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We have to start the episode today, acknowledging and honoring Mary Cosby and her family. Her son passed away this week and it's been a terrible tragedy. Not only for the bravo community,

just for moms and the families in the world, it's just so sad. Cynthia, I know that obviously we're both fans of Mary, but I know that you actually have a real relationship with her, so I'm gonna let you speak to that.

It's so hard to talk about this. I'm still actually processing it. I just found out yesterday, which when you guys see this, it'll be like a week old,

but I found that pretty much when TMZ broke it. You know, I got a chance to spend some time with Mary during the ultimate road trip, girls road trip. And I remember asking about him. And I think at that point, he was angel or just getting out,

I would ever, you know, she was very optimistic. And you know, just we were all excited for him to get better, I guess. I don't even know the right words, but anyway, I was, it's really hard to believe in talk about this as mom.

To be honest, I cannot imagine what Mary's going through, you know, that was her one and only. No one was my one and only. And as a mom, my God, all you want is for your kid to be okay.

“That's like all you want in life is for your kid to be okay.”

And when they're not, it's very hard for you to be okay. Because they're, they are a part of you. They came from you, you know? So my heart is going out, obviously, to Mary and her family. And again, I was really paralyzed by this news when I got it.

And I didn't really know what to do, what to say, I knew that I couldn't text, you know, I just felt like I had to pick up a phone and call her. And I did, and to my surprise, she picked right up. And then I was really surprised

because I didn't expect her to pick up. Right. And then you, you're paralyzed again. I'm sure what to say. Yeah. And I just really just said, I'm, you know, well first I was like, you didn't have to pick up.

I just wanted to call. I didn't feel like a text was the right thing to do. And I just wanted to call you and say, I love you and I'm here for you. And I'm so sorry for you and your family. I know, I know.

And she's so, it's so unbelievable.

No, but what was so, what was so amazing?

“It's like the strength that you have to have as a mom.”

Because when I was telling her this stuff, you know, and I don't want to talk about the whole conversation, but what I will say is one of the things that, you know, she just said, it's okay. She just kept saying, it's okay. It's okay.

And it just felt like, you know, I think there's levels are shock. There's, you know, just processing the reality of the situation. I felt, well, I was glad I called, number one. And I know I'm doing a horrible job of trying to explain this to you guys, but I just don't know any other way to do it.

But I just wanted to recognize that we are all, you know, supporting Mary Cosby and her family. And this was a huge hit for the Brable universe. You such a big part of it.

And, you know, her son sharing that part of his life was so powerful.

And so, also honest. And so honest, yeah. Yeah, for to be the outcome is so exact. But I just applaud Mary for being just so brave to show, you know, where it's a reality show.

We're supposed to show our reality, but when I tell you, to be able to show that was just really powerful for so many other families that are going through that type of issue with that type of addiction, you know. So, my heart goes out to her and her family, and I was really happy that I got

She's pushing through and she knows and appreciates everyone's, you know, love and support. So, continue to love on Mary and, you know, I know that no matter how, no matter what I know that this is just devastating for her. So, it's too much.

Thank you for sharing that. And I will say that I'm, um, I was relieved to see that Bravo decided to take a break. I know, it looked like they're about to start filming, but they decided to take a hate us and it just shows a lot of compassion and empathy. And that's the right choice.

You know, Bravo gets sort of docked a lot for exposing people and, you know, but this is a true tragedy and they're doing the right thing. And I applaud them for taking a moment, because this is not something you need to film in the media after math. This is a time that they need to heal as a family.

And you will never heal from it, but they need time right now.

No, she, yeah, she needs to take some, she needs some time for sure.

“And you know what I was thinking about too and it correct me if I'm wrong?”

Um, this is the first time that someone on the show has lost a child, a kid. Oh, my God. I don't know. I mean, it feels like it is because it's so massive.

Yeah. I think also because you watch their journey so recently, you know, in fact, you're talking to her at Ultimate Girl's Trip a month ago about her son, who was, hopefully coming into recovery and, and now we're here and just shows you how quickly things can change, how tragedy happens, um, I don't actually know if there's

been another child that has passed. Yeah. Certainly we've seen children being sick and having those issues, but nothing, I think. I might be wrong, but I think this is the first time that that has happened, which is why I just kind of hit people so hard.

I think people have lost. We've seen people lose parents. I don't remember anyone losing a child. Yes. It's the first, and it's just, it's too sad, and I think that, you know, it's already

hard enough losing a parent. I've lost a parent, that's sort of the cycle of life, right? This is the ultimate tragedy to me.

