New Music Roundup: Charli xcx, Noah Kahan, Bleachers, and Lana Del Rey

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By my friend Nathan Hubbard, who I know is gonna have a lot to say about the first thing that we need to just touch down on. We're going to go through some new music today from Charlie XCX on the Weathering Heights Soundtrack

from Noah Cahon, maybe from Bleachers, a little bit of late breaking Lana Del Rey. There's a lot going on in the music world. However, adjacent to the music world. Many of our listeners really made sure

that I was aware of a story

“that I think everyone really wants me to bring up to you,”

which is that I believe this happened over the weekend. I think you can probably film me in on that a little bit. Travis did, in fact, hit someone with a golf ball. (laughing) - You could tell that I was trying to manifest positivity.

- Yeah, the concept. - You have a lot to tell. - On this podcast. Now he chingsed himself. And 11 handicap is very capable of doing some one.

And the problem is, people thought Taylor was maybe gonna be there.

And so there were more people out following his group. - You! - Well, you know what? You're tick it as part of entry, you signed it. You signed a waiver of all ability to sue

if you get dumped by a golf ball. And unfortunately, the pros hit people in the crowd and the pro football player also hit people in the crowd. I feel so badly for that woman who got dumped in the skull. - Yeah. - You could see it coming.

- I think apparently she's okay or okay enough. - It's usually a survivable thing, but it doesn't feel good. I got dumped in the back watching my brother play a couple of weeks ago in Palm Springs and left a nice little purple mark for a few days.

- It sounds really unpleasant.

“I think it's not great. - It's not great.”

- But I just was unaware of how often this happens. And apparently Travis is actually, this has happened to Travis five times. - What do you mean five times? - Well, you know, the New York Post.

In 2024, he had two wayward shots on the same day while playing at the American Century Championship in state land of Adon Lake Tahoe. - Hmm. - A young female spectator in her 20s was left bloodied

when a Kelsey shot on the 16th hole struck her in the head, but she was okay. And then earlier in the day, he'd hit someone in the arm. - And then-- - That's not great. - In July, 2025, Kelsey again,

playing at the American Century Championship, accidentally drove a ball into the neck of an onlooker during a booze filled round. (laughing)

- Look, here's the thing.

You can't be a professional football player and also married to someone or engaged to someone whose job it is to travel around the world and be very good at golf. - I just, I keep--

- I tried comforting. - I tried comforting. - Yeah, the fact that he's done this a million times before, I'm very sorry for the lady. I kind of had a sense it was common. I tried to go positive vibes only.

Mission not accomplished. Don't go watch Travis Kelsey golf. - It seems like everybody's okay. And, you know, it does seem to be, maybe not an occupational hazard,

but an observer's hazard. So-- - They got nets at baseball games to prevent this exact sort of thing. - Right. - They don't do that. - They don't do that on those.

- No, they got nets around the driving range, but it's not out on the course. There's trees and there's people taller than you are.

and not stand there.

- That's a good piece of advice.

Bring your tallest friends to the golf tournament. - Oh, you one, I people hide behind me all the time. That's why I got dunked on the back.

“- Yeah, that's why you're really focused on this.”

Now, it's all coming together for me now. - Can I just, can I just make one right turn on that? - Please. - Which is that, if you remember, there's some video that Taylor posted

where she appears to be playing pickleball. - Yeah. - Or tennis? - Yeah. - So in the, it's like a lavender tennis skirt and it was kind of, it was not that expensive

so it like sold out immediately. - Right, and she had, well, I don't know about the skirt. That's above my pay grade, but I did notice-- - But I did experience one event through the way that it's lodged in my brain

and the way that it's lodged in your brain.

- Yes, I noticed that I think she had a chiefs pickleball paddle branded, you know, that the logo was on it. And so it does suggest that she's at least moving somewhere towards country club sports.

And if this is the greatest thing about golf is that no matter how shitty you are,

“you could still play with my brother who's a pro.”

And you get some extra strokes and you could actually play head to head against him. So you can A, be terrible or good. B, it's a great sport for men and women to play together and people of all, like, anybody can play this sport.

You know where I'm going with this. Like Taylor does not fancy herself an athlete despite the fact that she is an athlete as has been well documented. By grade athletes, like, I don't know, J.J. Watt Nora,

but not if she is in fact. If she is, in fact, moving towards country club sports, including of all fucking things pickleball, surely she must be at least at some point. She has swung a golf club with Travis Kelsey.

Don't you think that they could golf together to hyper hyper competitive people? I just don't know if Taylor actually has the golf swing in her. But isn't that so, I mean, she's pretty tall. You'd think she would have a pro.

Oh, it's really? I like Justin Thomas, who's like a great, a lot of these guys are super short, Rory, not tall. Okay. I mean, the compact Nate now, there's big guys out there

who's the Scotty Sheffler's tall. But I'm just saying, like, there's a lot to pick it up, like, I'd like to see Taylor Swift swing a golf club. I'm just not, I would do because I would really love, like, the way that we get to make a video podcast

out of you analyzing Taylor Swift's golf swing. We would have, I know Mark wants to come on the pod. Mark would be here. We would really go through it. It would be really--

Let's just be clear. If Taylor Swift ever actually goes out and plays in one of these things, do not go. You will get dumped. And to your point, she is very competitive.

