Riggs BANS Fore Play From Posting About Tiger Woods (Heated Argument)

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It's saying a hobby. Poor play, because of my bar stool sports, we've got the full squad back after last week was a little bit different. We're on the road, we've filmed with Ludwig, did a nice awesome, awesome podcast interview with him, but our very own Kevin Kisner has returned from the coverage of the Houston Open, which had an incredible ending.

We obviously have a lot to talk about in the world of golf and beyond just Tiger Woods, man. You know, it's just been one of the wildest 17 years in history as supporters and defenders of Tiger Woods. Not easy business, we have an amazing amount to get into. As I'm sure people know, I don't know where everybody wants to start on this one. I have a lot to say on the matter, as people could probably imagine the first thing I'll say before we decide where to start.

It's just an incredibly sad thing. I hope that Tiger Woods, everybody involved, honestly, is just like doing as well as they can. I think Anthony Kim put it incredibly well, where he's just said basically, I don't know what this guy's going through. I don't know what he's dealing with.

He said it is at my business as someone who has and will always deal with my own issues like every other human.

I pray the man who positively influence my life and millions of others overcomes what he is going through trust. God, 1% better, sober as dope. I thought that was a great message in the whole thing, but where would you guys like to start on the entire Tiger Woods situation?

“Yeah, I mean, I think it's more like if you want to just kind of rattle off what you're thinking.”

I mean, that video kind of went crazy this weekend. I personally thought it sucked. I hated the video out of you and I hated the video out of Dan Rappaport. I think this whole situation sucks. I mean, making it into like, like an us like being like Ruhaha about Tiger right now is like not the time to be doing that. I mean, it's brutal, man. This is like not good.

I don't take this stuff lightly in terms of like putting other people in danger. And I mean, it's at some point, like Tiger Woods is like doing like unbelievably wrong things. You know what I mean? Like, and at, if it was like for his own, his own demise, like I get that, like things that he wants to do, his own vice is whatever it may be,

Like every day you get behind the wheel, you're going to like, you're going to kill somebody.

“Like what is he actually doing? I can't, I can't defend that just because I like the golfer he is.”

You know what I mean? Yeah, 100%. Like, over he goes ahead. I'm not on that wall. And you know what I mean? Like that's not me. So like for that to be four plays, stance this weekend was brutal, is my, that's kind of my take. Yeah, I mean, for me, I would just say I fall on the side of like you can, you can both like feel bad for Tiger and be like man. He's clearly going through a lot. Like he's done a lot in the golf world.

We've, we've rooted him on for a long time, but then the other side of it is just like, you got to stop and you've got to get some sort of help. I don't want to speculate on the situation surrounding him. I wasn't there. I don't know everything, but I also know, I've been driving a car for the better part of my adult life.

And I've never flipped a car. So like, and you know, his race shows a little bit different than mine.

So there's got to be something going on. And if we're going to talk about walls and what wall we're on, it's like mine is, I want him to get help. I want him to get better. And then the golf stuff, all the success and all that, we can roof that later. But right now, it just seems like there's clearly something going on. And he's got to fix that first.

Yeah, I agree. I agree with all that. My take on the entire thing is Tiger Woods, in my opinion, is in when these situations occur,

“which they've occurred far, far too often, far too often. I think it gets painted pretty quickly.”

Like Tiger Woods is he's either drunk, a DUI, he's doing recreational trip, whatever he's partying. He thinks he's above the law because he's a celebrity. He's a celebrity who's better than the law and better than justice and get away with whatever he wants. Whereas what I think is people that have been Tiger Woods stands for a very long time. I've filed him forever. Tiger Woods is an incredibly troubled person.

I think the situation is an incredibly sad situation. And I think that when something like happened Friday with Tiger Woods, I think that is one of the lowest moments in his entire life. I think it's one of the most humiliating things that a person, especially him, can possibly ever under any circumstances go through. I also feel right away frustration.

I feel frustration towards Tiger Woods for making these decisions and putting people in harm. Every time it happens, I think if Tiger Woods simply had a professional driver. He would have 25 or 30 majors and we wouldn't have to deal with all this stuff.

But I also feel an amazing amount of empathy towards the person.

I feel sure, very, very sad towards Tiger Woods. And when these things happen, I know that the accounts race out to do what TMZ does and to do what the New York Post does. They try to find the most embarrassing pictures of Tiger Woods. They try to find every person that they've ever encountered with Tiger Woods. They try to get quotes about how he's an erratic driver.

How he drives like a bat out of hell. They try to get quotes that his girlfriend is mad at them. They try to get quotes that every person that's ever been employed with them, refuses to drive with them because over and over again, they try to embarrass and humiliate the man who's going through something that,

that, in my opinion, is not someone who just thinks they're above the law. They're a billionaire, all that.

It's a result of drug addiction, of some sort of addiction and problem that stems from injuries that he suffered,

sacrificing a lot to become one of the greatest golfers of all time.

“So in those moments and when that occurs, I think a lot,”

especially from the foreplay account in the main accounts, I know that we're all tweeting our own stuff about how are you flipping cars and all that for personal accounts. Fine. My thinking very clearly of the time was TMZ is going to do their thing. New York Post is going to do their thing.

Do we need to be a part of that ecosystem? Do they also need to see foreplay? There's DUI suspicion at the time. And my opinion right when it happens as well, it's broken information. It's well, he blue triple zeros.

He's being suspected of a DUI. The question comes up right away. Should we post about it? And my answer was no. Let the other accounts post about it.

Let's make, by the way, the same decision that everyone else who does what we do for a living. Also did not post about it. Bob, the sports doesn't post about it. Good, good does not post about it. The Brian Bros. did not post about it.

Horabat does not post about it. So in my opinion, it was, hey, let's just sit this one out. I didn't think if we simply just did that that it would be a very big deal at all. I didn't think it would cross anybody's radar. That also does not mean in my opinion that we're saying we're going to endorse and support

drinking under the influence. We're going to hopefully, if we don't post about it, tiger woods will not be grabbed by the arms of justice. That's not going to happen at all. We don't have that power. And if we did, I wouldn't want that to happen.

He absolutely should be punished for drinking under the influence, putting other people's lives and danger.

But he also, in my opinion, in terms of trying to get better, deserves empathy,

deserves supporting needs people around him. He needs all of that. I thought in that moment, let's let the other folks that break news. We're not news breakers. We're not journalists.

We, in my opinion, don't have this journalistic obligation to cover if someone that's done a lot of great things for us is going through a horrible time in their life. My opinion was, let's just sit this one out. Now, when that got back to Dave Portnoi, who again, if I didn't think that would happen, none of the afterwards stuff would have occurred. It gets texted today that I said not to do that.

Dave Portnoi and I have a very funny long history that if you don't understand the context,

then obviously I get how all of it looks.

Dave is so against Tiger Woods that he came to the office of 2019, just to celebrate Tiger Woods not winning the Masters and when he did, he faked a phone call to leave. Dave loves with bad things happen to Tiger Woods. He always has. He roots for him to fail.

He hates that we love him so much.

“So the video is bad as it came off and I get it into context of responding to Dave is where I think if you're in the bar stool world,”

you get a little bit that it's us versus Dave that Dave's in my opinion getting a little bit of a kick out of like, here's this guy you guys look up to. Gary is failing again. Here's you guys trying to protect him and the response if you stay in the bar stool world is like, we've been on this wall for a long time.

We defend this wall our guys going through a tough time. All of that none of that nuance comes out in it once it gets outside of that sphere. I completely get it looks ridiculous in all of that.

But I still stand by the fact that I feel an amazing amount of empathy for the man when he goes through this.

I think that's a guy that has a serious addiction issue that is led to all of these moments. Each crash that you look at it's not a guy leaving a bar drum and party. I just saw a bar stool pat put out in his blog. He said apologies to Rick's of the golf boys. Somebody has to say it. Tiger Woods has to be the dumbest mother fucker on the planet. Guys worth a billion dollars and still drives around drunk like a coked up frat boy.

“I just think that with the way the coverage goes, it gets misconstrued that's that's what he's doing.”

That that's where he's coming from when in reality. I think it's coming from a much darker place that deserves a bit of empathy. And so I just thought that if you're a part of team tiger if you're Robby Mac or someone similar to him or your Charlie Woods and you're scrolling through all of social. You're going to see the New York Post doing their thing. You're going to see ABC news doing their thing.

