Billie Eilish

>> Hello, everyone. Welcome to another episode of Good Hang. We have an incredible guest today. It is the one, the only Billy Eyelish. Billy, yeah, so great.

Love her, and we're going to talk about so many good things. We are going to talk about how important it is to laugh. We're going to talk about intrusive thoughts. What to do with them? We're going to talk about how much she loves to sing,

and how lucky we are that she loves to sing, because she's the best voice in the world. We are going to talk about how she's saved an animal that was in her own walls. And we're going to talk about her new concert film. Hit me hard and soft, coming out this week in theaters.

So much to talk about, she's the best Billy.

And you know, we always like to do something on this show.

We like to speak to someone who knows our guests. And wants to speak well behind our guests back. And who do we get? Phineas, of course, Phineas, her brother, her collaborator, an incredible producer, a musician, writer, composer, who probably

was Billy Better than anyone. And very nicely speaking to us while he drives his car in LA. So let's get on the zoom with Phineas. Phineas, hi. This episode is presented by Hilton.

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Phineas. Hi, how's it going? Let me pull my car over and hang it on. Oh, yeah, this is very LA that you're zooming throughout while you're driving.

Yeah. Well, the softball game, the park, the Saturday morning softball game just ended. Okay, cool, I'm pulling over and taking this way, most space. Here I go, I'm pulling over to really look you in the eye

and focus here. I have a question about the Waymo. A lot of people who don't live in California don't experience this Waymo, which is a driverless car. That's right.

What do you think happens if you hit a Waymo? What happens? Yeah, I am much more blousey about cutting off a car with no driver than I am about cutting off another human being. I know.

Yeah, I don't care.

“I think it's really interesting that we treat driverless cars”

like with derision like words, we were like, whatever. Don't let the Waymo in. But we kind of love the little shopping cart thing that rolls around. That is adorable.

Have you ever been in an LA intersection where the little robot delivery cart meets a Waymo at the same time and they just stand there together? Like they're in love, I assume. I like that.

Now, I have it. I look forward, that's going to be like, you know, a four leaf clover in a field. Yeah, keep your eye out for that, for that me cute, that me, LA me cute.

Okay, I guess what I wanted to ask you before we get to your question and I know you're literally pulled over on the side of the highway so we won't keep you. But you have made a point of letting us in on your creative process a lot, which I really appreciate

as a person who tries to make things. What do you like about letting people in on that? Because people, some people don't really feel like they don't like to do that.

“What do you get out of showing people how you make things?”

I like it because it's become in the music production space more and more popular. I would say that when I was 13 and I was scouring the internet trying to find the kind of videos that we've made a lot of, I was finding some but not a ton.

And man, I find them inspired. You know what I mean, I see it comes a fire truck and I'm going to wait for a beat. I hope it's a way more fire truck and nobody's right? No, nobody's driving it.

I find it. I find it so inspiring as a consumer to be like, oh, that's the laptop that I could buy at the Apple Store. And there's kind of a magic and mystery in hearing a great song that makes it feel unattainable to me.

And I think that when I see somebody break it down, I go like, oh, wow, I could do that.

And I think also, I'm always rolling my eyes

in the music space that people acting like they have some secret saw, a secret ingredient thing. Yeah. And to me it's like, no, no, there is nothing. It's all just like I had an idea and here's how it is

or maybe it's just more tedious or painstaking.

You know what I mean, so that I love that quality, I love. And I also think that like it connects people to the project more like I'm a DVD behind the scenes commentary of a movie guy. I love learning about the process of making the thing

“and I think it makes you love something more.”

Any creative process, like they're all kind of similar. It's like a lot of trying things in real time. And then like a lot of jokes to like get your brain off lines because you can't think anymore, which I can, like I love that you and Billy when you work together,

you do that a lot. You like use comedy to switch yourself out of a rut or out of a mood or something, I've noticed. Yes, we just where she cracks me up so much. When I make her laugh much like your laugh or like Conan's laugh

or something like she has a laugh to me that I'm like, oh, like that makes me feel so good to make Billy laugh. That's such an eldest child. Oh, Pheneas, it's so nice because, okay, I'm the oldest, the eldest child, we have it the worst.

(laughing) I'm sorry, it's the hardest. We have a lot of weight on our shoulders

and we're also really, always trying to get our younger sibling

to laugh feel better. We feel like we feel a lot of obligation. I don't know if it's different for our oldest boys,

“but what do you like and not like about being an eldest child?”

I guess the only thing I don't like is that on a good day when I feel like I'm really in the pocket, it seems like, oh, it must be cool to have an older sibling. That's what I'm saying. Like, the period of time where I could drive her places

and shit like that, I was like, this is awesome. So that's a kind of a con like, I wish I had a cool older sister or older brother or something. And then the pro is just having a younger sibling as awesome, and getting to like, roll your eyes with your parents

about your younger sibling growing up and they're being insane.

Feeding to being the favorite, that's awesome.

It doesn't like being the favorite. Oh, yeah, I know. So you talk about liking the idea that you're Billy's protector and you're also obviously so important in her life and her career and you guys are also doing tremendous things.

Separately, and what I wanted to ask one last question is, how would you describe the way you like to work? How my fantasy is that you get in a place with somebody and the prerec is that you go in there and you already think they're talented.

Even if they're not successful yet, they've done something that you're like, I am attracted to that quality.

“I think they have an amazing voice or they're a great writer,”

whatever it is. So you already come in an admirer and then you hang out and you make each other laugh and you have a cup of coffee and you let your guard down and you talk shit about something and then you're like, oh damn,

we probably only have like 90 minutes before you have that flight back to New York. You want to try to make something really quick and then you make something in this kind of like pressures off expectations have gone away sort of a thing.

And then when you're in that process, you get inspired and you get passionate and you get the kind of feeling that we all get of like, no, no, no, we want to make this the best it can be but that it's all inside this kind of, you know, egg shell

of like, we're just like, you know, we're just having a blast here. We're just having a great time and I don't think that you're a failure if you don't make something today and you don't think I'm a loser. - I don't know if you've ever met Mike Sure,

who's a showrunner and writer. - I have not met him but I'm an admirer. I know who he is. - You and Mike remind me of each other a lot and when I've heard you speak and because it's just based because this idea of like, you can decide

that chaos is gonna be the thing that's the agent that creates creativity or you're gonna, or you can decide it's connection. And you sometimes, there's a truly eccentric chaotic experience that's like, holy shit, we made something for the most part.

Like, if it's chaotic and not connected, it's hard. - And also imagine, I feel like the real pivot for me was like, I was very ambitious as a 19-year-old 20-year-old. Mainly because I didn't want the opportunity to go away. I felt like we had this great thing I didn't want to lose it

and I was stressed. I was like, oh my God, I don't want to fail. And I think that then we succeeded in a bigger way than I thought we would. And then we've had sort of ups and downs as everybody does.

And I was like, okay, so then if I really have no control over whether something succeeds or not, I might as well just have the best time possible making the thing because the couple times in my life that I've been involved in making something that was unpleasant to make.

- Yes. - I didn't really care if it succeeded. I was like, that was horrible to work on that. And especially if it failed in whatever metric or capacity,

That was awful to do and then nobody even liked it. And now I work on stuff and I'm like, well, you can't take away from me that I had this amazing summer. I mean, it's part of the unfair thing about working with Billy for me.

And I'm like, I'm expected to work with people that I love so much less than my sister. And you're like, we spend about a year making a record. And I'm like, yeah, that's a year I get to hang out with Billy three days a week and have a wonderful time

with her every time and the idea of getting in with somebody that's a stranger, it could lead to that. But it's like unlikely that I'm gonna love somebody that much. - So what do you love about your sister? - I love so many things about her.

