Carlos King Brings It!

- Hi, I'm Cynthia. - I'm Crystal, this is Humble Brack. Humble Brack. - Humble Brack. - Oh, I have tea.

- Once a housewife? - Always a housewife.

“- Can we say that again for the people in the back?”

- Humble Brack. - Humble Brack. - Brack with us. - Carlos King, welcome to Humble Brack.

- Yay, finally, how long have we been trying to do this?

- At least a year and a half and it's funny because you and a crystal were on my podcast. - That was like, you're in a hospital. - Probably about a year and a half ago. - Yeah, and we've been trying since then.

- Yeah, somebody's been busy, honey. - Somebody is you bitch, you are a full-time friend. I don't know full-time friends, um, existed. You asked her past Marla Hafton record.

(laughing) - Well, you know, Marla was a good friend, honey. - Oh, bitch. - She was a good friend. - And maybe Marla was really nice.

- And then we'll go down in the history. - And the best friend of who has ever done it. - I agree. - Yes.

- I agree. - But be sure second. - Well, you know what? It's a full circle moment, you know,

as the creator of the friend contract, honey, here I am.

(laughing) And we can go back to that because you were my showrunner. - Mm-hmm. - My season for all of the Humble Brackers who may not completely stalk me,

I started the house by Zipathlan, I was season three with Mr. Carlos King. - Mm-hmm. - And I mean, I'm glad you were my showrunner. And I don't know if I would be sitting here

as I have like, for all these years. - We had no time.

“- Had no honestly you were so instrumental”

and really given us guidance, shuttin' us down what you needed to lippin' us up 'cause it was out, like you really were invested and all of us really making it, you know, to the top of the housewife.

- And we did it. - And we did it. We had our tenure together. - I wanna say the rear housewife of a land to start it to become the number one showrunner.

Bravo. I wanna sit around season three or four. - That was so unfaithful, I can't hear you. (laughing) (laughing)

- That was probably about right. You know, so you know, hey, that happened. And we, all of us collectively, the girls, and myself, and if you have the producers, we just, we marveled at the fact that there's all black ensemble show

'cause you know, Kim Zoziak left abruptly, top of season five, and it became all black ensemble show. And we were just happy to have that title and baby, we did our best to keep it. (laughing)

- You know, okay, I'm gonna take you back to Frank Country. - Okay. - Because I remember actually, I like it's funny now, but that was like a very difficult time for me.

- It was. - The whole reason why you've been wrote the Frank Country. - That contract was for our girl, Neenie Leaks. - Mm-hmm.

“- And I just remember feeling so, you gotta remember,”

this is my first season. I kinda don't know what's happening, you know, I'm getting the energies kind of mixed with some of the ladies. I came in with Neenie.

- Yes. - Okay.

So to me, I'm like, this is my first season.

I'm like, okay, they got me with Neenie, this is who I'm gonna be with. This is who I'm gonna ride with. What ended up happening is, I didn't really build any relationships

with Neenie or the other ladies first season. - Correct. - To be honest. - You did. - So I was like, it was like, this is all I got.

- Yes. - This is all I got right here. So with that said, when I didn't get to film with her, when I was separated from her, I was like, what's going on?

We like, what's happening? Because I didn't understand how the show worked. And I remember, I can't remember what it was, but I feel like it may have actually been a scene at Kim's house, but that was something happened

where I felt like there was a shift in the energy. And I was like, it was Kim's house. - Yeah. - How do you remember all this stuff with all the shows you have?

- I, 'cause it was like, honey, it was Kim's house. - And I remember feeling a little confused before I left to go do the scene. I didn't even really want to go do the scene because I was like, I haven't heard from Neenie today,

like something's weird or something falls off, whatever, whatever. And I was like, you know what, I'm gonna just make this really funny. I wanna talk to her,

but I wanna make it like fun. So I sat down at the little town house we used to have and wrote out the friend contract. At the, oh, she's gonna laugh her ass off. This is gonna, everybody's gonna think it's so funny.

(mumbles) Fast forward to, I pull it out. And it literally becomes like, I'm all of a sudden single, like, stalker female. - Yeah.

- You have sex with her. - Yeah. - And I remember showing, like, I remember pulling it out. And I just remember you coming up to me at some point. - Yeah.

- Do you remember you saying? - You showed it to me and you said, hey, I wanna show this to Neenie. I said, what is it? You know, I think it's cute, but what do you think?

I said, oh bitch. (laughs)

“I don't remember saying to you literally, oh bitch.”

- You did. - This is about to be iconic. And you said it is, I said, show this to her, please. And you showed it to her, thinking it was gonna be funny.

- Yes. - The reaction between Neenie, Kim, and Sharay were like, this is weird as she's weird. (laughs) - Exactly.

The opposite of the reaction that I actually wanted to get. So, but you, like, lit up. I remember you had a sparkling your eye. You're like, ooh. - Yeah.

- Miss Bailey, let me not rule her out. - No! (laughs)

I remember, and I don't know you never talked about this.

- I remember when the production company back then was called Intertaim, it's not our truly original. - Correct. - Lauren Escalay, hey Lauren, let's all go ahead. - We love you.

- Lauren Escalay was like, you know, Lauren Escalay's very soft spoken. - Yes. - So, we have a new house. Why?

Cynthia Bailey, you know, supermodel, obviously. I said, okay, she was like, she has a nice name Peter, he's very colorful. - But we, the network loves her. Like, Lauren was like, the network loves Cynthia Bailey

and Lauren knew that I had this relationship with the cast to where I could bring the best out of them. And it was a mandate to make sure that you pop. That you pop, like, the never-- - I didn't know that.

We've never had this. - We never had a conversation. - The network was behind you and they said, what an amazing get she's a living in New York City and she's world traveled it at the time.

Topmodel was like, one of the biggest shows on television. - Yes. - So for us to have a model of your caliber, the network felt that she is bringing class elegance this morning.

(laughing) And then, you know, the whole thing with Boris Kojo and the color of your park are like, I don't think you understand that. Although you felt that you were easily replaceable

because you never, at least the first season,

you felt like I could lose my job at any time. - For sure. - And I think because we now understand the modeling industry where it's like, Rachel and his glitch will last photo.

- Correct. - I now understand why you felt replaceable, but I wanted you to know today that all bets were on you and the network was behind you. - I did not know that.

- Yeah, think about it. That's why they gave you meaning. - Arguably the star of the show. - Yes. Think about it.

- They gave you meaning, and they told Nini me with her. - She did. We went to Papados and she was with her girlfriend Diana. - You're Diana? - Of course.

- Of course. - Of course. - No, no, no, no, no, no, no. (laughing) - I go ahead up, but you were somebody

that the network felt that, wow. We got Cynthia Denise Bailey. - You had to know my full government. (laughing) - Well, okay, you know what?

- I didn't know that. - I didn't ever knew that. - Okay.

“- What's interesting is, I remember when we started,”

I was hearing, you know, about Fager parts, who hadn't even met yet. They were like, well, we like, you know, Fager parts, and I was seeing things in the blogs about Fager parts and new house.

No, there was nothing in the blogs about me. I just moved to Atlanta, maybe like three months before.

And I remember them, they were just, they just never said,

like, hey, you're gonna be a housewife. It was like, hey, yeah, we're really interested. And we have you and Fagera, and we want another housewife, but we also want a friend. And you guys are very different.

You have two different stories. And we'll just like, whoever has the strongest story will be the housewife and the other one will be the friend. Well, I didn't even know what story meant. But clearly, I just came with a whole story

because I was married to a whole story. (laughing) 'Cause he realized what it was. He was activated and ready to go in. - And not to discount your mom and your sister.

- Yes. - So, you, you, you, - And no, well, did her thing, too. - Oh, no, I mean, love, I think-- - Don't make what you know well. - Of this beautiful young girl

who was attending this special academy. - Yeah, the one in Clarker Academy. - Yeah, so like you had all the makings of it, but my mandate was the never gets bedding on her. So make sure she popped.

“- Okay, you know what, see, this is why it's important for us.”

It's so helpful for you guys that are watching to understand the wizards behind the curtain because for us, for talent, we only know what we know, especially your first season. - Yeah. - And I was like, oh my God.

Like, I knew that once I started doing a little research, I was like, okay, so Nini is the breakout star, the show clearly. She just was like, you know, this huge personality. And to be very honest, when I met with her,

I mean, she's just like, you know, she walks in the room and it's like, Nini links and I was just like, a mouse, like, "Hi, you see me?" She was from New York, I've been here for three months. And she was like, "Oh my God, I just got by from LA."

