Keke Palmer

Hello, everyone.

“Welcome to another episode of Good Hang.”

Very, very excited about our guest today. It is the great Kiki Palmer. Kiki can do anything and is in everything. She's currently in the movie, I love boosters. And in the TV show, The Burbs.

She has her podcast, baby. This is Kiki Palmer. And she is, she's going to be in space balls. She hosts past work. She's incredible.

We talk about so many fun things today. We talk about being vurgos and the noblest oblige that comes along with that. We talk about Mary J. Blige and what it's like to get into your anger. We talk about her season of restraint and what that looks like. We have such a good time and she has to go to the bathroom in the middle of it,

which has never happened before.

And just goes to show how comfortable she was. That makes me so happy. But before we get into it, we always talk to somebody who knows our guest who loves our guest wants to speak well behind their back and ask him a question. And we have a friend of the pod, writer, actress, queen,

Paula Pele, who is zooming in, who loves Kiki and wants to tell us all about it. And I'm hoping right now is, is zooming in from her, you know, her new only fans account, one can only hopes. So Paula, are you? Paula, Paula, can you hear me, darling?

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Hi! Yes! What if we just do that for ten minutes? Hey! Hey! Hey! Oh, what up, did I shit? No, you're on.

I am. What? Oh, boy. Why is my am I off now? I can see you. You can't see me.

Well, they ask, all they do. Oh, here it is.

“All they do is ask me for another AI thing. Do you want?”

I know. I had such a, I know we've talked about this. I had such a PTSD about trying to sign my kids in during COVID to, like, various portals that I had a portal melt down the other day. I know we all talk about it, but it, oh my god. There's got to be a word that's going to be made for, like,

technological misery. It's every single time I agree to do a Zoom and then I'll get an email, like, ten seconds before and it says, "This is going to be on Collender." And I'm like, "I'm sorry, Collender."

I mean, one of the real ones is blue jeans. Nothing against blue jeans. But, like, I was like, "Dude, I'm sorry, blue jeans." And like, all you need to do is download this app and go to a portal. Now, we're going to be on Werther's original, so if you want,

but you are going to have to do a breathalyzer under your computer. You do have OS 7-8, right? Yeah, it's like, yeah, old Navy, I'm cool with you remembering my password. I'm like, bitch, I gotta, I got an Apple clamshell. I got a teal Apple clamshell.

Would you like a new password? This one feels like you use it a lot.

“It's like, yeah, because it's the only way I can remember.”

Do you think I can remember it if I don't use it for every device? I want a plug in an outlet. I want a plug in. Yeah, I tried to buy an old-fashioned alarm clock. I couldn't find one.

Couldn't find a friggin alarm clock. I tried to take my blood pressure and a new blood pressure cuff, I bought. Six feet, great. And I was feeling a little off, 'cause I had a couple of drinks, got real busy.

And I was like, something's wrong. I drank two drinks in the hot, in the hot sun, really quick. I feel weird. But I got it out and it was so complicated. And so many apps and profiles to fill out.

We have to know this information about you before we do this, before you do, and I'm just like, I'll be dead by then. I know, by the way, you're making me want to get a blood pressure cuff. I'm definitely getting that. It's, it's supposed to do all these things.

And of course, when I'm on the internet, I, I offer every, the funniest one lately is that during the snow,

like violently.

“And every single video was like, immediate, like snow is immediately,”

like, like, in a racer off your windshield.

And I got them and they were like this big. And they knew like this. And I got like four of them and was going to gift them to people. And we were laughing so hard because it was like, this is the biggest fucking rip off.

Oh my god, the weakest fan. The weakest fan is a good reality. The weakest fan now on Fox. And they're just really weak. Paula Pell is here, Paula, it's so good to see you.

It's so good to see you. We're talking about Kiki today. We have got Kiki Palmer and I was saying this, and I know you would agree. Love her. She's so good.

I'd so many things. Her hyphenates have hyphenates. I know. Like, we're looking at her body of work. It's like Broadway and singing and writing and podcasting and acting.

And also just her being herself, like all of the hosting that she does. All the way that she is someone else and herself. She's I was trying to fake, you know. And I was like, she's like an old school entertainer. She really is.

I wanted to talk to you today because you guys worked together on the burbs. And I know, you know, I know you are this way. And I imagine maybe we'll find out Kiki is this way too. But, you know, there's no better gift than getting to do what we want with people who are professional and nice.

It's like all you're hoping for.

“And I remember you saying right away that like working with her was so pleasant.”

What was it like to work together on the burbs? Oh, it was and it was. And it is, I mean, the whole foot we're getting ready in October to shoot the second season of it.

But it it remains like such an incredible joy that there is no there's no dark side to it.

Like because she is she's so nonstop in terms of what she's creating and what she's doing in the world that like you watch her and you're just like you know and she's raising a little darling boy. And it's like she is so nonstop but yet so present in each thing. Even when she's multitasking and getting her her hair and makeup done in the trailer and she's also on a podcast and she's also talking about her music video from her album that's coming out.

And it's like sometimes when people are like that you watch them and I think it's my age too where I'm just like, how do they do all that and just if you sit and talk to her about anything genuine, he's right there. She wants to talk about it.

“She wants to hear what you have to say about it.”

