Breaking Down the 2026 Bunny Bowl

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And as always, I'm joined by my friend Nathan Hubbard.

To recap a Super Bowl without Taylor Swift. But a Super Super Bowl nonetheless. Nathan, how's it going? And how is your Super Bowl Sunday? Well, you know why she wasn't there.

Because Travis Kelsey and the chiefs were. Correct. But do you know where Travis Kelsey was? See, you were at the Super Bowl. I was at the Super Bowl of golf.

Otherwise known as the waste management. So really well at golf in something, right? Travis showed up on the 16th hole, which is a par three hole that's built inside a literal stadium. Like 25,000 people are around it.

And they're going bananas.

Half the crowd is drunk out of their mind and in costumes.

And he steps up in the program and hits it to the closest distance to the hole all day. He hit it the two feet. And the place goes bonkers. And he like did his happy Gilmore, you know, all his moves. And he's playing this week at the AT&T Pebble Beach.

Proam in Pebble Beach, California. Now the reason I'm bringing all this up is because I have it on pretty good authority. That the PGA tour asked her to not show. Not to come. She was going to maybe come and do the round with Travis,

who walked with Brooks Kepka and his influencer wife, Jenna Sims.

“And I think they just didn't feel like they could protect her.”

Because there's so many people who come out to this sporting event. There's 25,000 people in the stadium. And there's like hundreds of thousands of people on ground. So I think they just got nervous about that. But I wouldn't be surprised, Nora.

If she shows up at the AT&T Pebble Beach this week, we may get a tailor siding on a golf course watching Travis actually play. Wow. She didn't go to any of the Super Bowl stuff. He did.

He was in San Francisco for a little bit before he went. So he had a busy week. He was like dancing behind the loud luxury DJ booth to the fate of a failure of remixes. And having a great time, it seemed like.

But she was definitely nowhere to be found. And so maybe that's a similar signature. I'm like, yeah, security concerned for sure. But I love that she dropped Opalate like an hour after he stuck in the T shot to two feet. She's like, all right.

All systems go. Travis, great job by you. What a team they are. Wow. I was not expecting to start this podcast within like 90 seconds.

Have a little bit of Nathan scoopage. It's exciting. Well, how were the vibes? Well, hold on. Hold on.

Hold on. Have you ever first? How good at golf is Travis? He's pretty good in that he's good enough that he gets out. And he's not going to kill people who are surrounding the baby.

“The key to be honest, I had a different bar in mind.”

Yeah. I mean, my sense is that if I had to guess, like. Like, there's a, you know what a handicap is?

Here's what I would say to answer that question.

What I'm understanding of what a handicap is. Is it is a number that reflects how good at golf you are? Right. It's not like his spelling abilities with squirrel. It is a number that the higher it is, the more strokes you get relative to somebody who shoots

even parr. So Travis's handicap. I'm guessing is about an 11, which means when he goes out, the average golf score is like a 70, not average golf score parr on a course, which is like that is. Yeah.

What the good guys are supposed to shoot is like 72. Travis is going to go out and shoot anywhere from like a 79 to a 90. And if you're shooting a 90, there's a decent chance that you might decapitate a nice old person sitting on the course watching you play golf. If you're shooting somewhere between a 70 something and an 85, maybe you probably,

there's only like one or two times where you have to call four and somebody has to duck. So this is making the odds of decapitation sound much higher than my baseline understanding had them at. Listen, my brother is a professional golfer. There's one time when he, on a course, in a tournament,

he's going to play golf.

So squarely, a donctor in the head of all the people it hits his wife. You're not going to kill somebody. Okay. Well, that's good to hear. Well, keep our fingers crossed from that.

Love to do like a five minute golf talk segment at the top of the pot. I wasn't expecting that. This is very exciting. I'm really good at football and I'm dating to who's Swift and I get to be in whatever movie I want.

And also, I'm great at golf. Yeah, Travis walked in. He's like, man, I've been here before and stuck it to two feet and we're getting open. And the video was awesome. It is really good.

I really liked it. Do you want to give? We have to move on to the Super Bowl.

“But do you have like a 30 second take on the video?”

Yes.

My 30 second take on the video is she's incredible.

That ridiculous face she made when the guy when the actor on the Graham Norton show was like, Oh, I just want to be in a Taylor Swift video. That ridiculous face. Most people would be like, Oh, that's there it is. Contrived Taylor Swift.

But from that moment, she spun it into this. So we all started turning. It's just started clicking. Yeah. It's really fun.

I also, I think it had such a sort of whimsical vibe to it. The pet rock in particular really made me laugh. I thought I had a pet rock in a while. And I just didn't know the awkward family photos. It's content site.

Yeah. Yeah.

The whole video is basically straight out of that.

