Brandi Carlile

We have the talented, funny, warm, incredible Brandy Carlisle joining us today.

“And boy, I feel like we became really good friends in this interview and we talked about”

so many good things. We talked about her music and meeting her heroes. We talked about hair and the changing hairstyles and how that defines you. We talked about her new record returning to myself and how great it is and we may have even harmonized a little bit so get ready for that.

But before we start this interview, we always talk to a person who knows our guest and

wants to give me a question to ask this guest and boy, we have a star in her own right and incredibly talented singer, a songwriter musician from Texas. Marin Morris, Marin, you know from all over hits from the high women which she performed with Brandy and she's just incredible and we are so thrilled to have Marin with us today. So, Marin, hi, can you hear me?

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on EPA estimated combined fuel economy and a full tank of fuel, actual mileage and range may vary. So, I'm playing a show in Manchester tonight, so I'm backstage. You're in pre show mode, but I got ready a little bit earlier today to look okay for you. And yeah, it's kind of nice weather today, breezy, good walking weather, but yeah, I'm excited.

We're talking to Brandy Carlisle today, really appreciate that you're here to talk to us about her, because the work that you did together with the high women was so special.

When did you first meet Brandy?

Well, thank you so much. I remember when I met you at that Beatles event, you had mentioned that you loved the high women album, which was the record.

“I think a few months later, I was on the tonight show, talking to Jimmy, and he brought”

up the picture of us, and I was so embarrassed, because I was crying when I met you. I already had like three glasses of wine, oh my gosh, you're so sweet to me that night. Of course, there's such a pleasure to meet you, I love your music. Thank you. But yeah, the high women record, that was like pretty early in my relationship with Brandy.

I think we just clicked, and we met randomly at this event in Nashville where I was receiving an award for something, but they were also doing a bunch of duets that night, and so I remember Brandy and I both sang Carol King, also over at the Franklin's, he made me feel like a natural woman, and having been a Brandy fan since probably junior high, being able to sing that song with her and just go toe to toe, vocally was so fun.

I think it was probably a few months later, Brandy called me, and I get it was like the day or the week my second record was coming out, and I was at 30 Rock, I was at the tonight show, randomly, and just in the dressing room about to go on, she calls, and she's like,

“I'm putting this girl group together, and I want to know if you want to be a part of it,”

it's going to be me, Amanda Shires, and Natalie Hembie, and I was like, uh-huh, and she goes, it's kind of like a tribute or extension of the highway men, like the Willie Nelson, Chris Kristofferson, Johnny Cash, Whalen, Johnnings, record, and I was like, oh, I'm in, I didn't

really have any more questions, I didn't have any questions, amazing, and it was just,

yeah, like, a sort of microcosm event, because we did that one album, we did a few shows, we did like Newport Folk Festival, brought out Daly Parton, which was insane, but a lot of these really major career moments, like that eye treasurer that are my crown jewels are the high one in experiences, what was it like singing with Daly Parton, you need to

great together, she just moved from the long list of the short list, Daly, anytime,

“anywhere, she's it just a legend and a real hero of mine, what was she like to be around?”

I think very few people, I'll include you in this, um, exceed your expectations, when you have such a, a surveyed like history, watching someone are being inspired by someone from afar, so yeah, just exceeded expectations is, uh, really punctual, I love that, of course she is, because I was such a precedence on being, on time, oh wow, of course Daly is very punctual, actually she was early, of course she was, can you imagine running

late for Daly Parton, that is a stress dream, like can you imagine just like in traffic, can you know Daly is waiting for you? Yeah, just disappointing her, I just, I'd probably quit music, um, totally, just say you just call ahead and you say, I'm sorry, I'm not going to make it in time, I quit, I quit music, Daly, but no, she's so lovely and she's obviously just like hysterical dressed to the nines, I mean, I assume she's maybe doing her own glam

because this is like sort of a not filmed day in the studio, but she's putting us all the shame because she's in full hair and makeup, like eight inch heels, we're both quite short, um, so we bonded over that. How tall are you? I'm 51. Oh, how tall are you? I'm a towering five two. Oh, what's it like down there? Also, this is something that I hope that I take away when I hopefully do this decades and decades on is that she sings every one of her

songs and the original key of the year came out, dang. A lot of people have to, as they age, and sometimes women, um, our voices mature at like, I think they say like 35 or 36, I think about that with songwriters that are people starting to be aware and their 30s and 40s that they need to sing and lower keys. Yeah, I mean, I've found out the hard way, like, yeah, when you

“go out, yeah, and then you have to do it live, and like, I made this way too high, yeah, but, uh,”

yeah, just incredible singer, um, Brandy, like really made it happen. I feel like she's,

she's reached out to these icons over the years and brought them into a space where we can fall in love with them over and over again. That's what I want to talk to her about. She is really good at exactly that drawing out the heroes of hers and of ours and kind of bringing them in and making them feel comfortable. Like, she's, she feels like she's, you said it yourself. She's like a doer. She makes things happen. She's a producer. She's also a good host. You know, she's just making

people feel comfortable, but also, which I really relate to, just quietly making them do things without them knowing that they're being pushed. Like, she's a pusher to get things done, but everyone feels good when that's happening. That's a rare combination. I think that being able to go witness something really communal and almost like church, but for people that want to come together in a way that feels inclusive and safe for all. And, um, yeah, just connect through

these magic vibrations. I think, you know, just, that's, that's her, her rare gift. That's so cool. Okay, so do you have a question that you think I should ask Brandy today? I'm just wondering as she watches her girls get older and she's making music and touring and collaborating and achieving these incredible dreams. She has, um, yeah, the integration of family throughout that.

I feel like has always been really at the forefront for her and Katherine. And I'm just wondering,

like, as her girls get older because my son's now five and a half, um, like, what is it like when they go to shows now? Like, are they excited to be there? Are they proud? Are they over it? It's a great question. And actually, it's a question, you know, it speaks to the bigger idea of like being a working mother. How does your kid want you to, uh, you know, divide your time and, and how do you divide your time and how do you make your kid feel really seen and, um, and also

how do you pursue your dream and not and be like a good model for what it looks like to be a woman who loves to, you know, loves what she's doing. So it's, yeah, it's, it's a question I think working

“women are always asking each other. And I think that's what women do so well is they say,”

how do you do it? And what are you doing it? How did it change? And what did, how did five look

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“because you love doing SNL. I love it. Yeah. And you love the time pressure. Yes, I think watching”

all those people thrive under pressure is just, it's a really unique thing. You don't see that anywhere else. I know. And we were saying that like the idea of like a minute or two on SNL time feels like years. Because I've done live things where they get you ready and they put you at the side of the stage and you're like, I know I have two more awards before my award. Or we're just like 40 minutes, 40 minutes. Okay, you're out of your seat. And SNL, you'd be having dinner a town. Exactly. They don't even

come in the tier dressing room or give you a warning at two minutes. That's like, I love Brandy. Hi, hi. I love you so much. Oh my god, same. I love you. It was very, very excited to talk to you today.