She'll hold hands she'll you know we've gotten tearful together in the makeup trailer talking about our lives and find you know and and and what we won't tolerate anymore and love and and you know just there's so many good things that I've derived from just being in her presence truly I was getting my hair blown out at a dry bar and I sat down by the way congrats on your hair. I just want to point out again most beautiful hair in the biz next to Tina I'd love to see you

guys fight it out. Okay sorry content. Half of it is blonde right now and half of it this is this is God's colorist right here. But who is this gorgeous woman? God's colorist. She's kind of almost transparent and she's just very weird. I'm in dry bar while we're doing while we're doing the verbs and I sit down and a kilo and the be as on and I look up and I see baby kiki

like braces and glasses and just like having this incredible touching scene with an adult

Oscar winning actor just like the two of them have in this quiet scene together and I'm just like she she was born fully cooked she was she was born kiki Palmer that I know. So excited to talk to her because she is exactly what you just said she it feels like she's just very good at talking and being in the moment and connecting she's like she's a real connector. Yeah and she's positive in a way that's not bullshity like she she's positive in the way that you say oh cheerfulness is a choice

and it's a constructive choice it's it's a choice that actually changes your trajectory of your day if you look at it and say grateful, cheerful, joyful and and that gratitude thing she just lives through that all the time of like I can't believe we're gonna get to we get to do that you know and then and you want that because there's nothing worse than working with people in

you're doing at the moment and you just want to slap my heart across the face are you hope that in the script you get to so you can privately have the status fetch do you have a question for kiki you're very good questions what does it look like for kiki Palmer to rest like not exhaustion not I can't even see I'm so exhausted I have to lay down but like her restorative rest like for her to describe her favorite restorative rest that is a great question I cannot wait to ask

her I know she'll be thrilled that we talked and I because I know she loves you right back thanks P love you and kiki a big kiss for me I will this episode is brought to you by all state

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air both vergos yeah and I mean you've you've named an album I mean you're going to see you know we have them we have the vergo to see what our vergo tendencies let's go see them work we can kind of be not all it's fine it's fine it's fine we just see things yeah just so right away yeah we want you to know but we got us hold it in yeah we are great organizers in our own way it doesn't know how you like talk to me about how you like to

organize I know you loved or I started a beautiful house oh my gosh tell me what your new favorite way to organize is like oh like is there a system labeling everything okay talking on the labeling like everything has a particular place in spot contact skin masks once for hydration once for exfoliation we're talking during the bathroom yeah when the bathroom everything is organized even by my bedside supplements at the top all my like i masks like getting ready to

wind down and underneath is the journal I even have written out my cycle things you know what I

need for them what's up food I should be eating at the time I can always get shocked when people

tell me that they don't write out or like think about what they have to do the next day or what like I can't I can't I don't understand how people organize their days without a list I don't either and I'm so weird to imagine that that's so specific to a personality type yeah it's me seems like the only human way to function but yeah I guess we're one of one or a group of one well I uh there are some very important vergo's in the world you are one of them be on

to ask one of them come talk about Kobe Bryant Kobe Bryant mother Teresa we've been having a spherical round I always need people to know that because it's more than entertainment we even have a strong parade up Virgo you know and look I'm not going to go there but I heard that we celebrated all Christmas but I heard that Jesus made with one of September I swear I swear

“that's what I heard Capricorn is like the claim of but we really have him we know the true”

we know that Jesus kept his eye mass it's very separate from his kindness you can't have the crew like that you can't be you know what I mean you can't have that sort of harder version he was running a lot of things a lot of sand he was like you go over here you go we're here I'll turn this to this work or straight up turn this to this okay I'll take care of it I'll

take care of it it's you know it the other thing I just I'm constantly always looking for

systems I know you like this I love a good girl I love a good system I'm like telling me how you do it I just found something I take talk then I'm obsessed with which is it's the steel container that you keep next year's stove and you're cooking you know that you put like your utensils in there's a whole thing about like what are the six utensils that you need next to your stove that like you use every day and when I tell you that I have spent hours shopping for what is

the best in only bachelor like what are the six cooking tools I want I support that self support

“that is that to me is a day well spent I love that kind of thing because honestly it's really”

about optimization I think we're actually fighting for ease even though it seems like we're making our life more difficult by doing these things yeah these things are actually on the path of ease because when you already set up you don't have to think about it you don't well that's the actually the theme of what I want to talk to you about today is this idea of exactly that like

it's much better going forward in session and rest and ease yeah those two things because they are you need a bolt double side they're a black and white cook you got to have both and I got to tell you Kiki I texted you on the way over here whatever I have your phone number no we deal and I'm crazy and I because I had such a peaceful feeling I had such a peaceful feeling coming to talk to you I was like I know that whatever we talk about is going to be funny and real

and you're so easy to be around and I talk to you thank you for that I know it's not easy to be an easy person to be around sometimes if that makes any sense but what I what I know about

you always is that you bring very open and curious version of yourself all the time and you're

so talented and funny like Kiki you are so fucking funny you are like an old fashioned one of a kind entertainer who can do it all you're like Martin Troy you're like any more feel like oh I like

“uh come on Bob I feel I live for the old fashioned because that's how I grew up I know you're so”

bold yes there it is that's it says you are like that's how I love that vibe you can do it all you're a Swiss army knight you're nothing you can't you Kiki but I think you do too many things okay I do because it's all so true you like a white cookie you are a Michael you're a visionary you're a mogul by the way I was with Rashida the other night and she told me that she's at your house to stay with you yes she told us and she was like hey we told you guys are going to be talking

so that's I'm not going to say my girl it was so good to see her she's so interesting with me for

while it's so nice okay we're going to talk about the usual we're going to talk about the past we're going to talk about I want to know right now like today what was your morning like what do you do in the morning what's your system in the morning this was a great day okay let's hear about it so last night I got to bed at a pretty good time let's talk about some so I was happy about that how much sleep do you like to get I mean if I can get to sleep at 10

