Jon Hamm

>> Hello, everyone. Welcome to another episode of GoodHang.

“We have our own dear, wonderful friend, John Ham joining us today.”

And we are so excited to have a ham bone here today. We are going to talk about so much good stuff. We're going to talk about auditioning. We're going to talk about the best position in baseball. We're going to talk about bad bunny.

We're going to talk about what he thinks Don Draper would be doing now. And we're going to talk about season two of his hit Apple Show, your friends and neighbors. John is just such a dear, tenderoni underneath all that Superman muscle. And so we're going to get into it today.

But we're going to start our episodes like we always do by talking to somebody who knows John.

And we've got a great one today. We have Roger Sterling himself, John Slattery, an incredible actor, director, writer, wonderful person who is like kind of one of John's shows and brothers. So let's see what he has to say and get him on zoom.

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insurance company and affiliates, North Brook, Illinois. Well, we're doing it. Slattery, I'm going to talk to him about this, but I just finished a mad man rewatched by the way. Wow.

How long did that take you?

Several months, God Roger Sterling is such an incredible character such a complicated guy

that you just cannot help but love and half the time you're like, why do I love this guy? Although, I mean, not just him, I think everybody had despite their wrongheadedness or whatever moment, like just when you thought, well, this is just somebody who thinks like this, they're doing something incredibly human or funny or touching or whatever. I mean, he's, you know, that thing, you know, those, all those characters had that.

Okay, so did you and Ham know each other before you worked on Madman? So you met when? I auditioned for his part and they said, and I, I remember calling, I called my agent back and was like, are you sure this is the part?

“Cause, you know, I was beyond that age and they were like, that's what they want.”

So I did all my homework and went in and read and then Matt and Alan Taylor were there

and then they said, okay, so here's the thing, we already have this guy and I said,

excuse me and they said, well, with your part isn't really visible so much in the first episode. So there wasn't much for you to read. We didn't think you'd come in and I was a little like, and then, you know, he said, but I promise you this will be a great part.

So then I met him and I was like, oh shit, you know, well, they certainly do have that guy, like I realized, you know, that's what that guy looks like, of course. Yeah. And then day one, he just sent me a picture at the other night. Two nights ago of his TV, somewhere he was and it was him at the desk and me sitting

across with a drink and I said, then I could tell from the suit and like my hair was diff something and I said, is that day one and he said, yeah, no way. Yeah. I mean, what's so satisfying about your relationship from afar is that the relationship you had on the show felt very brotherly.

It really felt like big brother, little brother energy and if it is, or is your relationship like that to it feels like it.

“I think our relationship is more sort of equal, like our age doesn't really come into”

it so much. And also he's such a competent person, it isn't like I haven't been teaching. It's off in the other way. I was thinking about like, well, what would I ask him, what would it, and it was, who does he look to for answers?

Because sometimes I actually think, what would hand do? Like in the certain situation or whatever, because he's just, is that it, you know, he is good at, most everything he puts his hand to and smart and, all that stuff and he kind of, so our relationship was more just kind of, you know, brotherly, but not like a older

Like it is in the show.

What do you think makes John so competent in your words, like so good at so many

things?

“You know, you have to be smart emotionally to be that funny and as you know, you”

have to be observant and you have to listen and you have to, so all that stuff goes into being good at very different things. I mean, he's, it makes sense that he's as good at drama as he is at comedy. Because it's, it's something that he's paid attention to for a long time. I mean, when I, I couldn't, I would stand in front of the television, I wouldn't even

sit down, we would just stand there with the clicker and go from Oscar Madison to Derek

Jackabee to, you know, just get a chunk and then the, like, go to get another one and

see what, just get a piece of this and a piece of that when it got slow or commercial, I go it off to some, you know, just like, just to, you know, a sieve open, just just wanting to, I don't know why, I don't know what it, but I just like wanting to absorb everything. Wow, that's such an interesting and true observation is that when I watch TV, I watched

it, like, what I imagine athletes do when they watch sports, where they're watching for, you know, same. I watched performances unconsciously or subconsciously to get an idea of how to do it. My mother was a big movie fan. My dad was too, but my mother would, she'd go, come in if you watch this and I'd have

my coat on, on my way out, I was like in high school or whatever and she'd go, you

“come and watch, you have to watch this and I just sense it bullvard or whatever, and I”

got, I have to go, she could just five minutes, just watch and then an hour and 20 minutes later I'd be sitting on the couch with my coat on next to her watch and move, I said, I watched, at her funeral, I was saying, I watched more movies with my coat on because I was, you know, sucked in. Yeah, yeah. Well, Slattery, I love seeing you. I, I'm, I hope we get to hang out in

some real way again. We, we got to be on it. We got to do a couple scenes together once on a silly show called Wet Hot American Summer in on Netflix. We got to perform together and it was really fun. So I hope we get to do something again someday soon. Actually, too, you know, I remember being so impressed that the difference between my own ability to sort of improvise and yours, which was like, oh, that's how, that's a person

who knows how to improvise on story, like not just dive, dive, vert and use some nugget that you have saved up or something, but like that you could do stuff that had to do with the actual action of the scenes. And I was just sort of, you and John early, I was watching this thing and I was thinking, man, these people are, this is, this is, this is different.

“Well, when you don't quote, remember your lines, you have to, you have to have a trick.”

You know, you have to, you have to be like, look over there. Well, Slattery, love you, love seeing you give lots of love to Talia, please give her my love. We'll do. And thank you so much for this, and I'm sure a hand will be so happy that we talked. Have fun saying it. Everybody, thank you so much. Okay, talk to you soon, bite. All right, listen up. Ralph's King Super's Harris Teter Food for Less Croger and

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fees. Orders of $30 or more, save up to $25. And May 31st, 2026, see app for details. You look great. Well, you're winning a Golden Globe really changed you. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I have two of them, but yeah, so do I. Yeah, I'm going back to it. It makes

the first one that much more special. It really does. But you know what, you're making

me think of that I feel like we should start with immediately, is that you and I started losing it? Yeah. Maybe lose your sound. Maybe welcome to the first on John Hammis here. Hi, John Hammis. Hi. Oh my god. For, okay. First of all, I'm so deeply, deeply happy to see you. Same buddy, same. It's been way too long. Yeah. I'm seeing you forever. Yeah. But I've been watching your podcasts as I do for all my friends,

with Nick Offerman a minute and years ago, smart girls with the party. And I knew then that you had your finger on the pulse of something very, very special and cool. And I'm glad that this is the further extension of that because it makes me very happy for you. Thank you for seeing that. God, you've done so many favors for me. But you did a, you and Nick and a bunch of people did a, I made you have a baby. That's it. Like, we have so much to talk about.