And there's a million things I want to talk to you about today. But I want to stay in the

present for a second because I'm loving your new record. Thank you. I love all of your music. But this one feels very, very, it feels like not to imprint myself on it. But it really feels like it's speaking to me. And you know, it's returning to myself. It came out in October. As we start today, I want to ask you about the potion pull between being like introvert, extrovert, your potion pull between being a connector and wanting community and like needing

time to yourself. And I was kind of joking with someone and I was saying, what I love about Brandy's

“new record is, it feels like it's like, can I five minutes to myself, please? That's what it feels like.”

That's in the subtext and not very many people have seen that about it that you have. And I, you know, when I, when I've been learning about you, it's like, you know, you have definite, benevolent, natural captain energy and you like to bring people together and you, you know, you live with a lot of people. You have a lot of people around you live a life that's very big and has a lot of people around. And I love that a lot of the songs on this record are about

can I just like figure out what I, what I actually want like who am I in real time and when I'm alone. Is the music about that? Is, is a record about what is it like to be alone? Well, it's definitely about who am I when I am alone. Who are you when you're in real time? Yeah, well, I have sort of yet to figure that out. Same. And really, yeah, is it because you prefer the company

“of other people and then don't take the time? Yes, I, yeah. Yeah, that's a thing. So I don't know.”

Yeah. And I've got to an age now where I've learned that that sort of scene is maybe uninvolved in some ways. And I got kind of self-conscious about it within the last year or two. And what, oh, am I, is, do I have a made up mind in my bit uninvolved that I haven't learned who I am when I'm alone? That's so have you ever thought about doing a silent retreat? I have thought about it. Does it scare you? It just really turns me off like I just find that

appalling. Do you? It's like, why is eight days of no talking? Oh, I don't waste the time.

And I'm doing a podcast that you can tell I love talking. But yeah, it's like, okay. And I'm always fascinated

by people who are silent in general. I'm always fascinated by people who stay still. I do find you have a stillness. You're not a, but again, I'm just getting to know you, but but I, I don't feel like you have a hectic energy. No, I don't think I do. And in terms of other than just committing to a lot of things all the time. Yes. And that one, my, so my wife would tell you that I am, I am chaotic in that way. Yeah. But like not to bring up a trim carpentry right away, but

yesterday, I had the day off. Have you heard about, we've been talking about trim carpentry. Well, this episode. Yes. Kate McKinnon. Yes. Big fan of trim carpentry. Yes, she spoke to you about trim carpentry. Yeah. And, and then I heard that you are also a fan of trim carpentry, but are intimidated by working with what big time because Nick Offerman, yeah, friend of the pod, friend of mine,

also incredible woodworker. I'm sure he's into trim carpentry. Sure. That you would be that just

the reason I was going to. I had the day off yesterday. And I just spent six hours colking window

trim, just trim carpentry for just six hours. All I was doing was colking just filling in gaps with like a bronze colored calk and nail holes and kind of perfecting the appearance of the carpentry. And I was doing it with this guy that I used to plan a bandwidth when I was a teenager. And he's like, what I guess he's one of my best friends. We only see each other once every few years. But when we do, we just get together and don't talk. Wow. That's nice. There's like a bag of

freedoms involved. There's like a bad radio station. And there's just some curses of it, you know, occasionally when our steak is made. And I wouldn't have done that day. That's not how I would have

spent the day if I had had the option to do it alone. I wanted to spend the day with him not talking.

“Yeah. And so that's how I do my time with other people. I'd rather be together. But that doesn't”

mean that I want to like lay myself down across the puddle like a jacket to spend time with you. We may not talk. You know, your music reminds me of this feeling. And the record does too, which is that feeling when you're in another room. And you can hear people talking. Like there's a part of that feeling. Because I like the part, I want the part, I want people around. But I want to not be talking. When's your birthday? September 16th. I wonder if that's characteristic

of yours. I wonder. Why are you what's your sign? I'm a Gemini. June 1st. Okay. It's a very outward person. I can't understand Gemini's daily. Yeah. That look. You just can't get it out. Like, what are we getting? Yeah. I know. What are we getting? What's the real deal, Gemini? Twin City. Yeah. I know. And then I don't know. You tell me. Did you feel like when you were

“kid? I mean, you have eldest daughter energy. Mm-hmm. You are like I said, you're, you're a”

doer. You like to get things done. And you kind of quietly motivate people in ways that they don't realize they're being pushed. Stop it. Game recognized game. Game recognized game. But okay, you grew up in the middle of nowhere. Yeah. Was it quiet? Where you were? And were you alone a lot? It was chaotic. Okay. And I still live in the middle of nowhere. But it was chaotic. You know? Yeah. moved all the time, lived in tiny places, a lot of times people lived with us. Lots of friends

over, lots of jam sessions, just lots of chaos all the time. I'm predictable environments that and I really thrive in those. And I still have this like, what was your childhood like? Well, suburban in many ways, but small house and everyone very kind of on top of each other. Yeah. And we were kind of the house where people would come through. Mm-hmm. So it's nice that way because people would come over, but busy house. Yeah. And I felt like, you know, I wanted to do a

lot of hiding, like a lot of like going into the woods and going, like, you know, getting my bike and just like balancing quiet time and busy time. But a lively house full of a lot of love. Yeah. I just realized my house like when we were just just driving her, my house felt like Saturday night life. No way people moving giant pieces of furniture. Everything to the last

second tons of pressure. Anything could change. Nothing is guaranteed. And have a lot of age

in the house. I mean, probably not entirely. I would think, I mean, I would think it's like everyone, yeah, would be would fall into that way to have the last minute. So that explains why I love being there so much because I'm like, why am I just thriving in this environment? You're just crushing

“like right before the deadline. Yeah, just loving it. But that helps with performing, I think, because”

you just, you know, you can only have like so much time in the day where, I mean, some people spend their whole day getting ready for their performance. But you just have to kind of create like a countdown for the performance. You can't stay performance ready all day. No. I mean, depending on like what your zone is like, what kind of performer you are to the element of like risk involved gets really, um, can get really heavy. Like, yeah, I know exactly how to sing.

Like, so if I'm just almost doesn't matter how high the stakes are like, if I'm going to sing, I'm going to be okay. But I have this theory that that, and I mean, I could be wrong. And this is not to downgrade anybody else's, um, pros. But I think that like musicians are obsessed with comedians. Have you not noticed that? Well, here's my theory. Okay, tell me, every comedian wishes they were a musician and every musician thinks they're a comedian.