30 I'm really happy oh that's a really really happy totally last night I got to bed at 11 pm that's still a pretty good one pretty good you know so I went to sleep I had my alarm clock set at 7 15 and then 7 30 what kind of alarm clock are we talking I used to be

“well I'm going to say it got as too much you need to be nicer to yourself yeah so now it's like”

so that's a little nicer you know what I mean I have it on loud because I was planning to go to Pilates which I made I'm so happy I went to my one of my favorite studios actually that's a lie it is my favorite studio format I love it so much so I went at 8 a.m. that's so good about my life myself because you know I feel good when I get a little bit of a workout in and Pilates is perfect because it's not too intense like I'm not like trying to lose my life I want to tell you

becoming a Pilates instructor yes girl what I feel like that one clip or somebody's in person and he over her and they're like I think I did a sketch about that or am I had to do it or am I kicking your Pilates instructor girl because I fell so in love with it and it became such a big part of my life that I'm like I mean I want to be a part of giving other people this feeling because it's really really helped me it's helped me too I do Pilates and it is one of those things

it makes me feel connected to my actual body because I can feel a little disembodied girl me too I mean I think we have a lot of similarities I'll try not to harp on the entire interview but I do think we do and one of them is like I need to like I'm like like do you like to be smushed oh my gosh I clushed together with a body or like just like like a heavy thing on you like hmm okay yes okay do you like to stand a little bit like do you put your feet under cushion

yes I put my feet under cushions you like to be smushed up against my jaw yeah just to feel oh my gosh it's so because when you're when you're living up here sometimes you have to be reminded I have a body yes it's so nice you have Pilates really do that do you think that this is something about why we like comedy do you think that that's connected to a question that's a great question

“I mean that's why I think I always enamored with dancers as dancers are always like in”

their bodies like thinking about their bodies moving them and you can see how they move they're just they're inside their bodies and I think you're right comedy a lot of it is like like you're the that's what's we're up in that air with it like it's fun to be the disembodied but then sometimes what I've learned with myself and what Pilates helped me to realize is that I've got to have some more balance with this because it's fun to be weak because sometimes you need to be weak yeah

but then it's like you need to also really have the practices that remind you that it's safe and side too totally it's great to do the hundreds really fast

by the way it's time to work out okay you're hosting an amazing podcast and have for many years

I know I'm learning a lot about you know even how I communicate how operate what I bring to the

what have you learned about yourself from talking all these people well you know I feel like I always

knew that I like to talk but I didn't know that it was something people enjoyed you know what I mean so I feel like I was so surprised um and delightfully surprised that people would want to hear

“conversations because that's what I love to have yeah as I feel like the podcast I mean you”

know when you're going to any podcast that is time to talk and it's time to get into something interesting not everyone not everyone does that right like I feel like you and I could talk forever and ever that's not always the case with people who come in to talk and it's fascinating to sit in the talk to tolerate yeah the silence of it too it's hard and that's hard for me you know

a lot of um some people have asked me about that with the guests well you know do you enjoy every

single guest and I do but every guest is different so the level of enjoyment is also predicated on how much they're willing so you're right that sometimes you know it's not that it's not a great time but it's that maybe this person's not that opening and that's okay I'm going to meet them where they are and still we're going to have a great time well that's what you can do so well is meet people where they are and mirror people like their energy I find sometimes you know

my my like codependency it's hard for me to not fill in a silence and then you're like in your head you're like shhh quiet now quiet quiet and I can't I can't stop talking that's the regulator that's like I gotta regulate this it's like rhythm and I think about this all the time as a as a performer like I think we're constantly in rhythms yeah so it's like when we hear down be we like oh shit and you're trying to make Beth real fast like why are we now can you say make

Beth in a podcast is that bad luck like he gets you know so yeah but but but but but sometimes it's like

“that's what it needs to be yeah I'm also in a season of practicing restraint”

or I'm trying to I'm when I say you're I'm raining my shit in my name is Rudolph but I'm raining and he said I'm restraint season of restraint okay what does that look like how what I I feel that so God I just so hard it's like seeing something and knowing something and not saying it you know having a conversation and deciding to let reality show me instead of pulling for more asking for more you know if it doesn't feel good right if I have to

contort myself or pushing order for it to happen deciding that that that that I should pull back you know what I mean and it's and I and I'm really happy that I'm in this season and I and again I

always bring everything back to my son but my son is really bringing out the best in me because

as a mom I feel like we had to practice restraint that's right because we got to let our kids learn

“things that's right we can't always step in the way and so that's teaching me that what even”

