🚨 SUMMER HOUSE EMERGENCY SUMMIT SISTER CIRCLE!

Hello everyone and welcome to everything iconic with me, Danny Pelagrino. It got a special episode for you all today. This is the Summer House Summit with my frequent co-host Hannah Erin Brown. Hannah is joining me to really break down all of the Summer House rumors. Now, granted, there's an episode of Summer House on this week, of course.

But we're really going to dive in to rather than doing a traditional recap, which unfortunately, you're just not going to get this week. But we're going to dive into all of recapping kind of what's going on in the rumor mail, because it seems like there's some chaos amongst West and Amanda.

So first of all, Hannah, how are you?

I mean, I'm great. I'm so glad that I have this great mug of giant, great mug of coffee. This is a Libra mug. You're my Libra, I mean, I'm not a Libra, but you're my Libra brother. Right, right.

So I'm honored to be using this mug today. And I feel like I need a little bit of balance with everything going on. There's a lot happening. And it's been sort of, I don't know if you feel this way, but I've been following all the Summer House rumors for almost like a month over a month now.

And the thing that we were talking about before we started recording is that a lot of them feel not real, because a lot of them haven't been real. Because it's like, if you look at Duma, for instance, has posted a long time ago that West and Amanda had a fling. But they also posted that Kyle was having a fling with some next gen cast member.

And that was in their Jesse and Sierra or Jesse and Amanda. And so there's been like a hundred of these things. And so I feel like if you are throwing a million darts of the wall, eventually you're going to hit a bullseye. And so it's like, yes, there's one that's true, maybe.

I think it's true. Yeah, I do too. You were longer to come around than I was though. It took me less convincing, and you were like, absolutely not.

Well, because here's the thing.

I was on watch what happens I like two weeks ago with Kyle. Okay. Third three weeks ago. It was like very, it was right when that West and Amanda rumor first surfaced. Okay.

And we started watch what happens. I've even before in the green room, I was like, can I grill you on some of these rumors and stuff? Or can we, you know? So lights up Andy says, welcome, and we're like Kyle rumors.

And I was more interested in the Kyle dating the next gen cast member. Um, that show. But then also Andy had asked him about the West and Amanda thing. And it seemed like that was like not even that was like a way less real rumor. Yeah.

“Even like behind the scenes and everything, that's how it felt to me just sort of like observing how all these rumors were coming about.”

It was like that. Well, the West and Amanda won. It was like, no, that, and even the Kyle's answer was like, no, I don't. And I really believed, I don't think he's that kind of an actor. So I just, and even if Andy and the network thought that was true,

I think he would have pressed it more to 100%. I really felt like, oh, that was just that was like a far off rumor. Like Andy even pressed the next gen one even more than the West and Amanda won. Because it was just like, oh, that's that one seems crazy. And I even said to Kyle, when he said, when he sort of denied it,

the West and Amanda thing, I said, so there's no truth at all to it. And he's like, no, no, I don't think so. And I truly thought, there wasn't acting there. So then when the rumor sort of resurfaced a couple weeks later, I was like, no, that's not true. There would have been some sign or he would have been hiding it.

Or even backstage or in the green room or after the show or something, he might have said to me, like, oh, no, well, that is true or something like that. Maybe I'm giving him too much credit, but I really thought like that's not a true thing.

“Because it's, I think it's hard to tell because this whole friend group is so like notoriously flirty with each other.”

That it's really hard to know, like where the line lies for them. Because I personally think, like, even if this ended up not being true, which at this point I'm pretty positive. It's true. But like, even if it wasn't, I still think it's an inappropriate friendship between Amanda and West, given like what West represented to Sierra, how much that whole situation was like really emotionally like challenging for her.

And for Amanda to sort of settle up to West as like a safe source of male attention now that she's divorced,

I'm just like, there's a million hot single guys in New York, your hot and famous and newly single.

You could literally be hanging out with anyone. You don't need to be doing this. Right. And it's a fuck you to see. Well, not only that on the show this season, there's been this whole thing about her and Ben.

Yeah. Which I really did also think there's been so many inappropriate things with Ben. Okay. Like the way he has been holding her last week on the show, didn't he like carry her into the house after they'd been out drinking? Like the infantilizing of Amanda also needs to stay up. Oh yeah.

She took a baby and like, I know. I've had enough. Totally.

“But I think of like my husband and it's like if he was carrying another person, even if I was right there,”

I'd be like, this is uncomfortable. In it's happened like a handful of times with Ben on the show. And that one carnival scene, he like lifted her over something and it's like a show. Yeah. I was like, I don't know.

And it's come up and even what Bailey at the dinner was like, you want to fuck each other or something?

What did you say? He was right. By the way. Just as for Bailey. Just as for Bailey.

Just as for Bailey. Just so you know, he wants to fuck you. Yeah. And I was like, oh my god. It was, but I mean, it's like that is really inappropriate.

But there's true. But then that got me thinking, which not, again, I don't want to sound like I'm sympathizing or empathizing with Kyle because he's got his own sort of issues. Of course. But when he said on the show, when he said that fuck you to Amanda and was like, she's not paying,

she's paying everyone else saw this attention. I really, when I watched that, I thought, yeah, Amanda is paying other people attention because, you know, you're so fucked up and whatever. But now I'm looking at it through a different lens of like, we're seeing her pay attention to Ben, but then also she's been fucking west.

Like, there is some sort of like truth to maybe, you know, her giving up to many people other attention. And that makes sense. Maybe Kyle picked up on a vibe even in a subconscious way.

And again, he's still awful for a million money.

This is a tail as old as time I'm proud of. It was like so often. Like someone will like outshitty someone else as she behavior. And so then we'll just like automatically put that person in pedestal. And like I have no interest in doing that with Kyle.

Like, Kyle was really like not a good husband.

“And I think their relationship had a ton of problems.”

And I think Amanda was very valid and feeling how she felt. But I do think that like this situation is her like over indexing. And being like, I'm finally single and I'm free. And I can do it over the fuck I want. I'm going to live for me now.

And it's like, but at the cost of people you care about at the cost of like close friends. And people are trying to rewrite history right now. And I'm like, her and Sierra aren't that close. And I'm like, yes, they are. Right.

What the fuck are you talking about? Not only that. I, of course, I'm, I'm not trying to insert myself into this at all. But even a bravo con like I would think back like I did an interview with Amanda and Sierra together. And yeah, I felt like a genuine friendship.

You're on that bed together. And by the way, like, we talked about this on the podcast. But like Sierra kind of gave me shit on the Trader's panel because I was hosting it. And she kind of came back at me because I was like saying is Kyle a faithful. And she came back at me because she was sticking up for Amanda.

She said, whoa, aggressive. And even when I interviewed her and Amanda together like on the floor, I did a little thing with them. I felt like Sierra really had Amanda's back in a way way more than she needed to way more than Amanda had her back. It was like, I not only feel like there was a genuine friendship there, but that Sierra was genuinely like defending the honor of Amanda at a time.

“Even on the Trader's panel, it's like, why does she don't have to defend Amanda?”

Yeah. But she did. She like made an effort to be like, well, let's not, you know, let's... Let's not bring that up right now. And so then to know that Amanda was maybe cannutal in, you know, with West, like Sierra's ex, that's an issue.

It's nasty work. It's nasty work is what it is. And I feel like, I don't know. I feel like now people are pulling up all these old clips of Amanda just kind of being like a shitty woman to other women. Wait, either.

I haven't seen any. There was someone pulled up a clip on Reddit that my friend sent to me where it was like jewels was like drinking like fireball out of a bottle and Amanda kicked the bottle while it was in her mouth. So that it all drove down her face. And it kind of like broken her teeth and everyone was like laughing and I'm like, that's like eighth grade like mean girl type stuff. Justice for jewels.

Justice for jewels. Justice for Bailey. So I'm just kind of like, there was also a clip where Amanda was, Sierra was, I think this was last season. Sierra's like, I just really hope I'm not like a joke after all this. Amanda's like, you're a joke.

Like about the West stuff. And like started laughing and Paige was like, he and Sierra's like, I'm going to cry. And like, I was like, that's not a funny joke. There's been a couple times this season where Sierra's sort of been celebrating a accomplishment. I think on the show this week, she's, she opens up about buying a house and, you know, she's open up about very vulnerable things.

And it always looking back because I have I have seen some clips to online of Sierra where it always feels like other people.