And it's true. Totally. I love everybody participated. Fantastic. And it's like it's what is it's a moment that makes me feel like sometimes I don't

know what to make of the moments when Taylor seems sort of like like she feels too divergent ways about her stardom stuff like this. It just feels like the type of stuff that you would aspire to do if you had that stature of like, Oh, anyone in the world would say yes to me.

“So why don't I take advantage of that in the best way possible?”

Why don't I understand that if I'm sitting on this couch with Graham Norton and an idea clicks about getting all of these people together and making something that like, I have the confidence to believe that everyone would be on board and you can just make it happen. So I thought it was fun. It is fun.

That's the thing. The one thing that I love about this album is I mean, it's like she said Travis is a real yes guy. She can say yes to anything now. It's just supposed to be fun.

Don't overthink it. She pulled a scene on a Graham Norton show got everybody together and they made this thing. And then the last 30 seconds is in while rolling the credits is the intro. Like it was brilliant. It's just great work.

Can we get her making this movie Charlie Xiex is in about four fucking movies. A new trailer just dropped today for this other movie she's in looks interesting. I don't I haven't seen I don't know which one it is. I know. So so it's there's the A 24 one.

But then there's another one where she's in this. She did they just they just released the the single today. It's not the weathering heights thing. There's another one that I just saw. Well, there's weathering heights and there's the moment.

No, now there's another one that you're talking about. Well, there's like seven I haven't seen a trailer for any others than those two yet.

“But remember when we went through that list and did like two Charlie Xiex movies and why?”

Because she has nine different things in various stages of production right now. So this thing it's it's called I don't know how to pronounce it. Okay, so I'm too afraid to pronounce it. It's ERUPC J.A. Oh.

It's a rupture. And like she's stuck in a country and her boyfriend is trying to propose to her. They're stuck because of volcano has erupted and so they can't travel. But there's another woman with whom she's got a past and a history and an interest. It's like a sort of romantic drama.

Yeah. The trailer just I just saw it today and I just how many movies is she going to be in? She is in a lot of movies. I didn't realize that any of these were coming this quickly. So this is coming out in April.

Yeah, I don't know. I'm not holding my breath for the Taylor Swift movie. It just feels like it's been a long time. You know, I think it's going to be like guns and roses Chinese democracy.

It's just never going to get made.

It was like two or three years ago that all of that stuff about Taylor doing the deal

And then the guy was in a like at an award show with her something, right?

Remember some some public event, the head of that studio showed up with her. I don't know. I don't think it was all just bullshit to you.

“I don't think that it was bullshit, but I think things can change.”

And as far as I'm aware of, it's been a long time since it seemed like there was any like real traction in that happening. And it's possible that like maybe now as we feel like she's turning a page to a new chapter in some way shape or form. Maybe that opens up some time when she'll go and do that. I will say that like her movie four days have not been all that successful. And obviously--

What about Valentine's Day? You love them. I do love that movie. Directorially is maybe a different way to go about things. And maybe the results of that would be different. I just like, I don't know.

I'm not telling you that I know. I'm just telling you that if you ask me if I think that Taylor Swift movies are coming down the pipeline. In any way close to the way that they are with Charlie, my answer is no. Well, here we are. Charlie is firing them off.

Taylor is making another single. You were at the Super Bowl. I know he started talking about what we were going to talk about today. You were very excited to talk about the Super Bowl. And I don't think it's because you were formally a beatwriter for the Patriots.

And you went to watch your old beat get relatively as kicked and tossed around a football stadium.

“But I think it was maybe because you saw the Bad Bunny show.”

So I want to hear what was it like to be like.

First of all, how many Superbles have you been to?

Oh gosh. Let's see. What's your body count? My body count is nine. I actually think it might and my nine or eight and maybe eight.

Okay. So you don't mean a lot of these before. Yes. And you've seen when you're alive and there. Like my overwhelming impression of those is you realize just how

made for TV the thing is because sometimes like half the stadium doesn't see you and you see everything come out of the tunnel and the whole stage get assembled and you're marveling at the like production that I will tell you the like the moment when the crowd is going to have time and the grass people.

Everybody is watching on TV is still in commercial break. Right. And the grass people all start totalling out the right field. It was so funny.

Like they're really looked like the oompa loompas were coming out. Yeah. They're like Heidi Klum and one of those Halloween dresses work.

It looks great on the red card. She can't actually move. It really made me laugh. I was like taking pictures and sending to my friends. Anyway.

I don't really know guys, but there's a bunch of people in grass on the stage.

It's like what was the energy like because I always

just know there's always this buzz as it starts to build. There was so much focus on this half time show. Wasn't that what was the vibe inside? So let me tell you a few things. First of all, this it was an interesting contrast because

it felt like the juice for this half time show was particularly significant. It just felt like a lot of people were really amped up for what is this going to be? Are people going to like it?