I probably should be pulling back in a lot of areas in my life and not only will that actually be a better service to the things that are part of but I'll also have more energy oh yeah when it's time for me and it's a hard lesson it was a hard lesson for me to learn which is actually people feel closer to you when they get to take care of you which farf I mean like like like like like like like like I was like what what am I so at what do you mean I know I was like what do

you mean I take care of people that's my love language and it's like no what are you going to do for me you're not going to do it right I gotta do it I know I sometimes feel like you an obligation that nobody's asking for by the way people are asking it if me but an obligation to mirror match and take care of people and then secondly speaking of Rashida Kodada her sister taught me this she was like you cut the cords when you get home right when you started talking about business

that says give us a break in the list of drawn hearts and a twitch my show my girl these are good rituals do you know it's a relationship even a family member yeah whatever it the thing you feel like is hooked to you yeah for me I was imagining the cord of this relationship that I felt was weighing me down it was not good for me I was feeling too emotionally pulled from it constantly so she walked me through visualizing the cord and it was like

the cord was thick it was like the weight of a ton it was like thick like almost leather it could fill it right around my my my my my sacral area you know I mean it's it's deep it's deep rooted to my power source and I just sat there to say you know I need to I need to I need to not I need to I need to my fucking axe to cut this shit so I just started visualizing when this

it would try to rejuvenate you so I kept accident accident and now it's gone it's no longer there but these visualization tools are absolutely necessary for me it's more about like that feeling when you walk through a cobweb and you get that like feeling where you've got a cobweb on you and

“you're like and you know it's around in this kind of sticky I think that way sometimes when I walk”

through my house which is I got to get rid of other people's cobwebs and it can be like person that you walk past to the yeah shity look or a bad conversation or even just like some version of yourself that you didn't like that day that kind of feeling of entering a threshold clean and clear whatever it takes my grandma I didn't realize this until I got old and I started

to reflect back my grandma used to always do tell me and teach me to sweep in front of the porch

and sweep in back at a porch and it was just like this same kind of concept of removing everything making sure you know it's clean you know cleaning your space and kind of setting the tone and setting the area I think those things like getting back into that stuff and talking with other women about that kind of thing is just feel so empowering it's so good for the soul you know what I mean okay I feel like you got a lot of this like really good

sense of how to read people from Chicago yeah where you grew up and I bet a lot of people don't assume you're from the Midwest they don't they don't but I feel like I give me what's the most

“Midwest thing about you well I love the mundane like I love simplicity yes and that's why”

people always like they always are interested in my dating life or you know what type it's like

I'm always interested in everyday joe because that reminds me of where I'm from and that doesn't mean everyday joe's not special it just means that he's not flashy he's not flamboyant he's not taken up you know he might take up space because he's awesome but he's not like that's not how he enters or at I feel like that's Chicago is very blue-collar it's very like people are amazing and awesome but they're kind of like no big deal totally I love that kind of energy with people don't

have to put on to watch you know I'm saying it could be themselves and I can give a little jazz but it doesn't have to be like for a certain thing it's just them being a cool person I love like you know picnics yeah going to the lake you know being in a trailer I love a trailer I love going like around a role trip type of situation like just things that I feel like very very salt of the earth who is a Chicago star that you saw when you were there like Bernie Mac oh my god can we talk

about Bernie Mac Bernie Mac baby Bernie Mac baby Bernie Mac Chicago legend love Bernie Mac Bernie Mac rest in peace rest in peace we love Bernie he was he hosted us and he was so nice Bernie so much tell me how why he was important to you and how you meant because he was like

actually never met Bernie Mac I didn't get to meet him which is devastating you know it's devastating

I have a couple of those people too are like hot I didn't meet with Euston yeah God we'd be with a blonde yeah but love your daughter Bobby Christina yeah mean Bobby Christina met on my space we would always be like yeah but yeah I always loved Bernie because he was so funny and so real you know it always was able to ride the wave of like being edgy and saying something true but also still like I think the wonderful thing about any great comedian is to be able to bring up

difficult topics and make them metabolize them help the public metabolize them and through entertainment I think he was great with that totally and he just was yeah he just he also seemed like a really sweet person and everybody loved Bernie too you know what I mean so he just had it seem to have a genuine spirit and obviously a greatest variation so I love whatever I think about you know anybody Chicago great you know Bernie Mac is one of the first people that come in my mind

now I'm picturing you in Whitney though singing on stage oh my god oh my god that would have been god I'm doing incredible okay okay sorry well um but so you're in Chicago and both of your parents were actors yeah I'm professional but they did it I think they met that way they did speech and

“turn they met actually at a speech competition in New Orleans that's what I had Papas for the first time”

they always bring that up because I guess like back then Papas was like raising pains or like Chick-fil-A before it became national like it was only in New Orleans so they always said like that was the first time we had Papas and that's not Papas is branded this though okay but they loved they they always talked about that they talked about their story of falling in love through the arts when they got back to Chicago my mom went to uh New York and she was going to be you know actress

and perform my my dad stayed in Chicago and they would be like pin-pals writing letters back

like spent all his money and like she had tap shoes at her door like the following week and

“that was so touching to her and he was so supportive of her and then one day he that she doesn't”

hear from him and she's like what is my fucking she's like his she's like a few days ago and by

like what the hell went hell and finally she gets a call and she's like angry she's like what

what do you mean Larry no Larry gun to a car he got into a big accident oh my gosh and his mouth has been like quiet shut so we couldn't speak she was on the next flight out and she said I knew how I felt then that I had to be with this man for the rest of my life so she goes back to Chicago they do theater in Chicago at the black ensemble theater started by Jackie Taylor still goes on and my parents performed in this really cool music will call the other Cinderella and they just

fall into it right right right we're just crazy right and yeah and then they started having kids and they kind of was kind of a dream's deferred situation they were like oh reality hit what I love you speak all the time so beautifully about it is how your family made a big sacrifice

to kind of support your dreams they moved from Chicago to LA your siblings came to right because

they came they yeah they all picked up and moved they all picked up so we drove four days and three nights and then when we got there was like oh my gosh we're so broke you know and I mean how we're going to get pulled things together so I get an agent and we've been we have been talking in emailing and I had met some people before on a one trip that I went with my parents so we knew who I was going to be working with and I got me an agent immediately I mean really very quickly I

got a job when I got that job was it what was the job it was a movie that I did with William H. May see I was 10 years old and it was called the wool cap and like it was kind of like a play on G. Go so like he didn't talk and I was like this little girl that was like this me and my friend you know we need this you know so it's so old it was like a TNT film and now we did this movie and my mom and I went to Montreal it was the first time that my parents had like not been around each other