Amanda's not celebrating as much as other like me as celebrating Sierra more than Amanda is. And yeah, I don't know. Even at that one dinner where Sierra is really opening up her cage and me are opening up about the race. And I feel like I did a, I don't know. I'm maybe I'm looking at it through too much of a monocle, but it's like was Amanda really being extra supportive in the way that a best friend should be.

I think was Lindsey the one who moved a chair over and like rubbed her back or like touched her arm. I don't know, but I felt like there could have been more support for Sierra and that scene for her.

“And obviously, we're going to like look back and pierce through everything like detectives because that's what we're supposed to do.”

What else are Bravo fans? Good for like, we're detectives. It's interesting to there's so many like you mentioned clips, but like people are resurfacing photos of West and Amanda and things.

There's some of these like periphery cast members that all the cast members now are kind of posting these cryptic things. The rumor is that Bravo, the network is saying they're not allowed to post, please keep this under wraps. I don't know if productions telling them if the networks telling them, but it seems like they're not commenting on it, at least as of this recording. Yeah. And things could change in the next page. Things could change. We don't know right now as a recording somebody could release a statement or something.

But it seems like I know we could be missing my assholes clenched.

“I know. You know what I think needs to happen though.”

So everybody's posting these like memes. So I think KJ and Carl and Lindsey posted like memes of them. So I know. And it's sort of their reaction and they're not like outright saying anything, right? And I was thinking, you might leave. I leave it, Lizette. That's her name I leave it. What she needs to, she's fucked either way. Like she's not coming back.

They added it her out of the season basically. She's fucked.

What she should do is be the smoking gun and it would either save her to come back or at least get her in the mix a little bit for like a job after this, right? Like I wish I was managing Levi. Like I would say Levi, tell us tell everyone what you know everything you know. Who cares? Who gives a fine fuck if the network is saying don't we need you buttons. Be as messy as possible right now. This is your one opportunity Levi to get in there. Bailey I think is going to maybe be fine. She's got sort of a dealings with Carl happening and like I think she could come back.

But Levi's fucked. So Levi like drop the receipts whatever you have. You probably don't have much. This is probably not a lot of fun. Find something. Also like best case scenario Levi gets like she gets eliminated from the summer house cast. But then because of this she's on House of Villains. Right. And she rebrands herself as a cleanest reality.

Who doesn't care who she fucks over as long as she stays relevant. And I'm like great. Yeah, do what she got to do in the economy.

“She's got to have some sort of information.”

She was in that house. She has to know something.

Even if it's just like from a group cast text. There's got to be some they have to have a group text going. All she has to do is like hop on her Instagram live or something. I ban that group chat and a lude to stuff like start giving us some droplets of information because nobody else is. And they're all they're all probably not giving us any information because they're concerned about their jobs.

Levi, you don't have a job no more. You just so step your ass up and try to get a job because you could be the aunt. What was that woman the assistant to Tom Sandeva and and she could be the aunt. She could be the aunt of member Anne was in a super cool commercial. Yeah, she was doing Ziploc commercials.

Levi call up Anne and get some tips because Anne got in the mix and did get in the mix. She got in the mix. She was doing she now we don't know but we'll see. She was doing podcast interviews. She was doing she's sketch comedy goddess one to watch. She was throwing time under the bus while he was she was the assistant.

And then she appears to her all at the same time. She's a multitasking queen. Levi needs to call up. Yeah. That was her name right.

Yeah.

“Yeah, so they're all posting these memes.”

I guess that means because they don't want it out. Yeah. Yeah. Because my my initial that reaction was that they were doing this. They all were posting branded content.

And I thought oh, are they just doing this? Because it does help all their branded content. When there's rumors like this, everybody comments on their Buffalo Wildbings post. Right. Because they're like tell us the teeth.

Or they're like team Sierra bitch and it's like that's still engagement for Amanda. That engagement then ups their cost for their next brand to deal. And it makes the Buffalo Wildbings so happy with them. And those brand to deals are way more lucrative than what they're getting paid on the show. Yeah.

And the other kind of weird thing is like Buffalo Wildbings keeps commenting on everything. Do you notice that? No. They've been like commenting. There's social media manager is like, I am clocked up again.

There's social media manager is like working overtime right now. Because every single post that I see about anything is like, it's like, oh, this is this is serious stuff. Come get six wings for 12.99 or whatever it is. This is just as spicy as our 12 minutes special. Literally like Carrie Bradshaw writing chicken wing puns.

Get it well it's hot. By the way, I'm recapping sex in the city. You drive me for the end just like that recaps. But I do sex in the city recaps on my Patreon. And there was one.

The episode I just did. It was I carry and the gals go to Atlantic City. And Carrie shows up in Miranda's house.

And she does the thing that she always does with big where she knocks on the door to get it while it's hot.

And I forget what it is right now. It's like I'm blanking on it, but she knocks on Miranda's door. Miranda just had a baby. And she, oh, oh, I know what it was. They're going at Atlantic City.

She goes to pick up Miranda and she's like, under the boardwalk. [laughs] It's so cringe. And embarrassing. And I loved it.

Uh, my favorite one is when she's like, we wait.

She's like something with her throat. I hate Carrie. [laughs] Speaking of STP, I had a dream last night that I wanted to date with JFK. But halfway through the date, he left me for someone else.

Oh. JFK Jr. Was it the real JFK Jr. or the TV version? It was the real one. Oh wow.

I know. It was a crazy dream. We have to talk about that show as soon as we're done with somewhere else. I know. Because I want to talk about it.

“But the JFK Jr. of Bravo, who would you say is the JFK Jr. of somewhere else?”

Oh my God. That's so hard. Oh yeah, KJ. It's actually not that hard. I'm excited for KJ to continue to find his confidence and risk before our very eyes.

Because I think now that he's with Dera, I think he's like feeling himself.

No way that he should have always been feeling himself.

Dera, the explorer. That's what I call it. Dera, the explorer. She's gorgeous. She's fishy to me.

Really? I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I don't know. Something.

I don't know. And I'm also concerned with KJ, because he does seem so close with West. I'm worried West and Jesse are going to get into him. Yeah. Like they're going to like alter his psyche.

I don't know. I don't know. Like KJ, it's me, Jesse.

“Well, I think that you should be single and fuck as many girls as possible.”

That was the other issue. I thought like this whole thing was a rose for Jesse. Have you noticed that he's been promoting new music? Unfortunately, I heard that. Yeah.

And I was worried that Jesse was going to like come out with the sun. Because I saw something to promote his tour. He got like all the customers to like a zoom and whatever. And I was like, if this is all whole thing for Jesse's music, like I will take down NBC and bravo.

Like I cannot handle it. Luckily, I don't think it is not gunwood. It better not be. But if Jesse releases the song about this, it's over. It's over.

I, my guiding light through all of this was knowing that Sierra historically hates looking foolish, hates feeling embarrassed. Like that. And obviously who likes those things? She gets really upset and emotional when like she feels like she's been fucked over,

especially publicly. So I was like, there's just no world in which I could see Sierra agreeing to any of this for a PR purpose, especially because like she was already on the Ariana track. Like well before this happened, like she was doing a lot of red carpet stuff. She did like the the Oscars for the cut.

She did the weathering heights from here. She reported from the Grammys. Like she's already transcending the show. So I just don't see a world in which she would be like, yeah, totally like, let's just put me at the center of a bunch of drama so that her show gets ratings.

Like I don't think she would do that. I also don't think Amanda looking, I don't know that she would want to look.

“I think she's carefully sort of curated her image as well.”

And I don't think she would want to come across the way that she's coming across.

She's always given me eighth grade mean girl energy.

But to be honest, the bed bugs always have kind of scared me. Yeah, you've always been, I want to improve more than anything. I want to make that clear. They all scared the shit out of me. And I've had brief interactions with some of them where I'm like, oh, I don't think you're interested in making new friends.

And that's okay. And I think it's also like one of those things where it's like, I think the term girls girl gets like thrown around a lot. And it's like, what does that even mean? Because at the end of the day, it's like, sometimes you just think a bitch is annoying. And there's really no reason why but your spirits just don't agree.

But I feel like historically they've been girls girls for each other. Not necessarily for new girls entering the house. And I think what we've discovered in this event is being true is that Amanda is a girls girl for no one. Well, even going back to pre-season, they were kind of the old guard girls were sort of throwing Levi and Bailey in the new girls under the bus. Like they were saying, you know, they don't fit in, you know, that kind of thing.