And because she is tall and has these long arms, she definitely has some swing speed. I just don't think she's going to have a whole lot of coordinated control, and lacking coordinated control, plus swing speed is a recipe for painful doingx

on the golf course. Sweet, sweet. Wow, I feel like I'm guessing on fairway roll, and it's really fun. That's all I wanted to know.

“I think Taylor Swift is swing a golf club.”

And that tells-- you know what that is? That's real love. Wow. That's beautiful. All right.

Shall we get to our regularly scheduled non-golf programming? Yeah, what are we doing today, Nora? So let's go through some of this new music, because there have been quite a few releases of the non-album variety.

I think that we should start with-- With the album? Yes, although not traditional album. By which I mean, we should start with Charlie X, X. What do you think?

So, first of all, I want to know

how deep into the weathering heights universe you are. Because the soundtrack that she did for Emerald Fennel's movie came out along with the film. I went to see the movie over the weekend. You did?

I did, yes. And Nora's 10 star scale, what did it get from you? So the Charlie soundtrack would get-- No, not the Charlie soundtrack. The weathering heights movie.

Not a lot of stars. Maybe one to two stars. I thought it was a pretty bad movie. Really? Yeah.

And I'm usually not that hard to please at the theater. OK. But so does your disdain for that stipule into the way you think about the music? So if that's one of the central questions of this to me,

because recall that this is Charlie X, X is follow-up to Brad in a sense.

is her kind of trying to avoid that and trying

to take enough of a left turn so that it's not held up in that way. But it factually, it is. This is the next album that she's done. I liked the soundtrack. I did too.

I thought it was very good. I thought the score to the movie, which she didn't do, was also pretty good. So just musically, sonically, it was a pretty good experience overall.

This filmmaker is good at aesthetics. She's good at creating a very hyper-realized visual world. And can also do a through partnerships,

“I think, a certain version of that with music.”

So that was definitely my favorite part of the movie. Was-- It's cool that we've turned this into a movie and golf pot. I know. But I did, but that's just me saying that it was

a substantial part of the movie. It was the things that you hear during scenes and these songs were played at-- they weren't throwaways. It felt like part of the experience of watching it

was listening to the Charlie songs and also the score. So I don't want that to sound like a throwaway.

Like, oh, I hate it every second of it.

But also, yeah, these songs are good. I thought it was pretty good. And I thought it was additive to the movie. So forget the movie.

“Can you divorce the album itself from the movie?”

And I mean, I watched it well like cooking for 12 people. And I've watched it at very funny tone all contrasts. Sorry, I'd listen to it while cooking for 12 people. And so I had no visual I had to get from listening to the music. And my foundational takeaway was, man, Charlie is really good with Melody.

Like, you're right. This is different. And I think intentionally so. But it is-- they're through line is, I don't care. Right?

Like, she writes great Melody. And it is present on this. And I thought that it was a soft landing from Brad. And that I could hear some of the melody that I really liked from Brad without the edge and with more orchestration.

And again, a softer landing here. I didn't-- I mean, there's some stuff that really can fuck off. House-- I'm sorry, I know it's supposed to be cool. And I know we're supposed to like it. By the way, just see this.

Nathan has his hands over his eyes, and he can't even make a thought of it. I, Kai, you can cut and paste everything I'm about to say. And just replay it when we talk about the Lana song. Like, I know I'm supposed to like house. And I know that it's like cool.

And the people involved in it are really cool. But it's fucking terrible. It sucks. But there is other stuff on this album that is not fucking terrible. And it does not suck.

And it is actually really cool. I really like my reminder. [MUSIC PLAYING]

I really like always everywhere.

[MUSIC PLAYING] I like always everywhere a lot too. Yeah.

“And I think this is generally outside of house a really good”

interesting lesson that from a credibility standpoint, she's maybe getting massively overexposed right now with all these fucking movies. I mean, who could be in so many movies? But this is a nice little off-ramp.

In the way that I think Harry probably was struggling with the wrong word, but Harry had to make a choice about what he's going to do after Harry's house. Like, yeah. Grammy-winning album, where do you go?

Do you do Harry's house part two? No. So we're getting a dance record that is more about vibes than melodies. Here, Charlie's and by the way, that's because Harry Styles is great at vibes.

Charlie, I think, is great at melodies.

And that's the consistency that we're getting here. And so I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it more than I thought. And I'm just glad I didn't see this stink as movie house. Most of this does not sound like house.

There's a version of this where that was kind of a good tonal clue for what she was going to do here. And house feels of a piece with the movie. I would say more so than more so actually than a lot of the songs I felt even though I thought that they mostly worked.

Like, chains of love, which is the big one.

Has more, it has more, I could even say it has more feeling than the movie does. And I remember sitting there in the moment that it plays, which is a big moment. And it felt almost like schmaltcy by contrast.