24/7 you know in like since she was 19 because a lot of people don't know when you're a minor and you're on set you need an adult guardian with you at all times but then it's like they're only going to pay for one right so my dad stayed back and this was kind of a moment where the

family experienced what we knew we never wanted to really have to experience again which we

separation yeah so my dad was in LA making sure we had a good place to stay my sisters and my my sister and my younger brother and sister went back with my grandma for a little bit yeah and then when we came back after that movie we knew that it was like whatever situation we get in we need to make it to where we can be together at some like we have to figure this out and so that was like the beginning and so it that caused for a lot of sacrifices so a lot of pressure on you too

it's a lot of pressure on you for sure tons and that I couldn't really hold I think in the beginning I probably talked about it more and then it's time when on it was just like if I talk about this anymore I'm going to break yeah because you've decided to do something that you love your natural at it you the family is like okay we're behind you and then of course like with that comes like an expectation that you're not you can't complain about the thing that's hard to do

“and you can't change your mind about the thing that's hard to do no and you have to keep doing the”

thing that you are really naturally good at and love to do because it's it's taking care of a lot of people it's a lot heavy on that last part because our lives changed tremendously yeah and once you when you when you're when you're in poverty you don't really know too much I mean especially at the age in which I was you know when I left I was 10 so it didn't really hit me yet that like this could be a problem now certain things did right like I had experience discrimination with my race I had

experience like oh I can't get casewiss at pay less you know I'd experience some things yeah but they weren't it wasn't so heavy yet I still felt like you know and then when you actually see it when I actually started to see what I was missing out on what my family was missing out on I felt that they deserved so much more I felt we deserved so much more so then it became like how do I make sure that we get to have what I realize was like really things at all human beings should have but

that's a that's adults thinking and behavior that's adultified parentified stuff pretty early and yeah you've talked about I love how you talk about I know you talk about it with your family

“like it feels like you really in a way that I think few people you know because you just certainly”

don't have to be an actor to have that happen to you can have it can be any indication of the child is actually quite common exactly under capitalism it is tough but it's the truth and I think that's been such a big part of my healing and my family's healing because it all cost us something people judge my parents so badly they really really judged them and that was a hurt that I didn't

about it and owning what that experience did to all of us to be so perceived to be so judge for

“what some things were out of our control like I mean how can you be how can you reject the reality”

that my parents weren't going to get the same opportunities that I was getting also they had a daughter like you and you are a very very special person I mean I don't believe anybody's above and anybody's below but you have a gift I think I realized just how much courage it took my parents to really let me go yeah really like let me be me because yeah it was a lot little Achila and the B key key I mean it must be well you have your inner child in a movie

so right no it is like you can go you're like I'm gonna go check out my inner child and you turn it on

I mean that performance you in it and that moment is so tender it's so precious and so special it hits me more now do you what has Leo he hasn't seen it yet Leo does has has shown the he hasn't think I'm that dope he has yeah it has starting it started to appear yeah that you're not really cool do you remember I was playing some I was playing some Drake you know

“uh-huh and I was like hey hey hey I was like hey gee mama no oh yeah stop stop it stop it no you need to stop”

be a silly you're like everybody loves when I get silly pays the bills honey everybody loves when I do the silly thing you hate it somehow yeah he's like cut that shit out it's crazy how brutal they can be it's I mean his his his face for my silliness is this much he'll go he'll gag with me for a minute and he's like stop he's like please cut the clout it's so it's so it's so but that's healthy that's healthy that is my gosh because they

really set you straight and also you do not want your kids to be like you do not want your kid taking care like taking care of your ego and feelings you just don't you don't want them to be like oh I got to make sure that mom feels funny today oh my gosh that dangerous like if you're kids my my my my my something there was like doing back to me all my fake laughs and I was like I feel so seen he was like mom you know you didn't think was that funny and I'm like what do you

mean he's like well cuz you were like hey and I was like what and he was like you know when you go

and I was like and I go stop paying attention to me it's so incredible really they're always

watching okay um can I talk to you about a couple people that you work with because there are some people that you work with that I I love and I know you work with some very very special people and they've met a lot to you and you've you have worked with so many wonderful women and I will I do want to ask and specifically focus on the women that you work with. Angela Bassett okay talk about Angela Bassett hands down incredible working with her on a

killing the bee was the best gift that I could have coming into this industry and she taught me something that I didn't really understand well enough till later but she taught me a skill of how to

