Episode 539: Angelo Keely: Essential Amino Acids for Fat Loss Without Muscle Loss and Better Recovery

Pressure it! - Today we're talking about something almost everyone gets wrong when it comes to fat loss and staying tone.

Thinking the answer is simply eating more protein.

But what actually drives muscle repair are the essential amino acids inside that protein. And this matters more than most people realize. Hassell loss doesn't start in your 60s, for many of us it begins after 30. And if you're dieting, training hard, or trying to stay lean as you age, that process can accelerate even faster.

“That's why I'm super excited to talk to Angela Keyley today.”

Angela is the CEO of Keyon and has spent more than two decades studying nutrition, performance, and the science of amino acids. In this episode, he explains why not all protein works the same, why essential amino acids can outperform protein powder for muscle synthesis and how they can help you lose fat without losing muscle.

We also talk about the hidden muscle loss risk during GLP1 weight loss, why losing becomes more important as we age and how amino acids can improve recovery. If you care about staying lean, strong, and metabolically healthy, as you get older, this conversation is definitely worth paying attention to, so let's get into it. All right, you guys, welcome to Habits and Hassell.

We have a friend of mine, a new friend, actually, who's on the podcast today. His name is Angela Keyley. He is the founder of a company called Keyon, and I really wanted him to be a guest. For multiple reasons, one being that he is the expert of experts on something that I think most of us don't know anything about, which is amino acids, very overlooked.

And so he has graced me and us with his presence to tell us everything we need to know

to really optimize our health, one thing that we never seem to ever focus on, so without further

a deal. Thank you for being on Habits and Hassell. Thanks for having me, Jen. It's so great to see you. I'm excited to be here.

I'm excited to see you again. I know. We met really for the first time face-to-face. What was that mutamodia, right? And we'd like deep-dived into so many things.

First of all, you are the most fascinating person that I've met in a very long time. Your story is very interesting, unique. Can you kind of just give us an overview before we even deep-dived into Amino's and all the things, who you are, what you're about, and what kind of led you to where you are sitting here?

Those are big questions. I know who you are and what you're about. You know, I think honestly, a lot of who I am and what I'm about, it's maybe not as relevant to amino acids. As we talked before, I really love my family, so who am I, I'm a dad and a husband, and

I just like really being part of my family and raising kids and, yeah, just relationship. You think of that out well? You think? Yeah. But if the question is more like, how did I end up here on the show?

How do we know each other down and why do I know stuff about amino acids? I can tell that story.

“Well, I think there's a lot of like, there's like a lot of dub tails here, right?”

'Cause how you grew up with your parents and how you became someone who became very specialized in this one area. I think it's very interesting. So, yes, why don't you kind of just say, like, what kind of, what kind of was your story

to kind of even start a supplement company in the first place?

So it does go back really far. It goes back to childhood. My parents, I was born and raised outside Austin, Texas, to very hippy parents, like born at home, not vaccinated, didn't go to a doctor till I was seven, like school, very hippy, my parents owned a natural health food store, a natural health food restaurant, and

we actually moved to Austin because my dad was like an early partner in Whole Foods trying to do a restaurant business. And so like, they were very, they were like hippies, but they were also entrepreneurs. And I... That's interesting.

Yeah. That's like kind of an oxymoron, right? Like that to me. They're so hippy, but yet also very, that a business.

“Yeah, I think that's, I mean, so maybe, yeah, I mean, they're very hippy.”

But yeah, they were like, I mean, my dad's from the East Coast, he's like a kind of old school East Coast, like Alpha Intense Dude, a hustler, not, and a hustler, I think in the, I think in the terms that you use the word hustler. Yes. You know?

Yeah. That's like, make things happen. So of that spirit, but, you know, he was, went to Woodstock and got a post to like, herbs, and, you know, and so, yeah, so I mean, imagine this guy with a super long beard, crazy long hair who's like the exclusive importer of Korean ginseng to Mexico, like that's

Exactly. Okay. So it was very interesting. The way you described them to me and in your story, I found it to be fascinating. If you don't remember, I was like, like, hanging on every word, and so was my friend

with all the stuff. So okay. So that's, so yes, to you, you grew up, you parent had a, had like, a health food store, the whole food thing that that was very interesting, then what? Yeah.

The one other thing I name in that is that my parents were pescatarians, and I was maybe like a thing at that time, it was more popular in, in that region. And yeah, so we ate a lot of vegetable-based, like plant-based proteins, tofu, but we also ate fish, and because of that, my parents talked a lot about protein, like, as a little

“kid, I knew you need to eat beans and rice together.”

You should eat quinoa and lentils together for not going to have like fish tonight. So I was, I was brought up in that, my mom gave me, I mean, you know, assets as a kid. She was a very committed master swimmer. And so my parents were into fitness, and they were in the health, but they're also like hippies.

And so, yeah, I was just like, brought up in that, I, you know, naturally, though, as you grow up, you, you create your own path. At some point, like, you know, just take the program that your parents give you. And I think one, maybe think it makes that more intense in my environment was that my parents were very, more entrepreneurial, kind of like, very untraditional alternative.

And next, not maybe the right word, but like, you got to like, figure out your own path. Like, there was not like a, right, you should just do this and do that. It's like, even at the dinner table, it's got to like, fight for your ideas, etc.

And so, when I grew up, it was always me, like, creating my own path, learning my own

lessons. And I learned very hard lessons. So when I was, you know, when I was around, you know, I got getting to high school, like, now I'm eating whatever I want to eat, doing whatever I want to do, taking lots of drugs. And I have this very terrible experience when I'm 16 and a half, where I take too much

of the electricity, I'm in the wrong neighborhood, I provoke some people that are way more hardcore than me. And they stab me twice in the back, they stab me in the knee. So I have, you know, huge scar down my abdomen, and I had to get my petal attendant reattached, and then they beat me literally to almost like a pulp.

So I wake up in the hospital days later from this, and that began like a really long journey for me in terms of healing my mind around it. Like obviously, like emotionally and psychologically, like I had PTSD from that, and totally, which, I mean, I just, a really bad trip will do that to you. But you go through that kind of, or that kind of physical trauma, but you combine them.

It was like deep, and physically, like I, you know, I couldn't walk for a long time and

“I had to recover, and how long couldn't you walk for?”

It actually was faster than you think, and that's amazing, like just contemporary medicine

and being a kid. It's like, I think I was within a few months, like I was laid up for a while, but it'd be like if you tore, you know, your ACL, whatever, 20 years ago. Wow. Yeah, so, you know, but I go through that, and it's a crazy story.

You just woke up one day, like, like, woke up at, like, being stabbed, and you don't even know who did it, how it happened, nothing. I mean, I blacked out a lot if they experienced. I mean, there's a more, I mean, there'd be a whole other story to go down that whole line.

I know, I know, I know, I know. But you remember, I couldn't believe, like, when you told me that in story initially, I was like, like, that's just, that's like, you did, you said it so by the way, like, it wasn't a, like, that, that is, that actually, I would think would kind of define the trajectory of your life.

That's a major trauma in your life, right? That would change how you do everything. It was very transformative.

“And I think there's all different ways to talk about it.”

You know, one, I think when I was at that age, two big things came up for me.

One was this idea of, like, almost like the absolute value, scale in life, like we're always

trying to increase and get more and more and more positive. But actually when you experience something that dark or suffering or like these really terrible things, it broadens your whole perspective and suddenly, like, the palette of life experiences broader and bigger and like you, I was able to value more things in life than I was prior to that because before I had just hadn't, and suffered like that ever.

Right. And then I think the other thing that comes up to is just when you, this, this, what I realized to that was that whether I make decisions or I don't make decisions or I define something I want or I don't define something I want, I am creating my life all the time. Whatever I have in mind, the actions I choose to do every day, the beliefs that I have,

like, that is going to manifest what my life becomes. And actually like these other kind of hippy friends of what, the parents of one of my friends gave me this book like Creative Visualization by Shakti Garwin, which is like an old school kind of creative visualization book and I read that and it really, it influenced me that I think to to understand and see that, like, yeah, like I, I'm going to create my life.

And I think a lot of people that doesn't happen until you're 40 maybe, like you realize you've just been following the recipe that your parents or society or whatever gave you. Totally. And so that was the blessing for me. A while it was this terrible painful experience, it made me really value life.

It made me realize I can create my life and, you know, bad things don't actually have

It's so interesting, you see that it's like all about how your perspective is and how

you choose to, like how you choose to utilize whatever that experience is.

“I'm reading a book right now, I think I was telling you, maybe I wasn't, the courage”

to be just like, yeah, right now, I was telling you, and the book starts by talking about that. Like you're not a victim of your past, it's all about how you choose to, or what you choose and how you choose to perceive that and then move forward with that, right? And how you see something is, can be very different how someone else sees something.

And then it's a ripple effect, right? I mean, I, I 100% believe in that. Yeah, I know. That too. And I think that whole experience and even now reflecting back on it, my life, gave me humility

around, this is kind of paradoxical what I'm saying now. It's like, I create my life and the decisions I make are going to define what happens to me next and I don't want to sit around, like kind of blaming things in the past or all that. And what is it, like, what was it in me that opened me up to this possibility of like having even this attitude or being positive about it?

Right. And it's like, I don't know, but I'll accept that as like luck or grace or there's also a bunch of stuff I'm not in charge of, you know, I think of all the different types of people in life right now that have gone through something hard and some people figure it out. And it turns in this positive thing and some people get stuck in it and it's like, I guess

I don't sit around judging the people that haven't figured out as like, why don't you like suck it up? Right. Right. Part of it's like, I'm just, I'm grateful that I got like that you don't just suck it up.