“But I think because I found the movie to be so bloodless,”

that was really nice because there was something that the song made me feel. Something in the movie was not really making me feel a whole lot. And so there's a concept of anchoring. Like, she said her expectations so low that were like thrilled to accept the poop

sandwich because it doesn't, it isn't as awful as house.

Not what I'm trying to say. Oh, okay, sorry. I don't, I find house kind of unlicinable. But I also don't hate it in the same way that you do. Like, I just sort of get that it's doing a different thing.

Like, die with a smile? No, it's like a haunted house soundtrack. It's practically not even a song. No. It sounds like there is a lot of dull lyrics.

Yeah, we'll get that. Good lord, I don't know what's going on. If anybody tries to tell me, no, no, you just don't understand Louisiana. I'm gonna go fucking insane. I spent a lot of time in Louisiana.

I've spent a lot of time in Louisiana. But if that's, that's the fucking idea and sex shit. Just get the fuck out of it with that shit.

“And simply what are there other songs on this record that you're particularly drawn to?”

I really like to change of love. So, okay, I really want to tell you that I totally love eyes of the world because I think it's pretty badass that Charlie got. Skye frayer to be on a song in the year 2026. I think it's fine. But I still think it's cool that she did that.

I do think that a big part of this conversation is the people Charlie XCX is currently aligning herself with because even though I like this, I think this is a successful soundtrack. And I can see myself coming back maybe to my reminder and maybe to change of love. But I don't think in general, this is an album that is going to be revisited in any kind of capacity similar to something like Brat similar to something that is released.

Just music and out of soundtrack. But it's an interesting background track when people are showing up at your house and you're cooking for 12 people. I can tell you that. It's a conversation starter. I'm sure. Yeah, it's it's a bit, um, I don't know.

Maybe a bit like the Rosalie record or, I mean, there's there's culture in it. Yeah. And I, you just don't start with house music about it's nice that it's at the beginning

“for you because you can just go about it. I think the thing that's that to me is the most engaging”

from it is just where she is right now in terms of, okay, this movie, I think some people like it more than I do certainly. It did commercially pretty well. A lot of people went to go see it over the long weekend. And that's certainly not nothing in this environment, right? Like she is attached to a project that a lot of people consumed and got a lot of people talking and engaging with.

I think it helps with the world building. Right. And even if you don't think that it's a successful movie, Charlie's part in it. I don't think is being looked at as certainly the issue at the core and even unsuccessful in and of itself. It's also a week after the moment when into wide release. I don't think a lot of people, I think the people who were going to see the moment

I think have been very bad, but they were pretty good when it was, oh, buy a ticket in New York

“RLA. There's going to be a Q&A afterwards. It's a niche project. You have to get a lot of”

in jokes. I think it's been somewhat polarizing, but people at the ring are like Amanda Dobbins. I was really excited to see have a very positive review of it. Oh, she did. Yes. Yes. And I still, I've been trying like mad to go see this movie and I haven't been able to. And I'm really excited to see it because I think it would actually be a really interesting thing for us to talk about, given the subject matter. But Charlie has spent the last, like, it was kind of Charlie

XX week at the movies. And it's been mixed back. But I think at least for her part, at least a little

bit more positive than anything else. And that's, that's quite a few. That's a win. Yeah. Yeah. Because these are these are the movies, right? Unless they're the moment, but like this is the movie right now that people are talking about. And she has very rapidly and I would say pretty

“successfully made herself a part of the movie world. It poses a pretty interesting question. I think”

for what, like, when does Charlie, how long is this sojourn? This is gone from Charlie took her moment at the center of the zeitgeist and said, I love movies. I want to do a movie project and see how it goes to she's really doing it. And she's really got a lot of stuff going on. And I wonder what that means for the music. Obviously some of this stuff she's in as an actor and other things she's doing music for. She and Jack Antonoff are doing the music for Mother Mary,

which is a film about a pop star starring in Half-Away. That's coming out this year. That I think will be really, really interesting. But I just, I, I just am sort of finding myself zooming out to the big picture and feeling a little bit surprised by how quickly she has gotten so many fingers into so many corners of movie making. Well, she kind of turned herself into the cool kid with Brad, didn't she? Yeah. And there's a cinematic universe that's now actually split off.

She was part of the Taylor one sort of and then there was the schism that happened out in the open on Brad that Lord handled one way and seems like Taylor may be handled another. And now we have an alternate universe that is assembling sort of like dark black leather

“underground, clubbing people. And there we've got a few clearly some crossover folks, right?”

