The 2026 Winter Mailbag

We are no longer in the same room, but parts are in the same place.

“And we're here today very excitedly to answer your questions.”

It's a very special house of R, nail bag episode, we're getting to all of your questions, actually some of your questions, comments and concerns, a mere fraction of your questions. Just a tip of the ice break of your questions, or after this. And those owls will be in.

The bad babies just flooded the inbox of questions, this week is just incredible showing from them.

Really, really incredible stuff. Wonderful not to get to every single question. We wish we could. We'll just do it again in a couple months. We love a mailback.

Oh, yeah, really it. Why not? We're saving them all. It's some rows in our spreadsheet. I didn't delete a single thing, so yeah, they're still here waiting for us, should

we want to return to them. But you guys hit a lot of similar topics, and we'll be getting close to a lot of your questions here today. Before we get into those questions, said questions, Mallory Rubin.

I don't want to jinx what's coming up later in this week by saying what it is.

I'm feeling very superstitious about it for some reason, so I'm just saying, we have been episode later this week, and I'm very excited about it, but allegedly has a special guest on it that will allegedly prepare us in one way or another for two of our most anticipated movies this year. Do you think that all of that's accurate?

And that will also continue, resume, revive, associate, a series, triangulate those clues as you wish. What should it be? Here's the problem we're doing with what we have done in order to avoid a Paul of fame situation, where we say specifically we're doing something, and then we don't.

We have definitely implied to the bad babies that we're doing the Paul of fame.

“That's what everybody's going to think, and that's not what it sounds like.”

That's my worry. That's my worry. It's not the Paul game. It's not the Paul game. We're going to do the Paul of fame when June part three comes out.

Maybe. Allegedly. It's not Paul of fame. This next podcast is something it will be set in space though, you know. So that also is included.

That would make it sound like it's a great clip. Paul of fame. Yep. There's an on, Timothy Sheldon Bay is involved, but that actually is a good clue that I think really well.

Wow. People to zero in. Okay, great. There we did it. We did it together.

This is on the horizon for us in front of that and we'll figure it out as we go. That's my idea. Let's do this. But Project Hill Mary is like coming up around the corner. We got a lot of crap we want to do for that pause, so we got a lot of questions about

that particular story. That's sort of like really crowding the halls of my mind right now is my anticipation for everyone to see Project Hill Mary. Mallory Ribbon. How can folks keep track of what Mayor may not be coming on the feed later this week,

let alone in the future weeks?

Here's what I would recommend.

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Let us know what you think of Project Hill Mary when you get to watch it or you're checking out Daredevil season two, mall shadow lord is coming in April.

“But boys, you know, are you already just looking ahead to the Odyssey?”

Perhaps keep those emails coming. Are we looking ahead to the Odyssey? We are later this week, possibly in a way, in a way, in a way, in a way, in his own way.

So listen, y'all sent us a lot of great emails.

Y'all, look at you. You all. And you all have everybody sent us a lot of great emails. Did I tell you that? I was at a play in LA last week and there were not anyway.

There's just happened to be a lot of famous there, and Hurley himself from Lost, where I could say I walked past me and my friend without even like, we didn't even make eye contact. We didn't even say anything. She's just like, oh, you're in heaven right now.

I'm like, I am in Hurley's here. That's so terrible.

I was just in his proximity, I didn't talk to him at all.

“But what approximately did he end to just soak up his aura and his essence?”

Oh my god. No one has better vibes than he is. That's cool. All right. Let's should be, should we just start answering some of these questions?

So I'm like a quick bit of seasonal mail bag. We love a zippy bag, tight little bag, freezing, tight little bag. All right. I want to start with the question that we got the most emails about, and I should say we got emails about this even before the mail bag prompt.

We got emails about this, we're late to the finale. Yes. I personally am so unenammered of this theory that I did not bring it up on the finale pod. But the people have been champing in the bit for us to talk about it.

So we should at least talk about it, which is many, many folks are asking. If in the television series, and I have the seven kingdoms, and the novellas. Yes. Dunk is unwilling to night Raymond Fossaway, because he himself is not a night. Is it possible that Sir Arlin Pantry did not night dunk, because Sir Arlin himself

was never a night? Yeah. That a lot of people are asking this question. You said that like, folks in your, in my head, sir, I'm in a life, for texting you. So friends are texting.

I'm in a group chat that's been popping off the last few days about this. And I was almost going to say, like, hey, a couple of my friends have me up about this. Should we, should we consider it for the mail bag, and then got into the spreadsheet and just said, several for the same question. Many, many people are asking.

This is a very currently very popular theory. Tell me your, your thoughts about it. So I am open to this. I don't feel strongly one way or another. The, the thing that wouldn't climb me to receive this warmly, if it winds up being

true that Arlin himself was never properly nighted, is basically what you already said.

The, medically, that parallel is interesting to me that we have seen dunk, reluctant to, to, to night, Raymond, to night somebody else, if he does not believe that he would then basically be properly nighting somebody like you, that there's a, if not morally, if not in terms of his ability to live by honor, and he is like this pure night, right? That there would be like a taint in the, in the pipeline that we're, yes, right?

And so if dunk is reluctant and maybe, because we talked about this in our night of a seven kingdom's pods, like, and dunk asks this, dunk voicing the question, like, why did you never night me gives it a little bit more own, I think, as something that is at least like an interesting theory corner, hold them loosely as Joe always likes to say, but it's at least an interesting, like, prompt, I think, for theorizing.

“Maybe that's why Ireland was reluctant to, actually, night dunk, like a similar hesitancy”

because he was not himself properly nighted, I definitely don't need that to be true. I had frankly, like, not considered it as a possibility before all of this theorizing started popping up over the last few days and weeks, as you noted. But I do think thematically that parallel is like a shared tie between Ireland and dunk would be interesting.

Certainly on the thematic front, the idea that Ireland, if he had not been formerly properly knighted previously, that it didn't matter, just as it doesn't matter for dunk, that he chose to live like a true knight, right? A knight who remembered his vows. I think that that parallel is, like, is interesting to me, I think you could swing it the

other way and say that there's a risk, maybe, of diluting, then some of the potency of where we are, what's very, that's the very word I was going to use. Help me, it dilutes, yeah, dunk story to be like, it's just a copy of paste of what happened with Sir Ireland. And like, though I really value this idea of like, Sir Ireland's hedge knight philosophy

passed down to dunk is the true essence of knighthood, and you don't need an official ceremony to be a true knight, you just need to remember your vows, as you said, and the hedge knight's way is the true way because you're not beholden to a various Lordy beholden

“to your own moral code, all of that is really potent, interesting to me, I just, I think”

it just diminishes, you know, don't experience to be like, this is just what happened

And it feels to me like a, one of those like theories that feels very exciting to people because they feel like they've, they've caught something out, they've figured something out. And like, you know, who among us, you know, me, I love a, I love, I've figured something out there.

I just don't really like it personally, but everyone's allowed to have their theories and there's nothing wrong with it. And it's not one of those theories where I'm like, this is factually implausible, like it is definitely plausible, it could be true. I just don't happen to like it personally, but, you know, I'll be curious if this makes

this way to George and if George has something to say about it or if I was something to say about it, you know, yeah.

“But I think I prefer the story if Sarlene was knighted, chose this more vagabond lifestyle”

for himself.

And that dunk was never knighted, and this is his story.

And we have some thoughts about which we can't get into in a non-spolar way, and there's no sense. And yes, ushering a spoiler into a male bag or anything like that, but we have some thoughts about how that story might all play out for dunking the future. Yes.

So I like that just being like a really unique sort of story that we're getting. I agree. That's right. That's why we've been in it. Keep the night of the seven kingdoms, e-mails coming.

We're not interested in ceasing our discussion of this show, you know, we're here for getting season two. We'll talk about it every opportunity we get between now and the people are disappointed that it's over. And I say, so bummed.

And even though like, you know, industry had an incredible season finale on Sunday,

and I still felt the absence of that Sunday night, you know, none of the sudden kingdoms excitement. So yeah. We got some thrones news today. We're like recording.

And this is hot off the press. So by the time this podcast is published, we could have more information, probably not worth talking about for more than 30 seconds as a result of that. But there's this, you know, a movie officially in development, right? Throne's movie.

The Willowman. Though our guy, though, and/or. This is exciting. I mean, or is it? I don't know.

Do we want Throne's movies? Do we just want Throne's to remain TV? Not yet said. What this story, what it is. Back in the beginning.

The biggest sort of the big theory going around is that it's a day comes, Conquest movie because they've talked about that in the idea before, you know, Bo Willowman and it's worth remembering before he worked on indoor, like more famously was creative house of cards or the American version of House of cards, also a playwright, and, you know, et cetera, et cetera, um, for Bo, Aegon's Conquest is not necessarily what I want from

a Bo Willowman movie.

“I want more, more palaces in the tree, like that's what he's very good at.”

So, yeah. That's not who I would pick for Aegon's Conquest movie, but, you know, he's great. And, you know, I'm excited by the prospect of it, but like, for on the side of the side, let me know you think this.

Because my first thought also was that Conquest since we have most recently heard, you

know, that talked about as a film adaptation. We had spent a lot of the night of the seven kingdom season discussing, because it is stitched throughout as a reference point, and then, of course, we glimpse Regress Field, the first black fair, and talking about, okay, well, when and how will we see that in full?

Now, if a night of the seven kingdom is a success, which it undeniably is, is it is, right? Then, and we have the confidence as a result of that that we will continue on with the story, is a, does it make more sense to give us the context and the backdrop of the first blackfire rebellion as a tandem time line in terms of how we are when we're receiving it film, rather than saying, when are we going to ever get the blackfire show?

And then, in the TV landscape, we are just constantly weaving in and out of timelines. We started here with Game of Thrones, if you want to know what I mean by here, you got to watch the video podcast. Because my hand is just in the air. I'm just doing some Joanna Robinson TM arm map TM work right here.

We started Game of Thrones, then we go to House of the Dragon, right? Then we have a night of the seven kingdoms, then we're going to go to Eggon's Conquest. What if we just stayed right here for a minute and did blackfire 13 years before night of the seven kingdoms? I think that's so smart.

“And that's what's the aspect of this whole film, plus power centric to your point.”