It was not pregnant when the week started. That was, that was crazy. That was crazy.

Having a baby. Well, and also, you know what's amazing about that is that there is

a physical marker of that time. I know. And it, like, we have no each other now for, we're, we're getting up on the 20 years. 20 years, which, it seems

“crazy. And it seems impossible. It does. Everything that I think is 10 years now is 20 years.”

Yeah. Pandemic really threw a whole weird thing in that. And the 80s to us or the 80s to our kids are what the 20s were to us. Exactly. That's the goal. The roaring 80s, whenever anybody wore tuxedos. But I want to start John Hamm. The last time we saw you, you were getting on a hot air balloon on this podcast. Yes, I was, I was on it. I was all on it. We were shooting on a hot air balloon. And I hope you heard both the Adam Scott

and Paul wrote episode because we talked about you a lot. And you know, we have talked about you on this podcast. And that like early being guys. And it does feel very fun and magical to talk about. And not only because everybody was young and like just beginning, but it just feels kind of why are you all met? Yeah, it's crazy. And it's absolutely crazy.

“Through Paul, honestly, here's how it's done. Tell us how all Avengers assemble. Yes,”

truly at this point. Yeah. Paul went to Paul's an avenger, isn't it? Okay. That's an avenger. Apparently. Yeah. If you're thinking what? What are you so mad? Why so angry? Because you have super power. You've got a shitty super power. You turn into ants and let them come on. Come on. Wrap it up. You did it. Grow up literally. Yeah, man. The next next movie is grow up and man. Anyways, Paul is from Kansas City, Missouri. Yeah. I am from

St. Louis, Missouri. Right. Paul went to the University of Kansas. My dear friend Preston Clark was his roommate freshman year at the University of Kansas. Paul would come back with his roommate Preston to visit St. Louis for holidays, long weekends, what would have you? And that's when we got to know one another. I was probably a senior in high school and he was a freshman in college. So that makes sense because there is this big brother energy that Adam and Paul

have with you. Where you feel like they're big brother. You're only two or three years older. No, younger. I'm younger than Paul and older than Adam. Oh, really? Yeah. But Rob gives me. He also doesn't age and he has made a deal with the devil. There's a very terrible painting somewhere that is just really rough. But he gives you a lot of big brother energy in the way he talks about you. It's interesting.

Why do you think that? I don't know. I don't know why. I mean, I think I've always you probably

have had this experience with me too. I've always represented older than I am. Yeah, I've heard you say that. Even when I was like a little kid, I would not not little kid. But like when I was a teenager, they were like, you're buying the beer. Because you look kind of old. I'm like, what thanks? Is it because you were tall? Tall. I have a deep voice. I got a beard early. Like I was just, I don't know what it was. But it was, it was very much that. Yeah. I played all the adult roles and

caught, you know, like the high school in college. Oh, they're real fun, dad roles. You know, great. You know, I've been like, who's afraid of Virginia Wolf when I'm like 19. You talked to Paula Pel,

who also talks about she always did the old like same thing. Same energy. There was something there.

“I don't know. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. But anyway, so that's how I met Paul. And we're talking”

like 1989. Right. Maybe. So you're in Missouri when you know each other. Yeah. And you do say to each other, I want to be an actress. So do I. Paul decides he wants to be an actor. He transfers from the University of Kansas to the American Academy dramatic arts in Pasadena. That's where he meets Adam. Right. I see. Adam's the California kid that came down from Santa Cruz. And then we all, then this would have been in the early 90s. I graduate college. I come out here in

94. 95, something like that. And we're all, there's this little percolating group of friends that nobody has a job. Well, that's what I'm kind of. Except Paul was already famous. Like he

Call this in Romeo and Juliet. Kind of we're back to back. But what's fascinating is you unlike some other people who like go through a pipeline before you start working like, you know,

the like a, a Julie art conservatory or like second city or whatever, you kind of go cold into

super cool. Come in, or I do one person. Paul, that was it. And I had an aunt and uncle that lived out here. So I had a, I had a, a place to stay. Yeah. And then I moved, you know, I found a part of my family house to live in out in Silver Lake, which is very, you know, urban pioneering back then wasn't cool. I mean, it was cool. But it was very out on the edge. Yeah, the swing you

“took to come out here is very impressive to me because it is like, did you grow up knowing any actors?”

Did you know anyone that was an actor? No. And did you, when you were in high school? And like, when did you, did you do plays? Yeah. Were you like, were you like the jock that did place? Yeah. My high school was one of those magical places that you were just encouraged to do everything. You weren't siloed. If you were a jock, you weren't just that. Yeah. And it was small, but everybody kind of knew each other. My graduate in class was 95 kids. Yeah. So I knew

everybody in my class. And we were kind of all friends, like your friends with the violin kid, and your friends with the weird beautiful artist in the kid that could sing opera somehow at 16. You know, there was a lot of talented kids there. And in fact, from my school, Ellie Kemper, was one of my students when I went back to tea. And no, it's a great

“Heather Goldenhurst, who was Tony nominated actress, Stephanie Sanditz, Leslie Stevens, all these”

kids that Sarah Clark, who was in my class, was on 24, who dated Paul, Rudd, Glyber Knight. So we had this kind of weird concentrated energy that was very creative, but we were encouraged. So it was, I didn't know any actors, but I thought, "Well, why not me?" And they were like, "We need a Willie Loman. We need a tired self." We need an 18-year-old Willie Loman with the weight of the world on their shoulders.

[laughs] Hamlet, do you ever feel that you could have been a, we were ever good in a sport enough that you had like dreams like every, I thought I was going to be a, I thought, because also the other half of my growing up was my best friend, John Simmons's dad was a professional baseball player. So I was like, "So you need a professional baseball player?" I did know a professional baseball player. And I was like,

"Man, one of these days, me and John Simmons, we're going to be, we're going to play for the Cardinals together, probably." Uh, what position did you play? I was a catcher.

You were a catcher. Yeah. Yeah. I always think of the catchers as the little, little, little people.

Little stocky guy. No, I was kind of the, I was always, I was always this shape. I was always lanky. Mm-hmm. Um, lanky? Yeah, right? I mean, when you say lanky, kind of lanky. I mean, I don't want to describe your body back to you, but I wouldn't use lanky. I feel lanky. Yeah. I mean, am I using that word? Well, I don't want to lanky. But I feel like you got shoulders. I feel like you like to carry the way to the world. You need it for the briefcase.