What kind of statement is going to be made? Is it just like what's the potential for this bad bunny half time show? It felt like a lot of people were incredibly excited for it. Of course it had been polarizing and it just felt like it

was very much on people's minds going into the game. How did it become polarized? It was a bit of a contrast to the game itself. Which I would say felt like a relatively low stake, super bowl.

I would say that this was a relatively juiceless thing. It was a bit of a contrast to the game itself. Which I would say felt like a relatively low stake, super bowl. I would say that this was a relatively juiceless, super bowl of the ones that I've gone to.

Nobody did. Just because both teams had sort of already surpassed expectations and the sand Arnold story is genuinely like one of the most interesting that's happened in football since I've covered the league. At the same time, it just didn't feel like

it was particularly high stakes.

“And I think that energy affected the stadium.”

How do you get fired up over defense, right? And feel goals. Yeah. And also just like their both teams had already surpassed expectations. So I think there was a, ah, it's okay if we win.

Not always in the best way in terms of entertainment value.

Like I was running to the post game press area, which is outside of the stadium. And the people walking out of the game. And now this is maybe has something to do with the fact

“that I think 40% of them were advertising executives.”

Yeah, they're all corporate. It's all corporate schmooz fest there. That's why the energy sometimes sucks. But sometimes, particularly when it's Eagles fans. Right, say that.

Right. Sometimes you feel like that's an audience that's like going out of their minds. And you feel like it's a Super Bowl crowd when they walk out. And at least in some ways, especially once the, you know, emotional climax of the game is happened. People are yelling and screaming and partying and bowl of what?

People just were not doing that. So all of that is to say that it just felt like this,

the half time show is the most important thing that my thoughts on.

Okay. Okay. And so I was pretty amped up for it. It's, it's interesting to me that you mentioned how these things are made for TV. I thought of any one that I've seen.

Checking myself to make sure that that's true. I think yes it is. This was the most made for TV. Yeah. In that he did a lot of looks into cameras and shit that nobody on in the,

I've been a Levi's like, if you're in anywhere other than maybe the end zone where he was, you weren't going to see it, right? Well, and also like. The grass was pretty bushy. Oh, she was especially while he's like down in there.

Anything that was happening, you know, in the pathways of the grass.

You're just kind of seeing like swaying green. You can see anything that was going on. So I was watching and then I also had it. Like I had my headphones in. I had it up on on my stream on my computer in front of me,

which was of course a much more satisfying and like completely best way to see it and we double watched. I double watched. Wow. I double watched.

Did they show up on the screen before they showed the, you know, the only thing. Would are bigger than hate is love or whatever that they flash did,

“did they show his camera angles or anything up there?”

Or if you were in the stadium just watching. They mostly showed lyrics. So they didn't show the feed that that America was watching. If you were in the stadium. No, it was not.

It was not the feed that America was watching. There were moments, but most of the time it was like flashing lyrics. So you had no idea Pedro Pascal and Jessica Alba were. No, you had no clue. We clearly dancing in the casino.

I put this on Instagram. I thought Lady Gaga was the cake. I was just like, she's in there, right? She's in that cake. She was not in the cake.

So you know, there was a little bit of like trying to figure out what was going on. And so I think people who were watching at home had had the right viewing experience, which is good. Like that's, it should be for the people. It needs to be for the people.

We got all kind of camera technology and drone stuff that made all that possible, where he climbed up on the power line and looked up or he did. Like it, it was different than just a flat stage. That's how that show should be. Absolutely.

What is your, what's your like top line review? I mean, my top line review is that it had everything that I want in a super bowl performance. It had bobs. It had great visual aesthetic.

Like the town, the human grass, the way that they sort of moved through everything. It had large scale choreography. It had large scale human bottoms, which every great half time show has. It had fun artist cameos. It had fun celebrity cameos.

It had a tiny bit of danger.

“Like, yeah, that's what those are the like seven things that I want from my super bowl half time show.”

And I got all of them. I thought it was like celebratory. We talked about is he going to make a big statement. Is he going to be inclusive? I thought the like multi flag thing was great.

I was entertained. I thought that is a, I loved it. And I thought that particularly as a display of. Joy and inclusivity, but also power and strength and that little bit of danger. To me, that was the level on which it was a pretty no notes experience.

I thought in particular some of what he did where there were just so many.

He's making his way through the pathways in the grass. And you go past the famous tacos stand. And you see the woman from the Puerto Rican nightclub in New York. And you go to the Casita, which is something that he did. On tour where the celebrity, you know, sort of like the VIP box.

But the celebrities who would go to that show would be in that house. And of course, for this, you have Pedro Pascal and Jessica Alba. And Ronald Alcuna Jr. and Cardi B and a bunch of other people. In there, like to me, what I took from that was yes, this is a celebration of bringing people together. But there also was this implicit.