And it's like watching the season back, I'm like, well, why did you say that? Like they seem fine. You know, it's like, new girls are never given a fair shot the way new guys are.

And that term girls girl, I've had an aha moment with real houses Beverly Hills this season because Kyle Richards always says she's like, I'm a girls girl, but then she just the opposite.

And I kind of feel like the people who say who are the ones who are say they're a girls girl are the ones who are actually the opposite of that. It's like they're, I don't know what the psychology is, you know, but I don't understand. It's like when you go to a stand-up show and like the comic is like, I fuck all the time. It's like, okay, well, just say that you don't. I like that this end up with Jesse Salomon.

It's just something like, I get laid every day and it's like, okay, well, the truth reveals itself. I thought they're just in the marriage, isn't that how people act in a marriage? I see them like kiss and hug sometimes. I'm like, the other thing to with Kyle and Amanda is like their whole relationship is like a snake eating its own tail where it's like they've both done things wrong. It's been hot garbage from day one.

They should have never gotten married. Everyone said it and also the patience that Sierra has for being like supportive for this many years with this shit show of a relationship. Like, I feel like the sexual violence and marriage story meme, like just thinking about it, imagine how they all feel. Yeah, I mean, I think about all the summers they've had to like go into that house and just spend so much time dealing with their drama is shocking to me.

He's like, I can't hear you complaining about Carter anymore. Like like Stasi and Katie were like, this is enough, like your relationship sucks. He sucks. We don't want to hear about it anymore. And Kristen's like, I just don't love the way you guys love me.

And they were like, I don't know what to tell you. This is annoying. You know, I think Vanderpump rules. There's obviously people making comparisons to scandal and what happened there with summer house in this whole thing.

“They're very different and I think Vanderpump rules is way more intense show.”

Like summer house is a great show. I love summer house. But if I were to compare 10 seasons of Vanderpump rules with 10 seasons of summer house, I'm sorry, but like VPR just like blows it out of the water. I think it's so much better.

And again, we love summer house.

But I just have to shout out like original VPR was so incredible.

It was so good. But I think it's because they were all like roaches, like they were just like fame hungry roaches who would do anything to each other for like they were just very impulsive. They were probably on drugs. And it was, you know, what's so be it? And live out love.

And put up the fucking cameras and let us watch. And thank God for them. But like if VPR is roaches, I feel like summer house was more like butterflies. I really believe that VPR was like a millennial text that will be. If you ever want to look back on like what?

The era of a 20 something millennial was. You can watch all those that original amount of VPR. Like it's so I know I more so even I love girls. It's like right up there with girls for me. Like the millennial experience.

Yes. If you watch VPR, it's like all there. Well, I remember like being in college and like watching the premiere and becoming instantly obsessed and being like Sunday. I'm going to move totally. And I'm going to work at serve and that was like without any irony in my dream.

Did I ever tell you the time I almost. I like went to serve.

I had bar I used to bar 10 when it first moved to LA.

And one night my friend backs and I like we had been drinking like way after the shift ended. We went to the Abby and then like someone invited us to serve. The one of the owners. And I think one of the people was like trying to flirt with my friend back up. And nobody else was empty because it was closed.

And we played music and like there was like this older gay man. I think was trying to maybe get my pants.

“But it was like a sliding doors moment where I remember they mentioned like do you guys want to work here?”

Like we're looking and this was pre I think preview PR was like right when I moved to Los Angeles. And then I would nothing happen but I remember him saying like would you guys want to work here? We're looking for more or whatever and I think like oh could I have what I've been on Vanderpump. But honestly that's like I'm sliding doors moment. Yeah it's your growing up house for a sliding doors moment.

That movie is so depressing. I'm biting my tongue because I'm trying not to say anything else. What I was going to say is I feel like that's really all you need those evaluation that like. You're hot enough that like inserts heyday. They really wanted you to work there which is not a shock to me at all.

But like I hope that you really take that and like internalize that. Well I think probably they I mean at that time I was also very attractive. That was my youth. That was my youth. But my friend Becca too was like a really gorgeous and we bartended at a you know near by bar and we had a great time anyway.

Let's take a break here. I'm going to come back and break down more summer house stuff. And Rebecca Hannah what were you talking about I want to think a cast I meant to do that before we went to break. Oh okay summer house. So they're all kind of like chiming in with these cryptic posts.

“And I don't know I think we like them not being able to talk about if if that's truly the reason why we're not getting any sort of information about it.”

I think it's turning fans on the show because we need some answers. I but I'm also like I'm having a blast like I'm all consumed and obviously like woman to woman for Sierra's sake. I would hate for this to be true as a viewer and as a fan of bravo. This is what you night to solve. Yeah yeah we need it.

We live for we need we need this because we deserve it. Unfortunately like that's it is drama and and I think like it's okay. I don't I'm not of the mind of like. This would be so terrible. I think Sierra's fine like she had broken up with West along time ago.

This is ultimately really going to I hate to say it but really help her career.

She's doing great like I'm not saying she needs it or anything. I'm just saying like I think she's going to be fine. I don't think it even with the scandal of all situation. I felt more concerned with Ariana that was like a heavier kind of thing. Yeah like this yes it's unfortunate that your friend would do that of course.

But I don't know if it's like so that devastating that the fans are really getting into the nitty gritty of this.

And even as the seasons end I think they all sort of go their own ways.

So like maybe she had some space from Amanda. So I don't I don't really worry too much about Sierra and she's wonderful and strong like she's going to be fine. Yeah I just like I hope that she ends up having fun with this because like obviously like I'm very happy that Ariana found love like with a normie. I think that's very healthy for her I think the relationship seems great. I want Sierra to have some fun with this like I want Sierra to like go date like a fucking a-list movie star or like some really fucking hot athlete.

“Like I want her to be out on the town like looking hot going on dates like that's what I need.”

Obviously we're both married but like if you had a situation like this happened in your life. And you could just date any of the single hot guys right now who would it be? Oh my god. Uh my little man home. Oh yeah you like him.

We met him at the at the one party recently and he was really sweet. Don't meet your crush unless like your celebrity crush unless they're my little man home because it was like a 15 out of 10 experience. And he's doing the new tangled he's playing the Flynn rider. That's our Flynn. Yeah. Yeah. Also we were upset because it's Cameron man I'm son.

And we were upset that we didn't get him to say fuck off Toby or tell him to fuck off. We wanted to do it for Michelle. We said ooh Toby. Fuck off.

But we didn't have no time.

Wait that also we brought up I made a verb at that party that I really want to introduce to the audience. It's called like going Kim McAfee over someone which is a bye bye birdie reference like the part where she picks up the phone. Cover at Wendy the kiss me. And I was like we were talking about like who's this celebrity that you go Kim McAfee over you like Kim McAfee out over and who was yours again. Um I don't remember.

It was the guy from love story. Oh yeah yeah. No I'm in love with him. Yeah. Paul Anthony Kelly.

I think he's beautiful. Everyone says he's a bad actor. Yeah. I don't think that you look like I don't know. I don't know if I'm just like dick metized probably.

Yeah. But you know what that's my truth. And that's my like. That's right. Yeah.

Like Lala once said on watch what happens. I've he makes me go pop pop pop pop and my panty's go drop drop. Make it go pop pop pop. Until my panty's goes drop drop. Okay.

Yeah. So you would do my low. Yeah. Who would you do? Probably the JFK Junior guy.

Yeah. I feel like that would be like a chic post break up relationship. Like he's like an up and I mean they're both up and commerce. Yeah. And it's like yeah.

That's that's like our aless moment. Yeah.

“I think like you would go on like really chic dates with him and like you both would like”

these so well dressed and look like super hot together. My low would be like my cougar moment where I'd be like oh my god. There's like a 10 year age gap. Like how old is he? He's like 25.

Wow. Yeah. I don't know how the Paul Anthony Kelly. I think is around my age. Yeah.

I'm so that'd be okay. Is he like Canadian? Yeah. In a hot. You know I love a Canadian.

Like I find a lot of the times when I have a celebrity crush. I'll find out. I'm like oh they're Canadian. It's like a trend. Like Taylor Kitch.