All of the both of the sample cases that I, oh, God. Okay. So catcher, which I have to say in all the, I use to play softball and all the positions, my two favorite positions were catcher and second base. Interesting. Catcher because I feel like catcher. Yeah, you're in every play and you're just like, you're kind of like a coach in a way. Yeah, a little bit. Tell everyone where to go and you're running

“the run in the room. That's what I liked about it. And second base for almost the opposite reason,”

which is, you were like, I, I, I don't, I thought you had it. Like second base is a little bit like, not a bit over here. But for sure. So it's like, you know, just like, I'm honestly in the hierarchy of who gets to call like a pop up. Second base is like the last. Yes. Second base is like, I wanted to get it. I just, it was over. I thought closer to you. But you can chat. You can chat. You can chat on the second base. And that short throw, short throw to first. Yeah. I mean, I didn't have the

arm. I never had the arm, but I had the mouth. Okay. So, so there was a party that's like, I'm

going to catch for the cardinals. And then, yeah. And then, but here's, here's what it really was. Is that I realized, probably even when I was stolen in high school, I was like, oh, there's people that are way better than we get this, like, way way way better than me at this. Yeah. Yeah. And so I kind of like, I was early disabused of that notion. Very, very, just, it was kind of like, yeah. Yeah. And also, I realized that, and I have a lot of friends now that are professional athletes.

And you're like, it's a job. Yeah, big time. It's 24/7, even in the offseason, you're training,

I know. And with sports, when I watched sports or when even when I played sports,

I was, I didn't feel like I was playing or watching to like know how to do it for life. You were enjoying it. Yes. It's like a hobby. But with television and film, I definitely watched it very intensively. Me too. Yeah. So to put a point on the end of that story of like not loving, not loving it enough to want to do it professionally. I love what I do now. Yeah. I mean, I really do. Yeah. And getting to do things like us and hell and getting to produce and develop

stuff, getting to have this kind of length and breadth of a career that you can look back on and go, man, I'm pretty proud of that stuff. Yeah. I love that. You didn't Shakespeare and do you, do you just Shakespeare and there? Yeah. And college. Yeah. Do you understand Shakespeare? What's happening there? I thought it was for now's Hamlet. Apparently it's Hamlet. Yes. I just thought it was Hamlet. No, I did. I really loved reading. This is part of when when I kind of

figured out maybe I was going to be an actor. Is that I would read plays as a little, I read like a banana's weirdo when I was a kid. Because I was a single, single mom. Yeah. And in only child. Yes. So there was, that was it. There was no internet. There were no phones. Video games were rudimentary. Yeah. So it was about reading and we had tons of books everywhere. And I had a library card. So I would go to the library, I would check up books, I would check out

“comedy records. Yes. Those are the two things that I got. What did you check out, do you remember?”

I mean, it was bananas that I was a seven year old boy. And I had like, Richard prior records. Yeah. The name of which I will not say out loud. But you can find out what it's called. And, but it's also like Bob Newhart George Carlin work just stuff that was whatever was there. And what were your series? What books were you reading? Like what kind of series do you love as a kid? I read, there wasn't really, I don't, I don't remember they're being like, um, YA stuff like that.

It wasn't really like, I mean, I feel like a little house in the prairie was for a kind of kind of, yeah. What I didn't really read, it was kind of for a girl. I know it's for girls. But I read it for boys too. It is for everyone. It's a lovely story. I did read, I did read those. I read place. And it was something that I would, I don't know why I

“was attracted to them or whatever. I think I was, you said earlier about watching TV and like,”

watching it to learn about it. And that was what I thought the plays were. And I would read them, and I would read them out loud to myself. Yeah. So my mom was like, you're, you're going to weird kid. Um, but it was, I would, that was the, looking back. I think that was the first time I would think, oh, maybe I want to do this for real. Um, your mom passed away when you were young, 10 or 10. What was she like? She was a professional secretary. She was a very accomplished

lady. She was the oldest of six kids. Um, she was, I don't know. She was, she was my mom. You know, it was like one of those I loved her. We had an amazing relationship. Um, it's, I say this to

people all the time. There's never a good time to lose a parent. It stinks. It just does.

I lost my mom and I was 10. My dad and I was 20. But I have friends that are our age now that just lost their parents that are just as devastated. Yeah. So it was, um, it was brief, but it was significant. Yeah. My relationship with her. And I still have probably the closest family

“member in my life is my aunt, her younger sister. Yeah. Who's the cool aunt, because she moved out”

here to California. Yeah. And that's who you live with when you came out of here. Yeah, my aunt, Sue. Yeah. Yeah. Because I mean, I feel like hand bones the, the, um, theme of a lot of your work and the things you do is like, like, like, finding your family, like, connecting them, choosing them, making it, like, and you're in a, and you're in a business that does that, too. Yeah. You kind of, you know, it's like, the circus comes to town and make new friends and, um, you know, being on a show as we both were

for an extended period of time. Yeah. You definitely, you definitely forward relationships that are, that are pretty solid, you know, and, and, and don't really dissipate once the, once the circus moves on. Yeah. I know if you're lucky. If you're lucky. If you're lucky. If you're lucky. And that's the, that's the thing you were talking about. I think with the people part of it is like, you know, you meet, we're all kind of crazy weirdos, you know, with different talents, but boy, when you see

with certain people come through your orbit and you're like, man, that person's amazing at

I get this feeling a lot where like, I meet somebody and I'm like, oh, I mean, you know, we even know each other before and another way. It's something, a lot. And I can't, am I wrong that slattery feels like that for you? Yeah. That's my big brother. If I, if I had a big brother, it would be him. Yeah. I was, um, I was just watching, I had, I've not watched Madman back since,

“I just finished and I've been, and I, I, I think I see sometimes on this podcast, the best thing”

about knowing other actresses is sometimes you get to text them and be like, I'm watching your show right now. You're so good. And I think I just do that to you. We watched it. Well, that must have been the impetus for me, starting it, because Anna, my wife, Anna, and I hadn't really,

I hadn't watched it back since the first time. And, um, so we're on like episode five or six now.