And in Jack Antonoff, I guess. Yeah. I think he might have, I think there might actually be two things that she's currently involved in that he also is. But again, there are 600 projects. Right. He also tweeted today that this Lana song is his favorite thing he's ever worked. I just don't know what to do with any of it. But I think to the extent that there's a lesson, it doesn't need to be about there being a lesson, but I do take a little bit of a lesson from

this, which is like taking swings can really be worth it. Like she would be willing to fail. She's willing to try making a weird mockumentary about what it is to be a pop star right now and how bizarre that is and try to figure out how to do that and make it work. And I think people are responding to that with some generosity towards the moments in which it doesn't because there's a respect for, well, yeah, that's cool. It's cool to see you try. It's cool to see

how this turns out and what this looks like. Do you think I have always thought about her as

a writer and as an underground pop star, but even with Brad, I wasn't sure. Do you think that there are kids who would say she's their favorite? Like, are people getting tattoos on their forearms at 17 years old with Charlie Lynch? Yeah, look, I do think that she has a certain type of privilege of a more niche audience, even still, because most of the people who seriously engage come to it with an understanding of who she is and what she does and what she's trying to do and

therefore I think. Yeah, or just, you know, people who are, I also think now she has to some extent, you know, she has some of the film nerds. She has the the certain type of pop culture of Sessives and it's golf fans, yeah. Totally. But I think, do you know what I'm saying? Like, I think there's a,

Well, I mean, the early ticket sales versus the mainstream public release of the movie tell the story,

which is that there is this group of people who for whom they look, I thought the same thing about Noah Khan, who I know we're going to talk about. I, you know, the great divide to me, sounds like Perth, I mean, there's so much bonnie there through it all and he's working with Aaron Dessner and, you know, I don't know. I mean, it's, it's fine. It's good. It just sounds, you know, was he the big thing in all of a sudden, like, he blew, I mean, the on sale for his tour was

massive, just by any measurement. And a baseball stadium is not a normal football stadium. Like, selling out Fenway Park is not selling out Foxborough. Like, there's two very, very different things. I don't even, is it half? It's not even half. Four fucking Fenways is a lot. And just based on inside the industry chatter around what was going on in that queue as people were like,

“there were a lot of people in line to see Noah. And so do I think that the point is Noah”

has some die hearts. And, and, and it's, it's out there for everybody to see in the on sale. Charlie has some die hearts. It's out there for everybody to see in the, in the, in the sales for them. I think the cities. I think there's a little bit of a distinction in that Charlie is like weirdly, it's almost like she's a moat around her. We're because she is kind of a, niche pop star underground club kid because she has that. And there's a little bit of an abrasiveness.

I think there are, I think there are a certain amount of people who just will not engage and don't want to and aren't interested and just say no thank you. And I think that if she wanted to be the biggest artist in the world, that would be a difficulty for her. And brat for all of its cultural salience didn't stream like crazy crazy crazy crazy crazy crazy crazy crazy crazy crazy crazy and so like that's her limiting factor. The beauty of that is that everybody inside the moat.

“I think is, is more generous to her and allows her a little bit more artistic freedom.”

I mean, guests featuring Billie Eilish. Is it 800,000 streams? But I mean, yeah, she's had

big, she certainly had big songs in that, but that's it. Your point is that no billion dollar ones

are billion stream songs. And I think your point really holds there. Yeah. And I just think that when she goes and does things like this, it helps because it limits the amount of people who sort of go, what the heck is going on here? This is weird. I don't like it. Like she, I just think she sort of doesn't deal with so much of that. And I wonder if that's sort of freeing. That is the last point that I needed to make about Charlie

and I am interested to keep talking about no alcohol. So I would move us back to there unless

“there's anything that you want to get off your chest. Do you like the great divide?”

I do like it. I will say that no alcohol is not totally my cup of tea. And I wanted to talk about him in part because of that because I know I get and I'm sure you do too. A ton of messages asking for us to talk about him because he is one of these male artists who I think is somewhat crossed over into at least having a fluency and an appreciation from the pop girl universe.

And I think he's very talented. Sad boy songs are generally just not my cup of tea.

And so I never want to hold that against him. But it just becomes something that I'm not particularly

compelled by but I do think like I thought this song even when I saw it and heard it for the first time in a mastercard commercial. I think that it builds in a way with the instrumentals that was sort of compelling. I do think that he's really good at nostalgia. I don't know if it helps that I grew up in the exact same part of the country as him. But like I do think that that's a thing. I think he has a real talent for talking about Vermont. You're northern attitude.

Yeah, I mean, he does. Six seasons got 1.7 billion streams. Yeah, this is a big song.

that really blew up. Maybe after his last tour was announced or sort of during

I wonder if there's a little bit of like overflow demand where some people who really got into that song or really got into him through that cycle didn't get a chance to go to the last one and therefore really want to go to the next one. Because I agree with you that I do feel a little bit of this sort of cocky may head to the side like a German Shepherd going is no account really that big

“and no shade but it surprises me. Yeah, I think it's hard to overstate the extent to which”

sticks season, dial drunk and northern attitude disseminated through the ranks of

college kids. These songs got really, really big in those demos, particularly in the northeast. It's a little bit Dave Matthewsie and it was a hidden secret in the northeast and then it penetrated the frats in the south too. Before you ever saw no icon, he sounded like I would have expected based on dial drunk that his vibe, his public persona vibe, would have been more like Zack Brian is like more like outlaw like ready to fight you. Instead he's the sort of like bubbly his eyes

get really big and shit and he's got the braids and I don't know. I almost wonder if there's a

onstage joy that he gives off that is not dissimilar from what is attracting people to Olivia Dean and that's just what it's about. His music I like, I heard a lot of Boni Ver in this track and that's okay but there are some greats and giants that hang over this genre right now that feel like the godfather's of it and it is Boni Ver. It is Mumford and Sons. That stuff is out there