Like, she was like in her moment when I got on the show.

- Absolutely. - So that was like a lot. So I was like, so interested in hearing about her life. I don't even think I said anything about my own life, child, to be honest, when she met with me.

So I can't guarantee she was that impressed. But, you know, there I still... - And she backed you, she backed you because obviously... - I made it through it. - With all due respect. Obviously, if Nini leaks was like, "Oh my, I'm not feeling her."

- We don't know what your fate would have been. - So that's true. - Nini was like, "I like her." And then I remember Nini asked me like, "Fill with her and tell me what you think about her."

- Okay. - So I never knew this. - Yeah, I remember like, "Libin' over what you think." And I said, "Okay." So again, it was a lot riding on you.

- Okay, well, I've received that. I honestly did not know that. All right, back to you. - Okay. - So Carlos G.

- All right. - I wanna know, hello, hello. - I'm so excited to sit down and talk with you. - And you're good at Epis. - You're a good host.

- Oh my God, thank you.

Well, this is my first time hosting the podcast without Chris.

- You doing a good job. Hey, Chris, though. - Chris. - I know, and I'm a good job. - I know, I miss my girl.

She might sledding her later on. She has to come back. We have to read some some of her ads. - Okay. - Get that money, bitch.

- Okay. So you may see her at some point in the break. We're gonna go to dinner after. - Okay.

“- So I think one of the things that I wanna ask you,”

let's just talk about, you know, I'm so interested in where reality TV is going in the whole housewife of their home. I recently, we found out yesterday, I think it was yesterday, I don't know what it's gonna,

what day it's gonna be about a time. You guys see this that they put Miami on pause or I don't know the cancel it child that they put it on pause. - It's officially on pause.

- Okay. Which means it ain't gonna make on until late side. It's coming by go. - Pretty much. That is not, when something's on pause,

what that messaging means is, you're not gonna see this within a year or two. - Okay. - If it doesn't sign to bring it back. - That's a very lead.

- Okay. - And we're seeing that with New Jersey. - Yes. What are your thoughts on Miami? And what do you think they put it on pause?

- You know what I'm so interested in. I love Miami. - I did too. - That cast is so strong. - I agree.

They're funny and what I love about them are two things. They're really friends and they really get into it. And most importantly, they make up. - Yes.

- You know, it doesn't linger on for too long and I am surprised that the audience at large has been taking a huge liking to it. When I say a liking to it, I mean in terms of tuning in.

“Unfortunately, and let's have a real conversation, right?”

- Yeah, let's talk. - This is a business. The real house, why some Miami's viewership is not strong. - Okay. - It just isn't.

- Okay. - Okay. Why I'll be honest with you, as the king of his genre, I don't even know why people aren't watching in drills, is they will produce show the women are interesting and funny.

I personally love the show. - And they have strong friends as well. - Yeah. - They're strong. - They're strong.

- Yeah. The list goes on and on in terms of the caliber cast that show provides. Unfortunately, the audience isn't watching it. The audience is not watching it.

The way they're watching Salt Lake City, O.C., Atlanta, Potomac. Even Jersey, Jersey was put on pause for talent, reasons. - You know, Melissa and Teresa, can you get this?

- I'm gonna get the Jersey thing. - Yeah, I guess that's more family. - Yeah.

- It was never about the ratings mistake,

'cause the ratings were super duper high, right? It's unfortunate when it comes to Miami. Now, with that being said, the real housewives of New York City reboot, the rating, art, does as low, if not lower.

I've been very honest about that show. That show is not good. It's not a good show. - What do you think is missing? Why do you think it's not a good show?

“- Listen, I think it's one thing to have people”

who are accomplished on paper. It doesn't translate in terms of watching entertainment. You know, I look at someone like E-Moth, right? There's regol, accomplished, extremely gorgeous, world-traveled woman, who is just everything.

I, that's somebody who you know on a personal level. - Yes, yes. - Who E-Moth cares herself to be, if you cast her on a reality show, she'll just be like, why?

Why go here, and as they may be full to watch, but it may not translate. You want somebody who's going to like be honest and truthful in terms of what they have going on. And when it comes to that particular cast,

the saddest thing is they're not stars. They're just not, and that's no shade to the girls. - Yeah, yeah. - They're not stars, right? And they hide their reality.

the reason I'm able to say this show is boring

“and not good, 'cause I'll actually watch it”

before I delete it off my DVR. - Oh, okay, continue. - Okay. - There were storyline simply of Denise Bailey where cast members pranked.

I'm gonna lie and say this is happening, although it's not. And us, the audience wasn't in on it. It's one thing, if you and Mimi say, we're gonna prank Kimzoziac and do XYZ

and the audience like, yeah, bitch, let's see how that goes, right? - It's one thing for Kimzoziac, I'm honoring Mimi at a masquerade ball, and Mimi has no idea what she's been honored.

- Right. - And on that, to watch it, all implodes. (laughing) I see some sense. - You know what I mean?

- Oh my God, why did I have to see a clip with that somewhere?

I was like, it's amazing when you're playing with this.

- To me, like years ago, it was real. - It was. - New York City reboot is not interesting because the ladies aren't being real. You had secret conversations

that they just didn't want to talk about. And I'm sorry, the was ruining reality television is women and men and days are joining the show only to get famous. And that's fine, I'm at it.

I want you to have the fame, the money, and everything. - Yeah, but you still gotta show up. - You gotta show up and tell us like what's really happening. And that's not happening when New York, New York City

is bad, it's not good, it's not good. You know, you could say what you want about Orlando, the good old days and I get it. Right, however, those women still show up and give you their reality for you guys

to judge it, dissect it, and make means off of it. And with Miami, I do feel bad for those ladies because of girl. We're on high gate as we're eight years. - Yeah, was it eight years?

- Eight years, they're last.

“That's why you have Carlos King Hanamah's story.”

They're last episode, air in 2013. - Okay. - And their rebooted's year was 2021. So you know Maris Hall personally? - I do.

- Imagine being on pause for eight years. And then you're back on for a couple more seasons and then to stay, but you're back on pause. - Yeah. - It's devastating.

I feel a baffledal's girl. - Okay, so you are a very well sought after producer, you are who you are. We know that you know how to make, make it work. Do you feel like Miami is sayable like

if Carlos King, Lou got on Delta honey

and flew for first class to Miami honey?

- I noticed you. - What airport do you like to land in? - For a lot of now, I'm Miami international. - Okay, that's it. - This is, I'm like Miami international

because I like to lie for a lot of now. - Yeah, I'm a good girl. I like Miami international, only because I'm quickly able to get what I need to get. - Okay.

- However, yes. - Well, a lot of the airport is the best. - It's always empty. - It is. - It's the best.

- It's quick in and out. - It is in the flexor cheaper. - Yeah. - They are. - We love to say McCoy.

(laughing) - Okay, now. - What would you do if you flew to Miami to take over that show? Did you make it from us with you?

- They don't need fixing. - And that's why if-- - I was thinking the same thing. - You know what I mean? Like, I can tell you what I'll do flying into La Guadilla.

(laughing) To fix, Rooney reboot, that shit's so damn bad. But when it comes to Miami, I don't have any notes. I really don't, I think. I really hope it's not because it's all that Tina can.

- You know what I mean? That the audience is in tune.

And I, the storylines are amazing.

The girls are entertaining. The producing is well. They have the ritualized style. Larson Pippin' is every fucking thing. You know what I mean?

So it's a Lexia, Lexia to me is the face of the show. And she wears that with a badge of honor. - She does. - I felt sad for Alexia. When there wasn't a Miami Housewife to represent

the ultimate girls' road trip. - Yeah. - I felt bad that Miami wasn't included.

“And I think that's when I realized, oh, y'all are danger.”

- Ooh, that was a clue. - That was my, I will say for me speaking for somebody in the business. - Yeah. - I said, oh bitch, y'all are doing.

- You include Miami, Alexia is Miami Housewives. And that's no shade Tina, but they're all great. - No, no, for sure. - Alexia's the face of that show. - She works hard to make sure that show was great.

- She now rumors on the street. - We're gonna talk about that. - Let's talk about it. What's the street saying?

is because honey, you know, Alexia's husband taught he did stupid network.