And I, and I text really text. What happens? Don't tell me. Um, I texted Slad took a picture of it and texted Slattery. I was just like, remember this day was the first day we shot and I've just remember all that stuff. And it was wild. It was very wild. Obviously, that was 20 years, we go 15 years ago. Um, 20 years ago. Well, we, um, I don't usually bring this up early in the, in in the podcast, but I will now, because it makes sense. So, you know, we do this thing where we

talk well behind somebody's back before and we talked to Slattery today. And he's the best and, and he loves you. And we talked about just that about, and it was funny, because I said, do you feel like a big brother to John and he said in a very big brotherly way? He was like, I feel like we're equals. I feel like I learn as much from John as he learns from me. I feel like I'm not teaching him things. I just feel like we're, um, but that's also a very big brother

thing to say. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, part of it was, you know, it's funny for me too, because I

remember the first couple episodes or the first season of shooting the show and his son Harry

was six as was Kieran and played my daughter on the show, Sally. And now they're 26. Yeah. This lightning and bottle thing that just all of a sudden happens. I point to Madmen and think like,

“I worked very hard to get in that room. Well, I think a lot of people know this. You worked hard,”

and you grind, you were really grinding for sure. Like, you were working probably for 10 years in different, in a lot of different things. But not quite 10, but but a solid six or seven years as a working actor on stuff that nobody watched, um, just did you ever get close to stuff where you are everything. I was, I was the other guy in every thing. And in fact, the year I got Madmen, I had, I had tested when we used to do that seven times. I'd gone to the network, the last step

before you get hired seven times. For seven different projects. Oh, four, seven. What do you remember what some of them were? I don't. Yeah. They were like sitcoms and stuff. Yeah. You know, that, you know, and in old days, now it just feels like everything gets produced. The old days, it was like, they do a pilot, they test it, they see if it worked. Maybe you'd get fired,

“but I did on several occasions. Um, and, and it's such a bananas way to do it. But that was the,”

that was how it was. And the Madmen audition process you've talked about many times. So it was

arduous. Arduous. It started. I started at the very, very bottom. The first audition was a pre-read

just reading with the casting directors. They didn't know my work, not that they would. And it was in Santa Monica. And I lived in Silver Lake. So it was like an hour and a half to get across town in the rain on the Friday. And I met them. And there was another kid sitting in the waiting room. And he was like, it's like a 16, 17-year-old kid. And I was like, man, where are you place like, what's going to go? So you're here for the toothpaste ad? I go, what? No, I didn't think that it was like,

what, what do they say? They're looking for somebody. You know, you know, older guys. You know, older children and the brother team. And it was literally, they were casting a, the other room was a casting a commercial. And, and this was, they were like, no, no, no, we're in here. Hi, sorry. Sorry. And I was like, hi, nice to meet you. Wow. The next day was another one of those. A few days later was, then more and more people are in the waiting room. Then you start to see

people that have signed up. You're like, recognize that guy's name. He wasn't sports night. I'll probably get it. Yeah. And it was that, that, that, that that that, that, that, six, seven, eight times. And then they finally, I got to New York. They flew me to New York on somebody's miles. And, uh, when you went in for that last one, did you? The last one was was, was meet the executives.

happening? You're flying in New York? Yeah. Because I'm going to walk you around the production office.

“And I'm going to introduce you as Don Draper and you're going to act like you have a job. Oh,”

God, that's giving me work. And I was like, and he's like, hey, this is our Don. You know, it's John, maybe I say hi to the cat, the, the costume designer and the hair and makeup. And we're going to do this and he's walking me around this whole thing. And I'm like, I've not heard officially from anybody. Anything. Oh, my God. So then we go to meet the executives from AMC, who are these four very young executives. Yeah, AMC was a young company. Brand new, brand new,

hadn't done anything. We go and we have drinks and we're having a drink and I'm with Matt and Scott Hornbock are the two producers and, and the three executives and kind of holding my drink and I'm like, what, what, what, what is this? What are we doing? So this is, if this is a prank, this is the most elaborate, meanest prank. Yeah. And so for having drinks and here's to the show. And I'm like, yeah, here's to the show. And I drink the drink and we go and, and, and, and I'm like,

we get it into the elevator. There's still haven't said anything. And, and, and, and the lady who's in charge, finally turns to me, because you know you got the job right now. Oh, my God. No, I didn't. This would have been way more fun earlier when we were having drinks to toast and and I said, no, we didn't. I've been, and who go down the elevator and the elevator doors open

up. There's a million paparazzi in, in the, in the, in the lobby of the Maritime Hotel.

And I'm like, oh my God. Like, wow, that's, that was fast. Like, holy shit. But they're all speaking German. I'm not making this up. In the elevator with me was a very famous German football player named Franz Beckenbauer. Or one of the, like, lions of the German Bundesliga. What have you? And I'm like, oh, it's there for him. Guys, guys, guys, it's not giving interviews. Not yet. Let me get some of this. Oh,

in German. And yeah, that's him. Okay, just a few madman questions. I know, you know, the show is, I just, John, that's part. You, that writing, that show, that show is Hall of Fame.

“Thank you. And Hall of Fame, I don't disagree. I think it's a, it's a great show. I was, I was,”

pleasantly surprised watching it back to not be mortified. I'm so happy to hear that, because it is just pristine and your performance is so good, so measured, so controlled. And it, like, all the characters in the show starts to unravel in a perfect way. It does pay off. That's what's really, I think really nice about the show is that as it does unravel, it kind of is a satisfying payoff for kind of everybody. The medically, this idea that like, the character of John Draper is

being presented in this way, which we like project all this stuff on him, just like we would any add, any version of like a person. And then we realize he is a person. Like we all are like, but heavily flawed, heavily flawed, but yet what I love about the show is people change, but not a

lot. So there's never, like, Matt has said, and I think it's a great way to describe it. He said,

I want people to realize that the characters are going to be just a little bit better at the end, just a little bit. Yeah. You know, just a little change. And done, my god, you know, the whole arc of the final season is him sort of shedding everything. His family is job, his stuff, and he ends up on the end of the continent. Yeah. The very end of the continent, and that's kind of when he realizes like, oh, wait, I'm really good at this job. I should probably just go back and do the job

that I'm really good at. And my question to you is having rewatched, and I don't know if you remember, but at the end, your, uh, John, let's everything go. Can you just tell me about the scene in the group, uh, the group therapy scene where that wonderful, uh, day player, sorry. I don't know his name,

“actor breaks down because he feels invisible. Can you tell me about that day and reading that?”

Because that's a big scene to do at the end of seven seasons with someone who's not, you don't know. I don't, I don't, that was the whole last half of that season for me. Was being away from everybody that I had spent 90 other episodes with. That's right. That's right. Slady and I did our last scene. It's kind of a, it's kind of a weird little nothing scene. It was just us and a bar talking about something, and I said, you know, it's our last scene together.