Once we cast blood raven, and then we could have if we cast someone exciting for a better steal or any of the other players they might blackfire, to have the consistency of this is who we see in the flashback. But we've cast someone kind of juicy because we cast them also in the film, so they have a whole film, you know, we're able to cast someone kind, you know, I'm not saying it's

Henry Caval, but we're able to cast them in like a movie star. But like Henry, you know, I'm going to be trying to find out. But they get a movie, and then they'll show up and do the flashbacks for tonight of

I love this.

I would be very curious to hear, I'd, here's why I would be super, I think it's a great

idea. And I think Casey and everyone else that Warner Brothers before that whole place lights on fire should listen to you and pick up that idea. I think the reason I'm slightly skeptical of it is like, I think this is the kind of idea they would have once they see how well, and I, the seven Kingdoms was received as

back half. And for the Bo Williman news to reach us, it feels too soon to close to, you know, I mean, like this, they have to have been in conversation with him for a while before it hits

“the wrap.com today, you know, so that's why I'm skeptical about it, but I think your idea”

is better and right, and they should just pivot to doing that. So I think. So great. We've agreed. We've solved it.

We fixed it. We fixed it. All right.

Speaking of source tax, we got to come in several book questions, so I'm going to try to

mash into sort of like one book section. Great. Because the bad babies are constantly looking for radio recommendations, et cetera, et cetera. As we tease. I want to start here.

As we tease on the previous podcast, when we said we were doing this meal back episode, you have now read and finished the Will, the many James is London's book, the strength of few is a sequel that is out that you have not, I believe, started, but have your eyes on it. So without maybe, and then we got a ton of emails, ton of emails from bad babies, who

said they have read the, the will of the many in the last year, or both books in the last year, because we've been sort of talking around it on the pod. Our pals at cram wrote in to the pod about it, like all the sort of stuff like that. So tell me what you thought of the Will, the many, I know you liked it, but tell me your thoughts about it.

But maybe without spoiling the details of it, for folks who want to so read it for themselves. Yes, I'm reluctant to say too much, because one of the things I enjoyed about it, the most is that there are quite a few surprises along the way. And I fell on that aspect of the reading experience to be quite energizing. There are a number of moments for us, like something has happened that I did not expect

and that's exciting. So you would recommend to the book to me, cram, had recommended it, usually if one of you recommend something, I know it's going to be good when both of you do. I know it's a guaranteed banger, right? So that was exciting.

I, listen, this has, it's been a minor controversy in my life. I read this as a part of a side book, you know about my prime book club, yeah, I know. It's been, it's, it's, I know, I know. I know.

“And I think my first question is why am I not being your other book club?”

You can, you can be a, you can be a both of them. Okay. So, I have a, now long running since like year one of COVID remote Zoom book club with my, my best pal, with my college pal's, my Syracuse pal's, we call it pulp because it is both an orange pun and paper and also pal's, you know, I just in literary pleasure.

I have to say. I was wondering why you read the world of the many. And usually when you tell me you read a book, it's because either it's for work or it's for your book club because you're very, very busy of a lot going on.

And so when you were like, I read the world of the many, I was like, man, well, she finally

got so excited by one of my book wrecks. Yes, it's not. It's not exactly. Figuring out like how to, because the, the, the pulp book club schedule and then just rereading or reading things for work.

'Cause they're kind of the primary, you know, that's like this whole, this whole, a lot across the year. And the whole spots where I can just either sometimes just one of my pals in the primary book club and pulp will do like a little, a little, we call it squad battle after reading fourth wing.

And that's probably not what it's called. I can't even remember. My brain is like mush, but fourth wing is, it's just, it feels like 800 years ago that I read that even though it was like two years ago. And so, every now and then I look for an opportunity to read something else.

And a couple of my good pals, both of whom listen to this podcast, they love books, and we talk about books a lot.

“And there was an exciting moment where we thought, what if we read a book or two together?”

And I threw out the will of the many with them, with Steve and Drew, because one of my other friends in the, in the prime book club had already read it and had talked us about it. I considered it ineligible for that book club, because Taylor had already read it. When I, I thought it was important to tell the book club that I was, yeah, going to

be doing on them. And I was mercilessly annihilated by my closest friends in the world because this will surprise nobody to hear, including you. I had previously, I had some strong feedback for Katie, one of my other dear friends, when she went on a side book club journey.

And so, you know, it sounds familiar.

time reading it and discussing it last last week of dinner with Steve and Drew. And we will be continuing our side book club. We will be. So I'll have to, I'll have to figure out how to, how to navigate it all. They're, they're huge readers and big fans of genre storytelling in particular.

And so it's, it's a very exciting thing.

“The ever lasting, which she'll talk about more, I think, in a few minutes, I had, I had”

a pick. We alternated in pulp. It's five of us. We take turns picking and then every now and then if there's consensus, we do a group pick. And so whenever lasting was announced, I said, I'm going to pick that as one of my picks

in the future. Have not gotten to it because it's not my turn yet, but it's coming up very soon. Anyway, well, the many, you and Cram had recommended it. My pal Taylor said it was fantastic. I knew I would like it.

I thought it was really conceptually riveting, like the, the idea of the world building. The world building. The magic systems. Yeah. These, like, the kind of like Greco-Roman setting, but the magic systems, you had,

my, I was trying to remember when you told me about it in the first place.

And I don't, this might be apocryphal, not sure if I've mentioned it in the last 10 minutes that my brain is mushed. But my memory is that you told me about it during and/or when we were talking about some systems and oppressive regimes and also like the idea of, uh, rebelling against that kind of, uh, oppressive power, but also when there are some aspects of like complicity in society,

I, that was my memory of how, of how you had, uh, first talked to me about it. So it's very intrigued by the concept.

“And I think I'm really interested to see where it goes moving forward.”

But he's saying why it's because it's a really long book and it moves without spoiling the specifics in and out of different, um, settings, like locations and thus contextual character sets. And so some of those stretches, I just enjoyed more than others and like, you know, I love a magic school.

So that was all very fun. Um, and vis is a, uh, a really interesting main character who is very, very good at everything and that's like one of my, my few notes is that, uh, he's, I'm very, too.

So that's just, that's a tiny, tiny, tiny bit of dramatic tension for me because I'm always

confident he's going to find a way to solve whatever the conundrum of the moment is. That's it again. I think just the, the kind of lay of the land was, um, really philosophically stimulating. And I think is a, it's a good time for people to read a book like this. I'm really interested to see narratively based on how the first book ends, which I won't

spoil, um, like structurally where that takes us into the future. And also there's a, a wolf pal, which is just, you know, extremely my shit. I will, so I will say for your, you, when you finish, you sort of like floated a guess about like what the structure of the second book would be, and I don't, I mean, it's just the structure of the book.

So I don't think it's a spoiler to say that guess is pretty accurate. And as a result, and again, I'm trying to be as vague as possible. I would say some of the side characters get a shorter shift in the second book in a way that, like, um, made it less of a success for me. And cramps, that cram agreed with me.

Jacobie agreed with me, like everyone who has read the field was like, it's not as good as the will of the many, but it's still like quite good. And I'm invested in curious to see where it goes next.

“I believe the reason I got into the will of the many in the first place is because when”

I was like a more active participant in the review of the record men, I was trying to do, like, a new book every single month, and I was just really tracking what was popping on the fantasy books, subreddit, which is like an excellent place to track, sort of like what's new, what people are excited about, et cetera. So that's fun.

How I got into that book in the first place.

That was one of my rigorous recommends books. And I've, I've been really excited to see how the, uh, alteration for this book has grown. And again, especially hearing from all the, all the bad babies, we had a lot of listeners say they picked it up because we had sort of talked around it or about it on the podcast.

That's really exciting. So put like the full push of my support also behind Alex Harris book Everlasting, which Mallory has said she's going to be reading in the future in her book club because, um, I just think it's like one of the best, and we talked about the Valentine's Day up. So, but I just think it's one of the best books I've read and a really, really long time.

Um, you know, for fans of, if you're, if you're, you know, one of the people who listen to our podcast mostly when we're talking about game of thrones like this is so thrones coded, but it's a time travel time, you know, I mean, um, really wrap your head and not kind of, uh, time travel story, which I love, like a puzzle. So you're trying to follow the, the, the, the trails and the ripples of, of the impact of

what time travel can do, um, in that way it reminded me a bit of to say nothing. The dog, a Connie Willis book that I really love, but, um, this lady night and this sort of like witty historian and their sort of adventures through time and, uh, dragons and, um,

a legend, what makes a story, what makes a good story, um, it's got all this, like, meat

on the bone that I can't wait to hear, uh, your thoughts on it when you, when you get there. I'm really excited about that. I can't remember if it's my McNextre if I'm too away, but it'll be something I read this spring for sure. I also know that we both read, um, Katabasids, our clone, which was like a book we had talked about being excited about. Yes. We haven't really got into it in detail,

but we both read it and loved it. Anything you want to say specifically about, uh, Katabasids. That was my last pick for the pop book club, in fact, uh, and I, I thought it was a strong pick for book club because it's a really fun one not only to read, but to discuss, I thought

I had a blast reading this. I mean, the, you know, we were so excited, I remember when we first

saw kind of like the blurb, the log line for it and this idea of, um, this, this mashup of magic school, fantasy, dark academia with like mythology and the, the, we love world mythology nerds. So like we, the, that incorporation was so interesting. Um, I, again, this is one that I am very reluctant to get into particular sounds because I don't want to spoil it for people, but I will say reading it in real time, um, the layers of exploration and

questing. Uh, the, the different aspects of hell that we journey into with our characters. Uh, I just thought like, I, I, I could have read 4,000 pages of that stuff like actually when we get some of the deeper layers and we don't get to actually explore as much detail as like, no, I just love this shit. I want more of it. I thought that was great. Right. Um, I loved the way that we moved in and out of the present timeline and when, uh, we were presented

with some insights into past events. Um, whether or not you have any relationship to, uh, pursuing these advanced degrees and the specific aspects of the really like cutthroat realm of,

“that level of academic pursuits. I think there's something like very relatable for awesome people”

like us in the character like, um, um, and, you know, this, I'm in this picture and I don't like it. One of those moments. Yeah. There's a lot of that. But this idea of like, really, you know, where do you, what do you do and where do you go? Where do you allow yourself to go if you were trying to be the best at something? Was like, it was a fascinating portrait of that. The thing that like stuck with me and really going to be careful here. I think this is the most likely to inadvertently

be a spoiler, so I'll speak in kind of vague terms. The thing that stuck with me the most, it has stuck with me the most in the subsequent months since I read it in a way that I really appreciate. 'Cause this is something that we talk about a lot and I really enjoy when a story, um, not just asks or invites us, but like, requires us to think about this. Not assuming that you know what somebody else is going through. Like, that's a really big part of

“this story and I think it explores that in a, um, for the textbook. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.”