“Now it was thrown out, but, you know, allegedly,”

we don't know if they together still or not. We don't know. So there are rumors on Alexia and Todd are back together. We don't know if that's true. We don't know, but the word on the street

is that could be a reason. The other word on the street is casting. - What did he say to me back? What did he say to me back? What did he say to me back again?

- You know, so it's the last season. Todd was an on and they did a lot of talking about Todd. - Okay. - Right? - And there were some things that they said about Todd

that he felt was disparaging. - Got it. - And I'll leave it at that. - Okay, all right, all right. Well, you answer.

What should thank you very much. - And you know, I do agree. I just was surprised that they put on calls because I actually think that that's a cast that works.

And it's so funny because I always think

when I think about reality shows that as long as you have a strong cast that is actually going to work.

“Because I know how important casting is.”

And I mean, in that case, I guess this is not good, so. - No, it's not, though. - When you look at Atlanta today, but you haven't seen season 17, yet are you excited about season 17?

- Of course. This is, you know, so funny. Our mutual fair Claudia Jordan. - Yes. - And Dustin Ross.

- Of course. - Yeah, as you know, I have a show called Mud and I Live. - I tune in. - We recap it. Potomac just wrapped in kudos to Lorraine.

- Yes. - Hawthorne, we all the Westbrook, E.J. the in Lauren Eskaline. - Yes. - It's truly original and I can't.

- Yes, shout out to Lorraine. - So what a great season they had. So they wrapped in Atlanta's coming back April 6th on Easter. I thought it was April 4th. - Child, what is Easter?

- When is Atlanta coming back? - Yeah, is April 6th on 4th. We were both wrong. April 5th. - Oh, okay. - I think it's better than last season

because last season ended up kind of starting on kind of a dark note. - And you know why? - So it kind of was like once that happened,

it just, I feel like we never kind of recovered

because we lost one of my main players and I just all kind of fell apart in terms of that and I feel like we never really recovered. - I agree. - Well, thank you.

I'm really interested in this question. What is the secret sauce? Because I know that you know the recipe for the secret sauce. Is it bringing back all the OGs?

Start a whole new cast? Half and half, what is it that makes it work? Because I feel like one of the things about season 17 is we have a little bit, I feel like we might have the right amount of old

with the new. But I don't even know that doesn't even matter at this point because going back to casting, I can't figure out what actually is the secret sauce. - Yeah, look, it's what you and I said earlier casting.

Like number one, a show lives a dies by cast. It just does. - Yeah. - When it comes to Atlanta, I definitely think it's a mix of old and new.

You know what I mean? Like I would pay top dollar to see you like Mimi and Porsche and Kenya, Shiree, play with the girls. But I would also love to see came and show them that mix.

You know, drew that mix. You know, Kelly and Shimea. So I definitely think it's a mixture of both.

“And look, I think when it comes to Atlanta,”

one of the things that that show does extremely well

is always this high octane fire storm of shade and read

and there's not one cast on Bravo who does it better than the Atlanta girlies. Second would be merit to medicine cast because those girls are amazing too. It's just as energy is to spark in Atlanta has that.

But I think at the end of the day if you, you're asking me like what is that recipe, I think it all starts with casting. You gotta get the cast right? And we both real friendship. I was talking to her friend of mine recently

and I was saying to them 'cause they're starting a new season of a show. And the beauty of my friendship, they ask me like, okay girl, what you think? You know like, it's the beauty of being friends

with me like, what do you think? And I said to this person, I wanna see real stories. The shade all that stuff is good, but we love. It doesn't work without the real story. We love, listen, we love, no shade.

Last season, despite the darkness, we marveled at Chimea versus Porsche. They've been friends since they were 14. That's right. And we were like, wait, that was happy?

Unfortunately for them as sisters, right? But they signed up to the reality show

“and I think for the audience, we were all like,”

now this is real stakes. Exactly. You know, when you and meaning with the yaw situation, you and Kenya with the yaw situation, we weren't here for the real stakes.

I think the problem is the reality girlies,

they're not friends. They only show up in this kind of film and we see that. So I'm looking forward to seeing how Kamea Shon, Picky Cole, work in the mix with you ladies.

But I'm hearing great things about season 17. I feel like you're gonna be in for a treat. I really do. And I know, you know, we always say, oh, it's gonna be a great season.

It's gonna be a great season. I really feel like if I was actually a part of it and I was shocked to work in clock in and be like, now wait, what's happening? What's going on?

Then you guys are definitely in for a ride. Mm-hmm. I'm gonna go somewhere else with the conversation now. So you have been in this reality TV space for a long time. 18 years, starting next 18 years.

Next month, no, May, May will be 18 years. No one was eight when we started housewives. Oh, guys. So 2008 is when we started housewives. Okay.

I started housewives season one. Yes, 2008. Yes. Season three. I did.

I feel like you have almost, well, you're like behind the scenes, but you're also talent. You're a celebrity as well. How does that feel? And would you ever mysteryality

with the king do a reality show? No. Wait, wait, that was a hard no.

No, you would never do a reality show.

Absolutely not. No, no, no, no, look what I do trainers. I was getting rid of stress. Oh, yes. Okay.

You'll be good on trainers, bitch. You'll be good on trainers, bitch. Who do you want to be a trainer on a faithful? A trainer. I think that's more fun.

“What do you want to go in as a trainer or become a trader?”

Like, you know, be picked as a trainer. I want, listen, I will love for Allen Cummings, the holes. We're all just sitting at the mountain where I close the moment. I feel this tap of my shoulder.

I would be like, bitch, God must have a lot of motivation to tame it and I'm about to give it to you. Like, I would be like Lisa Brenna and Candace responded to being traders like, yeah, no, for sure. I will do that top reality dancing with the stars, traders.

Okay, I'm upset. What about big brother? Celebrity big brother. I'll do that. I'll do that.

You were excellent. I was one. I was one. I was crazy. I'm a tadian.

Who got let go the first day child? I stayed to my word, honey. You said the availability would do that. Maybe. I was only a little bit of foreign.

I was only a little bit of foreign. Honey. Oh, that's my guy. I know I was mad that he betrayed you. I know, child.

No, but again, I want. He betrayed me and kept me in the house at the same time. He was a little bit. He was a little bit. He betrayed me.

And I didn't know just for the record. I had no idea. I was being betrayed. Betray. When I was in the house.

I was in the house. You know, every bitch. And I stayed on the block. Yes.

You know, Toddrick was the only one that season that was never on the block.

When he said he played us. Well, he did a good job. He was excellent at that one of the best for sure. I would do those type of shows. I won't do a doc you series where you follow my life and all of that stuff.

“And that's why I said it's on my podcast.”

And I think I told you this personally, listen, two things. Number one, being a reality star is difficult is the most courageous gig. One of the most courageous gigs is more courageous than being an actor. Because at least you get to hide from a character in a script. I do both.

I know. Okay. He starts the lifetime. And B. T. Yes, but you know, yes, I and to be and to be checked out. Yes, okay.

That's what I defend you reality stars a lot. Yes, I do. And I'm hard on y'all for a reason, too, but I defend as well. Number two, the reason why I give you props is because I love the fact that you said, I love being a friend because who I am right now in my life.

You can pay me to go through the pain of giving y'all my business. I don't think people understand how you giving someone your real life or consumption for judgment. And not only do you have to live with that shit during the moment you're filming. You could be over that motherfucker and then watch it along with the audience.

And you like, and then the audience judge you and then you hear what the girls are saying about you. Like, what are my favorite scenes ever in the history of housewives of Atlantis was working together was the sabana trip. Oh, my God.

That was such a horrible trip for me. It was the best. I said this publicly, too.

because it checked the boxes of everything you want as an audience. had emotion, it had comedy. I was very mad. It had drama. It had state comedy. You had this. It was fun. It was fun. It was fun. It was like, Monigmini. You know, I don't feel red. You had the comedy. You had me and y'all in the bass and can't probably die. They're running. It's a food. Cut the kid and you run to get food. Then I think, me and I got into it about Noah going on play day. So that was that way. That was the emotion. So then you have the emotion of you and me getting into it as friends.

“Yeah, my motherhood and you feeling judged and he needs like I was a judge and her we're going to talk in a mouth. And it was and to see Porsche and Kenya bond together over that with you. Yeah. That's why that trip is the best because”

because shows me that. That's why Beverly Hills this season is boring. Hey, semicircle, Geller. (laughs) Baby, Bobby, the vampire's slay that. She'd laid it out there, I actually saw that clip.