You're going to see TMZ doing their thing. You don't also need to see for play doing it was sort of my take on the whole thing. Yeah, and what I would say we're going to get to Kevin Kisser because I am actually very interested in what he has said. I know he's he's sort of sitting through for play business right now. But I guess for for us and like on our side of it where it happens.

You say we're not going to post it like normally when those things happen. I think we talk about it way more about like the strategic nature of what we're going to do as a group. And that was honestly it was so final and you had such a strong opinion that I thought you had information that other people didn't have. Like I thought you were saying like no don't post about it because something else is going to come out later. That proves this to be wrong. It was just so like my thing was that the information was incomplete.

“That's why I was like what's not posted about it right now.”

And let's also not like if it felt like he's blown triple zeros. They're saying he's suspicions of DUI. They're saying that's like we don't need to race to get those likes right now. And it might even be a case where we shouldn't just post about it all. So no, let's not post about it.

And I think just in terms of the video, I think what you just said in the last four or five minutes. That would have made a great video because it provides context to what you were trying to say. As opposed to just this guy just got a potential DUI flipped another car and then you're just like this is our guy. We love it. He's to everything he does is great. That was the part where I was like, oh no, you could just see that coming from a mile away.

But I understand what you're saying because you've now articulated it in a way that's like, All right, I can really see that side of it. But with the video, there was no context. And I really do think that if we were all together in that moment and discussing what, what, like, how do we want to approach this? I think it would have gone a little bit different.

Yeah, I agree. I 100% agree. And again, I think that the context of like Dave getting that and then being like bang. I got these guys is a little bit more of like a historical us versus Dave when it comes to Tiger Woods type response of like, Okay, shit. Now we got to go to that. I really do think that if it's if it's not texted and then screenshot it today, which I should have seen that foresight even though it's like our social decision. Like I said, We run those channels. There are channels to run.

However, we like to run and like I said, everybody who does what we do for a living also did not post about it. I think that that would not have turned into anything. It just in my vision for it was just nope. We don't have to post about the DUI part of it.

let those who purely run their accounts on golf aggregation, let them post about it. We're going to sit this one out. I don't think it would have been a whole thing. So that's sort of my take on the time. We're not journalists, but we can't be disingenuous and like an only take in the good and not the bad. Like we've talked about Tiger Woods every single day.

And to be like, no, I bobbed our sports isn't doing it. They don't really give their takes on professional golf. They don't have the history with the Tiger Woods. The Tiger Woods ups and downs as we do.

“I think that's a little bit crazy to say that we didn't have a place in the world to give our take on Tiger Woods letting us down.”

Giving Dave Portnoy and the haters absolutely, they have the leg up on us there. Like there is no battle. We all just kind of have to take it for what it is. There's no like winning this on our side, right?

And like that should have been seen as clear as day from the first second,

where it's like, how much more are we supposed to defend in this point? I mean, you talk a lot about empathy and all these things that we're supposed to have for Tiger Woods and like, it's all great and I do agree with that to some sense. And I think the only reason we're able to sit here and have those type of conversations about like the mean articles being written in TMZ and all these places is because he simply There wasn't someone running on the other side of the road or there wasn't another car coming that way.

Like if that just happens to happen, we're not having any of those conversations. The same decisions that he ended up making in that car. If something else happens on the other side of that road, we're still we're not talking about any empathy. We're like, that's just a bad guy making bad decisions regardless of how you got there. So like he is lucky by the grace of God that he has not killed anyone at this point. But these decisions are reckless and they are out of control.

And regardless of how you get to that point, you can have empathy for people that make bad decisions in their life. We all make bad decisions.

And I've also had like bad takes that you guys haven't agreed with or anything.

So I'm not like putting anything onto you rigs like personally or like as a friend or anything. It's just as a brand and the way that we all operate. Like we have to be able to see that that is a bad time situation. And our guy that we are super, super fans of and friendly with at this point, especially Kevin Kissner, which we're going to get to him because we have to hear his take.

But like at some point like you just like lay down the sword man. You know, I mean like at some point you lay down the sword. I'm not going to battle for that guy. So yeah, that's just kind of where I lie on all of that. And I do think like the empathy part of it.

You kind of lose me on that because it's like, I don't know how much more bad. I'm supposed to feel for a guy that keeps putting himself in these situations. Time and time again. I completely get that. And I'm very much with you on reiterating that what he has done is insanely dangerous.

It's insanely reckless. He's been wildly lucky that things haven't gone worse. He's not only just for him, but like you said anybody else. A bystander is any other drivers. He's been insanely lucky on that.

“And I think that he's going to, you know, the law enforcement should handle that.”

I think that hopefully him getting help. Hopefully part of the sadness that comes from the whole thing drives him to get help. And avoid those things. So yeah, I very much agree that it's it's inferior. It makes me want to, you know, grab the guy by the neck and be like, what the hell is wrong with you.

Stop doing this. I completely agree with that. I guess I just, I, I, I, I do fight the stereotype that it's, it's the guy that just thinks he's above it. Or whatever it might be. I just think it's, it's deeply rooted.

The whole thing isn't insanely sad. It doesn't justify him doing dangerous things. You're absolutely right about that. And, and yeah, does he think he's above it? I mean, how many times he can do this?

Does he think he's above it? How do you, like, yeah, as tight as tight person that's where he's right now. The, the plant, they're flagging that side.

“But like, I think he might think he's above the, I mean, at some point.”

It's like he just, he doesn't know what the negatives are of, of taking pain medication and driving under the influence. It's like he doesn't think he might be an addict. And that's just like, addicts don't have, you know, I think that's a different. That's a different level of it's, you're not thinking rational. You're not making good choices that aren't, they're not justifiable when you make horrible choices.

But I don't think he's sitting there rationally.

It, just my take will never know.

Like Trent just said, but I don't think he's sitting there rationally thinking like, I'm, I'm, I'm the man I could just take whatever I want and get away with it. I just think it's deeper rooted in that where he's, he's had severe issues with these types of things. Historically doing it exactly what it is he didn't take the urine test. But that lead to really, really bad in sad situations is, is sort of the way that I view it.

And I hope he doesn't think that he's just above it. I could be wrong about that. But that's just not the way that it comes off to me is what I guess I would say. Kevin, kids are welcome to the 4 play pod, man. We're happy to have you.

Hey, I'm not having to answer any questions, 17 minutes in. Yeah, I'll just keep going. I'm, I'm interested by all these takes. I haven't had any tiger talk all week in, let me. I mean, I just thought, NBC has called me seven a.m. Saturday. All right. We're going to address this off the top.

I thought you did a great job. No, it's not an easy situation. You're terrible. Your teammates with them at Jupiter links. You've been playing golf with them forever. You know, I, I thought you did a great job on, on coverage when Dan Hicks did throw it to your kids.

But, um, yeah, man, I, you know, welcome to the show. I feel bad that it's 18 minutes in now. We haven't really heard from you, but welcome to the show. It's all good. Um, what's interesting about all this is I kind of could read between the lines

that there was some angst amongst the three of you on rigs. Video just from the lack of text messages all weekend. And obviously I was working. I had a bunch going on. I was actually traveling on Friday when all this broke. And I, like, landed to all these text messages, what was going on.

Really wasn't keeping up. Um, and so I, my first take on rigs as video was when I, the first thing I saw before talking

when he always days to or tweet or put whatever you call it now.

Yeah. And so when I saw rigs as video in my brain, I went to, oh, that was in direct response to Dave. Totally without talking any y'all is like, this is like the bar stool thing talking shit. Back and forth.

And then as I kind of went on through the day and had my NBC hat on. I was like, that was probably the dumbest video I've ever seen rigs put up. Like literally, this is a terrible situation. Now the, you know, more details came out. So I don't know all the timing of it.

Um, and I didn't really, you know, first all I saw was he wrecked his car. The next thing I know he's going to jail for DUI. And I'm like, holy shit. Where is this whole thing going? Um,

So the, I think the whole line of like, look dude, I've spent hundreds of hours with Tiger Woods.

I've never seen him take a pill in my life.

And God never once. Now as he always acted sober and great. No, but I've never seen him actively like be a drug addict walking around, taking drugs, telling me about taking drugs, telling me anything. So I can't talk to any of that.

I don't know what he does, what he takes.