“I think she's so earnest and sweet and hardworking”

and I think she sees the world through a totally different lens than I do and then there are things that we feel similarly about and we think the same thing about. I love disagreeing with her about stuff.

It would never for no reason.

But I love finding out why she feels differently about something. She's so competitive. I love that about her. - I love that about her too. - I'm not a competitive guy.

Like we lost the softball game. I do not care. Like that is not a problem to me. And if Billy were at the softball game with me, Billy would be sitting here next to me like Kobe

when Kobe would lose the championship. Like she is a fighter and I love that. And that's lucky for me to be on the same team as. And she's an amazing compassionate sort of loving person. She got all that from our mom, she loves animals of all kinds.

She's incredibly environmentally conscious. She's learned so many lessons that I think take other people a longer time to learn if they ever do. - Agreed. - So I'm in my eye of all those things.

- Thank you for saying that. So well said.

And so to our last to let you get back on the road

and to honestly take a look at how you could have done better on the field because that is important on your right home. Do you have a question? Anything you think Billy would want to talk about or, you know, yes.

- Okay, you go. - I do, I do.

“- Okay, so I think that the best way for me to phrase this”

is to not overexplain it to you because I think you learning it from Billy is funnier. - Okay. - I want you to ask Billy what tomato-bisc soup is and I want you to ask Billy how she lost tomato-bisc soup.

- Fantastic. Perfect, this feels like family lore. I can't wait to get into it. - It's shockingly recent. (laughing)

This is not some thing from 10 years ago. This is like this is fresh. - This is Friday. (laughing) - Yeah, yeah.

- Oh my God, awesome. Okay, Jenny, thank you so much for your time and doing this and truly any time you want to come in here and talk more, I would love it. - So be honored.

I'm a big fan, thanks again. Have fun with Billy. - Thank you so much, you're the best. Talk to you soon and nice to meet you. - Bye, bye.

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Oh my god, Billy, I wish this here. - Billy, yeah, okay. I mean, you're tiny, you're a teeny tiny. But you're a giant, but you're a teeny tiny. - You're teeny tiny, lady.

- What are you talking about? - You're a shorty, you're like-- - I am shorty. I am a shorty. This is true.

- You're shorty. - You're shorty. - You're shorty, five, two, five, two, and you walk. - I'm five, three. (laughing)

- What? What do I do? - Yeah, we'll see. - We'll see, we'll see. - We'll see, we'll see.

- We'll see, we'll see. - We'll see, we'll see. - Well, you know what's interesting? I've been five, three. I'm still saying that I'm five, three because I feel

that it's not true that I've grown an inch, but I did just go to the doctor and they checked my head and I was five, four. Suddenly. - And I've been five, three since I was 12 years old.

- So I've been telling everybody that I grew an inch. I literally've been going around and being like, guys, I grew an inch. - Do you think though you have a good posture, or do you think your posture's gotten better?

- I think my posture's better.

I do have the phone, the iPhone bump.

- You know the iPhone bump at the top of the spine. Kind of vibe, but other than that. - Yes, you probably have Alexander Technique dance and training posture stuff, yes. - Well, but well done.

- I've actually had been working on my posture because it's your posture bad in general. - It is pretty bad, it's getting worse. It's getting worse. And it's getting worse, interesting.

- I know. - 'Cause of this, 'cause of working, 'cause of sitting.

“- I think it's just 'cause, well, maybe because of computers”

and phones, yeah, but it might just be like age and... - Yeah. - So I have to work on it. Okay, so Billie Eilish is here,

we're working on our posture.

You're a teeny tiny, but you're a giant. (laughing) - You're a giant, it every industry, okay. So you know how to not totally praise and tell me so I'm gonna take it slow.

- Okay, very, very pump that you're here. - I'm such a fan of your work. I am such a fan of how you work. And you've been very generous to us. People who don't know you, but get to experience your art.

You've been very generous and showing us how you work. And I have like really blown away by how you approach your art and your work because what I feel from you and I think is true is like you have this thing, a lot of it comes from your family, the way you were raised,

this kind of like the way in which your family, the people around you like made you like a citizen of the world, that you're not, you don't feel above people. I know, and because of that, it's like you're in it with us.

This whole thing feels like we're in it together. Like you're physically in it, like you're physically in the crowd, you're physically in the room, like you put yourself in. Sometimes it gets nervous for you. And then you also, because of it,

“that's why we feel as fans, we feel so connected to you.”

And the other part of you, that I love is you're so funny, and you love to laugh, a comedy is so important to you. Oh, God, I was literally saying, yes, today I was with my friends and we were talking about how we live to laugh. I just, I literally live to laugh.

I said this to my friend, because she was talking about relationships and she was like, she was like, well, I just didn't laugh. And I was like, well, bitch, you live to laugh specifically. And I do too, and so when you're not with somebody who makes you laugh. Anyway, she, the rest of the day, she kept me like,

I can't get over you saying, live to laugh. I know, it's medicine for this medicine. Amy, thank you for saying all that stuff. Oh my God, I wrote out of my face. Oh my God, God, also, you're like, us as fans.

And just you, are you kidding me? I'm feeling like a fan. Wow, thank you very much. But yes, I feel, I feel one with the world and the fans and the, oh, I think the comedy part is important because it is like, you know,

you can do so many things well, and you're in a family of artists

“who do a lot of things and you're doing a lot of things.”

Yes. But the comedy part, if like, I'm curious where that, where I'm curious like what your relationship was to comedy as a little kid and a young person, like, your family, like, you guys laugh a lot. Oh, yeah.

And you all have good sense of humor, like, yeah, sharp. Yeah, I mean, my mom was was, my both of my parents, gosh, this is amazing.

I literally like have never talked about anything in this realm,

which I'm loving right now. All right. Um, I mean, my mom was in the ground. So she is just naturally very funny and very quick and witty and like, has so many characters and so does my dad.

My dad is like an incredible face maker. He makes amazing faces and he and I used to have like face making competitions when we were living out as a little kid and, um, so I would always see them just be funny all the time and all they did was be funny and laugh and all finished, I mean,

finish is like truly a comedic genius. Yeah, he is really good Joe like really funny and has been forever. I mean, when we were, I was thinking about this today, randomly, the way when we were doing meetings with like labels and stuff when I was 14 and he was 18, he was just like cracking jokes for the whole thing and

making everybody, you know, die laughing. So I don't know what it came from. I love to laugh so much and I just came from just a flat. Like you start to like know what you see and like the love language that your family was like last year or so after a little bit of

slight teasing, which to me is a sign of love. That's literally my, I live, I live for that. I like there's nothing that's funnier to me than being made fun of and making fun of someone else. It's, to me, it's like how I show someone that I love and that that's

how love is shown to me. Yes, 100%. And it is just like some families, it's wild. Some families don't do that. I can't even believe that.

Some people don't do that. Some people don't do that. Sometimes like I feel like people enter my life and I start to like

and it's like, I realize like, oh, are you?

You don't do this. So it feels like I'm bullying you. Yes, but really I'm just trying to be. I'm loving you. I'm loving you.

I'm loving you so much. Yeah, John. Oh, my God. Also, like laughing at yourself is like the greatest one of the greatest joys and like, it is, it's a sign of intelligence, but having a sense of

humor by yourself, especially when you're all eyes are on you. Yes. When you're young, versus super hard to get yourself two series. It's just the worst quality in the world. It is, but it, it is the worst quality, but I have empathy for it

because usually it comes from like, you know what I saw in a lot of SNL. Yes.

You've got people at their most nervous.

Yes. So when people are nervous, like, whatever is your shadow side comes out. Right. You get quiet or you get kind of mean to people or you get hectic or and when you're nervous, like, sometimes people just, they, they,

they really tense up. They want to take things seriously because they want to do a good job. Yeah. And you're like, I hate to break it to you.