But I'm glad they think that. But no, we get along. We get along. Yeah. Because I think we really

some of my favorite memories of SNL is watching musicians. Like, I just am in awe of what musicians get to do. But what do you think? Why do you think we kind of love each other? I think that, you know, musicians kind of worship comedians because of the risk that they're taking, like we know what it means to do our thing and then have that die to know reaction. And, and then I think comedians just just think they're at the top of the pyramid.

And they don't wish they were anything else. Because they're so indulgent. Well, and they also

“are like the cockiness to your point. You have to be cocky to get out there in bomb. Or you're”

really in trouble. I mean, what do you do? It's like, it's like, like I said, I can sing a matter of how high the stakes are. And if I'm going to play 12 songs, it's not the 12 songs. I'm afraid of it's the 15 seconds in between the songs of what I have to say in my mind. That's what I'm afraid of. Okay, that's that's why I'm not a musician because I would have no problem. But the singing. Yeah. So if we like recreate it and go to like if we were a band together,

your banter and my singing would be unstoppable. You know, this is early in the interview, but I want to talk to you about your heroes. But can we just talk about the end of

the Go Girls for a second? All day long. Okay. First of all, the fact that one of them was called Amy was already like a dream Emily and Amy. They you just you've

heard them like when you were like a teenager, right? 1415. And you said that they really

“motivated you to pick up a guitar. I mean, you were singing 100%. Yeah. What was it about them when you heard them?”

Because I have a theory about what it was for me like what I why I was and it's the same way I feel about your music. So go ahead, you first. Well, I heard their voices first in that film Philadelphia. They were covering that Rodster. I can tell by your eyes that you've probably been crying forever. And I was like, what is that tone? Like they don't sound male or female. They don't sound like they're singin' to the same people that everyone else is singin' to. There was just something galvanizing about

their voices and the way they were making music that just like pulled me out of myself as like a 14-year-old made me curious about who they were. It wasn't even one of their songs. And that's when my friend from school of Brianna Graycoat, loaned me her Swampafilia CD. And I was like, what is this?

Listen to these harmonies. Like, who's singing when it's staggered? It's amazing. You know,

and the drums really, I was just, I became so obsessed with their musical complexity and harmonies that I just became devoted and it disciple. I went to everything they ever did. I sat in the line all day. Like, from morning till night is a major fan. Still a major fan. What drew to you to them? I guess sometimes it feels like there's different artists. There's artists that are in their own simulation. They're own kind of world and you get to come in and peek. But they're in their worlds.

Like, like, it has a style of dress and style of speak and like a presence of a culture around that. And you can visit their world and you get to just peek in. And then there are artists. And I can see one of them who are relaxed and honestly confident in their talent just like they go girls. And they say, come in. Come over. Like, come over here. And they felt that way. We wanted to sing everyone of their songs. I knew their lyrics. I felt like I sounded like

them, which everybody who sings the integral girls think they sound good. They don't. We don't. But it's the same with your music. Like, when I sing along your music, I'm like, I think I'm really good. Because there's a spirit behind it that isn't that's inclusive and that doesn't like shut the door. Yeah. It's really, it's hard to explain. But you know what I'm talking about? Like, we're talking about. They're so unaffected. They sound like grown-ass women.

They always have. So like when they open their mouths to sing, their actual voice comes out.

They're not trying to please men or certain kind of women. They're not trying to sound like anybody else on the radio. There was just something so human about even what the clothes they were in the way that they presented themselves. And you're right. That does invite you in. And also the integral girls, they come to you. Like, they're famous for like touring the small towns and the

“sheds in the community. Do you know me and Dratch played them on SNL? Yeah. I do remember that.”

You're right. You're a branch. One scene. It never, it never came back. I don't know. And it was the Lance Armstrong comedians, Lance, the comedians, Lance Armstrong was the host. And Neil Young was a musical guest. And we had Neil come in to the integral girls scene. And we just were like, I think we were just pretending we were doing a talk show probably. Like,

I think she's probably only got eight or nine right now. But I feel like we'll move off the end of a girl's. But I just have to say that it feels like as an alto, as a surprising alto. Because you would think, I don't know. I think my voice, I think my voice is lower than it is, but I think it pitches quite high. But switching to your point, switching back and forth. Like,

“wanting to decide if you want to sing Emily's part or Amy's part. Mm-hmm.”

Can we sing? Can we sing? Can we sing? Okay. Let's sing close, sort of line. Oh, girl. Sorry. Let me get my ear. We could not only go do it. Could we do closer to find? We could do a deep cut. We could do anything you want. Okay. Here we go. I'll try to do Amy's part. Okay. You start. From, I went to the doctor. Here we go. On three. One, two. What do you want? Here we go. One, two. What do you want? Here we go. I don't know.

I went to the doctor. I went to the mountain. I should be lower. Yeah. Okay. I think you're, I went. That's you. I went to the doctor. Okay. Yeah. Two, three, four. I went to the doctor. I went to the mountains. I love to travel a little bit. Just a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Fucking hell. You're right there, though. Yeah. Okay. Let's go again. Yeah. Two, three, four. I went to the doctor. I went to the mountains. I love to the children. I drink from the

mountains. Girl, you got it. Look at how good you are. Ready, make me feel so good. If I had a guitar, we would do nothing else. We covered in the goggles for the next summer. Totally sweating. Yeah. I'm so

“sweating. That was so exciting. Who was the first person that told you you had a good voice?”

Because when someone says you have a good voice, like you remember it for a lifetime. No one's ever asked me that before. I think it was my grandma to Laura's or my mom. And then definitely me. I really felt like I had a good voice. Yeah. I got seven years old. It's fucking great. But I didn't. When I listened back to it now, I'm like, what is that? Oh, it's seven. Yeah.

Yeah. You know, but I actually got on stage for the first time as like an eight-year-old. I got

in a community theater show called The Northwest Grand Old Opera, where we re-enacted the Grand Old Opera. So cute. And you go on Wednesday night and you teach the opera band your song and then they'd get you out on Friday and Saturday. And I was like the only kid. And I did Tennessee flat top box by Rosanne Cash. And I just remember like the very first time. I did that. I walked out on stage. And I wasn't nervous. I had glasses on. And I can remember the lights and

my glasses and seeing the kind of silhouette of like 300 people. And being like, this is where I belong. This is the safest, most understood and loved place. I could, I could ever, I could ever be like,

this is my job now. And it just not never, it never went, that just stayed. Wow. And so the

audience told you that you could sing. Like in that moment, the audience was like, yes, we accept you here. You're great. And you knew it. So great. And the whole thing, they would come up to you at the end of the show and you'd sign their program and you'd sign your little autograph. But I just remember thinking, yeah, no, this is it. This is my job. Wow. That's awesome. I mean, that's a, that's a good example too of like feeling calm in stressful situations. I tend to get, well, like, you

I'm not so nervous when I'm doing something. Sometimes after it's done, I have like this discharge of nerves. Does that happen to me? I was reading an article in the Guardian that is, it was such a smart article and it made me feel so like stupid, but kind of proud to be stupid, where it basically says that like that what you're talking about is totally necessary in terms of performers. These like, it's such a unnatural thing to have your, your psychosynthetic nervous system to do what we do.

