Sarah Sherman

[MUSIC PLAYING] Hello, everyone.

“Welcome to another episode of Good Hanging.”

We are very excited about our guest today. It is Sarah Sherman. Sarah is a current cast member on Saturday Night Live, and we could consider her a vet. She is just finished her fifth season.

And I just want to file this one under, not say, for work or for kids, because we do get into some fun and down and dirty topics, like well, SNL, duh, and psychoanalysis, and Long Island, and her insane, wildly original, new, special, Sarah Squirm, live and in the flesh on HBO.

So listen for Sarah, but before we start,

we always like to talk to somebody who knows our guests,

who has been time with them, and who can speak well, and give us a question. And we're going to talk today to Mitra Juhari. Mitra is an amazing actress, writer, producer. You may know her, from episodes of The Bear,

from the show she created, Three Busy Debra's. She's a writer on Big Mouth. And she's just incredible talent. Came up with Sarah, her good friend. We're going to check in with Mitra, who is on her lunch break,

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[MUSIC PLAYING] Mitra! She's on the set. Mitra is on the set. Mitra, where are we talking to you from?

Netflix! A lot of people don't know. Netflix has beautiful offices, really, really. They give you a free hangar. [LAUGHTER]

So, you can hang anything on that. You can hang anything on that, as long as it's not pants, because the hangar is broken. [LAUGHTER] I hear giggles in the back, which was in there.

On top of Mitra being incredibly talented, she's also a real deal activist, boots on the ground person. And I was thinking about during COVID, when you-- when you zoomed with my sons to talk to them about the LA Unhoused situation

and what they could do about it, it was-- They were so cute and sweet. I love talking to them. They were so thoughtful and had such good questions, and we're really making me laugh.

“Remember that when we were all just in that COVID bubble,”

I've just like, I guess, well, this is how we'll learn now. I was living with Patty, and we were making some of the most fucked up cocktails imaginable. Like actively drinking and being like, this is disgusting. And finishing them.

[LAUGHTER] That he Harrison, another hilarious comedian, and actor. OK, we've got Sarah coming in today. That's why I'm sad. Another reason why I'm sad, I'm not there.

I want to be seeing her. I have so many questions for Sarah, did you watch her special? Yes. I have questions for her, too. Her nasty ass.

Her nasty ass special. You have known Sarah for a very long time.

When did you two first meet?

2015. And our mutual friend, Drennan, who knew her from Chicago, she was coming out to New York to do shows. And she guessed it on this show called Holy Thought that I was a part of.

And he was like, there's this freak coming. He named Sarah Sherman.

“And I think you guys would really like each other.”

And then we like hit it off immediately. And we went on the tour with this great comedian and writer named Jamie Loughtis, called the Sarah,

And just like she eventually wrote and appeared, but naked on Deborah's. Yes.

“So we worked on a show together three busy devras on a deltswim”

that you wrote and produced and you were the star of, along with other devras. And at least that's right. And Sarah was a writer on there, which is where I first heard her. And I was introduced to her as Sarah Squirm,

which is the theme she was going by at the time. Which I remember thinking at the time it was unusual that a comic actor had like what felt like almost like a rock star name. Yes.

Which, and it makes so much sense because like she came up in these great music venues. And like it was like, I feel like every time I would come to Chicago and do shows with her with the hideout,

it was always like with these really interesting bands

that I would like, I've never heard of would never have heard of. And then she's like such a true fan of like by music and worked in radio and like just brings all of that. So like makes sense to me that this like person who's working in these DIY spaces, both like in music and stand up

and art would have this sort of like rock or character persona. Totally. My questions today for her are really like, when did that person start? When does that person come out?

Because you know Sarah really well. And I've gotten to know her from getting to work with her and her personality are like a like but also very different. Yeah, she's like, I feel like it makes so much sense that she landed in Chicago because she does have this like warmth

and like, I don't know, familiarity with people that feels very Midwestern to me even though she's not from there. But like, she's just very cozy. People feel very comfortable with her. What you wouldn't expect from someone who's like material

is kind of exclusive about like her flapping labor. (laughing) Exactly like for people that are learning about Sarah here. Like her stuff on SNL is, you know, in the structure of SNL but Sarah's material

is like super-skatological. She calls it body horror. It's like a ton of like dysmorphia on dysmorphia, shocking, shocking, shocking stuff. And I wanna ask Tara like the cutaways to her audience

“during the special, I'm like, who is this audience?”

I'm the same exact story. So many men, so many men laughing and being like

ritually humiliated at the same time is amazing.

- Perverts. (laughing) - God, my favorite word, my favorite word. Would you say Sarah's your first pervert guest? - Oh, absolutely not. (laughing)

- No, but I love a pervert. - I don't like a creep. - There's a difference. - Big time. - And it's a fine line.

I mean, you know, and it's very, it happens. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying, but rarely are women creeps, but they can definitely be perverts. But if you're a perverted man,

you have a high creep susceptibility obviously. - You gotta be really careful. - You gotta be real. (laughing) But a fun pervert, I mean, they kind of feel almost,

you know, this is another thing that I want to talk to Sarah about is like the way she is a fun pervert and then turns on her audience and yells at them for liking it. (laughing)

- That's so real. - Well, 'cause it's like it's such a relief to have someone obviously in such a heightened way, but like talk about all these all these things that like I also am horrified by in my own body

where I'm like, why does it do that?

“Why is there hair there and what is that substance?”

(laughing) Having someone put words to it and show it in such a nat. It is so heightened, but it's also like how I feel looking at these parts of me and she really brings it to the life in a way that is actually very inviting.

I feel where it's like, I'm disgusting. Are you disgusting? We're all disgusting. No, you're the disgusting one. (laughing)

Perfect way to sum it up. In watching her stuff, I'm like, on the surface level, it's kind of like, grotesque, almost performance art, stuff, but then underneath it is like this idea of claiming the stuff that gets thrown at us all the time

anyway, just kind of claiming it and like doubling down on it. - Yes. - The horrors of being a woman and having a body.

So, I always ask people to give my guest a question.

What do you think Sarah would want to talk about, answer, smaller big, any story you want to promture to tell or anything you don't know about her yet? - Okay, I wrote it on a few. - Oh, you're an agent.

- You're an agent. (laughing) - I really don't ever thought of it. (laughing) - Why don't we have a friend?

- Let's get the room in here and let's just keep pitching.

to put together a few questions for Sarah.

Okay, I wanted to force her to talk about her child musical theater career, because she was really, she has so many stories about like liberty she took with the characters and she was given.

- Amazing. - Thank you. - That's great. I had two like bigger questions. If you had a zillion dollars to make any disgusting

practical creation, what would it be? - Whoa, great question. We might have to ask all these questions. These are good. - And then what is your biggest bomb

and what's your favorite show that you've done? So it's like a, you know, best and worst 'cause I feel like Sarah's had some like really high highs and some really low lows.

“So I think either of those I would be really excited”

to hear about. - And then if there's time, when it where does she stand on the real house of Rhode Island? (laughing) - You know, if you're on, if you're like

getting a wall conversationaly, (laughing) - Okay, perfect. I can't wait to ask her, these questions are really good questions, Mitra. - Thanks for talking to us on your lunch break.

- I loved every second. - Okay, bye. - Thanks Mitra. Thanks so much. - Bye, honey.

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- It's okay, you don't need to bring it. I don't want that to be-- - I don't bring food, I don't want it to bring food. - I didn't want it to people to feel like they needed to bring. - I could, not the brag, I could have contributed to this.