“get to be a motion without damaging yourself whoo because I think for many years because I didn't”

have a lot of experiences as a kid it was hard for me to attach what the character was going through to something that had happened to me with very damaging myself without being like my grandma died yeah and so when I was a self with her I had a scene where Dr. Larry leaves me you know doesn't help me anymore and she she I can't cry can't get to the emotion and she's like who helps you with everything I'm like oh you know my mom you know who takes you to who helps with your lives

who takes you to the auditions and like my mom she was like well what if your mom said I'm not helping you anymore you can't do the thing that you love and I immediately started crying and that was like something that I now understand I do it all the time but for many years from that moment in between I struggled with doing the wrong thing which could be really hurtful to you as an actor because your emotions don't know that you're kidding that's right that sometimes what helps me cry

is I'm like I'm doing such a bad job in the scene I can't cry I'm not kidding Queen Latifa okay Dana Dana is she's remarkable she's really something she taught me what it means to be a CEO to be a business woman Dana okay listening please come on oh yeah have you had her on your

kick his pots will do it to get that would be sick yeah she's something she doesn't really talk too much for you so if you hear her you'll be like well she's a queen she doesn't have to and would boy that she she also taught me how to walk I still haven't got her walk together

but when I tell you the queen is two these up back incredible I know I love the way she

walks I know yeah back is straight yeah it just is her regal smart funny great sense of humor about herself which like doesn't take herself too seriously like you learned so much about somebody when they come and host us and I'll like immediately you learn a medium like because they're nervous you learn what people get what are like when they're nervous or stressed she was so fun and funny and I've told the story before there was a moment where me and her and Maya had to

sing these like jingles and it's very as you know like live show they're counting down like 10 nine eight and then the stage manager was like there's no music five four and we're like what three she's like just sing with that music two one and we're like that and after she was like she just like had such a good time with that chaos that chaos yeah what did you get in the

“pressure that people are watching even when you don't think they're watching because I remember when”

I'd worked with her I started working with her a couple of different times and I was like you know one on the one of the last times the director was like you know it was hard to figure out who we went to give the role too and we spoke to Queen and we asked who she thought was the best person for the job and she said you and so I was thanking her for like you know thank you for believing in me and she said well Kiki I've actually been you know it's not just me believing

you I've actually been seeing you watching you yeah and I'm like that you as well and she was like you are professional you show up to everything that you do and so keep you because you don't know I just remember thinking in that moment like wow like my work ethic proceeds me you know the way that I continued to move into the game it's going to count for something at some point also it's not what you say it's what you do you know what I'm saying even though we

like to talk you like to talk talk talk talk talk talk like my I acts of service for me is a love language like the way people what people do you can say whatever you want but like what did you actually do and it sounds like she was like she did things she made things happen for you

continuously over time yeah yeah amazing do you like to cry are you good cryer in real life yeah

“I think so I think I'm an easy cryer I think I'm that person that's like time to cry”

but do you cry by yourself or I'll say I actually alone quite a lot I love crying alone so people can say yeah I have a depression issue I love crying alone but I love to cry alone too and I and I and I say space and whole space for what I'll just piss sometimes I'm like oh I'm going to cry tonight but it is it's like I'm gonna get I'm gonna get I'm gonna get a TV show I'm gonna get under my I'm gonna get in my my I'm gonna get in my my I'm gonna cry I'm going to cry like my life

depends on it I will literally cry cry and it it it's so because it's actually like a release yes it's a release and a sadness that you need brought out that you bear maybe it was from last yesterday maybe with some 10 years ago but you thought you got it in the in the

ether of your mind like I never cried about that I think I also have a lot of anger a lot of

anger because you know it's been it's such a thing as a black woman where it's like

“can be angry oh yeah but it didn't like it goes to the phone where it's like bitch you should be”

angry for that yeah you know what I mean that's so I feel like I'm dealing now with the realities of holding space for the fact that I'm allowed to be angry without wearing the weight of the perception around being an angry black woman yeah you know so I think I have a lot of work to do there where I allow myself to the space to be pissed off yeah the idea of just like I started getting into rock music a little bit more fuck yeah don't got a couple right rock songs

that I wrote whoa oh my gosh and I'm like no because I'm letting that rage out you know let me want me to be like yeah because it's like I'm actually angry yeah you know yeah you know I didn't let it out you know okay yeah no shit crazy god I love that for you Kiki I love that I love that anger um I love that era for you I do like that very much yes and in it at least I hate just a lot try that oh yeah what are some good angry songs that's a good one I love that I also love

Fifi Dops and I grew up loving Fifi Dops and she's like OG classic you know that's my girl um other songs that are like really good for screaming and screaming so I mean um me you can go to a g-full ill like reanna back in that one that one right after good girl gone bad she was pissed

yeah also what no I just can't figure it out you remember that one I love that album because

“that album was like the second album was like hmm is like a girl going back and then the second”

album was like yo I'm in a dark place angry this is really I mean those albums were just so curated in a way that told us the story of a woman becoming I felt that way with Mary table Mary Mary Mary has that Mary had like a way of expressing that like a um a mature anger Mary Mary and then I'm just by my gosh like she showed us yeah she showed us everything I now I'm obsessed Mary and now she's those days like can't wait to get off also

did you hear me? I love her down success you know it's the minute you're on your way now she's you're so right we hear it Mary please if you and my gosh Mary's queen or listening to this together please come on please um okay j-lo oh love j-lo okay no I feel like you guys

have a word get me up all of her oh okay what did you love about working with her well first of