“What he, you know, what his life is like when it comes to pain management or”

if he's an addict or whatever, I can't. He's always been great to me. Um, obviously makes terrible decisions. Nobody can get behind the wheel if they're. Um, having issues going on or if they've under the influence of any,

like, I, I'm not for any of that, right? We're all for that, right? We all agree on that. Yeah. You know, if he was in dangering people's lives, kids,

you know, what if he's driving his own kids and that man is just terrible. Now we all make mistakes. He's made plenty. But he's got to understand the limelight. He's got to understand the person he is.

He's transcending to go off. He's got to understand the role of that. And if he doesn't like the role, then he doesn't need to be in the public guy or try to be in the public guy. Um, but there's also a part of me that's like, you know,

innocent until proven guilty, whatever happened to that. Everybody's just assuming he's a drug addict and he was on pain pills. And part of me's like, well, I don't know what he was on.

“Obviously, I think you might have been the cops thought he was.”

I love all the cops in the world. They made a judgment call that he was under the influence. He didn't want to pee in the cup. But man, we all just started assuming he's an opioid addict. And it's because of pain management.

And I've spent more time with him when anybody on this thing or anybody on Twitter.

And I've never seen take a pill.

So it's just a lot of questions in my book. Uh, I think, you know, coming to the media side. This is like the weirdest part to me. Like when I started getting, you know, you're going to address this off the top. We need to know what you're going to talk about.

How in depth do you want to take it? You know, obviously, you can't speculate anything on national TV. Um, you know, that's when it kind of hit me like all this transcendent for me. Like, man, I got a really form an opinion and kind of pick aside. And I'm just not really sure I want to do that because I don't know.

I just don't know, right? I know he made a terrible decision. She's not have been driving.

“If a cop thinks you're impaired, you're probably impaired, right?”

Um, and I wouldn't want him driving my kids around if he's impaired. But also, like, I don't have any evidence that he's all these things that everybody assumes he is. And I've spent a lot of time with him. So, uh, hey, man, I had a brother that was an addict. His terrible, terrible thing.

Um, if he is an addict, he needs to get help and helps not easy and getting out of us. Not easy and staying out of us, not easy. But until he tells me that he's an addict or somebody in his group tells me is that he's an addict. And, you know, there's a lot of evidence that he probably does use.

But I've never seen it. Um, if he is, I want him to get the most help ever and I'll help him anyway. I can.

Uh, but obviously the first thing is he's got to make better choices.

Like, bar none. If this is the life he's going to live. And he's going to be in the limelight forever. That's just part of it, man. It's part of being tiger woods. You can't make decisions like that.

Any more stop period over. Yeah. I think that's well done. I mean, I agree.

To to rigs this point before, where like everyone starts to reach out to sources and they start to get quotes and stuff like you saw one today that.

There's a source that says tiger woods refuses a driver because he doesn't want anyone looking over. I'm making decisions for him watching him where he goes. He wants that privacy in his life to be able to go into a car and go every once. I guess the human and us can all see that like wanting to do that.

“But to your point that I think you laid out pretty perfectly is if you're going to be tiger woods, that is a blessing and a curse.”

The blessing is you're going to have all the things available to you for the rest of your life and your family generations generation generation generation well. You're going to be one of the greatest, the greatest golfer in our eyes or one of the greatest athletes of all time. You're going to have all these things available to you. You're going to be able to open up golf courses in Augusta and all these things. And you're also going to be shepherding the PGA tour into a new world where you're going to be bringing in all these new rules and all these new leagues and all this stuff.

You are the guy. So that's all the positives, the negatives is that maybe you have to have a driver. Maybe that driver is going to have to watch where you go at night or you're going to watch what kind of movies you watch. If you don't want a guy looking over a shoulder, it's like, well, then don't be tiger woods. You don't get all that stuff without this. Also, you drove off a cliff. Also, you drove under the influence and you know, I guess we're saying what's the word I'm looking for. And 17 he did, right?

Well, you did 17 he tested positive for. Right. So I was going to do the air quotes on it. It's like he's done it before. Allegedly was where I was looking for allegedly in this scenario. He was under it again. Like these are all scenarios where it's like, you don't get everything now. You don't get to do everything.

“And I think that goes back to, and that's if this is true with like, this is just a quote to you and see whatever, but you have to think that his thinking aligns with this, right?”

Just as a as a fan as a friend as as people that have been in a circle, like, how could he not think that like at some point you got to figure this out with the driver? And it might be that he just simply doesn't want to have one and that goes back to that thinking of like maybe he does think he's this guy that like doesn't need all this stuff. You can just do whatever the hell he wants and at the end of the day, whatever happens happens. That's a sad existence where it's like, I don't care. Like if that's if that is the existence and I know I'm like jumping to conclusions and stuff.

That's something that like I just can't stand behind. So it's a tough situation for everyone kids. I definitely don't. I don't envy the position that you're put in. I mean, you're a national television. The day it happens essentially and they're like, what are your thoughts on your friend Tiger Woods? It's like, oh, folks. Well, one thing I learned Frankie is it doesn't matter if I said, you know, it's blue sky today. Somebody's going to tell me how stupid I am and that is. It's the most fascinating part about this world. Like I tried to ride party line. There's no, you know, so fresh. Nobody knows any of the details.

Obviously, I can dim any of the activity. And man, I still just kid killed for everything. It's like, I mean, most of the normal people, you know, said I did fine and did a good job.

But it's amazing what people are right about you on behind these keyboards. Like, I just want to fight everybody.

We live in such, I saw you coming. One guy was great. You're like, I wish I could say I want to fight them. Just like we live in a town where like this stuff is the worst to be a part of. Like what we're currently doing right now where we have to go out here and give our take. But it's also the reason we are in the position that we are. Like we wouldn't have these jobs without people actually caring about what we have to say in the game of golf and watch us play the game of golf. We're very lucky to be in these positions. So like when situations like this come up,

people want to hear our take on it for better or worse. And that is the hardest part of our job because we have to give our opinion. And whatever our personal opinion on the matter is, is either going to be liked or hated by the masses.

“And like, I think the greatest thing that we do is that we just say what we're feeling. And like, you know, we could all disagree on this situation right here.”

I think we all agree on like the main points. There's obviously some parts that we're going to not like settle on. But like I do think that that's that's the nature of what we do for a living and there is good. There's good to it. And there's there's some bad situations and just how you handle them. And I hate the people that like just say the things just to say I'm like, and we've been dealing with that on social media for the last couple years, especially like political stuff. It's like you just say whatever is going to get you the most likes and like that's that's where you start to lose people's, you know, opinions on things and like actually being a human being.

But hopefully we could all just like come to the agreement Tiger Woods not good. We hope that he can figure this out. But yeah, I think just not good coming from our account would be the best kind of wording.

You weren't easy on him. You weren't like overly, you know, it was you were very much. I just sort of, oh yeah, damn it's a damn solid tape from kids of people who's their minds over anything, but what Frankie's right, it's it sucks. I mean, when these things happen, it just sucks, it's it's insanely sad, it's infuriating and part of the job is, you know, but I know we know everybody here knows that twice a week for an hour and a half.

“We're going to give our takes on whatever's going on in the world of golf and unfortunately there's been far too many of these. So I hope from for Tiger Woods.”

He gets better. I hope nothing like this ever happens again and and I hope that he kind of can can come back from this stronger and better than ever.

So speak at a comment back. I think everybody's good with it move on to just an incredible story that is, you know, you being you and having that seat within BC had as much of a front row seat as anybody to Gary Woodland with one of the most emotional stories in the world of golf in the in the history of golf, really he had brain surgery in September of 2023. He had not won since the US Open at Pebble Beach in 2019 just two weeks ago. He did an interview with golf channel with Rex Hoggard where he really was as vulnerable as you could be. He put himself out there.

He talked about how, you know, he really just was pretty miserable. He was fighting a lot of the side effects and unfortunate kind of results from his condition, his surgery with his brain surgery.

“And, and then comes out to the Houston Open with what he said was I think he said it was like the best all round tournament he's ever played in his career crowd was chanting his name.”

One of my favorite quotes from GW throughout the whole week was saying we play an individual sport out here, but I wasn't alone today as he was fighting back tears and ultimately kind of getting emotional multiple times, but

kids how just special was that being a part of that incredible triumph from Gary Woodland?