“The secret is to be a big dummy and pretend that life is a dream.”

I know. I know. It's hard. Well, it's like the whole thing that people talk about these days, which is so real, which is like embracing being cringe is literally allowing yourself to be happy

and free. Like letting yourself be cringy or, you know, you know, when like, you know, a kid hits a certain age, like, depending on the kid, like for me, it was like probably 10 or 11 where they start going like, that's weird. Yeah.

That's weird. Why did you say that? And you realize that they're, they're, they're suddenly very, you know, self-conscious and aware. Yeah.

And then thinking everything is weird and wanting to be cool and wanting to fit in in whatever way. Yeah. I feel like letting that go is very hard and challenging and trying not to be cool. Yes.

It's like so much cooler. I know.

“But it's like you have to go through it to get there and we've all been on both sides.”

We've been the 10 year old that's like, dad, don't pick me up with them all. Right. Don't side them all. Yeah. Please don't embarrass me.

But it's like sometimes a thing that might be embarrassing is like what brings us the most joy of anything in the world. Like I was, I spent so many years when I started, you know, having this career that I wanted to like prove the kind of artist that I was and, you know, I wanted people to think of me in a certain way.

And I feel like at a certain point I was just like, this is bringing me no joy at all. Like I, this is not fulfilling to me in the slightest at all. I mean, I wonder for you like at SNL because when I hosted a few years ago, I was, it was so good. Thank you for seeing that.

You actually did that. Do you actually think so? Dude. Yes. We, okay.

Well, there are people that we host and we're like, oh, like they did a really nice job. Like they had a lot of fun. But you're genuinely funny. Yeah. Thank you, God.

I mean, it was so scary. But my question to you though, I mean, and like I love SNL, but, but the vibe was very intense. Yes.

“And the whole week leading up, I was like, why am nobody laughing at all?”

Because I was like, isn't this show about laughing? But it's so serious. And I think everyone is like, wants to keep their job at the same time. Yeah, that show is like, it's some serious. A lot of people auditioning to keep their job.

Yeah. And it's like an emergency room. Like sometimes the emergency room days are like fun and you're like goofing around and other days. You're just like, oh, everybody scrambling around and I'm like, like, you're, it's your time.

It's a different approach. I mean, it's like, it's just fun. It's a different approach. It's like, it's just fun. It's like, it's just fun.

It's like, it's just fun. Wait. You're a huge fan of comedy, and you've talked about this in a million times, but you have watched the office girl, how many times for real? Because is it, it says 30 times over that now.

So what? What?

Well, because I don't ever stop and I never, we just have it on a list.

Well, when you asked earlier, I meant to say to your question about like, humor and yeah, girl, how did you, you know, a big part of that was the office. I mean, I started watching the office when I was like 11 or 12. And that's an extension about cringe, because you're, I mean, the, like, Genzi, their relationship to cringe has been really interesting to watch.

They were really afraid of it, then shows embrace it, like, their favorite comedies embraced it. And they almost got to like experience it, vigorously through someone else. I was like, I mean, Michael Scott is the ultimate cringe journey. Yes.

100%. He's like, oh my God, are you dying for him? And then by then you're like, or he's like, Buddha, literally.

and Michael Scott as a whole is that he is so awful, but you, you, he's so undeniably, you can't help but love him and feel for him and see yourself in him weirdly. And like, kind of aspired to be fired as open book as him at the end of the day.

“I think that the amount of times at this point, I mean, I said 30, probably like, four”

years ago. So, wow. I probably rewatched the whole series, like, three or four times a year. Sorry. It's, it's, if not more.

Sorry. So, Jenna, Jenna took a little out of all the other day and added up the hours of what that is. God. I know that it's like 92 days.

Day, straight. No. I guess my question to you is like, have you tried Parks and Rec and I do? I love Parks. I love Parks.

I love Parks and Rec. I love Parks and Rec. Parks and Rec. Parks and Rec. Parks and Rec.

Parks and Rec. Parks and Rec. Parks and Rec. Parks and Rec. Parks and Rec.

Parks and Rec. That would love for you to check it out. That would love for you to check it out. Be it. Be it.

Be it. Be it. Parks and Rec is one of the greatest performances in history and everybody knows it. And that is one of my top five shows. So moving on, but I feel you, getting back to the office and just that I, okay, also

I would say that the idea that TV shows are like a comfort and a way to self-smooth. Yes.

“It's really, really, I really, really, I think a lot of people were like, especially”

comedy because there's something about the way in which there's a tiny bit of conflict. Mm-hmm. They get along. Yeah. They figure it out.

Mm-hmm. They go on with their day. Everybody's okay. And then if you re-watch it and re-watch it and re-watch it, you know how it's going to do? Yes.

A hundred percent. This is my exact experience, exactly what you're saying. Because I sell the soothing. A hundred, it's a self-s soothing, like knowing the end, knowing anxiety thing. Yes.

It's like, yeah. Because I have trouble watching movies that are, I have trouble watching doing anything that's new, watching entertainment that is new, because I feel like it's like an ADHD. I just, all I do is re-watch the same movie, the same show, the same meal, listen to the same song over and over.

Yeah. In a way that's like, like, it's like a little bit, well, for the top. It depends on how you frame it, right? If someone else was there, they're like, you know, but I want to alone, obviously, it's

the most amazing thing in the world.

What TV show, you watch the office over and over, what movie, you watch over and over, what meal do you eat over and over? Amazing questions. Um, the office over and over, yeah, new girl over and over. Oh my god.

Uh, movie, like, Ferris Bueller's Day off, I see an unbelievable amount of times. But over the hedge, I have seen so many times, over the hedge, Steve Correll plays a squirrel. Oh, it's an animated movie. Yeah. It's an animated movie.

Okay. Okay. It's unbelievably amazing. So many people to watch it, spear it, unbelievable film. Have seen it so many times, animated, it's an animated horse, the horse movie.

Yes, the horse girl. I am a horse girl. And you prove my theory. Jennifer Lawrence was in here. She's a horse girl.

Yes, I know this. Horse girls have beautiful hair. I did see it saying that. And you're good, great here.

You always have, and horses, you're a part horse.

Also, I was the year of the horse, born the year. And this is the year of the horse. That's. We're out of here. The five horse.

Which one of the horse? The five horse. You're a beautiful hair, too. Thank you, sir. Do you like horses?

I don't have beautiful hair. Thank you, though. I don't love horses. I like this hair. This shit out of me.

I love them. Have you ridden them? I reluctantly have ridden them.

“I rode one recently with my son in Iceland a couple years ago, so you know what?”

I'm going to ride. Yeah, I'm going to like, and the whole time, I was like, I can't not wait to get off. It's so bad, it hurts. Physically. Yeah, hurt might.

Yeah, the hooves, the hooves in the haws. It hurts. It hurts my inner leg upper butt, front butt region, front butt. Good. It hurt.

Well, like anything, you get used to that. That's true. And then you're champion. Mm-hmm. Okay.

You have had the phrase "youngest" used on you constantly, "youngest" to reach a hundred

million Spotify streams, "youngest winner album, the record of the year, youngest person

ever to win to Academy Awards in any category of my God." Do you, is it kind of nice to reach your 20s and be a little bit away from that kind of young, wonder-kindi vibe?

Yeah, I do. I mean, you're still very young. Yes.

Well, I guess I never thought that I would ever not be a teenager.

It's not like, I don't know, I just was like, "I'm this will be me forever."