I agree and we, so, you know, we've got two two main characters who are traveling through various circles of hell together, uh, to sort of rival, uh, PhD candidates and, uh, in pursuit of their advisor who has, uh, you know, passed over and they need their letters of recommendation. That's like the premise. Great cause, um, their, their relationships, the various layers of mythology, all the things that you talked about is there. When we get into peeling back the onion, the layer,

the onion, I would say on Alice more specifically, but on both of them, um, that sort of,

like you never know what someone's going through, uh, thing that you're, you're, we're in Alice's

POV for most of it and then we get some more information. But like, but even though we're inside of her POV, we're back of the author has done, I think, a really good job of hiding the ball on certain things for, like, you know, pacing what it's hard to do that when you're inside someone's head to then hide from the reader sort of aspects of that person because they already know everything. And so it's, it's about going through hell and having to confront and peel back the layers of

“your own onion as you go through this, like, sort of journey, but like, I will never forget,”

I was cleaning my kitchen. I think it was like literally on the floor, cleaning like the floor of my kitchen when I was listening to the chapters of this book that take it from, like, good to master piece. I was in my opinion. And I just was like, I was just done. So like, I think if you pick up this book and you're like, this is a pretty good, like, adventure through hell, you know, I've read his dark materials. I know, you know, like, I get it. And then I would say, I think there's

a much greater depth in the story coming that for me will stick with me forever because it's a

of a young woman inside of a punishing environment. And it doesn't make excuses. And it just

“presents just like, I think an extremely complicated portrait of someone. And the way in which Rebecca”

has talked about this book and the way in which like, she's a bit of a self insert character for Alice. And so like, what is she examining about her? I don't want to make presumption about her own life. But like, how personal is this is intriguing to me? The qualities and Peter that are parallel to her husband and all of a sort of stuff like that. I just like, I think she did an incredible job with this. So I loved the fantasy. I could have, I'm with you. I could have taken like even more

with the logical sort of like fantasy moments inside of that we kind of abandon that a bit at the end. But but in terms of like where it decided the depth it decides to plum, I thought it was really extraordinary. So that would be my review of that book. And then just sort of like, are there any books coming out in 2026 that you're, whether you plan to book club them or not that you're excited

about? I want to hear your 2026. I'm excited as I always am not to, this is not necessarily

House of Art affair, but you know, there's a new George Saunders. So that's always an event. Again, shout out, Syracuse, no, and always. This came out at the end of last year. This came out actually, I don't know when in 2012. This is in 2025 book and it's not a genre book. So it's not a House of Art book. But I literally finished this at 1 a.m. last night and half-dimension it because it's just mere hours ago since I finished reading. I tore through this book in just a couple of days. I couldn't

put it down. This is what my friend Suzanne picked this for book club. The correspondent for Genia Evans, which was only a lot of the best of the best of the year last year. Yeah. I thought this was really

wonderful and like very affecting. First of all, it's like formally quite interesting. It's

as the title, the correspondent might indicate it is written through a series of letters. And I really like when a novel plays with form like that. It also just makes it so propulsive because each like chapters a couple pages and then you're like, "Oh, I just have this one next one. We'll take me three minutes and then before you know it, it's 3 a.m. and you've been reading for hours." The protagonist's symbol is like an just instantly indelible character to me. And I thought

“without getting into any of the particulars that this was a really profound and poignant. And I think”

I was shocked to learn after finishing it that this was Virginia Evans' first book that this is her debut album because it has a wisdom to me of like a fully-lived life. And I thought that it was incredibly incredibly got wrenching and full of sorrow but also just drenched in hope and possibility. I really thought it was lovely. It's quite short. I would recommend it again, not a sci-fi or fantasy tale. But really thought it was wonderful and I think I'll be thinking,

I was texting my friends and I already finished this. Can we move book club up like two weeks? They're like none of us have started. Chill. But that was excellent. That was great. And I came to cover if I mentioned this on the last mail bag we did when we were talking about some books. I honestly can't recall if I mentioned this one when we last did some, but I've read an orbital pretty recently. And this may have the Harvey 2024 booker winner. That was dynamite.

Gorgeous. The prose in that book. Maybe not for everybody in terms of the, again kind of structurally interesting playing with form a bit in terms of your ability to like a immersed in the character. This was one of the most beautifully written sci-fi books that I have read in some time.

“The language is just stunning. Joe. Is there a new chord of Thornton roses book coming out?”

I keep, I saw stuff on Instagram like, oh, there was a photo of a notebook with the clue. And it's like, are we getting books six, maybe six, and seven is that a thing? Is that like actually happening this year? Is it more of a whisper for a future time? So I think the like, you know, is a new Taylor Swift album dropping sort of obsesses or in the mixer, but there has been a so Alice Cooper tease that she's going to have Sarah Jamass on

the color daddy podcast. She tease that like yesterday, I think. And so they think it's going to be announced on that podcast. I'm like perhaps the release date, but it's probably going to be this year. I think the manuscript has allegedly been done since like the beginning of last year. So they've been like in edits. They haven't announced a release date. The last Akatar book came out in 2021. So this

you know, of course, and sitting in like other things that she works on. But yeah, so so we might know as soon as like next time we record, we might know when a new Akatar book is coming out.

“But it sounds like it's about to be time to break the whiteboards back out. That's what I'm here”

excited. I mean, I mean, I think in terms of like at any point. So in terms of what I'm like, what I know is coming in. I'm very excited about. Yes, my number one without question. I like

squealed when I saw the book trailer on Instagram is Leigh Bardugo's third Alex Turn book

Deadbeat. So that's ninth house and hell bent for the first few and hell bent. By the way, if you're like, oh, academics go to hell to rescue someone. Hell bent. Did it before? It's not so good because ninth house is one of my, I love ninth house and hell bent. So much in Alex Turn, the main character of this of this series plays a young woman who can see, who can see dead people, who is very like magically inclined, has had a kind of quite traumatic life due to that of course.

But it is like sort of drafted into this like secret cabal of magic at Yale. It reminds me a lot.

“I think we talked about it, maybe it reminds me a lot of the the dim and lizard patriarchy episode of”

Buffy this sort of like how the rich how the rich the skull and cross bones. That was called

skull and bones secret society Yale. It's like what if that were like magic and we were like sacrificing people in order to like beat the stock market or whatever. So this like really cool system of like magic and secret societies in Yale and then Alex Turn is this sort of like not to the manner born interloper inside of this world but she's drafted in because her her magical skills are so potent. And then darling, ten is the name of like her sort of like

advisor kind of character and he's like it's just very exciting. Like the fact that we're getting a third book I am like so excited about but I really recommend ninth house and hell bent

absolutely incredible books and I'm really excited for deadbeat. That was coming out later this year.

Another series that's getting a third this year is the Robert Jackson Bennett series. Tade to cup was the first one which I talked about a lot. When it came out drop of corruption came out this last year and then a trade of blood is the third one and these are like a very sort of like very magical homes and Watson-esque mystery novels but set in this

“fantastical world and I just I love these books. I think the role building is incredible. I think”

the characters are so fun and I'm just I'm really really really excited that like two of my favorite series are getting thirds insultments. The series is like very very exciting for me. Emily St. John Mandel who we love station eleven has a book exit party coming out this year and I just want to read the description to you. Set in 2031 where America is at war with itself. But the Republic of California has been signed into existence and in Los Angeles the

curfew has been lifted and quote tonight everyone is gonna party. The synopsis continues are a recently out of prison and her friend Gloria find themselves amid these celebrations as a new aged ons but there are people at this particular party who shouldn't be here. Something is very wrong. So like Emily St. John Mandel's a established track record of being able to write about dystopian futures and how humans psychology plays into that this idea of like the danger inside

of a celebration. I don't know all of that. It's just like really a role really paying something to me. I'm not excited for that one. There's also I know that I think Kram has been trying to get us to read the Fondalee books and I have not yet done that but the last contract of Isako which is Fondalee's new book that's going to be on this year and people are really really excited about that one. So it's on my list to get into Fondalee and then in terms of

adaptations that are coming. And we've you know Dune Messiah and the Magician's nephew and you know the book of magic, practical magic too. We all talked about on our hard drafts so like you know the book adaptations were very excited about the project tell Mary obviously. Saturized on the reaping. I'm actually kind of excited about that as I was like making fun to know on some some birds and snakes but sometimes on the reaping everyone which is like the

image prequel people have been responding really positive people my life have been responding really positive. That book and are very excited about this movie so I'm interested maybe just come back into to Hunger Games. It's been a minute. One of my favorites. One of my favorite memories just as a

I really liked all of the books. I recommended them to add um he was a pain in the as about it as

always and then so every now and then he'll like surprise me by revealing in some way that he has read

something that I didn't ask him to read. I was like out like a midnight release for a movie. I got a really late from something it was like 3 a.m. And this again this was when we lived in New York so I was young. I had energy. I would say I was a woman about town but that's not true. I probably went out like 12 to a little time so the five and a half years like lived there but there was one of your your joints didn't make that disturbing cranky and I was like I can't remember what I asked

but I was like you know hi I'm home or something and I asked him some question and whatever I