“This is the worst, literally nightmare nightmare, it's the worst, it's the worst thing”

you can imagine to have to, um, no, it's too much for your child to go before you. It should be the other way around, correct, and when I tell you, um, I saw no well yesterday, and I just gave her the tightest hug because, like, I just can't imagine. No, it's so awful, so anyway, so we said Mary and her family are beautiful. There's nothing that we could say that'll ever help, but we're still sending it out there

for her, and we will forever have her and her family in her hearts. Yes.

We love you, Mary, I love you so much, and I, um, you know, you're always in my heart

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bottle. And I have to apologize, or just feel dumb, because I didn't know it was multi-parts. So I was talking to you- I think it was like three episodes. Yeah, I finished them.

I was like, talk about part one. So when you were talking about Shandy and all that, I didn't realize it was coming. I just thought you assumed or had more insider information. But after now watching all three parts, I have so many questions for you. Well, how did you feel after watching all three parts about some of this stuff that we

discussed last week?

But after just the first part, I was like, oh, this is sort of like a glamorous ad to

rewatch the show. It was like, this is something really happening, and then what you realize is like, it really spirals.

“And I think that, so now I totally understand what you were talking about when it came”

to Tyre and like no accountability, I mean, it's not a good look. I'm actually shocked. She did it.

the producer was like, do you want to talk about it?

She's like, I don't really remember, like the way she was acting was like, I don't want to talk about it. Like, what are you doing here? Like, you're either going to take accountability, but it just felt like this was a way to be like, and now, it clearly feels like they're going to have a new cycle.

Like, they're going to bring back the show in some way to me. I don't know. And I just thought it was really, it's sort of inappropriate the way it was handled. I was that age watching that show. I was like a middle school in high school, like I love that show.

“It was a different era, but I think it's like acknowledging that era was a different”

time. That's what models had to look like. That was really like a glimpse into it, but watching them sort of exploit the girls. I think part of it was reality, but then watching these girls, like having to do these crazy photo shoots that were so alarming that models don't do, like, pretending to die or, you

know, they're drugged out or, you know, the unhoused and they're, like, literally filming with real unhoused people. It's kind of crazy changing ethnicities, you know, she wanted to play this big, you know, I'm the producer. This was my show, did it up.

And then when the hard questions came, I was like, "Oh, that was production." Like, you are production, usually a production. Those meetings happen before the cameras are up. You don't just walk on a set and find out that you're doing, like, we're changing race photoshoot.

Yeah. Those are all fully story boarded against a wall.

I always say this about even house lives, like, they don't tell us what to say or do, but

I can't imagine that there's not a giant wall in an office with pushpins and our pictures and like lines of, like, story lines and all that, and they don't even know what we're talking about yet. Right. This is a very well planned, well executed show for 20 plus season.

Like, you know what you're doing by the end. You can't say that you did it. So I was shocked by that documentary, and just, and obviously, I mean, I want to go into with you when it comes to the jays and knives or barker and all that. I mean, obviously, we're feeling incredibly terrible for the jays.

“But I think that nightals kind of getting a free pass, which I don't think is fair.”

I don't know why. I think he had, he was also part of the toxic environment, personally. That's what I have to say. Well, okay, you said a lot. So let me try to go back and address all the different parts of the show.

You'll be seven hours. I guess I'll just work backwards. Let's talk about night jump, because that's going to be a quick one for me. I feel like when it came to him and the jays, I don't really feel like, and I can be wrong, that they had that much creative say so.

I don't feel like they were a part of production in a big way. I feel like they were hired to do their jobs. Nigel was hired to take the picture. And of course, I feel like, you know, as a photographer, you do have somewhat of say so, but you maybe think, but I think when you're doing a TV show, if they say shoot,

this girl's mom was shot by her boyfriend. And now we would like to do a shoot with this girl pretend to be shot by someone. Personally, I don't think Nigel would say, I think this is a great idea for a photo shoot.

I just came up with this amazing story for us to shoot.

I think that something like that feels like to me that came from production. I don't disagree that it's, I don't think he came up with that concept. However, I was only on a show for three years. Mm-hmm. That first year, I have no idea what's going on.

You tell me to jump off a cliff, I'm like, oh, okay, I guess every time, where's the cliff? By year three, I was like, okay, I saw the sausage factory in the background, okay. I see there's, you know, some Diana chefs, you know, they were on it for 20 plus seasons.

“There is a certain time where I think that like, yes, there's always a boss above, right?”

There's a network. I don't see how you can't stand up and say something. And I feel like the Nigel part of it while I get that they're in some way, the three of them, we're like victims of Tyra. It is a strong word, but like, because I think Tyra did not take care of her people like that.

But I think like watching him now over the years, really thinking back, like, he was their piece, those girls. You could tell they looked up to him like a dad or a big brother. And he was like, was softening the blow to them. But also on the flip side to me, it seemed like he was kind of culpable.