I remember what I was in love with him and then I found out he's Canadian. Like oh it seems like a lot of the fellas that I get interested in. Celebrity wise. I find out later they're Canadian. And I think that's because they all aren't Canadians like nice and sweet.

Yeah.

“Like I think I if it weren't for Matt like I think I would go Canadian.”

I'd probably move to Vancouver or something and just find my own Paul Anthony Kelly. I couldn't blame you. Yeah. What else do we get? What else do we got to talk about with the summer house stuff?

There was something else I wanted to bring up and I'm blanking right now. Oh God. I mean do we think a statement is coming? I hope a statement's coming but. From there.

They haven't filmed the reunion yet. So there's it's possible they are trying. Now I do want to say that they have sort of given statements like Kyle on watching I've wests was unwatched and I've been alive this week and said. Kind of give a word salad answer to do you see the clip.

It was like. I took her out on the town or whatever and looking back at that now. I'm like oh there was it's clear. That something was going on with them because the way he answered it was weird. And you turn kind of red.

Yeah.

And Amanda had said in it interview like oh I would never date one of the cast members.

And whatever. But that was obviously a cover up right. Well here's yes because here's what bothered me is like I remember. We were at Bravacon. Amanda and Kyle were barely together that entire weekend.

Anyone who was there. You could tell they were broken up. Yeah. They didn't even acknowledge each other. They were never together.

Then she I got way rationally mad about that. TikTok she did where she's like I'm in my new place. And I ended up being like a play house for like a dog house or something. And I kind of felt like she was like poking fun at all of us for speculating. But then we ended up being right.

So it's like we've seen you. That annoys me. Yeah. Me too because I'm like oh now I'm supposed to feel bad that you announced your divorce. And like we already knew this and you made fun of all of us.

It could make me grow so now.

But I remember coming back from Bravacon and talking about people give me a lot of shit.

Not only for pressing Amanda and Sierra about in Kyle about all that stuff. People were mad at me and were like oh well you know you shouldn't have said that. Because they're obviously still together or whatever. Fuck off. And then we find out later it was like yeah they weren't.

But I was right. But it was like a lot of people I did get like angry messages that I was like. Feeding the rumor mill about that. And I was like well actually it was they weren't together and they were lying to all of us. And I understand like if if you were I were to be like lying about our relationship or something.

That's one thing. But like their whole their career is really.

“Show casing their real lives like that's what we're consuming.”

That's the the content that they're putting out. That's the show they're giving us. And so then when you're lying to the audience about your life like.

We can live anyone if you have an office job or something sure go ahead and lie about your life.

But you can't get mad at the audience. And the whole show we've been watching of summer house is largely been Kyle and Amanda like about their relationship. So then don't all of a sudden act like it's inappropriate that. People are interested in these relationships because that's what it is. If you don't want that I get that I wouldn't want that either.

But then you need to get off the show and do another do an office job or something. Like that's where I get really frustrated when sometimes like the reality TV stars. They want to act like victims of something. And it's like yeah well you're also making hundreds of thousands of dollars on the Buffalo Wad brings Brand Deal. Right.

And it's kind of a given take and you're not you're signed up for a show where you're not in control of the narrative. It's a TV show like you're if you want to just do a podcast where you control the narrative. That's one thing. But like you're on an entertainment TV show. So then don't act like it's so crazy when people are like interested in it.

Or and then don't lie to the audience when it's about that. And I devil's advocate maybe it's like some protecting like they didn't know they were broken up here. They weren't sure where they were going or whatever. But I'm more cynical than that.

“I'm like I think they all they know and they just weren't ready to like reveal the information.”

100% and yeah I think it's like for business purposes. I think a lot we've seen a lot of like bravo people kind of like flub timelines for their own benefit. But yeah it's like we're going to speculate because we have a parallel social relationship with you guys because we watch reality show. Thank you Ron. I'm looking online right now.

I'm like make sure in real time that we're not missing anything. Oh my god. I'm so stressed. There's still a lot of people who are speculating about like an April Fool's thing. And there's really would be nothing worse.

I think for all around if they came out and said oh this is April Fool's prank. I actually would everyone want to turn on them. Honestly like I think there's nothing more juvenile than April Fool's. I hate April Fool's. I fucking hate it and hate it.

There's some weirdo on the internet that's like I'm pregnant just kidding. And I know the pregnancy. You can't be talking about that. How do people not know that? I don't get how people do not know that.

It's like and then they're like April Fool's and like that's wildly insensitive. Actually and it's just like dumb.

There's always a housewife that does it.

Oh my god. Grow up. Wait speaking of being too woke. I was watching somewhere house last week. This is comes back around.

But you know how they were all dressed as old people. I like how to chew woke moment because they were riding around on electric scooters. And it's like they're doing Mario Kart cosplay and these luxury scooters but dress as old people. And I remember reading. I had this moment where I was watching and I remembered reading about like how a lot of old people either can't afford or can't get access to old to scooters.

And I was thinking, "God, these assholes. Just on television, just scooting around and they're electric scooters. And the old people who need them can't get them." Well, moment. And then I had her.

I was like okay dating like calm down. Maybe they, I'm sure they like that's such an occurs thing to get upset about. Did they donate them out? But yeah, I was like, I was like, "Face motherfuckers. How dare they when old people cannot get access to their scooters?"

Their culture is not your costume. Okay. Okay. I, can I say something controversial? Sure.

I'm sick of the whole hot girl ugly costume trope on this show. Oh yeah. They're so hot.

“I'm like, is it just so silly that I wear like this weird nose or like that I have giant saggy titties?”

I'm like, you're all the most beautiful people I've ever seen in my life. Cute and thumb for you to like look unfortunate for like five seconds. But like some people just look like that and it's not fun for them. I hate it because it's just like watching an improv scene at the groundlings, which I spent years doing. Okay.

And so it, it's perhaps triggering and traumatic for me. Yeah. But it's like a bad improv. Like it's just they're all doing when they were all in their old costumes like cheers into. Do you do five years out of pill bottles or something like that?

I'm like, oh, they're all just doing too much. It's too much. And I don't need like, if felt like 10 minutes of them acting like old people.

Like we're watching West dresses Mrs. Dauper and it's like, that's not Robin Williams. Okay. It just annoyed me. I know. I don't know anything.

But sometimes when I get triggered by like things like that on TV, I do have to look in more to me. Like what's going on with me, you know? And I'm going to say what's going on with me is that I'm jealous of how hot they all are. Well, they're yeah, they're all hot. Do you find West hot? Does this change? I was sort of really coming around.

You hated him and then you liked him and now I literally. I saw him over Super Bowl weekend. I had a blast with him. He was really cool to like everyone including like the content creators. The crew like he was just like a nice guy. And I do think there's a certain like charisma in person.

That's like he's just fun. Like he's naturally very flirty. He loves to get drunk and eat like two of my favorite things. Like I think he'd be a really fun guy to be friends with.

“So I could see why maybe that's how this started.”

But like it's unfortunate because it's like I was having fun reading for West. I would have had fun. I guess reading for Amanda's like single girl era. But like I cannot endorse any of this because I just think it was very unnecessary. Right. Right.

I, yeah. I've been enough to see how that all plays out. Like I, yeah.

I always kind of like I liked West.

I didn't like that was it last season or whatever. I didn't like him for a season. Well, yeah, because that was post him screwing over Sierra, and then he kind of did this thing where he sort of shut down and like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

and do you think Levi's even on it? - I don't think I was just gonna say, I was gonna say this earlier actually. I think there's like the A team group chat and then there's like B team, like I think.

- Do you think Paige is on the A team still? - I think Paige is on it, but she muted it and she never checks it. - Yeah. - Yeah.

- Like I feel like when Hannah was on the show, there was a chat with the whole cast except for Hannah. - Mm. - But no one told her about not even Paige.

“And I think like with this current cast,”

it's like there's definitely splintered group chats right now wherever it is like the fuck is going on. - Where do you make of Carl? This has nothing to do with Carl. This has nothing to do with anything other than...

- I'm worried about him. - Yeah. - I think like there's a softness and a sensitivity to Carl. Where I just worry about how this is gonna like impact his emotional well-being

and like shatter everything he thought he knew. - You know, I was really at the beginning of the season trying to get behind Carl 'cause I've been historically tough on Carl because I do not think he's been a good human up

until maybe a year ago. - Mm-hmm. - And I've noticed a change in a growth in him that I was like, you know what? I'm gonna get behind Carl.