“said allowed his response to be there is no district 12. And that's how he really was like oh yeah”

because I had a really in particular life catching fire so that was very exciting. Oh that's okay maybe this is gonna catch catching fire so good that was great. I mean I got to say like battles on versus snakes as much as I made fun of like the title of that movie like I didn't hate that movie actually like kind of like to. I'm gonna catch up. I'm in the cast the cast for you know your beloved Ray finds it's here like the cast for sunrise on the reef being is incredibly good. So I'm

he's never made one a step in and let me talk about it finally watched a bone temple over the weekend

oh his story stuff from our guy Ray finds his story some of and excellent for a musical enthusiast such as yourself and a dance enthusiast such as yourself it is art of the the highest order genuinely I could see he's just he's the best. Well in the adaptation front I have obviously no ability to comment on this but on the brando sander for what did you make of the Apple TV news that like is that essentially didn't include any questions about that from

our listeners and we did get a lot of questions about that because like I've embarrassed to say I have not read the costume here I felt like started and not finished the first book in in one of his many many series yeah because you got your brando sando journey recently and I have still I've not so well I read trust in the galaxy and I really liked it and I read the nightmare like I read a couple of like the sort of more standalone and then I really tried to like get into the one of the

big series and I flamed out a little bit and I feel embarrassed by it so I don't I'm not allowed to have an impedance about costume but I've excited for people that is happening and I hope it it turns out to be more impactful than and I'm not shooting on wheel of time I just know that it like

“I don't think it landed exactly the way that I think a lot of people really loved it I think a lot”

of people were really excited by it but I don't think it became like you know the thrones level or even I would say rings a power level sort of adaptation project that people who are fans of there are return books were hoping it would be so I hope that whatever happens with this cost mirror adaptation it is everything the brando sando fans wanted to be okay this next question comes to Jordan that was like a mashup of like nine different book

questions so you know thank you to everyone who sent fair book questions this next question comes from Jordan who says I'm about to be watched two of my all-time favorites the expense and black sales these are some of my all-time favorite moments in media especially Toby Steven's speeches and black sales what is an underrated show or performance that does not get talked about enough where you just think to yourself okay that is good that is what I'm talking about

so yeah this is a chance I mean I struggle with this question a little bit because they what stone have we left unturned in terms of this like should we not do this because I don't know how to answer this to the way we already we haven't already but then I was I found my side class we have a few fades that I don't think I've talked about great okay I'm going I'm leaning into the I have been paralyzed by debilitating regret about not having mentioned a couple

things as much as I wanted to or at all in the best of the century so far series and I was going to ask that as an opportunity to rectify that but hit us with what you have tell tell us what did you stick with you just echo I will echo that in terms of the expense which is the show

that I flamed out on though a lot of people love yeah but I love the first the first season I love

“and then a bit into the second season but when it was like spaced war like that's what I really”

loved and then it sort of moved out of that into more just sort of like space politics which is like still very interesting to a lot of people but it like moved away from what I loved and so I kind of bailed out on it but I do think that like season one of the expense and in two season two is like

the early odds it's um it's at a UK show it was a sequel to life on Mars which was a UK show

“that was made into a terrible American show but ashes to ashes basically both the premise of both”

life on Mars and ashes to ashes both named after David Boy songs um is that like a cop in modern day gets shot injured somehow put into a coma that may or may not also be time travel and so they're sent back in time and so in life on Mars Johnson's characters sent back in time to the 70s and ashes to ashes killy haze characters sent back in time to the 80s and um what you have the same characters that were in the 70s world are now in the 80s world and I just loved ashes to

ashes both of those shows kind of like you know ashes ashes more like fall apart a little bit as you as you go forward it gets a little like as they're trying to lay in their premise gets a little like whatever but um it accounts because it's time travel question mark or is it not we're not sure but sort of this like fish out of water especially like this like uh uh 2000s lady cop inside

“of the world of like 80s um you know sexism as of like that um filled Glentester who plays the”

gov the head of the of the department in both uh series is just like one of my all-time favorite

performances of anything ever so ashes ashes I never talk about um the magicians we have talked

about Legion we have talked about but lay out those are both worth it worth another mention always love both of those just like aren't as seen as they're as they deserve to be yeah uh first couple of season depending dreadful also sort of put on the list yeah absolutely dreadful that's from last to time but that's that show was quite assured in its sense of self in a way I really admire and that some just great performances including from um our shared wife David Gray and just

one of the most beautiful people who's ever had great incredible yeah really really good shit um the Green Night Dev Patel Dev Patel has been getting a lot of um you know you and I love Dev Patel we we spent an entire South by getting really excited for movie that wasn't very good but we were excited to be in the presence of Dev um but uh Dev has been getting a lot of play on my Instagram really lately because so many people really wanted him uh as Heathcliff and Wuthering Heights and uh and I

got to say like thinking about Wuthering Heights with Dev Patel and it is just like what a what if

but anyway the Green Night I thought deserve way more uh love than I got David Lauer's uh incredible

visually incredible like sort of psychedelic exploration of a great authory and tale um which I really love I wanted I want to say this is not gonna be impressive to you but I was so proud um um so Ralph and it's a new place the Green Night in in that and shows up at a ton of fantasy things I was talking to Robin Kai um after we like went to go see a screening of something and we were just like out of the street having like a curbside conversation and we were talking about Ralph and it's

in and uh one of them was like oh wasn't he in Game of Thrones and I was like oh yeah a nightmare club shop and they just like looked at me that they were like I'm sorry who and I was like a nightmare club shop obviously and I just felt so like it's stuff I'm in the wrong conversation that like so I feel like if I were talking to you they would be like you'd be like yeah of course so wonderful uh really wonderful armor design on the Iron Islanders and in that stretch of

yeah in the thrones and season two I'm very memorable very memorable um to some glass I'm going to let me wrap up I talk about the fall a lot the lead pace film um but just again one of the most visually exquisite things uh a a 4k uh disc that I own that I love uh but occasionally gets released out into theaters so if you can go see one of the big screen um I I saw it at the Alamo in terms of just go a couple of years ago it was just like such a lush and credible experience

Steve Alman's favorite and he loves that movie he does love the fall um um

dead like me we talked about pushing daisy but stuff like me was something yeah incredible

incredible brimful or show before pushing daisy's that I really love Mandy Patinken so good there's some like incredible scenes with Mandy and like the waffle house that they like uh would

“would meet up in and caliber like I just I really love that show and then um last one at least I think”

on my list this is Diana my best friend Diana suggested a Star Trek Voyager which is like not when we talk about a lot but she said specifically the doctor in seven of nine is Jerry Ryan's character who's a who's a board um and basically Diana's point and it's a really good one is that Jerry Ryan was hired to be like the tits and asks on that show like you know they like an extremely hot

and you're like yeah but but she's so good that they then gave her like the best storyline um because

it's as I exploration of the board and humanity and individualism and the bliss of the collective and all this sort of just like really complicated Star Trek Star Trek stuff that that you can get into but just like I love the Jerry Ryan showed up knew she was eye candy was so good at her job that they're like oh you could do so much more it's like it's like we talked about this a lot with Star Trek Lactica um when the character of Capri Six was supposed to be just sort of like eye candy but

then like that performance was so good by Trisha Helfer that they turned that into like something quite extraordinary so um yeah though that would be my list of like things that I don't talk a lot

about yeah but still have a great list a cozy corner in my heart but I mean we had some we definitely

had some overlap dead like me Legion Penny dreadful um the fall uh I I mostly just wanted to use this as an opportunity to like formally apologize to myself um and everyone I've let down for I really can't believe I haven't had a fringe entry on best of the century so far yet because it

“is a show that I love and I think it fits both aspects of the prompt here with like the”

the property itself but then also the performances and side of it because I think Anna Torv in fringe as Olivia um is just it's such an anpholivia it's in quite quite right and um it's just such a especially compared like you know you're sharing all of these scenes and it's just an amazing as

it always is John Noble performance as um Dr Bishop and of course Joshua Jackson is here

as his son Peter Bishop the the blend of like energies uh and and degrees that the three of them are bringing in all of their scenes you know Lance Redic is wonderful in this show um letter Neemly I was in fringe which was a really fun thing to share with Adam because he's like his Adam is a a trekky like you and like literally has just you know all time favorite and so that was just super fun. There's like great Blair Brown performance um but I feel like fringe wall

really entrenched as a beloved cult classic is a little loss to the sands of time and like you know existed in this interesting way as very much and you notice this is a bad robot JJ Abrams part of this like real era of JJ Abrams it's it's it's easy JJ Abrams show but also part of this moment in time where we had a lot of JJ Abrams poppin like lost in the aliens and like et cetera et cetera exactly and so like that that those aspects are present certainly but there's like

such a um a clear debt that fringe owes to you know 12 it's own ex files et cetera right and it has a real like procedural so it was on fox it aired from uh 08 to 13 it's like a hundred episodes it's not like the easiest thing to just say I'm gonna go back and watch fringe like there's a there's a lot of fringe um five seasons but the procedural aspects of it for like a network show of that era really fun as the mythology started to deepen and it became this like really entrenched characters

“on an arc serialized story it moved into a different tier and I think probably a lot of people didn't”

make it to that point in the show and I think it's what it's really worth um you know like if you're into a lot of the stuff that we cover here you know the kind of like um a paranormal sci-fi fantasy like alternate worlds aspects um alternate timelines, alternate versions of yourself etc that's all there it's a very weird like unapologetically weird and I think it is quite funny but also very intense and it's really driven by like inward character motivations that reveal themselves over time

and like there's a great slow burn romance in it that is like still again a shock to me that they didn't that didn't make our recent realize they episode there's like a great father son relationship it's just really it's a show I love and I miss and I'm long long long overdue for a rewatch so felt like an opportunity here to rectify my recent wrong of not toasting it on best of the century so far and toasting it here um and then this one is completely predictable but if I

didn't mention dark wall we got this question it would be it's just a sort of a force allowed to mention dark but this question exists to talk about dark and celebrate dark I mentioned it every chance I get on the pod but like if you've not yet watched dark it's only three seasons German language Netflix time travel mystery show that is one of the most uh fully real

“I don't honestly don't even look at the cast list because you'll get spoilers there like look at”

nothing look at nothing other than the thumbnail on your television screen as you click in

let it kind of boot the next episode you know play yeah it does that for you um just a sensational one of the most brilliant this is like the ultimate cork board you know strings on my my theory tracker show but you don't have to watch it that way you can though and that's very fun uh so check that out if you happen it's the best it's the best and I will co-sign you know this this message from Jordan I will say um black sales is a phenomenal show that does not get enough love and and the the writing

in it is so beautiful um and Toby Stevens is incredible this is a uh decided treasure island sort of like

prequel kind of thing and it's just like uh yeah I mean it's the same creators who did Percy Jackson so there's a lot of like DNA crossover there but like it's uh it's quite underrated and just like yeah some of the most beautiful writing and and speechifying you ever did see um