“If you want to be against me, you are also against all of these people.”

Yeah. This is a pretty big tent. We've got going here.

And I thought that was very powerful.

Yeah. And the whole thing was geared towards that big tent. And the big tentness could simultaneously be something that was unifying. But also be something that felt a little bit pointed. And like he got his message across.

And like that. That was the part that really moved me. I thought. The end where he's walking with the flags. And there's, you know, he's like flanked by all of those people.

Yeah. He's saying the names of the country is, and you see that. The only thing stronger than hate is love. Like, I really, I had chills.

Like, I felt like that was really, really moving.

And the rest of it I thought was really, really fun. I do have two main notes. I have two points of criticism. Just as, but those come on the level of the performance as performance. And not the performance as statement.

“Are you going to read Trump's truth social post about it?”

No, I'm not. No, I'm not going to stay in that guy. Okay, there's like, oh, you were, you weren't watching Kid Rock either. I hate talking about our current president. I like, I hate even saying his name.

It honestly, like, just really puts me in a bad mental headspace. I am going to say the end of that tweet where all of a sudden he's talking about the fucking kickoff rule. Like, the unintentional. It's high comedy. It's really.

Oh, God.

It's the high comedy of an insane fascist.

Not even, not even I watched the, the, the Kid Rock show. By the way, the kickoff rule sucks. It's just insane. Hey, you know what? Totally agree.

Cool man. Oh, God. That's a different podcast. Uh, no, that's not one of my notes. That's not what I'm going to do.

Okay. One of them is, one of them is very, one of them is very predictable. And so I'm going to save it because it has to with Lady Gaga and die with a smile. Oh, God. Die, I have it in the can and two.

Don't worry. How could you do this to us? How could she do it to us? Okay, we'll talk about it.

“It's like, the only thing that I felt like I was sort of left wanting more from was in an effort to,”

it was a very packed performance. Like, there were so many things that happened. We're in the house. We're walking around. We have those guys.

We gave the Grammy away to a little kid. We gave the Grammy to a little kid. There is a literal marriage that happens. He's up on the electrical poles. There are several dance breaks where everyone is shaking ass.

And those parts, I have nothing but, but good things to say about. In the process of putting so much into this 13-ish minute performance. I felt like it was lacking one or two moments that were the moments musically that you latch onto. Right. And then come the high points of the show.

Because nothing lingered. Because very this to this to this to this to this to this to this. And I thought that that drove home that point about unity and collectivism. And this broad world that he's shining light on and showing the strength of. And it is a really, really hard task to do that while also having.

The kind of I'm the center of the universe pop star moments up there. And it almost happened at the very end where the stuff with the flags has happened. The emotion of it I think is at the highest point that it's been. And then he goes into DTFMF. And it's like big huge dance party.

And I needed that to last for like 20 seconds longer.

Yeah.

“I needed that to not immediately cut to commercial.”

Because I just thought that that was a moment of like.

Exuberant catharsis that landed. It landed as a statement. And it needed two more beats to land as music. Yeah. I mean, I think about other Super Bowl.

Performance is some of the iconic ones. There's the U21 after 9/11 where they played beautiful day in MLK and where the streets have no name. And and on what? It's just very funny that like all of this dumb made up racist controversy about. And American person had lighting this Super Bowl after I'm show.

And then the sentence that you just said, which is you too. Not American citizens. Yeah.

Brought everybody together after 9/11.

Well, right. And and and like opened his jacket.

“If you recall at the end and had the American flag on there and all the names of the victims behind it.”

Like I attribute that. I attribute those songs to that moment. I think about purple rain, of course. See you laughing in the purple rain, purple rain, purple rain, purple rain. Which to me is the greatest halftime performance ever in the rain.

And Prince just like. I mean. I don't know that I'm ever going to feel the way that I did about a lot. A live performance that I'm ever going to feel about a live performance the way that I felt about that again. It just was.

I don't know. Just like mind altering for me because it was fucking raining. And I'm still sure that he made it rain. I don't know. He it just prints with something else for me.

But all of those to your point like was tied to like a really big musical moment. I even think about the like. Let's get information. The cold play Beyonce throw. Oh, definitely.

And so so you're right that there are those sort of iconic moments of of song and that this. This one maybe didn't have that you just wanted you wanted what you wanted. You wanted fewer songs and more like moments around each of the songs or what. I mean, it was in some ways the like perfect performance for the lack of attention span world that we're in. Yeah, and and maybe that for a lot of people ends up being a good thing.

I I wanted probably two more moments where. He lingered on something a little bit longer. And I think it's in that sense that the choice to spend as much time on die with a smile of all man. Is my one real what the fuck are we doing. I want to hold you just for a while.

No one does the work like Gaga man. She will show up. She shows up for football.

“Remember that awkward as shit last year, where she's playing and Tom Brady's all around.”