“my love that she's a real boss bitch and she don't play yeah she's very like come on but she's”

again watching mm-hmm and she has respect for people that are showing up and giving 100% yeah and so we kind of bonded because she saw me like oh my grind I wouldn't like trying to be too like I mean I'm one fan but I was like I have so much respect for you and then boom I'm going to what I got to do and I'm focused on my thing and she's kind of like well how can I help you with that like how can I actually really like that I was in my own bag yeah and we we became really close after

that I gone through things in my life yeah where's like randomly she would like call me if you need me mm-hmm call her and she'll give me some real deal and it's like it's just like she's a real girl's girl mentor you know what I mean she's a real mentor and she's like I want you to win you know what I mean I want you to win and also it's it's I want you to win in this way where it's also like you're already winning yeah which is a really cool way to empower somebody yes you

know what I mean where it's like what we go over it is like that we go over it is very very like what we go over it is like I'm in chapter 100 you are currently a chapter 30 and I see it

yeah I don't think that ever at least for me that's never ended which is the women that are ahead

of me like I'm just watching them like how are you doing it well how are you operating what can I learn from you like and then the women younger than me constantly and like thankfully keep challenging the things that I'm very certain about like every time I get certain I'm like right right there's a young person being like just before you like carve that in stone you want to give that another thought and I'm like fuck you're so right like that's like it feels like

that's the I really love that because Queen actually says something Dana said something like that to me before that made me feel so good because people give you so much you want to be able to give them something and she has said something around those those lines where it's like you know it becomes recursive because there is something that you can hopefully show because of the groundwork that they laid well hey when you ground when you laid that groundwork I decided to go

left and I found something new yeah maybe we can go left together too yeah and that's very cool yeah very cool I gotta I gotta say one guy I gotta put one guy with Jordan Peel oh my gosh Jordan I mean you're the best that we work together again your relationship and that and that

felt and nope you were so incredible and that made you beautiful like like such charismatic

interesting work he is so talented of course to be directed by him what's that like how does it what how do you like how he works how do you like his system he was a first director that made me realize and this is no shade to any other director but made me realize that my opinion was a part of being an actor that not just taking the orders of or just doing exactly what you know and every director is different I'm open to that I'm I'm really I think that's also why I've been

working in industry as I have because I'm very moldable I'm very malleable I guess I'll say it's the mutable qualities of Virgo where I can go where you go once I've signed on and I if I

“were if I respect you that's why I mean I've only signed on if I respect you and so I'm”

open to where you want to take me totally but his it my experience with him was I respect you where do you think I should take this and that was like a really enriching and empowering experience

I hold their feet to the fire on well on day one you told me the characters this way

“so I can go where you want me to go yeah but I want you to know that this is contradictory”

and so what does that mean to her at this point in time what is that actually you know so having that experience with him really empowered that side of me that felt like I could be open and vocal about how to keep consistencies in a character what felt most true to the role

and then because you didn't come from an ensemble like you never had that ensemble feeling like

of collaborating in that way like it's such a good point when did you say because that's probably death's Jordan yeah sketch improv like that idea that like like we're all going to try to figure that out together and it's just a little less lonely like it's a it can really at least for me anyway it was like acting is hard and lonely and can be is you know because everybody has their own special thing okay now um as the therapist who say I'm aware of the time but um I just there's a

“few other thing that I want to talk to you about the verbs oh my gosh let me look at what is the”

verbs okay I mean I mean I mean I mean I mean this is the first time this is ever happened where I talked talked to the guests for so long that they have to go to the bathroom okay kiki plumbers back how is the bathroom oh my gosh that was amazing okay great it's good be hydrated but she's yeah okay so we you're in space balls which is hilarious coming out you're in uh I love boosters huge film incredible cast you guys shout us to boot right boot's

Riley I love him so much and like that movie just looks so fun and original congrats on that and then um the verbs another season of that which is starting to shoot in the fall yeah and so we have a question uh for you from um miss pola pel so pola we spoke to pola yet let's

talk about she's the one of the most incredible humans ever she really really is first of all

she's really talented skillful writer very very funny but she's the kind of person where you can know you can call her up and drive down to the mountains and just be on the couch and have fun with her and her wife and just have the best weekend like she's just really she reminds me home but she's also a Midwestern girl that's right you guys are Midwestern gals so she spoke so highly of you and so lovingly of you and we talk behind well behind your back and she and she um and she

you know is on the burbs with you co stars at mat show and she had a question that I love and wanted to ask you about because it ties into the idea of rest and she her question was what does it look like for kiki Palmer to rest you know I've learned that for me rest still is active I need to be

“it act I think that's why I like poladies more than yoga yes it's amazing so good so slow I want to”

die it's you know I mean there has to be some yes yes yeah so rest looks like for me um a day with my son in the yard playing it looks like get my nails done or my hair done or both it looks like incredible thank you I got him to for me rest is like a recharge and then another thing that I've been doing that's kind of more typical on the nose but I've realized that it's really good for me as I've been taking maps really I started taking steps fantastic in the car you know in the bathroom

just now that's what I just did I've literally been because you know sometimes you'll be going in between these jobs it'll be 30 minutes oh yeah could it be a 45 minute ride in LA depending on what you're going I started napping there's a really cool one I want you to check out you should maybe have on your shirt uh Dr. Sandra um Dr. Sandra Dalton Smith and she did a TED talk about rest and also specifically like she talks a lot about black women and then you black yes and the need

for that specifically to your point at very specifically it's like rest is not an option rest all right so it uh it is like you could have died trying to rest that's right you know what I mean that's right and so um you know and I feel like any of the any of the we think about black lineage if your family is here today y'all definitely didn't rest that's right it's why you're here that's right so it's like uh it's a lot of undoing yeah she talks about spiritual rest and creative rest

and all this stuff and it's cool and I just like to hear like thank you for saying that because I also

feel like my rest needs to be a little active and I don't always know where to put it and you know

like puddering is a big one for me just like pudder well I call it puddering but it's just like walking around the house like and it's not housekeeping which is different right like it's not cleaning

no goal just like going from room to room and just kind of thinking about like you know like maybe taking a note like I got to remember to I actually love puddering too huddering I got to remember to change I want to change the the cover on that chair I should do that no expectation to do it just like observing and slow motion you know and and just touching things that's the mundane that's the mundane that's right the mundane is so dead moment in between the scene and you

don't puzzle you know okay I'm here to tell you I'm here to tell you I know what do you think