Like he probably deep down felt bad that he had to do this with them. But like he's also kind of like, yeah, like, put your arm back and do that.

“They had the blood, you know, it's like, I think they're had to be a moment where it's like,”

this one is not okay. We really push the edge. What the girls like fly in space and just like a bird and whatever. Like something kind of stupid, but like they had this young girl recreate a scene. And what she was shot after her mom was not only shot, but paralyzed because of it.

I think it's like, I think it's like one of those situations where of what he did morally, I guess he could have said, you know what? I know this is a reality show. And I know what making some really good TV here. But this just, this doesn't sit right with me.

They all could have said that if there was something that really that didn't align with them like morally, like, I can't do this. However, when you're in it, especially at the beginning of it, and I'm not making excuses for them. I'm just trying to put myself in their minds that because I'm looking at them. I'm not looking at the jays and Nigel has production.

I'm looking at them as talent. I feel like the jays and Nigel were cast and a role to play. Yes, they are who they are. Nigel is a photographer.

Jay is an amazing walker, a runway instructor.

And the other Jay is great. I knew him from doing makeup, but he did a great job as a creative director. Whatever his role was, but in terms of the show, they were characters on the show as well. They all were characters.

So when you feel Jay, you could tell he's super upset in the document. Like he felt like his hands were tied. Oh, in the documentary, yes, but in the moment, in the time where they're doing, like we're talking about, how did we even get to the documentary at this point? How did all these moments happen that provided the information for a documentary?

Like in that moment, why didn't someone say, this is horrible. There's no way that I'm going to celebrate this. There's no way I'm going to shoot this.

Yes, they could have set something, 1,000 percent.

But I think, at the end of the day, it felt like, okay, so this is what's on the call she today. This is what we're being told to do. I don't think they were in those rooms where it was like, I don't think they, I don't believe. They were in those storyboards. They were, yeah, I think it was like bigger than them.

And then they had the choice to do what they do the job or be replaced.

“Right. Basically, I mean, that's what it felt like.”

No, well, clearly it was because they were replaced. Well, there you go. So brutally. There you go. There I actually stopped watching when they were off. They were like, that was for me the show. Right. But that means tired needs to take more.

Well, that's what I'm saying. And let me be clear. I don't think that Tira is solely to blame for all of this. There had to be people that she had to go, run this back and forth to, they had to be like, usually for a show. It's not just one person said, okay, this is what I want.

And this is how it needs to be. You have like three or four people at that table making those decisions. It's not just usually on when person, however, however, I do think because it was at the end of a Tira show and her concept. And this was supposed to really be a look into what it is like.

Kind of a behind-the-scenes look of what modeling is. I do feel like if there was something that was completely insane to you, I do feel like the person that should have stood up to say, this is not even realistic. This don't have anything to do with modeling.

This is never experienced anything as crazy as this.

“I think that Tira's voice would have been the voice that would have needed to be”

her in those conversations before they even got to shooting something like that for an episode. So I have a question for you because you know reality and modeling. That's what makes you such a kind of unique specific voice to this documentary and show.

in that house while they were filming top model. Whether it was alcohol, lack of food, lack of basic necessities. It just seemed like they were like scrunched in this like what look cool house, but it was obviously like not great. Probably sharing two bathrooms for 30 girls, that kind of thing.

Yeah. So when I started housewives in 2020, I people, I remember at the time this was one of the big topics. I was like, do they board heateduring? Do they force you to do stuff like that?

“And I was like, by the time I was there, I think Bravo was under a lot of scrutiny.”

So like my seasons were actually kind of opposite. Like they had it there, but it's like it's up to you. And so a lot of most of us didn't drink just inherently because we're on television. Was it more like that when you started Atlanta? Because it was like a many years prior, like at the time before that was under pressure.

Did you notice that? So for Atlanta, if I show up, let me just paint the picture. If I show up to a scene, it may be at someone's house or a restaurant or a wherever. And usually, usually, there's some type of food and some type of drinks there.

I have never in my life from filming one episode of "Rob Housewives of Atlanta"

been encouraged to drink, force to drink, or any of those things. If anything, it was the opposite. I wanted a drink. I definitely was always super stressed out, anxious, sometimes even nervous before filming. I would have all this anxiety.

So I always wanted a drink before I would even go into a scene. And did they supply it? Yes, but I asked for it to be completely honest. So I've never been in a situation where it was like, hey, we have a cycle hall and we're not going to give you any food.

But it does feel that way when you watch pop model. It does feel like there's not someone's pressing you to drink or maybe it's just the age. Maybe they're just like such young girls. There, I don't know, it just felt like they were so out of control. Yeah, I didn't really say, you know, I just, you know, from the documentary.