Roger Godell's around the piano and she. Oh, my lord was that some weird. Yeah. No, we are on this weird run where Lady Gaga and post Malone. Yeah.

Show up to every Super Bowl. And I just and she also did the Olympics. She also did the somehow she's managed to keep the I'm alternative and artsy thing. Even though for almost anybody else and and and post is getting close. Like it's not cool, man.

It's like at some point. It's not cool. It's cool to do the Super Bowl, but to do the like side show at these things and to be present and be on screen. That many times we just saw Gaga and the basket. The Grammys the week before.

Yeah. It's a lot at some point. It's cool as like the, you know, songbook True Bedore in a sense from her generation of stars. She definitely.

Yeah, she's definitely decided that I'm going to stay always on, but you're going to see me.

Gaga Sunday to Sunday. Very, very different.

“Very, very different outfits different stuff.”

And maybe that is the point.

Yeah. Well, so, okay. Let's talk about let's talk about diet with a smile salsa version. I love it. No, I we're going to do it.

We're going to do it. I actually thought that like. Once we're in the world where that's happening. I didn't mind the execution of it. I thought her dress was pretty.

I liked when they danced. I think that she. Managed to get through that. Without anything that was destined to become a serious meme. Or it's like, yeah, that's like for greater cringy.

Uh, so props on that. I just like.

And this isn't even about the the representational elements of it.

But it really slowed things down for me, not in a good way. It just felt like such a strange detour. And I swear this isn't just about my feelings about that song. It's okay. It is.

I mean, it is a little bit, but it's not entirely a reflexive. I don't like diet with a smile. So I didn't like this. It's happening on a stage where. Cardi B is like.

Right there feed away from you. She's right over there. She's literally right there. Explain to me why Lady Gaga's on stage. That's what my kids have.

Like rhetorical question.

Yeah. I resent die with a smile fully. And so I was out as soon as I realized what it was. I respect the hustle, though. And I respect the contrast in performances.

It's pretty cool. She is a chameleon, man. She is. But that wasn't the one that I wanted to see. And if I'm going to see that, let me see some other, let me see Cardi B,

who's right there. Like, what, yes, what are we doing? Cardi was a big. Cardi was a big point of confusion to me in terms of. Yeah.

Why she wasn't involved more than she was involved. I guess. So there was the moment where they go into gasoline. I think that was the moment where they were involved. Which I do think would have set the stadium on fire.

I guess Daddy Yankee has like found God and and won't do it. So that wasn't an option. I would have, I think that would have been great. But I guess that's not happening. And then the other person who I was sort of surprised.

But who I just wondered if there were conversations was, you know, Jennifer Lopez has been part of one of my all-time favorite, Super Bowl halftime shows. And is a very famous Puerto Rican in pop music. And so there were just like, I just, it made me start going through the

laundry list of people where I'm like, I wonder if they got a call. Could they have said no? Is that why I'm looking at Lady Gaga right now?

“And I don't think that that's what you want out of a guest appearance.”

I want to know what the threshold is. What is Lady Gaga's? No trigger. That's not for a good question. I mean, she used to do, like, she is sort of a theater kid in that way,

or she's sort of like a NYU student forever in that way, where she pounds the pavement in a particular way. Like, she will just do an appearance if she thinks that that's going to get her songs and her work out there. And I absolutely respect that.

And to be clear, if you're Gaga and you're getting the ask, I don't think you should say no. Yeah. I just don't, and I know that that he has real affection for Lady Gaga, and I love that, and I'm charmed by it, and I relate to it.

I guess I just think that this was a moment to control that impulse that we directed. So we're not listening to dialogue a smile. Do you remember the, like, BTS footage of the Grammys,

“where she goes up to him and scared the shit out of him?”

Well, he was just stable by himself. But so we're back to that, Lee. Yeah. It added some context in color to that, because they obviously had been rehearsing and doing shit.

Well, since that time. And the fact that he didn't engage as much is a reflection of the fact that they had banked hours together

So it wasn't like he was like, oh, so great to see you,

you know, for the first time in a long time.

Like, they clearly had spent a lot of time. It just makes it contextualizes what we saw. Yeah. I also just think that if you, like, he has this connection to Gaga and loves the music and loves the relationship

between Gaga and drag. And like, those are different Gaga songs than die with a smile. And so, like, I love that those two are buds. You know, I love that they have a great working relationship.

“I think that it stems from an appreciation of music”

and Gaga's catalog that I'm just so much more interested in than the song that was chosen. And like, if she'd come and done paparazzi,

which is a song that is referenced in the lyrics

to I like it. And then, you know, maybe Cardi comes up. It just, it, that it would have made so much more sense. And I think it would have been a lot more fun. But I do understand that I have a particular bugaboo

with, with this song. Not me. I have a huge one. Yeah. Well, I mean, I want to hear more of your thoughts here.