“for all to see and I think these people were undeniably influenced by it and I think that's why”

Aaron is on the console here producing this record. I'm interested to hear more of it because I think it's probably really freaking hard to follow up that record that you just don't write two stick seasons. I don't think. Right. Well, and it doesn't so he does have wrinkles right that are present here that were not involved in 60s and in particular, Aaron Disner is co-producing this upcoming album that's going to come out April 24. He's not credited on the great divide

the single. Right. But you do, as you said, you hear some Boni Ver, you hear artists who are kind of part of the same solar system as the National and Desner, so maybe there are some wider influences that make sense and are involved in even the songs that Desner's not working on. But overall, it doesn't feel based on this song like what he's trying to do with this follow-up is completely Zach. Right. No. That's right. No. These are still acoustic driven sing the chorus in a field

“songs. I think there's something to be said for the last album. He did this sort of re-release with”

a bunch of features. Yeah. And he had Gracie and he had Post-Mod and he had Casey Musgraves and Lizzy McAlpine and San Antonio and Joe Latican. Yeah. And that I think, we talked about being in a, he put him as the main character or a central connectivity figure to all of these people and brought in some audiences. He just was in Mexico with the Mumford guys playing a show in January. So he's done a good job of locking in to a lot of those different, you know, different

ten-gencial audiences. Do you think of him as part of, do you think of this spring in the next few months as like, "Oh, we're getting a no-cahon album and we're getting a Harry Styles album." And to those two things feel like they're part of the same universe. They don't to me.

summer venues, it's a, it's a Dave Matthews kind of thing. And it's completely different music. Don't

“get me wrong. But that's another thing is I think that some of the, the, like, again, I'm not like”

super, super into his music personally. But I think the idea of going to a no-cahon concert sounds really fun because I do think that he chooses, I think it's smart that he plays baseball parks. Like, that's where you want to see no-cahon. You want to see him on a summer afternoon. You want it to be light out at least at the beginning. You want to not take any shirt off and like showing off his awesome tattoos and doing like Mick Jagger dance moves. Like that's not,

that's not, that's not the same show. Right. Right. But it's, but I think there's wisdom to that, right. It's sort of like knowing what the, what the right way to have the music, complement the experience and, and have it all makes sense is, and I wonder if that's, that would be part of the

appeal for me for sure. Yeah. Well, it's hard, it's hard to look at near 2 billion streaming songs

on Spotify and the face and not be pretty damn impressed with the, the weight of the audience around it, so. Shout out to Vermont. Do you want to touch down quickly on bleachers because we have a new bleachers single as well? What do you think of it? I like it. I quite like it. The single is called "You and Forever" the music video came out Friday. I can't quite wrap my head around the music video, although Margaret quality looks amazing in it. Yeah. But I, I, you know, it is a typical bleachers

“single. It is very, it's very dense musically. It really builds. It didn't like rip my heart into pieces?”

No. But I enjoyed it. Yeah. I mean, there are some bleachers songs that turn me inside out. Don't take the money like I just can. Yeah. Modern girl. I love stopping this hurt. I love tiny moves. I love, there's, there's just a lot in the catalog at this point that I think is, I want to get better as like a run through a wall type of song. I think. Call me after midnight is great. So I'm saying this one was okay. I think it's okay. Yeah. I mean, it's interesting the way that

the song builds. Like you almost hear. It's almost jack-giving a class and how he builds up in layers songs, right? Starting with his voice and then sort of the way he pieces it all together. And

“I thought it was okay. I think it, I listen to the single a bunch and then Spotify just started”

feeding me more bleachers songs. And I was like, okay, it doesn't sit at the top of the cannon for me, but I'm really excited and interested to hear the album. And the way that it in particular classic Jack, by the way, as a part of that, I listened to the, the Taylor song that she did with bleachers. Help me. And to you. Oh, and to you. Featuring the bleachers. Underrated. Don't sleep on that. I mean, I love the Taylor song, but like actually the build of it is really good. I enjoyed it a

lot more this go around with a little bit of space from it. So I get a long one of the way of saying, I'm excited to hear the rest of the record. I'd find his stuff really compelling. And the song, I thought was just okay. Yeah. Me too. It feels like saying that of the things that we've talked about other than Travis playing golf. Jack has featured into or will feature into all, but the Noah stuff

basically, like he is very busy. And that can be good. That can mean that someone's in a great creative

space. It can also mean that you're stretched a little thin. And it just, again, it just seems like he has a lot of projects. Yeah. This song gets better as it goes. Yes. Which is usually true of that's is just signature. And that's a jack signature. Yeah. And at the end, there's some melodies and some lines that get fed in that I'm super into. So by the end of it, I'm into it. But I yeah, let's see. All right, I think we should talk a lot of it all right. Oh, man. So first, let's just go through

kind of how this went down. So Lana has been teasing and all of them new music various things for

Earlier this month, she posted a series of Instagram stories where she said that today, the

day that we're recording this, which is February 17, she was going to have a single out. And it is called white feather hawktail deer hunter. And so then midnight rolls around last night, there's no soul. People go to sleep. They wake up in the morning. Go look for a Lana Del Rey song. There's no song. Eventually, she releases a snippet of it. And then her brother-in-law is like in Instagram comments, somewhere saying, oh, it's going to come at nine o'clock. Doesn't give a time zone. So people still don't

really know that means that means that means Louisiana. Sure. And then eventually, in the middle of the day, I think this song goes up and gets released. It is produced by Jack who, as you said, tweeted about it and said that it was his favorite with Lana. He's also co-writer along with her husband, the guy who is the airboat captain, Gator Tor guy, her sister and her brother-in-law.