“That you have to lack an element of contextual intelligence to do it. Maybe, I like it. I like it.”

And they, they like it to like people that can do penalty kicks and like free throws is like, we have this thing where we don't think anything could go wrong. Totally. And I'm just, and I kind of associate in a way of like, whatever way, what's the worst it can happen. I guess I clearly. Yeah. And then if something does go wrong, so if you do miss the free throw or you do miss the penalty, what you do all the time, right? You don't think, well, of course, I did chances are I would.

It's a tiny ball, tiny net or would it, you just go, that was weird. That will never happen again.

It's so true. It is. I mean, like, uh, SNOW is a really good training ground for that

“life performance in general is really good because you have a mistake. Do you, does this happen to you?”

When there's a tiny mistake, not a terrible, like you don't want something bad. But when there's a tiny mistake, do you get a little energized? Yeah, because you're like, I got to save it. Yeah, I can do one. I can't do two. Yeah, and it's a little bit exciting. Yeah, because two mistakes, no. But one is like kind of good. Do you remember a mistake that happened when you were performing? And you just, you know, I don't know, like a Mike went out or someone didn't come and

meet, get the, like, and you just had a moment of like pure excitement in that, like the tingle of that. Yeah, but I happen to so often there isn't like a notable one. There's a sky know that does guitar, so like, there's like guitar solo master. He's a dude that like, I've toured with just because if I can have this happen twice in a show, it's like, takes the show over the top.

So this dude and he will never admit this, but like he'll start out his guitar solo with, like, a

couple of like, maybe stocklicks or just like a couple of notes that are like, oh, those are tasteful.

“And then he'll make a mistake. And you, then it rallies everyone to his, to his support. Like, we”

rage to his side and we go, oh, no, he's, he might not have this. Oh, like so good. Oh, God. And then he looks a little frasal and the face has had a little bit and he kind of does the next lick and it's okay. And by the end of it, he's just shredding and you realize that there's no way you could ever make a mistake. But that mistake drawing everyone in, not just to listen to him, but to like, they, you want to support him. Yeah. And then his victory becomes your victory. So one mistake does that

in a performance or a song. Two mistakes is like, she's not prepared. It's so true. And you're absolutely the way you take in the mistake. Like, ha ha. Yeah.

I've always felt this about the way you perform and seeing you like the way you talk about yourself and

your music and your art and the way you look at like at the business of it all, it's supposed to be fun. And if you're relaxed, we're relaxed. Yeah. If you're having a good time, we're having a good time. Yeah. It's like if the bride has a good time with the wedding, it's a fun wedding, like period the end. But it's a hard lesson to learn, which is try to, I mean, it's telling people to relax is really hard. Yeah. It's true. You relax when you're about to perform. How do you like, how do you just,

“you just, it just comes natural. I'm always has. Well, you should drink a little bit. Sure.”

And if you drink a little bit and then you stop drinking a little bit before you go on stage, then it's like starting over from never having drank a little bit. So that sucked. Yeah. I don't drink anymore. It's like, I can't handle it. I mean, like it just, I just get to drunk too fast. I don't drink a lot of things really fast. Like, I'm like a camel. Yeah. Um, no, I know what you mean. Like, like, I just did a little bit. And suddenly you're like,

oh, I am not on my game. Yeah. I'm not a shark. Right. And then it's like the spiral afterwards. That's, you know, I can't deal with it. And then like pretend this spiral just happened in front of like, you know, a few thousand people. Oh, yeah. And then like whatever you say, like, if the like stand by that the next day. Right. So that's not right. I love we're back to the few minutes before between the song. Back to the few minutes. Yeah. Between the song. Right. Where you decide to get like

overtly political in like an ironic way or you just, you make the joke and, you know, you were in the pick of destiny. Yeah, Tunisia, Steve. Yeah. I'm not going to tell the story again. I just told the story on Stern. It'll tell you. Oh, you already told. I don't want any stern. I don't want any sloppy stirms. I don't want any stirms. I don't want any stirms. But you were in, but you got to tell when you, I, I love Howard. But when you, when you're on Stern,

you got to give Stern a good story. Like, you got to bring some meat to, I'm going to tell you the story. And you can let somebody out of you want to. But I just think that you appreciate it, because we're on the subject of drinking. And then getting on stage from front of people. Yeah. So I thought everyone had seen the pick of destiny. And I mean, I'm in a bit of fence, but like, not everyone has seen the pick of destiny. People, people, just as Jack Black and Kyle Gasses,

Tunisia, Steve. Yes. So Jack Black is in a band called Tunisia, Steve, which made a movie called the Pick of Destiny, which is a real cult cult cult. It's a cult classic, but it was my favorite movie. And I have memorized every line. And these guys, because this was like, how I, you know, I was in bands like this. They have to win the battle of bands, because they have to pay their

rent. But they're never going to win the battle of bands without the pick of destiny,

and just like a piece of the devil's horn or tone ale or something. Sure. So, and it's like, but to win the battle of bands, they have got to learn a couple of moves. And one of the moves is called the rock slide. The other moves called the cock push-up. Yeah, they used to be cock push-ups. They used to be cock push-ups. And so my audience didn't see the pick of destiny, but I believed everyone had seen the pick of destiny. Right. So I was in Las Vegas. I was on stage, and I was

having a few drinks, and I decided to jump off the drum riser. And my bandies, they knees just didn't

and I did like the rock back on the knees thing. And after the song I stood up, and this is the

this is why I'm afraid of the 15 seconds between the songs. And I said to the audience, I said, "Well, now that you've seen my rock slide." No, it's time for my cock push-ups. This is a good story for starring. And that didn't go over. Nobody knew. Nobody knew I for anyone was telling, you know, a couple thousand middle-aged lesbians, and she was going to do a cock push-ups.

“Do you have a... So I don't drink anymore. Are you done drinking?”

Are you done drinking? I'm done drinking and working. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's hard as we get older. Yeah, I just think it's like everything is harder, and everything is better. Yeah, like it's better. What's good about getting older? Well, I mean, what do I think is traveling with this migraine medication and my pocket at all times? Not a sponsor. Not a sponsor. No, it's unsponsored, but that's just there. Yeah. Okay, so I can't really drink.