But I, did you watch an National Anthem? I did watch the National Anthem. Should Charlie Puth be a bigger artist?

“I mean, he became a bigger artist in a sense”

because I'm sure that was the biggest audience of his career.

So congrats to him for that. Was that performance? How do you say it? Good. It was fine.

I actually thought it was, I thought it was fine. I'm trying to think of National Anthem performances. And part of this is because, you know, I'm standing there getting ready to do my job and stuff. So maybe I'm not as locked in as I should be. That have really moved me.

I don't know. You're just making sure you're, like, on the Wi-Fi stuff. Because, you know, you're going to double watch. I'm just trying to, try to do a little bit of mental gut checking of before I say, but like, I thought it was fine.

I don't really care about the Anthem performance. Oh, sure. There's not something kicking around there that, like, I loved it. That somebody else did. Let, let me tell you what I loved.

It's what he referenced and said was his inspiration, which was the Whitney Houston performance, which is, if it was not pre-recorded. And I think the fact that it was maybe doesn't change it. But I think it's the best performance of the National Anthem that's ever happened.

I think the most interesting interpretation. But like that, Whitney Houston, during the Desert Storm, Super Bowl, National Anthem, it's just un-fuckin' believable. And so he referenced that as his inspiration. And that's kind of, like, setting the bar way too high, man.

Well, and did you, when you were, when you were listening to it? Yeah.

“Before you saw that, did you hear him sing that and go, I think Charlie Pooth is re-interpreting Whitney Houston's interpretation of the National Anthem?”

No. Right. It felt, I don't know, whatever. It's fine. No, I don't want to do it.

I don't want to do it. It was fine. It was fine. There, those performances have been used to make transcendent musical moments before. And that one didn't strike me as such.

It wasn't bad, and we've seen bad National Anthems, God knows, before. But I, yeah. It also had some pace. No, you're right. And it is, I don't want to sound like I'm not taking it seriously.

I also think that part of this is because in a press box with a bunch of sports raiders, while that's happening, all that anybody is talking about, not me. But all that anybody else is talking about is whether or not it's going to go over or under the predicted time duration. Right. Because of the bedding.

Because of the bedding. And he did go under and quite often people trick themselves into thinking it's going to go under. And then it doesn't because somebody just wants to have a big moment and holds it at the end. But he was quick. He had pace.

Can I just, I mean, here's the list of people who've done this of late Charlie Pooth this year.

Oh, I liked Chris Stapleton's. Stapleton's was awesome. Yeah. Stapleton's was really good. That was a moment.

Eric Church, Demi Lovato, Gladys Knight, Pink, Luke Bryan. God, God did it. The last time that it was at Levi's in San Francisco. God, it was performed at the Super Bowl. Like seven times.

I'm telling you. It's crazy. She just shows up for, I mean, it's, it's bonkers. One of those to me, Stan, the Stapleton one is the only one I remember to be asked. You had, like Billy Joel has done it.

Jordan Sparks, Jennifer Hudson, Carrie Underwood. Christina Kelly Clarkson, Alicia Keys. There's some others. But like my point in giving you that list is actually outside of Whitney Houston.

I don't go back and think, oh, this has always been like an incredible moment, the way

“that the halftime shows have sometimes been, right?”

Yes. I think that's true. So maybe I'm going to let Charlie Puthoff the hook and say he did fine. That's all I ask of the National Anthem. Same.

Don't overdo it. Don't show boat on the nation's National Anthem. And he didn't do any of those things. He kept it inside the lines. I just talked to myself out of it.

Wow. I'm okay with it, Charlie. That's great. I was okay with it, too. I also think that he, like Charlie Puth is not really a showboter.

He could have, I guess, he could have done a less traditional treatment of it. Yeah. Yeah. He could have done it. Yeah.

It could have, that could have been interesting, but it also could have gone poorly.

“I think mostly, like, he's got a good voice.”

He had an idea of what he wanted it to be. And he did it in that a bunch of, you know, military planes flew over there. Yes.

Here's what I'm responding to.

Charlie Puth is cool to follow on social media because he does. I mean, he can tell he's trying really hard for the camera, but he breaks down a lot of music in interesting ways. And he's very thoughtful about the way that he creates and communicate. Can I make something clear? I'm pro-puth.

Yeah. Yeah. I'm a pro-puth individual. What I was just going to say was, I don't think he has, like, a stellar voice. I don't think it's like a voice of a generation.

I think it's interesting. And it's technically good. I don't think it's like, um, oh, yeah. Evocative in a voice of a generation type of way. But he is a skilled enough vocalist who has the range to do the national anthem, which is a difficult song to sing.

Yeah. It is a difficult song to sing.

“And that's why I think you either have to make it whole year on the way stable to did.”