And he goes, what? Because it was like three episodes with what we were done. He's like, no, it isn't. I go, he goes now. I go, yeah. And it was, it's kind of great that it's just that,

that stuff for me and a lot of, a lot of, it was tremendously difficult because I was handling a lot of

personal mischievous in my life. A lot of craziness and just being on a show for that long is a lot. And saying goodbye to it. Saying goodbye to it. It's a grief. It's a grieving process. You know it very well. So that particular scene, and we were, we shot out of order. That wasn't the last thing we shot, obviously. But we, we were on location. We were up in Big Sur. Yeah. So we were even physically separated from, uh, most of the stages, all the stuff, um, our trailers, I was living in a hotel,

like it was, so it was like four, five days in Rome up there. And it was heavy. It was super heavy work. Yeah. Um, you, I very much felt the weight of the end of the show. Yeah. And the responsibility of like, don't fuck this up. You can fuck anything else up. But you can not fuck this up. This is the end of a very, very, very long story. And if you shit the bed on this, it's not going to, that will be what you are known for.

“Um, but I do remember that thinking that this kid is killing it. He was wonderful.”

And, um, everyone in there, there were a lot of like writers,

interests. And for the people that have never watched Mad Men, don't listen to this part.

But it is, there is a moment, John, to give too much away for people that haven't seen it, but I mean, it has been 20 years. But the where we're past the spoiler. John is like gone basically to like an excellent, like, retreat. And to basically, like to your point, he has lost everything. And he's in what is an early version of group therapy. And the closest he's ever had to actually really, truly sitting in his feeling. And a man, another man who doesn't

know is expressing this thing that John understands really well.

“Deep dissatisfaction. Deep un, un, um, what's the right word?”

Unworthy. Unworthy. Yes. Yeah. Maybe it's seen and not being loved.

In visibility, you said earlier, that whole kind of thing. And it's a refrigerator and all this, it's like, it's a beautiful piece of writing. Um, and it's incredibly emotional moment, not only for this man, but for Dawn, and there's a connection that they have. And okay, well, I want to slow it down, because, you know, I like to talk to the TV. By the way, I did not know that, but I can imagine. I'm an old man, an old man, an old man, an old man, an old man, a young, younger person's body.

But I paused in this moment. And I was just like, this is John hand. Like, I was like, this is, like, the, the moment when you approach and hug that man is such good acting. It's, it's like, John, it's so, so good. You, you did stick a landing. Well, like, you nailed it. I felt very, very good about what I did on the show. And it was like, it was like masculinity, which a lot of the show is about. And we are all, like, look, like, Dawn Draper, John Ham, Amy Polar, we're all like

living in a patriarchal world and trying to figure it out. And suffering in different ways. That moment when, like, two strangers men of that generation are hugging is so moving. Well, and it's because you don't really, Dawn gets there on, under such dress. And it's such a strange journey that he ends up there. And he's, he's lost this connection with his, his job. His, his family, his, his everything. It's really the sit-art of kind of moment of just shed everything and to discover

who you really are. And there's a moment. And of course, the, the opening sequence of the show is this man falling out of a building and everyone's like, this is where he does it. He's going to jump off the cliff. He's going to kill himself. This is the end of the show. He's going to die. And it's,

“it could have gone that way. I think there's a version of this story where Dawn doesn't get it”

and doesn't allow himself to understand it and is so overcome with his emotion and his feeling of an adequacy and failure and what he's, what he has failed at. As a, as a husband, as a friend, as a father, as a villain, the blank that he does do that. But he doesn't. He kind of takes it in, takes the moment, feels the feelings for real. And has the moment of clarity where he goes like, you know, and it's beautifully rendered with the coke add and the iconic kind of moment of

this. And it's like, this is who I am. I'm going to add, man. So he goes, you think he goes back, yeah. And where, what do you think happens for the rest of his life? Like, what is the,

Yes. I mean, for sure. I think he goes back. He is a successful advertising executive. And I think he finds happiness and peace. I think he connects with his children. Yes. As we know, Betty passes away. Yeah. You and January, you and January, you and Lizzy, you and Slattery, you and Christina. Incredibly incredibly lucky. One of my favorite scenes in the whole show is that the, the scene between I can't remember. I think it's season five, season four,

where we see Dawn and Joan kind of go out on a night on the town. It's incredible. I mean,

Dawn and Joan never had enough scenes together as far as I mean, that's what kind of made it great.

I know. There were like two or three. Everyone in that show is just pitch perfect. And, and you brought

“up the smoking. What did you have to smoke? They were like those fake herbal cigarettes. But I think”

somebody did somebody watch the pilot just to watch how many cigarettes smoke. I think it was something like 80 in a one hour pilot. So Parks and Recreation and Madman were on at the same time. We were fellow travelers and we shared, you and I shared two things. We shared a production designer in Dan Bishop, who did your show and did we used to brag like, oh, the bullpen of, you know, the offices of Parks and Recreation were designed by the same by the did Madman. People were like, cool. I can tell.

That was a big brag. And he's a good guy. And the other thing is that you and I were at a word shows many, many times on the losing end. On the losing end. And so I gotta get to use the slatteries questions. Sorry, I'm all over the place. But I gotta get a slatteries question. But before that, let's talk about losers lounge. Which you mentioned the very beginning. What was it? The losers lounge was a thing that we decided to do after being fed up with losing. Yeah.

Like, let's take, let's turn this frown upside down. Yeah. Let's not live in the we're not losers. We're winners. We're winners. Only losers lose. Only losers lose. And we are

“not losers. No way. So we decided that. And I, I still think this is a great idea. I think we”

should have patented it. And I think it should have been permanent. Yeah. That because also any awards night, there's way more people that lost than one. Oh, yeah. So we decided that there should be a celebratory place for the losers to hang out. The losers lounge. And if you wanted to come and you were a winner and you had a statue in your hand, you had to pay. Yeah, pitch, pay up. You had to pay up to charity. To charity. It was all a charity thing.

It was a lovely chair worldwide. Or friends I believe it was. That's right. And the rest of us could get in and have a good time for free. And it was a fun party. We so we threw a party a couple of years in a row. So we had a couple different places. We had a dance off. We had a pants off dance off. And everybody wanted to get in. And the highlight for me was, I think I told you the story. The

“highlight for me at the Emmys was the great my hero. I told Francis McDormand. One, four. I”

believe it was maybe Oliver Kitteradjure. One of the many incredible things. She done. She won.

And as she was walking up the aisle with her Emmys, she turned me and she goes, "Does this mean I can't go to the losers lounge?" And you said, "Yeah." And I was like, "Yeah. You're going to have to pay." And I was like, "She did." She did. She came and paid. That time of like being at those places together and losing was so fun because, of course, who cares. And also, everyone's work was so great. Everyone was such a big fan of everybody.

We were all doing great stuff. Because Tina was on 30 Rock at the time. You were doing parks. I was doing Madman. We had that one crazy fun night. I broke my toe. Were you broke your toe? Oh. And we were like, you and Tina and Claire Danes. And we were all dancing. Like insane people. Like it was the last night on Earth. Yeah. And I was, I just wanted to get on a plane the next day.