In the only time that I really saw the drinking thing become an issue was when they went to Milan, and they were hanging out with the Italian guys. And they somehow ended up back at the model's apartment. And then, you know, they were drinking there. But that was the only time that I saw anything that even evolved alcohol.

I guess I remember, I mean, I don't know, I was, I was so young when I watched it. So, you know, your lens is so different as a kid. You know, it was like, wow, their models are, oh my god, they're partying and... Well, I think people assume that models just party all the time.

“And drinking, good drugs, and just like that, that's what, that's part of the lifestyle,”

which is true and not true. My entire time I modeled for over 30 years.

And I never did drugs, as a matter of fact, that was never even offered drugs.

Well, what was the energy like in a model apartment? Like, can you take us through that experience? So the energy for me and the 1,000 models of perm is that I ended up living in throughout, like, especially in the beginning. Like, once you, I mean, once you start making money, you usually just get your own place.

Or at least maybe have one roommate. You're not literally there with, like, four or five girls. But your agency puts you in these apartments, right? Yes. They pay for it. And, or do you have to pay out of your, is there, doesn't come out of salary or, of course, they pay for it up front. And then, once you start working, they start reimbursing.

I mean, sorry, not reimbursing. Reimbursing themselves. Yeah, they reimburs themselves. Yeah. Oh, reimbursing. They put the money up and say, okay, you have this place.

And then after, like, you know, two or three months, you start working.

And then, then that first check, you like, so excited to get your first check.

And it's like zero. I mean, like, wait a minute. What happened? I thought it made $3,000 on this. And it like, oh, here are your deductions. Here's your bread, here's your food, here's your all the things.

So they give you all of it, but they, you know, they have to be reimbursed. Nothing's for free hunting. They're not good. I didn't know that. Oh, you think they're just kind of fly models in from all over the world. And just flip the bill on them, like, having a place to stay in

expensive New York City or LA or wherever they are. No, it doesn't work like that.

“Do I look like a model? Do I know anything about this?”

I just assumed that that was sort of like, we're taking you on. Right, we're taking you under our wing. We're going to build you. And we're going to put you up. And then you're going to become this famous model.

And then we get 10%. Are the action to 10% is wrong. Usually it's 20%. Okay, so 20% is usually what they take. That could have changed.

That could have changed now. But it was 20% when I was actively modeling.

In terms of expenses, hey, we love you. We think you have a great look. We're going to fly you to New York to, you know, we're going to sign you and fly you to New York. Well, that flight you get on. Okay, free.

That's that's my free. The car that you take from the airport to the miles apartment. That's not free. Like they track everything. They keep a record of everything that they put.

Everything that they spend on you. And once you start working, they were cool. That was the word I was looking for. We could not remember. But same thing, they were cool all that money back.

So you never really see your money until you have paid them back.

I had a lot of memes that I've just made for you because my face is like in shock. Like I literally had no idea. Yeah. If you know you're going to pay them back, do you have any say in where you're living? Well, I mean, normally like for me.

Okay, so many questions.

“Okay, so the place that my first model's apartment was, and I will never forget our name,”

was owned by my booker, Careley Grabowski, shout out to Careley. And I met her. She was like my booker and she's like, you can come, you can live with me. And there was like three or four other girls there. But I was the only one that was like their full time.

A lot of the girls would like, oh, we have a girl coming in from Italy. She's going to be here for six days. So it was a lot of girls going in and out. So it was changing all the time. And do you have your own room?

Well, I had my own bed. I didn't, I can't remember if I had my own room.

But I definitely always had my own bed.

Usually it was like a few beds in there. You know, a little like little twin beds. And I was like, yeah. And then how do they track your food? Are you, do you have like a credit card?

You're buying food on? And then they don't know. We didn't have no credit card. But like how do they track it? Okay, so I would get my mom would send me care packages.

“Like once a week, I would be like running to the post office”

to get my box of whatever. You know, I'm not even to the post office. It would be delivered. And I would be all excited to get my box. And it could be serial noodles.

Like you know, the tuna fish, you know, a lot of things that I liked. And you know, stuff that wasn't like super fat. And you know, maybe have some cookies or something in there as well. But for the most part, I would get my care packages. Yeah, I would get my care packages from my mom.

Shout out to my mom and any money that I need it. If I said, hey, I need $200 this week toward food. You know, they would be like they would advance to me. And then that would be recoup later. Once I started making money.

Like they made sure you were good. But they were just going to take money back once you started. So it's like a credit. It's like a credit. I see, got it.

Yeah. Okay, which is fair. I mean, who wants, I mean, like this is a business. It's a business. They're not they can afford to just house and feed and close these different girls from all over the world.

Like they have to, they're in the business of making money. And as soon as you start making that money, they start. They start taking it back.

