast. Can you get someone to join your

“cult? NLP was used on me to access my subconscious NLP aka neuro English programming is a blend of”

hypnosis, linguistics, and psychology. Fans say it's like finally getting a user manual for your brain.

It's about engineering consciousness. Mind games is the story of NLP. It's crazy cast of disciples and the fake doctor who invented it at a new age commune and sold it to guys in suits. He stood trial for murder and got acquitted. The biggest mind game of all NLP might actually work. This is real. Listen to mind games on the iHeart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to the A-building. I'm Hans Charles, our mental equilibrium over.

It's 1969 Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr. have both been assassinated. At Black America, he was out of breaking point, writing a protest broke out on an unprecedented scale. In Atlanta, Georgia at Martin's alma mater, more house college, the students had their own protest. It featured two prominent figures in Black history. Martin Luther King's senior and a young student Samuel L. Jackson. To be in what we really thought was a revolution. I mean, people would die.

1968, the murder of Dr. King, which traumatized everyone. The FBI had a role in the murder of a black Panther leader in Chicago. The story is about protest. It echoes in today's world far more than a chip, and it will blow your mind. Listen to the A-building on the iHeart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

“What do you do in the headlines don't explain what's happening inside of you?”

I'm Ben Higgins, and if you've been here, me is where culture meets the soul, a place for real conversation. Each episode, I sit down with people from all walks of light, celebrities thinkers, and everyday folks. And we go deeper than the polished story we talk about what drives us, what shapes us, and what gives us hope. We get honest about the big stuff. Identity when you don't recognize yourself anymore lost, that changes you purpose when success isn't enough,

peace when your mind won't slow down, faith when it's complicated. Some guests have answers. Most are still figured out. If you've ever felt like there has to be more to the story, this show is for you. Listen to if you can hear me on the iHeart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. It's a horrifying thing to imagine that a nurse, someone trusted to care for babies and save their

lives, could instead deliberately harm them. But in court, the prosecution's case was supported by the doctors who worked with Lucy Leipi and the evidence of seven medical experts. The defense didn't call any experts to counter that narrative. Perhaps because there was no hard evidence. A lot of smoke, but no fire as it were. No one actually witnessed, let be harming any babies. And as my lawyers initially argued, zero plus zero plus zero, still equal zero.

But that argument didn't work in my first trial.

So there was layer upon layer of, "God, how can she possibly be innocent amongst all this?" So I did write my first piece in private. I was actually to say, "Let be lessons. Why don't we listen to whistleblowers?" Isn't this appalling? Seven experts appeared for the prosecution, none appeared for the defense, and seven doctors who worked at the hospital stood up and said,

doctor or medical expert appeared. So purely on the numbers, you know, as sometimes in a jury or

baffled by all the science and it was complicated. But if you think this is 14 zero, you got 14 experts, her peer thinks she's guilty zero, speaking out for her. Therefore I think on the balance of probability she's guilty. Phil Hammond's logic was the same as most of Britain's few people would be bold enough to question the testimony of so many doctors. On the day she was convicted, I'd switch it, sometimes the law gets it wrong. But to understand how doubt begins,

“you have to meet the people who won't stop asking questions. One of them is John Swinney,”

a bear of a man, a decorated reporter who is directly confronted Vladimir Putin and others, a self-confessed professional troublemaker. During the day she was convicted, I was in Ukraine where I got a flat jacket and a helmet and I thought, "I want to eat this,

I want to put my flat jacket and a helmet." And the first person to call me was my agent,

I'm free and he said, "Put that fucking tweet down now." And I said, "No." And I mean, Ukraine, then you can't get me. When we talk, it's summer, and John is sitting in his retreat, his caravan. He has a big mug of tea in his hand, his laptop balanced on a low table. John tells stories inside stories. Most start with an investigation he's chasing, or his beloved

“Liverpool football club, and they all take the long way round. But they usually start or end with a”

fight for justice. He knows my story, too, the hell that played out in my life in a city in Central Italy in 2009. I heard, I heard this, as we talk about Italy and his friends there, John suddenly leaps up as his neighbor shouts. His dog is on the loose. Then a minute later, he appears at the door with his sheepish dog. And the conversation picks up exactly where it left

off. This is John, unstoppable, always chasing something. Be that a dog or a story.

On the day of Leppi's conviction, he tweeted out a link to a blog post, whose author will hear from later in this episode. And he wrote, "This piece by statisticians sets out the evidence that Lucy Leppi may well be the victim of a miscarriage of justice. That the crown

“has taken a cluster of accidental or natural deaths and pointed the finger at Leppi.”