First of all, it is a family chair. I tried, man. I tried. And I, it's really weird.

“It's weird and it's pretty bad. Yeah, that's what it is.”

I agree with you that there's going to be a chorus of actually this is genius. And I'm not going to be a part of it. No, people are going to try to bend themselves into knots to be like, no, you don't get it. And I'm going to say, you are right. Yeah. What are we doing? Was it Whoopsie Daisy, you who that was the last straw for you? Whoopsie Daisy, you were yelling, I love you, how do my wife out there, I'll deal with her? Correct. It was just the me as well. Repeated Whoopsie Daisy. No, actually it might have been this

snake charmer music, but was the last straw for me. I've a lot of affection for Lana and I might have

hung in there through the first Whoopsie Daisy you who, but then the snake charmer music hit.

And I was I was no longer I also can appreciate like being like, I don't want to put out a song that sounds like another Jack Antonov thing. I wanted to be my own. And I'm in a new phase in life. You know, you could have just done like a YouTube like just make me a real that says the shit that you like about your husband. That's cool. I have no foot, but as a piece of art to be listened to as music, it's not landing in that way for me, Lana. I'm sorry. I want to be into it. I want to

get into the world and be all about this and get stoked about the alligator hunter. But I just I can't I I have too many other things. I think that's really fair. Look, we'll give her a whole album to see where else that goes. Lana Delere is someone who loves to make an impression and loves to push people's buttons and I can certainly see this being part of it. But I didn't get my buttons

“pushed here. I just got bored. That's how I felt about buttering heights. Do you think that that's”

because but sometimes I get bored because once you have the sensation so clearly of there isn't a time to be made to push my buttons, it does become boring because there's no there's no reaction to trying to surprise. Right. And I guess that's how I felt more so than she's not trying to push my buttons, but that's honestly coming from a place of my listening to it and going okay well this can't be serious, right? Like she can't actually think that

this is that this works as music. The thing that I got so excited about in 2024 with all those albums

“that came out that we refer back to all the time is one of I think what will go down historically”

as one of the great years in pop music was that one after another they felt like meaningful evolutions of the art form. They they had each had their own lane and they were advancing

that we hadn't heard together. There were there was a conversation that was evolving with each release.

“They were teaching us, by the way, in the way that I think Lana maybe is trying to do here,”

but there was an authenticity writing about themselves that mattered. Like I got to understand the human being and the artist behind the music. Like all of those things were happening. I hear this and it it it sounds like an attempt. By the way, this fall we had two interesting albums. We had the Lily Allen album and we had the Rosalie album. Neither of which I think are like going to give you you know espresso or 360 but like they had interesting points of view.

They they felt like works of art and they were sort of meaningful evolutions of the female

pop category. That's not Lana's job to do that. I'm just saying that I heard it and I just was like

whoa. Yeah, and Lana Lana has done that, right? She's seriously done that. I think she's someone who to me it's almost like her legacy is less about her own music and more about the way that other pop artists yeah Taylor Swift maybe that's one of your favorite artists favorite artists. Totally and maybe that's hard, right? Like maybe it's sort of hard to figure out when like everybody is kind of everyone's taking their steps kind of doing your thing a little bit.

It's hard to figure out how to chart your own course maybe, but like I don't know. I just this is

“I think she's really talented and capable of doing really interesting things and this doesn't”

have been the same since she got totally consumed in that crowd and the sweet at the Super Bowl. Something happened under that dog pile. Even something even like she got Avril of being body doubled. I don't know. Not a lot anymore. It's a new way. Yeah, they might have been a body snatch situation that happened after the chiefs won in over time. Something it's a lot to consider.

What can you tell me how you feel as someone with more more ties to Louisiana than I do certainly about the Louisiana of it all? I don't want to hear it. I don't want to hear it as an excuse. I don't want to hear it as some sort of like cultural revenue. This is not Paul Simon with Grace Land, you know, teaching us all about the wonders of South African music. I'll be it, you know, through some cultural appropriation.