“There's no other, you know, I remember when I was like 17, I was like, "Okay, and I am the”

person I will be forever." Right now. And it's just not how it works, obviously. And I am so excited to age and I'm so excited for my face to age and my body to age and not change it, you know, and I want my kids to look at me and have my face look like

their face and not me some botched version of whatever the fuck is going on out there right now. You know what I'm saying? So it is. Yes.

And it was really wild about you being like, "I'm when I was 17, I thought I was a person I was. Yeah. We knew you at 17.

We saw you get a cake from your 17."

And then in the doc, you know, like, happy 17th birthday party at your right. And so you not only are you figure yourself out, but everybody's watching you figure it out. And there's, you know, I'm saying the obvious, but we all go through versions of ourselves privately. You went to go through versions of yourself publicly.

And you also had to, whatever change you decided to make that day affected a bunch of people. It's not like you're like, "I'm going to come in here now," and everyone's like, "Yeah. We got to change the posters." Yeah.

So like, it becomes a thing where you, you, like, trying new versions of yourself. Everybody else weighs in on that, or it has something, how, for minute one belly, from when I saw you to now, there was some kind of inner governor of voice that you would it felt like check in with to make decisions. Who is that?

Where is that? Where does that come from? Is that true? Is that how you make decisions? Wow.

These are amazing questions. Oh my god. Thank you. Oh my god. Oh my god.

Eating it up right now. Wow.

“I feel like it is a gut thing, like, I think that weirdly, as much as it was a strain on my youth”

being coming famous at 14, 13, 14, 15. I weirdly do think that I had that element of teenage carelessness, right? Even though I was self-conscious and very, you know, trying to be cool, I also was myself in a way that I look back on and I'm like, so grateful that I was that way, and I think that weirdly I'm glad that it happened when I was so young because, and I think that it

is attributed also, I have to say, to just the person that I've always been since I was

a little kid, just very strong will and very, very, very bossy, extremely bossy and very needing things to go my way and also being very honest and blunt, I guess. Yes. And so I think when I started doing the interviews or, you know, being asked any kind of question, I was just very, very honest and I also, I did PR training when I was 14 and

I sobbed through it. I hated it so much. It was literally like the scariest shit of all time. What made it so scary? I was just like, made you sob.

I, first of all, the woman who did it to me was like, I would, she knows you'd ask me a question because this is how PR training works. Okay, I should know this. Did you do PR training? No, obviously.

You said no. Well, I only did one session and it was like under an hour and I sobbed and I left. And I did not follow any of the rules after that.

“But basically like, she'll, you know, they'll tell you what you should say or the kind of”

direction you should go and, and then they'll ask you the question like pretending you're in an interview. And so I would start answering the way I would want to answer and she would like kind of caught me off and be like, no, no, you need to start saying this or no, you should be saying this.

Don't say that. Don't give them that. And it was important for me to learn and I'm glad I learned it. But similar to learning to drive safely, it's good to know how to drive safely. So that you can use your, so that then you can, this is really a bad analogy.

But so then you can bend the rules according to, yeah, no, I hear you, but like you know, you know what is safe and good and right, but then I'm going to go be, you know, precise about, you know what I'm saying?

Do you know what I mean? Absolutely. It's like figuring out your own boundaries, like figuring out within those boundaries how to play. Yes.

It's like, made your for you. It's like it's like looking for it's what you want to put out into the world. Yes. And like you feel it and you just kind of can't fake it. You know, and it's probably a little painful when you're not being authentic.

I hate it. Yeah. I hate it.

“And I think when things get more mainstream and then more people who aren't”

your fans are looking at you and hearing it, it becomes like scary. I mean, I feel, I feel like sad thinking back, not even thinking back, just thinking about how I've definitely like, like 80, 75% come down on my, my, uh, not honesty, but my sharing. Huh? Of myself.

I used to be literally like 99% complete sharing with the entire world, which I loved.

Because I also, I am a fan, and I've always been a fan, like my, my, I'm a horse girl,

and I am a fan girl, and I always have been, and these are like, and you were a believer. I was a believer. And you let everyone into that, like, just their place, like, but I did it specifically because I knew that as a fan, I wanted my favorite artists to do that. I wanted to do that.

I wanted to do that. And I do that. You make people feel that way. I know, lyrics make people feel so seen, Billy, like so, like, there's a reason why, okay, I'm gonna praise and praise you again.

Like, like, when, when, when I go to your show, I want to show, and, like, and, like, everyone's singing, you know, um, you know, um, you make me hate this city. Like, you know, and everybody's like, those, like, those, let's take that song. Let's take that. Let's take that song.

(laughter) Okay. Okay. Hold on. I'm gonna sing the entire song to you.

Let's go. Okay. But that moment. Oh, my God. This is not, okay.

I have to break some news. This is not my laptop. I forgot my laptop today. (laughter)

“This is Sam's laptop, and I'm completely stressed out.”

Okay. And for those people watching, this laptop is bigger than my usual laptop. And not, they're probably already noticed that. And don't write in, no comments about laptop. Yeah, I'm so old, I get rid of it.

Okay. Okay. But when you said, okay, when you were like, when you say it,

'cause I've never treated me this shitty.

You're about me hate this city. I don't talk to you about you on the internet. When you're singing it, when you're singing it, and I'm singing it, you're making, you're, you're being, like, you're speaking plainly. I guess is the way to say it.

You're not hiding behind some, like, objects or metaphors. And that authenticity, it's like a direct hit between the audience and you. Like, your lyrics are so fucking great. I guess my question is, I guess I have to give you a question. How do you rate lyrics?

Oh, gosh, terrible question. Forget it. Let's sing it. Okay. (laughter)

(laughter) 'Cause that shit's embarrassing. I mean, that shit's embarrassing. It is, bitch. (laughter)

It is. It is. It really is. That shit's embarrassing. You're my everything.

Like, it's so real. Everybody felt that. Feels that. Thank you. I thought with your lyrics.

But I am genuinely curious, like, do you write a lyric and then you go, that's too, I feel the way about dialogue. Sometimes, I write something like, nobody talks like that. Right, right. Like, nobody's gonna say that.

I mean, dialogue to me is really impressive to write. Like, I don't understand how you do that. That, that to me, I can't, like, fathom writing a script at all. Like, I don't know why.

“I think I just, I have a similar feeling to, like,”

how people talk to me who, you know,

have never made music or art or musical at all,

where they're like, how do you possibly do that? Like, I can't begin to fathom how to write dialogue. Right. So, but I've watched you write lyrics and you've let us watch you write it.

And it feels like you're doing a similar thing, which is like, it's like you try on the lyric, and you're like, is that real? Mm-hmm. Like, you're asking yourself, is that a real thing?

Even though it's not always about a real thing. It's just like, does that lyric feel right in my head? Like, singing it out loud? Well, so my answer to this is interesting, because I don't like writing music.

I've heard you say it.

And I have grown to like, it's so much more over the years. And honestly, like, growing up and becoming an adult and not worrying about being cool. Yeah. Really has helped me write music because a big part

of making anything, and especially music, is allowing it to be bad before it's good. It's like so many things. It's like, and literally anything. And I think like, it's so hard

when you want to be good at something, and especially when you have the pressure of people seeing it and you're like, well, it has to be good. So I can't even, I can't let this be bad for even one second.

It'll stop you from doing it at all. And so I, like, my love is singing. Singing is like, my true, true soul mate. Like singing is the thing that I love more than anything in the world.

And having songs that I have written to sing is the goal.

“Like that's what I love about writing music.”

And also, when I am, 'cause I write everything with my brother, and I write alone every now and then, but it doesn't bring me joy when I write it alone.

And also, I'm too critical and I'm like,

it's just frustrating for me. And when I work with my brother, like I was saying to somebody, 'cause somebody said, like, are you making an album right now because you want to make a new album

or because you're required in your contract, too? And I was like, I've never thought about that once. - Yeah. - And I feel that I'm lucky to feel that way because I don't care if it's because I have to.