There is no compelling evidence of a single murder. The law sometimes gets it wrong." And I got a ton of abuse from that tweet and so much so that my literary agent, my book agent, I'm free as a good bloke. So take that tweet down. You're getting slaughtered. You're losing your sonning in the public and I'm a war reporter. So I'm kind of used for people shooting at me and being nice to me. It's kind of what I do for a living but it did not feel good

being abused and people were saying, "How dare you, you're disgusting. You're what about the children." John's tweet set off a firestorm. He was accused of cruelty of disrespecting the victim's families and worse because at the heart of the story are unimaginable losses, brand new lives gone too soon and parents living with pain that words can't hold. When a story touches that kind of grief, questioning it becomes taboo,

even asking what if can sound like heresy. And so anyone who raised doubts about the verdicts was branded a conspiracy theorist. "John, delete. I'm following you but this is ridiculous and a gross misjudgment post today." Imagine if the bereaved families read this. They've sat through harrowing evidence of how their child died and came face to face with the person guilty of their murder there. But John was no stranger to medical murder cases gone wrong.

In the early odds, he'd been one of just a handful of reporters, doggedly pursuing answers in the case of Sally Clark, a mother convicted of murdering two of her sons. The case against Sally Clark was held together by a deeply flawed statistical argument, which was picked apart after her conviction. When the evidence for one son's murder fell apart,

conviction. She was freed and her exonerations set off a public reckoning that saw the wrongful

“convictions of other mothers overturned as well. In the summer of 2023, for John and others,”

the Lucy that be case felt an awful lot like Sally Clarks. Doubt has a way of spreading. Dr. Phil Hammond initially accepted the verdicts, but he would soon shift position after he received a letter from a neonatologist who'd been lined up to give evidence for Lucy let these defense team.

For reasons that are still unclear, the expert was never called to speak in court.

Professor Michael Hall, who was the most senior, neonatology expert in the whole trial, far more so than the prostitution experts he'd retired in 2018, whereas one prosecution expert had stopped seeing baby and retired in 2009 and other had stopped being a top-level neonatologist in 2008. So he was the most expert person and he read to private art great length and he said,

“"I read your piece. I think you're wrong. I think at the very least she had an unfair trial.”

I sat through the entire trial. I read all the net records. I prepared reports on most of the babies. I think there was sicker than the prosecution betrayed." The letter was enough to start to change Phil's perspective on the case. Quietly, privately, over the coming months, he began to dig deeper. In the weeks that followed the verdicts, only one newspaper ran a piece countering the established

narrative, the jury's verdict. Veteran British journalist Peter Hitchens wrote in his opinion column in the mail on Sunday newspaper, "I wish somebody else would ask this. What if Lucy

“let me is not guilty?" And he added, "Core can make us blind to doubt."”

When Lucy let me was convicted, a single version of events took hold. The one the public saw on front pages and breaking news banners. But outside that spotlight, another story was forming, as yet untold. Quietly, hesitantly, among journalists, scientists, and people who felt something didn't add up. You could call it a split narrative. One dominant and loud. One almost whispered. While the country absorbed the story of the nurse turned monster, a handful of journalists were already

beginning to look again. To ask if the story everyone thought they knew might not be the whole story. We had a month after the trial where there was really extensive reporting about the convictions and the headlines were very much Britain's worst child serial killer in modern history. One headline proof there is the devil among us. Another curry is an investigative journalist, a documentary maker, who started examining the case

towards the end of the trial. There was a very, very powerful narrative off the back of the

convictions, which is understandable in many ways. I don't think we can underestimate the impact that the media coverage in the immediate aftermath of the convictions had. But what I noticed, happened was that two of the consultants who had been instrumental in loosely let be being investigated in the first place, they were vocal. One of them spoke at length to ITV News, another to BBC Panorama, and they gave their narratives. So the general public believed that doctors have been

screaming and shouting about this nurse and believed that she had been harming babies. When in actual fact, the reality when he looked at the documentation is much more nuanced, and that was definitely a narrative that somehow or other became quite cemented in people's minds. The pediatricians who worked on the neonatal unit with Lucy Ledby,

put everything on the line to stop her, they said. But we're thwarted every step of the way.

You can hear the toll this took on one of the doctors, Dr. Ravi Jayram, in an interview he gave to ITV News in 2023. The families and the police have both said to us that they can sit at you to be a hero.

“Do you think the enormity of the part you played in all of this has sunk in you?”

I'm not here at home, I would just stay in my job. Just over a month after this interview, from September 2023, everything went silent. The police and crown prosecution service, or CPS, as it's known in the UK, decided to retry Lucy Ledby for one count of attempted murder

that the jury had failed to reach a decision on in the first trial. And in the UK, if a trial

is pending, all reporting is banned. The idea is to prevent anything being published that might prejudice the case. But given that a narrative of guilt had already firmly taken hold, the press blackout served to silence the emerging voices of investigative journalists who were concerned about the safety of Ledby's convictions.