Obviously it was a sweet day. GD was one of my dear friends, one of my best buddies on tour to, you know, be on the inside and knowing all the shit he's been through and how tough it's actually been and he's only probably let the world into just a small percentage of that and and to be able to watch him, you know, thrive in that in that moment coming down the stretch and blowing the lead up and, you know, having that back nine where he can just in, you know, I know he wasn't enjoying it because he wanted to get it done, but, you know, not super stressful on him, one of the interesting things of the podcast is like when we're, we have a tournament that is close, we go shot to shot to shot to shot to shot and you don't have a whole lot of story time, right?

Well, in the back nine yesterday, man, they let Dan and I just basically tell stories the whole time about Gary Woodland, which was cool to sell for me because I never get to do that, you know, I sent a picture in of him catching his first fish, got to tell that story. He helped me my whole career and now helps G-Dove and he flew out there to watch and just all that cool stuff and they have Gabby out there, get to hang out with G-Dove on Saturday and Sunday on the range, you know, before he tees off and it's just such a cool part to see how much work he's put in and how bad he still wants it, like I'm 42, he's 41 and I don't want it nearly as bad as he does.

“And I think it's just fascinating how much he has been through and how much he still wants it and how much he's willing to work for it.”

I just admire the shit out of him, one of my favorite moments was I ran down the booth right when we got off the air got my car drove back to the clubhouse ran up through the crowd and I was trying to catch him, I didn't know where he was. And he was still in scoring with just butchy and I just gave him a big bear hug and he goes, bro, thank you so much for calming me down in the range, just more than I was about to die out there and I was like, I didn't, I didn't do anything, I just hung out with you and shot the shit like what we always do.

He was like, yeah, I know, but I was freaking out man. And so like those moments, I'll remember forever, like I never thousand me and TV, I never thought I would be in a moment where I'd go running to see one of my boys in less I was playing in the tournament, so I hung out with him for probably an hour, hour 15 minutes after the, after the round and so much fun, I know he appreciated and I appreciate it, his all team let me come hang out with him. What an awesome story man, just no one deserves it more than him, I mean, just shows you how crazy the brain stuff is like just the best life professional athlete can win any term he plays in and then all of a sudden like what's happening behind the eyes is like a complete nightmare and like there's no other explanation for other than like that's just what's happening.

Just you really, we all need to just like bow down to the heavens and thank the Lord that we don't have brain issues because like what gee what, what Gary Woodland goes through, I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy, right, like you would think like this guy has it all and all of a sudden he's going through all this stuff, it just goes to show you like no matter what life you're in, you don't need to be in a bad situation, you know, it's just like that stuff's going to get you man and for him to overpower all of that is is a power that I can't even imagine.

“I can't even, no pun intended, wrap my brain around, I can't even figure out how you're able to just like fight through that when your brain's telling you all these other things and to play at the highest level and beat the best players in the world.”

That type of golf under those circumstances is one of the more impressive things we'll ever see on the tour, it's unbelievable, it all sports, it's unbelievable, people aren't giving it enough credit even though he's getting a lot of credit, they're not getting it enough. And like kids alluded to, we who don't know who aren't as close to Gary Woodland, we probably know 2% of what's going on, like we, our life is we read it in headlines like Gary Woodland has a brain tumor, Gary Woodland gets brain surgery, Gary Woodland has PTSD and rightfully so those things take your breath away and you're like man, I really feel for that guy for what he's going through, but you don't know any of it.

The behind the scenes stuff that that guy is head to go through, I'm sure and there's people that know like that to then overcome that and even swing a golf club one more time to even get out there and play golf one more time to then win again on the PJ tour like it really is I'm with Frankie I think he's not getting enough credit like this is one of the greatest stories in the history of sports. Dude for a headline to make its way onto the internet for it to say this guy has PTSD so many things have to happen in your own house and your own life for it to make its way onto the internet for everyone to start talking about you know I mean like that's how much that's how dark it got where it like became his storyline of like I can't get through the day and he's doing interviews trying to bring people in because he's like probably feeling this this sense of like I don't know where this is going I need to let everyone know because like.

The working part of my brain right now is letting people know that this is not going well and and we're all rooting for him but like there's nothing you can do it's all it's it's scary man like going through all that stuff I can't even imagine what his family's been going through what he's been going through and you just got to hope that this is something that like.

“Just gets them just keeps them going keep some fighting keeps them just like moving forward because like he can do it he's proving to himself he can win he can battle over this thing and he can get it done.”

We saw a lot of the broadcasts where they showed the Napa where you know Napa was probably his worst worst tournament for this whole thing kind of came out in public for the first time like we all knew he's struggling with it you still trying to play any thought that playing through it was going to be the best way forward and we all were supposed to go to Napa I didn't get to go because I trip plan but. for the router cup and it was so much fun everybody stayed in the same house and they were texting all week but g-tubes like man I don't know how I'm going to get through this one and they showed I didn't see the videos until we did it on the air this week of him like.

They haven't on camera if him like literally breaking down standing on the side of a green and you know ball and cry and trying to put his sunglasses on you know I I think it's one of the most like you're saying I don't think he's getting enough credit for what he's been through and to come back like come back and win on the tour six eight months later it's incredible. And it does a lot of people good like he did the quotes are coming out now where he's like you know if you're going through something keep fighting and some people see that it's like you see that on a picture and a CEO's office or something but that actually.

has real effects for people who are going through something and for the largely everybody's going through something but what he's been through is really something and like for him to come through it and be successful again in a way that he's like wow I really wanted to do this that does a lot for people like it's it's really.

“Gosh I was watching yesterday and I was just like this is amazing this is an amazing thing that's happening right now on television.”

By the way the mental side of golf is like the most important part especially when you get to that level everyone has the same swings and and and swing speeds and ball spin and all that stuff the difference of winning is that mental edge that's why guys are getting higher all these. golf psychologist and psychiatric all these guys are getting higher to like give you that edge over your opponent on the mental side and this guy's mental side has been a legitimate nightmare for years and for him to be able to do that amazing absolutely amazing.

Yeah it's it's not over I mean he told a incredible story about Friday where you know some some folks got too close inside the ropes near the ropes. He said he got a scoring I bold my eyes out I reset was able to come back and take care of stuff after coming out.

And you know I was worried going into Sunday where I had to get the one stroke lead they had quite a gap between third place but like you said Frankie I mean the mental part of game for people who haven't had brain surgery is already impossible I think that's like a big part of our brand on YouTube videos is how we just melt down mentally all the time it can't handle it.

“For him to be out there going through all this and get it done insanely insanely inspiring and you mentioned Kism he's not a spring chicken coming back from this either is 41 years old been through so much had one in seven years.”

So to go out there and do it is swing looks great his action is so so smooth aesthetically pleasing that two irony hit that was on maybe Saturday on that part five in the middle of the green was just one of the sickest swings I've ever seen man. But that little point skip step to it with that little point guys of photography would obviously does it but like sometimes he'll do that with his little approach shots guy wouldn't feel like it's so smooth it's just like that abbreviated ball through things so sick.

I told tell Tommy all the time to show me that one Frankie might do that one where you stop real quick. Oh, I love that one. Well we with Tommy Fleet would we we did a little video with him at Taylor made media day where he was hitting them and then he was hitting my seven iron lefty.

He's like the one I because the one I really struggle with is the Tommy Fleet would finish lefty. He like he knows about it. He was trying to do it and he was like shanking him left.

But Patrick harringed it told me I need to think about my finish to be like Tommy Fleet with and his whole thinking was that like when you think it's because it like almost forces him to come. Through impact at like the fastest point, which is something that like kids has said to me before to where you were like you need I think you've said that to me and break you like you need to think that your club needs to be going the fastest is it's ever going to be going right when it hits the golf and that I guess like that Tommy Fleet would finish like helps you do that because you like get it to hear.

Yeah it's breaking to the handle it's I could go down this whole rabbit hole for y'all but I mean in physics the club can only go it's fastest point one time right. Okay in a swing it's just physics I'm sorry about it though. So yeah I'd probably prefer it to be when it hits the ball to be going the fastest make sense but if it's going to be going the fastest at the bottom then it's got to slow down a lot really quickly for the decelerate for it to be the fastest at the ball.

“Because if it's the fastest after the ball, you can't ever slow it down that's why you all turn around your head.”

That's the thing that so shocked with Gary is like when he makes contact it feels like the swing kind of stops and it's just like flow it's a flow steak. Yeah that's right that's what it should feel like.

Be like cracking a towel right and you crack it in the bottom it will never have anything left in it to go after it.