Well, let me talk about these packages. How do you get into it? Do you rip it apart with your teeth? Is your desperate? Well, that's because you have your own teeth. Not everybody has their own teeth. So what were you asking? How is it to go? Okay, so anyway, yeah, it's getting older. Every year I get older, I love being older more than I love to being younger. Yeah, me too. I just love it. I like everything. I like the way that my

reverence is grown and sense of humor is changed. I choose myself in more situations. I like the way my face looks. I like, you know, I like it. Yeah, me too. I mean, I don't think enough people talk about it. They just don't talk about like, I mean, 50s have gotten 54. The 50s have been my

“favorite decade. Oh, by far, I think is going to happen. Well, by far, my 50s birthday was so”

fine. I mean, I know there's a lot that comes along with it. And especially for people who don't feel like they're in the place they should be, like that feels really hurt, can be really hurtful and stressful, or they're not with the person they should be with or they've had a lot that they've gone through. But I don't think enough people talk about how it just can get better and better and better. Well, just so we're so obsessed with youth, you know, and yeah, really, we really, and I love

young people too. Yeah, me too. I love, I love young people. And I'm always like, oh, enjoy that space be there. You know, and I have kids too. And I'm like, oh, my God, be a kid, be a kid. Yeah. But if I'm really honest, that wasn't my favorite part of my life. Yeah. You know, I'll walk to my front of a bus tomorrow. And I got to like my life last before my eyes. I think I probably see the last five years. Yes. Yeah. Very cool. Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of young people that love you and

“relate to you and feel seen by you and love your music. And you do this thing. I think for a lot of”

people where you bridge older artists and bring them back into this like present world.

And there's a, you know, a million people that you work with incredible artists. First of all,

what is it like to work with your heroes like Elton John, Donnie Mitchell? Like when you meet them, how do you manage that feeling of into girls? Where you are like, I was a young brandy, was a fan waiting outside. And now we're together. And I'm going to, you know, I'm kind of helping produce this thing. We're doing together. How do you, what's that feeling? Like, how do you do it? That's a really good question. And it's a sacred feeling. It's a really sacred

feeling because like, and I guess also the older I get and the more young people do come up to me and say things to me that I remember saying to my heroes, it like, I'm, I'm that kind of fan, like I'm a weight outside your door bus kind of fan. So like, I'm hearing these words and I'm like, I remember those words. And I'm just remembering like, I'm just understanding how full circle life can be and how human we all are. I actually don't see, I don't even understand like what a fan

is without the context of me, you know, because everybody that like I, I really idolized like I've

got to be friends with. And so there is a part of that that never goes away. And it's sort of like

sneaks up on you like deja vu or something. You'll be in an interaction that is feeling totally normal and then suddenly one thing will flash through the room and you'll be like, oh my God, this is health and drop. And it's like those moments are, I really cherish him. I just grabbed him and hold on to him and I go, yeah, yeah, you did it, you did it. Yeah, and it's in a sort of indication that you're still in touch with that part of yourself. Like you don't feel like a

bucket or beyond it or over it. Yeah, it's really cool. Yeah. And staying in touch with that part of myself keeps me honest in my responsibility within my job to to other people that like my music

and go out for the night. Like, I'm really going to show up for that gig because I just understand.

What's Elton like? I've never met him. He seems incredible. Like, also he's always discovering

new artists. Yeah, always. Like he's really in a new music all the time. You've never met him. No, see, that's the most people have met Elton because he's so social and he's just so like you will meet him and like real extrovert, absolutely love him, total extrovert. But like one of those people that's reached, maybe the most iconic status that you can possibly reach with absolutely no trace of narcissism. Whoa, I know, like he's competitive and he's intense and he knows he's

out in John. I'm a competitive person. God, I know, so do I. I mean, I've got to get a, you know, get it. You want to try to win a little bit. But he will ask you questions. Yeah. And listen to your

“answers and be just genuinely intrigued like by you. You know, and that's why he's discovering all these”

younger artists. Yeah. He's just an exceptional man. Yeah. Once in a millennium, man. And you any work with Dali, who just, that's another one. What is it like to say next to Dali? What is that feel like? It's Dali Parton. She's impeccable. She does not miss. So the standard is like so high. Like Dali is the boss. And so when I show up for Dali, like I show up all in time, buttoned all the way up to the top button and I don't miss. I know everything I'm supposed to do.

And she doesn't like ask you to meet that standard, but it's there. Like Dali is high expectations. And yeah, she's just amazing. And the work you've done recently with Joni by Joni side is just so cool. It felt like you were, you were the professional and the fan at the same time. That's such a nice thing to say. All that's such a nice thing to say and nice way to look at it. I felt like a student, a lot of the time, because that music was so wildly complex and inaccessible to me at

first. Even though I was a fan of it, I had never had to get inside of it and learn phrasing and learn,

“you know, the key changes of the melody, it's a roller coaster. The melody's a roller coaster.”

So you don't have in those twists and turns ready. And then take that and combine it with the fact that Joni doesn't ever like to the same thing twice. And then she thinks if she thinks you know what she's going to do, she's not going to do it. So it's a really wild thing getting to sit, shotgun next to Joni. And as her recovery is progressed and she's gotten more and more and more that way. And I see the spirit of who Joni Mitchell has always been more and more every day

that she delves into her own music. And it must be so cool to talk to like young teenagers who are discovering her for the first time. Well, they come up to me and mass. That's probably the thing I

end up talking about the most and I love it. Like I never grow tired talking about Joni in the

Joni journey. But like younger people and much older people alike, that is the thing everyone comes to man says, okay, look, I've got Joni Mitchell's lyrics tattooed on my arm, you know. Like really like Gracie Abrams, like that's how I met Gracie, you know. Yes. I'm also thinking about that sweet performer, Benicio. Oh, yeah, Benicio, who sang the joke with you many times, which is a watching one in a credible song. And just the way, you know, it's not easy to sing

with like legends and young people like who are kind of just starting out. And they're turning like

“the way you performed with him like Chris Farley. I'm like, remember that? That's my question.”

Do you remember when you did? I do. I remember Benicio. But like that was such a beautiful moment. You and it really changed. How does this song change depending on who you perform it with? That the, well, first of all, the innocence of that with Benicio, I was so impulsive back then. Like, I was just the school. I went to the public school. I went to the talent. I live in a couple times a year. I'll do something for them. I'll just go speak in an assembly or whatever.