- Oh, I can only imagine what you would have contributed to this. - So amazing. - I actually, before we start, I wore these in on behalf of you because I feel like you would like

that my word cheeseburger sweetberry is in the food wall. - All right, what put one on the wall? - What is, let me, it's a cheeseburger sweetberry. - It's all, it's all, it's all, it's all, it's all, it's all. - It's all, it's all, it's all, it's all, it's all.

- And I feel like, I'm not gonna lift my foot up 'cause I don't want any perverts. - See, there's people, screen shots with sale for that. - That money, yep. - And I'm wearing ice cream.

- Oh, ice cream, okay, okay, okay. - I feel good now, okay, I'm not stressed. I was stressed that I ain't bring food, but I came as food. - You came as food.

- I came as food. - Sarah Sherman is here. Do you feel weird now that you're wearing one shoe? - Such a good question, I think, let me take that in. - Yeah, I'm gonna take the other shoe.

- Yeah, all right. - But now perverts are gonna know that I'm barefoot. - Can you see the feet?

- No, God, I would never let anyone see my feet.

- Have you seen, I'm free? - No, no more, I need for free? - Well, I look like, take me out to dinner first, although, take me out to a plastic dinner first. (laughing)

Have you seen your wiki feet? - Yeah, and what do we, what are we talking? - I'm happy about it. - Okay. - I, I, you know, I feel like with body parts,

no one knows this more than you. (laughing)

“Like you have to, some of you make peace with some of you.”

Feel neutral about some, you have big thoughts about, I like my feet. - I, how about you? - I got it, I got an anxious recently. Well, as you know, on the show,

we have to wear many different shoes, many different hats, many different shoes, many different ways. I'm always put in sort of, I think everyone's doing a practical joke on me

by putting me in these big heels at the point where one of the writers, Ashil Ward, Shoto. (laughing) She puts like in the stage direction,

like Sarah exits, like tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, 'cause that's my heels, shuffle, like, tick, tick, tick, tick, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, click, 'cause I can't walk in a heel, I'm like, click, click, click around.

And so something happened to my feet where I think one of my toes, I have no medical basis for this. I do not go to doctor, I did not look this up interesting. I think that one of my toes is like,

it's a toe. I love that we're talking about body stuff right away. (laughing) I love it. You asked for it.

I know I did, I asked for it. I don't know if I should look this up. In my head, one of my toes is just, the bones are loose, but inside of the toe sack. Well, I have a whole thing about, you know,

like, oh, your feet, your feet. But your feet now are really given it for the purves who love feet. But yeah.

“Your feet, your feet health are very important.”

Like, now 'cause I'm getting to the age where I'm starting to read like-- - Early 21. (laughing) - You're getting to the age of barely 21.

- I really go always. - That what needs to stay healthy for you

- It's the next. - And feet is a big one.

“Like, meaning you gotta be able to take care of your feet,”

have good balance. Do you have good balance? Can you balance on one leg? - I'm saying this, like, so cockily, I feel like, yeah. - Yeah, right on, you did it.

And I don't have, I'm gonna say something great. Again, there's more feet thing. I have a huge arch. - That's very, so do I. - It's crazy.

- And it's good to have it. - Okay. - Because, not only does it make your feet look nice when you want to eventually sell your feet, so I think we're all gonna be there.

- I have tried, actually, and I have failed. (laughing) - Okay, we're gonna get into that. - Very sure I'm in this here.

She is our first SNL, current SNL Casper on the show.

- I love a scoop. - Do I love a scoop? - Well, you're a vet. Like, how many years have you been on the show? - I'm fine.

- But you just wrapped SNL, you have a comedy special out. It's incredible. I cannot wait to talk about it. It's insane. - It's quite insane.

- It's quite insane. - Right now, you're in that, like, schools out summer times. Like, you just finished your last show last week.

“How are you feeling, how did energy level were yet?”

I feel like I had so when you hosted this season. - That was in the very beginning, right? - And not to suck your butt, but everybody goes, who's your favorite house, I go, everyone goes to the A-Polar, like immediately.

- Not such a thing. - I had a lot of questions for you. I was like, what? - I felt like every, it's so funny, as a cast member, you have such an experience.

And then when you're a host, you have the experience, which is like, you just wish you could immediately do it again. - Yes. - Immediately. And I was just saying it's not on my favorite times

are always the in-between times.

- Interesting. - I love the, like, the joking around between scenes. I like the, like, the beginning of the week. - Yes. - The show is, like, the event.

But I tend to remember and, like, the, like, weird middle times. And I have such a fun memory of me, you and Bowens. - And I know, sitting on a couch and really getting to know you. - And in a way that I don't think I had in a fast amount of time. - Yes.

- Well, I think non-stop. - I know in a lot of giggles. - Oh, how did you know that thing? - Thank you for saying that. Okay, so I was your favorite host, Craig.

- I appreciate that. - And my favorite, like, I wish people saw the table read. Like, that is when I am laughing. - I'm like, and that was my favorite part of your week because, well, sir, okay, I'm the butt-sucking

is gonna commence. - I'm usually doing that. - Okay, go, whoa, that's okay. - I'm gonna try to receive it. - Okay.

- All right, you, like, obvious, so, it's like, obviously you're good at SNL, like, obviously,

“but seeing, you know, how many sketches are at table read?”

Like, 40, you have a different, funny thing. You were doing, like, fun new character voices for every sketch out of the 40 and it's like, how many of those are cold reads and you were just like, like, the doll with the eye.

- Oh, yeah, that was good. - That's good. - That's good. - That's good. - We submitted a sketch for us if we didn't do it.

- I'd try to watch that I can organically laugh if I'm not in a sketch. I'd try not to read those sketches ahead of time. - Oh, you should say, okay, yeah. - You said you watched a whole table read, like--

- But that's very generous of you because you're actually providing an audience which people don't usually do. Like, they, you know, everyone's in their own world that those read throughs and everyone's tired

and everyone's like waiting for their stuff to get on. And so the fact that you could even do that means that you're like trying to actually stay present. Like, your generous person. - And I, well, I think it's awesome.

- So excited. - So excited. - It's awesome. - Thank you. - If humans end up beat ourselves.

- Oh, my God, I don't remember anything. - I mean, come on, that's a good trilogy. - That's three. - I cannot believe that movie was made. - The movies, this movie.

- I don't know if there's three. - There are three. - Okay. - You need me to talk about that. - And the difference is between--

- So I'm reason, because I am so a gas at that movie, I get it constantly on my TikTok. - Is it having our surgeons? - Yeah, there's like a lot of clips about or like, I just keep watching.

- Because I'm horrified by it. - Okay, sorry, I did great. - You were making it happening. I'm going to use your podcast platform to do something. - Tom Six.

- No, if you are absolutely not human, then no, do not. - We do not need a human to be forced. - No. - I will, she won't.

- She will not do it. - No, no, no, no. - Absolutely not. - Black and white. - No, no, no.

- No, no. - Absolutely not. We don't need it. - We did it.

- It's been most important to cinema.

- It's been me. - Fucking disgusting. - And Tom, you are a freak. - Okay, but you're on your summer break. - Yeah.

- So you like, what do you do for your summer? - What do you do? - I'm experimenting with something this summer. - I don't understand how anyone can do anything while a son of a was happening.

- Right. - I feel like, are you doing this? - No. - I can't, well, I even said 'cause I was all consuming. - When, when, I even said 'cause you did work birth,

when you talked about you being pregnant and giving birth work.

- Right.