It's actually like any excuse to hang out with my brother I'll take. - Come on. - And we get to make music that we both love. And I think that what's interesting

about not loving the process of writing music is I love the outcome so much. - Yeah. - I love my music more than any other music. And I think that that, I think that people hear that

and think like, what the heck? Like, oh, you're listening to your own music

“and it's like, well, yeah, that's why I make it.”

It's like, it's like similar to like, I make my own perfume because I really like the smell of it and I wanna wear it, you know? So I make music to listen to it, to enjoy it and to sing it.

It's my favorite thing in the world. - You're so good at singing. - Thank you. - It's so good that you like the thing that you're so good at.

- Thank God. - I know kidding. (audience applauds) I like to ask singers this. We had Haley.

We never were friends with text.

- Whatever were friends we text. (audience laughs) - Not to be honest. - We all feel about her doing a little bit. - Oh, that's very cool.

And totally not, don't make a big deal out of it. But I asked her this and I like to ask, like your first relationship to your voice. Like, when you were like, I like my voice.

“Do you remember, you must have been the tiny one”

because you were singing at a very young age and you were encouraged to sing a lot. But that thing when you sing and you think like, whatever's coming out is kind of good. - Yeah, is good.

- Whoa. - Do you remember feeling of that? Well, it's so interesting because I have been singing for my entire life.

Like I don't, there was never a beginning.

It was just I was singing and singing and singing. And I grew up in a very musical household. Piano always being played guitar, being played. You know, my mom was a songwriter and you know, Phineas started writing song before I did.

He was older than me. And so there was always music around. And so I was very encouraged to sing. I think, you know, I was homeschooled. But in the homeschool community,

there's like, you know, DIY talent shows type stuff. There's like homeschool talent shows. And it was the only thing I looked for. I literally, all I wanted to do was be on a stage singing or dancing.

I think a little baby Coachella that you were saying. - Yes. - Yeah. And the first song I sang was tomorrow from Annie, of course. And I think I was like eight or, wait no, six.

I think I was six. And that, right? I don't know, I was a hard time with numbers, ages. But that, I remember it like that. I don't even think I did, but I loved it so much

and the feeling of the crowd cheering was just the greatest thing. But I think my relationship to my voice, like I, this is gonna sound weird and I hope it doesn't sound like pick me 'cause I really mean it.

No more cringe, it's over, no more pictures. - No more cringe, no more, yeah, you're right. But I never, like I didn't think of myself as a singer.

And then I remember like when I was about 11, like Pheneas would, you know, be with his friends and sometimes be like, well, my sister, my little sister has a really good voice. And I'd be like, what?

And then he'd be like Billy, sing the beginning of Baby by Justin Bieber. And I would be like, I would be like, well, well, and his friends would be like, oh, you know, well, just like, yeah.

“And I remember like doing it once and messing it up”

and I was like, yeah, I was so upset. 'Cause really I wanted to be a dancer. That was like my thing. - I know, and then they would like make me sing at like the dance sleepover.

Like they'd be like, Billy, go up and sing. And I was too embarrassed. But then I would. - I mean, that's like, you're like the athlete that played basketball and then was like,

I think I also like baseball and you're like, win the world series. - Really? - That's such a good dancer. - I was barely a good dancer. - I was like, love dancing so much.

- What was your thing that were you ballet? - I started dancing 'cause I loved tap dancing. - Oh, come on, Billy. - I was a taper. - What?

- Yeah, I was a taper. And then once I started getting into tap, I was like, oh, I like this. And then I started doing hip hop and I loved hip hop. And then I would do contemporary.

So these were my top three.

“And then because I fell in love with dance,”

I was like, well, now I have to do ballet to be part of the other stuff 'cause it was required. And then jazz and then lyrical and. - Have you ever had a thing of like maybe I'll dance when I sing? - Right when I started getting good,

I got a horrible injury and then I was not allowed to dance.

And I never danced ever again.

(laughing) - Except I started dancing recently again. I'm in like a class every now and then. - That's cool. - Which is really cute. - That's very cool.

What did you injure if you might injure? - My hip, but basically that took me out. - Wow, that's so intense and so interesting like how life, like so that opens the door to the thing that you love doing anyway.

- Right, well, dude, what's crazy about the dancing of it is that I started getting really serious with dance when I was 12, no, 13. And I like, I dyed my hair platinum white that year. And then Phineas was like, dude,

should we make a sound cloud page for fun and like maybe make some songs and put them out for fun like for our friends to play or whatever. And so at the same time as I was getting really serious about dance, we had this idea.

We recorded like some little stupid songs. And then one of my dance teachers, Fred Diaz, said, and I've told this story before, but literally like the older I get the more insane it is. He was like Billy stay behind after class one day

and he was like, can you and Phineas make a song so that I can choreograph a dance to it and we can do it for the recital next year. And I was so excited and I thought, you know what?

“Phineas just wrote a song that I think is called Ocean Eyes.”

Maybe it could be that one. I go home and like Phineas Fred wants us to make a song. Let's make it as like danceable as possible. We went home, we recorded Ocean Eyes, which he had written for his band.

And he said it didn't feel right. And he wanted me to sing it anyway. So we were already kind of gonna do that. Anyway, we went to put it on SoundCloud. It had a free download link up.

Anyone could download it for free. And we only put it on SoundCloud to send an easier link to the dance teacher. And so we did. And then like that week I was getting ready for competition.

And then a week later Phineas called me. And he was like, Billy Ocean Eyes has a thousand streams a thousand. And we were cheering and we were screaming and I was like,

this is the most amazing thing that's ever happened to me.

This is all I could ever dream of. Couple weeks go by. It starts getting bigger and bigger. Like Fred starts choreographing a dance to it. Competition is the next week.

Things are getting bigger. It's like, Hilly Dilly is posting it and like, you know, new music Friday or whatever. And like all these new, these new outlets. And we were getting reached out to by these labels and stuff.

And then it's the last rehearsal before my first dance competition of the season. I have a solo in each combo. I was so excited. We were done with rehearsal.

We were about to leave. And our teacher was like, wait, let's do one more. No, just to film it. And so we did one more. And we filmed it.

And in the middle of my little twerk literally 12 years old, I'm like, my hip is like, and I got injured. And then I was poof, land on the floor. Couldn't walk, couldn't dance definitely. Couldn't do anything.

And was basically like bedridden for at least a week. And then I was on crutches.

And I literally never danced against the whole competition.

Every single competition I didn't get to do one. Billy, I have chills right now. Because then that week I went to all these meetings in my crutches.

I met with all these different booking agents.

I had my crutches. I was like, and I was so sad.

“Oh my god, I mean, there's people listening to this right now,”

who are going to be like having just missed something that they think is the biggest thing in their life. It's pretty wild. They're going to be like, I have chills too. That's so, that is what I've changed.

It's my own story. The universe decided at that, like sliding doors moment of like, we're going to stop, we're going to interrupt this program. And it's like no deeper right, like sadness of then thinking, I, I'm not going to get to do the thing.

That's right in front of me that I'm supposed to do. And then like this little, hey, over here kind of thing happening. Well, when you think something is ruining your life, and it's really actually saving your life. Yes. And I like that you're dancing it,

because there must be a little bit of trauma,

honestly around all of it.

So like you're just, you're coming back as an adult going back me like, oh, maybe I can do this again. That's like a version that feels good to me. Like where I can revisit it. Yeah, it's been really nice.

Yeah. And it's so non-pressure, you know, it's just, it's just like a huge hit of compete. [LAUGHTER] Because we need you to do that, we need you to finish that routine.