And it was so funny because I remember the first time when I finally got a check,

that I actually got the check because I finally had paid everything back. And then now, you know, I was finally able to actually make money and see money. Yeah. So did the girls?

“I have to imagine like it's like a college dorm, right?”

Like, you don't mix well with everybody. Like, what happens when the girls in like each other? Well, you know what, usually, like I said, it was so much in and out. Like, and we were busy all the time. We were running around on castings.

A lot of the girls were getting, you know, they had part-time jobs. You know what I'm saying? Like, I actually probably after my third month of being in New York. I was like, okay, I should get a job. Like, you know, just something to hold me over because things were not really happening

for me, you know, you don't move in New York and you just get booked right away. It's very rare that that happens. Like, I'm still learning what a model is. Like, you know, being in a model's apartment was really helpful to me just to know how to even act like a model.

Like, I was just kind of like me from Alabama. And I had like regular girl confidence, but I didn't have like model confidence. And these girls will like walk in a room and be like, I basically, I'm here. I'm her, I'm the shit. And I don't even know why you got showed up at the cast.

Like, I would walk in the room like, hi, I would sit down and be like, wait my turn. And the girls I've worked all the time would just walk in and be like, but the cigarette, like, where do we sign in? Okay, all right, you know what, this is taking too long. I gotta go.

I'll have magic. Okay, I was like, oh my god, we can like leave the casting. We can like call our agent and say the lines too long. Like, I didn't know any of that stuff. They would just be like, oh, I'm out of here.

I'm gonna go do, you know, I have, I have a flight to Paris in two hours. I can't be bothered, you know? Oh my god. Wait, so I learned a lot. Like I started acting like I would like watch my roommates and be like, you know,

how did they make up and how they dress? 'Cause I would like, I didn't really have like my own style then. And they would just have on like the motorcycle jacket, just a ripped up shirt, and like they call.

And I was like, okay, I gotta get a black motorcycle jacket, motorcycle jacket. I got like I literally just copied what I saw because I was like, I didn't dress like that in Alabama. You know, they didn't wear makeup and you know, I wore crazy makeup. Like when I've grown, you know, coming from the south. You know, I didn't go to the grocery store without makeup.

“Were you allowed to like have parties and guys at the model's apartment?”

If we like, if like, say like, some of the girls knew, because we would go out, you know, and the night like at the first nightclub I went to like a real nightclub in New York. Was with some of my friends that I lived with. Okay.

Oh my god, I can never imagine the model models.

No, it was so crazy. It was like, it was this really popular nightclub in New York called Nails. I remember actually I met these other models who lived in another model's apartment. Okay. I met them on a cast and they were like, oh, we're gonna go to Nails tonight.

Do you want to hang? And I was like, yeah, I want to hang. I want to go, you know, me, well, I didn't have like any money. So I was like, I hope this is the best. You have one leather jacket.

Listen, what no, what I actually did was like, I don't know like I went to like a thrift store. And I'd still love thrift stores. Yeah. It's like one of my favorite things to do is go thrifting. But anyway, I was like, I may have been like the good wheel.

I don't know where I went to, but I went and I found this like suit. It was like a men suit. And that was like, this is like kind of really cool. Because it was kind of during that time where it was like the Robert Palmer video. Oh, yeah.

“Remember what the hair's like back in the smokey eye and it was like little tight dresses.”

But it was like, you know, it was, that's very like, that's very like late eighties. It is. Well, I should've got like a tight like spend extra. But for some reason, I bought like a old man suit. And I remember going to, um, that's cool, though.

My friends. Yeah, it was like, because I just wanted like, I felt like New York.

You know, the style is so incredible in New York.

Like, everybody just looks different. You could just kind of dress however. So I was just like experiment and trying to figure out my personal style. So I remember knocking on door and I go to their apartment. And these girls are literally like from that video at that point.

Like the hair stick back and they're like, I was also looking to got these little tight dresses on. And I have on a old man suit from a good wheel basically. And I walk in and I'm like, okay, they look sexy and hot. And I look like they're they're trying to be. I look crazy.

And by the way, that's a cool vibe to be in our pit. I know. I do know I want to be a madam. Like, I love it. So anyways, so girl, I end up, you know, I was like, well, clearly, I look crazy.

And I were like, you know, one of the girls just like threw a dress at me. I'm just like, here, I put this on. Like, you look so much hotter. You have body's gray, whatever. And it's not changing clothes and putting on this little teeny black dress.

And I just pull my hair back in a little bun, little, you know, ponytails. I don't even think I had a weave or anything, you know, at that point. And put on a red lipstick and the smokey eye. And then we, they were like, okay, we're going to call a limo. And it was my first time riding in a limo.