“- And I was like, 'cause this actually was your life.”

- Yeah. - The fact that you were pregnant there, I can't even work there like if my contact is too dry. - I don't know what your life is, and if you ever wanted to carry a child,

but pregnancy is wild and funny, and fun because you are completely different body and you're body stuff and you scare a lot of people by walking around. - And it scares me.

- Yeah, it's scary. - And I'm like, what do you mean? They're moving my organs around inside me. They have to stay where they are. - So sci-fi that there's a body inside of you.

That's never alone. - I can't even imagine, like my body can't even take being at the job regular, not that pregnant isn't regular. (laughing) - New normal.

- New normal.

- I like it so much, but if I have like a bad burrito, and I'm like, "Blooded, I'm like, "I can't get right."

- Everyone knowing when someone has a stomach ache, that's new. - That is new. - That's new. - You know what I don't like? And I'm gonna all say, I'll stand on my two feet,

buckle my shoe and say, "I don't like it." It's like hot girls with IBS. It's like, "I'm not proud of the diarrhea "that I have every single day chronically." - And we're about seven minutes in.

- I want to diarrhea. I was hoping we would-- - Old morning. (laughing) - I just think that like more and more,

there's an acceptance that everyone has a different way to work within the system. - Yeah. - And I would say that you being on the show is also, I think, another example of how the show has smartly

“remember that it is a variety show with a million different voices”

and different styles. And so there just was, I think, a little bit more. It was just like a more homogenous, same way to do it, same people writing it, same people on it and it just keeps changing.

- I think about this a lot because I'm like, this is not even to say itself deprecatingly. So that was an accident. - I mean, I don't think I would have gotten on the show during your era.

- No. - Because, yeah, no, that's not controversial. - But, I would have, I would like to be a more talented sketch performer. - Okay, let's find myself to be quite limited.

- Okay, what, do you know what I'm saying? - Well, okay, let's look, let's look at stars. I was not born, you know, I was born when I was born. - Okay, Sarah Sherman, let's go back. - Oh, we're going back to Long Island.

- Well, we're going back 18 years. (laughing) - I'm 18 now, I'm just turning. - Okay, carry the carry-a-long, you're 20. - So we're in Long Island as a little.

- Yeah, as a little.

“- As a little, your mom is public school teacher.”

- Yeah. - So was mine. - Oh! - And your dad runs a children's clothing company. - Oh, huh, fascinating.

- I mean, like, of course, you love clothes. Of course, you dress. - But I'm like addicted. - Okay, when is his fall? - Yeah, so he has like, he's like a Garmento.

- Yeah, he is like old school Jewish Martha business. - Yeah, yeah. - So it's like everyone saw on cut gems was like the Diamond District in my hand. It's all those Jewish guys running around.

Two blocks over is the Garment District and Shmata is Yiddish for Rags. So it's like all the same kind of Jewish guys running around with clothes. - Right.

Long Island seems like it is produced so really complicated, interesting characters. - Well, I saw on cut gems. - Yep. - And I go, huh, that's about my dad.

I just above, right? So I stalked the writer and I was like, you wrote a movie about my dad and he goes, well, this is actually quite interesting 'cause I'm from your neighborhood.

I went to a high school, near your high school and my dad is in Shmata. So yeah, I did. - Wow. - I know.

- Long Island. - Okay, what is fifth grade Sarah? - I'm so annoying. - I was like, because I was like, the clothes thing, like, my dad was in Shmata

and I grew up around clothes. So I was addicted to the nanny, golden girls, and my big thing, in middle school and I started doing middle school plays, Miss Orange, who ran the costume department

would let me kind of read the costume closet. - Okay, this makes sense.

- Into that, we always speak to people

who know our guests really well. We get a question from them. We talk to Mitra. - Oh, okay, yeah, so Mitra gave us a tissue. She's the best.

She gave us a couple really good questions. Oh, okay. - Out this interview, I'm gonna pepper them in, 'cause of course, Mitra, good girl, giving us so many good questions.

- Sure, I'm sure the list is long. - And this, Miss Orange, reminds me of one of those questions, which is you did a lot of musical theater as a kid. And you took liberty with some parties.

- And Mitra, you know what you have done.

- Mitra knows which is done. - Okay, she's helping out her friend. - I just, I, let me explain myself. I don't think me to spend myself here.

- I always wanted to be a comedian.

- Like grew up watching it. - Why do you think? - Funny family. - Funny family. - Okay, yeah.

- Really, funny family, funny dad.

“Funny, like, you know, love, love, love expression”

was like mean, bullying, funny, funny. It was addicted to cotton, like, sign fell. - Yeah. - As an owl. - Brother's sisters.

- Younger brother, also funny, but I was kind of like a bully, but it was funny. (laughing) So I, you know, as my boys were funny. - I know what you're like, did I have a big science room

skeleton in my room? - My first one was like, I tried to end up like this. - You know what I was like? - And I'm like, you got me a giant science room skeleton when I was like, no, my brother was like three

on April, I love April Fool's Day, 'cause I also felt like the comedians did shine. It's like clown's Christmas. (laughing) It's like three, and I put this giant life size science room

skeleton in his bed, Neem woke up crying. - You know, right. So it's like stuff like that, I love the book. - My bad, my bad. My midsville was on April Fool's Day. - What was the theme? Did you have a theme?

- It was in full-time. - It was in full-time. - And the invitation was snakes in a can that I handle, every time everyone's house. (laughing) - You learn so much about people, and they talk about their barren, but I usually do. - I usually do.

- And in quick punishments on every seat. (laughing) And like, you know, you're on, and about my midsville, you're like on the beema, the stage at the synagogue, I had it wrapped audience of like 80-year-old.

- Old ball Jewish guys, I was going off. - That was my first crush that I bought.

“- Oh my God, do you remember Annie of your midsville?”

- Of course, it's like, 'cause it was my first, you know, I was, I've been, what is it chasing the dragon or what it was? - Ever since, like the high. - Yeah.

- I went to a very conservative synagogue, okay. And it's like, the services like eight hours in tense, Hebrew, I didn't know a word I was saying. And they go like, "And now the sisterhood of the temple would like to present you with your gift."

And like these two conservative women came up with candlesticks.

I go, "Great, just what I always wanted."

(laughing) I'm always in the front going, and they're not to brag. - It was kind of the talk of a town for like a second. - I bet. - It was kind of like, everyone was like,

"Oh, it was a kid." (laughing) - Great, what is that? - Turn into a camera that's not there. - No, no, no, no.

(laughing) - Okay, so what liberties did you take as a musical theater kid? What, how did you interpret the part? - You're so evil.

- Is this a non-PC story? - So, I just wanted to be a community and I wanted to be a bully. So, it's like, I would do any play. Like I would do, like I couldn't sing or dance,

but I do the musicals 'cause I just wanted to do it. - Yeah.

- And I can never get a part because I was in good.

But I was like, and with the costume closet, Ms. Orange would let me, like that's, I got addicted to like 80s a little like sequin jackets 'cause like, grandma, yet on the nanny would wear them and that's Sheila, and Ms. Orange let me keep the jackets.

- Who do you mean? - The one that looked exactly like Grandma, yet a sequin jacket. And so she let me kind of, I didn't have a part, I was in the chorus and into the woods.

- Oh, yeah. - Which was behind a screen, you were in the woods. - I was in the woods and so what? - Sure. - So I was just basically a little outline.