That you actually suck it up and just get, yeah, and whatever that is, like whether it's some little power, I'm blessed or whatever, like I accept and I'm grateful for it and it has worked out for me. And maybe also that really bad thing that happened to you gave you the impetus and the power to kind of do all these things because you didn't want to waste your life.

If you didn't want to, you had much more of an expansive idea of like how to like live life

“to the fullest and experience things and go places because like your life is so interesting.”

And so that's a whole other podcast completely. But then how did, how did, how did it end up in supplemented? Yeah, like how did it end up in supplements? Yeah, yeah. So I think, so that, that basically kick started this like personal health journey for me.

It wasn't my parents that was mine and that was around like, and not just playing sports but like real fitness and trying to become really fit and become really healthy and heal myself with food and taking, you know, starting to take protein powder and thinking about amino acids again and all these types of things, not because like my parents told me to or because I want to be good at sports or something but because I really want to

like live, I want to have this like awesome body that's it's awesome vessel and I want to help my mind, some doing therapy all this. And I think it just kick started this kind of personal development project that just kept going and it didn't take me directly back into starting a supplement company, right? But it took me into, yeah, without counting my whole story, like I lived overseas for

many years and explore a lot of different types of careers, but during that whole time,

it was always this search of like trying to find mental health, emotional health, physical

health. I ended up back in Boulder, Colorado. Well, so I was raised in Austin, but I ended up back in Boulder, Colorado. I built and ran this behavioral health care company that was focused action and really helping youth like me, like that kid that we just talked about in 2016, very much helping kids

like that for many years and then it kind of reached its end and I think it's hard not to talk about it like fate, almost or the same way I described before like yeah, I have a will power to like do you know to like lean in to hard things and to have courage.

“And I think I only realized after starting key on like, whoa, I started like a supplement”

company where amino acids, which is like my mom's favorite supplement when I was a little kid would be the focus and I didn't do it like I want to make my mom proud, but it's pretty weird like that I I just circled back to this space. I mean, consciously, I cared about protein, I cared about amino acids, I cared about fundamental nutrition, like what are the what are the nutritional supplements that we

actually really truly need and can benefit from to live much better. Not just like some new hip products, but like this stuff I want to take every single day I want my family to take, like that's that's where it's that's where I like that's why I was committed to it, but on some level, I'm like it is weird. It's almost like I built the company like my three year old mom.

Exactly. It's up literally. Yeah. Very subliminally the fact that your mom even knew about amino acids back then, it says a lot because this is what I found interesting when I like deep dived into all of this about

amino acids in my own journey, which we'll get to in a second or more than a second,

it is it's such a basic fundamental foundational thing, the amino acids, yet so overlooked. You hear so much about protein, you hear so much about creatine, you hear so much about collagen, nobody ever talks about amino acids, which by the way, the benefits and like what you can get from it are they actually super seed everything else.

Like first tell us what are amino acids because I am sure most people listening are like they've heard the word like in the kind of like in the vortex of life, but they still don't know what it is. And why is it important? So I'm going to answer why it's important first is like the headline, make sure we all

stay interested. Okay. We might go through some science here and you check me if we're getting like two borrower or going through like. I thought you'll see me calling this leaf action, they have like that.

You'll see me snoring on the on the sofa. No, I promise. I promise. So I'm going to say this and then we're going to come back to this essential amino acids are the active part of protein that basically create most or all of the benefits.

And they're this essential nutrient that if you don't get them you're going to suffer with issues related to your skin, hair, nails, muscle, organ function, et cetera, on and on.

So it's this key thing that's basically driving the health of all of these different

types of organs and bodily functions. So now what is it? Why is it? Why is it? Why is it?

So I think this is a time actually kind of helpful to take a step back and link up to things that people maybe think they understand. Okay. But let's see if they like, well, we'll see if you do. Right?

Yeah. So there's three of these three main macro nutrients, protein, carbohydrates, and fat. If you think about, I like to use the metaphor of your body basically being like a house, right? So to run this house that we're in, you need energy, you need energy to run these lights to run

the dishwasher, et cetera, to do everything in the house, the toaster, all these things. So that is really what carbohydrates are at their most fundamental level in the body. Like it is an energy source that you bring into your body and you actually convert it into

“this thing ATP and like you beat your heart, you move, like that's what it is.”

It's an energy source.

And fat is similar to that.

Fat is like maybe an alternative energy source. Think about like natural gas that you like run into your house to run the stove or something like that. It's an energy source. It also can be used in this part of like building cells, but those two like their primary

role is truly energy. Okay. That is not why you eat protein. Less than 10% of the protein that you eat is used as energy. So why do people eat protein?

So why do people eat protein? It is because we are made of proteins and the proteins that we're made up of get old and break down and have to be replaced. So if we go back to the metaphor of like your body's like a house. So this house that we're in which, by the way, is a beautiful home.

At some point though, like the hardwood floors might start to wear out. Right? The carpet needs to be replaced. You know how many carpet.

But you know, like the the sheet rock got a dent in it.

You know, the kid ran into it or threw a ball at it. Right? Like over time things break down and they start to fall apart. Right? That's just what happens.

“And particularly you might think like appliances, right?”

Right. Like toaster is going to break down before, you know, a really nice, you know, like stone countertop or something. Right? And that's a great analogy.

So just over time things just end up breaking down. Yeah. Or getting worn out. So here's a perfect example. Yeah.

The proteins associated with your, so okay. So let's go down to like what your body, like what is protein in your body over half of the solid mass in your body. So you take out the water and the things that are like hard solid mass over half of that is made up of proteins.

That's a large portion of your bones. That's all your muscles. That's your vital organs. That's your skin, your hair, your nails. But also things that are solid that you might not think about like hormones.

Hormones are made up of proteins. Your neurotransmitters in your brain, the chemicals through which you experience emotions. Those are made up of the derivatives of proteins. So all these things are all these things that are made up of proteins. And they degrade at different time periods.

So your liver has a lot of proteins that it utilizes in it makes. Yeah. 30% of them have to be remade every day.

“So we're talking like that's like paper towels in your house, right?”

We're talking like super quick turnover. Yeah. Your muscle, it's somewhere between one to 2% of your muscle every day has to be broken down and remade with new proteins. That's a pretty big difference.

You get it? Yeah, it makes sense. But is that why like people in middle age start like all you hear about now? I need to eat more protein. I need to eat more protein.

Protein protein is become like the like swansong. Everyone just keeps, it's impossible to consume that much. People feel like it's impossible to consume that much protein. So does that mean that when you hit a certain age, that's when things really start to break down.

Like, you know, it's like the like the at the 40 mark or the 35 mark. Like, what is that mark when really protein starts to break down and we have to really supplement. It starts at 30. Okay.

And it progressively gets worse every decade after that. So 30 even, yeah, it starts at 30, but you want to start it, it's, I mean, it's like lots of things in aging. It starts at 30. You don't really know this.

But at 40, 50, 60, it gets worse and worse and worse and worse.

its own really interesting part about why you would think very differently about protein.

Protein needs are not the same at all stages of life. I know. They're very different. They're very different. Yeah.

And I also want to know how people would know. You said they won't know at 30, so what would be symptoms at 40 or 50, that you know that you're protein deficient besides muscle mass? It's harder to maintain muscle, your skin quality, your hair quality, anything that's made up of these proteins.

That's a question, maybe even like your mood could be an issue. But I think lots of, in lots of cases, people are experiencing with like with kind of pure vanity metrics. And what you can just think of like the proteins associated with your skin, your hair, your nails, your muscle, those are like luxury proteins.

Yeah. Your body is going to make sure you have heart tissue and necessary liver proteins before it makes sure that your skin looks good.

“And so that's why your body starts as your body's ability to digest protein and more importantly,”

it's prioritization and sensitivity to amino acids, which again, we're kind of diving deeper. I think we're kind of keeping this so people get it. It decreases over time, so the body's less responsive to the protein that you eat. That's why you need a much higher concentration of, of particularly loosening, enriched

essential amino acids, certain amount of essential amino acids you want a lot more loosening

in them to overcome that. Any type of stress, aging is one type of stress, but so is weight loss. If you are like restricting calories, your body again, it's not prioritizing keeping your skin, your hair, your nails, your muscle, all that looking good. It's going to use the protein in a really different way.

Or if you're injured or recovering from an illness or you're training really hard for exercise, any of these things where there's a lot of stress, your body needs a different amount of those essential amino acids, and it needs them in a much higher concentration to get the benefits. So, but going back to this protein analogy, where it's like your body's made up of these

proteins and they're breaking down, so here's what happens and out ties back in this amino acid thing we're just talking about. So right now, like literally, if I look at my skin, it's made up of millions of proteins that you can't see them, right? They're microscopic.

But some of them right now are breaking down. And the reason why they're breaking down is because they're just old, like they're not as functional as they used to be. And when that one little protein breaks apart, now I'm going to give you another metaphor with the house.

Think about bricks, like lots of houses are made of bricks. So think about these these proteins are like bricks. And so in my skin, I just see like a wall of skin.

“But that wall of skin is made up of a bunch of little bricks of protein, all right?”

Yeah. Side of those bricks, just like a brick in your house, like a brick in your house is not made up of one brick. It's made up of like thousands of little grains of sand, right? So these, this little protein is made up of lots of little amino acids.

It's like the little grains of sand that make up the brick. And those amino acids, some of them are still good and some of them are no longer good. So when this little protein in my arm breaks apart, I literally pee out some of the amino acids. The ones that are good anymore.