“I'm just gonna go to this question we got from Band About Survivor 50 the question I think I believe”

was I have it hold on uh it is Survivor 50 winner picks and predictions for who from the season 50 cask gets the white allotus oh yeah I am you this is easy this is easy I have a very quick answer for the white load as cameo as well but it's three oh like it's interesting okay so microwave is on calo calo I don't care so heal so this is Survivor 50 just in case you guys don't watch Survivors the 50th season of Survivor they brought back yeah uh a lot of uh you know a lot of faves some conspicuous absences they're various reasons

for that um a lot of new era players are here a surprising amount you can hear um Riley Mackettie Malay Rubin and Tyson himself from Survivor talk about this on the pot of spoken like there's it a lot of gray rigger coverage on this I and by no means as if I were expert I am like a new recruit recruited by Malery until what was Survivor so um I didn't realize that I was getting a new recruit who won a pool last season win I did win my pool season 49 anyway I have watched almost every season

that is like these people are represented for I'm not every single one though there are some new era seasons that I haven't watched so there are some players that are like a little bit of a black box to me I just think that Seri uh who is this like absolute Survivor legend a lot of people

call her the greatest player to never have won etc etc a member of uh the black widow brigade which

“is like the I think the best fucking thing that's ever happened on Survivor etc like Seri is”

hearing a lot of people are are rooting for her to like this is her time she's finally going to win sort of thing I have some like I believe that Survivor the producers of Survivor put their thumb on the scale for various players they can't control everything inside of a game but in terms of like advantages and other things unlike um you know tribeswops and all these like various things that they can control I do think they put their thumb on the scale for like narratives that they think

would you know um would work out so like that and I think they are emotionally invested in Seri going as far as she can go on a career. I thought Seri was your wildest cat no she's no she's my white lotus candy. I don't know that she's gonna win okay but I but she's my white lotus came you so so you were okay so to go back to you they have put us they there are three different tribes to start with yes more players than usual three different tribes Mike White is on a certain

tribe so what is your tribe what is your tribe so that's so okay I was looking back we'll do our win is surprising abs oh my god he shredded that was great so previously the white lotus cameo's Alec obviously is like an actual character Alec plays Hutchinson one of white lotus and Alec played with Mike White on my favorite season David versus Clio's season two Angelina and Cara Angelina back now of course for season 50 but has already been on

whitelist and the beach scene with Daphne and then season three we got Natalie and Carl and then very quickly a flash of of Christian. Hmm Christian my favorite we'll talk about that when we get to our winner predictions in a minute. Sure so all of the people who have appeared on white lotus so far on this of course make sense we're on David versus Clio's. Now it's possible I'm missing somebody

also had a cameo from a different season but basically this makes sense they're they played with

“Mike White that's why they're there and there were a lot of good lives because that was”

Mike White's tribe before we got to a David. So I basically I was just like who's on like White's tribe to start the season here because I'm not sure if you need anything to it or even a tribe spot but I would love to be wrong because I think it's not only a scene him I think he was

shocked me more. I had a meeting with Riley the next day that just happened to be on the

books and I was like was this a known thing apparently it was I had no I definitely was but you when I bolt for like two hours in and we were like how long is this time here stuff I mean I was the old I would watch three hours every week but that was stunning to be a lot um so okay Mike White is on uh Calo Caleb the teal tribe with Charlie Tiff Chrissy Camilla D coach and Jonathan my early pick then would be D because they had the chompers chat you know Mike White compliment

team are those years no great stuff but my dream mid dream I just beg the universe to give us this gift is for Mike White to make it at least to a tribe swap and to be on a tribe with Q so

“that Q can be on white loadess which I think frankly we all deserve. I have to say like I don't”

think we need to be as uh hemmed in by did Mike White play with them maybe because there's all the like promo tour and then the like show hearty's and stuff like that so there's plenty of opportunity for him to like mix and mingle with players that he didn't like actively play with but I think I think you're right to narrow it down to that I just think there's I just think Ciri yeah you know that would be great that would be wrongs on that and I think my suspicion is so like you mentioned Christian

Rick Devons like this is this is an incredible alliance that they've already given plenty of

screen time to and in in this first episode too like so it would be incredible for them to go

the distance together like that would be there's so I love Christian they're so dare carries them out like together they're so delightful I am suspicious that and this is based on me watching you know like I forget which season it was but when they like brought Ozzie and Coach back is like real bad so I'm doing try yeah but like I feel like I could feel their thumb on this skill and that season of trying to keep both Ozzie and Coach in as long as they could in that

season because that was sort of like the whole core storyline of that season so I feel like people like Ciri and Coach and Ozzie like they're gonna try to keep those people in as as far as they can in in the game is a suspicion I have I don't think we're gonna be like left with a bunch of like

“brand new era players yeah I'm sure is the other thing interesting there's a car I I think that's”

right there's a conflict between maybe what the producers want and how the players will be inclined

because right no but like but like as much as the producers can yeah sure set up challenges where someone you know Ciri might not flame out so hard on like a future challenge or you know put an advantage you know like they're on exile island or whatever and there's like an advantage waiting you know what I mean like there are things that they can do for sure to help they can't completely fix the game but they can help to keep certain pressure you know I so my dearest hope to to put

a pin in the white lotus I think you're right that it could be anyone who's just intermingling as a part of it because my quite even it's like I just didn't want to I'm here because I didn't want to miss out I have foam on this is like a great party so while in the past you might have been dictated his decisions might have been like did I fuck you and I'm making it up to you by letting you come to like Sicily or were we pals maybe now it's just we were a part of this magical

experience together my so for winner my dearest hope is that a discussion because as we've talked

“about before I think he is like one of the all time clearly played the best game has season and”

should have won and didn't injustices in the history of survivor and I would like to see that rectified I was thrilled as a result of that to see him so centered in the premiere both in terms of this wonderful alliance with devins and Emily which is like the green alliance is very exciting to me the genius of figuring out despite their restrictions on the kinds of lenses that you can have to avoid exactly this possibility starting the fire with glasses I'm just like this guy is just

riveting to me to watch for that same reason secret kiss and we got the tug and on the hard states for that same reason I obviously am very concerned as you noted rightly I think last week that everybody recognizes what a genius he is and what a brilliant tactician is strategic master my ideas and so will he be allowed to linger for long I don't know um I I Riley on the for if you're not listening to the pot is spoken you're not watching the pot is spoken get with it right now

they're doing double episodes every week a traditional breakdown Wednesday night waiting for you on your feed and then exit interviews with eliminated players Riley made they do predictions every episode for like where they are and the given season who they think is going to win Riley kind of compelled me with his gen of eve case which I think would have been a strong pick regardless and gen of eve is the kind of new era player who I think has a chance to really really go far

makes me think one of them wins it was so weird or otherwise there's like a very significant like the two of them battling it out yes but that could be one of the relationships that drives the season yeah the edit is so important to watch it's harder in a three hour episode because they have so much more space to sort of like shove various storylines in there and they're trying they were trying to set up like a three way who will be eliminated tension that was largely manufactured but

that's fine yeah I'm I'm excited I'm sad I haven't done my pixie yet for my pool I guess I

“haven't till today I think to put them in so I do when I'm usually pretty bad at predicting that”

this early in the season and I think I like many people have a much better feel for deeper into the game I don't want to if anyone is like I didn't expect you guys to talk about survival on this

pod I don't want to hear spoilers I haven't watched I won't say what happened in the first episode

yet this is a safe space however I will say in a coded way and if you don't even want to hear this kind of coded thing just hit fast forward two times um I think Camilla I was devastated by what happened at the end of the premiere I won't say what it was to preserve the people on this but yeah I was devastating so that's I just love that player I think Camilla is well positioned as a result of that to go far interesting I'll just say interesting yeah well and in meanwhile I

think that her it's Genevieve's game it does it does and I think if Genevieve can recover that's part of why weird they had like why Riley really compelled me because I'm like that alliance immediately felt a tatters but that's the kind of thing where if you can make it through that you become a number you can move with freedom and you have such a strong story at the end but I mean I who knows there are so many I mean 24 players is a batch I know that's a lot

don't you want to try that map um anyway so remember 50 yeah we might talk about it more on this podcast maybe not we'll say um okay let's tag and go to Jane Austenland okay so our listener jazz wrote in about the upcoming Pride and Pregnus hitting Netflix this year asking uh do y'all have feelings about jack loud and playing mr. Darcy and he takes there and he thoughts that a general dislike of a blonde mr. Darcy I've been seeing on Twitter

which is sad leave my boy alone Emma court is lusy eight my fav but I mad tonight there so

“right upcoming Pride and Pregnus adaptation yeah what are your thoughts and feelings on it?”