- Yeah. - But I was in the costume closet. I found a red and black lace gown with a firm hand muff. - Oh yeah. - And I went to the director and I said,

so this is my costume. - Hi, I am, my character is the Russian Tsarina. And no, I'm just, I didn't really think I even knew what that was and something was and I didn't have an accent, nothing.

And so in the play bill, it would be like, all the leads listed and then like the chorus. - Yes. - A whole list of all the faceless people behind the screen and then Sarah Sherman will be playing the Russian Tsarina.

- That's incredible. - You created it already. - You created it already. - But it's such a comp, I mean, that is the thing about you, Sarah, is and like we'll get to it with us now.

But like, there is an innate confidence about you that, and I say that because I want you to know to me, that's like the what distinguishes people on us and now right away. - Sure.

- Whether the content doesn't matter,

“it's like, are we worried about you when we're watching you?”

I'm never worried about you anytime you're performing. And it's not like cocky like 'cause you're super self-deprecating

you're feelings are right up front and center. But there is a confidence that I feel like you just were born with. This idea of like grabbing things and wanting them. - I think I am so used to bombing. - Yeah.

- It sounds like I crushed my first time or bad.

- I'm so, it's like, and everything that has all, every bad thing could happen to me on stage, has already happened. Kind of thinks what's like, I don't even know if it's like confidence. It's like, I'm fucking crushed this shit right now. - It's like, what more could happen?

“- I bought a massive square garden, how more could happen?”

- But ambivalences confidence too. - Yeah, sure. - It's like this idea of like, I'm just kind of float a little bit and a little dissociation too. - You're like, I'm gonna float above this moment

so that you're gonna have to come find me. I'm not gonna be like, like me, like me, like me, like me. - That's the difference, but you went to North Wester. - Yeah. - And oh, this is what I find so interesting

when you talk about like, I wanna have more experience and sketching improv. You try out for like the sketch group, don't get in. - Yeah. (laughing)

- Yeah. - Which was like, time was as I've been saying it. - That's insane. - And I had tried to stand up like I dabbled a little bit

when I was like 16, like, I like going to do an open-minded, like a barbecue restaurant 'cause you know, kind of do a bar yet, like I dabbled a little. But that was my first big like, you know, all I wanted to do was be a comedian

and when someone was like, my peers were like, no, I was like, can you meet me? - Yeah. - And so I'm full if I could be motivated by spite. - But then you started a comedy show in Chicago called

"Held Trapp" and I'm there. - Yeah. - How would you describe that show? - Um, like the first thing I'd like

“that you rolled in, I think you were like,”

- How did I even begin to? - This is the first show, this is my friend's basement. - You were, of course.

- It was Chicago has an amazing DIY electronic noise,

crazy performance our comedy scene. - And like, you know, there was like comedy at, like there's all this improv in Chicago and whatever, but it's like the funniest people to me were these like, freaks.

- Yeah. - So my friend, Mike Sugarman was performing as under this noise moniker, shogue. And the first hell-trapped night-minute night-ment, I had a stroke.

- First hell-trapped night-ment, my friend's basement. The poster was like, a woman's face was see-through and you could see her teeth and brains. - Sure. - 'Cause that was like, you know, that's the trigger warning.

- Yeah. - And, you know, I hosted, I did like, 10 bad minutes of stand-up and then my friend showed came out in a trench coat in a wig. Sun glasses, flashed everyone and he had trezo tape

to his dick and was, you know, smashing light bulbs, but that was music, of course. - Yeah.

“- And I think I didn't, I don't even know what,”

these bits were like, it was like, it was a stretch to call it comedy. Like, well, it was like performance art, right? - Yeah. - But with, like, the intent was to be funny,

but when I chugged a can of room temperature, clam chowder, and I think the joke was literally like, oh, like a woman who's a tall drink of water, I'm a tall can of clam chowder, and then chug the whole thing and everyone's like, cool.

(laughing) - Okay. - You know, we don't need to look back on our bits and explain them, they were just like moments. - Like moments.

- They were moments. - It's made. - You were experimenting. - Of course. - But you were, you were like,

I mean, I think it's one of the things that you've brought to the show, like just your aesthetic, not only outside, but like your influences, like you are very, very interested in all types of media and art. - I am. - We talk about in your special,

like, you like, Paula Poundstone fucked. - That's fine. - You also talk about, like, - Like, literally makes sense, by the way, and gave birth to what?

(laughing) So, like, I just say stuff, and I'm like, that's going on. - But also, Ren and Stimpy and like, P.E. - Yeah. - And what were your, like,

what kind of stuff were you like, when you think about all that stuff that jammed in your head when you were younger, what jammed? What got in there?

- I think, like, I always, I loved doing art and making stuff,

and I also loved performing comedy. And for some reason, I didn't know that you could do both at the same time, like when I had started. So, it was like, 2015, like, you know,

there's not like the internet and the way it is now. - Yeah. - Like, I didn't realize I could blend art. Like, I was doing all the posters for my show. Like, 'cause it's like, it was very, you know, raw and cheap blue, like, horrific comedy.

So, I'd make the posters be, like, longs with nipples on. And I'd be like, you know what the show's gonna be, whatever. - Right. - Um, the letters are, like, a tampon with poop on it, sorry. - No, it was a lacriona.

But I was like, "Oh, that was like a trigger for you, "with an awesome, my mom, by the way, "to my special taping war, my old Hellchop night manager,

"and a severed finger shoved up into the end of smiling,

"like, open gash, vagina with, like, a butt all." - And do you guys do insert picture here? (laughing) - For a long time. - Sarah, how did you, what do your parents think of your life?

- How did they hit, it is so intense. - It's intense, it's intense. - And I don't mean to me to be pessimistic because if it's a man, it's, they get a different pass. But like, your stuff, no, as a parent,

because your parents love you, and they love it. They love the work, how did they, like, do they invite their friends to your show? - Yes. - They, they're down.

- It is, it's literally like, "Paul's Shader Hardcore, the, "no, I don't, I don't know, turn it off."

“- When you have to watch this daughter doing porn,”

it is that. But, um, no, turn it off. But, um, they love it. - They love it. - They are a really supportive, and I do think I can say it.

I think that's like what the confidence is. - It was a little, okay, I think that that's true. I didn't want to say it, but like, I'm learning about, like, loving parents privilege. - She's like, yeah.

- If you have parents who are, like, you are great, you're that really creates a scaffolding for the rest of your life, obviously, when you try things where you're like, "Well, I guess my parents will still love me."

- No, I, there, there, there's not a threat of losing my family. - Yeah. - And, like, maybe this is TMI, but I did a bit, I've done a lot of, like,

updates where I'm in a big animal costume, and that is Lauren's idea. - Yeah. - Because I think I'm like, he's like, "Well, what am I gonna do with her?

She's crazy." She's like, "Well, I'll just make her be a wild animal." I don't think people know that he pitches, but like, he was like, "You're gonna play a squirrel." I'm like, "Okay."

(laughing) - What are you doing? You're my ball, okay, boss.

“He said, like, after I did, I think a squirrel”

or something fucking animal. He said, "When you did that, I could tell you were loved as a child." And I was like, "Oh." (laughing)

- Clocked. - Clocked. - He has very, oh, yeah. - Oh yeah. - Oh, I remember it.

- Oh, yeah. - Yeah, he, he, he is kids would say, he can read you really fast. (laughing) - For self.

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And today there's a lot of other products in your Aldi Nord-Vigiale. And I'll show you another one. - Aldi, good for Aldi. - Okay, so you have this way of performing.

And then, you auditioned for espresso, first, when you're really young, don't get in. What was that like? - Well, was it a real audition? What did you go to the studio, okay?