Yeah. They get converted into your rea, you lose them. And some of the amino acids that are in that little brick can actually get reused to make a new piece of skin tissue, a new little protein. And now the question is, okay, well, if I just pee out some of the grains, like I lost half of my brick, you know, I lost half the brick that made up the skin, how do I rebuild

it? That's why you eat protein. When you eat protein, chicken, beef, quinoa, whatever it is, you digest the food, you digest the proteins, the amino acids in it get released into your blood. And they go throughout your entire body, and they help to rebuild your skin, rebuild your

muscle, rebuild liver proteins, make new hormones, turn into your neurotransmitters. And the thing is, there are different qualities of protein based on how dense they are

in these essential amino acids.

Okay. How bioavailable they are, the proportion of them, and so it really, really matters. That the quality of the essential amino acids you're getting in your diet will directly impact all of these things. Okay.

So what are the best quality amino acids proteins that we should be focusing on? So what I'll do is I'll give you like a spectrum of like what the impact is. Okay. So on the, I would say on the, first of all, I want to say, if you're not under stress and you are young, like let's say you're 20 years old, okay.

And you're not training that hard and you're not overweight, you generally eat pretty well. What you're talking about to say is less important and being real, like the amount of

“protein you need to eat the quality of the protein is less important.”

All of these things become more important if we're overweight and we're trying to lose fat or we're particularly over 40 or we're really trying to train hard and like put on muscle. You know, it's like it's under stress where everything about to say matters a lot more. Okay. And aging and aging.

Okay. Over 40. And honestly, aging is the greatest stress-induced physiology.

Unless it's all of us over 40.

Yeah. And it gets more intense as you get older. So on the very, very far end, whether when you're 20, you can do anything. Yeah. I mean, that's what I'm saying.

That's what I'm saying. And I think that's the art. Those these arguments like plant protein versus animal protein or this protein powder amino acids and people like going use studies and talk about things in like, yeah. It all gets blended together and it's like, for some groups, this is less important for

others. It's more important. Yeah. I think this is extremely important for people who are over 40 for sure. Extremely important.

Yeah. This is why that's what you're here. Extremely important for people over 40. And I would just say like, I mean, like, any more active. Yeah.

I mean, quick side note, like my son is a very competitive basketball player. He's, you know, almost 13, but he trains a lot. For him, it actually does matter. He's under a lot of stress. Yeah.

So like, for him, I do think about protein nutrition and amino acids because he's not, he's exercising. Like the re hours of the aging. Exactly. I was going to say also for people who are active, who are very active, who are trying

to like operate and in terms of in their brain at a high level. You want to be like really optimal. Yeah. You want to be optimal. You can't eat like a little as you get older, some possible.

“That's why this is so important because I don't think anyone knows.”

You don't know what you don't know, right? Yeah. So go on. Okay. So on the very far end of the spectrum and terms of protein quality, you

have plant proteins. Right. And that's not to like a thin, anyone who didn't argue with me. And it's like, it simply is the case that plant proteins outside of a very few like tofu and like soy proteins are very high quality, they're like the closest to like animal proteins.

And they get a lot of bad rep because of bioestrogens, but like it's honestly pretty bugged. You look at like even male bodybuilders who consume a lot of like soy and like they have higher testosterone levels than the ones who don't like really. Yeah.

The soy things like that's the whole other argument too. But like if I was, if you're plant based, I would encourage you to eat soy. Yeah. Okay. I mean, you got to look out for other things like GMO and it's kind of a lot of extra calories

when you're eating plant protein. Yeah. So here's going to say, on the very far end, you have plant proteins.

And this is basically any kind of protein that comes from a plant.

And the reason why it's the lowest quality protein is because our body's ability to digest that protein and break it down, right, via like proteolytic enzymes. Like, and this is not about like, oh, I, you know, do I, how much do I chew or what I need to eat? Like it's literally like, we have certain chemicals in our body that help us break down

proteins. Totally. And they're less compatible with the plant based proteins. And so when we try to get the amino acids out of them, we can't get as many. On top of that, they're covered in carbohydrates, typically.

Exactly. So they're very coloric. So you have to eat a lot of it.

“You have to eat five, ten times the amount of it, as you would, if you ate our super”

dense animal protein to get the same amount of protein. Yes. Like, I was telling you yesterday when we were taught when we were together, you know, you said this. Like, if you eat kidney beans, for example, for protein, you'd have that, like, 750 calories

versus like a 250 calorie piece of steak to get the same quality or caliber of protein. Yes. Or like amount of protein. Yeah, and protein. Well, impact.

I would just say like the impact of the protein, because it rather than just talking about grams of protein, it's like how much of it can actually digest and also like and bloating. Yeah. So anyway.

So that's kind of on the very, very far end, right, then, and there's a few of spiraling actually is a remarkably good plant protein, but how much spiraling are you going to eat? I was going to say spiraling is a really good, but also it's not, like, a lot of these plant proteins are not satiating. No.

That's the other issue. Yeah. So you're going to have to eat. We're going to have to eat again, a lot of calories of like carbs, et cetera. You know, so that's kind of on the far end, then you start getting into just, honestly,

whole food animal proteins are all, what about dairy, like yogurt? Dairy's excellent. So as I said, if you choose to be vegetarian, like, I mean, yogurt is in credit. Dairy is like one of the highest quality protein sore eggs, so the most bioavailable protein there is.

Awesome protein. Yeah. But also beef, chicken, pork, fish, like these are all great excellent protein sources. Yep.

But here's what, like, I think becomes more interesting and people don't realize, and this

is where we're really getting to, like, essential amino acids. So in a protein, all of these proteins I just talked about, they're made up of these 20 amino acids. Imagine like 20 little different types of grains of sand that can make up the brick.

“One of them are essential, which by definition means you have to eat them.”

Like if something's essential in nutrition, it just means your body can't make it. Right. Nonacential, literally your body can take those essential nutrients. It can take lucine, isolucine, and turn it into another amino acid, like glycine. Like it actually has the ability to synthesize new amino acids your body does.

But you have to eat the essential ones. On top of that, the essential amino acids are the active component, and I will describe what that means now. And I eat some beef, and I'm going to give you a specific amount because there's really interesting studies on this.

I eat 30 grams of beef protein, and I digest that. There's a certain amount of essential amino acids in that.

of beef is actually protein, because it's full of water, like when you weigh it. Of course. Of the weight, right? Yes, it's full of water. There's other micronutrients, and there's fats, there's other things about a quarter.

“And then of that, less than half of that is essential amino acids.”

So you get this big piece of meat, and actually 12 percent is the essential amino acids.

It's a quite small amount, and what your body is doing is when it digests that meat, the 30 grams of beef protein, it really is just reading for the essential amino acids. And that peak of those essential amino acids, when they hit the blood, that is what tells your body, "Hey, Jen, it's actually okay for you to break down these old skin tissues, these old liver proteins, and rebuild and make new ones."

And the more amount of essential amino acids that hit the blood at once is what corresponds to your body saying, "Let's, it's called turnover, like whole body protein turnover, and muscle protein turnover, like let's break down the old proteins and make new ones." So here's what's shocking, 30 grams of beef protein generates more whole body protein synthesis. There's whole protein turnover in your body, then if you ate twice the amount of that,

70 grams of beef protein, but you ate that beef protein as part of a mixed meal. When you eat the beef with broccoli, with potatoes, which I just want to be really clear, I'm not in any way endorsing some kind of ortho-rexic, like, you know, you just had dinner,

“like I ate a nice whole mixed meal, and that's part of, like, I think being a healthy person”

is like eating whole meals and getting lots of micro nutrients. But when you talk about protein synthesis, and why this would start to matter as we get older and how to optimize our diet, when you say, "Een protein by itself is way more effective than mixing protein with other foods." For the purpose of stimulating this protein synthesis, of telling the body to make new proteins.

That is so interesting, so let's say, for example, I have a piece of salmon with green beans. Would it be less effective than me just eating a piece of salmon on its own? For the purpose of protein turnover, yes, but that's not how I would suggest that you try to construct your diet. I wouldn't be like, all right, now I'm going to start eating my salmon on its own, and then

I'm going to wait an hour and then I'm going to eat my fiber. Well, because there's a whole thing about that too, people eat food separately because of all the other theories and benefits, they say. Yes, and this is not theory, this is very well documented protein and amino acid nutrition science by the leaders of the whole field of academic over the last 20 years.

This is like multiple studies, multiple people, again, and for anyone who's really interested in this stuff, go check out the International Society of Sports Nutrition.

They have a great paper on, specifically on essential amino acids that is overview of this,

but the link out to tons of other pieces, so that alone should kind of blow your mind, but here's a crazy, your thing, way protein, powder, stimulates three times. It's actually here's where I really want to break it down. What is important is the amount of the essential amino acids that are in your blood. Okay.

Okay. And when you consume way protein powder, because it's even more bio-available. It has less of the other, even fibrous material attached to it, and minerals, and it's a more concentrated form of the protein, right? It increases those EAA levels three times as much as beef protein, does like a whole

state, you take 20 grams of steak, or 20 grams of beef protein from steak, or 20 grams of way protein, you'll get three times the impact from the way protein. From way protein, why? And again, it is simply because it is more bio-available, and these amino acids hit the blood more quickly.

So kind of quick hack, and we're going to get to essential amino acids in a second now.

But me, rather than saying like, "Yeah, you need to always separate all your meals." I'd be like, "No, I have an awesome dinner with your family where you eat fiber, which is also good for you." Like all the micro nutrients, and like all these other things, and have a piece of salmon, and have some rice, or whatever else you like, for like a healthy carb.

And when you think about how am I going to snack in the middle of the day, maybe it's not just like one more meal, or even beef jerky, or something, it's like, "Right. The protein shake might actually be a much better bang for your buck. It's going to have less calories, and it's going to have a way greater impact on this protein synthesis, like why you're even trying to consume the protein."