Okay. I described like getting on a plane and like looking at the floor and there's like a pile of hair.

She was like, "What happened?" I'm going to beat that. I had just had my second child.

God, I know. And I flew in for the weekend because I was, well, yeah, I must, I forget, I was in New York and I flew to California for the thing. I broke my toe on the bandcat dancing. I'm a mother of two. I can't. I can't walk in the airport. I'm like, I wake up the next morning. I'm like, I can't walk. Oh, boy. I have to get on the plane. I mean, I put like a hand on

This is like too much. So I'm like, walk away and I hear Amy and I look in its Bradley Cooper. I'm a lovely Brad. He goes, Amy and I'm like, hey, and I look at him. Oh, it's my Amy. So I'm going around and I'm like, hey, Brad, are you okay? And I'm like, no, I'm very, very bad. I'm very, very bad. And so he has to hold me like an old, like talk about old lady, like hold my elbow while I got a little escort and I got a little escort. I got an A-Lister escort. Wow. That was a fun night. Amy?

It's the last thing you, the last word you wanted to hear. Oh, but, but worth it worth it worth it.

“I don't know, I'll never forget that night. Well, it was more and was there and then moving”

and grooving. Yeah. It was a dance. We had a time. Okay, let's talk about you hosting us in elbow. And I mean, you're, are you a five-chimer? Four. I just had my fourth. I took, I took three and two years. Mm-hmm. Took a 15-year I guess. Yeah. And, and came back this last, uh, this last year. It's been said. And I think, I've been listening to the Seth's thing with Andy and the boys,

and they're lonely. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was an amazing, your time there was an amazing

time there. They're all great. You, you can't, you literally can't stack them up against none, because they're all different and they're all great. But it was so fun to be there with you, with Maya, Bill, Fred, Will, Kristen. Yeah. I mean, Seth, those guys, you guys were I felt like we were just talking about speaking the same language. It was like, I felt so comfortable. Mm-hmm. There. Mm-hmm. Which was, you know, part of, part of it was

you're a guest in somebody's home. Mm-hmm. So you don't want to be too comfortable. Where you're kind of being shitty. Um, but I really did feel welcomed there. I mean, because first of

all, I'm sure you've told this story, but pitch on Monday, my first time hosting,

you guys all roll in and costume. Oh, that's right. Let's tell that story, Zadman costume. We all decide to dress up as the people for it. Sixties gear for pitch Monday night, which is 35 people in a room, maybe a little bit bigger than this. Yeah. So sitting on the floor on the sofa, everything, everyone is in 1960s, period gear. Yeah. Hater was in drag. Oh, yeah. He looks was in drag as Joan. He lets her jump. John Lutz. Right. Her pawlipel had a cigarette taped to her finger

because she didn't know how to smoke, so she's like, I just taping. And she would pitch like this. I, and I was, I didn't know this wasn't normal. Right. I was like, this is okay.

“You know what? They put it on. I don't remember. That's what you do on Monday. I thought it was a”

whole thing. Okay. Well, nice. This is so fun. And that was the beginning of a wonderful relationship, not only with that show, but with so many of you guys sitting around that whole week,

shooting with Jim Signorelli, Europe 95 months pregnant. Yeah. And we've told the story a million

million times, but the fast version is Friday. I was supposed to do the show on Saturday. Yeah. And then there was no doubt in your mind that you were not having this baby before. Yeah. Like, there'll be fun. Women listening. It's, you know, your first kid, you assume you're going to be if at least a few days late. I was weirdly feeling good. I was told you're not going to be giving birth on before your due date. No way. Go finish your last show. Kill it on Saturday.

And my feet up. Yeah. My first lesson in Mother Ang which was like, nope. Nothing goes away.

“I think it's going to go. And I really did think I would do the show on Saturday. And then”

give birth on Sunday. And Friday night. We were shooting Friday night. And we're doing like a pre tape when I got a call for my OBGYN. Office of your OBGYN's office. My beloved OBGYN passed away that night. And so, you know, for people who don't know, you get really connected to your doctor. And you kind of think about your first plan. And you think about how it's going to go. And all of a sudden, you know, you realize, well, you realize two

things. One is that a lot of people can deliver a baby. Yeah. And two, um, Seth had what in the lobby. That's right. Seth said, Seth is in the lobby. That's right. But he didn't have it. No, he didn't. Fair true. He didn't have it. He didn't have it. He wore the same jeans that day that he wore the next day. Um, no, but um, yeah, a lot of people can do this. And I got the news in my OBGYN and died. I started to cry. I mean, heavy sobbing, right, which is horrifying. A giant pregnant woman

really, really sad. But this is a big fucking deal for me. She better pull your shit together.

And that's the face she made immediately, which I was like, talk about in the world of big swings.

“That's a big one. That to me is, and I've written about it. That's why you had the baby. That's”

something happened because you laughed that hard. I think so. I think a big hard laugh. I was, I was like, please, let this go. Please, let this go well. And to me, the crying to laughing switch a room, that's like, we get about, we get a funeral life where we're really, really deeply sad. And then someone says something to make us laugh. And that, those two against each other feels like, I think it extends your life. The Friday night was like, because everybody's so punchy

by them. It was, and I wouldn't, you couldn't drag me on that studio. I was having the greatest time.

Yeah. I mean, now it brings me to Slattery's question, which is, which I thought was just a such a sweet question, which is, and kind of back to what we were talking about about this idea of like finding community and family in places all different kinds of places. But he was, his question to you, his question was like, who do you look for for answers when you're feeling frazzled or lost? Because I was saying, you have a big brother, you have a big brother,

vibe with a lot of people. He feels like a big brother to you, but he was saying, I feel like,

“I, I think a lot about like, what would John do you hear? Like, he takes a lot of counsel from you.”

Who do you look, where do you go? Where do you go? That's a really good question. I don't have a, I don't think I have a, have a go to, honestly. I've been on my own in one where another for a very long time. So I, I'm, I'm very self-dependent. I think part of my therapeutic journey has been sometimes to a fault where I won't reach out. I'll just, I can, I got it. Yeah. I'm learning to get better at that for sure.

But people, uh, like Lauren, for sure. Lauren, I've definitely reached out to when I've had instability in my life. And you know, part of the magic of that man is that it's, he's so inscrutable and so Canadian, uh, that it's a co-an in some way. You know, you get some kind of weird thing to look like. But it's like a co-an. Yeah, like a Zen co-an, you know what that is? It's like a saying that, you know, how do you spell that? K.O.A.N. I don't know that word. Sorry, co-an.