- It was, Sharna Halpern from IO Show. - Shout out, Sharna. - Let's talk about Sharna for once. I can Sharna Halpern ran in problem Olympic, a theater in Chicago now called IO,

'cause the Olympic sued and made the change their name. - The Olympics. - The Olympics, that's right. - And Sharna was the director who, in my case, just like put me on an improv team,

said, "Hey, there's a woman in Tina. "You're gonna really like her." - Then, Sharna, I mean, Sharna ran in that marriage. And Sharna was in charge of so many of us and like launched so many careers.

- Oh my God, I didn't know that. So Halpern, Sharna got you in front of the Sharna.

Sharna, she's always had an eye.

- You know, that's great, because I just wanted to do comedy. I couldn't get into the fucking college thing. And so I was like, "Oh, I'll go do it in Chicago."

- Stuff in Chicago.

And I was like kind of a bad fit.

And I'm like, "Not again, I feel self-conscious "about my limited range." It's like you kind of need a little bit of range for improv and I was kind of not a good fit there and I would also wear like, they would be like,

"I have to get talking to you." It's like, "Hey, you're wearing a big shirt "with the brain on it and the strike thing." And I'm like, "Fair, "air." I was like, "I was like, "I'm kind of a bad fit there."

But she was like, "You're gonna do that "to an all audition." And at that time, I was like, "I was 22." And I was like, "That's a bad idea." 'Cause I was doing these things with the trees,

openness, whatever. And I was like, "I just didn't, "and she was like, "you're gonna do that. "She's like, "you're gonna be great. "If you need help with it."

And I was like, "Well, everyone tells you, "I didn't know anything in there." Everyone's like, "Oh, you're five minutes "to have to be like characters and impressions." - Right.

- So I did that. And it was obviously terrible. Like, it was just like, I was trying to do what I thought the assignment was. - Sure.

- And I bombed really badly. I wore, like, I remember when I wore, I wore, I know how you did this. We're actually finding out on what clothes addict. All my memories are marked by like my outfit.

- Well, I would say that you work from the outside in. - Yeah, I do. - Yeah, so actually this is a problem at us in that world. - Right, well, now it's time, now for season six, inside out.

- I'm inside out.

“- I think it's really hard to see you just in a,”

I would love to see you in a neutral dress, a slip dress, hair, natural, no makeup. - Yes, Lee's blowing. (laughing) - Hello, children.

You're homeworks, ladies. (laughing) Big recurring character. You're homeworks, like, okay, I think

I can sort of write that down, it's amazing.

- But this is Warren's big thing with me. He's like, just, let's just, yeah, get it to, and I'm like, for some, okay, it's okay, it's okay, don't, don't beat yourself up. I mean, it's a lot to ask.

- It's a lot to ask. - It's hard. - It's hard to show any, especially when you're, it's like playing with, it's like practicing with your backhand, like you're really,

before you just really strong, and you're like, I can score, and someone's like, now hit it with your backhand, and you're like, now, I know, see what's going on. - I know, see what's going on.

- Yeah, you know what I'm trying? - Yes, okay. - I tried, like, you know, Ashley Padilla started two years ago, and I'm like, oh my God, like, character, and like, everyone, every character she has

is like an internal world, and like, the jokes come kind of easy to her because she has, like, inside she like knows what the character wants, and there's like, there's a motivation there, and I feel like I've been doing it all wrong

for like six fucking years, 'cause I'm like, oh, one of the wiggas weird.

“And then you have to come, like, writing the jokes”

so much harder 'cause you're like forcing it from the other way around, it's outside in, so it's a little harder. - I'm gonna say something right now, I think you're not afraid of the failure.

I think you're afraid of the success, 'cause I actually think you can do it. I actually think you are a good actor, and you're afraid of being successful at it. So, like,

- I want to say, "Can I have some baby?" I'm not afraid of being an actor. I am free. People say that thing where they're like, "Oh my God, you're staying up that's so brave."

I'm like, "It's cowardice. It is true." Yes, it is true cowardice. Like, I, you know, so many things, even in my special,

are like, "Oh my God, you're like loose and riffing." That's all right now. (laughing) You think I would riff during my, "It's real cowardice."

No, I have a pre-planned bit. I'm like, I'm gonna find someone in the crowd wearing glasses, and I go, "Why do you wear glasses to the show?" You go, "You're free with your pee-bassant." (laughing)

- Don't tend to, this is my failure. (laughing) I'm actually in the moment where I'm gonna stand. (laughing) (laughing)

“My God, you should make your own bluber, vulnerable bluber real.”

(laughing) I'm showing my armpits what, hey, hi, hi. Why do you wear glasses to the show? So you could see my pre-pew-bassant body-bettling, wherever everyone goes, oh, you think I,

thought of that on the spot? No, I wrote it down eight years ago, and I've been saying it every day since, sucks. - I feel like once you get the confidence of knowing that you're not gonna be fired from the show,

basically, which is true, like you're at that point.

- Congrats, baby, you're at that point. - I was crazy this season a little bit. - Well, you might get fired from some of these, say, for sure, but not for lack of, like, we don't need to. - Right.

- But yes, you might get fired, yeah, of course, yeah. - I'd be saying, yeah. - HR did want me to talk to you. - Yeah, I'm sorry for what I did in who I talked. - Yeah, yeah, yeah.

- I have to say, like, what I find so impressive about you is you have managed to maintain your self, your POV, and your sense of what you think is funny. - Yeah.

- I, E, like, you coming at Colin and update

“is a perfect example where you're lying to her.”

- Sure, sure. - Okay, I'm going to use this structure. I'm going to hit Colin, who's like the ultimate, like, alpha cheese, white punching bag, successful punching bag, and he can handle it.

- Yes. - And why it's so satisfying to watch, because to me, it also, and you do this a lot in your comedy, especially in your special, where you, like, play around with what I like to call, like,

the millennial threat, like, this idea that, like, someone's going to get something wrong. - Yes. - But people are very scared to screw up. - Yes.

- And I, I have. - Of course, we all have. - Yes. - But you are, like, pressuring the powers that be that they might fuck up, right?

- Right. - It's very exhilarating to watch,

'cause obviously, it's also talking about,

like, cancer goals are like misogyny and, like, payshirking all that stuff, but it's not, it's just funny. - Right. - And it's, like, as mean as I'd be to Colin, calling him a profile, whatever, whatever.

- But I'm really, really mean to myself. - Yeah. - Oh, yes, you know. But even that, it's like, I got lucky on the show, because he, he would, I joined the show as a complete,

I was shocked that I was there. All my friends like the inside joke was like, okay, Sarah's gonna show up as a waiter, so you know, want some water, man, and they got fired. You know, that was the big joke of my friends,

who were apparently, like, love me and are nice to me, right? - But so it was like, so I was happy to be there. - Yeah. - And I wasn't expecting anything to happen, like I was writing sketches, but I didn't really know,

I didn't even have final draft until midnight on writing night, like, I didn't know about any of this. And then, so I wasn't getting any sketches on the show, but I didn't really care. But then Colin was like, why don't you come on update

and do, like, your yourself? And I didn't even know that you could do that. - There is some version of getting known on the show, but it doesn't stamp you forever, but like, where people see you as a person, right, face.

- But I wouldn't have done that. - Yeah, I didn't say so 'cause it felt like presumptuous or something. - Right, I'm really was there to be like a good sport and just do whatever the job was. - Okay, but I just want to gently say to you

“that you should just take credit for that success”

because even though it was in your original idea, perhaps we all know that we're collabing. (laughing) We're collaborating, working together, but you have to deliver.