“There are ways to kind of, and that's how I think supplements can really be used, rather”

than replacing your core meals and real nutrition. That's when like supplements... That's when supplements start to make sense, but here's now the mind-blowing impact of what you think about essential amino acids. So now there's this other category of product called essential amino acids, and even

when you get way protein powder, which I love, like my company makes way, we make, in my opinion, like, the best way protein, but like, way protein's awesome.

is quality, most premium, cleanest thing of that protein, less than 45% is essential

amino acids.

“Most of it is the non-essential, which are not bad, they're good, they have good things that”

they do, but they don't increase the protein synthesis at all, zero, and they're very clear studies that show this. Increasing the amount of non-essential, no increase. So when you take an essential amino acid supplement, and it's all the essential... it's only the essential amino acids, you're only getting the act of component. When you give that to young adults, you get into like aging adults, the impact versus

way protein is 3x, so like you want to take five grams of essential amino acids, it's

going to have three times the impact as five grams of way protein, or more equivalently, it's more like five grams of essential amino acids is going to be the same as like, you know, 15 grams of way protein for a young adult. And the reason for that is somewhat obvious, one is it's entirely, it's only the essential amino acids, whereas half of the way protein is these other things, but on top of that, it's immediately digested. It goes into the bloodstream

immediately. So even better than, say, just trying to have a way protein shake in the middle of the day, just take some essential amino acids, and you're getting a way bigger impact than a way protein shake, but even a hugeure, a hugeure is not real word. I like that word. A hugeure, a much larger impact than trying to eat, you know, a can't a tuna, or chicken breast, or one more meal, like it's a way more efficient and effective

way to get that boost. And I think as we see as we talk about getting older, like, you

“need every edge you can get. Yes, exactly. That's what I've noticed.”

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to get an additional 15% off their 90 day starter kit. That's Fatty15.com/habits code habits. And you can find the link in the show notes. Now let's get back to the episode. So you're telling me, just one break. I want to just summarize that. So having a scoop or two way protein is actually more effective than actually for your protein synthesis than having a stick. Yes. Okay. And then how about is way protein more effective than having salmon? Yes. Okay. So

overall in the overarching thing that you said is way protein is the best form of protein that you can get overall. Okay. So I'm talking less about the idea of way protein because I'll just say when you have yogurt and there's that clear liquid on the top. Yeah. That's way protein. So don't throw it away. That's it. Really? Yes. So stir that hand. Yeah. I always, I always like throw it away. Really? Yeah. I mean there's other liquids in the tube, but I would definitely

keep that. Well that's good to know. So like way more tips like that. Yeah. So way protein is a protein source that naturally is a part of dairy. Okay. So when I'm saying is isolated protein

studies behind it and studies that compare it in this way that we're talking about taking a way protein powder as a supplement on its own is definitely going to outperform any type of whole food animal protein up three, you know, peace family, everything. A piece of chicken, a piece of beef, etc. By many times. Does that mean that we could we would build muscle easier or better with that way protein than we would with the salmon of sake or whatever. In the context

“of supplementation I would say yes. I think the only reason why I want to like, do I kind of, you”

know, hedge that is I'm not encouraging people to stop eating real food. No, of course. Because you, there are other good things in the salmon. There are fats in the salmon and eating. We're talking and eating a mixed meal and having carbs are really good for you and like recovering from training, etc. But when we're talking to you, it's just for one very specific point. But for building lean muscle, for building lean muscle, if you're trying to hit much higher daily protein targets,

like do that, a way protein powder is going to be way more effective than just trying to eat more

whole food protein. Okay. So here's the thing. Now, what if we just take our amino's and not do the

other things? Like let's say we, if you replace it the if instead of way protein, if we instead of you own the amino acids, yes, better. So the better than the way protein, the better solution for supplementing, you know, already like a, you know, a high protein diet and trying to live the super vibrant life and have really good muscle and be lean and have good hair and skin and all that amino acids are the supplement that are going to outperform way protein. And basically

I'll perform and also get and will allow you to get your the amount of protein you actually need for all the other kind of benefits you brought in. Yeah, because when your body's eating protein,

“it's trying to get these essential amino acids. Yeah. That's what it wants. And you're giving”

it that and there's more highly concentrated form. So you're saying, because there's 20 amino acids,

like your supplement gives you nine essential, what happens to the other, other ones?

What happens to them when? Like for example, I'm taking your, I've been mixing your amino's with water, the thing that when I like a side issue and it has nine amino acids, right? Essential nine. Yeah. So the other 11, so that's not obviously in thing, our bodies are producing it itself. It's not as essential because what happens to them? Like why, why does the supplement not have 20? Why does it only have nine? Okay. So in like L, okay, L good, it means a perfect example.

Yeah. So, so here, which is a good amino acid and has other specific functions that it does. So it's not like you don't need these things. But here's, where do we get that? Maybe here's, well, you get it. Here's why you should eat meat every day. Okay. You do need some of that every day. Okay. So if I was just giving you basic guidance, what I would say is like, don't go below

“0.6 grams of protein per pound of body weight of real food every day. Okay. That's what I would,”

I would just, I would like make that a fundamental base. I think that's, that's pretty clear. And that is because there's a certain amount of protein you need to just function. Like for your immune health. Or, well, here's the difference. You know, if you eat less protein than that, as a young healthy adult. I'm such, so I'm saying 20 year old again, performing, et cetera. You literally, all of your luxury proteins, their muscle, your skin, you're all these,

they're going to start to, they're going to start to degrade. And why is that? It's because of this, like literally if I go a few hours is technically all it takes. But let's just say I go a day without consuming any protein. And now, I literally have these, these, these parts of my liver that need new liver proteins to be replaced. They're breaking down. They have to be rebuilt. And it's pulling everything all the amino acids out of my blood that it can to help rebuild them. And it can't

find them, right? Where does it get them from? I'm not, I'm not eating new protein. What does it do? Right. It literally breaks down my muscle tissue. Your muscle tissue is your reservoir of amino acids for the rest of your body. And that is why, like when people die it, oftentimes they start to lose lots of muscle. It's why when we get older, we start to lose lots of muscle. It's because our ability to utilize proteins in our diet to get these amino acids to like rebuild our heart

tissue to put our liver. Right. So, so the main idea is like, there's a certain amount of amino acids. You just need to like, even just have basic function. Yeah. And there's a certain amount of

non-essential amino acids that you wouldn't want to like force your body to have to synthesize them all.

Like, and by eating them in food, you get them. But what I would say is like the cow, right? The cow's meat. Like it's proteins are made in an ideal way for that cow to just be a cow for it to like function and live like before. Like the structure of its tissue. It wasn't made. It's not like made so that it's perfect. It's the perfect protein for us. So when we eat a cow and we eat some of that beef, what happens is some of the amino acids we like really want and

really use all of the essential amino acids. And we can use some of the non-essential. But a lot of

into urea, etc. They get converted into other things and we don't actually use them all. So it doesn't we use them for energy, but we don't use them actually in a substantive way to actually help rebuild our proteins. And so maybe the simplest way of describing it is it's good to eat whole food protein

because it's got micronutrients, minerals, etc. And it has some of these non-essential, but we need a lot

less of them than we need of the essential. So what I, I can't if I got a bunch of questions just about this because number one, I want to get my blood work done and I was told to take el glutamine, which is an amino acid. Right? Do I need to take, if I just took your amino acid, which are the nine essentials, would I, can I set, can I not take the el glutamine or do that? Does that have a separate function and benefit? That has a separate function and what that is likely pointing to, like I don't

know your specific health situation, but there's a unique, you have a unique health condition, okay. That is necessitating you to consume more el glutamine, but it's not like, it's not just like every woman, your age, just in that situation. So that you're talking about a very unique situation. So, and those cases do exist for people, like where they need more el glutamine, they need more iron. This person needs to be more vitamin D. This person needs to be more vitamin D.

This person needs to be pleaded in everything, which is true, which is by the way I was saying before

“we started, is that I think it's so crucial for people to not just, that's what I learned,”

that and when I, I got, I just got my blood work done and I think what people get stuck in this loop is when they get their blood work and they start taking all the supplements, they end up just taking the same supplements for like years on end without, you know, really kind of checking if they even need those, if they're deficient in it, what their body actually needs now, because what I need now at my age was very different what I need three years ago or even ten years ago, right?

So now these amino acids are essential for my overall like well-being and what I was going to say to you,

and so now I feel like that's become part of my daily morning routine. I never took amino acids before, I didn't know about them, but what I was going to, I didn't know about the importance of like how we need to incorporate them, but what I was going to say is like if you, if you're someone who is even on a GLP one or even a runner where it breaks down your lean muscle mass, if you just

“incorporate it like this amino acid supplement, would it enhance and benefit you like exponentially?”

Exponentially, so let's just talk to GLP one, I'm going to make it even broader, if you were cutting calories and it can be drug-induced or it can be my fitness pal and my diet coach. Whatever is getting you to eat less food. If you're eating less food, you're going to lose weight. So there's these kind of basic rules that thermodynamics and the way the body works, that it's like I burn a certain amount of calories per day and if I consume less when I burn,

then what happens is two things happen. One is my fat stores, I start to use them.