That's for most amateurs where is our club going the fastest usually after the ball after. Yeah I'll get you up. I'll get you up. I'll get you up. You can show in the forest and make it go like a man the best players in the world can take it all at top and find

They hit the ball and stop. Jake Naffing right. There's some there's some witchcraft with Jake Naff. I don't know what that is like I watch it and I'm like no they're lying about his club has speed.

“I know you're being I know you're being facetious but I think that's true they are.”

I'll tell you one thing is gdub is leading the tour in club head speed and ball speed this year.

And he get one 96 on the third T yesterday ball speed that's 31 miles an hour faster than me.

If I hit a normal drive and it's three yards a mile an hour we do this all the time on here but I have to explain that to people. So he said 99 yards by me. Well that means he hits at a hundred and fifty by you Trent and you. Hundred and twenty five by you rigs and Frankie who knows where you're playing. I was taken hacks in the simulator at the Chicago office and I was moving it at like one eighteen one twenty.

You know cruise and baby ball speed is gdub's able to be like a is like have you joked around with them been like hey during that brain surgery today like tweak tweak something to give you some more like speed or a oh and we joke around with them. We're like oh it's all that metal in your head now. Oh swing you hear these doors sometimes someone will get brain surgery to come out speaking like Chinese. Oh hey fuck around with it.

It's like maybe there's gave him more swings speed. Oh man. Yeah he's got that loud man. This is funny right here.

I was like what is New York New York call me New York Post.

Yeah right New York Post. Yeah right come on man. Uh yeah right New York Post. You're going to listen listen to the podcast New York Post. Tuning on Tuesday for the old pot.

It is so funny we aren't meet the three of us argued for eighteen minutes then kids had the best take by far. I don't know. I was kind of rambling.

I didn't really to be honest man.

I didn't you know we didn't really talk about it. I kind of slid into the house right downstairs without seeing my kids right on the computer and then. And I pop on and I could kind of sense this is where you are going. And then you'll start talking and I was like boy I got to really get my opinion going. You had to know that there was some animosity in there because I don't think I've ever not answered a Kevin Kissner text.

Right well I just like man what's going on and nobody is cricket. No just whatever we get there. Why not? I started working and I didn't think about it again and then yesterday I was like oh yeah I got the podcast and I'll be home at noon and y'all. That time is Trent and I got tagged being like what the fuck is this I'm like I just I couldn't even enjoy the islander game.

Like the island is one the biggest game of the year and I'm going to do it. I ran like saying we love drinking and driving. I had I had the most straightforward like because the next day I just I wanted to tweet something just because I was like I this is my opinion. It was so straightforward it was like I hope he gets help and I don't want him to hurt innocent lives going forward. And I got parade around the industry it's like I was the greatest man in America.

So it's like the whole you only got positive. Because there is strange weekend for the brand for sure. What's like who would be on the other side of that?

“You know what I mean like fuck you like you should want him do whatever he wants.”

I don't know anybody on that side. Right. Um my initial reaction when I saw your video rigs and you had those aviator glasses on and I was like well he's just out there drinking beer and he's playing golf or something and he's trying to get back it. Fortunately now I kind of set my phone down and then all the shit started going on and I was like. Damn what the fuck is rigs doing now watch it again and then you didn't say anything.

Then you know I was texting and I was like I don't know if this is going good. I'm just going to leave that one alone for the weekend.

Well no like you're like you said the first time where you were like yeah when I saw that thought it was a response today.

Yeah that's what I thought immediately. That's like that's what it was. I mean the first part of it was like oh Dave you think like I didn't say Dave but it was like oh you think that's what it was supposed to be. Obviously once it gets outside of that it's like nobody knows any of that nobody knows that Dave has the history nobody knows that Dave was like uncovering that we weren't going to just post about the DUI. Nobody knows that Dave like posted the tweet it just gets outside of that. I do think like your original being like oh it's like a cut of the background for sure but obviously after that it's like you got to know that it's going to get outside of there.

And that was that was unfortunate.

“Yeah I think it was been years ago it would have been a way different but the cloud that y'all formed in the business changed that.”

Maybe but that that your original take was how I intended it when it came off. It's also like it was a hundred and seven degrees in Palm Springs this time here so if you would have been drinking the alcohol we would have died out there. It was like you just had to drink as much water as possible that place is insanely hot right now but. But yeah it was it was a it was a it was a bizarre and very shitty weekend I think for sure. Unfortunately you when you came back on here I think you saw the first twenty minutes of that but that's also to Frankie's kind of final point was like it's also kind of the beauty of it is like we're going to hash it out not everybody's going to agree.

I think we can all agree on the main points I hope I'm I am very. Like regret full of it comes off like you're promoting DUI's I think that's like a horrible thing so I absolutely reiterate that I think the main points we all do a hundred percent. agree on and the nuances we could we could debate forever and we have for nine years on the show we're still together and I think that's kind of the beauty. I've said wait wait a lot of things that no one's agree with no one's agreed with so sometimes you just miss.

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I will say I was on Iowa over over the weekend which I know they didn't get it done the second game but even I'm still profitable through it but what a run I feel like for the Hawkeyes.

Yeah very unexpected run um shot to coach McCollum he made first year taking him to the lead eight is I mean nobody really saw that coming so.

“Yeah as much as I was bummed about them losing that game I was just like I'm very happy and excited for the future I think that's how the fan base feels.”

But yeah I mean I was just you know they beat Florida and that was the one where I was like oh wow we might actually have some sort of running us and then they want a couple more games and it would have been awesome if they admitted to the.

But the weekend in Chicago the Chicago office if I was there full time I would weigh eight hundred.

And I was like the ice cream the popcorn there's food coming in all the time I like I really would be I think I think I would have a real problem if I were there all the time it's ice cream is ice cream is so good I just kept eating it cone after cone after cone and I was in heaven especially when I was winning I was like I'm I got the best life in the world right now. So I'm just going to do this massage chair meet nice cream and I was one of basketball games who's got it better than me and then they lost and then I continue ice cream and I like I was going to throw it.

But I texted you I was I dropped my phone when I saw that Trent Ryan had dropped a three bagger three thousand dollar bet on I mean you're big.

“I had to have been what 500 bucks before that maybe if we would like throw a big one on a golfer member I think I like I bet 500 on the thunder to win the title last year that was my biggest so to rip a three you know three.”

Okay on on the Iowa Hawkeyes was stunning so I had to run I texted all my buddies I'm like Trent thinks they're going to win this game look at this bet we all went crazy. They won right we're all rich we're going crazy everyone's going nuts you're making my buddy Steve money everyone's making money and then we rode you again on the second one because you doubled down you went three thousand again. Oh, yeah, I mean I I want to say I knew but I felt very strongly that they were going to beat Nebraska. Yeah, it's it's a damn Marcus weekend that was unbelievable and I just I hate I hate Nebraska it's like I got I really like

Revved myself up I got myself on a lather and I was like I'm gonna put three grand on I would have win this game and then they wanted and then I put the winnings in the next one that was a loser but yeah I was I got riled up I was I had I texted you I had sweaty hands putting that one over but it felt good. I felt good when it hit and then yeah, I found out you had points where it's like no nothing's gonna get you that juice until you get to that number again now like was that a juice that you you're going to be yearning for we'll see.

“Yeah, that's that's a new man. This is a new man. It was really fun.”

I am I as well joined you on both of those this weekend and then I also took a couple weeks ago I took Arizona to win the old thing and they look there you come on.

Yeah, but you think about that basketball game last night you caught I mean you want to talk about a finish. Yeah, I see I was out there with G-dove whenever hanging out with him and then I got in the car to go back to the hotel and turn it on right at the end but I just assumed Duke was going to win the whole time. Obviously I quit following it after half time like on my phone play by play and then takes messages coming in like they're coming back and I got in just in time to watch him turn it over.

And then he makes that three and my favorite was after math, but the Duke play by play got going oh my god he made it oh so and so it's on the court he should get a technical for that I was like dude.

You don't know their horse to ride for right now. It's just made a 35 footer to win it to go to the fifth five. Did you see him head but the ref though.

“Oh no no he had fun. It was not he's a sickle. Can you pull that?”

He looked so much like Kirk right there did you see what they did that during one of his basketball games on like God that made me miss Kirk so bad. Just like watching that look at this guy watch this is right after they did well look at this guy. Look at his jacket dude watch this watch this. That guy dude it was my favorite one. Yeah, he looked like he almost died dude he really did there's a moment where he kind of loses his center and he's like whoa I can't believe that that just happened. It's it was a hell of a shot man. Well, yeah, shire his face was just like he looked like he he had to get reset like he was like a robot that was like glitching out.