One other thing I want to ask you about, and then we'll jump off an SNL, but, - I'm sorry. - Let's talk about Louis Carion. - What is there to say?

- Louis runs the makeup department, and he is incredible. - It's crazy.

- Like, let's talk about him for a second

and what he's made for you. - Ah, what has he? - He does, it thrusts that eggs and makeup takes time. - Yeah. - And like, I think I've seen people describe

the SNL makeup experience as a pick crew. There's like eight people putting on a bald cap at once. I've moderated Comic-Con panels for him. Where it's like, it'll be a guy in a Grogu, Grogu suit, or whatever being like,

"Sir, what's your fastest bald cap application?" - And he goes, "Two minutes and a minute, "you hear the crowd go, "whoo!" (laughing) - Yeah.

- You see like every X-Men character in like a blue-man or a boat. - Like, they should make a TV show like the pit. - Yes. - And they make it in the makeup room of Louis's room

because they have like, in the pit, the way they like save people by like stabbing them in the heart. Like, that's how Louis has to do makeup. - Yeah, he's ripping a bird beak off and putting googly eyes on my eyes.

He's getting out there. But by the way, he's having so much fun. Like, he never says no. He's having so much fun. He films the whole thing.

And it's like, we could have like 45 seconds to get me looking from Jessica Robert into like Ms. Grinch or whatever. And it still is like one-solving. And it's like hilarious, he gets off on the thrill of it.

He, he, like my favorite, we did a thing where it was like, it was supposed to look like me and Michael B. Jordan got stuck on a roller coaster. And it like, our in blue are like hair and mouth open. And I was like, I was like, can you make it look like,

I have a speculum in my mouth like blowing my mouth out, but you don't see any plat. Like it just has to look like it's naturally like that. And he doesn't say no. - Right.

“- Well, that's what I think is emergency room doctor”

is like, we'll see what we can do. - Yeah, we'll get his clothes. - We'll get his clothes. - I think so. - I think so.

- I think so. - For a comedy show. - It's the same stage. - And that's if there's any take away. It's that what you do is important

as people that work in the year. - No one made their pots and pans for me. (laughing) - That is. - This is another major question.

If you had unlimited funds. - Oh. - And you couldn't make any disgusting creation what would it be. - I don't know if I want to ask you this question.

- Yeah, maybe let's say on SNL, so we have to say that it passes like you have, it like, 'cause there have been, that isn't, this is another reason why I working outside in, I love that.

- Taking that. - And when I write my book about that.

- So you have four with your book. - I'm taking outside it.

“- It's like, it's such, it can be such a hindrance”

because like me and Dan Bola had like this idea for like maybe a sketch that's like at like a facial spa or something and when they take our sheet masks off, it just pulls the whole front of our face off. - And for years, I mean, Louis had been like,

why are we gonna do that? 'Cause like when I first started the show, I was in like one sketch every six and a half months. So like, but now it's like, maybe maybe maybe I'll be playing Trump right before hands

who knows James I'm coming for your breakfast and I'll tell you what I'm gonna do. So it's like, if I had unlimited funds, it would be like, I would be able to do something like that really fast with Luke, like, I just wanna take my whole face off.

- Why? - Why do you want to? - I don't know, it's really weird and it's not normal. - It is, like when you say that, my brain pictures it and I'm like, Sarah, Sarah, you just made her like so much harder. - But I know, but it's just, it also is like,

there is a, there's such a incredible performance art artist like, like you have a Cindy Sherman vibe. - Oh, you have a mum, like you have a growth. - You have a, like a, a dance with the growth task

that's super interesting and it's always like what level

is like gross, like what, does, what gross does you, does anything gross you out? - The other day, literally, I, like, you know how people like chew on their, like sleeves are like, - Oh yeah, like what, what fabric on my teeth?

Like I got greased on on the train, on the tooth is my own sleeve and it, like, gave you a chill and that's like my nails on a chalkboard just like stuff like that. - Okay, but any kind of, like, your face peeling off

your down. - Oh good. - Oh good. - Oh good. - And then, my last question in the SNL space is

'cause we all have them. What is your SNL stress dreams look like? - Oh, I actually wrote a sketch about this. - Okay, incredible. - It is, oh my God.

“I wish I could remember the sketch 'cause it was like,”

- You and you say it all night, you're like, I'm getting a Nobel Peace Prize, but it was about to class the sketch.

- Yeah, they always went the Nobel Peace Prize.

I'm like, if I read it, I read it two years ago, I'm sure if I read it today, I'd be like, - What? - You know what I mean? - Yes, my stress dream is always writing, right?

- Okay. - And it's always, I get to, I'm at writing night. And the clock says it's like midnight or one in the morning and I don't have anything yet. And I'm going for room to room with, like,

my tin can being like, leave me with me and everyone's like, no, I'm already busy, I already have my thing for the week and I'm going door to door down the hallway and the hallway gets longer.

Very, okay, Christopher Nolan, don't steal this. (laughing) - You're at a C2, oh yeah. - I wanna see two. - Yeah, the human sent to be.

(laughing)

“- Don't send me with a good time, maybe faller.”

And the hallway just gets longer and longer and I'm like, does anyone want to write with me? And that's like, that's the most anxious about all the time. It's like, bombing on live TV is one thing. Bombing, trying to get someone to write a sketch with you,

is a fate worse than death. - I have one more stress stream that was my first year. - Okay. - Which was, there's a prop toilet on the floor of eight age. This I have this dream two times.

There's a prop toilet on the floor of eight age. I know it's not hooked up to any pipes. I know it's a prop and I shouldn't it anyway. And everybody's looking at me like the last shot and murder on the Orient Express,

there's like a shot where they're like, all looking down at this dead body and you see the view of the dead body looking back and everyone. And I see everyone looking at me going, "The toilet's not hooked up to any of the lines you do that."

And I'm like, "I know, I have no idea what happened." And my young and dream analyst at the time said, that when you poop in a dream, grass, it's like you're putting work out there and you're embarrassed.

(laughing) - I worked hard, yeah. - And also, do you have a young and dream? - Do you do a lot of therapy? - I do.

Many times a week. - Ooh, fun. - Doesn't this seem to be working? - Online or in-purs? - I'm on the couch.

- You're on the couch. - She-a. (laughing) - I'm lying down in the couch. - And the whole time?

- What? - I'm doing like analysis.

- I'm called, I'm doing, and now, that's always cool.

- Yeah. - And just, I just noticed recently, because I don't look at my therapist, and sometimes I'll be like, "Yeah, ma'am, ma'am." - Ma'am or female therapist?

- Of course it's a man. (laughing) - It's not fixed. It's a man. It's not working.

A woman would fix it. - Because, and I said something,

like he wants it. He forgot he was there. - Yeah, and I was like, "Stop." I don't know why. That was so, I immediately, I was like,

I never looked at him, and I was like,

"Oh my God, it's together." (laughing) - You're making me think about my stress dreams for SNL, less about like, will you guys, where can I get in here

and write with people or like, "Oh, no, my shit in my toilet, you guys don't like, which is your work, which is the first one." - But mine was disappointing. Mine was about disappointing like powerful figures.

It's a very gen XE stress dream. So mine was always, mine was always about, I would often have it, which is at here Jenna, Russetano as we talked about the great AD calling me, and I would realize, "Oh my God, I'm not on stage."