Yeah, you're right. I mean, that would be the movie as like you go back out there. I need to do some competitions to encore. And Las Vegas is all the other teenagers. And I mean, I know we all, like, all of our stuff comes from our family,

but it is, all of our stuff comes from our family. And I imagine in that moment, I'm like really feeling for your mom in that moment, right? Like she's got the saddest kid. Mm-hmm.

And both my parents. God, yeah. Like the saddest Billy who's missed this broken hearted little. And in pain. And then also your brother being like, hey, let's do this, sister.

And then it catching on. And watching your family dynamic, and again, I don't know, but having the privilege of getting to see you interact with each other. I feel like the way in which you all kind of support those moments, like the big moments and the low moments.

Like that's very special. I know, very special. It's really special. And I feel so, in hindsight, and present day, so, so grateful for that.

“Because I think I didn't, I didn't even realize what I had,”

because I already had it. And so I didn't know there could be another option. And I think that seeing, you know, some, like some other people who maybe didn't have that support, having to go through all of this stuff alone

is really, I just really feel for them. And I feel like, thank God, I had my mom, thank God I had my brother, especially, thank God I had my dad. And the home that we, that I grew up in, you know, and like, my dog, you know, like, these are all things that really--

And like, they bring up your dog a lot. I love this. Do you still have your dog? Like, is she passed away a couple years ago? But she was old as all fucking hell.

She was so old, God damn it. Our legs were, it was like this kind of situation. What was her name and tell us about your name? Her name was Pepper. And she lived to like, 16.

And it was old as shit. I'm telling you, yeah. She was a mutt. She looked just like Petty from the Little Rascals, which I loved, I loved the Little Rascals as a kid.

She had like, she was a pit bull mix. And she had, like, a circle around her eye. If I didn't have, you know, a dog with reactive issues, I would literally have 17 dogs. Like, yeah, I have a dog.

He's the sweetest boy in the whole wide world. His name is Shark. He's the sweetest boy. He loves people. He loves his dog friends.

He just has, he has a lot of reactive issues. Yeah. And he has since, I mean, I had him since he was five weeks old. So it's interesting.

Like, I always thought, you know, a dog is the way they are

because of how they were raised. And to an extent that is true. Yeah. But they're like people. Yeah.

And we are the way we are, no matter what anybody does. And he just has, like, he's just really anxious. He's very, very anxious. And when he sees a dog that he doesn't know, he sees it as a threat or something.

But, you know, if I introduce him in the right way, yeah, to other dogs, then it's all perfect. But of course, like, of course, you would be a person that would be able to handle something like that. And understand my dog, yeah.

“But I think the difference is like, he, he's a big,”

great pitball mix. Yeah. And so the difference in having a reactive, bigger, stronger, more marginalized breed, when they have anxiety and reactive behavioral issues, is there's so much more of a stigma against them. And people already, like, the stigma against the bully breed

and everything within there is so messed up. It's like, you know, someone can have like a little tiny

But like, someone might have like a little dog who's like, literally biting everyone and like, "Dar at it." And it's like, and it just kills me like, "Oh, yeah, my reactive dog owners out there." Yeah. You are seen. You are loved.

It's a lot of work, but I have like also, also, you know,

“I think it's like, I have such a love for animals.”

It makes sense to me that you're an empathetic, creative, open-hearted person living in a family that tries to be that way, too, that you're trying to pay attention to that, too. Also, if I may, and I'm sure you get this projected on you a lot, but the specialness of your relationship with you and Pheneas.

Like, it's like, it's really delicious. Because it's kind of like every, it's like watching a healthy, it's like watching healthy siblings and watching a, like, just a man support, and a man, that just even that, I know, forget them being related, just like a very, very talented,

self-possessed, and a self-actualized man, being very happy for a woman's success, is already just like, we're all like really hungry for, and just like, speaking nicely about women, we're all just like looking for it. And then the way that you guys speak about each other,

yeah, it's truly a magical gift that I have been given by, who knows what, you know, my parents, something else. - It works a little differently. - Mm-hmm.

“- We do. - When you're working differently, do you argue?”

We argue, but it's very, um, it's not like real argue. It's not, I like don't know how to put it. I think we go through periods of, you know, being not on the same wavelength, like we're in different periods of our lives, and that's when we can kind of,

but heads a little bit, but even then, I mean, like, we got into, like, nothing, like, something that was so didn't need to be an argument, and like, literally, we sat there and I said, can we go and make music now? And music, yeah, and we went downstairs, and we made a song,

and it was, we were laughing and giggling and talking. And I was just thinking that day, I was like,

it is truly amazing that we can do that.

And it's amazing that, you know, and I know all siblings have different relationships, and that's a rare thing to have with a person, especially, like, a sibling, and you work with them. But it is kind of the blessing of working with your sibling, because you can't, you can't break up with your sibling.

It's not like, well, yes, some people. This is true, but I guess I mean, like, the arguing, it's like, you can say something so hurtful. Yes, especially like a little sister. I can say something insane to Vinny as you have.

And I have, and also, it's like, sometimes I bet the challenges to make sure you're not, you're like, not to rough on each other. Yep, for sure, because the more familiar you are, the more you've got in your life.

Thinking about amazing seeing in your doctor.

“In a kitchen where Vinny says, like, I think we should just finish the record,”

and you're like, the record is bad. This sucks. And your mom is like, four, right. I think you can learn from each other. You know, like, perfect mom, like, I think Vinny has something

that you need, but I don't bless her heart. Yeah, you dad, it's like, I'm going to go outside and fix the color. And you're all representing the faces in like a creative process. Yeah, you're all representing that, and you're all those things at once. And you would probably not say to someone you were working with, like,

that was bad that sucks. Yeah, it's not good, it's lame. Yeah, or like, anything that I say to him. It's like we can, we can literally jump all of the, like, yes, politeness, you know, we don't have to be like saving feelings.

Yeah, you know, I can literally just be like, god, that's stupid. You know, that's so it's just stupid idea. And he's like, well, fuck you, you know, it's like, it's, it, it just works like that. Yeah, and I feel like, I'm also just, you know, in another life, the life that we didn't have this happen to us, I would have maybe gone to college

and moved away or moved away in general, and what would, you know, I, I talked to friends or see online like people talking about how like, they don't live with their sibling anymore. And they don't get to see their sibling. And it's like, you live completely different lives. And I just feel like so grateful that I get to live a life where my brother is a constant

part of my life and that I don't have to live in a different state than my brother.

And that I don't have to like never see him and not have, you know, and I think that's usually

how it goes. And I just, I feel really lucky in that way. And like you said, his, he is like just aside from how talented and incredible he is and how he is like my best friend,

that he has looked out for me. He's a big time protector. So he wanted me to ask you a question.

He did. Yeah. And I feel like it's a, it's a, it's a fake, it feel like it's a funny story.

“It's a fake question. Okay. Um, what is tomato bisque soup? And how did you lose it?”

Wow. Wow. It's okay. Wow. Well, you know, all right. I'll tell you. I'll tell you exactly the answer. I, okay. How far do I go? Well, I actually haven't talked about this. I was thinking literally last night how I haven't nobody knows this is happening. It's very, it's very sweet. It's an innocent sweet thing for my birthday. I was given a little hamster. And she was a rescue from a house,

a hoarder house that had 60 loose free roaming hamsters everywhere being just in shit and like

in stuff. And she was rescued and she is so cute. What's she, her name is tomato bisque soup. And she's a little dwarf hamster. She's literally this fucking big. She is so goddamn cute.