“Then you have a long pause where nothing can be challenged, and I think that was really unusual”

and that was because of the reporting restrictions that were in place because the ground

prosecution service decided that they would retry Lucy Ledby on one count. It meant that

there was one narrative that had been put out there after the trial and then there was a void. A nuke and others had started to connect with experts in the fields of science and medicine who are using social media to raise concerns about the safety of convictions. Unable to report, they continued to work on the case quietly behind the scenes. What people would do was to engage with journalists that they trusted and talk to them,

“and that's what went on. It wasn't just me. There were other people like Felicity Lawrence”

at the Guardian and later Sarah Nauton at the Daily Telegraph John Sweeney who's known for his coverage of these kind of cases. And so it was an unusual experiences a journalist where you're gathering information quietly and following as things evolved and it started with a few experts who have concerns and then snowballed. Riders, scientists, and doctors based outside of the UK were able to publish and share their opinions in analysis safely online, being outside of UK jurisdiction.

Despite the UK restrictions, there was plenty of debate on social media where people took risks. Some bloggers tried to protect themselves using international domains. A number of these people reached out to me here in the US, saying they thought the let-be case had echoes of my own. I recorded some of these early conversations as I became increasingly aware that there was more to this case than most people realized that the developments would be

worth charting. I'm in a slightly interstate position and I'm not a journalist. I'm just a blogger. Hm. Remember John Sweeney, the journalist in the helmet and flack jacket who tweeted on the day of Lucy Letbe's conviction? Well, when he tweeted, he shared the blog of a statistician called Peter Elston, who had become consumed by the case during the trial. Here he is talking to me back in February 2024. And until very recently I was just a boring old

fun manager who had a bit of an amateur interest in the justice system and this chart, this courage is a justice and then because of my blog I'd written about, well, up until the verdicts were announced. I've probably written about 10 pieces about the Lucy Letbe case and then when the verdicts were announced, all of a sudden the traffic to my blog just rocketed. Peter was concerned that a young nurse was in prison for life for crimes she didn't commit.

His blog became a refuge for others who had doubt. Others would follow the case and felt something about it all didn't add up and they wanted somewhere anywhere to talk about it.

were reporting that Lucy was a serial killer. To get an alternative view you had to look

outside of that and my blog with a base where people could get a slightly alternative view of these. A numerous people have reached out to me about this case because they said that it reminded

“them of what happened to me. What similarities you see between this case and what I went through?”

Well, you're talking about scapegating. It seems to be systemic within the NHS that there is this very toxic culture of scapegating that has emerged in recent decades but yet it's certainly something that I've heard quite a lot about.

The NHS is the UK's National Health Service funded by the taxpayer and free for all.

You're likely to hear it reference to throughout this series. In recent years it's been roundly criticized. What about the media's involvement in this case? How is that impacted at all? There was no reporting by the mainstream of the alternatives by Possess's name is that Lizzie was a serial killer and I suppose if you think about that from the media's perspective. We're now in a situation where I know there are very serious journalists out there who are

absolutely convinced that Lizzie is not a serial killer and there's something at the bit to write the story about the miscarriage. The British journalists who I'm particularly in touch with they can't write the story because of the reporting restrictions. In the silence that followed something unexpected happened. Yes, the loudest voices went quiet but the smaller quieter ones found each other. If a gender setting is about who controls

the storytelling spotlight, what was happening now was the opposite? A story growing in the dark. So thank you so much for reaching out about this case. You aren't one of many people who have

“reached out to me. By autumn 2023, another key voice was saying what many were afraid to say.”

Richard Gill, a retired professor of statistics. Richard is British but moved to the Netherlands decades ago after falling in love with a Dutch girl. It occurs to me is that just a coincidence or is this a coordinated effort among advocates to reach out to people who might be interested. It's not coordinated but advocates do have contact with one another and I'm, you know, like the Spidey and the Middle of the Spiders way. People come to me and I couldn't have them

to other people. Excellent. Richard was one of the first to publicly question the evidence.

Tweeting, writing, connecting experts across continents. Back in 2023 in the UK, many who shared his doubts stayed hidden in private Facebook groups. They were nurses. People afraid to speak. Afraid to be seen as defending a baby killer. Hi. This is Joe Interestine, host of the Spiridotter podcast where we talk about astrology, natal charts, and how to step into your most vibrant life. And I just sat down with a mini driver.