You know, actually feels good to like be cool in that school. No, I'm an adult. I guess you were not as good. No, no one was. So I, you know, I would there and like Benicio came up and he sang that song and it was just, it was stunning. And I was like, I'm going to be on TV next. We come with me to New York. And I could be so impulsive like the stakes were like, I don't want to say they were low, but it felt like the stakes were really low like back then. Like, I didn't know what I was

going to wear. And I just took a kid from my school with me, you know. And I remember like, it had been no big deal to me because I'd already been doing it so much at that point, you know. And when we, they say on those, um, what was it, what was it, Seth or was it? Okay, this is a great

which one it was. But it's a late show, which could mean 45 different shows. Yeah, I said the

had the word late in it. And I thought it was Jimmy Fallon, but then it might have been because sure was late at night. And it's a white path I should be able to find it. But I cannot find it. And also, I'm not great at looking things up. Well, they, in those, in these shows, which I love

“doing, they say you can go, you can retake if you need to, but you don't. You're not supposed to.”

Yeah. So, um, but Benicio Frost, and he totally froze. And we walked back stage at the thing, and he was just crying. And I was like, Benny, I understand, you know, it's like, you're so young. And maybe, I don't know, I should have talked to you about this a little bit more. It's okay, like listen, you're not supposed to retake it, but let me go out and see if they'll let us do it again. And they did. And so the band went back out, reset up, and we did it again. And I just, the real lesson

in that was like, if there was anything about that, that was, I think really good for Benicio's growth was that that mistake, that failure, that momento, you know, catastrophe turned into like a total triumphant. It was so triumphant. And that makes so much sense because your joy in the way he was singing with you, like you could feel it in that performance. And it makes a lot of sense that you were like, really excited that he was nailing it. Yeah. And it was twice the victory because he got it together.

“Like that thing we have to do. We have to pull it together. And just that's why winners do. Yeah.”

I mean, not like it's competition, but well done, Benicio. Can I ask you your relationship to your hair? Because it's a deeper question for me about how we all play around with our mask and femme energy. Yeah, totally. And you, you know, when you were young, watching little

fair, and then when you came out as an artist, like when I first saw you, you know, you had like

long hair. And I'm curious how how you have changed and how your hair is changed and like are they connected? Yeah. And that's such a, like, interesting and intuitive question. Like no one has ever asked me a question like that before. But, and I'm very conscious of my hair. So I'm me too. I mean, but I, I think, I think hair is political, right? Like yeah. It, and it's, it's interesting, our relationship with it and it changes all the time. And we're telling people

“who we are through it. Yeah. Well, somebody asked me recently about coming out about like when”

I'm really truly felt like I had like stepped into my authentic self. And I just without even thinking about it, said when I cut my hair, when I cut my hair. And at that time in my life, yeah, if you saw on the low with dog, I had like a little boy, like almost buzz cut, like haircut. And I loved it. It was so freeing. I loved having it off my neck. I loved that my mom hated it. I loved everything about like that haircut. Yeah. And then, yeah. And then I, I've, I definitely have played around with

and felt comfortable moving in and out of kind of gender representation throughout all of my adolescence. And a lot of times it would depend on my girlfriend, like what girlfriend I had and

like where her hair was like, but I've always liked how I looked and changing that and and asking

myself if I liked, you know, where I was at. And yeah, hair is like the first thing. It is to address, yeah. You know, we kind of make jokes in, in the world where like someone has the same hairstyle for 40 years. Yeah. But what's behind that? Yeah. What's behind that is like a fear of like, if I change, yeah. Will I recognize myself? Right. Will I recognize myself? Because so many people want to, you know, they want to feel younger. They want to feel like the version of themselves

when they were feeling the best about themselves. What happened? I know when so much of it is hair. And like, we make fun of like man with comb over, for example, right? Like we make fun of people who like won't let go. But like, I don't know. It's just, there's just a lot of self-esteem that comes from hair. I don't like making any sense. You know, you're making it like too much sense. Plus, I do feel like for me, if I wanted to grow my hair, I don't think it would grow long past a certain

point. Yeah. I feel like it would like actually physically just be like, nope. You're getting the bob. I'm just going to split at the air. But no, I know what you mean. Like that is something that that comes in all the time. And then adqueerness to that, you know, and like the gender issue that you so intuitively point it out to that. And then it can get like another layer of complication for sure. But I have definitely seen that when a central core group of lesbians will like

sort of like set a trend for themselves and not alone, by the way, usually it takes a team like it does with me. But then you will start to see lesbians everywhere looking. Like I've noticed

Okay. I want to talk to you a little bit about touring. You really nicely came, when Tina and I were on tour, you really nicely came one time and did our show, which was so nice of you. I don't think you know how and through. So I want to get to do that. I don't think what I did to get home so that I could do that. I wasn't even a thank you thing. It was like it's a thank you from me. I was so excited to get to do that. I love you guys so much. You said famously that like

your first of all, I love everything you've done, all the movies and everything. That's the stop right now. Pick this any lovely. But you said the best SNL cast is the one when you're 13. Not for me. It was the late 90s to mid early 2000s. That was that is my SNL cast. So you guys are like

everything to me and I was so excited to get to go there. We had an amazing couple of years. I

got to say when I look at our who I was on SNL with at the time, it was crazy heavy hitters. Anna Maya. You Tina Rachel. I mean, well, ratio. Yes. We did you cross over with Chris. Chris, you can cut this if you want, but I'm just such a fan and to get to do that with you guys. Funny thing. You bring a Christian. Just yesterday my kid was eating mango and he was like, do you want the mango and I was like, oh, um, there's a character in mango.

You want to mango. I'm going to show it to you. I was like, you have no idea. You have met mango. Yeah, no. And so, but touring is its own thing and it's own, you know, and I'm sure you

have it down. You've toured a million different ways and you figured out like how you liked to tour.

“What do you like about touring and what have you adjusted now to make you like it even more?”

How do you adjust it? Brandy style. So, you know what I mean? Like, oh, if I'm going to be in the city, I'm going to make sure that I don't visit anybody and don't do anything, but just do my show. Or I'm going to back, back time three hours from the show and make sure I have a stake or whatever. Yeah, well, it's changed so much because you've accumulated people. Yeah. And restaurants and places and parks and walks and little urban rivers, the fish in my case. Yeah, they fish. Yeah, so I've,

I've acquired memories in each of these, each of these places they're my place now. And so, yeah, I go there and I do all those things. And now that I'm older and I can't sing as uninhibitably as I used to when I was younger and I used to just blow my voice out all the time, I'm really careful about days off. So, I lined up getting a day off usually and he's most cities to sort of experience it. One thing I can't do is sleep all day. That's not good for me emotionally. And like I said, I can't

do too much drinking. Yeah. And let's talk about sleep for a second. Yeah, sleep, man. Do you like it? Well, we got to do it. Do you get enough? I do. I do. What do you do? What's your bedtime routine? Okay. Well, an involves a heating pad? Have you know about the bio mat? Yeah, you know, I'll end us more at such a sent me one. And it's life changed. My first thoughts and possible to get up off of it. Once again, I had sucks you in. Like,

yeah, and you got to be so careful not to bed rot when you're not sleeping. Like, yeah, don't go back to that bed. Yeah. Once you get out, do you put your bio mat in your bed? I mean, be careful. I mean, there's many versions of it, but it's basically like a giant heating

pad that has crystals in it or whatever they say. And it grounds you. Yeah. And it's incredible.