That's not what's happening here. Don't try it on me. Do you how much of this do you hang on Jack? If not for the tweet, it would have been very little. Yeah. She's heard all the noise about her husband and people being like, what's she doing with this guy? What's all that right? So I understand coming back with like a arrow to the heart like a this is fuck you. It's us against the world. This is my guy. Like I get the

angle and perspective. But that's also not new perspective for her. Like there's really nothing about this that's new for her. Like an in this sort of, you know, Americana either Valorization or cosplay depending on how engaging you find it, that is not at all new for Lana Del Rey. The nobody gets my man, but I love him and we're together. That is not new for Lana Del Rey. It's a new guy and he has a background

that's surprising to a lot of people. But it's not like she's taking that and spinning it into

something that hasn't been a part of her catalog. It's this is her stick. This is sort of always

has been. It's just you live a lot more effective from this. Yeah, I agree. Let's put it pin in this because if we had judged the Charlie album based on house, shame on us, because there's some really good stuff on the Charlie weathering heights album. So let's see when I'm negative.

“I hate when we are negative because I think we work very hard to lift up art that we love”

and to celebrate it and to get it heard. And I don't want to prejudge. But I also unlike many other music forward podcasts in this universe, I'm not going to come out here and say things about music that we don't actually believe in service. This is a misinactive love, I think. Well, it is in this case. It is. And in the same way that we felt like some artists that we talk about did something that was okay, it could be better. We're going to say it when somebody

does something that's really great. We're going to call it out and say that. We are not the final arbiters of it. But our job is to react to it. And my reaction was.

All right. Well, here's two things that I'm very positive about, especially this one. Myly Cyrus has announced a 20th anniversary Hannah Montana special that will go and Disney plus on March 24th. There is Cooper is hosting this. Alex Cooper is hosting. They did a Colorado episode. However, much of a wild back that was fun. There's a very,

very short trailer that is basically just a healed boot stepping out of a car with the Myly

Music Vamping in the background or the Hannah Music Vamping in the background that is out. But I'm just psyched about this. There's obviously so much nostalgia right now for this era and this era of Disney and that stuff. And I'm glad that Myly is

“it feels like she's made her peace with Hannah. And that's what makes me happy about this.”

I think that's a great way to think about it. And she better play the shit out of the climb. Yeah. She better play the shit out of the climb. You hear that Myly Cyrus? I know you've listened to this podcast before. We want to hear the climb. Can I ask you one more question before we go Nathan? Let's do it. I've been wanting to ask you about this for a couple of weeks now, actually, which is just to loop back on the Harry Styles residency tour, ticketing,

experience and hear what you're taking on how that went was. I mean, I don't is too early is what I'm going to tell you. Okay. So this is because that was what we talked about before. And I was curious especially because something that I an experience that I had as a ticket purchaser was this question of, you're going through it and you're trying all the different pre sails. And if you get in, there's this question of, is this kind of a moment when

some people get suckered a little bit or were you just sort of feel the, oh my god, oh my god,

“how am I going to get a ticket? I really want to get a ticket and go, should I buy the VIP package?”

Should I just do that? And is it going to be like this the whole time? Or over the course of you know, between now and when these shows are, are that are there things that change? And that I was, uh, my friends and I eventually did get tickets at a price that we were very happy with, so ultimately like it worked out. But I still came out of that experience sort of feeling that open question of, is this mad dash, a true reflection of the demand when there are this many shows,

or is there still a moment to come where, where you feel the amount of supply?

I don't, I mean, you feel the amount of supply in, the problem is when you have, you know,

100,000 pieces of unique inventory that 10 million people want and that you're trying to distribute at the same time. The concept of the on sale, definitely, is designed to create excitement and generate interest and to create FOMO so that there's a cultural move to go do it. And I'm going to make the decision to allocate some portion of my disposable income to acquiring these tickets. But from a pricing perspective, man, I would so much rather that the money go into

the pocket of Harry Styles and have him do whatever he wants to do with it than into the ticket broker pocket, who, you know, is the scalper pocket, who's creating a bunch of bots and multiple

accounts and multiple credit cards and basically taking these tickets only for the purpose of

“reselling them. And so I, I think the answer is that it is a very, very hard e-commerce problem”

to solve and I think, I think when there is that much demand and there is limited supply and there was for these shows, that's the environment that you get. Now, I would say somebody who didn't get a ticket, you know, you look in the secondary market right now and the prices are super high, that is somebody trying to take advantage of you. That is somebody who has the ticket, they are hoping to make a buck and they're fishing for suckers. So in that situation, the right

thing to do is wait because you're not spending $20,000 a ticket. So just wait and wait until things start to get real, like half, I don't know what the stats are fully right now, but, you know, about half of the buying that happens for a show or a game in the secondary market happens in the

tickets really started to come down as you got closer to game. Now, there are times where the event

is so valuable in the tailor tour was like this that those ticket prices don't come down because there's a buyer for every single one. But some portion, no matter how hard the artist tries, some portion of the tickets get grabbed up by speculators who are trying to make a buck. And they're going to hold on and fish for $20,000, $10,000, $5,000, $2,000 until the real signal of demand comes through and says, no, no, I'm not paying those prices. And then,

then the secondary market prices will start to fall. So if you're a fan out there who bought tickets, I suspect that by the time all is said and done, you're going to be happy that you paid the price that you did because the alternative, look, the alternative was not going. And if you spent money that

you shouldn't have, then I'm sorry for you. But I would much rather first of all that the money

go to the artist instead of to the secondary market. And I also think that there is held a lot of demand for this artist. And so, I mean, are you surprised by that at all that there are, when he is doing 30 nights in New York City and it did not feel, I mean, it was a bloodbath for every single one of them. Yeah, no, I'm not. But I also think if you've noticed what's happened after that on sale, he's doing the little festival for $20. He's doing the list. No, I'm not, I don't

“hold it again. I really don't hold it against him. I, no. But I just, I'm impressed, honestly.”