Like, I'm missing my Q, and I had it more than once where I'd be running down from 98, and I'd pass everybody who's opinion I cared about. - Maybe look at you. - And they would go like this.

And like, and it was, everyone, you could imagine it, was people from my past, it was people working on the show,

it was always, of course, more than like,

and everyone was just like, "Wow, you really let us down." (laughing) It was like, "Oh my God!" It was like, "Hey, we polar, you are late for hot dog burnments, but where is your prosthetic butt?"

You're funny, wig. It's so crazy. What gives us literal anxiety, trauma, is like, you running to go do like, you're gonna stir butt in the hot dog hospital.

(laughing) And more going, you're a disappointment to your father. And like, wait, I have to go be the captain, crunch them in with all. (laughing)

(laughing) - So stupid. - So stupid. - So stupid. - So stupid.

- Okay, and the last question of that, that Beatra wanted me to ask you, and she had so many good ones. Was like the, and you're talking, you've talked about it a little bit,

but like the biggest bomb and the best and the favorite show you've ever done,

“because we talk about you must have bombed big time,”

and I'm kind of fascinated about your time opening with Adam Sandler, who talk about what I mean, terrific, lovely person, and like nicest person probably to be around, and open for it, but the audience might not have been

that ready for you. - He is so good way to say it. (laughing) - Thank you, and thank you. I'll take it away from here.

- Okay. (laughing) - It is, okay, butt-sucking initiation. (laughing) A computer enhanced butt-sucking right now.

You and Adam, and there have been other cat like Fred. You guys are so menchy that it's like, I'm thinking of people who would like, how could anyone do SNL without the mentions?

Like I have Adam being like, you're doing great kid. Like I wouldn't have worn my brains out from here to the western sea board if I didn't have him being like, "You got it, dude." - Yeah.

- So every time you see him,

“how's your mother, how's your father, how's Hanukkah?”

What's going on? - I love you, wow, how are you? So menchy, and like opening for him, I have bombed a lot because people have paid good money to do there.

They have hired babysitters. They drove all the way from Hackensack. They are six drinks in. They are there to see Adam Sandler. Not one guy that presents Sarah Sherman,

something they don't know who's sweating up there. They have paid good money to see the wedding singer. - Well, honestly, when I was watching your special, I was fascinated by the audience. - 'Cause I was like this audience.

So your special Sarah Squirm live in the flesh. Live and in the flesh, live plus in the flesh. - Thank you. - That was a big thing.

- Live plus in the flesh, and first of all,

why is it Sarah Squirm? - That was how I, like when I was doing these basement shows with a tree zone stuff, it was just like the poster, I was like, a wrote written in guts.

I was like, and also I was like, perform with bands like, piss, piss, mone, mone, mone, mone. Rest in peace, Alejandro, he has passed. - This crazy thing doesn't. - But like I was like, so I was like,

I don't want to just be like Anne Sarah. - And then Sarah, so like I was kind of like, yeah, it was like, it was like, it was like your punk persona. - Yeah, it was like, it was like x-ray specs and then Alice Cooper or something.

- Yeah, and I like, it's very music. - It's very music, that's like the show, that's like, it was the shows that I was doing 'cause I was like, I just, you know, it was, it was the vibe.

- Yeah, and did you get pressured to,

“it was like, did people say it should be Sarah Sherman?”

- So then when I got, so, like I auditioned for,

they, oh no, I was doing,

“I was just performing Sarah Sport with the time”

and I wasn't really like thinking about it and then when I got, so that's on all of my SNL paperwork is just they found me at a show as Sarah Squarms. So that's still on my paper.

- So I can't believe you've never been paid.

- I've never been paid, I don't want that. - My alter ego works there. Point to another ghost over here. - My alter ego works there. - And Lauren, when I got the job, Lauren called me

and was like, oh, Sarah, like Lauren's calling you and I was like, oh, and he's like, we think Squarms is a little distracting. And I go, say no more. (laughing)

- And you can have me know who liked that. - Yeah, parents. - Yeah, my mom is still, still this day. It's like, people will be like, "Hi, I'm Mrs. Squarms."

She's like, no, yeah, don't call me that. - Yeah. - They want to hear Sherman up. - They want to hear Sherman. - Yeah, and so when I was doing the special,

like, no, you know, people don't know me from stand up really 'cause I know the tickets sales show. (laughing) It's burned. Whoa!

(laughing) They like, you know, everyone's like,

“it should be like Sarah Sherman in the flash,”

but I'm like, but that's not the character. - Yeah, I get it. And it really helps set like the table. Like you set the table really fast. And in fact, the table is set.

- It's set. - Because it's got the full lights. - It's set.

- The special starts with something I've never seen

in a company. - Which is like, it's like, there's like a warning of a graphic violence. - There is. - It's like, there's a warning of graphic.

Like there's so many warnings. - There is. - And you also start with John Waters. - I know. - Which is the ultimate trigger warning.

- Yes, you're here. - You're so right. If he's like what I kind of put a stamp on something, yeah, you know that like there's gonna be so much poop. - Talked about for sure.

- Yeah. - And also just like, he's like, this, I mean, he's, what does he mean to you, John Waters? - Like, how did you get him?

- How do you get him? - I see, you wrote him a letter. - I wrote him a letter. That was like, I drew like everything, what's so helpful with visual art,

or like, all this, it's like,

you can provide your own trigger warning. Always. - So I wrote like, for the posters for Helltrap, it's like, there's a bit of a whole, that's bleeding with an eyeball.

Like, you know what you're gonna tell my God. - Sarah, enough, enough, okay. So I wrote a letter and there was like, and Tesla's all over it, and I was like, do you wanna like, you know,

there's this, do you wanna play this stage manager in my Santa's special? And I was like, you're seeing partner will be this, and then I drew a little picture of me as like the bones and guts on the floor.

And I'm like, this is what you're gonna be talking to. And then I put my number at the bottom of the letter, and I was like, if you're interested, call me or whatever, and then I was gonna end up therapy on a particularly devastating read of a day.

I had just bought a loaf of sourdough bread and it was literally walking down my block, ripping off a piece of bread and eating it, like an animal or a raccoon. Good job, Lauren, you do.

(laughing) And I got a call from an unknown number, Baltimore area code. - 'Cause there's no wanderers, I'll see you on set. - What?

And I said to my producers, 'cause I had written this stage manager character. - What are you going to say it? I'll see you on set. - No, I was like, that's an old school fun way to say it.

I see you on set. - And I was like, do you want me to, is there anything you wanna say? And he's like, I'm not writing it, you wrote it. I'm saying what you wrote.

And I go, that's professional. - Yeah, yeah. - He doesn't have fun show, he's like, I'll be--

“- And I've had he had about like a two hour door to door, right?”

He was like, he got hard out of me. - He got here in an hour and a half. - He was being hilarious and he was pitching jokes. - Yeah. - He could have said it.

- And guess what, they made it in. - Yes. - Okay. - You want some vizine, 'cause my eyeballs out. That was a John Waters original riff.

- Yeah. (laughing) - It's like, I'm the luckyest girl in the world. That's a crazy thing. I keep going my tests and all,

but you're bringing it out of me, girl. I, if I didn't have a smell, I would be a random crazy person. But I want to say something, I don't find you crazy. I don't think you're crazy.

That's why you're interesting. - Wow. - Because if you were truly detached in a way, not-to-name names, but like, other sometimes like performers who are kind of in your

milieu or vibe are, then it's hard. (laughing) Then it's kind of hard to attach. - Sure. - It is hard.