“And I was like, I was excited, but I was like, how much is this going to cost me?”

Because you can remember, I'm like, broke Bailey over here. So I'm like, okay, so I was like, well, between like eight of us, it can't be that much. And I can't remember, but like, somehow I figured all that out. So we get into the limo and I'm like, we are in a limo.

We go there. You know, like, 19, okay, okay, maybe 20, okay, that point. Right. But I just do not, like, you know what I mean? Probably 16, okay, but dress like you're 47. Uh, we look like hookers. Yeah, you know, a limo.

Hot hookers, but we look like hookers, but we, we look hot, though. We, we look hot. Okay. So I remember getting there pulling up. And there's like a people like everywhere, like in front of the door. And it's like a door man and all this stuff, like picking people like, you know,

this one and people like, you know, all these cool people trying to get in. And we pull up and, you know, they all make sure right now. No, no, no, no. So the girls get at like ones from like Brazil. So you know, she was like hot, so yeah, like maybe ones from like Michigan, and I would ever, then one was from like spying.

It was like, like, that is the funniest light Brazil. And yes, Michigan, like from all over, but it was like eight of us.

Never remember the girls were getting out.

And I got out like maybe next to last. And I was like watching them get out and they won by the end. And it's like that's see part it. And they just like, the crowd parted and they walked in. It was like, oh, my God. So, and they were all like walking in, like, you know,

straighten their stuff and it's your turn out like, you know, cigarette, like, I know we're getting up in here. I know we're going to, I'm not going to stand this line. So I just went into character. That was like my first job as an actress, basically.

I was like, I got a walk like they're walking. I can not have.

I'm just going to walk straight in and just look mean.

Like just kind of like, you know, like, you can't talk to me. Because nobody was, you know, like no one was smiling. You know, this is very much like, yeah, I'll make this be my style. I like, like, open the door because we're coming in. And they let us in.

And I remember, like, what's so crazy? I literally remember, this was so long ago, like, seeing like Chris Roth in the crowd. Like standing out there waiting now. I think this may have been before a Saturday night live. He's a friend of mine too, shout out to Chris Roth.

“But I remember that and like, we walk in.”

And of course, they like, they're like, they give us a table.

And we're like holding court.

And the girls are like, yeah, you know, it's like a bunch of celebrities in there. And I'm like, you know, they're like, they're so and so they're so and so they're so and so I'm like, oh my god, oh my god, they were like, just look cool. Because I was like, oh my god, I've watched them on TV. I want to say, I didn't like, no, no, no, no, you just got to be cool.

You got to be cool. And then Prince walked in. What? Prince. Not my prince.

Not the prince. The real prince, bitch. That's crazy. The man that chooses to sit under the cherry moon prince. Wow, really purple rain prince. Okay. And I was like, forget this.

I am so golden. I'm talking to Prince. The way you like, break character. I was like, you, I'm out of your mind.

“If you think I'm going to sit here and look cool and Prince just walked in here.”

Hot to protect because no one else is cool now. Prince is like, oh, all bets are all yeah. And I'm sure I like walked up to him and tried to say hi. Whatever. I can't, this is before like, you know, people have phones and all that stuff. And I run in here like walking in and, you know, one point he was like dancing,

dancefloor and like all the models we were all dancing. And you know, it's like, been a model wasn't a bad thing like then. Because if you were a celebrity, you like models. If you were rich, you like models. Like, like, they were all kind of looking for a model to be on their arm.

Yeah, or just to hang out with a wedding. I mean, it was really the heyday. Oh, girl, New York doesn't owe me anything. Okay, it just shows you what comes with a lot of negative. It comes with positives.

Absolutely, absolutely. Right. You had a lot of fun. I had a great time. And even then, like, there was no one in the model's apartment, stored in code that I saw or anything. Like, they put it like this. If they were doing drugs,

I'd never saw them doing it.

Right. And that's kind of like how it works. Like, even now today, like in, I'm, I'm still in the entertainment industry. I'm around people all the time. And I know some of the people I'm around probably store a code. But no one has ever laid a line down in front of me and snorted it. And ask me if I want to, like, no one has ever walked up to me and said, hey, do you want to see what's going on?

I've experienced that when I was, like, 16 in Hollywood, like an L.A. Never happened to me. Wow, I did it because I saw all over the world. I'm such a pussy, but like, it's happened. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. What did they offer you? And what happened? Oh, my God. I have weird stories. I know. I know. I haven't given out a weird story. No, it's been a while. I have a lot to be.