“it's good I think that's going to be the next thing for you because here's why the”

verb going is going to love a puzzle because I'm not particularly good at them by the way it's not like I I can't like I don't really like have a great puzzle brain you take the puzzle you sort the pieces which feels really nice you sort them you walk away like puzzles take forever there's no like dead line for a puzzle you get a nice puzzle border table you're like this is where I do my puzzle then you come back you have your coffee and you're like oh you know

you're like this is never you know it's going to take me forever do this puzzle and then you

find one piece and you put it in you're like fucking hot dog you get an instant instant boost you did one thing and then you go maybe I'll try to get one more and you're like not I got to go to work the puzzle is this like long meditation I like puzzles you know when I was a little girl at my grandma's house we would do puzzles mm-hmm so there's something that was in there that could a lot okay final final minutes speaking out oh anything you have about any of this

shouted out favorite old sitcom oh well this was the one that came into mind immediately so I'm going to say this one family matters yes but but there's many more but that's just what came to me comfort comfort watch okay manicures you love them yeah how like what how long do your manicures take and what do you like hopefully no more than hour and 30 minutes okay great I want to keep it pretty simple a color with maybe like a glaze or a chrome or okay you know what I mean right now

I've got the friendship with a little glaze like I try to keep it like where it goes with everything I don't want to I'm not the girl that's like I was there for three hours no no okay stand up comedy would you ever do it yes you do it every day no but I would totally love to do I need to find

“a bright and partner yeah I would know you have to do a stand up you've got an hour already a material”

you go on the Hollywood Reporter you do that thing you tell go to girls who like and Quintagos Kiki and I'm like that is it you're so I really wanted to join funny okay all right we're going to do that you're going to do that if you want to do you're going to do it album you're listening to right now oh album I'm listening to right now you listen to right now you know I'm not I haven't totally digested the Drake album I've listened to a few songs a lot of songs I have a completely digested

it down to Oliver's last project but I like listening to him a lot um you know I'll be honest with you there's not many artists that I'm like if they just want to get the older new right now like if you were like let's start dancing like I want to get a party going what would you mind

Okay I'll have you ever seen a ghost I think I tell that I never want you to be

okay you felt okay great I felt okay perfect the spirit of a ghost do you I do you have a go to baby present money money just money I'll need it come on we all can use it you know the man money is like my like hand it to the baby I do the old school I'll put some in a car I'll put some in a car you know what I mean they're like yeah yeah oh my god um okay and then lastly what's making you laugh these days like what do you a video a show a like is it a friend

at what are you reading some when you're like when you're when you need a laugh what do you watch

“read do where do you go what do you where do you get it honestly with my friends hmm”

I'm always having something to talk about there's something going on there's something so I'm

a real like one of my good friends in we'd be laughing on the phone like nobody's business now see you like to talk to the phone with Ian yeah he's good though okay and honestly it'll be like a 10 minute you know it's like oh that's perfect you know it's not we got you know it's not hours because yeah we just be like oh my god I got to go I got to go and I'm like I got to go and you know I can be on the phone too long and it's like fun but we are like me me me me me me

how did you guys meet we met my other really good friend Courtney and so Courtney introduced me to Ian and Ian is just so funny he's out of the hand he line dances like he line dances at the

actually like feet kickback my sisters also make me laugh like I'm so community like my people like

“we we be laughing couldn't up you know yeah kicky it makes perfect sense because you do that for us like”

I cannot tell you how many years like you know I have the pleasure to know you now but just before I knew you like you made me you gave me such joy and you continue to do that for me all the time

you're so yourself you're so real you're so funny you're so talented I just love you like

“I'm like I'm like so like over stimulated I'm like holding myself because I'm like oh let's do 100”

thank you so much for doing the same right back I mean you're kiki pommur Lauren kiki pommur the talent of all talents here today thanks for being here

love having you thank you so much kiki you are oh god I'm gonna talk to you all day

you're so funny and fun to be around and positive and interesting and the real deal kiki pommur thanks for joining us and you know we talked about work and we talked about rest and for this polar plunge I just want to point everyone's attention to a very cool woman who speaks about rest the seven types of rest we mentioned her in the podcast and she has an interesting TED talk and and books about just that her name is Dr. Sandra Dalton Smith and her seven types of rest and it

“just makes me think about how important it is to find ways to do that whatever it may be like for”

example me I don't know going um in my bedroom and sticking my feet under the mattress and putting a sweatshirt over my eyes but um let's not get specific but you know what I mean um but uh we I hope that this I hope that this episode and good hang episodes are a way for you to rest and so rest away and we will catch you next time thanks so much bye you've been listening to good hang the executive producers for this show are Bill Simmons Jenna Weiss Burman and me Amy Polar the show

is produced by the ringer and paper kite for the ringer production by Jack Wilson Kat Spalaine Kai and McMillan and L.A. as an iris for paper kite production by Sam Green, Joel Leville and Jenna Weiss Burman original music by Amy Miles