- I was saying, I really feel, how do you really feel? - Say the quiet part, allow it's boring. - It's true. - It's not a good season. - It's just no good.

- Okay, I know you are a huge fan of Beverly Hills. That was huge. - Huge. - Where I was my favorite housewife of all time. - I know. - But I haven't worked with. - Wow.

- I'm a better cop. - But you've met Calvary.

- I've never met Calvary. - You have never met Calvary.

- If I crazy, never. - Okay, can you get Calvary? Come over here to Humber. (laughs) - Just get on the phone right now, until like, I'm on over here. - I'm on my way to Humber. - I'm on my way to Humber. - Oh my God. - Oh, oh my God.

- We're no Carl, I'll do love Kyle. - Wow. - I appreciate your honesty with that. What is it about Kyle? Why is she? I just saw Kathy Hilton last night.

“We were at a thrift dinner together for Meta.”

- Talk about Humber, right? (laughs) - No, no, no, no, no. - I literally, it's so crazy, I have a photo app, but I mean, get posted yet, but anyway. - Oh, Meta, fact, I am actually going to cat these houses.

Tomorrow. - Can you see, people just texted me, she's having something wrong with me. (laughs) - I mean, am I in LA?

- Black women at Esen's Hollywood and Rick Harpett,

a TNZ, which is the hardest ticket to get in, and she casually met just, you know. - Oh, her, Kathy Hilton's people just texted me, honey, I'd be on her house on the right. - Yeah.

- I mean, I was actually to be completely honest, I didn't see if I could actually, if I had time to go, and that is not even any shade. Like, I'm serious, you know, I don't live here, so I have to really get it in my schedule as tight,

but, okay, I'm gonna squeeze it in. - Oh, are you? (laughs)

“- Okay, squeeze it in. - You did, you did.”

- You did, you did. - You did, you did. - That's right, that's right. - Ah, not plus one. Well, now I did, Chris, let me tell you about it, and then that's, Kathy last night, and she was like, are you coming?

- So you're no longer crystal plus one, so thank you, guys.

- It was actually invited by Ms. Kathy herself.

Who was my Pisces sister? She just had it celebrated a birthday, and she is wonderful. - Yeah. - What's happening with Beverly Hills? - Nothing's happening, that's a problem.

- Okay, and nothing's happening. - So, break it down for me. - Okay. - Okay, let's address the main big thing that seems to be one of the issues,

which I'm a little bit 50/50 on to be honest. What do you think about a man? (laughs) (upbeat music) (laughs)

- I fucking love you. Did you start reading it yet? Oh my goodness. - Okay. - I'm gonna order the fucking cameras to get this shit.

- Listen. - Don't play me, me. - Rich is fun. - That's all I'm gonna do for you, sir. - They're just letting you mad at me.

- Oh my God! - You're like, is this shit even about this shit? - Oh my goodness. I wasn't ready. I wasn't ready.

- Oh, they probably give you a show. You know that. - Okay, break down Amanda because I have my own thoughts on her and I feel like I'll just say this and I'll let you finish. - Okay.

- I'm conflicted. I'm conflicted because I feel like maybe she's not right for this group of ladies, but I find her to be somewhat entertaining because she annoys them so bad. Like, there is something about her bothering them,

but I have a list for her to have. - And to your point, it's nothing else really going on, so it's got like, well, where's Amanda? - So I need Amanda to contact Dr. Terry DeBro. Because she needs back surgery.

Without Amanda, throw this show in the trash can, along with the others on Sesame Street. - Do you know what I mean? - It's not crazy. - No, the thing is this,

this is coming from Carlos King. - Yeah. - So you know, I'm very hard on reality stars in terms of, 'cause I'm hard on knowing the potential that you have and you just don't deliver.

- Yes. - Okay, so I'll start macro, right? The reason why Kyle Richards is my favorite housewife.

- It's because she bled for this franchise of Beverly Hills

and she's such a good mama bear and she knows how to move story forward and she knows how to like, pick and prod to give reactions. And we saw what she was going through her sister's story. - That was her friend and all these things, right?

So that's why I love her. Now with that being said, I did publicly say,

“you know, I think Kyle is going through this transition”

in her life to where a lot is happening and she's trying to figure out the balance between being the face of Beverly Hills, 'cause she is the face of that show too. - No question.

- But also, figuring things out privately and I said back and I thought to myself, she is the longest running OG in terms of being on a show's consecutive least in season one. I think she needs a break.

And when I say a break, I don't mean like, - I agree. - Buy her, give it up her.

- I think Kyle has to deal with real life situations

without the cameras. - Yeah. - And I think she's deserving of that. - I think so too. - And I think a year off, maybe two max,

we'll do her some good to where she can come back and be the Kyle Richards that we all know and love. With that being said, Amanda Francis is polarizing. You want somebody on these shows you love or you hate. It's you want that, you want that.

And I bought her book in 2023. - You did. - Yes. - I bought her book three years ago. - How did you hear about her three years ago?

- So I'm big on manifestation. So I'm big on that. - It's on another reason why I actually like, I gotta, I grew with her. - I gotta get it.

- I get it. - I bought her book three years ago, Richest Fuck. And I'm just big on like manifestation and I'm spiritual, sympathy. - And it's working by the way.

- Thank you. - Thank you. - Thank you. - I don't leave me. - I'll go to God.

- I'll go to God. - And you know, I'm spiritual. - Yes. - If you really want me to be this beautiful Bible that I still have from my birthday,

“oh baby, I can't remember because it's in my cabinet,”

in my living room and I take it out of course, read it. - Yes. - So I'm big on spirituality, manifestation, because manifestation is really the Bible. - Yes.

- It's just what it is. - I agree with you. They're bothered by her. And news for you, I interviewed her recently. - You did.

- Face the face. - What is it coming out? Because I have the time. - The time comes out of it will be out. - It will be out.

- Okay, I'm gonna be so clocked in. - Yes. - Because I actually find her really interesting. - She, so how did you find the interview? - Okay, so I posted on my Instagram story that

"Rain jobs, this is a man that presses." I kept thinking like, I know her from somewhere and then I realized, "Rain jobs, I bought her book." And I posted her book and I said, "Yeah, she's the real deal." She saw it and DM me and said, "You bought my book."

And I said, "Yeah, bitch." And she said, "Did you read it?" I said, "Yes, I bought a book. I'm gonna read it."

Long story short, I always taken opportunity

that I see and I said, "Would you ever come on my podcast?" She said, "You're absolutely because you get me 'cause you read my book." Long story short, she was on my podcast. And when I say to you, and I'm, of course, telling you

and the world for the first time because I haven't dropped a yet, what I will say is, I know why they're bothered by her. - Why? - Me being around her face to face,

she has these piercing blue eyes. - It was a face to face, it was a person in her eyes. - I don't do zoom.

“- Oh, I think it's because you're the guy who's right there.”

These are your big one-on-one that you do, I did it with Beyonce's dad, and all the critics. - You came out to LA, she did it, Atlanta. - I came out to see her. - Did she go to her home?

- I did she come to see me. - Not really in the studio, but Kyle's old home. - I wasn't fighting, and I will be there, but I'm back. - Oh, okay. - She could not have been more darling, but

being around her, I'm looking at her like this. And I said, "Oh, bitch, I get it." She's pretty. She has these piercing blue eyes. The way she talks at her madam resums,

I know that these girls look at her like, "Who are you? What are you? I don't get it. I don't get any of this." And on top of that, let's be real.

And when I say this, I say the kindness. She's richer than a lot of them. And she's younger than all of them. She said this, she didn't marry into money, like a lot of them.

Her self-made, multi-millions, where she bought Kyle's house, and Kyle can tell you whether she's a fraud,

And it likes the Kyle's daughter. - That's a daughter. - Was the realtor.

“So when you're buying a house that I magnitude,”

you know that there's being a home on it too. Baby, you gotta say bank transactions, proof of income. So she's clearly legit. And not only she buy it, she's been cashed renovating it.

Good bye. - So when I looked at her, I said, "Oh, I get it." They're bothered by you 'cause they don't get this manifestation. It's one thing if you marry into money,

they'll be like, "Okay, bitch, I get it." But because you're all these things, and you're not quiet about it, I find her to be super fascinating. And I love the fact that she got them work.

We had a great conversation in the podcast, where I asked her. I said, "Why do you think they treat you differently than Rachel's dough?" You're both newbie.

She said, "You don't get it?" I said, "No, bitch, I get it." I'm just trying to see if you get it. - You get it. - Right.