Yeah. It's incredible. And I love a heating pad like I drove you with one, you know, um, but my bedtime routine is, yeah, I go on the heating pad. And I take a melatonin gummy. Nice.

“And I talk with my wife and me do the debrief of the day. That's, I think, so important for,”

I just think that's so, I don't know, do you do that? Yeah, I love the, I love the being able to kind of review, like have a review, yes, of the day. Get out of your own head and the way that you saw yourself in your own behavior. Here's somebody else's take on it. Yeah. If you're developing conspiracy theories about other people or starting to crystallize into like weird political, you know, belief systems. Yeah. You learned, you went down a rabbit hole or whatever. And then you just do have a conversation

with a human being that knows you up night. Yeah. And it's a real head cleansing experience. And it's also a time where you can kind of decide, like, I'm going to drag some of these things to trash. And then someone want to kind of take with me to the next day. Yeah. Like, some, I'm going to just kind of talk through and then they're going to float away. Yeah. And other things I'm going

“to remember and keep. Yeah. And you kind of dream, calibrate. Yeah. Yeah. And then you go,”

do you wear an eye shade? Yeah. Lately. Interesting. Earplugs? No. I feel claustrophobic when I put

routine? And do you get enough? I try to get so much. I love sleep so much. All I think about is when can I get sleep and like how many hours can I get? And what's your mattress? I, that's where I'm, I need some help. Okay. I got some lots. Really? Tell me. Okay. So I'm a big mattress person.

The first, the very first thing I did when I made any money was by every single person. I know

a mattress. Whoa. That's such a baller move. It was like, it was like when temperpedics first came out. And I didn't have that much money. Some of my financed. You're like, I'm going to get this thing someday. Yes, exactly. That is awesome. But I could because of this sleep thing. Like, you know, but that was like that was when Ted temperpedic first came out. So I was like a big temperpedic person and you're not get paid, but temperpedic. Yeah. But I, yet, but I bought everyone

a temperpedic mattress and lately I've really been into this other mattress called the purple mattress. And so these two? I need a new mattress. Okay. These are the ones. And a new mattress is one of those adult things that literally feels impossible. Like, you're like, I guess I can

never get it. Like, I'm really good at adulting. I get a lot of stuff done. I'm not a procrastinator,

“but something about a new mattress. I'm like, I guess I'll just never get a mattress. Why?”

I don't know. I don't know how hard it might be in the room. Okay. What do you like about this mattress? Well, I mean, it's like, tell me this mattress. Okay. The purple mattress? Sure. Okay. So it's anything that feels like this like zero gravity mattress situation where you like, in my mind, I tell myself, if I'm not like pressed up against something hard and my like blood can flow freely throughout my body and my circulation is good, then I'm healing when I'm

asleep. So you like, and you don't like, do you like a softness? Then you don't like a firm mattress, you know? It's like less blankets more blankets. It's like a combination of things. But I just think that like temperpedic and purple, these two mattresses, they provide this kind of zero gravity feeling where if you wake up in the middle of night, no part of you feels pressed up against something else. Yeah. I'll see if we ever sleep in the same bed, which I

feel like it's a possibility. Don't touch me. Get there. We're starting to be touched by other people when I was sleeping. No touch. No absolutely no touching. Well, I mean, also I'm a certain

“age where like, I have to find cool spots a lot. Yeah. Okay. Like, I think it's very hot. Uh-huh. So”

and I don't like, I don't like touching. And also, I've said this many times for podcast and I'm sorry, I'm saying I'm about to wear a C-pad machine. Oh, so. And because I have to sleep at the end. Yeah. We are so hot when we go to bed. That's my second. I think that's going to rise. I'm asked. No, you're full. It's good. Yeah, special. No, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm so hot. That's like, I mean, it's true love, actually. It's whoever who ever can get past that is

it's really true love. Yeah. But what's in your rider? Do you have a rider? Yeah, I do. Anything fun? No, it's so boring. Like, I'm just like, I'm really going to mean you're a normal person. Very boring to you. Like, no, people that have weird riders feel, honestly, it feels like it's a stressful way to get people to run around for them. It is because you know, my best friend her job was riders for a while. And that's kind of when I was like, no, my rider is like normal.

It's like, what kind of stuff are you talking about? I need an avocado. Perfect. I need lemons. Yep. I need just some like look Roy. Yeah. And it's got to be cold. And then like tuna salad.

That's that. Every show, every, every, I always have to have tuna salad and bananas.

And I don't like any of those things. But they are a part of my routine and I have to have them. Okay. Well, the rider question brings me to, we do this thing on the show, where we have people who know our guest, Zoom with me before I talk to our guest to speak well behind their back and also to give me a question. So we talked to Mary and Morris today. Oh, I love Mary. I know. I do too. And I mean, the high women were such an incredible, such a great example of

you and all of this women, of course. But like, women working together in real time to make really cool stuff. And everyone's saying, yes, right away. And Brandy, being the one that's like, let's do it. I'm going to make it happen here. The dates. Let's go. And then making this great record and performing with Dali. Like it just feels like that whole experience was so awesome. Was it? It was. It was not uncomplicated. But it was awesome. Yeah. And just like something

“I am so proud we did. And actually something I think we should do again. Yeah. Because it's like”

that combination of women was really interesting and I want, I want that back in a way.

when I did it. And now, you know, that they are where they are. I just want us, I want them to watch

“us do it. Yeah. I think they'd really learn from it. And then our, our kids, you know, like we did”

that Marin, what didn't have a child yet. And you know, it's like now they're also big, where she's big. And then it shows big and my kids are getting big. And I just, having a girl on the, on the, on the precipice of being a teenager, I think it would be really neat thing to show them.

Well, that's exactly what Marin's question was. She was basically saying like, you have two

daughters. You're watching your girls get older. They're coming to your shows. Like, like, you know, her question was like, you know, any advice, you know, because, you know, Marin's get a little boy. And just, and, and we were talking about was even extrapolating from that. It's just this idea of like a working mother, like, how do we figure out how to invite our kids into the world and show them, you know, it's such a great, it's such a great thing to watch your mom do what she loves to do.