I can't wait I I am a Jane Austen obsessive I took a Jane Austen course in college like I love Jane Austen I would say I'm pretty rusty it's been you know quite a while since I've revisited the source text though I did just receive a beautiful new box set from my lovely husband so I'll dive back in and refresh myself um but I'm like I'm one of these uh Jane Austen fans where you could give me 500 Pride and Pregnus adaptations and you the world have right actual adaptations

also things like Pregnus is diary which is of course a modern um at your favorite Pride and Pregnus

and zombie and I'll never tire of it I'll never tire of getting Pregnus adaptations or

Austin adaptations of any sort so I'm interested to see you know this Netflix version of it in terms of the I mean the cast is just in general I think great like Olivia Coleman is here what what is to complain about Darcy I'm a comic as as Bingley is quite fun I like him a lot um I just as a matter of kind of principle I don't really understand uh uh dunking on and shredding a casting because of somebody's hair color that seems like not reasonable to me however I will take it beyond

that and say just watch a second of anything Jack Latter has ever done and you'll feel better it deliver cart rate on slow horses as a show we both love is one of my favorite TV characters

“of performances in recent memory and I think that he um Jack Latter as River has exactly what”

Darcy needs there's that kind of like skeptical to touch haughty quality but then such warmth when a relationship develops or you gain access to it so I think he'll be great I'm excited

can't wait I'm really into Jack Latter as this is very interesting I'm a core and has never

done something uninteresting ever I'm a core in uh the closest comp I can come up with for this is her lady Charlie's lover that she did which was actually she was very good in so like um I I'm intrigued by this I however I'm not a I'm not a huge uh Joe Wright currently Matthew McFadden Pride and Projectist fan I prefer the mini series just because there's way more room for it's not it's not just like the Colin Firth of it all it's just like there's just so much more room for like

the eccentric side characters which I think is what makes Jane Austen so special and so when you

persuasion or the English and sensibility like there are movie versions that have figured this out

“but I I think the Joe Wright Pride and Projectist has a lot going for it but ultimately”

boils it to focuses it too much on Lizzie and Darcy when I think like the whole family dynamic and I think I do think that like Mrs. Bennett is one of like the all-time great Jane Austen Croatian so Olivia Coleman is just like sort of like as Mrs. Bennett like it's extremely exciting so I'm I'm I'm open to see what happens here but I do think in general you're really hard pressed to capture the magic of a Jane Austen novel inside of a feature length

presentation so yeah and we'll do what happens there 20 26 Netflix adaptation be able to topple the iconic BBC 95 mini series featuring Colin Firth and a Sodom white shirt I doubt it but that's okay maybe it'll be great maybe it'll be great you know maybe there will be like you know because um like Ross and Pike is so good as Jane in in the Joe Wright version um that's one of my favorite being Liz like that being Liz so good

“Simon would I think it's that actually um so you know like there's always going to be you know”

and and Tom Hollanders cause Collins like you know incredible stuff so like there's always

going to be some things that like really really land in an adaptation to enjoy so um unless it's the Dakota Johnson persuasion which was one of the like worst crimes against a Jane Austen that I've ever seen that's a great book my favorite my favorite Jane Austen but I think just absolutely shit the bed on that so anyway okay um let's oh on the Jennifer Ealy front I will just take us over to uh we got a lot of emails about uh the vampire list at the upcoming interview the vampire

television show we don't need to linger too long here because I just want to announce officially I think we've said it a couple times but not everyone listens to every podcast so in case you're listening to this podcast we will be covering the vampire list at every episode is it airing at the same time as house of the dragon yep is that gonna stop me from doing super long episodes about the vampire list that and nope that's just means it's peak peak house of our season

peak just we get kind of like kind of uh bui like when we did rings the power and house the dragon at the same time that was you're just sort of like running on adrenaline it's like very very good um I don't say so in terms of like the promo that's come out for the vampire list at yeah uh season three of interview with the vampire essentially um they've released a couple teaser trailers um IGN fan fest had like a whole scene which was

fucking incredible about list at finding out about the book and going to a Montreal bookstore

and like losing his shit as he's listening to these booksellers a mangle French in their kebab quacks and and be talk about how much they love our mod is just like one of the best

“things I've ever seen everything has been so exciting but as I texted you and I think of”

already mentioned on the pod as part of the promo they released a long face a vampire list at a single on Spotify under the artist name like the vampire list at so they've like given him like his own artist page that track has 483,000 plays I believe 480,000 of them are me so um we're just we're out here living I'm here I was gonna ask you like if you just knew on the date of March 3rd, 2,026 what was gonna top your Spotify wrapped like is it done that's literally what you texted

me you were like how comforting to already have your Spotify wrapped number one but tag uh track out there was the uh the variable here the complicating aspect of that is they have indicated they will be releasing they're just gonna it's a slow drip of cracks until the yes until the show gets out so yes I mean that just guarantees is very good higher top five will probably all be songs from the vampire list that will be you're artists of the year for the vampire list that that's

going to be pretty I can't wait I can't wait for my wrapped video that I would get from Sam Roan in the end of the year um I'm piano and your forte you're a Lego I'm a Dante like the lyrics for this song are so exciting the um and then and then sort of like the pro I mean it's based on the book of vampire list app but what seems to be clear about how they're gonna do like flashbacks and and all of this uh Jennifer Ely who is Lizzy Bennett in that 95 Pride and Prejudice

place Gabriella in this I'm very excited about that um Marius is here um Magnus is here

sort of like pop up in the modern you see Louie from season one of uh interview with the vampire

so popping up in the modern day audience inside of these concerts uh the vampire list status going on tour so this is like a trauma drug-induced fueled inspired by uh Daniel Muloy interviews perhaps like journey for a list at to go through his origin story so this idea of like people from the past cropping up in the future as like in the present as like a hallucination is just like incredibly exciting it's very much like uh the best parts of David and Heron Hall when I told

you like I like it when a story is like oozing it and out of like reality and memory and dream and so like that and you don't really in like the camera tricks you can play in order to make that happen like I'm really excited for what we get from that so that inside of a velvet gold mine as like rock musical every single photo they've released of Sam Reed like riding around on the ground in like leather pants shirtless is just like a gift or a very lot of Daniel Hart quotes

about Bowie has an influence just magical stuff what a time to be mean and us I can't wait to I'm so excited I we recently had the privilege on our you know our gift swap where you treat the me to season two of interview with a vampire and I took you into an act of me do I know for a

vampire gosh um I just thought that that was an incredible season of television so I'm really

looking forward to to this can't wait yeah I mean there's this quote that uh that Raleigh Jones the

“showrunner gave to I think nerd history said our our mind will show up in quote full gremlin”

fashions we're gonna get our mind we're gonna get we haven't seen it gosh yet we they've cast our she let him is playing her but we got we haven't gotten the queen of the damned and the trailers yet so there's just like a lot to come summer is gonna be extraordinary for us I'm extremely excited so um here we go okay this next question comes from Emily it's about project Hill Mary the promise of the question spoilers for anyone who hasn't seen the trailers there there's sort of like

putting the promise of the book out there and all of the trailers so if you've seen any promo material

like you know what the promise of the of the story is which is not necessarily case if you just read the book called so um that's sort of at the core of this question so if you don't want to know maybe skip ahead but uh Emily wrote here in both Dr. Hill and Project Hill Mary we're on a very close spaceship for a very long time with another person would you rather be roommates with the doctor or rocky both of their pros smart funny problem solvers both of their cons the doctor can't

drive most of the time and rocky camp breathe the same air so I'm curious what you guys would go for personally give me rocky any day of the week seems like a great hang when once we get past the language barrier so people don't know rocky is this uh rock based life form that uh you know our guy Ryan Gosling Riley Grace meets in space so would you rather hang out with rocky or and I say you

“get to pick which doctor of your choosing I think it's really funny that we got this a question”

based on something we have already helped for project Hill Mary that's not seen the length of day yet but what would you pick now okay so if I got to pick my doctor but then do I get to control like what how long I'm with that doctor because we have regeneration at any point and then who knows you know I don't worry he'll tire of you or kill you before he has a chance to regenerate I get a few velvet blazer days with 12 and then I'm fucked to me with love and respect to the doctor this is the

easiest question that we've ever gotten to answer I again we've encouraged you to skip to the just the next chapter title if you don't in the in the in the chapter list if you don't want to hear this at all but um I'll try to keep it not spoilery uh rocky is one of my favorite characters in fiction and I think rocky is an icon and I think that sharing um space and a space like space space but also space like a space with rocky and sharing a life with rocky would be the honor

“and privilege of my existence rocky very cat-coded to me so I think it would just be wonderful you know”

the idea of being able to like to to Emily's point in the question the problem solving nature the like I'm a I can fix this I can build something I can figure it out for a goal oriented mission oriented but the charm the the humor the charm the genuine desire to forge a connection it's all I want out of life so uh if you know we can't breathe the same air that's fine I think we're breathing something more important and that's a shared experience it's rocky for me how about you I would uh

shove rocky out the airlock it meant that I could adventure with a test doctor I dare you dare you I love rocky but you couldn't just send it down to the doctor I don't know no out there just in a car oh my god this is the legs

we got a lot of people emailing about traders I know this isn't a show that you've watched no I haven't spent too much time tell me tell me why tell me what I'm missing because I mean I'm consuming this exclusively through instagram rock witness Rob yeah Quinads yes I've been I've been I haven't been consuming those rob made it into my algorithm

“I think in part because I follow some other people who were on traders and so then some of the”

traders content made it's way it's my algorithm and then I was served more traders content but like I'm really with Rob you're a big Michael Rob but you're a big Michael Rob important guy I know I do know just as like a kind of a legacy follow from a thousand years ago from one Colton was the bachelor very memorable season of the bachelor I can't remember who else I'm a season of traders I I follow but I don't I don't watch all of Ireland so I didn't know

Rob before this but I have not seen as I've told you other than on instagram else a

second of traders I've never watched this show and I watch reality TV I watch you know some

yeah game competition thing song not as much that you do but I do feel that I would like this I've not consumed a second of it tell me what I'm missing and and also you would love Rob because like the deal is so spoiler for the traders yeah Rob Roush who is like a guy who likes snakes but was also in love island and ours ever oh yeah he won pretty handily and I will say you would love this because you would love how smart and good and ruthless Rob was this game

“I think he would really appeal to something inside of you in terms of like the best man should win and”

like he I mean without question he outsmarted everyone like he's he's shown playing chess several times this season like he's a big chess guy and so like it's just so clear that he played this season like a game of chess and he just positioned all the pieces where he wanted them be he uses pretty privilege he screwed over his fellow traders like he did all this stuff and he and he won the way he won at the end of the day is there is this woman named mora who is also a

love island alum and a very beautiful Irish woman who came to the game knowing nothing about it

like sign up for the game without knowing what the rules were and basically sort of like a

taster self to Rob or he said like come stand by me and then she was just like his faith a little lieutenant without knowing that he was lying to her the whole time so she was a trader she was a faithful she was a faithful he made her like basically his shield but he made a bunch of like Colton was one of his shields like he made like a bunch of people his sort of like covers him with his game Natalie from survivor like a bunch of people and like it was only at the very end that

people started counting on him but it was like too late he had said too many pieces in place like the last two episodes people kind of knew he was a trader could not convince more otherwise despite compelling evidence and so she the finale was really quite boring because she just voted with Rob three votes and it was like it's like the most predictable vote three

votes in a row it all hinged on wheelmore flip she was never going to flip on him okay and then the last

thing was like him revealing to her that he was a trader was it incredible television yes what is it one the most painful thing as I've ever watched yes because she's just sort of like we won and he was like I'm a trader and she's like and that he gets he gets to keep himself he gets all the money she gets nothing okay um geez it's hard because more I like more turn on every like woman in the game turned on every like gay person in the game to just like stick by this Alabama

boy who was screwing her over the whole time was really hard for to watch she was not being a girl's girl but I try really hard to be a girl's girl so I'm trying to be on more aside even though more was not on the side of I feel really bad for her she called herself stupid so many times and I felt like so crushed for her she's she's like even barist me made a fool of me like all this or stuff like that he's like I'm sorry it's the game and he's right I mean like he's right he played a

really he played a perfect game like but it's just like really hard to watch and it was just like I was watching some a creator that I follow an Instagram who does a great job of like watching shows and commenting while she watches them and she was like she's like I want a room for the girls in the gaze but the straight guy is playing such a better game and it's like so true like so more a you betrayed all the people that I wanted you to align with but you pay the price and