- She said, "She's Rachel's dough." That's true. They need her.

“They're not going to go against somebody”

who they need connections.

You know, Rachel's dough is first with Donna Karen.

Donna Karen came to the table saying, "Hey, bitch, Kyle Richard's gag is said." - No, Donna Karen. - Yeah, I mean, Rachel's dough to be honest could eventually be the face of Beverly Hills as well.

She represents what that show is and so many ways. - Yes. And that's-- - Or sad. - Rachel's dough has every opportunity

to become the face. - She checks all the boxes. - And that's why when it comes to Kyle, I won't call to step away now so that she's able to come back and reclaim her throne.

Because I do believe that Rachel's coming for you, Kyle. She's coming up with that center diamond. And you can clip that. (laughing) - All right, then it looks like we have an exclusive number.

(laughing) And he said, "What he said." - And I meant it. - Okay. (upbeat music)

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And honestly, that's worth bragging about. Game bridge, let your money work for you. Gamebridge.com, rates are subject to change. - Okay, I love this. - So, how do you think she did at the reunion?

I cannot wait to watch the reunion. And by the way, I saw a clip where Andy actually said, "He likes Amanda too, he definitely feels like she's entertaining." - He's a paining. - He's a paining. He gets it.

The biggest this. You, every producer, want somebody that shakes it up. - Yeah.

- It reminded me of when Sutton first came on.

Sutton was so interesting and she told Teddy to her face, "Oh God, you're pregnant." You know, like, Sutton was inappropriate in a way where it wasn't intentional, but it was sort of like, "Well girl, that's a relief."

But I appreciated it and I listened. I'm hard on Sutton because-- - Shut up to sit and I just saw her last night. It's a third squad, you see. - Tell us about how she thinks I'm a little like her,

but I like her, and I ran it to her last year at a rest of my, and we had a great conversation. - Okay. - 'Cause I made a public statement that would viral her, girl.

- I would remember. - Okay. - But that's not being real friends ever. - Yeah, I love you. But I'm hard on Sutton because she has so much potential.

- Yeah. - And I feel like Sutton this season is just not beer. Because she's afraid of how the audience is going through reactor her. The only ones who's talking in this season

is Dorit Amanda and Rachel, and that's it. And I love Erica, and I appreciate Erica's of vulnerability about, you know, speaking openly about her domestic violence situation and my heart goes out to her.

When it comes to Erica's dynamic with the girls, guys, I'm what you're saying when I'm watching on the show, Erica's not clocked in anymore. - I feel like the Billy Hills girl's just been on love it, but I want to not to keep asking you questions about it.

- No, I live, okay. - But the thing is this, hum a brag, but with... (group laughs)

- I'm ready for the first show.

- I know, with Carlos and Cynthia. (group laughs) - It's still a scene, it's a scene.

- I'm sitting here for you, thank you. - Yes, you know what it's like to be.

“Did you ever, and I'm pretty true you have?”

- And I am curious what season, where you set around the girls, and you said, not on antivist. - Yeah. - You know what I mean like? - Absolutely.

- Do you recall what season that was? - It was some of the later seasons before I left for sure. It was definitely, I don't remember exactly the seasons, but it was like, it was definitely not before season six, and probably after season seven or eight for sure.

Like when it started to kind of be like, okay, what are we doing? - Yeah, we all understand the assignment, but the love isn't there, and I feel like when I'm watching Billy Hills, I just see women who went through the motion.

- They're not invested. - Yeah, that's, I think that's the right word. It doesn't feel like they're invested. - I don't know, or. - Do you miss Lisa Renna, I'm Beverly Hills?

- Yes, because you know what's so unfortunate.

And I never said this publicly.

- Well, we have another exclusive from Carlos King. - What's unfortunate about Lisa Renna is,

“I do feel like you must protect your villains.”

And when I say villains, she's been open about being seen that way. Later, later years are problem Billy Hills. - Did you read her book? - I did not read it fully, but I have heard excerpts from it.

And I find her to be fascinating. I've had said things about Lisa Renna, on my podcast, like, "Girl, all you did is you tried it." But again, it's my opinion based on what I'm watching, but I never once said, "Fire Lisa Renna,

it was more or so like, okay, Lisa Renna, calm down a little bit. Like, there's one scene where she's like, "I want to take you down!" - And I was like... (laughing)

- This is not days of her lives. And bitch, you are not Billy. (laughing) - It was too overacting, but I felt like she just had to do something.

“I say all of that to say that woman gave us great television.”

And I did re-exerps and hurt excerpts from her audiobook, too. And I feel sad that she walked away from her experience.

I was feeling like I would never go back to that show

because I felt like they chose Kathy Hill to cover me. And that makes me sad. It makes me sad when I look at Kenya. You know, I know firsthand how much Kenya gave to that show. And I'm the first one to say she was wrong

for what she did to Breedee. I've said it to her personally, and I've said it publicly. - Okay, that was not right. When it comes to Kenya's legacy, I mourn

that would that be what she has now known for because she's so much more than that. - I agree. - Lisa Renna gave us great commentary because she pushed the envelope.

And she asked the right questions. You know, I'm a historian when it comes to this shit. So, her talking about, you know, you'll learn those line disease and be like, girl, is it or is it?

Look, chows in, okay, syndrome, like, you know, there's things and my heart bleeds for Lisa Renna. It really does. 'Cause I felt like she gave so much to that show.

And I just feel sad that she said she'll never come back

and when she revealed that in the dream room after the reunion, Tate, Erica Jane walks through her green room, crying, saying, you can never come back. And my heart goes out to her.

- You know, it's so hard to do reality TV. And this housewife's face is such a, it's not easy. What I will say is, thank you, God Lord Jesus, I never had to be a villain on the show

because even just being playing the role that I played, just being Cynthia on the show was a lot. - It's heavy to wonder, like you said, like you have your life, the social media change, the game, you stepped it on silly vlogs

and they would light us up, like it just is a lie to everybody to say for everyone. - Your mother, your relationship with your sister, my two marriages, my two divorces, it's a lot. So when you have the quote unquote villains on the show,

those are the women, like, if anybody deserves a good send off. - Okay, it's now because they do a lot of the heavy lifting because you know, you need that right balance

like your voice raises, but you need the villains as well.

“And my God, you know, to give and give the way that they do”

and is their choice, I mean, you know, when I signed up, they didn't say, hey, you wanna be, it was like being a traitor or a faithful,

like you never choice, I was like, I just mean you.

- You know what I'm saying? - That's the genius way of looking at it. - I never knew being a villain was an option because it never came up in my interview because it's just on my personality.

So when you go into that space and you're able to dominate it and that's just what you end up being, that's a lot to carry. - Yeah.

- That's a heavier load to carry than it is being the victim of the villain. (laughs) You know what? The villain, you know, did this to me, you know, today.

And, you know, for us on the flip side, the people that aren't the villains like for a Cynthia Bailey, like, I have to work twice as hard because number one, the villains don't get invited to everything

because they're falling out with everyone being the damn villain, right? - Yeah. - The voice reasons, Switzerland and all the things, well, I gotta be at everything, and I gotta clock it.

I gotta go, I'm running all around Atlanta. - Yeah. - 'Cause my blood isn't invited to every, (laughs) - Sharkoo to reward, every, whatever we're doing.

- Yes. - So it's such, I agree, and it does make me sad to watch anyone who has been in this space leave on a note that jeopardizes what they actually gave to the show, to be honest.

- Yes. - It is sad because we're putting it. - Yeah, 'cause you just want everybody to go, like you girl, you did it. We want to send everybody out in the blaze of glory.

- Hey, y'all, I appreciate it. Do you remember, you probably done because girl, you're still filming. I remember Season A, who were in Miami. - Okay.

- So, it wasn't Miami Fashion Week. - No, no, that's that was Season Three.

That was your first season.

Season A was gonna fail. - I had a lot of my first season. - Yeah, Season Two was everything. - I got married. - And Miami Fashion Week.

- Yeah, the runway was, yeah. - Oh my god, okay. - Yeah, I made it this first week. - I mean, you got into it on the bus. - Yeah, but we stayed in the house.

- That was the crazy house. - The crazy house. - That was the crazy season. Baby, we went back, you got married. - And that was the finale.

- Yes. - I had the finale, my first season. - Yeah. - Okay. - That's not like, you know what?

- No, Carlos. - I know you're a humble, but bitch.