Or you got to be able to bust out the motherfucking runs, like, carry underwood did. Right. And anybody else to me is probably somewhere in between. Right. It's enough. I, I talked myself into it being what I want from a national anthem. I didn't think his voice didn't, like, give me the, I didn't get the chills from this one.

But that's okay. Yeah.

It doesn't always happen at the Super Bowl.

And again, like, he's just not someone who I think's. Charlie Poof, I think when he's at his best is making interesting music, fun music, music that is sort of smarter than it feels like it is on the surface level. Right. Right.

And then he again is pretty fucking. That's true. That's true. That's true. Chill down your spine.

I don't think of that as, like, I think of that as in a weird way sort of outlier Poof and not. Well, maybe you give it to Wiz Khalifa. Yeah. With Poof on the course. But yeah.

I mean, he's, I don't know that he should be a bigger artist. I think he's right where he should be. But it was appropriate that he did the thing. It was appropriate that he did the National Anthem. Let's put it there.

Can I just come back to this bunny performance because one underrated component of it? Is it's very rare that these people have to do the show in daylight? Yes. Even next year, when the Super Bowl will be in LA, presumably at the same time, it's going to be in an indoor stadium where things can be black.

Well, and also in a newer stadium where, and like, I like the old stadiums and I like the outdoor stadiums better, I don't, I think. So if I is very beautiful in a lot of, or to the extent that a football stadium can be beautiful, there's something about the glass and blah, blah, blah, blah. But like, I like the old stadiums that just feel like football stadiums.

One reason why I don't think that the people in the stands were getting much of the feed that people on TV got is because there isn't a big, giant video screen.

next year, and does in a lot of the stadiums where where they do the half-time show.

These indoor stadiums are just functioning with different amounts of pixels that they can put in front of people's eyeballs. Well, it's hard to do, and it requires like you can't hide as many sections and actors and players and set production design, all that stuff like you can in the dark. Like Beyonce's, like, where there was lots of stuff that.

Or Kendrick's where it like all that stuff with the video game controller. That would not have been possible to do.

“And that's why I think leaning into having it be something that really functioned at its highest level”

for the TV audience was smart because then you can use the smaller camera angles and the close-ups to have something that feels dramatic and where when you are close in,

people don't know what's going on on the other side when they're changing the set.

And all of that I think can be a stand-in for that. It was a performance that had me thinking a lot about like, does this half-time show exist in the same way? I'm just laughing at my Taylor Swift-centric view of the world. But like, it had a lot of Easter eggs.

Yeah. I thought the kids sleeping on the chairs during the party that so many people with Latin heritage are going to, like, really respond to is just a thing that's a staple of social events. I thought the, like, the toad that is a particular type of toad that is increasingly endangered in Puerto Rico because of over-development.

The power, like, all of those things that created this, like, really rich visual world.

Those are Easter eggs. And, like, most of the time, I loved it. There is this, like, little part of me that's, like,

“are we giving over too much of performance to these things that are ultimately consumed 30 minutes later on the internet?”

And not even as the video. It's, like, the, you experience the show while you watch it. And then you experience it again, looking at social media a little bit later. And people show you all the things that all the little details that you missed. Yeah, that's, like, the show was built for that.

It was supposed to be. Most of me likes that. And a small part of me thinks it takes the focus away from. What are the moments that we can create that are going to be experienced during the 13 minutes? While someone is locked up.

Right. Right. And this is less specifically about. Like, for instance, one that really worked was the electrical pulse. Like, that, you knew you didn't need no one needed to tell anyone what that was.

I thought the dancing, the way that the people were like falling down and then coming back up. It was really visually resonant in a way that. It was able to hit home alive. And like, to me, that's the best version of that. And the versions where you need people, where there's, you know, where it's sort of about.

Playing where as well, though, a little bit afterwards, like, I don't know.

“It's very common now, so I think that's maybe why it's a little bit.”

I mean, it felt safe for me because I could just watch it knowing that any shit I didn't pick up. I was going to see it all and I was going to get it explained to me. So I didn't have to be like, what the fuck? Like, what, wait, what was that, was that the kid? Was that the kid that I used? No, child actor. Okay. Like shit like that. I could just sit there and enjoy it because I'm going to get the full breakdown.

It's not the only content. I don't just felt easier to. So for you, it opened to that. I can just be present. Yeah. Yeah.

Because some stupid fuck on the internet is going to explain this shit. It's going to tell me everything afterwards. Because I'm the dumb fuck who didn't get it. This stupid fuck's going to explain it to me. I think that is that that's the optimist's way of explaining that phenomenon. I have a little bit of like, I wonder if there is an opportunity cost of making sure that that is so possible that it takes

something of the focus on just what you experience away. Right. This is more of a comment on the state of live performance in general than the specific choices of this half time show. Well, I think we should immediately turn our attention to who's going to do it next year.