And it's actually like people are always frustrated with our body fat like in contemporary society

because we have too much of it, but it's actually a very cool mechanism that it's like if you have a bunch of food at one time, you can eat it and you'll actually store the excess food on your body so that then when you're hungry, you can live off of it. It's like imagine living in the woods and it's like you kill this animal and you eat it all and you can actually store it other rather than just trying to like, you know, keep it in a cooler. But that's where that's where it came from and

“so that's what happens. Like now you suddenly eat less and what happens is you burn off that fat,”

that excess store. But what also happens is that you burn muscle. You burn a lot of muscle when you lose weight. And so what a lot of people do is you think, you know, like 30%. So it depends. Here's what I'd say though, like and this math is not perfect math, but I'll give you a few pretty clear, you know, validated figures. In general, there's this idea that about a 3,500 calorie deficit. If I eat 3,500 calories less than I need, I'll burn about a pound of fat. Right. And it's about

750 calories for a pound of muscle. So considerably less of a caloric deficit will eat away at your muscle. Now it's not a perfect mix of these, but it's like, well, then how does your body choose which it's burning and why and you know, like, what happens? But typically what happens if you do a very aggressive calorie restriction and that could be, you know, like I'm trying to lose and I'm saying aggressive, like two pounds a week, which I think lots people think is not crazy, but that's

actually on the upper limit of like what's sustainable over time. Right. And if you're on a GLP one or something and you're losing four or five pounds a week, the likelihood is that out of the first 10 pounds that you lose, about four pounds will be muscle and six pounds will be fat. So 40% over a long term over the course of like nine months, it ends up being about 25 to 30 percent is muscle loss. So that's a lot of muscle. And what I would tell you is, no one is like,

I promise you, you're not wanting to lose muscle. No one's wanting to lose muscle. It's hard to build back. Muscle is very metabolically intensive when you have more muscle, you burn more calories.

et cetera. So it's like you don't want to lose muscle and the difference between losing 10 pounds of fat only or losing six pounds of fat and four pounds of muscle is very different. It's different for your metabolism. You're going to look totally different. So the ideal situation would be whether you're dieting or you're taking a GLP one. How can you lose 10 pounds of fat and lose no muscle? How can you lose 20 pounds of fat and lose no muscle? Or maybe 19 pounds of fat

and one pound of muscle? And there is a way to do it. And so a series of really awesome recent studies actually sponsored by the Department of Defense. And it was through the University of Arkansas

Medical Branch that did all this research. Basically, they were trying to study it with people in

the military who were undergoing like calorie deprivation, caring, large packs, et cetera. What happens when we cut calories? And how much more of a central amino acids do we need to give these people to ensure that they stay in a net protein balance meaning they don't lose muscle? They don't start breaking down their muscle to serve their liver and to serve their heart. And what they found was that a 30 percent caloric deficit. So let's just say for simple terms,

a 2000 calorie a day diet is like your, this is what you eat every day. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you cut 600 calories, which is about 30 percent, which over the course of a week is a little over a pound of, you know, weight loss. So it's not something super aggressive.

You need a 300 percent increase. A threefold increase in a essential amino acids in

your in each serving to not have muscle loss. That's a lot more. That's like a ton more. That's a lot,

“what was a lot more. So they go, I think the GLP1 is super important because people are looking,”

they're looking not necessarily better. They're smaller versions of what they were potentially, but they've a lot of the people I see have lost a lot of their muscle mass. And when they get off of that drug, everybody I know who's gone off got off of it has gained their weight back very fast within like a month, like 40 pounds in a month. And it's because they lost all of their muscle, which we just talked about is how they burnt, how you end up having a higher metabolism

to burn calories. And it can be that much harder to ever lose the weight together. That's exactly the same

problem that always exists with yo-yo dieting. It's like you start yourself and then you go back to the

behaviors and you start like you have to find a sustainable way long term in order to, and I'm not against GLP1s. I'm saying if that's your long term to stay away, but like, but you have to be thinking about muscle during it. And it is possible. And so what I would say is if you are doing some type of restrictive dieting or GLP1 medication, I would be looking at taking

“essential amino acids and we should get more into this looseine enriched essential amino acids,”

it matters. It's not just like any amino acids that you can find out there on Amazon or something, or whatever brand or even the famous person's promoting. The science is very specific, a looseine enriched essential amino acids supplement. I'd be taking two servings of that or three servings of that a couple times per day. Really? So it's quite a bit, but again, that's if you're doing this kind of aggressive, you're like you're taking a drug. You're definitely not eating

that protein. Yeah, or you're doing this like very aggressive calorie counting. Like really, you have such a good chance of having like little to zero muscle loss if you do that while also doing this type of aggressive dieting. This is a massive hack if you're taking a GLP1 in my opinion. And really what I think about my frame is like rather than almost being like a hack or shortcut, it's actually like a really thoughtful way. It's actually be healthy. Like if you, if you really,

you're not just chasing the short term high of like I lost a bunch of weight, like who do you really want to be? No, I think you really want to be this like vital, strong, fit, beautiful handsome person, you know, whatever you can live a long time. It's like you can't, you got to think about your muscle. Well, I also, I think that's true. The reason why I'm calling it a hack is number one, people understand the fact that like well, well, I would hope that most of these people are

lost their appetite. So it's really hard to get that much protein intake, right? So they're struggling

“on that. I think also you need to do strength training all these things. But if they are at least”

taking this, this is an easy, an easy way to kind of in an easy integration into their daily routine, that can really help save their muscle. Why wouldn't everybody do it? That's the first part. Totally. Okay. Like it's a no, like to me, I'm all about no brainers. Like make my life as easy and simple as possible to get the maximum, like, you know, effects. To me, that's what it would be. Another one is like I was saying running or like, high, like, running. Because I'm a big,

I love, like to me, there's no better like cardio than running to clear my mind to enhance my food. I love running. And yet I know as I'm an old woman now, my joints are falling apart, you know, like it breaks down a lot of the muscle mass, all the things, but I can't stop it

do? Because I love it. But yet, like, I don't want my muscles to break down. So if I started, if I take these amino acids, that would also help me preserve my muscle. Incredibly. And so, and that's

“one of the, I think, a really cool tool for something like keyon amino acids that you take it”

before you run. And you don't, it's not like you ate a bunch of food. It's not like you're heavy, because actually, you also could try to eat some like chicken, 45 minutes before you run. It's like, that's pretty hard. Some turkey. But if you can take a serving or a couple of servings before you go run, and you're not only helping preserve, this is actually really important. You're not only helping preserve that lean muscle during that period, but you're also actually helping replace the older

proteins that are in your muscle. You're literally going to enhance your muscle tissue by doing that. See, that to me again is a major, uh, improved hack. I would call it hack, or like, strategy. I was just like, trying to do it like that word. Yeah. I hate that word, but to me, I would say strategy. It's a strategy tool, like, a tool strategy. It's a thing to do, like, like, foundational, like, this makes too much sense. Well, because, like, I'm so concerned with being

older, like, over 40, loving to run. It's not as easy when I was 20, right? Like, I didn't have

“the care, even 30. Now I'm like, oh, shit. Like, I am not. I'm not building muscle as fast, right?”

So, or as I'm very concerned with, like, breaking down what I do have to preserve, right? So, I'm looking for any easy tool or strategy to maintain everything I have as long as I have it, right? So, my question to then is, how does Aminos, how are they different than creatine? Because the creatine, everyone talks about creatine, oh, my God, creatine, creatine, protein, creatine. It's all you here, right? Like, maybe my algorithm is different than yours, but every second real,

every second post is happy to know the creatine, and I'm taking this, and I'm adding protein, and I'm adding, like, what is the difference between creatine and Aminos? If I take Aminos, do I need creatine? Like, can you talk about stuff? Yeah. So, a couple quick soundbites, creatine's awesome. I think it's worth taking. If I could convert you to take it to, I would.

Okay. I would say that the essential amino acids are more important.

Okay. And here's why. And it actually ties into something that you said, and no, but I'm also going to get to what creatine is and how it works and what it's called. Okay. So, you were saying,

“like, hey, strength training is also important. I 100% agree. Like, actually doing strength training”

is something that you cannot get from nutrition alone. Like, we're having all this whole conversation about, should I take the weight protein or the amino acids? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It really does matter and choosing those essential amino acids as the supplement is going to outperform everything else, but they ultimately will not replace training your muscles. Like, actually putting your muscles under duress and picking up everything and moving. I'm like, you're just, there's a lot of

other really important things that happen in doing that. Okay. But what is incredible about

essential amino acids is that they work even when you're not, they help exercise. Like I said,

you take them before you run, you're taking before you exercise and they are going to have an amazingly synergistic effect with the exercise. The blood from the exercise pushes them into the muscles and you get way more benefit from the exercise than if you had not taken them. But you take them on their own and they have amazing benefit. That is not really true about creating. And an amazing study that exemplifies this is quite old. It's actually from, there were a series of

studies that NASA sponsored, but the really big one is in 2005. And basically, they were trying to figure out how to help astronauts not lose muscle mass in space because there isn't resistance training, right? It's very difficult. There's no way, there's no gravity, right? And so, you know, they sponsored a lot of different studies. But one was essential amino acids. So they actually, this is with young adults where they put them at bed rest for 28 days. So imagine, imagine a

green to that study. I'm going to be a bed and go to the bathroom, spend like, be it all day long, 28 days. They got to eat normal meals three meals a day. But on top of that, they had to take

essential amino acids 10 grams twice a day. And then they were trying to see like what would happen.

After 28 days of bed rest, there was no net muscle loss. Complete lack of movement. These people did nothing. They're in bed for 28 days. No training of the muscles. Nothing. And yet they lost no muscle mass. They did lose some muscle function. They like when they went back to train. They couldn't lift quite as much weight. But they literally lost no muscle mass. And so, why and how is that? That is the, you know, kind of quintessential explanation of how when you consume a high dose of these essential

amino acids. And they hit the blood. They literally help rebuild and maintain your existing muscle mass. So it's a, it's a, it's a very unique thing that happens. Now, like, you cannot get that from creatine. Why? Well, what does creatine? Creatine in, it's simplest terms is an energy source. It's, you know, it's, it's not as simple as this. But it's like, it's close to like the way I was talking about carbohydrates and fat. But it's like this super, it's like nitro, like if you ever played

video games as a kid, it's like a nitro boost. Yeah. I like, I play Donkey Kong. Donkey Kong, yeah.

basically is that when you eat creatine, which comes from red meat, some fish, or you supplement it,

“it gets stored in your muscle tissue. Okay. And that's just thing called phospho creatine. And then”

what happens is when you're doing different types of exercise, you know, you're familiar with a aerobic and anaerobic, yeah, exercise, that's different times you get from running. And basically, it's about how your body converts sugars and carbohydrates to create this thing called ATP. Well, when you're lifting weights, or you're doing something really intense, you're doing pull-ups, or you're doing bench press, or you're squatting, your body is not thinking about aerobic and

anaerobic energy systems. There's this energy system called the phospho creatine energy system. And basically what it does is it takes the phospho creatine that is stored in your muscle, and it converts, it uses it to very quickly convert ATP more quickly. So when you have more phospho creatine in your muscle, you're able to oftentimes do two more pull-ups, two more reps of that, whatever way you're at before. Yeah, you're basically able to lift more and do more intense exercise.