Dude watch have you watched for property on the left here start this over. You almost lost him I know. Watch this. Let's go to the point 3. It's unprecedented. It's absolutely unprecedented but that happened. Did it tie him out? Yeah, did it all time out? To not be able to have the compositor just be like all right we're hitting trapped time out and let's reset and call it with another play is insanity.

I mean it's one of the greatest or just hold it out.

Did you see the mom in the in the crazier. Yeah. Yeah.

“Yeah. Oh my god. She goes. What the. She goes. Holy fucking shit.”

Oh, I need this energy out of you mom. Oh my god. Dude. Did you see raffle you having to use his arms to balance himself trapped. It's like he had ski poles going or something. I mean in for it to be Duke it's the whole thing it's the best. Yeah just a where were you moment. I actually was changing the diaper during it. Well, dude, I just went on the first weekend and I was sick as a dog.

First weekend alone with the baby my wife went away with her sister her cousin and their mother and it was just a battle man. You know shout out to all the moms and the dads that stay home all the time with the kids like that was not easy man days go slow. Like I'm looking at him like what are we going to do next and he doesn't walk that he's not even 11 months old. He's looking at me and pointing at things. I felt like shit. I'm just like you got to be kidding. I'm looking at him like you got to be kidding me man.

You're still not sleeping. Still not seven o'clock yet. How is it 35? How is it 335 in the afternoon? What are we going to do for the next four hours? And you're going to feel like shit for the rest of your life having kids for the rest of your life.

It's a never ending just like sniffle cough fast.

Because I'm giving it to him. He's probably given it right back. It's just like you never reset. You guys are playing hot potato with germs. Dude, there was a long weekend like I was in I was at war. I mean like just war. But yeah, maybe it through.

You can't get anything else done either nothing nothing nothing nothing nothing nothing nothing nothing. I don't I don't even know how my life gets.

“That's why I was fine. Riggs was basically bringing the whole turn and then onto my phone.”

And I didn't have to deal with any of it because I was dealing with a baby. I didn't have a chance to go to my phone every time I look at my phone. I have a thousand notifications about how I'm the worst person in the world. I'm like, I don't know what that's about. But I just got to clean this diaper.

I just got to clean this diaper.

I don't know why the wrath of the internet is on my phone right now.

But I will get to that later. I will get to that later. Yeah. Oh my god. What a weekend fellas. Hello, we can. Um, kids, what do you got for me on this master's tournament coming out?

What do these, I mean, we're a week out. I know you're going to be doing some radio coverage. What are the, you know, if you're in your in your hey day out there playing, what do you get here and up for right now? What are these guys thinking would you usually play the week before would you not?

Where, where would you head be at? I played last week over there. That's all three three two or players. Uh, saw a hovelin, uh, Fleetwood, Rory all over there playing. By themselves that getting ready.

So the buzz is there. Guys are definitely, you know, trending thinking of how to win the masters. Um, I just noticed it's going to be cool early week, which is great. Uh, the greens were firm last week.

“Like more firm than I remember playing in M.I.”

Masters. And I was talking to the guys about it and they're like, If we can keep the humidity down, like we can keep these greens firm and the high, I guess supposed to be cloud or, uh, the high 69 and 68 on Tuesday and Wednesday. Right now.

Next week. Well, they're going to have a chance to make those greens firm and fast. And I encouraged the set up committee head to make them as firm and as fast as he possibly could. So we could all just watch. That's not on the play.

Dude. I'm trying to three, two, three, four years ago. One of these masters. I remember the greens were very firm. And I think it was similar.

It was, we had like really windy couple days too. But I remember leading up. It was like pretty chilly. And they came out on Thursday. And you were just watching balls bounce all over.

Which with how tiny those landing areas are, the little plateau is where they put pens. They made it so fun to watch. And it was so hard out there. I got another hard take for the golf course is I now think the front nines easier than the back.

Wow. Really? I do. The backs brutal man. You guys stop calling with me.

Ten's now a bargain. 11's brutal. Obviously you know 12. But 13. I can't get to hardly any more.

15. You know, I get a pound at the hit. Seven would or four iron into. 17 can play long as hell and 18's absolutely brutal. Now I don't hit it like roaring.

I mean, they're all easy. If you hit it like roaring.

He played great.

“And I'm like, man, I think I can make more birdies on the front.”

He wasn't, you know, he hits it probably eight yards.

Ten yards farther than me. But how did you play around? How did you stack up against harm? I shot even. And he shot two under the first day.

And then we partyed all night. That makes the guy partyed all night. He didn't. He has the masters coming up. But we had like got eight guys with us. Man, we had so much fun.

And we were just, it was awesome. This is one of the greatest places in the world to hang out with your buddies. God. That sounds so cool. That sounds really cool.

That's good round of golf out there. I feel like. Yeah, I feel like even par was. It's a great round of goal. I think it was my first round in 2026.

So one of which was with you in 40 sun cruisers. What did you hit on 12? What was 12 like? Eight iron.

It's almost always an eight iron.

It's like 155 every time. The greens so small. For a bun round like that. Are you doing the middle of the green thing? Or are you just firing at pins?

Not, I've fired every pin. Yeah. I don't care if I shoot 80 anymore. I don't have to impress anyone. Hell yeah.

That's nice. Do you make a bunch of birdies on the front? Is that what you're all hyped up about? No, I just was going back through on the clubs. I hit in on the front nine compared to the back nine.

And I'm like, well, I can definitely make more birdies.

“I think I shot 200 or two over the first day.”

But I doubled 10 the first. Yeah, double 10 the first day. Can you play from the master's tease, obviously, right? Yeah. If I shot even from the members tease,

and I wouldn't be telling any of y'all about that. Definitely retiring from the game for good. You get home on two. Yeah, two is easy to get home to.

Well, I don't always play this win.

Like one was down off the right. So two was down win. Three was off the right. Four was off the right. Five down win.

Which makes that first five so much easier. Way easier. You get in off the left on one and off the left on two. In on off the left on four and in on five. The whole, you know, now I'm saying back nine's easier.

Yeah. Is five the hardest to hold out there. You think? Simple. So I part it about days though.

I have seven wood and four iron in there. Into that green. That's ridiculous. Feel for that. Clearly.

Clearly. You get home on eight. I had driver driver to like the five yard short of the front. About days, I think. I still got it.

And, you know, still got it. But I can't chip and put like I used to because I don't ever practice. I like chipping the nine feet and miss it instead of chipping it before and tapping it in like I used to. It's big difference. Big difference.

It's called a whole shot. We asked Ludwig on the last show.

“He had mentioned or one of his guys that was with us at lunch and mentioned that like they went to a gust of once and there was no menu that they just said like what do you want?”

Is that true? No, there's a menu. Yeah. I thought that would be a lunch and true. But I don't know about during the tournament.

I think there is. Okay. You thought he was lying. You thought they weren't. Well, it's just such a crazy thing, right?

Like I understand the premise of it. It's like it's the most magical and credible place on earth. So if you just said, I want this. They'll just figure out a way to get it. I'm sure they can.

Right. I'm pretty sure whatever whatever makes your heart desire, they will figure out a way to make it for you. I think that was the overall point. Yeah. He said that like this guy said that there was 145 beers on tap or something like that.

What that can't be true either. That is not true. Thank you. Stop asking questions. It ruined and ruined everybody's dream.

I don't know. Maybe he's talking about Master's Week. There could be during that week. Oh, because then it sparked a conversation of being like, I was like, That's more lines of an on tap beer situation than the biggest bar in America.

Correct. This would be like if someone started telling you Disney secrets. Mmm. Don't do that to him. Just sitting on this though, because we had a nice lunch.

Ludwig Oberk. And there was, you know, there was people there that were just kind of throwing out a bunch of, a gust of national facts. And I was taking them in. And I've just been sitting on them for a couple of days.

I'm like, can't be true. I mean, I can't. And I just come in and blow it all up. You're five beers on tap. Not true.

Not true. They can't be true. That would have to be the biggest bar in America. Dude. Well, yeah.

But that would be the most sophisticated line up. And Cakes. But your bar would have to be 30 feet long. Dude, October fest and like Germany wouldn't even be able to pull that off. Maybe they have 145 options of beer in cans or some shit.