But then I struggled at the beginning of the season and then he dressed in the old man makeup and I fell in love with him. - I know, wait a minute. - I said, oh, there it is, that's who I'm here to support.

- Mm-hmm. - And yeah, I do worry he seems so fragile. - Yeah. - His interactions, his brief interactions with Lindsay. It feels like he's got more intensity than she does with it.

And it makes me just, I worry for him. And I worry about soft bar. I mean, all the businesses, it looks like lover boy is floundering, I don't know, lover boy. I don't think lover boy can come back from this.

- I don't think so either. - I did also, speaking of our sleep paralysis, demon Bethany. She, she posted a TikTok about lover boy. It showed up on my thing.

And it was like, you know how she always has to act

like she's invented everything. - She's covered in it. - She discovered business in alcohol and drinks. And she's first in the market. And she was like, "Monk, fruit, salsa, water."

- Yeah, she was like, going on this big thing about how hard the industry is and TV doesn't transit to sales. You've got to get out at the right time. I mean, like, it was this big long TikTok. But it made me think, I don't know if lover boy can come back

from this.

“- Yeah, I mean, I think it was already floundering, like you said,”

I've also tried lover boy, and I don't think it's-- - Piss water? - Yeah, I do. - They're all piss water. - I'm not really like a spike tea kind of person in general.

But I just kind of thought I had that fake sugar taste to it, even though it's, I think it's sweetened with Monk fruit. But it just, it wasn't my thing. And the merch was arguably the most lucrative part of that business, which Amanda was behind.

- I honestly, that's a even bigger nightmare to me than living in the house with a married couple who's arguing all the time is only being able to drink lover boy. Like, I know they can't, they're allowed to drink other things. But even if I did like it,

I wouldn't want to only drink a lover boy, like-- - No, same.

- It seems to, and Grandma, I've never tried it.

So I don't know how it tastes. But any of those kind of specialty drinks

I just want either a beer or a vodka soda

or something basic. - Yeah, there's no. - I don't want a lot of, if I'm drinking a lot of it. - So if I'm having one, I can maybe do one, let her boy.

- Yeah, yeah. - But when they're parting all weekend, and I see them, can't have your can. - I don't know why. - Oh, that's disgusting.

- Also, I'm gonna say something nasty. - Well, here we go. (upbeat music) - What did you just hit? - You'll have to listen about that.

- The branding is upsetting. It's just like millennial nightmare branding. And I don't like it.

“And I think the merch was cute 'cause oftentimes”

it kind of ignored the branding of actual can packaging itself and sort of just did its own thing creatively. And I don't wanna, I like, if I'm gonna drink a can drink,

I wanna feel like chic like holding the can. It's, I feel so sexy with a diet coke in my hand. - Totally. - It's 'cause the branding is like cleaning classic and sexy. I don't feel the way about lover boy's very neon.

- It's a lot going on. - It's a lot going on. - Yeah. - You know what Bethany had said? - What did she say?

So it's got something. - Oh, it's got something to say. - There's this one I count that breaks down every, but I guess like Bethany posted 15... - Was it the back guy?

- It's a guy, yeah, I don't know. - She like hates him. - Does she? - Yeah. - He like goes on there and he's like Bethany posted 15

TikToks today. She deleted five of them immediately. But it makes her sound so crazy. But anyway, she was saying like expanding too much. And that was the other thing with lover boy.

It was like, it felt like there's too many flavors coming out all the time. And maybe that was strategic, but for me as a consumer, it just was like, I don't know which one do I even get?

If I wanted to try it for the first time,

it's like, I don't know, they have not enough now. They have THC ones. Then they have all these different flavors. They got a sweet tea, then they got a lemonade, then they got, and so I wouldn't even know

what's the flagship? Like what is your, if I'm trying this for this? I'm not editing that out. If I'm trying this for the first time, what do I get?

- No, I think you really need to, like-- - I just got two texts, like as I was saying that, one sentence about the summer house. - Oh my God. - There's no news.

I just got two texts of like, what's going on? What do you think? People keep coming to me and I'm like, I don't know. - I'm so-- - But I am on a microphone at this current moment

trying to act like I know. - Literally trying to entertain people while we figure it out, too.

“I feel like you need to like nail, sorry back to lover boy.”

You need to like nail your hero product and then expand. But I felt like the hero product wasn't that impressive to begin with, so then it was kind of like, "Cool, maybe I'll like this other flavor better."

- You saying hero product makes me feel like I'm watching about the knee-tick talk right now? - I'm so sorry. - No, I like it. Let's take one more quick break

and then we're gonna come back. And we stuff, I actually have other thoughts that I wanna get to. We'll be right back. (upbeat music)

(laughing) - Were you attracted to West dressed as Mrs. Staffaire? - No, but I thought it was funny. - I guess like people I didn't realize people told him he looked like Robin Williams.

- All the time. - I didn't even think that, did you? - I see it now that people said it, but I wouldn't have noticed it on my own. - Huh.

- Yeah. - Did you see Amanda posted like a spawncon or maybe it was an interview for like a weed company today? Or it's like, you know, she's really leaning into the weeder. And she like had a blunt

and she like mid-drift-showing blunt. - She's just like a cool girl who just wants to like smoke weed and get drunk and eat food. Also she has abs and like isn't that so cool for her? - I sort of feel like I, she's not who I thought she was.

Is that a, not, I don't know what I thought she was. But I'm noticing like, I don't think I ever had a handle on her personality. - Well, I think I think it's kind of like one of those things where Kyle was so often out of pocket

that like it kind of eclipse. - Yeah, like her personality to me became a victim of this horrific relationship. - Totally. - I guess she had this swimwear thing, but that didn't even

really stick to it. - No, because I mean, is that around? - Yeah, I think she just brought it back.

I think, well, I think the first one was a collab.

I don't know if this one's a collab or if it's like actually her own brand now. But she was very receptive to feedback. I will say people weren't super pleased with the first drop, but she was like receptive.

- Well, because it was like disintegrating as you put it on or something. - Probably and also it's like the whole thing was like, she's gonna make swimsuits for girls with big boobs, but like she kind of didn't.

Like it's like she, like at the end of the day, she's a very thin woman who happens to have big boobs. And so it was kind of just like those swimsuits work for thin women and thin women with big boobs, but like if you're maybe a curvy or women with big boobs,

will it still support your big boobs? - Interesting.

“- I don't know if that made sense, but that's what I mean.”

- That's what I mean. - Boobs in general don't really make sense to me. - I hate shopping for swimsuits, 'cause I have big boobs and it's a nightmare. - Yeah.

- And I have a big butt. So it's like buckle up. - When I was a kid, I was like a t-shirt in the water,

- That's so scary. - I had like a very, I had a couple years, a very chubby childhood years, and it was like, my body dysmorphia, I started at that time early, very early.

- Yeah. - And it was like, oh, I wanna wear that t-shirt in the pool. Anyway, that's sad. - I had the girl version of that, which was I would wear 10 cleanings,

which is like a 10-tap bikini, but like what's so diabolical about 10 kinis is they cut you off at your lower stomach, which like, who has a flat lower stomach? Like I definitely don't.

And so it was literally just like a little window for like arguably one of my most self-conscious areas. So you know, I'm right there with you.

- I always like the trend of like,

you know, from, I don't know if it's like the 1920s or something like men's putting the waist above the little, above the belly button basically or like right around the belly button. - To me that's ideal, because like that's my problem areas.

Like right there and so I always hope and pray that like that's like a low-rise gene. I don't want it. - I can't see what. - I just feel muffin-topy.

- Oh, same. - Like give me, I want the trend where it's above the belly button. - Yeah, I know, you see those like cute videos of like hot guys in the 50s, but they're like, - It was ideal, even if you watch old clips

like Marlon Brando or something, so hot. - Uh, you know, the pants, the waist was high. And it's like a beater and the pant above the belly button, ideal. - Have you ever heard of his natural voice?

- Uh, yes. - It's so high, I'm pretty. - It's so high. - Yeah. - And like, he's just so cute and like flirty.

- No, I'm too so handsome. - I know so. - And the other thoughts about summer house stuff. - I just, I worry for the future. I also, I will say, I think if the sense of being true,

I do think Sarah is gonna leave the show. - Yeah. - But do you think Kyle would? - No, you know when I was trying to grow Kyle about watching, watching happens live.