So creatine's real benefit is for strength training. It is going to make it to where you can do strength training better because you have more energy stored in your muscle to lift more weights and to do more intense exercise. That is its primary most steady benefit. Now, there's a whole set of cognitive benefits we get into. I'm just thinking about the cognitive benefits in the brain health and before now we're like upping it from five milligrams to ten milligrams

because of the brain. Yeah, so that's also good. There is some good science for that. Although I would just caution and say a lot of it is overstated and overmarketed. Really? And there are really good things. And I am a person who takes 10 grams a day for very specific reasons. But so just one last thing. So comparison between the amino's and the creatine, the amino's are going to protect and build your muscle even if you don't exercise and makes

tons of sense to just take generally for that reason. And they are ultimately going to they're going to correct and overcome the anabolic resistance that comes from aging. When you get

older and you can't utilize this protein that you used to use as well. And you need more essential

amino acids. You particularly need a higher dose of looseene with them, which again, I think when we get to like formulas, I'll explain why this matters, creatine will never do that. More chicken will never do that. The only thing that will do that is a looseene enriched

“essential amino acid. There's the only thing that is going to help your body gen”

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“three. It's three very important essential amino acids. You need all nine. It's only three of them.”

And in the progress of research at one point in time, 20 years ago, we thought actually 25 years ago, at least now. We thought the research community that maybe you could just take them.

In the same way I'm saying, you know, these essential amino acids are way better than way

protein. At one point in time, we thought maybe those branch chain, those BCAAs were and what's been uncovered is they're not. They're insufficient. If you take them on their own, there's zero anabolic impact. There's even potentially catabolic impact, but a lot of people business is around them. A hundred percent. There's a ton of money in it. And so people still understand it, and so people are still making products and selling it. That's really good info. Because that's

like, you know, when people were like our gym rats or people who are really into like health and fitness, they're like, they're take their BCAAs, they take their alkalinity, they take all these things that like maybe most people don't maybe know about. Yeah. So you're saying those BCAAs are just

those three. Of course. But if you're trying to run a football team and you only have to

“got the quarterback. No, you had like the, you, you, you, we're gonna, this whole team, all we need is”

the quarterback, the running back in the wide receiver. And it's like, well, like, where's your offensive line that's like protecting all these guys? Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. Right. And so that's what happened is you get crushed. Okay. That's interesting. I like to thank you for telling me that because I didn't know that. And actually people were asking me when I was talking about me starting to take a mean. It was now in my water and like how I met you and I really liked all the stuff. They're like, I take BCAAs. I'm like, oh, okay. I, I, let me find out about it. You know what I mean? Okay. So my next big question to you is for every decade. I know that hot. I think this you're saying every decade, the amount of protein we need or

different what happens. Can you kind of talk and tell us about what we need in our 30s, 40s, 50s and so forth? Yes. So when you eat protein in your younger, your body's more optimized to get the essential amino acids out of it. Yes. Right. We know that when we're telling you that I don't care. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I know. Yeah. And no offense to the people who are 20 listening. And it actually goes back to this, it's a quick connection to this BCAA conversation. The quarterback is this is this one of me to ask it.

It's called losing. And I would say it's like the quarterback and they we used to think, can you bring it up a lot? Yeah. What if you just take losing. Right. And it's like it doesn't work. You can't run a whole football team with just your quarterback. Like it doesn't work. But as we get older, what happens is two things. One how our ability to digest the protein degrades. So when you're 50, you don't digest the protein as well as you did when you were 20. But but more importantly, even when you digest that protein. Yeah.

“And you you eat the chicken and it gets broken down. The amino acids go into your blood. Your body doesn't read the signal as strong. It's like it. It knows that there's the essential amino acids there.”

It's sees that there's some losing. But it's just kind of like timid. It's like it doesn't really work. Yeah. And exactly why that is there's not a very clear explanation. It's more it's more like it's a behavior in the body that we have observed. And that's very clear.

Okay. And so what we realize then is like well, then your body needs a higher dose of protein at once or a higher dose of essential amino acids.

And ultimately a higher dose of this losing all at once in order to get a better response. And what we found over many studies is that if you just increase that losing, you'll you'll actually overcome all of the resistance. So I'm going to give you an example and I'm going to go back and I'm going to tell you the 20, 30, 40, 50 thing. So as I said earlier, when you take essential amino acids, it's about three times the impact is way protein right gram for gram. Yeah. When you're 60, okay. If you add more losing to that formula of this essential amino acids, it's six times the impact as the way protein. Wow. And so like why is that did like the amino acids get more powerful, you know, what happened. No, our body's ability to utilize the amino acids in the way protein goes down.

And we get worse and worse at utilizing it. We're just simply not a sensitive to it. But that extra signal, like basically spiking it with more of that losing our bodies like, oh, I see it.

It basically can read the signal and it can understand it. So as you get older, this importance around eating either eating more protein or the importance of getting higher amounts of losing in an essential amino acids supplement or as part of your protein powder, whatever it is, it is going to over, it's going to overcome that. And so really the, the guide is this. It's like, it's less like exactly how much protein you need to eat, which I can give you a guide for, but what I would say is essential and elucine enriched essential amino acid, just like basically like key on amino is as 40% elucine. That's the threshold you need to hit.

Okay. When you are in your 20s, it's going to be about three times as impactful as way protein. By the time you're 40, it's about four times. By the time you're 50, it's about five times.

And we've seen very clearly in studies that in your 60s, three grams of elucine enriched essential amino acids has the same impact as 20 grams of way protein over six times the impact.

Wow. So it's like this tiny like one scoop, you know, is equal to 30 grams of way protein. And we already saw before too, it's worth even more than like steak, you know, it's going to be equivalent to 60 or more grams of like a steak protein. The wire people not talking about amino's and they're always talking about creatine, every like in middle age I'm talking.

“I think that there's just always different, I mean, this is like maybe I'm being too cynical here, but it's like, it's marketing trends.”

How why is creatine suddenly being talked about? Like creatine is, in a round forever. Creatine's been around forever, but this is interesting also situation. Because you could say the same thing about creatine five years ago. When the ISSN International Society Sports Detrition did their report on creatine. I think they had like 120 studies cited when they did it on essential amino acids. They had 137 really. So we're talking like we're talking less scope of something has been studied a lot.

It made just as much sense, simply they're marketing and business trends that come and go and develop. And sometimes they're great. Like I would say creatine is a great supplement that makes a lot of sense for middle age people to start taking.

Particularly women who are never marketed it before. If they work out, if a woman is listening to this.

Or you should work out, but I'm not sure, but I'm creating to the converted. I understand that trust me. But if someone is not working out, right? Is it taking creatine? Like if they're just doing hikes and walks, they're not lifting heavyweight. They're doing hikes and walks and an occasional pilates class. Do they need to take creatine? First of all, you don't need to take anything. Right. Life. There's all kinds of ways of doing life, but what I would say is you're going to get a lot less benefit from it.

The primary benefits that I think you're going to get in terms of body composition and being stronger over the over like the course of your life is going to be from taking creatine and doing strength training. Those two together where you get the bulk of the benefits and where there's been the most amount of research. Right. Quick caveat. There is research for cognitive benefits. What I would say though is taking creatine is not just going to make you smarter. Basically, in the same way that your muscle stores, these phospho creatine stores to create energy quickly, your brain does the same thing.

“If you give yourself enough creatine, and that's why you have to take these much larger doses because your muscle absorbs most of it.”

There's enough extra left over to put into your brain than under duress.

So you're really sleep deprived. For example, or you're under some kind of like crazy stress.

It's really, we don't have a study for stress. We have a study specifically for sleep deprivation. Then your ability to focus and for memory, there are some slight improvements. There are improvements to focus in memory. And that's why I take it and I experience it. It's kind of like my insurance for whether I slept good or not that night. And originally, I was just taking 10 grams like on days when I didn't sleep well. And I built it into a habit where it's like I take it every day because it's like a slight cognitive edge, particularly under stress.

Okay. When you look at older adults, it's much higher doses. We're looking at 25 grams a day. So five scoops. Like that's a lot more than a typical person takes. It has this impact in in older adults in the elderly to improve things like memory and focus. It doesn't improve overall executive functioning. And there are not studies that it prevents or correct dementia.

That is not something that is real. What the studies that have been around there, like even in like a dementia-based population,

is they just showed that they were increased creatine stores in the brain, which we would think and know already. If you take a bunch of creatine, you're going to store more in the brain.

“So I think that I just share that because I think these these studies, these claims get stretched and pushed.”

And like, I'm, you know, I'm my company makes creatine. I love creatine. I take it every day. But you've got to be like real with people about what it actually does. I'm just pretty sure. And not like endlessly people. Well, listen, recently my mother, like a last year, got diagnosed with Alzheimer's, which has been really horrible. I'm really sorry, Jim.