“- No, but honestly, I think part of my survival”

being able to really do this for so long and compartmentalized certain things. I just forgot so much. And when I actually watched some of the old episodes, I'm like, I forgot that we went there.

Like, I have to do it, be in it, sit in it, live in it, watch social media, drag us, love us, whatever they're gonna do. - And I have to let it go. - Like, I have to almost like, I have to like release it.

- And I honestly forgot, like, until I watch, I'm watching like a normal person watching it. - I can't it. So I remember we were in Miami. This is the Kimfield season.

This is when the new girl Tanya slipped and fell her, her nephews. - Yes. - She did my Cynthia Bailey, I wear commercial. - Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

- Now it's just make a little messy, but okay. So I remember, long story short. So that's season, rain drops on humble braggers. That's season, what, include it. - But it includes your rage, say, because they tune in.

I'd be like, watch, it'd be like, - We love the rage, we love the rage, we love the rage. - Okay, well, well support. So that's season, rain drops included in Housewives, Cynthia, Porsche, Fadra, Candy, Kenya, Kimfield.

- She's right. - She's right, was there? - She's right. - And friends to the show was Tanya, and Shemia. - And Shemia on the trip.

- That's right. - So long story short, it was one night where nothing was happening. - Right. - And you know cast trips, yeah, with a lot of stuff.

“And I remember being like, what you're gonna do it?”

And I'll never forget this.

- I'm not gonna say what the girl it was 'cause God. - Okay, I don't say. - God forbid. - You don't want no smoke change. - Yeah, I'm on my bed.

- You know, you get just smoke on your head. - Yeah, sure, honey. - Y'all get so lost. - I say, we're bored. - They're like investigators, like when anything you say,

oh, we say they will figure it out. - Yeah, that's what they do. - Y'all take a guess. - Okay, they'll figure it out. - So the girls would like, call them or I said it is boring.

I said we'll talk about it too. - You can't get to the top, stop being. And I said, what? - Child, get kid y'all. Y'all, y'all don't kid y'all was that something crazy.

Child, get y'all. - Oh my God. - So I said that to stay. I know that there is women on these shows who rely on the villains to make great television.

- 1,000%. - Tamorja. - I was one of them. (laughing) - Tamorja.

- Tamorja. - I'm like, it was Kenya. O.C. - It's Tamorja. - Yes.

- Potomac. - It's Jazeal. - Yes.

- On Miami Housewives, is all of them. (laughing) That's true. - That was great. So, protect your villains.

- We need the villains. It doesn't work without them. - No. - It's boring. It's Billy Hills this season.

- Would you do house a villains? - No. - Do you consider somebody like-- - What is that? (laughing)

- You can't. - You can't. (laughing)

- I've never mentioned it to Tamorja, I think that's objective.

- Never mentioned it to Tamorja, I think that's a bitch. - I didn't even know what season it was. (laughing) - Potty and dance with the stars. - And big brother.

- Are you a dancer? - You know the figure, but you know the beauty of dance with the stars to me, 'cause I watch as a fan of producer, is the progression of seeing somebody not be the best dancer, but end up doing great 'cause you saw that they progressed.

- So, I know that you have rhythm. - I've got rhythm. - I know one, two, one, two. - But-- - So you're coachable. Like you can, you can learn, you can learn with team.

- Yeah, I would, I was three if I got the call. - Okay, well, I already know that you're not the best singer. I saw you singing something on your Instagram. - Okay.

“- I think the other day, who saw him was that you were?”

- Brandy, trying to sing. (screaming) (laughing) - Brandy Norwood. - We love Brandy, shout out to Brandy.

- The book of Ibo, if that's not me. - Don't quit your game. (laughing) Don't quit your day job. - I won't hurt me.

- I want to talk about you. - Oh, okay. - You have, I've seen this transformation of you.

First of all, like, you know,

you went from in a show runner to starting your own enterprise, basically you have, I can't even keep up with how many podcasts you have, you have all these different shows yourself. You're so very invested in the housewives that's what kind of kicked it off for you.

And I see you. You are over to a quietly. You might be rich at this moment. (laughing) But you, you, 'cause you look rich to me.

It feels like when you walked in, I felt the well, when you walked in. - No, no, it's all with you. - No, it's just true. I see the scan glowing, and I know it's not glowing,

“some of you need to get some of my good skincare honey,”

'cause I will help you go even more. - It should be baby. - But, like, I know that you are vegan. - Yes. - I know that you, you do not drink alcohol.

You are a different person than you was 10 years ago.

- 100%. - And I want to talk about that. - Okay. - What was the turning point for you, were you decided, I gotta clean some shit out?

- You know, oh, that's a very good question. No one has ever asked me that. So... - Ah, clip that. We have another exclusive comment.

- Yeah, no, no, no, no, no. - Oh, yes. You know what's so funny, Cynthia? Going back to spirituality, you know? I'm very spiritual, and Allah has happened to me personally

in the past 10 years that I haven't talked about, because, you know, I do a my personal shit privately, and I don't do up a public consumption because I... - So you are a private person.

- Oh, by far. - Okay.

“- I just, my personal life is extremely private.”

- Okay. - And I have everything else I don't give a shit about. - It's because I know you, I'm sure you have a little man, somewhere with one or two. (both laugh)

- And I have no idea who, yeah. - I know, and I know you, and I have no idea about your personal life. - Your personal life is in real life. - And I have no idea about your personal life.

- Yeah, no, I just, I keep things like that off-limits because I know having a hip-hop cast and being a public figure that a lot of shit gets through my way that I can handle that. Even when it's like wrong and messy and all this other shit,

I can handle that. I came handle, you talked about my man or what I do my personal life. I don't have a stomach for that. And that's why I don't choose to share it.

And I give all of the reality starts props for doing it 'cause it's not easy. But no, the thing with me is being spiritual, I had to make a lot of changes to me in order to grow this enterprise you talk about.

- Yeah, and recently I decided to not continue in a relationship I was in, and that was difficult for me. And I went through this whole transformation. And it has humbled me in a way where I knew that I had to get back to me.

And I do feel like there was a point where I lost myself in the process just like, you know, when the shit is good is good. - Oh yeah. - You know?

- Yeah, it's good. You just like, and then something happened and you sort of like, I need to send my ass down.

- Sit your ass down. - And I cut my hair off, paper it me. And I'm bald and I just decided to choose what makes me happy.

“- And being a producer and you of all people know this”

working with me for so many years, when I give my all to my show. - Yes, you do. - I am up late at night with you guys. I'll wake up in the morning with you guys

on the cast trips. You know, when we're wrapped, we ain't really back 'cause y'all calling me, and now I have a call for my life down. Now call them, "Tell me, me, this happy show."

So you know, I'm never off.

So I decided to not do that, and I decided to just do what makes me happy, and one thing I have said publicly is the podcast has saved me. I love it. Producing reality will always be a love of mine,

but the industry has changed, and it's not funny anymore. It's to be so fun. And I marvel at our time together, where we would cross each other out,

love on each other, be mad at each other, you know, celebrate each other, off camera, attending each other's birthday parties, I'm off season, and we never threw each other under the bus.

“- It was always so protected each other.”

- We protect each other. - We protect each other's stuff. - Yeah. - And not that we did it being crazy to be protected. - Yeah, it was just more so like, it's a family like, "Oh, this bitch had a bad day, I don't go for it like."

- Called as you met, I've never get season nine,

when y'all were like, "You bad at us?"

If we were crossing some bridge, and y'all are shaking the bridge, like Carlos talks to us, don't be bad at us. - That's like, "Oh my God." - I fall off his bridge, crazy.

Where shall we have that charge? - Yes. - Of course. - But we had fun. I feel like reality starts now.

- They're not in it for the love of the art. And I'm no longer interested in being used. You know, I'm a longer interested in trying my best to help people out, and they take advantage of it, and the moment they don't get their way,

they're blasting your social media and you're like, "That's not even true." But because I can't say anything, 'cause I'm the professional, and I have a boss who owns the network,

“- I can't say anything, but I'm really sorry.”

- Oh, you're sore. - Oh, you're sore. - I'm a brissel ofity. - I have no. - I have no.

- I have no. - So I say all of that to say to Cynthia, I don't drink, I don't smoke, I am a vegan. I'm outside, I'm the least single. I'm dating.

And it's fun. - Do you have peace? - I do. I really do. - Yeah.

- You know what's so funny? - I love that with everything that I'm doing, and thank you for recognizing that this boy is building an enterprise quietly, like all these shows that I'm doing.