I feel really bad for you that that happened to you and one of the internet is calling her dumb and I feel really bad on that too and I just like it's just it's just really tough and then they had a reunion afterwards and that was like really hard for you to watch so Rob won he deserved to win

“I feel bad about it that he won but like you have to admire that the game any played does that make sense”

yes that's great I mean how I've laid it up it sounds wonderful but sounds great I'm really good

the only reality that I watch and like I will say especially when I was in LA the last couple months everywhere I went I could talk to people at the traders like everyone was watching and everyone was talking about it and like it reminded me of like watching you go through the world being able to talk about sports when I could just talk to anyone about the traders yeah and I just felt like I had an easy way into small talk with anyone I will value it forever for that but like

Alan coming yeah it's just incredible it's edited preposterously and the most sort of like I

rolling over the top they're creating like done done done cliffhangers when there isn't really a cliffhanger like all of that is true but like the trauma of the present the the the premise and then we got a bunch of people asking if I'd see the UK traders I did watch this most recent season which was like a celebrity UK traders which was very good um how does the traders here original one are they similar are they like they're not all the same it's no it's like the same game um it's just

“with better accents usually UK traders is normal people and I think they are going to do a normal”

people American that's more interesting to me I think without like bringing the associations that we have with these other either famous people or other like reality starts though I wasn't interested to learn a thing I did not know that um so Kristen from top chef was on the season of traders how did she do she's one of the great my great top chef loves everyone was constantly talking

about I mean she looked amazing it's a whole time one of them everyone's talking beautiful

constantly talking about how uh smart she was yeah but she was so often wrong it was when she which a lot of them are but there was this one moment where one of the traders got Rob got one of his both of his fellow traders out but he got one of his fellow traders out and in on her way out that trader you can't out another trader okay but you can sort of like vote for them if you want to and sort of try to lead people to vote for them to get them out but he got he got this house

“wife can't us out and can't us on her way out tried to like blow up his game yeah so in the last two”

round tables where they vote to vote someone out she voted for Rob twice and morea in her Irish accent kept calling it a troll wave vote it's a troll wave vote why did she do it's a troll wave vote but like um but like she was trying to like signal like he's the other trader like she couldn't say it outright but that was her attempt and Kristen after the second time Kristen's like can't just try to pin this on Rob that sweet sweet man how ridiculous and all of my respect for Kristen just

like went out the window she was just like rolling her eyes at Candace and I was like Candace was trying to tell you guys something on our way out the door but okay so anyway this is easy to sit at home obviously and like judge that people are dumb and wrong and they're all like paranoid and like also yes quite you know there's like a ton of housewives and they're I don't know any housewives I don't know I don't know anyone except the survivor players yeah and then like

the RuPaul Drag Race players and that's like the only people in the channel are in the back there sometimes right I would know so yeah but yeah you would know the challenge people but like and like a rapper poor was randomly there but like yeah I don't know any of the housewives are big for other people or I would not know the best of the last five see their Kristen's top chef win back in the day spoiler for a thousand years ago it's one of the great top

chef performances of all time just her food unbelievable now she's of course the host right yeah yes she's absolutely beautiful to look at but her whole reputation being smart I was like are we sure or she just got a really bad at it I don't know this is one of the best survivor in the new era to to that last point that I I do find fascinating I actually think I said this before the players are too self-aware now of like just what it means to be on survivor they all think

their scholars because they've watched their entire lives they're thinking about how they're gonna be edited many of them are like professional podcasts they're they're like consciously aware of their image etc but and so I'm kind of my dream is like after 50 a reset where it's like

cast survivor like a jury like people who've never seen it before like let's really start with a

clean slate I think that would be really interesting however one thing I do find genuinely compelling about the hyper aware I'm a lifelong survivor super fan era of survivor is how they talk about the debilitating terror of looking like an idiot on TV in real time as they're feeling that anxiety there's there's there's something to say played there's this thing that happens on traders that is different from what happens on survivor because like there is this sort of like

safety and numbers voting that happens as a survivor of sort of like well if everyone's going for

“this person I'll just stick with the group at a certain point in the game right yeah that's what”

like every round table elimination is like it on the traders where it becomes this like mob mentality thing that is like people just like vote where the mob is going and who is running where the mob is

it that is just like very interesting to watch as watching the standard comedian talk about UK traders and how he was like at one point someone revealed that they were a doctor and then everyone voted them out as if to be like the magic man knows too much get him out you know what I mean like this is just idea of like and and to your point like the the call of the gamer so anyone who's like on survivor the challenge or big brother like those are the gamers and it's like they have

big targets on their back um the housewives vote in a pack together you know like all of these like preconceived notions that people break to the table but but like the gamers are like you know but like seri, parvities, Sandra, Tony, Boston Rob like all these survivor legends have all played

“on the the traders so I think you it's a trade to say I'm by Rob if I if I were to start maybe I”

would just start at the beginning because I can't help myself but if I were to go back and watch once he's and I would watch Boston Rob season because he says you know an all time around for me and that's

where uh Gabby, oh sure everybody on last season uh incredible uh Zac Efron's brother Dylan Efron

and Merch is a tremendous star on that season and then yeah like Boston Rob, Bob the drag queen and Boston Rob and Bob the drag queen are now hosting the traders podcast so to your point how can I spin this into you know Dylan Efron like Rob Rouch definitely like he was already doing like door dash adds during the season but like he's definitely going to try to spin this into as much as you can which is like no wonder he's not like what else can you do. Yeah. Did I talk about traders

longer than we're about to talk about Wonderman perhaps but here we are okay so Dan wrote it we got a couple people writing an asking for our thoughts on Wonderman as you know that we both loved a door was dropped in a binge drop yes at a time when uh some personal stuff was going on with us I was like in LA and like stuff was going on with Mallory and then also uh neither seven kingdoms is like in full swing so like all these factors combined uh and we had some like

makeup episodes that we had to do in a timely fashion all of this combined to us not covering Wonderman which was like a real tragedy because we loved this show and it hadn't been dropped in a binge like I assure you we would have caught up with it um and it breaks my heart to think of like there are so many shows that we've like covered week to week that felt like a real slog and this is a show we loved and didn't cover so I feel really like bummed by the scheduling gods that that's

how it happened but um this is extraordinarily delightful one of my like I love agatha because I love agatha but like um because of all of its witch stuff goness but I think in an objective sense this

“was the best thing Marvel has done in like years um just in terms of like how light on its feet”

it was how funny but emotionally resonant it was uh the performance yeah yeah uh in in the lead

was like incredible with Ben Kingsley was like phenomenal and then you have got like Joe Pantelliano

showing up it's like a great skewering of Hollywood inside of this superhero storytelling and I just had just such a good time with it and I I'm I'm so sorry that it feels like it got not just less lost to us but like kind of lost in general in this era of like dampened enthusiasm from for Marvel when you want to save a Wonderman I did coastline all of that I mean I I thought this was an absolute gem of a show I watched this in one sitting all in a row every episode in a row um which you know

I love a banjo I love to to sit there and watch multiple episodes of TV in a row but I I was just very compelled by I mean it's zippy it's it's it's quick moving most of the episodes and with like a compelling um proportion point into the necks and also a racist sensational needle drop the the music on the sea surface fucking dynamite um yeah but yeah I just thought this was such a you know to to your point about where we are more broadly in the MCU and some of the um not

“some of the the for many unrelenting fatigue and I think for it for you know what their fans”

there have been some um you know exciting moments are encouraging moments more recently but

this was just such a breath of fresh air and just so vibrant and charming and I always love

yeah I think he's just like an incredibly charismatic and compelling um a performer and so I'm not surprised that his Simon was a delight to spend time with but I thought he was just sensational the ability um if anyone hasn't listened to maybe two episodes ago on the watch Andy interviewed Andrew guest uh one of the one of the um creative minds behind Wonderman and very amusing bit uh through line throughout their entire interview of insisting

on referring to him as Sir Ben Kingsley the entire time which I got such a kick out of but also is appropriate and they talked that's great because when I did the sneakers

so um and outraged in a scandal and outraged in the scandal astonishing but you know but we have as many Marvel fans have spent many hours of our lives talking about Iron Man 3

“in the original introduction of Trevor big Trev into our lives I think to um bring him back”

in Shang Qi and what I thought was such a delightful and shocking way that I like I know reason to anticipate our expect and that in that way and now continue to find a way to like incorporate Sir Ben Kingsley into the MCU in a way that makes complete sense of is completely plausible like the Trevor this was such a smart use of Trevor and I thought there's go ahead yeah oh sorry one scene with the casting director is familiar so I got to keep

his a terrorist like this is like it's really good that was all great and I just thought like there are a lot of relationships in the MCU that we come to care deeply about over time but very quickly I found myself very invested in Trevor and Simon as a duo very genuinely invested and I think to be like meta aspects of to your scuring of Hollywood point like that's a super interesting and I thought was well executed you know it is a um it's a choice it's a decision at a moment when

people are down on the MCU and people are down on the glut of uh and dominance uh in terms of just the sheer presence but you know it's kind of like diminished quality of superhero um comic book storytelling it's a choice to say we're going to make this like a meta story when we the MCU a meta story inside of the MCU and we the MCU are the cause of much of that right you got to nail it if you do that it's just a kind of a disaster if you try to do that and you misfire so I don't you know