Thank you. And I was all about this creatine. Like, oh, she takes 40 grams, but 50 grams, you know, with it really help. And honestly, I've spoken to so many different doctors who are like the best in the world in brain health and Alzheimer's. And they're like, that's a myth that creatine is actually helpful for things like that. Like, when you're younger, it can help you with brain fog and cognitive, you know, all the cognitive things. But once you hit, like, if you, if you have that gene, or if you're already like on that path, creatine is not going to.

Is that coming to you? It's not saving. It's not saving. And the only slight modification I make to that, it's like, I try to enter everything with like humility. And I would just say, like, it hasn't been proven yet.

Yeah, like, people act like that is a thing. Right. And there is no data that shows that. And so we're giving people that hope. It's just people wanting to, like, have a smart take on something.

I know. I know. And make a builder for you. I know because you've got these, and here's an interesting context. And this is going to be for a whole other conversation.

Okay.

“But is, if there is something that does help prevent that?”

Okay. The number one thing I would look at is omega threes. Yes, we talked about this. Well, this is going to be a whole other podcast, but with omega threes, they do have long-term at the demological data that shows that greater intake of omega threes.

Right. And thus, greater amounts of your red blood cells being made of them is directly correlated to, I can't remember, it's a 15 or 20% reduction in, like, the risk of dementia. So that's, that's pretty significant. So I would say, if, if your mum was being diagnosed and you want to avoid it, like, I would start taking a higher dose of a, high quality omega threes every day.

Like that, that's, that is a real thing. Creatine has not been shown to do that.

Well, I was going to say, I got my blood work back.

“And I did, I did talk about that and then that's what really was the outcome.”

Like omega threes may help move the needle. But creatine, that's just very much like it's kind of like a wives tail, like a myth at this point. There's no real data that, I don't even know how it happened to wear that. There, there, there, there, there are, there's at least one study where they, where they measure to the benefits. Well, there are definitely, there are definitely studies giving it to older people to improve things like focus and short term memory.

But not, not dementia memory. We're talking about totally different type of memory. That was my point. But then there's another study where they gave it to people with dementia. And they measured if they had, like, increased phosphocreatine in the brain.

Which they, it'd be like measuring like, hey, if I give you, if I give you this creatine, is there more in your brain? Yeah. And they showed that, like, yes, there is. And it was in a population that had dementia.

And so then people stretch that to say, like, oh, it's got all these other benefits that this other study showed. It's just people, honestly, it's people who, I think, don't know how to read studies. And or are more focused on doing marketing and trying to get attention and have a hot take than, like, actually. If it be hooves them in a way. Yeah, it's like, yeah.

Yeah. Okay. So answer me. Riddle me this. If it was one. Okay. And this is not, and this is, you, you sell both creatine and immunos. So people, he's not biased here. If you can only take one, if you are 50 year old.

Aminos. Okay. I love it. If you are 40 year old. Aminos.

Okay. If you're a 60 year old. Aminos. So I mean, I want to over creatine every single time. Absolutely, like, for my parents today, for my mid 40s wife, for me.

For like, if you just look at the, the, the research around it and around the benefits are going to get from it. Like, that's the one that I would choose. That said, the first thing I do every single morning is I take Aminos and creatine together. So it's, you're not choosing. I'm not choosing.

I'm not choosing. I'm not choosing. I'm trying to get someone to start a new habit because this is the big thing. We actually started this towards the, the beginning of this conversation. You're saying someone starts taking a supplement and they just keep taking it.

Exactly.

“Which honestly adherence is the biggest part of health.”

We can debate all day with the best exercises or what the best blah blah is. But it's like, what are you willing to do every day? And what I would say is like, if you're, if I'm just trying to help someone just do one more thing every day. Like, there's one nutritional change. I would make one supplement to take.

I would absolutely always tell them, take the Aminos in all these cases we gave.

Then I would say do the creatine. Then once they start taking the Aminos every day and they started getting those benefits. And they're like, hey, is there like anything else that I should take? Aminos are like, creatine or omega. Like those are those are the ones where I'm like, hey, these are things that.

Aminos is your number one. That's my number one. Okay. By the way, if you take Aminos when you're fasting, does it say she ate you or can you. Yes.

So like, is there like some type of study or any type of like data on if you are a person who fast and you also take Aminos? Does it say she ate you? Does it help you keep your lean muscle? I'm not a fasting person, but I know a lot of people do these fasts. Yeah.

“So here's the, I think, like, really interesting data on this.”

Okay. When you go through any extended period of time and again, if you're 20 years old, it doesn't matter. If you're ever 40, this matters a lot more. So like, listen up, like fasting is different for us as we get older. When you go a few hours without consuming protein and you stress the body, even greater through something like exercise.

Right? You are provoking the body to want to break down muscle tissue to supply the rest of the body with amino acids. Like you were, you were provoking the body to do that.

And so if you don't want to do that, and you want to maintain your lean muscle, then it is crucial that you think about timing.

And you try to consume amino acids, either via piece of salmon, protein shake or essential amino acids every few hours throughout the day. Regardless of whether you're like doing some kind of extended faster or not. And if you're doing extended fasting, then you definitely, like, you're having even more stress induced physiological state. Did it break your fast though? No, it doesn't break your fast.

Right. Because at that point, the blood sugar and all the things. It's not spiking your blood sugar. I mean, all the same about breaking your fasts, it's like, how do you even define it? But like, there's no digestive, there's like zero digestive stress.

It's not having some kind of spike on your blood sugar. And more importantly, and this is getting into, like, a bit more of, like, the cell impacts. But there have been studies that have shown that taking essential amino, again, loosening and enriched essential amino acids stimulates more mitochondrial biogenesis than fasting alone. So if you actually take it, you're encouraging your body to develop new mitochondria.

Now, this is not like a human out. There's not like a human studies. You can use your like, in vitro type studies, but all of these, that's interesting. These types of cell-based studies are, you know, cell-based studies.

And if you eat it, if you, sorry, if you drink it or take the supplements, would you, would it help say shape you to a place where you're not as hungry to eat junk food? Because of that, like, I eat a lot of protein, right? Because I don't want to eat, like, it's say she's.

“I think that say she hates me and keeps my blood sugar stable, right?”

Would I have that same benefit or same? Yes.

The simple answer is that basically, the essential amino acids are hitting those same types of cues.

Yeah. That help say she ate, like, that need to try to, basically get your protein requirements met. Yeah. On top of that, then this goes a little bit more into, like, how mood gets regulated? Yes.

Yes. So when you take an amino acid supplement, and this would matter, again, around formula. But when it has these higher amounts of phenylalanine in it, we're getting a little nerdy here, relative to, like, very low trip to fan. It actually improves and increases the amount of dopamine levels in your brain,

that also have this more, like, alert, focused, attentive level to it. So when you think about, like, not being hungry, part of it is, like, you know, blood sugar, part of it's feeling kind of cranky. So part of it's having your actual, like, neurotransmitter balance, being slightly off and feeling kind of sleepy.

Like, there's, there's a lot of things that are going on, and there's, like, hunger hormones that are getting triggered. Yeah. And so amino acids are playing on multiple levels all at once. It's not just one thing's happening.

I just find it so interesting how it's completely so under the radar. Yeah.

“I mean, it's one of those things where, again, I think you could say the exact same thing for”

creatine five years ago to Jen Popp. Five years ago, any 20-year-old Jim Brow, no, to creatine is. Everybody's like, my wife did, I mean, like, she maybe heard like her high school boyfriend talk about she didn't know about us. And now, every single one of her friends, you know, but now they're all interested.

Now she's like, you've been making creatine all these years. I was like, yeah, I've been making creatine all these years. That's hilarious. Is that funny? But I know a lot of women who are also don't want to take creatine

because they're such a stigma against. Like, people think it's a Jim Brow, you know, meat head type of supplement because they remember when they were in high school that their boyfriend, they were taking it and they were getting really buffed. Yeah, and there's like fear of like bloating on a retention.

But you do have one. And there's probably even fear of like, maybe building too much muscle. It's all kinds of ideas. Or like, ballking up. Yeah, ballking up.

Yeah. Which I would just say that's another interesting point about creatine research is that what has been shown is that creatine absolutely increases like strength gains in women, but almost little to no hypertrophy. Meaning, the muscle mass doesn't actually get bigger.

Really? Yeah, isn't that interesting? Yeah, it's like, which is kind of normal in general between men and women. Now, all people are different. And you have dudes who can't put on muscle.

You have women who can put on muscle really easily. But typically men build more mass more quickly. So it's not, it's pretty, in an alignment with like general biology of men and women. Would you say that that amino acids have, would have the same, like, can it blow you like creatine?

No, there's no. There's no. There's no, I mean, and again, I would caution people about like the idea of building on creatine and potentially should maybe take less. But there is an aspect of creatine is drawing more water with it into the muscle.

Got it. And thus you're having more intracellular water in the muscle and your muscles actually filling up more with water. So your muscles are getting a little bit bigger, a little bit puffier. Right.

Right. When I was like with the menos, there is none of that. There is no, you're not drawing any more water into the muscle. You're literally just replacing the older muscle fibers with newer better ones. And if you're doing it with exercising, especially too, like you're pushing the amino acids into the muscle.

“I know you said earlier about taking the, your amino's first thing before you work out, right?”

Yeah. Does it really matter if you take them at night or if you take them in the afternoon? This is the best tough things where it's like, from like a brand perspective, if I was trying to like sell the product, it's like, when any time. It's just take them every day.

Just take them every day. Just take them every day. Make it a habit. Like, whatever you do, make it a habit. You know what it's like for me, in my little customized life,

it's like, I like taking it first thing in the morning because I'm not really hungry first thing in the morning.