Obviously, because I don't, I don't have a great definition of word. A paradoxical anecdote question or dialogue. Yeah. Well done, okay. So, so he holds, say, you know, eventually, you'll just be on the t-shirt. What? You know, it's, you know, it's that thing where you let go and suddenly you're finding yourself on Mulholland. And then maybe Mick will come by and you'll say, go, "Great." Everybody does with it, but it's so great. But people like that, I find that I,

very much enjoy talking to my elders. Yeah. Yeah. I was not to be super-named dropy, but last night

“had an amazing dinner at the Brookheimer-saster, Brookheimer, who produced Top Gun? I think he worked for”

Jerry. Yeah. Have you? Not that to my knowledge. What's the, the squeakless? No. There was, um,

yeah, Jerry. I never met Jerry in the booth when I was Ellen Orr in the squeak. Well, I don't know.

But Jerry, thanks for the job. Didn't know that you were the person that hired me. Thank you for the job. I can really job. Sorry that I dressed up as Ellen Orr when I came in for the audition. You've been into monster hits. Bridesmaids. Bridesmaids, you're so funny in it. What a funny, what a incredible movie. Yeah. I mean, some fun movies for sure. A big fun movies. Hi, I love you. How did you learn how to do a Boston accent? How did you?

I don't know, like anybody just, not like anybody. People can't do it really well. Well, I mean, I famously did it in the town, but I was making fun of Ben. That was the, that was part of why I was, for me, my guy wasn't supposed to be from Boston. Right. When I met all those FDI guys. Yeah. None of them, the Boston PD guys are from Boston. The PD, the local. Even the way you're saying Boston is the correct way to say, well, I trust me, we were immersed in Boston. Oh, yeah, you do a

movie in Boston. Everybody's in the movie. Yes, indeed. Yeah, cousin. Yeah, everyone. And we gotta get fun and talk about making a movie about Charleston. Mm-hmm. Holy moly. Yeah. Talk about the guys coming out of the word. I, you've been told me, uh, we were going to, uh,

friend, we're here. Yeah. We're here. We're here. Where's the paycheck? Yeah. And where's craft

service? Yeah. That's, nobody said anybody said anybody. Yeah, they said we're in the job. Don't work. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're like, you feel okay. We had guys that would show up and then we're like, oh, but I can't shoot here. I'm up and roll. I guess too close to a bank. You're like, oh, okay. Sorry. Oh, man. There were some characters. And it was blast. It was a blast. And what about um, 30 rock working there? Let's, uh, Tina Fey. The show or the

Tina Fey discuss Tina, I credit Tina along with Lauren for allowing me to be in comedies. Uh,

nobody thought it's not like when you do madmen. They're like, I bet that guy's real funny.

He's probably got a bunch of impressions and bits and jokes. True. You're very serious in madmen.

“I mean, yes. So when Lauren asked me to host the show, I was like, oh my god. That's the only thing I've”

ever wanted to do since I was since ever was beyond Saturday in my life. So I was very excited. And then as we discussed, you guys very welcoming, here we are, the everyone's in costume. It's very funny. The, you know, read through that week, the packet of 50, I think you're right next to me. I can't remember where you sat. So so fun. And then, uh, I remember, I think it was after read through or maybe it was on Thursday. But I was going down to the to eight to do blocking something.

And the phone in my then the dressing rings, Jesus, that's weird. It's like going to hotel phone rings. She was calling me. It was calling in the room. This is very weird. And I picked it up. I was like, hello. Hello. Is it John? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Hi. It's Robert Carlack. We just want to know

“if you wanted to come do this thing on 30 Waka. Uh, we're, it's kind of love interest for, for Liz and”

we're, I was like, huh? Like the other thing that I wanted to be on is that. And Tina, I'm been out to me, he had called more and after read through and says, guys, funny. How is this guy? As Tina is want to do, like give me the straight open and Lauren. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's like when you're in that space. We were on parallel tracks. Like we shot our pilots in the same studio at Silvercup. Right. Um, so we kind of, we were, and, and they were

one for comedy and we were winning for drama. And it was like that man, 30 Waka, man, 30 Waka was great. Well, you weren't winning, but they were just the show. You and that was a good one. So,

losers aren't. Thank you. Tina's love language is writing incredible material that you

get to do. Like that's like how she's like, it's like, it's the nicest gift is that she fucked you. I recently got a text from Tina. That was the beginning of my character arc on the show. Where I played a perfectly normal human being. Now, cut to season, whatever, where I have two hooks for hands and then follow and the reason I've hooks for hands is because I thought I recognized my old football coach when I was getting out of the helicopter and I weighed.

“Yeah, twice. So, she was like, remember when this guy was”

a normal person. And then the last thing I want to ask you about, because I love it, is I loved you at the Super Bowl in joy. Bad Bunny. And I loved people. Bad Bunny came at a time where for a lot of people, it was like, we're, we're, you know, we're looking for something. Anything. Any, any expression of joy would be helpful. So, without there, any exactly, any artistic expression of joy, I knew you were a huge fan of his, you went, like, what was it like watching

that and tell me what you're doing here? Oh, she's why. My wife, Anna, who I met on the last episode of Mad Men. Okay, can you tell everybody who she played in the last episode? The receptionist of the Esselin-like place, the girl with the pig tails, who then gets put in the Coca-Cola commercial. Yes. So, this woman clearly has an effect on Don and clearly had an effect on John. We ended up getting married at the same place, same location. No. Yes, ma'am. They better

give me that for free. We worked out at it. It was a beautiful magical experience and lovely. So, Anna had gone to Columbia with her sister and her best friend on that girl's trip.

butts and have a good time. And they were like, there's this, this guy that keeps playing bad

“bunny. No one had heard of me. It's like 2018. He wasn't even played on the”

reggaeton stations in in LA or New York. No one had heard of him. And we had started to kind of see each other a little bit here in there and we go out in New York City and they'd play me this pattern. Who is this? Our text thread is called bad bunnies. That was just our first, and I was like, I can dig this guy's energy sound, whatever. So, over the course of our relationship, this is the soundtrack to our relationship. Oh, that's so nice. So, it's, and it's, it's just organic. It wasn't.

Yeah. So, we had heard about he had hosted the show where he was a guest on the show on SNL. Got it. Got to go to that. We found out he was doing this residency in Puerto Rico.

I was like, and to honest, great credit. She's always like, what if we did that? And it was last.

“Yeah. That was the first time I went viral in the Casita dancing. Dancing. Just dancing. It was fun, man.”