Okay. And those were, and there was one model story that I have because I mean, we're sharing modeling stories here. Yes, crystal cheekbones, makeup is the way I went to a club with my friend who was a model. And I was dressed. So I, I, I, not a fashion person. And I had, like, front be, like, boot cut jeans, but I was wearing, like, it's probably flat with them. So they probably were, like, pulling. And she's, like, still a model, my friend Aaron. She's, like,

gorgeous. She was on, like, I remember in Hollywood, a Frederick's of Hollywood. She had, like, per side, like, she was, like, laying. And it was, like, all the clothes. And she was, like, the, you know,

“she was, like, I remember that Frederick's of Hollywood. Is that still around? It's still there, right?”

I think it's online. But there was a club at the time. So this was when I was, like, a 14 age life. That was born, eight, three. So, like, 2000, right, night, late 90s, 2000. And we went to a club in LA called Las Palmas, a very, I remember getting out of car with her. And we were underage. And I literally looked like her, like, ugly bodyguard. But she parted the sea just like you did. Right. And I'm like walking, like, behind or like, I'm with her. Stop it. And then we walk and,

and then there's, like, ropes. They didn't check her. Yeah. And we were, obviously, I mean, they knew clearly it was like, she'd been there. Yeah. And it was like, but she, I know inside, she was acting. Like, we got to act like we're, yeah. We got to act like we know how to drink. And it's like, older. Yeah. And then there was, like, a velvet rope that, like, surround it,

to be there all of a sudden being with Erin. But like, that was my one time of understanding what was like to be like a model. And the sea's parted. I could not believe it. There's a line wrapped around. Everyone's stairs at you. Like, why those bitches going in? She's walking in,

“you know, with her like fake, bendy bag. Do you remember when they had all the glittery,”

you know? And yeah, we'd walk around like, because we bought it in downtown LA, we're like, oh my god, like a bendy bag. And we just were like, so dumb. But she's like, became like a real model. But yeah, those, when you're like hot, doors open for you. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I watched, you know, I just, I just shuffled in behind her. Like, you don't even know how many free dinners. I mean, these cheap bones afforded me a very good life in New York for a

long time. I could just tell you that because, you know, people just wanted to be around models.

And we were always invited to all the cool stuff. Yeah. But I remember, like, it wasn't because

she was a model. But we would go to parties that we really should have not been at. We were saying way to a long way. It really had appropriate parties in like Malibu and stuff. And it was like,

“probably, you know, it's like that kind of see me rich, classic surgeon vibe people. And like,”

you'd open the door. Like, I mean, we were kids. We were fucking little kids like really walking in. And then I'd open the door. It's like something's actually like a three-som or something. And we're just like, I'm like walking in like, I don't know. And I just ran out of there was so scared. And then I'd wake up the next morning and go to like biology class. Like nothing happened. Like it was, and my mom, we would tell like our moms like, oh, we're going to each other's houses.

Because you think on track you then, it was a different era, a different era. I'm so glad I got it. Because I had a very, like, good head of my shoulders. I, I liked going to these things.

And like telling my friends later, it all happened. But I never wanted to be really a part of it.

I wanted to just like, yeah, I just want to like see what was happening. And yeah, I just saw too much as a kid. Wait too much. Why on the child? It was, it was crazy. Okay, so should we get to listen to our questions? We have so many questions on like, I noticed on YouTube. So we decided to post on humbleback pod Instagram page questions. And we had quite a few. So you want to ask them? I've got some right here. And great. Great reminder to follow us on

humbleback pod because I'm sure we'll be getting more questions at some point. So follow us. And you guys have any questions about other things. We love answering your questions, even if we don't know what we're talking about. We don't have the answer. Probably, but just ask the question. Just ask it anyway. There's no job questions. Only dumb answers. Pies Cynthia and Crystal. But in this case, I have a feeling these will be great answers because

clearly, because Cynthia and I are both super models, we'll have all the answers for you. All right. I love that I'm like an expert now on this, on this whole thing. Reality and modeling, you are actually like one of like six people in the planet that is true in that part. Oh, including myself. I was one of six as well. Okay. All right. Zoey, besides Sandy, what part of the documentary was the most disturbing to you? Oh,

but it's a great question. Um, probably the same we were talking about earlier with the girl reenacting getting shot. I just thought that was very traumatizing to watch. And you could see that she was clearly traumatized and struggling with that. Yeah, that that that was tough. And if I

can't all for a third one, it would be the girl, like it's not even funny because it was like so crazy.

But um, getting her teeth removed on camera. Like I've been to the dentist. I've had all the wisdom teeth in the back removed. I've had plenty of dinner works. I get it. But there was something about seeing it done. It just, I was like, is she even numbed up? Like, it just looked crazy to me.