Oh, okay. But I want the benefits of that of what protein gives me first thing in the morning. Yeah. It sets up my day well. So I'm getting this totally hyper concentrated form of that immediately.

And then I can wait a couple hours until I eat. But it's also. It's the same as that. It sustains that, like, that, that, that, that, that, that, that. Oh, yeah, that's great.

Yeah. And it gives me. And so I'm not intentionally trying to, I'm not like trying to be a fasting person. But I guess I naturally do, right? Like, I don't eat first thing in the morning.

But we all fast to some, to some degree. You don't eat all the time, right? Yeah. You go. We're joking.

Yes, sure. I don't know about that. I like to eat all the time. Oh, yeah. So I mean, it does.

It helps say she ate me. And, uh, like, for me, that's a really good habit.

So I, I always know I'm going to take it first thing in the morning.

And then after that, it becomes, you know, I talk to another time with you. Where it's like, sometimes I know, I want to eat. I need to eat. I only have so much time. I'm going to try to eat some vegetable.

And I want to get some protein in. But I don't want to eat five eggs. Yes. So it's like, I eat a couple eggs. And I take some amino's with it.

And so it can also be taken with food to basically enhance the total amino acid and take of that food to enhance the protein quality of that food.

“That's what I do actually in the morning.”

I've been to, I've been eating my eggs because it's part of my habit. Like, I habit stack it, right? So I have my eggs and my fruit. And then like, maybe like 40 minutes later, I have my little mixture. Uh-huh.

Of my amino's. And then I work out. That's great. Yeah, that's what I do. That's great.

And again, what's most important is if you do it every day.

Exactly. But that's why you're going to get them in life. With anything. If you have to be consistent, if you do anything once in a while, does nothing.

People always, you know, people ask all the time. Well, what's the most most effective exercise? The one that you actually do. That's it. That's the bottom line, right?

Like, I can tell you to do this. That the other thing, but if you hate it and you don't do it, it doesn't matter. So you have to be consistent with everything that you want any kind of results with. Is there anything else about amino's that I'm forgetting to ask you that is really relevant,

and important that people can really benefit from?

“I think just like in this kind of conversation,”

we've like circled around it and talked about a lot. But I would just say if this is actually something that someone wants to look into, like, you know, what's like the right product to get, right? We come on here. We talk about this educationally, right?

But like, what's the version I should get? I would just offer a guide to like how to find the right amino acids supplement. Go ahead.

And the first thing I would start with is,

this doesn't necessarily have to be true for every single product out there, but for amino acids, proprietary blends are bad. What that means is if you look at the back of amino acid label, and it says five grams of central amino acids, and then it just lists the amino acids,

but doesn't tell you how much of each one do not buy that product. Really? And the reason for that is because the proportions of amino acids really matter, and we'll get into that in a second, right? Like, I'll tell you what the right proportions are,

but they really matter. Like, all these things we've been talking about today, these are based off of a very open public debate, and set of different research groups doing studies, critiquing the other person's study, trying another study.

Like, it's pretty clear what the formula should be, and there's no good reason to like hide it, and the proportions of them really matter. And I get into that in a second about why. But the other point I would say is when it's hidden like that,

it's just for business reasons.

I'll just tell you that. Like, it's, I have some proprietary blend,

and I can tell you whatever my blah, blah, blah marketing story is about it, but it also enables me to have much lose-requality specs. I don't have to meet label claim on exactly how much amino acid is in there. I can change the amount of each amino acid with each batch if I want to, because I don't, I'm not held to any specific thing.

All I have to do is make sure there's five grams in there. I can use, I can use cheaper sources. I can use different amounts of like the potency. It's a hack if you're trying to like have much more flexibility around your quality standards.

So when you see proprietary blend on amino acids, I wouldn't run run. You definitely wanted to tell you the exact amount of each one. So that's number one. Number two is you need all nine to be listed.

Yeah. Right. So it's like, if you just three or some just do eight, and they say like, that's weird.

The histamine is conditional, histidine is conditional, and it's like it's not like it's, again, there's lots of, if there's anyone that's the least important for, particularly for muscle protein synthesis, it's trip to fan.

And you're going to see it should be the lowest and at the bottom. And that's because it's the least important, but definitely not like leaving out histidine or any amino acids.

“Well, I think it's really important that you said that,”

and I'll tell you why I've talked about this many times on the show, is that because it's the wild wild west in the supplement space, you have to be extremely discerning of where you get your supplements from. So the fact that I know you, I know how you source.

I know you're manufacturing. I know you as a human being. You're only doing the highest level of everything possible, the quality, the way you do everything, super important, not just with your amino acids,

but with the creatine and with Omega's, like we had a whole conversation last night over the Omega's. I think to me knowing where you're getting your stuff in general is extremely important. And so like, Keyon, I know is at that high standard,

but people should be like, do their research. And that was a great point that you said about looking in the back for the amino's because people just take things at face value and they think, well, this company is selling amino. So this one's exactly the same as that one.

Not true. It's not true. And often sometimes even like maybe someone you respect or I respect and like that has a platform. Some boring promotes the problem.

Sometimes that's problem. And it's like, you got to, you got to look at the label yourself. Like you got to do some of your own research on and look at the label. Yeah. And that's something like, I did my own research.

And that's the thing like, people can trust me, but not, they can trust me to an extent. They should also look on their own, right? That's a very important part of it. Also, I didn't ask you.

I've been remiss to ask you, no, it's curious. It's probably a whole other podcast too. College and because college is also one of these very spoken about supplements.

Like, misrepresentation of how good or bad college is, like, some say it's a garbage as a supplement. Some say it's not garbage. What's your take? So I'm going to answer the college in question.

But I want to, I want to finish it by doing a segue from the formula thing when one last point. Because I mentioned losing so many times. Some like, I did you ever. But here's the last thing.

When you look at the label and I'll just, I'll give you a shortcut on this. Like, you don't know what needs to buy. You don't have to buy key on or whatever, but it really is the one. But it's the formula that's key on. And basically, it's based off of.

And by the way, you guys should buy key on. I'm not just saying that the reason why he's on here. Is not because he is the leader in this area. I'm not putting on some like mediocre person. He's doing it right.

And that to me is why you're here. So anything to do on. So it's like the proportions of the amino acids. They're based on human skeletal muscle within very specific increases to certain amino acids.

So you get losing to 40%. You increase the isolucing in the valine. And you increase to match to batch their original proportions. And find getting nerdy here. You're losing people.

I know. I'm just telling you if you do the or trust me or whatever. But I'm trying to give you the research and increase the lysine. Because the lysine is slower to get into the muscle tissue.

“And that's how we end up with that formula.”

And then you don't need any other stuff in it. If it's flavored, it should be flavored with clean stuff. You don't need other fancy mumbo jumbo, whatever their new. Whatever the thing is. Whatever they're trying to sell that week.

You need the nine essential amino acids.

That's what it is in those proportions. Okay. So now collagen. So with collagen, it's an interesting idea. And I think the hypothesis is like made sense to pursue, which is,

hey, like our skin has a lot of collagen in it. And it's made up of collagen, the certain type of protein. And so it's like joint tissue, etc. What if we ate a bunch of another animal's collagen? Like we literally grabbed it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. With that then help our body develop more. Do cell collagen? I don't so collagen. Okay.

There you go. That's all I need to know. Yeah. That's all I need to know. Thank you.

So thank you. So it's an interesting idea. And it hasn't been proven out very well. Thank you. It hasn't been proven out well.

It hasn't been proven out well. There are studies by the collagen industry specifically. That show improvements. But what I would say is that if, yeah, like, it's just very light. Just tell us right now.

Okay.

“So I want to clip this one because I think it's important.”

Yeah. What are the main benefits of taking amino go? Lean muscle overall improved metabolism, better skin, hair, nails, and mood. So six. I mean, that's what comes to my recovery.

Recovery, energy during exercise, incredible recovery from exercise, energy.

I'm going to tell you one more. Yeah. Body composition. Yeah. And that was my attitude around like lean muscle and metabolism is basically.

It's going to help you to maintain lean muscle and burn more calories. And so that's less fat more muscle. People like that. People like less fat more muscle, don't they? I mean, typically.

So most of us are trying to get. I think so. All right. Angelo. Thank you for being on the show.

I think we, like, this is probably like a very long podcast. Yes, but now and a half more. Oh, my gosh. I know. Well, thanks for almost more.

Sorry for joining on. No, forget. Everyone else. I know. Well, you didn't ruin that much.

I stopped at the last room. I know. But okay, guys. So key on. I know you're not really much on Instagram, which I don't do.

I don't do anything. I'm not sure. I'm not sure. This is what I like about this guy. He's not interested in promoting himself.

He is here because he really truly believes in what he does and his company and what he, like, and the production and benefits. And I really admire that.

Because everyone here is always like promoting themselves.

Like blah, blah, blah. You don't give a rat to us. You want people to know about the benefits of immunos. You've built a whole company around it. And so anyway, I'm happy to start down with you.

I've learned a lot. I hope you guys at home or wherever you are. I've learned why immunos are so invaluable to you for your life. And if they want to know more about key on or immunos or whatever else you have going on in the key on world, where can they find you?

This place called the internet. Oh, who way internet? No, okay. I don't mean it. But for real.

I mean, like, we're on Instagram, that key on. We're obviously have a website. It's get key on dot com. GETK when dot com.

“And I think, I think there's a special link for your audience.”

Yes, there is a special link that you got on it. Try it. Slash. I don't need to know. I will figure it out.

But I will tell you something. Once you start it, you're going to be hooked. Because it is a no brainer. I don't, I know we called it a hack. But it's a strategy at tool.

I don't care. Use whatever euphemism you want. It's really, really works. It works exactly. So thank you.

Bye. Thanks, Jen.