“You wouldn't even believe it. But she's used to be in on street. She's used to be around you stepping”

on the street. She's swimming. She's free. She's wild, not wild, but like living her life in her condition of tough. Yeah. Sorry. I, I got her on my birthday, which was December 18th and I got her, like, I must've spent, you know, lots of money on like random shit, like little, like, like, I got her like little, because they have to have enrichment. So they have a wheel and they have to have different levels. So like, and I do it all myself. I'll show you. I will literally show you her house

is in, she lives in a fucking mansion. She, her house is so big. It's like literally like her house is like this big and this tall. Nice. And it's wooden. But so there's these little vents and the top corners of the house that are like this big. They're whole, so they can breathe. And I know that hamsters can get through those holes. It was a hamster house. Yeah. It was a hamster. You'd think that they would know that. Well, and also it's a pie, right? So they can't even, they can't climb up the wall. The,

but we have that to me. So tomatoes wild little freaky self. So it's like a month since I've had her, I get home from a trip. I went on a little trip and I had, I had put her seeds out and they're also nocturnal. So you usually don't see them in the day. And also they like to burrow. So like sometimes

I wouldn't see her. She's like barely, you can't really, you're not always seeing her when she is there.

Yeah. But she loves pumpkin seeds. So much. Like little pupitas. She loves them so much. And so I know that she's very happy if I put her pumpkin seeds and she immediately comes out. So before I had left, I put out some pumpkin seeds. And then I came home many days later and the pumpkin seeds were still there. God damn it. And I thought, you know what? And you pulled back a little cover and she had made a little dummy like, like, welcome to have a dress. She had a skirt. She had a skirt. She was like,

in the shot. She had a skirt. She had a skirt. She had a skirt. She had a skirt. She had a skirt. She had a skirt. She had a little bit of the side. She had a little bit of the side. I pictured, I just thought, like, oh, she's, she's dug herself into a cute little tunnel. She's sleeping. Four days have gone by since the last sight of her. So anyway, one day, oh, no. I'm like, you know what? I'm going to look for her because I want to make sure she's there. Of course. Obviously she's there, but I'm just going to

make sure. So I fucking go where I keep her house is in my closet on this shelf that's like five feet up. And I take all of her houses out of her house. I take all of, there's these things called sprays, which are these like long plants that they're in Richmond. And I take them all out and there's no sign of her. And I'm like, oh, what's going on? But I'm like, okay, but I still have to like dig through the bedding because she likes to crawl into the paper bedding. And I'm like

“starting to like worry a little, but then I'm like, am I going to find a little, a little body?”

And that was really freaking me out. Yeah. But I'm like, I'm not. It's fine. She's going to be in here. She's sleeping was tough. And so I take everything out. It's only her bedding left over. And I'm

one of these like, yeah, fingers through everything. I take everything out and she's nowhere to be seen.

“No, gone. The bitch has literally vanished into the air. And your VCR was missing.”

Right. The night that she was gone. I'm like texting on my friends like she's gone. RIP lover so much. What the hell? One month of a having a hamster and I already lost her into the walls. Like what the hell? Yeah. And she could have gone anywhere. Like truly anywhere. And I'm like, just as a Hail Mary, there's no way this is going to work. But I'm going to put her wheel on the ground. And I'm going to put her favorite seeds on the wheel. And I'm going to put her little mushroom house

on the ground. And I'm going to put her bedding in it. And I'm going to put her seeds in it and like maybe a miracle will happen and she'll appear. She'll reappear. Of course, I don't think this is actually going to happen. I go to sleep. Oh my god. I'm like looking at videos of her. And we wake up. We're talking about like, this is so sad. How did we do this? How could we do this? We failed her. We are horrible people. We lay in bed for an hour talking about I can't believe we've done this. And I'm like,

I'm going to go get dressed. Also like, let's go check on the sad little seeds we left out. Right. I go into my closet. The fucking seeds are gone. Gone. Dang. And her bedding has been pulled out of her house that she and that's I know that that's like a thing she does. She pulls out her bedding.

“Her seeds are gone. And I'm like, do it. Her seeds are fucking gone. Is she here?”

And I take some more seeds and I go, tomato. And I have a voice that she always comes out to. I go,

tomato is curious me. As curious me, tomato. And I hear no. In the fucking wall, it has been four days that she has been missing. I hear this. And I take the seeds and I like, lay them all. And I literally keep hearing like, she fucking crawls out of the wall. I have literally chills. She crawls out of the wall and crawls right into my hand. And she's eating the seeds. And she's like, well, that's like, what a bitch. Hey, she's wrangling a little

snake. I'm living in the walls of the closet for four days with no food and no water waiting for me to fucking look for her and find her. Can you believe the story? She's incredible.

She's amazing. Since then, I have gotten her a much bigger house with very thin. I don't think

she's been thin. I don't think she needs to be congratulated for escape. This is my supporting bad behavior. I know. You're right. She's a bigger house. She got a bigger house. I felt bad. I felt like, oh, no, did you don't like living in the small house? Now she's so happy.

“She literally like, her life is amazing. Really quick. And then I'll show you how this is a picture of it.”

Forever. Look at her house. Her house is insane. I just cleaned it up. Yes, that's my worst nightmare is that I get a rodent and it goes into the walls. So, okay, here is tomato's giant mansion house. So, if you look here, so she has different levels. She has her little tunnel where she has a lot going on. Listeners, it's like there's a, there's like, it looks like a aquarium, but with like outdoor seating. Oh, there's almost like a fire pit. Like if she had guests over. Yeah, because I give her a different bedding,

so it should be different texture. It's really nice. It's really nice texture. Right? Yeah. And then it looks like a beautiful L.A. She's spa. I mean, it is. Here's her on her wheel. Wait, oh, she's really cute. She's so freaking cute. And then here's me showing, oh, I bumped my knee. You could actually hear it happening. She's a really, really fast. Look at how nice.

And then here's the news. This is what happened to my knee. So there is Denise's answer. That's finished this question. I'm glad he asked. There we go. There we go. We're at a little story. And scene. And scene. Okay, we're going to finish with my knee round. Finish. Wait, but by the way, so much to talk. There's so much to talk about. Okay, but we're going to finish me lining round. Okay, go. Here we go. Just quick thoughts on these things.

Transulous. Yes. Yes. Are you afraid of spiders? I mean, I'm not afraid, but you know, but it's a spider. It's okay. You know, I'm down, but I don't want to touch it or anything. But I'm glad you like it. I'm a horses. We talked about love. Survivor. The show's survivor. Yes. The show's survivor. It's my own really. I love shots.

I wrote a letter to the contestants being like, here's your secret idol. If you use this idol, you can, you know, it's like, you know, have you seen survivor? You know, they have what you love about survivor. I love imagining that I could one day do it. Yeah. But I get I'm so bad with like the math part of the problems or the things that I couldn't do. Yeah. Like I could do this. I feel that I could do the physical stuff. I mean, I say that, which sure. I know, because it's so hard. Yeah.

But like when they have to like solve the, you know, I wouldn't be good at like, when people like I have a little bit of like defiance disorder. So if they were like,

“you have to do, I'd be like, I don't have to do anything. I quit. I quit. Yeah. I have the same”

flow. I quit. Yeah. I have the same. Okay. Music, you're listening to you right now. Honestly, I've been listening to Kate Bush this week. It's me. Yeah, dude. Well, that just, I just love this

spooky whimsical of it all. Since she, she's amazing. I like didn't even know she was so amazing.

I mean, army dreamers is so good. It's so good. Oh, my god. I've heard the Peter Gabriel, the song she sang with Peter Gabriel. Don't give up. No, how does it go? I'm sure you've heard it. You love me. Do you think they were fucking? I know so. God, I hope so. I just feel like this shoot where they're in a hug of the entire song. God, I hope so. That's amazing. It isn't so good. Wow. Yeah. I don't, I'm not, I don't, did not know Kate Bush was like that. Yeah. Amazing.