I tend to really enjoy the the meta you know pursuits like something like the studio is obviously very fun I thought the franchise like really missed the mark it was a let down but this really worked

“in that respect and um I think also the way that it feels like very very contained and accessible”

and you know Simon Williams is an interesting comic book character with a ton of lore you don't need any of that to come into this you don't really need despite what we were just saying about you know Iron Man 3 and and Shonkshi um you don't you know the MCU priors really like you can come and explain it like really quickly sort of like what the history is or the character and like

char is basically the only character that you need any kind of like information on and and like

I think we talked about this a lot with like I don't know um soka or something like that like the threading the line between like rewarding someone who's done all the homework and making an inviting for someone who hasn't done the homework and like yeah marbles been really struggling under that for like the last several years and I just thought they really nailed it with this one rush to sort of like it's quite welcoming for people who haven't watched Iron Man 3 or Shonkshi

but also there's stuff there for people who have uh yeah yeah you're like a huge department of damage control head and you've been tracking the deployment of the agency across properties or something like you know that's fun but you don't need any of that so yeah it was just it was wonderful if you just be a succession fan and I'm sorry I'm not here and that's all you need

you know always always always welcome um yeah you you call that joy pants but that was one of

the great pleasures of my recent television viewing life that was just amazing that whole sequence is like so good so so funny Simon talking about like Simon talking with his agent about like code switching inside of that experience them talking about like prosciutto like all of that it was very the studio it was really really good I will say the one thing that they did so episode four halfway through the season you get this episode uh door man which is just

it felt a little bit like they were chasing watchman and like that episode of watchman where you're sort of like taken back in time in a way that I'm just sort of like I don't think you needed to do this or needed to do it right then it felt like a slight derailment of and especially it comes after episode three but koima which is like very doing a lot of work in that like Trevor Simon bond uh that you talk about the way that that episode ends is just like

your deep in your feelings about their connection and the position that Trevor finds himself in

“so that sort of slight you know to watch it all in a binge is like I think maybe it doesn't stick out as”

much as if like you're watching it like a little bit more spread out but I would say that would be like my one critique of just sort of the rhythm of the season uh would be that episode which

they liked but like you know what I mean though of course we'll never complain about an opportunity

to spend time with Josh Gad I never want to my life never want to not now not ever um the

us and so is this like context of why Simon's power set and of course there's personal history for him in this respect but in terms of his desire to be an actor and to work in Hollywood and the industry so that was about you that was all kind of interesting but yeah I agree it's there was something about the um the slowing of the momentum of the primary narrative at that point in the season

“that well I think it was um not the high point but uh overall in terms of what it reinforced”

about the fear of people discovering this thing about him that was useful it's just a great season of TV overall and I really hope that we get to be back with these characters soon I'm worried but uh it would be great I mean like there there are certain marble misfires or I'm like we can

just pretend that never happen and then I just hope that that doesn't happen here um but we'll see

um all right last one at least in this snowbag we get a uh oh actually two things really quickly uh I forgot to mention on the mora on Trader's beat I would just say for some reason I think she has thinner hair than she wants to have I don't know with the full answer is there um but she wore wigs in almost every single uh uh scene and I got a lot of emails about that from the wig watchers out there the junior wig watchers out there were just sort of like what's going

“with more is hair and I agree like there's certain she's wearing like a long thick wig with like”

her real hair were sort of like poking up up I mean like she's so beautiful some of the wig deployments for like quite confusing but anyway that's that and then also in the book fret we got a lot of

questions for people asking if we're gonna do like a formal house of our book club or anything like that

and I would just say we've got some plans and it works for some like social media stuff where you might see more book centric um content from us so like we are planning to sort of feed this like people like hey tell me what to read next like I am I am planning to do some more of that stuff uh this year coming up soon but no formal plans but it's kind of like I just wanted to tease it okay last question from Lauren which is a personal question for us uh Joannas moving to LA

I'm back at the bay right now but I will be moving to LA currently looking for housing not as easy as one would hope Joannas moving to LA what makes you most excited about living in the same city any fun things you're looking for to sharing in each other's presence that might feel easier now I'll even oh my god why are you most excited that I'm moving to LA is this where do you even begin I mean obviously the most basic thing is just being able to make the podcast the other in person

record together in person it's always so wonderful we get to look at gaze into each other's eyes

with no screen between us you know just the sometimes two warm temperature and very intense lights between us but no screen but I used to reach out and hold your hand the ability to moment for your hand if I drop my chapsic on a bathroom floor you're like I got you know worries um you just use social media plans two years ago reference this is just always top of mind for me as a really traumatic experience that you pulled me out of um yeah just getting

to gaze into each other's eyes as we make and we make a pod and you know embark on our social media pursuits together in person what a treat obviously we got to do this last week we can have to go what is time can't remember um we're gonna get to go to screen together we're gonna actually get to see more of the things that we're gonna talk about together and person we're gonna get to hang out with the midnight boys big pick and see these movies together that's

fucking fun love that uh we're gonna get to bookstores together just because we want to I mean I can't wait can't wait to just like pop into skylight together or Chivaly A together we're near that because we're our new studio is near Largemont so that maybe we'll go over there are you a last last bookstore head you know they um obviously fabled down town location they've opened uh an additional location in studio city that is fascinating it's just this gorgeous space

and it's beautiful we'll go there we'll go to all sorts we'll explore every other bookstore together

“I think and then it's really exciting we're gonna hang out with our friends and each other and we're”

gonna uh we're gonna drink out alcohol together I um I did go to Chivaly A couple times looking for a specific books that they did not have but mics but A they did the the great thing that a bookstore should do which is like the offer to special order for me thank you so much and then be uh it was just like such a lovely store and a lovely lovely shop it's like a very cute like sort of small space but it's like very very cute um I love skylight um and uh I have been to this

studio city location of uh last bookshop so that's very exciting um yes martini monday is something that you and I had talked about I I have started my like I'm my project that I started this year

media and I got a lot of suggestions for people and I've started I went to like black cat uh with our pal cat Ren fro um I went to the Benjamin with a friend of the pod uh Kristen noir and so like I um um I'm searching around I sent you a photo from the Benjamin of the of the martini so we got there it was like triple olives with the side jars of like that so it folks have suggested

us for dirty martini but Malay loves a dirty martini I love a dirty martini or you would never

had one never had something yeah I have a deep and a biting glove for olives and savory beverages and have never my life for reasons that kind of allude me had a martini except to take one sip of yours as we watch yeah what's it called fair so I would just go beat uh rapidly disassembled in front of our eyes and come and so I'm excited to uh we were in our restaurant we should say it was just like drinking and dirty martini on the street watching a fair spill get dismantled um we were

“in a like a steakhouse um yeah mother wolf also incredible dirty martini also I saw I believe”

I saw a bad baby there he was like said hi to me on my way out so shout out to him if he's listening but yeah incredible pasta but like one of the one of these surprise best dirty martinis I've ever had so yeah so I have a whole list of holy spreadsheet that I'm working on but if anyone has any suggestions of where should go for a stealth excellent dirty martini let me know and um I've been to move so in Frank I went there years ago so I've got that one checked out the list um what are you

about being a Los Angeles tell us seeing I think seeing movies together like getting to go to

a screening so view is always really fun um seeing me like absolute astonishing orders that you put

in at the concession stand and just sort of like marbling at at your whole vibe with the movie theater um and not just the opportunity to see new movies together but like you know I I got the opportunity to you know a couple months that I was there this year to like go to a bunch of rap screenings that

“was really really fun stuff for me so um and I think I mentioned this to you I might have mentioned”

on the pot I can't remember but like you know going to go into random like going to randomly and of an afternoon to see like send help or pillion or whatever else it was that I went to go see and like or know or the choice and like the theaters were all just full like you've mentioned this to me before when we talked about getting tickets for a movie and you're like you can't get a ticket and I'm like that's because you live in LA baby that's not true around the country and so like

oftentimes here even in the Bay Area which is like quite a movie-friendly place like when I go to a movie in a random time or whatever like the theaters are often empty which is quite disparaging but I love seeing a movie in a full theater and so in LA my experience was no I don't when I went or where I went whether it was like a perfect AMC not that one but they want across the street or at the Grove or wherever the case may be like the theaters are full

and thriving so that's just like that's really exciting yeah I remember telling you this at the at the time but one of my favorite recent examples of that in LA was going to see flow and not a seat yeah it was empty full fucking half for flow for flow you know for flow so great movie I'm really excited about that that's like there's a there's a lot that I will miss about the Bay Area where I've lived my entire life on off but mostly my entire life

but there's a lot to love about Los Angeles and I love you and I love our new studio and I'm

“really excited to be there to make great content with you I think that's what Bill said to me”

after I come down to make great content episode sounds right I've filled an episode with him at the beginning of the year and he's just like selling ours like oh for almost like let's make some great content together it's like okay Bill so let's all make some great content together here at the ringer what a great what a great company we work for um that's it that's all I have to say anything else you want to mention um little bit younger otherwise no I love you a lot we're uh we're all

of you a lot that's so excited to have you down here and uh well we're some murder cloaks together we'll take some pictures for Instagram it's going to be fantastic uh you're working on sword content that's right Instagram I'm working on a book content for Instagram um um yeah I'll also do some book content will you do some sword content that's really the question you know a great question um will you because you're there in the studio and my adults and them tell me

who we should think today for their work on this podcast yes as always Carlos Jeroboga and our

Junaram Gopal who are here with us and are killing it once again CT is here to help us I mean yeah we have just an incredible time with CT last week doing like 19 hours of podcast some of our

rat lifts here jacks here Kevin's here whole crew is here and uh as always of course for for social

“thank you to Joomi uh what a team effort it has been to get our new studio up and running and uh”

I mean I saw Bill walk by I don't know if he helps with this podcast but he's here so thanks Ben

in his way in his way he did uh all right so thank you to everyone we'll be back with a not

“some mysterious but potentially mysterious episode later this week and a lot more fun to come”

this is like so our year like produtil Mary we're thriving we're so excited for uh you know

vampire list at house the dragon season uh three what season we're on um rings of power allegedly

“is coming at the end of the year like there's just a lot due in the out-of-the-fame episode finally”

still the Odyssey Spider-Man Spider-Man wonderful what more could you ask where all right we'll see you soon bye