And I think this might have been off air. But I think he wants like another season,

“'cause I think this season maybe it's not good for him, right?”

- Mm, yeah. - And I think he wants another season, so although they're doing in the city, I think they all maybe could want another season of summer house. - Demions season?

- Yeah. - Do you think they're gonna pick up cameras again? Do you think they are right now? - I think they might be right now. I do think they might be right now.

- Jill, 'cause there's one thing. But here's the thing. - Well, there's also this rumor, Do Maupos of this, too, of like, the network is like, gonna cancel it or something.

But I think that's like the opposite of what would happen. I don't think there's any way. But I do think they're scrambling because allegedly my take is, and I've said that on the podcast before

is that they'll like lead in to, they will lead in to from summer house into the new, into the city.

So basically, like they'll be a Kyler,

whoever will be at summer house, and then we'll see him drive into the city and that'll launch this year. - Yeah.

“- I think that's probably what'll happen.”

And this throws a wrench in that because I had imagined they already have that done. Edited, ready to go. And so how do I, I was thinking about this yesterday, actually like this is kind of a nitty-gritty thing,

but like how do they edit that? How do they edit this all into it then? Because then you can't really do that seamless transition. - It doesn't make sense. - Right. - Maybe they, one of the options I was thinking

is like maybe this gets tacked on to in the city, at the end of that season. Or they're gonna have to do some inception style timeline where it's like the finale opens with this stuff. And then we go backwards and then,

- They love doing that. - Yeah, 'cause there's gonna have to- - Yeah, there's gonna have to be some sort of reediting because that's how I would imagine in the city.

- Do you think it's gonna look? - If there's any truth to what Dumwap hosted about Bravo Excrampling for contingency plans and stuff and the event that this ends up being true, do you think Bravo would scramble to find another show

for Sierra to be on if she wanted to be? Or do you think they would just let her walk? - I think she would- - She could be on in the city. - What?

- Isn't she going to be? - No. - Oh, she's not.

“- I think they would keep Sierra on some her house”

and keep Amanda on the city, right? 'Cause Amanda's already in the city. - What about? - Still in summer, I mean, I think they would- - I don't think Sierra would co-habitate with that, man.

- Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. - I mean, like, 'cause I think it's like, whatever Sierra wants to do. - I mean, they're not gonna like give her a whole show.

- No, no, no. - And then she doesn't fit in. They are starting. I did just hear a rumor that there's like another New York show that is in the works or something that's sort of like,

I don't know if this is even past like, or got picked up or anything, but I did hear they're like, either doing one or filming a pilot or something like that of like another New York show.

That's not how swive, so it's not that age.

I mean, the truth is Sierra could sort of fit in with Roni.

- Like age wise 'cause they skewed that lower,

even though that's a flop show. We don't need her there. - No, she deserves better.

“- She's too old, I think, for in the city.”

Or, I mean, next gen. She'd be like, why am I with all these children? - Yeah. So I don't know. - Yeah, I don't know either.

I have a thought show. - She already did take her. - She did take her reality show in LA and put us on it. - Well, there you go. - I don't know that.

Would you want a reality show? - No, I don't think so. - I think I'm too scared. - I would just want to be a friend.

I always think it'd be fun to be a friend.

- Friend of. - Yeah, like just to be in a confessional and like talk shit. - No. - Like I don't want to get in the mix of them. - But then they were union.

Yeah, I would want to be a friend of 'cause you could talk shit

“and then people online who'd be like, you're so funny, oh my god, that one liner was gray, I agree with you, but then you don't have to show up for the union where people are like, why the fuck did you say that about me?”

- Yeah, I think the final one. - Forever all is perfect. - Yeah. - Uh, they are doing the next gen L-A, though. - Mm-hmm.

- But then it's like, I was seeing some of the cast for it and I'm like, I don't give a flying fuck about.

It was like, I was like, how Richard's daughter, like, I'm sorry they've tried to make, they've got plus them.

But they've been trying 100 shows to make them happen and it's not going to happen. They did a Netflix show, they've been on Beverly Hills Housewives, they're not interesting. - Yeah. - Unfortunately, I'm sure they're wonderful and they're beautiful, but there's some people, it's like they're not made for reality to eat. - They don't pop off the page.

- Yeah, I'm like enough with that family, like I actually don't want Kyle on Beverly Hills anymore. To me she's sucking out all the air of that show and so then we're going to give the daughters 100 shows. - I have fatigue, bring back to these creatures and her wild ones. - I want the wild things on, I know that's fascinating to me, but I do get frustrated within the reality TV, Ecosphere or whatever. Like I'm, I'm really fine even with Sierra or Amanda or any of them.

I'm not attached to any of them that I need them to get on another show or anything, like if this is the end of the road for this trio of people, like great, they went out with the page, I'm okay not seeing them again. Even I felt differently with scanned of all, I was like, "Oh god, people are going to yell at me for saying this." But even with sand of all, it's like he's kind of like such a mess that I want him on another rail. You know, like I kind of am interested, I hate to say that, but I'm kind of interested in seeing him be a mess elsewhere.

Like I don't know that I'm so interested in West Amanda or Sierra that I need them 100, I don't care if they go on or not. Well I think like, I think grand scheme of life, they all seem pretty like stable for reality TV, like I don't think they gave us the level of mess that Santaval did. I mean, obviously like Amanda and Kyle have had some like really insane fights, Sierra has gotten into it with people before, but as far as like consistent mess and chaos, like Santaval is in a league of his own. You know, like they didn't really, and honestly the blueprint really should be Ariana if anything, it's like I'd like to see Sierra go host, she's been hosting anyway.

It's like, go host to show or something like that. She would be great. Joel can boost her hosted love, I love hotel or whatever. And I think like that would be a great outlet for Sierra if Joel doesn't cause I know Joel's on scrubs now. So it's like that would be interesting to me. I could definitely see her going that Ariana wrote where it's like, wrote, route, hello. Or she'd be great as a bad threat, but go ahead.

Yeah, right where she like hosts and then she like that will lead to like some speaking roles on some stuff. Like I could definitely see her having like like the way that there's rumors that like Paige is going to have a cameo and devil wears proud of two. Like I could see Sierra doing stuff like that. Yeah, and then Amanda could sit on in the city west to stay on some or house. And then it's like, yeah, they all kind of win out of it.

I don't know how Kyle and Amanda do in the city. I don't understand that. That I need to watch. Yeah. Because then I'm like, is Kyle going to be able to like spin this straw into gold and be like, yes, even though I was in a diabolical terror. Now you all feel bad for me.

That was something I wanted to ask you like, do you think Kyle's going to be able to flip this? Like public perception of him in a positive way? Because I kind of think he will. I'm not saying that's a good thing or I agree with that, but I think it'll happen. Sometimes I feel so fucking stupid as like a bravo viewer because like, I'll be so mad that something will happen.

It's like squirrel. And then I just like look in the other direction and forget.

“And like I have friends who are so smart about being like, but never forget that in season two.”

That's how I feel about Carl. Yeah, I feel like everyone sort of just forgot that Carl was like a nightmare. And yes, I understand he was like abusing substances and going through tough time and everything. But I'm like, do are we all just sort of now he's like a puppy dog and people treat him like a puppy dog? And I'm not saying he doesn't seem sweet and everything now and has growth and change.

But I kind of think like, I'm not forgetting like, kind of the messy Carl. Everybody else is forgetting the messy Carl. And you're like, I'm here to tell you that man was messy. Yeah, I will be interested to see how Kyle flips this. I will say I think like I think Kyle definitely apologized for the way he treated Amanda like as soon as it aired.

It seemed like everything was fine with them by the time this even aired. I think the reunion is going to be really telling as far as how Kyle can or cannot spin this in his favor. I think I could see him kind of laying low and like shutting the fuck up about it and just letting the audience kind of run with it.

I think that's kind of what he's doing.

“I think the most he's engaged with this is like obviously he was asked how much what happens when you were there.”

And then you responded to a two judgy girls like thread about they're like no one gives a shit about how Kyle feels. And he like posted like a hand raising emoji with a crying emoji. But he also posted a picture of him and Sierra together, which I thought was like a little cryptic. Oh yeah, and then the location tag was psych ward. And then the song he put with it was about like finding people who are there for you.