Yeah, well, we talked about how fertile that ground was for Harry. Like, a lot of people made a run at the ground for four years. And it didn't, it didn't make a difference. And so people are ready to embrace him. And I look, even this, as this song is not like taking the world by fire. And that's okay because I don't know that that was the point. Like, people are still going to want to go and be a part of that experience. I, I think I, I'm not so much surprised at that. And I do

think that what you're seeing in the aftermath of people sort of going, wow, okay, these tickets were expensive. Well, were they? I'm not so sure if you really compare it. What I would just say is, I think they're also going to make him accessible in ways that don't require you to spend that. Now, you won't get the same show necessarily. But he's going to get out there. And, and I think that's all part of the plan. This is, this is an extraordinarily well-managed artist.

The way that Harry's career has been crafted from day one when he left one direction is the reason why he's here. And they're, they're going to make pretty good choices, I think. And by the way, they're also going to listen and respond in the event that, you know, you don't bat a thousand. But I think it's very clear that demand for this artist exists. And the way that you make sure

“that those tickets go into the hands of fans. The worst way to get tickets to fans is to just”

do an on sale at with tickets that are basically, you know, dollar bills being sold for 50 cents.

Because capitalism is like water and it finds the cracks. And somebody's going to snap those up and resell them on the secondary market for way more money than you would have paid out of the gate. And so trying to find that intersection of supply and demand is the right thing for the artist. And then it's up to the fans to decide, hey, can my wallet afford this? No, I mean, you could feel it happening to a certain extent. Because, you know,

everybody got to sign up for five. And I think mine were on three different days. Most people I knew were on kind of similar days. And I remember the first one, when I clicked in, right on the dot, and I'd been in the waiting room, it's you are number 230,000 something something something in the queue. I mean, okay, well, this isn't happening. I've been to Madison Square Garden. Then the next one, it's

your number 68,000 or something in the queue. And then you went along and buy the end of it, where it wasn't me, it was a friend of mine, but we're all texting. And someone's like, wait,

“guys, like, I'm, I'm 3000. I think I might get this one. I'm going to get $3,000. And so you could,”

you could feel clearly people got their tickets and got out of out of that mix. I just, like, I'm 30 contests. There's a lot of contests. He's a really, really, really popular artist. But I think it's impressive. It is, it is really impressive. And, and I think, I think there, I mean, it looks like they're going to also bring him out. He's not just going to only show up 30 times at MSG. There's going to be these other ways that fans can get rewarded.

At different prices. So, good on them. Do you think there will be another single from that album before the album itself? It's a great question. That's the one I've been thinking about. I think that's

I don't, can I be like, totally, I don't think they care. Why, why do they, I don't, it doesn't

feel to me like this album's objective is to, it feels like the opposite of what Taylor did with showgirl. I don't think they're trying to go make all the records and put the final, you know,

“trophies on the case that he doesn't have. I think they're trying to, it's hard to come off”

album of the year when you haven't done it, it just is. And I think they're trying to protect his credibility. Yeah, I think they're trying to protect his credibility above all as an artist and not try to replicate it and keep him moving forward. And you know, is everybody going to like rave about the melodic composition of this album? I don't know. I my guess is not as much as they did about the last two. Is there a watermelon sugar on this record? I don't, I have no idea.

I'm guessing no, but I'm guessing it's going to be a lie. Well, and I always say that if the

“album comes out and we haven't heard another single, then I think the answer is no, because whether”

or not it's the intent, and I grew with you, I don't think that they're chasing anything like that, which is cool. Yeah. If it's there, I feel like you would put it out. Like if they're just so happens to be a song on this album, that feels like it has the potential to be kind of an as it was, or something like that. Yeah. I think you'd put it out into the universe and see what happens. If this is something else, I just certainly I don't know, but that's just my feeling.

If this is something else, as you're saying, and it is about curating a vibe, and it's about the beats in the music, but not the melodies so much, and something that Harry is really interested in doing, and speaks to where he is, and that's best experience as a whole project, then it probably comes other than aperture out all at once. Yeah. Well, the thing about Harry Styles is that he

“doesn't need it, and that's what the demand from the tickets tell us. And so as we think about”

all these artists that we've talked about today, Noah Kahn, Noah Kahn does the great divide need to get higher than 13 it seems like people are in this guy, because they want to go stand in the field and sing a love Vermont, but it's the season of the sticks. More so than they necessarily care about the individual components of what's coming out, we'll see. A lot of states coming up on this pod. All right. Well, at a final Whoopsie Daisy Yoohoo to you, Nathan. I think we can end it there.

This has been every single album. As always, I'm Nora Fransjati. He's Nathan Hovered. Thank you

to Kyle MacBullin for producing this episode. And to you for listening, we'll talk to you next week.