It's a big deal. Yeah, that's a big deal. And especially for young girls. So when they come and watch you, do they, um, what do you think about when they're, when they're around you and you're on tour, I know you brought them, of course, many times on tour. Like, what do you think about now with your

“daughters and, and, and what you want them to see? And what do they, do they like watching you perform?”

The girls like watching me perform. They're both really into sports, which is mystifying to

me because I never, you know, but like they were like watching the world series and they were crying

when the Mariners got defeated and now they won't ever even go to Toronto because they're so mad at the Blue Jays and, like, I have no feelings about sports whatsoever, but I'll take them to a game and then I'll watch them watch that and I'm like, you know, the concerts don't really register in the same way. Well, it's just like, how do you, how do you, um, rebel when your mom's rock stars and you become a jack? I hope this is a lot of some of the things to come, but they, they see him

more, like, and I, this is occurring to me as I'm saying it. They seem more excited by and interested in the way I interact with fans as a person, as a public person than actually how I do music. They're more interested in the fact that I'm a little bit famous than whether I'm a good or bad singer and they're very interested right now in the way my music interfaces with politics.

“Oh, wow. And maybe that's why I'm so interested in, um, Marin's question and, and in, and in,”

and in, and in being a part of, like, uh, another chapter for the High Women is I think they would really like it. Like, they're very, very favorite song from my album as church and stay, they loved the SNL performance and they're very proud of that even with their limited knowledge, you know, they know that there's a struggle and that our families are part of it and they're very proud of that and more interested in that than they even seem to be the musical.

And I probably are just figuring that out that, oh, my mom's art, the her job is

speaking to that. I bet they're just figuring that out for the first time. They are. They like

a very cool. Yeah, and that's, they seem to be just energized about, about those kinds of things. And it goes, it does sort of translate to their behavior in sports and stuff. I took them to, like, a Seattle rain, a soccer game and they were just took on a life of their own. You know, that song you without me from my album, though them in sports as a you without me moment, I don't know who they are when they're screaming those things and they're like,

"B, I'll grass in, b, b, aggressive." I'm like, "No, don't be aggressive." But they're like, "That's a chant, mom." Yeah, that's a chant, mom. They're like, "We're, we're it's good." That's so interesting, no, because I feel like you have a, you have a, you are, you know, and positively competitive. And you have a player's attitude toward your work. I'm driven, but I'm not competitive. Like, it's crazy. No, it's actually an annoying, I think.

Interesting. And I think it puts me a little bit on the out with my friends, even like, my relationship with Elton, these constantly annoyed by my lack of it. But if I'm up for an award and somebody else beats me, I mean, I'm deflated for like three and a half seconds until they get up and do their speech. And then I'm like fighting back tears from like feeling so happy for them. I'm like, "I'll go see my own kid, play soccer." And I'm just so, I'm so proud of all those little

girls out there. I don't even know how to root for my own kid, because I'm so, you know what I mean? Yeah. But, but, but you're saying you just have a healthy relationship to competition, maybe, because awards are crazy. And they're crazy. Of course. And, and you go there and it's like, if you actually, you know, what is winning? What winning is just being at the show. And same with,

Okay. So, my last question is, and I ask all my guests this, and I know you're a real comedy fan.

“It's like real learning that. So, you have, you probably have a refined taste. And comedy is”

probably something that you seek out, pay attention to, and care about. What are you listening to, watching a video, a TV show, a movie, old, new, or like, what makes you laugh? How are you like, in these times, where do you go when you want to feel that lift? How do I go? I go to a few core movies. Like, I'll go to a few core comedy movies without sounding too retro or old school. I mean, I love Tommy Boy. Oh, my God. I love Tommy Boy. I mean, everyone's

everything, tenacious D. I loved sisters. I felt like that was a really important one for a lot of

reasons. And in SNL, I like never miss SNL. I love SNL. And I've got my favorite old episodes

in my life. What's one of your favorite SNL sketches? I'm a favorite SNL sketches. I want you together. Oh, my God. That's so manly. Good ones. One that I come back to a lot. It's the um, Lysomonelli turns on a lamp. Oh, do you ever see that? What? Christian Wague, a total genius. That's so really good. I mean, let's watch that first. Yeah. I mean, and by the way, hilarious physical comedy, not great for podcasts, but um, okay,

“the title says Lysomonelli tries to turn off a lamp. Oh, that's what it is. Yeah. I mean, Wague is”

so friggin' funny. I know. And okay, let's watch this. I'm also a huge Tracey Morgan fan. Tracey Morgan. Okay, so this is me. We've got um, and the kid goes up in 15 minutes. We got a scoop like that. I love it. I love it. I love her. When she was on TV as a young kid, I was like, "Who is that?" Yeah. Lysomonelli, you're very talented. Yeah. I should stick with it. Stick with Lysomonelli. You picked the right job and Brandy so did you. You picked her. You're

just the best singer. Congrats on your voice, on this record, on all the things that you're the best. You are. Oh my god. I love talking to you. I'm the most interesting person. I really feel I hope this is the beginning of a long friendship. Seriously. I know you have a lot of people living in your house. You have like a lot of people in your house. Yeah. One or two more, you might not even notice. No. You need a trim carpenter if you're afraid to work with wood. I can strengthen

your results. I am. I feel like that's this time around. I'm probably not going to do that. Yeah. But that's okay. God is fair. Yeah. Thank you so much for doing this. This is so fun. I really

enjoyed it. Thank you so much Brandy. You are incredible and it was so, so fun hanging with you.

Yeah. You know, we talked about so many good things. One thing that we spoke about, which I just wanted to kind of correct or plunge deeper into in the polar plunge was the performance that her and Benicio Bryant did together for the incredible song The Joke, which we all know as one of Brandy's best. And that was on late night with Seth Meyers. And Seth, I'm sorry that I forgot that.

“I love your work, Seth. I love what you do. I'm a big big fan. But I can't remember where things”

you know, air anymore. And so it sounded like it would be something that you would have done. Great great idea, whoever. I'm sure it wasn't your idea. But whoever on your staff said to do it, so smart. And I'm sorry that I might have attributed that performance to another late night show. You're the only late night show I care about. So, Seth, could grasp on that. And Brandy beautiful work and listeners. Thank you again for tuning in. See you soon!

You've been listening to Good Hand. The executive producers for this show are Bill Simmons, Jenna Weiss-Berman and me, Amy Poler. The show is produced by the ringer and paper kite. For the ringer, production by Jack Wilson, Kat Spelaine, Kaiya McMillan, NLA as an iris. For paper kite, production by Sam Green, Joel Lovell and Jenna Weiss-Berman. The original music by Amy Miles.