The thing that I think he's smarter about than maybe a time scene of all or was is like Kyle even with his post. Where he apologized to Amanda for how he treated her last week on the on the episode. It just felt like a the right kind of a pilot. It was just like, yeah, I was so I was dumb or whatever. I forget the exact wording, but it was just like taking ownership of the behavior.

And not with like a butt.

Like I feel like Tom scene of all would always.

I can't remember back to that time, but I always felt like it was always a sorry. Oh, but she did this. Yeah, no truly. Do you think the end of all should be on the valley? No.

I'm so tired of him. I'm so excited for that show to come back though. Yeah. I need it. Yeah.

Injected in my veins. I mean the darkness. I really want a secret knee date. Like that's what I'm most excited about for that show. I know.

Which I don't think a lot of people are that excited about it. But I want to just see her have a date not. They not. Give that woman a date not. Yeah, like I think it'll be funny.

I don't know. I kind of like more than anything. I'm just excited to see Brittany without the baggage of Jacks. Like even if she ends up being a nightmare. Like I think that'll be fun to watch.

I don't know. Yeah. Whatever we get from her. Whatever we get from her. Like I'll have some laugh.

I also. I love watching Brittany because it's fun to do the Kentucky accent, which I do lovingly like my mother-in-law lives in Kentucky. Like, fam. We have family.

Yeah. It's all that. Yeah. I'm excited about Brittany. Brittany has like a lot of pent up anger.

And she always has. I don't think it's all as a result of Jacks. She, I think there's like that like country girl in there who is dying to pull someone's hair and like getting a bar fight.

“You know, I just saw somebody post a clip of remember that when she found the faith recording and they're all like wasted.”

Yeah. That's all recorded. Right now. And somebody says, um, I think it was James says like something about says the word sweetheart. She's like, I am a sweetheart.

I am a sweetheart. That's like her thesis statement. It's like her angerly yelling. I am a sweetheart. I can least learn.

I am a sweetheart. And it's like that's that's Brittany. It is. It's like that's what I want to see. Even watching her date.

I'm like, Oh, well, she's going to try to be a sweetheart. But then we know underneath. There's like this other layer. There's a darkness. Yeah.

But then she on camera always presents like is a sweetheart.

I know. I love when she, I love when she can't harness her rage. And it just like burst out. I am a sweetheart. I am a sweetheart.

Also, when she was like, knock him the fuck out. Yeah. Stand of all brought up her homophobic pastor. Oh, yeah. Also, I'm excited for.

Jessie Lally's girlfriend, Lacy and Michelle Sanye. Oh, yeah. Get in the mix. Because I think Lacy, like, I love that she's coming in. Like, people are already siding her because she was so anti last season.

And all of a sudden, she's getting her own story line or whatever. Right. And I haven't watched the premiere yet. But they did have member last season. The finale, like, Lacy, Jessie's whatever.

Oh, wait. I think there was an update. Okay. You look up the update. And I'll tell this story.

Oh, my God. Oh, my God. There was something. Wait. Wait.

Oh, my God. What's happening? What's happening? What's happening? Hold on.

Matt, turn on the fan. Oh, my God. What's the statement? Read it. Oh, my God.

We've seen the growing online speculation. So while this is all still very new, we wanted to provide some clarity.

It was never our intention to purposely hide anything.

Given the complicated relationship dynamics involved in the scrutiny that comes with being on a reality show. We needed a little space to process things privately before speaking on it. We weren't up for each other as friends over the years through all the highs and lows. And what's developed recently was the last thing either of us expected. Our connection grew out of genuine, longstanding friendship, which made it especially important for us to approach this with care.

As our feelings evolved, we wanted to take time to understand exactly what we were feeling. We also recognized that this has had an impact beyond just us. And never wonder actions to cause any hurt or be perceived as careless. We truly appreciate the understanding of respect as we navigate this. Wow.

I am sweating. I have the fucking chills. So it's real. Who posted that? Amanda.

Amanda. Amanda was to their stories. Wow. Okay. This happened at the perfect time.

Someone just must as me. Matt, get the fan. I know I got a bunch of text all of a sudden. I just got a bunch of text. I got some text.

I got some text. It's happening. Okay. Okay. Okay.

We got to break this down. So title there. Okay. So it's true. So we just did an hour speculating and not it's true.

“Honestly, I'm so glad that we, like, we'll never forget where we were when we saw that.”

No, this was real. So it is real. Wow. So I'm glad they finally said something. Holy shit.

And sounds like it's actually like a relationship, right?

I mean, I was sort of in shock as you were reading that statement. But they're in love. They're, that's, I need to hear everyone's reaction now. I need to know how's you are taking this. How long?

How long? How long? It didn't say how long. It didn't say how long did it? No.

Wow. Wow. This is going to be great for the show. When did it first happen? Everyone's going to be coming through the episode this week and next week.

And they still have like a handful of episodes left. And now aren't you looking at even last week on the show with West sort of sticking up for me and a, right? Remember he was like the only one who was like, I'm going to go check on her. And then he goes, and this week on the show he's like, I got to talk to Kyle about this.

So it's like, was that leads, that sort of makes me feel like there was a connection then. I know. Last summer.

And clips of him always being like super handsy with her and her being handsy with him and him like picking her up.

But she took it on.

“Do you think Ben the flirting with Ben was like her way of hearing the red herring?”

I don't know if she's got that. Do you feel like you've got it? I mean, no, she might be. I don't know if she's that like calculated. I guess is what I'm saying.

Yeah. What do you think? I was going to say, do you think out of the man on summer house? Who do you think can get it up the best? Probably West.

Because I feel like I don't know if sometimes feel like I've said this on my podcast. I don't know where whispering. I don't know where whispering. I know. Because I feel like it's an inappropriate thing to speculate on, but you know what we're here.

Do you like to sorry? Yeah. Apologies and events.

But I always feel like a lot of the men.

I'm like, I don't think they'd be good at sex. But I do think West actually might be. I was unfortunately. Unfortunately. Yeah.

I'm not supportive of his actions at this moment. No. Oh my god, Danny. I'm bereft. So, I mean, I guess I don't even know how do we end this.

How do we end this? Where do we go from here? Where do we go from here is the truth? I mean, we speculate on sort of where the cast goes. And now, I guess our opinions aren't changing because we thought it was real.

And now we're getting confirmation that was real. Yeah, we're confirmation. I do like being right. That's one of my great choice in this life. I feel bad that I wasn't right.

It's okay. It's like that time of skin of all when the week before, skin of all happened, I was on my podcast singing Tom's praises. And it was like he's, I was like he's really sweet guy. You're married.

I didn't know. And then it was like two days later, skin of all happened. And people were like, Danny, I'm listening to your podcast from this week. And you were like going on and on and on and on.

“Well, I think that's other thing too is,”

you probably get this more than me. But like, I think sometimes people think that because we're sort of like in the like Bravo content creator sphere that we like, have secret intel or that we're like super close that we have all these contacts. It's like, I purposely try not to be Icarus. And I try not to fly too close to the sun because when I have historically,

it's like been so much drama that I just like physically can't take it. So I try not to get too close to anyone because then I don't feel like I can have fun as a commentator. So telling that line is hard.

But I do always try to share the information that I know in like a respectful and cryptic way,

because I do often find out things. Not even just from cast members, like sometimes from cast members, whatever. And I don't ever want to like spoil the show because I think these shows are fun to watch. Totally. But if you people listen to my podcast often will say like, "Oh, you're right about this thing."

And sometimes I'm like, "Yeah, because I knew about it." And I like didn't want us outright to say, you know? Yeah, I mean, there is even a couple of things I've said on this episode that we just did that I'm like, I kind of shared things in a cryptic way. Wait, wait.

I felt like before we started recording, I told you I was like, I feel like at this point I have like 15 friends in the Bravovers who have confirmation from someone. Yes, this was the situation where I didn't actually have any knowledge. Like this was the situation I was like, I kind of went back and forth a hundred times at first I didn't believe it. Yeah.

Within the last like 48 hours, I think I got more and more confirmation. Going back to what we talked about at the beginning with Kyle, I really believe he's in shock about this. Because just after doing watching happens, I have with him, I don't think he, I really end my heart and soul. Do not believe that he had knowledge of this.

But I could be wrong. What do I know? He could have been, but I do feel like this is going to be a surprise to him. There's nothing worse though than the betrayal of like, Not that he's, he's not the victim in this.