Um, okay. We're going to finish with two things. You have a big movie coming out and it is forgot that's like a concert. It's a concert. It's a movie about your, it's a, it's a concert movie. Yes. So it's a, it's a concert film mainly. There's like some behind the scenes dock type stuff, but specifically it is very cool. The show that hit my heart and soft tour, filmed in 3D, which is fucking awesome and really, really tour, really cool. Thank you. It's

I agree. I loved it so much. I just, I, I, I had the best time and be, it's like the best show I've ever made and good. I just, I felt, I felt proud to call that my show every single night that I did it. Yeah. And I, I mourn the end of that tour and I'm excited for the next tour, but I am also like so, so grateful that we have it filmed forever. Like I will be able to watch it whenever I want. Yeah. Forever in 3D, feel like I'm there. Yeah. And same goes for everyone who watches it. You know,

people who didn't get to go to the show and then they get to experience it or who did and want to re-experience it anyway. Exciting. And what I love about that is I, like I like to watch things in my home early in the afternoon or like, I don't like to, like, show us what you like. I don't like to go out. Oh, I see what you're saying. Shows are late. Shows are super late and like loud and then you stand for so long. Yeah. And I hate standing. I hate, I can't see anything. I hate, I just hate standing.

I hate the feeling of it. I love to sit. Would you ever consider doing an afternoon show

for people who like to do it? That's so funny. I've like never even, it's just such a

“thing you do. I don't even thought about it. That's what's great about like music festivals, honestly.”

And that's like kind of what I miss about being on the earlier side of the lineup because you get to get, you get to go out there and the sun is out. Yeah. And like it's beautiful and then you get a night after. It's pretty nice. Yeah. Maybe I'll do that someday. A little matinee. Oh my god, a matinee. What's your bedtime? Well, last night I had a fantastic sleep, not to brag. But um, what did you get? What's your sleep? I'm very worried about your sleep. Why? You're a young person. It's true.

I used to be terrible with sleep. I never slept. For some reason, since last summer, when I was in Europe for tour, I had three different tour legs where I was gone and then home in Europe each time. But so because of that, I was like really getting, becoming an early bed time and so since then, I kind of kind of kept that up. Like I try to go to sleep before midnight every night, which used to be, love this for you. Couldn't you, I used to go to sleep like earliest 2 a.m. usually 3, maybe 4.

“Yeah. And now I'm like, if I can get in bed at like 10. Oh, I mean, I believe that I got success.”

It's amazing. Yeah. And also, sometimes like the, like happiness is just one sleep away.

Like it just really is sometimes like the thing, the reason why my day is so bad. I love because I haven't slept 100%. I love it. Honestly, like, when I got this ordering and this is not sponsored,

Now, I really need my sleep. Let me as we finish up because I know we've kept you, but

“don't grow. I don't have anything else to do. Same. Wait, I was just going to say, okay,”

we got to wrap this up. Oh, I, oh, I, I feel like when I'm at a concert and people are talking really loud, I will turn around and say, please shut up. Yeah. Please shut the fuck up. We're just like, be quiet. You know, like that, I, I will do 100%. Yeah, or a movie. Um, not so much. I'd be talking I'd be talking, I know. Billy, I have to comment. I just, that is your gen. I, yeah, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I just, I, I just, I like, this is done to me so much. So many times. I have someone who I love dearly gone, because I can't show the fuck up. Um, also, like, I'm a

reactor like I rule re, I react audibly. Let me remind people like I, I realize as I'm talking to you about this that like you have threats. Well, I was just going to say that. I was just going to say that. I do have threats and, you know, I have vocal texts, but luckily for me and for everyone else, I, um, they're mostly just noises and I can keep them pretty quiet. Yeah. Um, I, I go through phases of words becoming ticks, but, you know, there's a thing called suppressing if you ever heard of it. And,

you know, when I'm in an interview, I, I'm doing everything in my power to suppress all of my ticks constantly. Yeah. And as soon as I leave the room, I have to let them all out with whatever,

“you know, you have helped me a lot. Honestly, I'm realizing now as I'm talking to you and getting”

to know you're meeting you, you've helped me a lot with my own intrusive thoughts, which I didn't really know, you know, I didn't have that term growing up. I didn't quite know what it was. Right. And you're, you having them in real time or talking about them, or even just like softly joking about them, like the getting all the way full circle back to the idea of what we talked to the very beginning, which is like coping mechanism and yourself soothing on that stuff in the way that

you like, like, like that you feel like comedy is important for life. Like we are living to laugh, it felt that way when I would have a thought that I just thought like, this is a really bad thought.

Yep. This is a really bad end. This is, this one I'm going to really never, ever, ever share,

right? Like, ooh, this is, and it, and it took me so long. I might have don't left to realize those were intrusive thoughts of what they were. And you really, really helped me with that. You're like, yeah, I would thank you for that. You really did. You were an enough item. I just, I know it so well. God, now imagine those intrusive thoughts, but your

“mouth has to say them out loud, right? And that is Tourette syndrome, right? And I think what's”

troubling about the way that people do not understand what Tourette is. Like when people are like, you know, if I like start having like a tick attack or whatever, like a lot of ticks in a row, and people are like, are you okay? You know, it's like, yeah, this is very much normal, like, you know, and also like, well, I didn't notice. It's like, if you didn't see me tick today, you're not looking at my knees, which are taking constantly under this table and my,

you know, elbows that are like, I'm clenching my arms the entire time. And I'm doing this for the entire, and it's because I'm currently, because I'm on camera, and I'm having a conversation, and I'm trying not to be distracting. I'm really doing this whole time as fun as I'm having, much fun as I'm having. I'm doing everything I can to suppress every single tick that's visible from the top of my head to about right here, you know, and that's like how we as people with Tourette's

pretty much spend our days. And some people don't even have the privilege of getting to suppress them at all in any way, and the, the, not understanding of that is really frustrating as a person with Tourette's. A bit. Thank you for, thank you for educating me and us for real. Because it is, it's like, just yet another example of what you do so generously. Yeah. You're really, you're really generous, person Billy. You, you really, like, share, thank you. You share what you know, what you're feeling,

or what you're going through, you share it with us, like we're very lucky that we get to hear things from you and hear. And I'm really happy you dip in. I'm such a fan of yours, and I am so beyond excited to be in this room with you and do this podcast. I love you so much. Thank you for having me. Don't be aware, but I need to get yourself a number. Thank you, Billy, for coming. I love you. I love you so much. Thank you for having me. Thank you, good hey. Thank you, Billy. I wish

what an amazing person and what a great conversation. Love talking to you. And for this polar

make things awkward, but I just want to remind everybody of the perfect lyrics that are in

“Billy's songs specifically happier than ever, okay? Because I just want to remind it. Okay.”

I don't relate to you. I don't relate to you now, because I'd never treat me this shitty.

You made me hate this city, and I don't talk shit about you on the internet. Never told anyone

“anything bad, because that shit's embarrassing. You were my everything, and all that you did was make”

me fucking sad. So don't waste the time I don't have, and don't try to make me feel bad.

Okay. Okay. This is the end of it. We got to go.

“Genius. Thanks for listening everybody. Billy or genius. Okay, bye.”

You've been listening to Good Hang. The executive producers for this show are Bill Simmons, Jenna Weiss Berman, and me, Amy Polar. The show is produced by The Wringer and Paper Cite. For The Wringer, production by Jack Wilson, Kat Spelaine, Kaya McMillan, and Alaya's Aniris. For Paper Cite, production by Sam Green, Joel Lovell, and Jenna Weiss Berman. Original music by Amy Miles.