So much land, so much underground, so much magic. I don't know what's, you know, who knows what's going on. This is the kind of conversation we're having at lunch. We're like, wow, that bill that must be insane. You're like, oh, how do they clean those lines?

Yeah.

“I saw someone, one of the funny quote tweets of it was like, man.”

Imagine fake stretching in this before you're 9 30 AM tea time. Just like for the regular average guy, like going in there. Just throw a couple on just forward and just, all right. Oh, I guess the time. Just the most nervous I've ever been before on a go.

Nobody fakes it like myself and Trent on a driving range when we're doing it. Because you're probably the most common person I see when I get to a driving range now. We both go right next to each other on the stall.

And like, the fact that we both take the first club out to usually a wedge.

And we just do a little twist of the hips as we're talking. We're like, all right, another day. And then we just swing and we don't do any more of that for the rest of the day. There's no more London, nothing. There's no, one of you to have to even go above our head.

Till you make your first swing. And that's what happens to me. We got a video coming out with Bob Desports. And I think it was in the second one, but I just like my back gave out. All right, and one of our next videos, I'll take you through my whole warm up in the gym before we've got other range.

I would love that. I actually was thinking about me having to do it personal trainer and just like some guy that just beats a shit out of me. Do it. Do it. I just don't know. It's so hard out like you go online.

Dude, I honestly think personal trainers have like the worst marketing of all time. And like personal trainers might be all by my ass down. But like you go online and you type in best personal trainer in the ice-slip area of Long Island. And it's like there's nothing. There's no way of like knowing who the guy is.

You know what I mean? It's not like going to the best restaurant or whatever. It's like there's no way of knowing who's going to. I don't want to go to some places like in the middle of a huge gym. Everyone's looking at me.

Like, I want to just be like, I'm going to come to your house or you're a little set up and you're just going to beat the shit out of me. And then you'll do it three times and quit. No, see, I need like, you got to do something like I'll leave my wallet there. So, you know what I mean? Like, like I'll just keep it there.

“And the only way to get it back is if I keep going, he lends me my thousand dollars each time.”

Right? You throw a 50,000 in his house or something. And the only way to get your money back is if you go there. See, like, this is how my brain works or it's like, I have to go there and get that money. I mean, Frankie Boy's college tuition in this guy's house. And if I don't lift these weights, I'm not getting it back.

Ah, Trent, how did an incredible run with the elliptical gang?

How long ago was that? What's that? How long ago was that? Years. Years, I don't even remember.

It's so long, you know. What was your name? You just go on the elliptical for what? Like 30 minutes a day. It would start out as 30, and then once I got into the end, it was an hour. And I would go on it every single day.

And I lost 50 pounds. Get it? Holy shit. Yeah. But then, look at me now.

And I just talked about my Chicago trip, which was amazing. But I ate a lot. You know, you danced with the devil about getting back in shape this year. And, you know, three months in where we at. I mean, run it back every round of the day.

Yeah. Well, you, are you, are you critiquing my willpower because you're right, all right. If we're, if we're being, yeah, I can't, I just, I can't stick to it, man. Says the guy, Frankie, who can't has to leave $50,000. He's trying his house just to go work out.

100% man. No, I'm more like, dude, with Trent, it's something, anything like that. Like, I just need someone to be able to, like, be like me, like that. Like, I want to be able to, I want him to be able to admit that. Like, we have the same type of willpower.

I need someone else out there. That's just as much of a piece of shit. It's like comforting. You know, like, if you like it, it's like, yeah, we're all like a proper warm-up. And I thought I was going to put my guts in.

Oh, man, I did that. Who did that? Tillery. Oh, he did. He just, like, tried to, I was like, probably have to similar to what I was going to make you do.

No, but you got to do it to Frankie. Listen, I get why you need to do it. When I did that one lesson that tried to teach me to swing better, I, like, I thought my hips were going to fall out of my fucking, like, out of my skin. Because I'm just so immobile.

So, like, yeah, half the, if you're going to swing the correct way, you have the stretch.

“I remember, uh, back in the D-Rap days when he did, when did he do a black burn lesson?”

And the first thing they did was go to the gym for, like, 30 minutes.

And the guys, like, why need to see how your body moves. If I'm going to know how you're going to, like, be able to swing your golf club. Do you have also used to do, like, an hour before he gets to the golf course of, like, back workout. Stretches. Huge stretcher.

I'm going to try to hold this, I'm going to try to hold this microphone. At the very beginning, somebody said something about D-Rap's video. Did he have a hard take or something? Oh, he cried. So it was, like, yep.

Oh, that was his response to Tiger getting arrested. It was, like, it was more, I mean, it was the empathy side, right? So it's, like, you know, rigs was toeing that line again. But, like, it was, it was more, like, he said for him. Which I do get, I mean, there's a part of that that I understand that.

He was like, like, hating on rigs on line or something.

“No, no, no, no, no, no. He, yeah, he was, I mean, I'm a cryer too.”

But yeah, he, it was a tough, it was a tough look. He's like, he, like, he wants to drive, he's in control. It went viral, man. Viral.

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Take a seven iron couple. You see how we put that video out and almost called it.

But Shay Lauer made a hole in one of the second hole.

It's his fourth hole in one on the PGA tour and the other. Which is most notable. The others have come at number seven at Pebble Beach. Number 17 at TBC saw grass in the 12 hole at Augusta Nash. And I guess that on the air he ruined his iconic lineup of hole in ones with the ace on number two at Memorial Park.

Right. To get out there for 38 bucks. Yeah. He did. He kind of hurt.

But your lineup now sucks. Shay and great shot. It didn't say line up though. He got just finds a hole dude. I can't find that hole.

I can be taking lots of ways. There's plenty of ways. Look for the whole of my whole life. Found a one. Had to watch him all weekend.

16th Augusta. Correct that. I don't think there's. I don't remember him making it at 12. It was 16.

It was 16. I want to say there hasn't been an ace on the 12th hole in Augusta. I'm like 30 or 40 years or something like that. Makes sense. Uh, in play.

I guess that. I was playing on Bryson on 16 in the gust. He made his and the masters. I think on the air tiger one 19. I hit it to like three feet.

And then his ball goes just by mine and goes in and he goes crazy. And I was pissed that mine and go in and his did. And he's like, I'm going to jump around in half five. And I was like, get out of here dude. I want to make all the one.

I remember that reaction dude.

And he was literally jumping around the place.

Yeah. I literally hit the same shot right before him and mine stops. And his just rolls in. I got to see that clip. I have to see that clip.

Because I do.

“I I oddly remember when he was physically jumping around.”

You're looking for iPod. I mean, as anyone would, right? 16th hole. I guess it. I'm pretty sure I have five.

I don't want to do it. No, I just found it on YouTube. I'm going to send it to Ryrigin. Was it like a begrudging high five? I can't wait to see us.

So I get doing that jumpsuit, right? Look at that thing out there. Woo! Oh, the zoom. All right.

Here we go. Watch this ball on the green it rolls by. Oh, what a shot. Oh, mine just wants to stop right there, huh? How'd you leave it above the whole kid?

I don't know. No. I've bracing makes you hog him. Yes. Look at him.

Head on the hips. Hand on hip. Hand on hip. You're thinking right there. Fuck me man.

No way. I'm complaining to do it about how to do it. How did my not go in? [laughs] Those are the questions.

You're big.

“You have to take ball mark was right in front of that ball too.”

Like how did it not? I have no idea. Why didn't it just like hit and stopped even on a 40 degree slow. Probably the perfect place you could have put that thing too. Can you see the ball from there from that to you?

You could see your ball just stay in there. Oh yeah. Yeah. That's that's the same. Nothing ever stays above that whole.

Especially because you draw the ball. I'm sure you drew it in there, right? After. Yeah. Yeah.

Poor bastard. All right. Anybody else have anything that got the islander game of a generation tonight. I'll just hang the way on the edge.

I'll just hang the edge. We're just winning big games. This is what the NHL does great. It's like at the end of the season. Every sport does this, I guess.

But like at the end of the season. It's all division games. Like you're all tightly packed in that metropolitan division. We're all playing each other. You got the you got the penguins coming to town tonight.

I don't know if Crossbees play him. But he might. He's an all-time islander killer. All-time. All of his cars be now.