It appears to me that Travis Kelsey's going to play one more year, football.

Same.

“And I have been of this opinion, as you know, since she did not show up to his last game.”

And it just made no sense that he was going to retire and she wasn't going to be there for his last game. But that's just my dumb shit. He seems to be figuring it out. So it would be not necessarily taking the spotlight away if she performed and it could be a little bit of the celebration. I, you know, who knows. She'll figure out a way to fucking do something interviewed and speaking of Easter eggs and all that if she did. So Taylor is one possibility, right?

Harry Styles. Yes, although if you take her out her word that she doesn't want to do it while he's still playing, then. Chiefs ain't making the Super Bowl next year. He's not going to be playing by the time she does that show. Okay, but when she spoke about this exact thing. Yeah. And again, if we're taking her out her word, which I'm usually not doing.

Yeah, what are you talking about? Then I don't see why it would be different, but that's just, that's just me stating facts. That's not me saying that I necessarily disagree with you that she could change her tune on it. So could be Taylor. Um.

Harry. Harry's interesting one. I don't know why I just don't think that that's going to happen. Yeah, I don't either. Maybe it's in the place for it.

Um. Moona. No, come on. I love Moona. Um, I don't think it's going to be Moona.

That would be, that would, then we really have to live it out. Boy, genius take their shirts off. Boy, genius Super Bowl.

“That's why it's sponsored by turning point.”

Phoebe wears the jersey and pads that has the skeleton on it. Oh, that really good. Uh, I don't think that it will be boy genius. I mean, it could be a big country thing. Like, well, so this is a, this is a big question to me.

Morgan. And there's a, if you go down the list of artists who are currently popular at a similar scale as a tailor or a bad bunny. You are going to arrive at Morgan wall and very quickly. Yes.

I don't know that it would be, I don't know that I don't, I, I don't think that's going to happen. And it's not because it would be seen as like a rebuttal to the choice of bad bunning this year. I don't think that's what it would be about.

I think that right now, the NFL basically cares as a corporation about one thing.

And it is international growth. And I think that Morgan wall in and a lot of countries popularity is too concentrated in the US. At a time when they feel like they've pretty much got people here and growing the game outside of this country is is what is the priority. By the way, that's why, like, I'm not saying I give the NFL zero credit for having a super bowl where the artists that we heard from were bad bunny, green day, Brandi Carl L and Charlie booth. I don't forget about Ricky Martin.

And Ricky Martin, oh my god. I thought Ricky Martin was fabulous. He looks fantastic. He looks unbelievable. Why are we saying in La Vita, Loka, if we're bringing out Ricky Martin?

I thought that having him do Hawaii though was really, like, kind of poignant.

And powerful to have him do the sort of, like, anti-state hood reflection and to do something from Bad Bunny's catalog was really, really cool.

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“I think it's going to be Olivia Rodrigo.”

Oh, that would be fucking cool. Wouldn't it? That would be really, really great. I mean, they should throw a bone to the pop girls. That's what I think.

Wow. Maybe a few little cameos from some of the Olivia friends. Yep. I'm going to get Conan Grey at the Super Bowl. Maybe just standing in the background.

But yes, Olivia Rodrigo is my dark horse bet for the 2020 Super Bowl in Los Angeles.

I have the same comment about, I just think that they are hyper-focused on an international audience right now.

And I don't know that she helps them in that. Respect all that much, but it's a really good dark horse pick.

“I guess I'll make Ariana my dark horse pick, but I think that you're more likely to be right.”

Billie Eilish is also from Los Angeles. Could Billy? Yes. Can Billy play to that audience? Yes.

Can Billy be that Normie and that pop?

She can, what are you talking about? Did Gaga do that? Tonight, or last night, or to whatever data? In her, in her show, in her Super Bowl show. Yes.

Okay. There's a fair amount, now I look. This was a high watermark for the amount of ass shaking that goes on in a Super Bowl halftime show. There has to be some.

“And my question with Billy is where does she, where does she check the box?”

It's the dancers. It would have to be the dancers. Yeah, I'm not saying she can do it. I'm just saying that that's the challenge of a Billie Eilish halftime show. Olivia Rodrigo is my bet for 2020-26.

Okay. I kind of think that we should end things here. Oh, is it a great Super Bowl recap? I really, I'm so excited to talk to you about it. I know.

“I really, I really got, frankly, more out of that time show than I did out of the game.”

So did I. But I'm happy for everybody who got to participate in everyone should feel very proud of themselves. See you down here next year. Let's do it. This has been every single album.

As always, I'm Nora Princeyaddy.

He's Nathan Hubbard. Thank you to Kai and McMillan for producing this episode. And we'll talk to you next week. Bye. You've been doing this for the whole time.

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