Like it's like, okay, they're in their own creative world, but like, I don't know, we're just gonna kind of watch it from afar, but you aren't. - So it's interesting because you're a command of what you're doing in a way that's.

- Right, there is, but I'm like, without us an out, would I have been able to do this crazy comedy special? - Yeah, yeah. - There's like a clay butt that starts out of dust.

Would John Waters have agreed? Like, I don't know, probably not. - Thank God. - And for people that have listened all the way to the end, I mean, there is a clay butt that-

you know, like, it turned it off. - Yes. - Turn it off. - Speaking of comedy as we end. Who are you listening to, Laff,

“because you know, you do comedy all day for a job?”

Who, what do you watch? - Yes. - To laugh. Like, what is your checkout? Like, is it a video?

Is it a, are you watching all movies? Are you like, what's making you laugh?

- Most recent, always real housewives.

(laughing) - That's the last question. Meet your head for you, is, are you enjoying real housewives for an island? - Listener, Sarah is just like-

- She's, she's just, she's a gas at the obvious, yes. - Did you grow up watching soaps? - Yeah, I watched it on a hospital. - Which was my favorite show a month ago. - Wait, what are you on a soap?

(laughing) - I begged to be on a hospital, so I could bring my mom. And we met Sunny current those in soap, for days. - Yeah.

- Okay, I just talked to Paula Pal, who also loves soaps and has not been on one and I feel like, Paul, she definitely would be like, (laughing) - Oh, yeah.

- I feel like, are you kidding? And I was like, no, no, who did you plan the soap? - Hey, woman. (laughing)

“- A Russian, yeah, the Russians are eating.”

- The Russians are eating. - No.

- I love talking about what makes me laugh.

I was watching Home Moves the other day. - Historical laughing. Like, ha ha ha ha, of your family. - No, I wish, actually, that would be nice or the cartoon.

- Oh, hi! - Oh, yeah. - Yeah. - Home, okay. - I don't know, Home Moves.

- It's fucking funny, and it's very crude animation. - Yeah, it's funny. - And it's funny. - Yeah. - It's so funny.

- Dying laughing. - Oh, we've got some friends in there. - Right, friends in there. - A shum Benjamin, okay, got it. So it's laughing.

And it's animated to come, created by Brendan Small. - You're a large bushard. - Yes. - Bob's burgers, got it, got it, got it. - Oh, laughing.

- So are you a big animation girl? - No. - Oh, you're not. - No. - 'Cause I bet people are like, you're like animation.

- You look like a cartoon, you fucking bugged. - I bitched. (laughs) - Jesus. (laughs)

- Sarah, apologize. - Sarah, you said it to yourself. - You said it to yourself. - I apologize. - I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

- I'm sorry, I'm sorry. - I'm sorry, I'm sorry. - I'm sorry, I'm sorry. - I'm sorry, I'm sorry. - You're not a cartoon person.

- No, 'cause they like it. They can't promote or anything. Like I love Brendan Stinby. I'm not like laughing out loud. - Yeah.

- So, I don't know why. - You're just loving it. - Get in there. - Yeah, that's good. - Get in my ass and then that's really funny.

“- I just did, do you know Holly would handbook the podcast?”

- I love Holly would handbook. - I was. - Okay, I saw. - Shout out to Holly would handbook. Those guys are hysterical.

I saw them recently in a restaurant and asked if I could be on their pod. And they were like, no, they were like, we're booked. And also I watched you and Holly would handbook.

And that bit went on forever. - So it was 40 minutes. - Yeah, it's just one long bit. - Just one long fat joke. - And it, it was so,

I love a bit that goes on that long. - I love it. - And so you were like acting like they hated it. - I love it. - They say like Sean will say one.

I can't, like I was laughing like a baby last. Like I was going like, laughing so hard, sweating through my pants. So I didn't throw my hat in my pants. - I know, I think there's some delight.

And it's kind of, I'm gonna bring us back. - Yeah. - There is some kind of delight that you have that I share, which is, if you get to be around like like-minded

and safe people and you guys are like playing like and going like just on the corner and edges of things, but it's with people that are like, not just like nice people that you like,

basically there's no greater joy

because it feels like you're actually like, I guess I imagine it would be like entering dangerous terrain with people who are really skilled that will take care of you. - Yeah. - That's the closest, I mean, we're not actually-

- That's the most relaxed that the side. - I love that too. I love, I love a family that teases each other. - Yeah. - That to me is a sign of intimacy and it's a sign of safety.

If you're with, obviously it's the right people the right way. But like when that happens, it feels like like a special kind of magic. And like, yeah, we are making fat jokes. Is that amazing?

No, but it's safe. You can like be a little scary when it's like safe. - Yes. - Oh, you're so right. - Well, congratulations on being a vet.

- Oops. (laughing) - Was that an abrupt goodbye? What should we do? I'm gonna put my shoe back on.

- Oh, oh, oh my God! - You believe that I've had my shoes off the entire time. - Did how do you feel? Did you feel grounded? - I didn't feel bad.

- I don't mind it. Like, I didn't do it. I didn't, yeah, I don't even mean like, was I grounding during that time?

You were talking to me, really?

- Are you a shoes off person in your house? To people upstairs? - I choose myself. - My shoes on, and I like, frank and signed boots all day.

- Yeah. - I'm not even wearing them right now, so you think I'm a fucking liar. - I'm wearing loads of cuties though. But let's not show them for free.

- Yeah, let's not show them for free. - Oh, man, I'm gonna pay for that. - Yeah. - That's correct. - A lot.

- We're on TV, isn't it?

- Yeah, and hey, I'm gonna do it.

- We're gonna do it.

“The only thing robots don't have human feet.”

- And when they show them, they have an extra toe, and that's kind of interesting. - And if you were listening the very beginning, Sarah has a weird condition where her big toe is just a sack of bones.

So if that's your kink, (laughing) and you gotta go to her toe channel. (laughing) - And if you were only listening to the end of this podcast,

weird, why didn't you listen to that beginning?

Did you just like scrubbed in? - And if that's your kink, then we're not kink chamey. But you might wanna think about listening a podcast entire way through, 'cause it also might be satisfying.

- Or, I like to kink chamey.

“I think it's weird when people like stuff, that's weird.”

(laughing) - All right. - Sarah, thank you for doing that. - We love you, Sarah. - Thank you for coming.

- Thank you. (clapping) - Thank you so much, Sarah, Squirm. Sarah Sherman, it was so fun to talk to you, and you're so fast and funny.

And yeah, what did the light? And you know, Sarah, and I talked about a lot of people that we've had the pleasure to work with, but I just wanna give a little shout out again to a woman in my life who really shaped my career.

And I know a lot of people in Chicago could say the same, and that is Sharna Halpern. Sharna was the creator and the person who started a theater called Io in Chicago with Del Clos. And Sharna was just one of those people

that if she saw something in you,

“she put you in front of important people,”

and she put you on stage, and in my case, she changed my life. So thank you, Sharna, for helping me meet most of the people who I still work with today. And for those of you that are in Chicago,

go see improv, and go see it in any city, support it today, and every day, and support the arts. Okay, thanks, bye. You've been listening to Good Hang. The executive producers for this show are Bill Simmons,

Jenna Weiss-Berman and me, Amy Poler. The show is produced by the ringer and paper kite. For the ringer, production by Jack Wilson, Kat Spelaine, Kaia McMillan, NLA as an eras. For paper kite, production by Sam Green,

Joel Lovell, and Jenna Weiss-Berman. Original music by Amy Miles.