40. I'm going to. Yes. Close. Crossbees is 37.

Well, he's born in 87. Yeah. I born in 87 as well. So he's got to be 30. 39 soon.

He's obsessed with the number 87. It's his birth year. It's his number. It's how much money he requested from the penguins.

Eight million seven seven seven seven seven thousand.

Whatever. And he's supposed to get 18 million. He only asked for 87. How much? After Metro boy Matthew could chuck at TGL, he brought his gold medal.

Here it is. That's pretty cool. He's letting everybody wear his tie. He said you hadn't taken it off yet. And he says real fun when he goes back to his team.

And like the Canadian guys are in the locker room. And he's got this. We got to get a Kevin Kisner TGL recap. I mean, you played in the finals. And I thought you got absolutely host with that ball that went into the rough.

On the final on the final shot. But you got to you got to talk a little bit about that. We haven't gotten that from you. Man, I played all right. I didn't make any puts.

The green was really weird that night. I don't know if y'all remember, but everybody's missing short puts. But yeah, of course it comes down to my hole again. And I thought I had a perfect three wood. Somehow I had a three wood two hundred ninety yards on the computer.

Which is not possible, but it runs out. You guys are footing the rough. When he told me it was in the rough, they grew up for the finals. It was like eight inches compared to all year was two inches. But my was just sitting up enough that I thought I could hit this seven wood.

I only had to fly like two hundred twenty yards. And I touched this grass man like a foot behind the ball. And I like blacked out before I hit the ball. Because I thought I was going to miss the entire ball.

“And I was like, what are we going to do now when I missed this ball?”

And I mean, when I hit it, I was like, get it even hit the screen. And it pops up. And I'm like, I have no idea where that went. I should probably lay it up. But it was fun man.

We had a chance to win. We played great. We probably should have put him away earlier. I think we had some suspect hammer. Hammer I did on that match.

Probably should have thrown it when Scotty was away across the green. Yeah. And Max that was up there, whatever. But we kind of got a little like hand lock with the hammer.

We got it because we were so shitty at it for the first year and a half.

So then we started being so patient with it. But yeah, it was cool. You know, obviously the plan was all along for me to not play the second night. Everybody thought that I was going to play on both. But that was pretty much our plan the whole time.

Yeah, it was really entertaining. I mean, obviously the second match wasn't so much. But it was, it was a good TV man. And that's really what it comes down to. That's what it needs to be.

I mean, it was entertaining.

People, even in the restaurant were like getting up. Yeah, watching it and all the reactions were oozing. And for like a Monday, Tuesday night, whatever that ended up being like, pretty damn good for, you know, extra golf for fans to be able to watch. And obviously you guys were playing for a bunch of money.

So it looked like a matter. Yeah, the green was all messed up. I mean, I was even seeing, like, everyone was missing parts. It was, I really saw a half like couldn't make a pun of his life dependent on it.

I never even seen him play so poorly.

But I guess it was just like the greens were just. It was like the ball was moving away from the hole as it got closer. Yeah, it was like the plates didn't settle right or something. It didn't look bad. But when you hit a put it didn't roll right or I couldn't figure out what was going on.

Not all were very confused. Both sides. Yeah, that's how you know. But yeah, just some rose man. That guy's a problem.

Dude. Why is his face so pointing now? You know, not just that. Like his facial features look so pronounced. I don't know if that's your song.

Not to bring him. I mean, you know, obviously there's a lot that goes into the tiger and just to kind of put a bow on this thing. But I mentioned to a rigs, like when we were out coming with Ludwig,

“I think we were watching Rose in that final match.”

And I was like, he's such an example of like if tigers life just went smoothly. And he had drivers and all these things. And like things just went a little bit more smooth. How dominant he would have been because look at Justin Rose is able to be one of the best golfers in the world. How old is he?

45. 47. 47. 47 years old. And he's like a peak athlete out there on the PGA tour.

I mean dominating no matter what he plays in. He's got chances to win masters still. It's unbelievable what he's able to accomplish. And tiger would have been that times a billion. So it's, it goes back to that sad part where it's like,

God is what it is, man. Fucking is what it is. Yeah, Justin Rose is insane. Insane. You know, he's just, yeah, he's, he's, he's killed us to it.

Right, it comes for so long. Yeah, many, even in relationship with, if you talk to Ludwig at all there. Yeah, I love Ludwig at all there kids. Yeah, I love Ludwig.

We have his name agent, you know, always talking trash.

When we beat him that night that y'all, that's who we played the night y'all there, right? Yeah, then I had to go work at Bay Hill and I walked out there and he was leading or whatever on Saturday. And I was like, man, are you still getting over that L output on you on Tuesday? He's a fun guy to be around. He is.

We had, we just had a great time with him. So I was curious because yeah, we did a, we filmed the whole video and they did the pod. We made him buy us lunch, unfortunately, and unintentionally. But he's, he was a great dude. He was awesome.

We got that video coming out. By the way, I think this week voice.

“I think Wednesday of this week, Wednesday of this week.”

Wednesday of this week. Wednesday of this first lunch break. The four man scrabble man. It's a four play scrabble. I guess we're caught it until we get a fourth until like kids,

figures out a way to join our, our crew because if he played, we would obviously just win everything. But the play scrabble's on the back. We're back. Back against Lud, who's the man.

A lot of pressure. Now, of course. Pawn of VDRA in in country club. Is that it? Awesome spot.

Wow. Really cool spot. Wind is very prevalent there, obviously. And the ones that are into it, make the holes impossible. The ones that you're back, like downwind our, my God.

If I could bottle that up and play that every day. Three. I'm on man. Trant hits from draws. I hit a bunch of draws.

Not because it's a great way. I don't point. I thought he out, out, drew of Ludvagoberg.

“It's just like one of those sounds and then the draw.”

And we all looked at each other. Like what the fuck was that? There's downwind. They even Ludvago, like, laugh. He's like, I was fucking sick.

I was sick. I mean, didn't draw. He's doing, he's hitting draw. And he doesn't, like, Lud doesn't know the back story.

So he's like, why do you guys keep laughing? When Trent tees off. We're like, no. I'm lining him up now. I'm like helping him with his alignment.

Because he was so used to just opening everything up. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So now I'm like, I'm giving out lines. I'm like the right side of the right bunker out there on the fairway.

Like water, water right. He's just drawing it off that water. Draw on it. I love that. It's been great.

Do you hit some bombs to on in the Ludmatch? You hit some bombs out there. You hit three would off the deck that went. That took my breath away. I'm a whole new person.

I know. I'm a whole different person. I'm a whole different person. Like, I used to, like, when I would we would go to matches or just to go play, fill the video or just play for fun.

I was always excited to go because it's like, oh, this is great that we get to do this.

But there was always a part of me where it's like, well, I'm going to slap thick one out there. Two hundred and two yards. And like, I'm going to have a three would in my hand on a par four. Like, that's not very fun. Now when we're going into these matches, I'm like, let's go.

Like, we can actually, I can play well enough where I'm going to have even more fun. So it really, it's been a blast. It really has. Love that he does just consistently keep going. Like, this is so fun hitting the ball.

And people are going to love love. Like, you know, this perception about him. We talked about it with him during the podcast where he's kind of a robot out there and he plays fast. You don't know what's on about him. He shows so much personality in this video that's coming out.

Yeah. I agree. I agree.

“I wrote with him the whole day and he was great man.”

He was awesome to ride with.

The great partner, watching him swing and how fast he plays is it's cool. He's, you know, he's not going anywhere. He's going to be for the next 20 years, just a force on the P.J. Tor. He's going to be a force for the European rider cup team.

And he was just a great dude.

And once again, thank you, look, for lunch.

We very much appreciate that.

“That was the next thing I've been to do.”

All right. Anyone have anything else? I think that's it. Speaking of him buying you lunch, remind me to tell you a story about Jim Fierick buying me food one time on the next spot.

Okay. Wow. But a tease. Wow. I like it.

Brian Richardson throw that in the notes. I love that. I like it. I like teasing for the next episode. Great tease right there.

“I believe we're going to have Dan Hicks on the next show as well.”

Who's great.

And he's been through a lot of incredible calls.

His story calls. Monumental calls sits next to kids up there in the booth. So nice little tease for next show. Wednesday, you check out the lot of video on our YouTube channel. Thank you, everybody, for listening.

Next to Ryan Richardson on the ones and twos. And what we back Thursday, hit it hard. Hit it hard. Hit it hard. Hit it hard.

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