The Irish traveler said when I was 16, you're going to have a terrible time with men. Actor, storyteller, and unapologetic, aquarium, visionary. Aquarius is all about freedom loving and different perspectives. And I find a lot of people with strong placements and Aquarius, like our misunderstood, a son and Venus in Aquarius in her seventh house, spark her unconventional approach to partnership. He really has taught me to embrace people sleeping in different rooms

on different houses and different places, but just an embracing of the isness of it. Oh, if you're navigating your own transformation or just want a chart side view into how leading artists integrate astrology, creativity, and real life, this episode is a must listen. Listen to the Spiridotter podcast starting on February 24th on the iHeart Radio app, Apple podcast,

“or wherever you listen to your podcasts. What if mind control is real?”

If you can control the behavior of anybody around you, what kind of life would you have?

you're going to become overwhelmed with such good feelings. Can you hypnotize someone

“into sleeping with you? I gave you some suggestions to be sexually aroused.”

Can you get someone to join your cult? An LP was used on me to access my subconscious, NLP, aka neuro-Englisted programming, is a blend of hypnosis, linguistics,

and psychology. Fans say it's like finally getting a user manual for your brain.

It's about engineering consciousness. Mind games is the story of NLP. It's crazy cast of disciples and the fake doctor who invented it at a new age commune and sold it to guys in suits. He stood trial for murder and got acquitted. The biggest mind game of all, NLP, might actually work. This is real. Listen to mind games on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

“Welcome to the A-Building. I'm Hans Charles. Our mental equilibrium over.”

It's 1969, Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr. have both been assassinated.

And black America was out of breaking point, writing him protest broke out on an unprecedented scale. In Atlanta, Georgia at Martin's alma mater, more house college. The students had their own protest. It featured two prominent figures in black history. Martin Luther King's senior and a young student Samuel L. Jackson. To be in what we really thought was a revolution. I mean, people would die. 1968, the murder of Dr. King, which traumatized everyone. The FBI had a role in the murder of a

black Panther leader in Chicago. This story is about protest. It echoes in today's world far more than it should, and it will blow your mind. Listen to the A-Building on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. What do you do in the headlines, don't explain what's happening inside of you? I'm Ben Higgins, and if you've been here me, it's where culture meets the soul. A place for real conversation. Each episode,

I sit down with people from all walks of life, celebrities, thinkers, and everyday folks. And we go deeper than the polished story we talk about what drives us, what shapes us, what gives us hope. We get honest about the big stuff. Identity when you don't recognize

“yourself any more loss that changes you purpose when success is enough, peace when your mind won't”

slow down faith when it's complicated. Some guests have answers. Most are still figured it out. If you've ever felt like there has to be more to the story, the show is for you. Listen to, if you can hear me on the I-Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm a member of a couple of closed Facebook groups at Bigger One with AT, or so people in the smaller one have 20, and many of them are nurses, and many of them are people who have

quite close insight into what goes on there. One of them is a former police inspector, and these people do not dare to come out in the public. They are carefully sort of one by one talking to their best friends, and they're very happy when one of their best friends agrees to sort of lessons them for a little while. But yes, the Tumblr media and social media have created an atmosphere where people do not dare to say that they think that they would select the

as innocent. Now I'm sort of famous and I stand up and say that, and lots of people email me that they are so grateful that somebody else is saying this and are loud, and they tell me your kinds of things, and they tell me really interesting things, they find out things, and I put them on to Twitter, and I do think that the atmosphere is slowly, slowly, slowly, shifting, and it's very, very slow. In that silence, a second story began to take shape.

One built quietly, an emails enclosed forums in midnight phone calls, the story of a health system under strain, and a woman at its center. A story we will hear much more about in future episodes. It's been two and a half years since the trial of Lucy Leppi ended. She has exhausted her appeals,

she remains in prison. Yet her case never became yesterday's news. It's as fresh today as it was

on the day Judge Goss, choking back tears, described the violent acts Lucy Leppi had been found

for who knows how long. The discourse around her now couldn't be more different than the one that greeted her verdict. Gone is the mainstream certainty that this is a story about a serial killer brought to justice. And instead is an all-out war fought in the public square between two sides that can't agree on a shared version of reality. On one, police, the prosecution experts, and the grieving families, pleading with the public to accept her guilt. On the other, an ever-growing

number of prominent voices, among them some of the most eminent doctors in the world, shouting

from the rooftops that the evidence doesn't add up, that there were probably never any murders

at all. Over the course of this series, we won't just be cutting through the tangle that has sprung up around this case. We'll be hearing from people directly involved in it, and we'll be uncovering vital evidence that has never been made public before, not even to the jurors who convicted Lucy Leppi. And if we want to understand what happened inside the UK hospital where a nurse was accused and babies died, we have to go there. Next time, we go back to the

start of the story to 2015 to the neonatal unit at the Countess of Chester Hospital where too many

babies were dying and the fingers of two doctors began to point at one young nurse. In later

interviews broadcast on ITV and BBC, they would describe the moment their suspicions turned

“toward one of their own staff nurses. Could she be doing something deliberate?”

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