No, I'm talking about Sierra, especially Sierra. Yes, Sierra. There's nothing worse than like a close girlfriend of yours like sneaking around with a guy you like behind your back. Like it's because it's like, of course, like fuck west, that wasn't nice of him to do, but from girlfriends you just expect more and you expect it different from friends.

“And you just should not, you should not, like go find another man or something like it's not worth.”

I just think it's cheap and it's very restaurant culture coded. Yeah, like you don't, you could find somebody else. Go fuck Jesse or someone like anyone else. Anyone else. It's like, I just think like, I hope Sierra is okay, but like that kind of like shock,

like that kind of betrayal and experiencing that so publicly, like it really hurts. And I hope that she's hanging in there. I'll say like, like best case scenario is like the whole internet's like going to rally behind her. The whole cast is right behind her.

Like I don't think, do you think everyone's going to obviously turn on a man to last, right?

I think so. Like how do, yeah, I don't know where they, I feel like they're going to be the ones. I hate them. Yeah, I feel like they're not going to come off as well. Do you obviously get Jennifer Lawrence movie mother?

No, I'm really trying to put it on one thing. It was like not for me. Well, there's a scene where like this house full of people just starts like kicking the shit out of her and being like.

“And I'm like, that's how it feels when someone in the bravo versus something wrong.”

Or the whole internet's just like, yeah, I know. Like mom's job. And I hope, I mean, with both a man than West, I think that will happen. It will. Unfortunately, but I hope everyone is like not as brutal.

I know, it's like, it's hard because it's like, I, you know, I've talked to you about this. Like, I'm trying to learn the line of like, how do I comment on these things in a way that's like not something that I can't take back. That's really going to like, fuck with someone's feelings or fuck with their life. And like, I want to like have fun with it with everyone else and comment on it. But like, I do think people need to remember there is a line.

Like, these are still all probably cross it. Well, we've probably already have. But what I'm just saying, like, you know, do you want to get like death threats and stuff? Yeah, I don't want that. That's right.

Kind of worry. That's what I don't. Don't threaten them. Like, chill out. And I think that anything what we should do is like celebrate Sierra.

Yes. And, and yeah, and we can still sort of hate the other ones. But, but yeah, I just don't. I want, I just because I imagine it would be such a mind fuck. I think sister circle though, I think it's like, let's hate on them like on these air waves.

But maybe let's not like be trolls in the comments. That's like a personal boundary. Yeah, like this is a personal space. Yeah, this is sister circle. This is great mugs.

Yeah, like we're here. We're here together. We're here with you. We're here with you. Between us girlfriends.

So everything we stay is between us. Yeah. So yeah. But yeah. But again, they shouldn't have done that.

I mean, it's a really sneaky, it's sneaky of Amanda. Who do you think it's sneakiest of Amanda, right? I think Amanda. I think Amanda. And I know people are going to be like, oh my god.

Why do I always so mean to women?

I'm like, because girl betrayal hits different. Guys are simple creatures, respectively. Amanda, like, especially straight men. Very simple creatures. Very dumb.

Amanda, like, it's like girl you knew that was fucked up. Also, Danny, this is such a stupid idea too. But yeah, what?

“I think the other thing that maybe we're not holding on.”

I want to hear that thought. But the other thing that maybe we didn't mention is like West. And Sierra also had a very close. I feel like maybe even closer than Amanda. And he's keep saying that this season of like, we were really closer than anyone knows.

So you know, it actually might be as I'm talking through it. It's like maybe him betraying betraying betraying. Sierra even more. Yeah, because that's the other thing too, is like the other thing that's pissing me off of.

And seeing online is people downplaying the relationship that West and Sierra had, where they're like, oh, it's never that serious. I'm like, I think it was. And he said that in a confessional this season. Yeah.

Just maybe last week or something. He's like, people don't really know how close we were. Yeah. And as the seasons been airing, it's like they went to the Super Bowl with a group of people ever.

She's been kind of giving him more chances. And then this is what he does with that extra chance. I'm actually more pissed at West now. All right. Now we're now.

What was the thing that you were going to say? I was going to say this in this opportunity to go. Cut. Cut. We got you.

We got you. I'm getting all of these texts. What is in the end of thinking? Somebody just texted. Wow.

Oh my god. What's happening? I'm getting so many texts. I really hope you guys enjoyed being on this journey with us because God knows it was a roller coaster.

Oh, I know. I feel like I need to like throw up.

“I think it's really good to hear something.”

Matt. Get the marble lights. Hey, Amber, go get my smokes. Get the smokes. I need a fresh heater and some sigs.

Uh, yeah. I don't know. Where we go from here. But you know what? The show's going to be.

This is going to help in the city. This is going to help somewhere else. That show is. That show is. And unfortunately, Bravo.

I hope they learn their lesson and don't completely recast the show. Like they do with the Vanderpump rolls. Ratings were through the roof with the Vanderpump. Like they were like, let's reboot it's like, what the fuck were you thinking? Don't touch it.

Like what the fuck? I know it was like stale towards the end and I get creatively. But it's way worse now and nobody's watching. So like, and it from a business mind, it's like, how fucking dumb were you all to reboot Vanderpump rolls when the ratings were like through the roof.

Even in that last, again, I know it was like the cast didn't want to film with each other and stuff. It's like, well, still figured out because look at how the audience just went away. So if summer house does this whole thing where like, Oh, well, they can't film together.

We're just going to completely recast. It's like, everybody's just going to leave the show. Yeah. You don't fuck around with it that much. Don't touch it.

Make some changes if you got it. You know, if you got to get ready to leave, I still be okay. So they're they're had to be casualties. Levi's gone. We know that.

We knew that.

Just going back to Levi for a second.

We'll wrap this up. She. The fucking played it wrong because look at Western Amanda. So she must have known she should leave. I should have released a statement first because then she could have been in the mix.

Now she now she's just no chance for her being in the mix.

but that could have saved her ass.

And she's fucking no. Could have saved her ass. Superstar. Superstar. All right, Hannah.

“Anything else you want to say before we got this was a long episode.”

But you know what? It was important. I think people appreciate it. Follow me at Hannah Erin Brown. Erin spelled like a boy across platforms.

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We didn't get to talk about love story. Did you like the finale? Oh, give constant summer the Emmy. Yeah, she was so good. So was the--

And the mayoral's daughter. Of course, mayoral's daughter. Fucking left no crumbs.

“But I will say the rewriting of what that plane”

Right actually looked like was probably for the best because it would have been really hard to stomach. Like what it was actually like. But they were not getting long when that plane went down as a longtime CDK fan.

Unfortunately, watching it all the way through made me think like these two probably shouldn't have been together. No. And it's toxic.

Um, I did like how the finale focus more on like constant and mayoral's daughter. I agree. Like I thought that was the smart move. Because we all knew it was coming.

And then I was like, oh, that was more interesting. To God. I mean, like just the lost they both suffered horrible. A lot of people have been saying we need to show like the Calvin Klein offices in the 90s.

And I would love that. I would love that. It could be fictional. Like we don't have to be. But I'm going to say right here.

“Right now, I don't want Ryan Murphy to do it.”

Right. Like enough. I don't want Ryan Murphy's flop. I thought love story was amazing. I think most of it was just a slap.

Well, the problem is a lot of his stuff.

It like starts really good. And then. But but but the love story finale. That was really good. It was I would say one of the best episodes of the season.

Because the one before that was like a slow burn. And it was really boring and depressing. I didn't like it. Yeah. Um, I just want like the needle.

I like the 90s needle drops. Yes. People looking hot. Like that. And then the like some drama.

Uh, I mean, we need the 90s Calvin Klein show. Yeah. Uh, let me hand it. Okay. We'll we'll come back again.

And we'll do a great mix episode where we just talked about nonsense. This was all about summer house. Love you all so much. Oh, and I should also mention. I'm going to be releasing another episode later this week with Bravo.

Stuff hopefully. So that's a plan. So I know we covered summer house. Uh, but there's a lot of other stuff going on. Rhode Island housewives is coming this week.

Atlanta starting on Sunday. I don't know exactly. The valley starting this week. So we got a lot of other shows going on. So I'm going to try to pick up the microphone and cover some of them later this week.

But for now, I did you do. Um, thank you for listening everything. I kind of, but I love you. You can't get it. Yeah.

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