He's fun. He's fun. We had a dance party. I love the girls. I love dancing. Me too. And so, there's, as you said, the world was a little, it's a little of a bomber. A lot of a bomber. Yeah. A boy, man. For 15 minutes of that half time show. Yeah. And what a message. And what, and, and, and nothing. You forget that he had to perform that. No kidding. I mean,

he's always sing along to a track or whatever. Like, no, no, no. He was jumping off a roof, climbing

on a pole, spike in a football. You're doing a trust fall. Doing a trust fall? Like, a real one. Not a fake one. Up in the air. It's so much fun. 10 out of 10, no notes. Perfectly executed. Then you go and you listen to the words. And you're like, oh, man. That's a nice sentiment as well. Yeah. Maybe if we look back in five years, this is the tipping point. And if it is, what a kick-ass thing to do. Yeah. Remind everybody that maybe together is a little better than

siloed in a part. Yeah. And that joy is kind of great. And then there's a million ways to be an American, and that music is like, like, that one music does that. Yeah. I feel like, you know, I mean, I know you feel this way about music, too. Like, there's something about music that can short cut. Yeah. In a way. Universal language. I say it. Oh, it's because it doesn't matter what kind. It doesn't matter what it is. It can be aggressive. It can be soothing. It can be all of the

things. But man, when it hits the right buttons, feels good. One home on one seat to Hamiltonian. I do speak Spanish. Pretty well. You do. Pretty well. I've had it. I learned it in high school,

and then I worked in a million restaurants in Los Angeles. Yeah. And then you get really good at it.

Do you have a concert in accent? Like a, is it? Do you have, you know, Spanish, a little more than that. I learned a lot from the past. And the last question I have

“for you is, what are you laughing at these days? What are you watching that's making you laugh?”

And it can be, it doesn't have to be. You know what I watched recently, that really made me laugh and I think you would really like it's a show out of Canada called heated revenue. No, it's not that. That's a bit. That's called a bit. But it does have to do. It is Canadian and does have to do the hockey. It's a show called Shorsey. Oh, I love Shorsey. That is making me laugh. And you know what? It's awesome. Can we do? Yeah. Cry. It's making, it's a really, it's a great show. Okay. I've only watched

clips of Shorsey because, you know, I, I, I've seen him on six episodes a season. Oh, really? Oh, I love that. You can watch all of them in a half a day. And I, him. Okay. Let's watch. So Jared Kiso. Okay. Tell me more. Was on a show created a show called Letter Kenny, which is a very, very Canadian show. Yes. But very specifically funny. Maybe not to everyone's taste. As, as, as, as things should be. Yeah. Communities were very subjective. Subjective. And the reason he did this

was because he came to LA and they were like, you're too Canadian. You're too this or too that and he's like, fuck, I'm going to go back home and I'm going to make my own show. And he did. And then he spun it off

on the local men's hockey team. And it's kind of the point of pride for the small town in Northern

“Ontario that they live called Sudbury. And the, over the course of the, of the series, they,”

they win the championship and he becomes a coach and he tries to teach the kids. And it's, it's a tremendous show because it, it highlights most of the people in power that are running things are women. Mm-hmm. Many of them are First Nations Indigenous Canadians. And it's not made a big deal of it just is. Yeah. And his relationship to all of that while being this, yeah, bruiser is very soft. Yes. Yes. I mean, I'm seeing this real high pitch voice and it's really kind of funny.

He always loves people. They're always interrupting. They're always, and they're overlapping

dialogue is really tremendous. It's a tremendously ambitious show that delivers. So I, I'm, I'm trying to pump their tires a little bit. I want to find no vaccines where he's, um,

“hitting on, uh, oh, when he hits on, on the girl who, who he really loves. It's so, I'll make you feel”

in Laura. I'll make you so happy. Okay. That's the stuff that I see. And it's so funny. It's such a funny move. But it's also like, it's also deeply sentimental and heartfelt. Agreed. That was, I was like, oh, I want to watch the show because his move, his comedy move is like, I'm going to love you so hard. And she's just like, I'm not interested. And it's so good. Do you know what I enjoy the perks that come along with that? It's summer and Sunday. It's not fucking play a del Carmen. It's not fucking

a little horizontal. But I need to be sure that you're sure. Oh, so good. So good. Such a good show. Okay. We're going to check that out. Um, well, John Ham. Amy polar bear. But he, I don't have a lot of straight men on the show. So, I break down a lot of doors a lot of walls. You know, I'm, that's,

“nice. You know, um, and uh, I should probably, but the guys you do are great. Everybody's too.”

Great. All of our buddies. Yeah. I know. All of our buddies. It's, it's nice to be, uh,

first of all. It's so great to see you. I, I really do miss you. Um, we don't hang out enough.

You know, I'm glad we got this one in, um, same. You are the best in the biz. And, uh, back at you. You consistently make me smile and happy. And I look forward to your new show, which I know is coming up. I was talking to sure about that. We didn't even talk about your friends and neighbors. Season three coming out. It's so great. It's so funny. Congratulations on another big show for Apple. Yeah. Season three starting. We're starting out in, uh, in, uh,

late April. Season two will come out in early April. And it's very fun. It's so fun. Stuff shooting in New York City. I know, but lots of nights. Yeah. Well, it's a nice place. Oh, I saw on that first season. I was like, oh, we have to break in and they, they, uh, they, they, they almost broke me on that one. I bet. I was like, we got to find a way to break into these houses during the day. Well, I'm very happy to call myself one of your chosen sisters. Ham. You're happy. I'm happy to

be one of them. So thanks for doing this. Thank you. Love you. Love you, too. Thank you so much, John Ham. It was so good to have you and see you and, um, I love talking to you. And, you know, um, John and I talked about a lot of things. And I mentioned a very brief anecdote about probably my favorite actress, Francis McDormand. And so for this polar plunge, I just wanted to remind you all how great she is. I just rewatched no mad land the other night. And, oh, God,

that is a good performance. She's just good in everything. She's so interesting and smart and just

so cool and, uh, Francis, if you're listening, I love you. Um, never change. Please, uh, I'm just a

big fan of your work. And, um, and check out Francis's work. You know, it's these kind of polar plunge is, thank you Francis for your work and thank you John Ham for coming today and for your work. And thank you just for, oh my God, I don't know how to end this. Okay, bye everybody. You've been listening to Good Hang, the executive producers for this show are Bill Simmons, Jenna Weissberman and me, Amy Poler. The show is produced by the ringer and paper kite.

For the ringer, production by Jack Wilson, Kat Spelaine, Kaya McMillan, NLA as an iris. For paper kite, production by Sam Green, Joel Lovell, and Jenna Weissberman. Original music by Amy Miles.