- I need that boy. I mean, I'm not following you, honey. I'm here for the spiritual little stories on Sundays that you do, and I love that you've been consistent with that.

So I was like, okay, so I see, and that was something very, you seem to be very intentional with the way that you are moving. And a very fun, relax way, but it's consistent.

And it is very intense. - Thank you. And everything is like that. So I appreciate Bordeaux. - Like I love it.

- I can invite it to stuff and I just feel like, can I just be myself or do I have to be on? - You know what that feels like? - It's exhausting, being on over time. - Yeah, it's part of who we are.

- It's part of what we are. - And sometimes you just wanna go out and be which you're real for him. - It just look crazy. - It look crazy.

- And also have private conversations that no one's wanna bring up when they matter you. - Yeah, I wanna go back to the thing that you said about the podcast, how much you love it. It's so interesting that you say that

because with all of the jobs that I have, I have to say humble break, doing the podcast with Crystal is my favorite job by far. - And I'm not like, I was a little reluctant

when we first started the podcast,

because I'm not really, I have opinions, but I really, like from being in the spotlight myself so much, I just don't even wanna give them to me. - Because I'm so used to be wearing me out. - Yeah, I'm like...

- They don't they'll take it and make it something else. - Absolutely, like I actually thrive, I actually try to fly below the radar to be honest. You know what I mean? Like, I don't want it like be the person

who walks in and run with me. Like, oh my god, Cynthia Bailey's here. Like, I want it like slide-ins. Like, if I even want to go in the first place, you know what I'm saying?

- I appreciate those really quiet moments, and you know, I'm a lot older than you are, but as you get older, that's just what it is.

with my podcast with Crystal Cone Meekoff is we've just curated a space for us,

“where I almost feel like talking to her,”

it's like, it's like my therapy every minute. It's very therapeutic.

It's fun, you know, when we first started up podcast,

my only deal of break-a-was. I do not just want to talk about housewives 24/7. And if I do, I don't want to talk about it in a negative way. Now, I want it like have the conversation, but I have, it's just not even fun.

Like this is part of my world. I don't feel like dragging a much housewife girls all day. Like, I don't enjoy it. - That's not even you in real life. - I don't want to do it on podcast.

I don't want to do it real life. Like, I really do wish all of the ladies well because they are part of a sisterhood that no one knows what it is like to do unless you have actually set in the seats

that we have set in. Those reunion captures that we have set in and really share your life in a real way. So, I get it.

I was like, "Well, we can come over and talk about

"anything, positive, funny, whatever. "We did three podcasts in a row yesterday." And then, I feel like we had to go somewhere else. Like, it was like, "Oh, we went to the threats meta dinner, sit down dinner after that."

So, anyway, it's just one of those things. I understand why you love podcasting and I understand why you are so good at it. But what I love from watching following your podcast journey is I love how you bring in other people.

And I love that you're doing that. I really love that you're doing that. And honestly, if I wasn't over here doing my own, like I love that, like, I would actually would call you and say, "Hey, you know what?

"I would love to come and recap some stuff "because I don't like to go hard in the paint, "but I do feel how I feel, whether you like it or not,

"but I just, you know, I'm very strong about what I feel,

"if I believe something is right or wrong, "but I just don't wanna just be messy and be like, "I gotta drive on that." - No, no, no. - So, like, that, you know, so we got people that enjoy that. That's just not what I just, so I hear you

and I feel you'll be podcasting. - Thank you.

“- And that's what I was working for you, because you really love.”

- I love it, I love it and it saved me, and to be a voice out there where I can provide context, to things, and facts to how this business works, in addition to how the software is made, and the beauty of it, which is why I love my conversation

with you and Chris, so the Chris will say, "Yeah, bitch, I heard what you said about me. "I love that, I like being challenged by people in it too, "like what she did." So, it's been beautiful to have those respectful dialogues,

and walk away from it being like, I learned something. - Yeah, she was gonna call in. - She actually wanted to text me some questions. (laughing) - Let me see if she'd text me, because my phone's very blurred out.

- She's so funny. - Oh, yeah, she was like, yeah, you make sure you hold it accountable with the villains, 'cause he loves all the villains, like, ask him how it's villains are doing over the heels,

and how-- - Yeah, for God's sake, it's boring. - I know, I know, and she's gonna be very happy that it gave me a lot of attention. - I know, I know. - And she's gonna be very happy that, I'll watch you guys, and I know Chris,

has been honest about this season, she is. - She is. - It's just not-- - Very much so. - It's not good, sadly. - You know what, it's, but it's like peaks and valleys, like I feel like every franchise just can't be on top,

all the single time, it just is what it is,

“'cause it has to evolve, you have to change it up,”

either people just don't wanna share on the show anymore, and then they move on, or they don't wanna move on, and still not share, you know what I mean, and then they're just placeholders, and then nothing's happening.

Let's say, let's have a little bit fun before you leave, and then we're gonna land a plane. Do you think you're messy? - You know what, let's talk about that. I have learned not to be offended by the word messy,

and I'm glad you're here, because I feel like you would understand this when I say it. Like anybody else, I love a good read, I love a good shade, I love a good moment. You know, I love a messy moment, you know?

But to say I'm messy to me, the reason why I think is overused is overused. - I actually hate the word. - It's 'cause it's overused, it's overused, and people just overused it.

- And I hate the word fate, too, I hate people to call people fate. - Yeah, it's like shut up or hold them accountable, it's like shut up. Y'all learn the new word and y'all overused it.

- Exactly, not everything is a accountability when it's so much light. - Right, exactly. (laughs) - Sorry, somebody said it to me to be up with that.

- Oh, sorry, I was trying to mean the trigger you. - No, that's what I was trying to. So the messy thing to me is this. I think messy is when you intentionally do something

and there's no attentionality in it

“to have the in-resolved be resolved, right?”

So when people say your messy is like, why am I messy? Just tell me, because I'm behind the scenes. So tell me how Carlos King is messy. Well, you show this, you allow that to happen.

Oh, I have the power to tell a grown woman to do something so abhorrent, that you think in real life, she or he didn't wanna do that, or how about I tell you the times

where reality starts with teleproducer, like, you know what I'm talking about, it's going on. - And I may do growth, go off and say it. - Well, I ain't the one to say it.

- Get her to say it. - Right, right, right. - It's a ping pong. - Right. - Who got that team?

What Carlos, I do bitch, but a girl, I got my ass laid out last season. - Right. - So again, I think the word messy is overused. I'm not a messy person.

I can understand my people would say that, based on me producing reality television. And based on the fun conversation you and I have a large bearing in the people would be like, oh, that was messy.

Okay, you weren't there. So you wouldn't interpret that as messy, whereas me as Cynthia are having fun talking about it because that was our dynamic. So am I messy?

No, but I understand why people say it, and I'm no longer offended by it. I think it's overused, but at the same time,

“if the worst thing you could say about me”

than I'm messy, I'll take. - I did something right. - Exactly, do you think that, how do you feel about breaking the fourth wall? Like, I mean, on our side of it,

we love it because it gets to explain a lot as someone who's on the other side. How do you feel about it? - I like it when it's used, where it matters. - Okay.

- I do think sometimes overused, I'm watching ladies of London. - What, oh, I meant to ask you about them. - I mean, what are your thoughts? - I've been in the first three episodes yesterday

'cause the rain drops that, "Hey girl, we know you're busy." - Rich, recap the ladies of London show. I'm busy, and I don't have time to take on a new show. I'm tired, I'm actually exhausted. - No, you like, can I get a smile at it?

It takes a lot out of me to sometimes talk about show that I'm like, the long story sure I watched it. Have you seen it? - I have. - Okay, so the fourth wall I've been broken with.

- Dara? - Okay, I only saw like maybe two episodes. I saw them at, maybe it was the first. - The one accused of being a madame. - Okay.

- Is it Dara Dara? - Okay, G-A-R-H-I, whatever. - Yes. - So, Ms. Bing, her last, they had a dinner, and a woman said, "You were talking about your friend

"and you said she had cringy."

And she was like, "I never said that."

They show her talk to the producers. I mean, I did say it, but you guys should air it, and this is not what I wanted to be. - No, that's with you, you were so forth wall. - And then she said she was gonna quit

- Yeah. - And then they were like, I didn't know that would be safe. - They wanted her to quit, like it was like a whole day. - Right the fourth wall there.

- Yeah. - I don't like it when it's overused,

“but I think it's good because the audience,”

the audience knows that the girls ain't pamphlet these trips. - True. - I think, however, I will say on upcoming season of season 17.

- Oh. - Exclusive. - Exclusive. - I did a trip, and I definitely, it wasn't completely paid for by production, I'll say.

- Okay, you... - They helped, but I definitely... - But you didn't dip in your personal savings, you are part of many brands. - Correct.

- So because you are association with the brand. - Correct. - Yeah. - But let me ask you this. You all talk about that.

- Correct. - Well there you go. Why I get mad at it is, hey girls, I'll take her, you all to Italy! I don't know why.

- And the girls get mad when the rooms are running. Like girl, now you know, I didn't really flat Italy, and look at this damn house. - Yeah, it doesn't smell, like you know.

- Historically, like nobody has eight flawless,

amazing, equally nice size bedroom.

- Yes. - Somebody don't get that smaller room. - Yeah. - Then do you want to come on the trip or not? - That's it.

- So somebody, we know how this work. - We know how this work. - We know how this work. - Because like, we know how this work. - Bitch, we know they didn't pay for it,

just like skip this part. - I still get worn out from the Barcelona trip, because I ended up with that trip, and it did not start up in my trip. The trip was like, the girl's hated the house so bad,

and it was just going south so crazily, and I think it started up actually, and these trips, as a matter of fact. - And everyone was complaining so much, like somehow I ended up with the trip.

They were like, just given this in the, and then they were like, well, it makes sense because Cynthia would probably not spend a lot of money for a super expensive film, not to be clipped up.

- Oh no, they totally got me,

they still wore me out and was like,

"Well, of course, Cynthia would go over

“"and then get the cheapest place for them to stay."”

And I had to like, before we could break the fourth wall, really sit their own net trip, I was like, "It was ain't my damn trip in the beginning." And yes, I do ball on the budget, but like, if I'm taking this,

I make a mess with me, you better believe. - Come here, lay down the net trip. - You already know it. - Oh, Marlo alone, I would have to step my game up. Just so she could have a room for her clothes

and accessories, they wore me out. And I was like, when I went back, I was like, "Man, I wish I could just say, "it actually wasn't my trip, but I had my hands." I was given this the third day, okay?

I took the L, and I'm a team player. So when the decision came down, like, can you just own the trip? - You like, Bob? - I was like, I'm gonna be a working job.

It was giving me the damn trip. - That's my, I was just like the trip was over. But again, going back to cast and going back to creating a ship, what not creating a show, but making a show together,

I'd rather a trip that was horrible than be a villain any day.

Like, I always gonna knew where I could be helpful

as a part of the group. Always knew where somebody was like, one of the big stars of the villains or whoever else, if they got forget had to cancel a shoot day on it. - Oh, we were lials day to get out of here.

- Call Cynthia, honey, get over there. Get her in the world to go. - Yeah, get 'em a song, honey, let's film it. - We do it because I know that, okay, they have to film something.

- Yeah, that's about that's buried. - If someone cancels, we y'all got to film something. - That's buried. - That we know y'all ain't gonna use me and know I'll get 'em a song.

But y'all got to film shit it, wait, right? - So who wants to do that, sorry about this? Like, I'm not doing, I know y'all ain't gonna, this is a little the way seen. Whatever, and I'd be like, come on the way,

we got to go get on these cameras.

“- That's why you always been a joy to work with.”

You have to be better than I will give her her problem. - That is very serious. - She's not lying. - A lot of those things happen a lot and you know,

I always get those calls like, hey, we're in a bind.

Hey, we need this, we need that. Hey, you know what, nothing's happening. We've been shooting for three weeks, nothing has happened. We need to do all cast immediately because you know, we all cast, season eight, when me and Sharek

came back together, on the rooftop, and her king got into it, she almost threw drink on her. - Y'all welcome. - Oh my goodness. - That was a Cinderella event.

- But, 'cause nothing was happening the first week's filming. - But, do you think that's what they're talking about on social media when they call me born a snag? - I'm going my snag every day, and that's why I always say,

I have a single, every podcast, even today, everybody show I create, I always say, who's our Cynthia Bailey? Are you know I've said that? - You have, you have shared that.

- Every show doesn't need a bunch of needs, a bunch of portions, a bunch of, no, Kenya's. You need a Cynthia Bailey, somebody. - At least one, you're a show. The only way a show's going to work

because you need somebody that is balanced and who can be the voice of reason and who's sort of like, I'm not gonna say your point child, but I see her still. - You know what I said?

- You know what, I forgot to give the y'all a argue about. - Exactly. - You need that. - And I'm so tired of bringing people together. I've done it for so many years.

I'm the queen of like, okay, let me get them together and just even thinking about the BaileyQ. Like, when I tell you, let it start off sort of like, we need a BaileyQ, it's like iconic. Like, I have fans, they all do BaileyQs at their homes.

- I don't know. - No, it's like a whole thing. It's a whole thing. It's like, hey, you know what, we do BaileyQs now. So when you think that should be a business,

the way Dremrand is doing the blue storm management. - Yeah, all right, you know what, of course, Carlos, I can talk to you if you have a child. - I know. I'm really good.

- No, we have a good time and you know what's so funny. I know that when it comes to my relationship with the girls, you know they love to say Carlos loves all the girls and I do. - You do.

- And I love that about you. - And I really do, but there are a select few who I consider a friend and you are somebody that I consider a friend. You know, I love you.

I'm so proud of you. - Thank you. - I look at your tenure on Lena Housewives and I've spoken about this to the production company to a few people in that work.

“How you have shown to me what I think is missing”

on Housewives, which is not OG should come back full time and I think there's something about OGs or vets coming back and being a friend because it doesn't have the pressure showing your real life and getting 'cause I feel like you ladies graduated from that.

- I've gotten a t-shirt, child. - You know, I've done it. - Yes. - And you do it well and I haven't encouraged. Little do you know, there's been a few girls

that I've encouraged to go back to the show not as a full time Housewives and I said, do what Cynthia is doing. - Same, they all call me.

Like they all call me.

I think at this point the network tells them to call me

“because they're like, you need to have to send this.”

- Yeah, you do it well and I'm proud of you. - Thank you so much. What I love is like, I feel like if you've been on the show a substantial amount of time for years and years. Like that's a lot of sweat equity

to just walk away from at this point. You know what I'm saying? So if you're like if you've moved on to other things but you can like if you have time if it works and you want to stay attached to the fans

and the show and the ladies on the show 'cause I still have great relationships with, some of the ladies that I started this journey with and who came on like well into my journey

to just be able to go back and play with them a little bit.

You know what I'm saying? - I love that. Like I don't want to leave. I don't want to abandon that, you know, I've been doing it. That was the housewife for a very long time.

So that is still a very much a part of my life. And I get to do it on a way that works for me, that works for the cast, that works for the network and it just makes sense. So I think when you get to that space

to that point like you know going back to Sin and these girls out in the blaze of glory,

“that's the blaze of glory to be able to say you know what?”

It's time for me to think about this space in a different way, or just walk away. Just eventually like it will just be completely over for me. And that is okay, which is why I'm, you know, we're one year in with Hummelbregg.

I have all these other things going on. I have a movie coming out on a lifetime. I got like, you know, I'm busy doing other things. And we all as housewives deserve, we deserve to be able to pivot and away

that works for us. - Yeah. - You do it well. - Well, I love you and thank you. - I love you.

- Thanks for having me. - I mean, you're so welcome. And I really, I got to shout out my, my wife, Christo, Christo, you were very missed. - Yeah.

- But Cynthia held it down, that was a great job. - Thank you. I did.

“And this is my first interview, what was up for you?”

- I won't be able to tell. - Oh my god, report card, I did pretty well. - You did a A, no stairs and you were good. You did not look at me. - I didn't know, and I had a whole no the sheet.

I didn't even get it. - No, you did a good job. - Thank you. - Oh, thank you. - Yes, I'm like a heart.

I love you, thank you. - All right, love you guys. Thank you guys for tuning in. And you know, we just appreciate you. Like sure follow all the things

that we never usually tell you guys to do,

do it support us. - Bye. - Bye. - Bye. - Bye.

- Bye. - Bye. (laughing) - Oh my god. - Oh my god.

(laughing) Bruce will come to you guys. - Oh my god. - Oh my god. - Oh my god.

- Oh my god. - Oh my god. - Oh my god. - Oh my god. - Oh my god.

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