“Yeah. Yeah. Really bothering me. I think it was such a tragedy watching the one girl”

to have the gap. Danny. Yeah, it with her teeth and they closed it. And then to hear, she was like the next season or two. So I'm sorry. Yeah. And when she really didn't want that for me, something that was more disturbing that like, I don't know if that's the right word, but that affected me probably the most is that I think I knew this at the time, even at a young age. But I knew

reality that they were going to be pigeonholed. Because you can't help yourself. Like if I see them,

I always will know them as America's on top of them. Yeah. And so then you are, you will be boxed in

and these girls had no idea that they could not. And that's, I think I feel that way because I've always felt like no matter what people always know me on real housewives. And, but I knew walking in that that was going to be the situation and I accepted that. Like I have a lot of other things going

“on my life. But that's what you know me from because why else would you know me? That's also okay.”

In their situation, they were so vulnerable that they had no other choice. And so which gave them a platform, but they, and you watch them in the documentary, they didn't have Instagram. They didn't have social media to financially benefit. They were just exposed on a show. And then when the show's over, it's the next season. And where are they supposed to go? All they have left is that they're were on the show the season fryer. And it's hard to become real models from that situation.

So that part to me felt bad because it was a little bit exploitive when I think that the production

and Tyra knew that they were never going to be come on. That it would be a really a major uphill

that that leads perfectly into the next question. Okay. Which was to both of you. Have you ever been turned down from a job or opportunity because you've done reality TV? Oh, I'll take that first. When I first started Atlanta housewives, it was still kind of in the early stages of reality TV. And it just had like just reality TV was kind of like reality TV had like a bad rep. It was just kind of like, oh, you're on a reality show. It just wasn't like viewed as a super positive thing. Yeah. And I even

“had friends like when I said, I think I'm going to join the real housewives of Atlanta.”

Like probably 80% of my friends was like, you don't need to do that. Like that's got to mess up your reputation. You have this great. I mean, I didn't have a brand at that time. I was just a model, but it was like you're doing so great. Like why would you put yourself out there? Like that. Like it was like a scary thing for my friends to support, to be honest. And maybe in the little ambitious Pisces that I am, I was like, I'm going to do it anyway and see what happens. You know,

when I'm saying like I'd never operate from a place of fear. And I always feel like if God

brings me to it, I'm going to see him through it and just try and see. And if I don't like it, I feel like, hey, if I don't like it, I can always quit. It's not like a hostage situation, but I feel like I want it to try. But there were other times like I would be up for certain things once I started to become a brand where I would be up for something and I wouldn't get it, not specifically because of me, but because of the association with some of the villains on the show,

or some of the villains that really weren't super brand friendly, I'll just say that. They would associate me with them and be like, no, it's not a good look. And it's like we'd like Cynthia, but the show was a little like whatever. So yeah, I did. But on the flip side, I got more, I got more than I lost. I got more. Because I was on the show than I did than I lost. But you know what, that was a while ago. The game has changed. The game has totally changed. Like now brands are like embracing

reality and just personalities and you're really care. It's like brands are focused on reality. Yeah, they're like, at this point, they're like, where are the villains? Let's get them over here in some ads. Like they want the more slacious type of personalities now. Like, not they don't care.

“They're like, but then they used to be like, oh, does it align with, you know, the brand?”

It's like, no, nobody cares. It's like, let's sell this body butter and move on, you know? Like, for me, I was never a brand before. And I don't, um, so like no one knew who I was. So I was only getting, like, offers because of the show. But the very, very first time, I already had received a brand offer before I even air. Like, they were already calling me to do that. Because they heard you were on the show. Yes, because I was like, it was announced. I was on Housewives. But what happened was,

maybe it was airing. It had to be airing. Because I, yes, my first season is airing. I had a brand deal in place. And then I had said the story, like, um, two truths in the lie. This is one, when we started our body told you, like, I want it, you know, but I worked at an escort service. It was not an escort. I worked at an account, whatever. But I had said that I warned my rest. And that was

So it got picked up as clickbait. Crystal was born for a rest. I get a call from the brand person,

like, they're pulling out. I go, oh, why? And this, I'm already like super fragile because I'm like, I just started airing. I'm like, you know, and they're like, you have a, a criminal record. I go, why? And they're like, oh, yeah, they're like, oh, well, they need to clear up this arrest. I was like, all right. Oh, my God. It came from me. And then they went back and they really looked into it.

“And then they're like, okay, you can do it again. They're like, fine. But I remember that was such an”

eye-opening experience. Like, I had to be careful about what I said because I could be, I didn't realize how clickbait worked at the time. And then I really, you know, I found out the hard way. But yeah. So that was my only one time that I've been to something to take it away. But everything has come to me because of us. So it's been a positive. Yeah. Yeah. One thousand percent. Yeah. Cynthia, another question for you from Cassandra. Do you have any more information on the

riff between Jay and Tyra and where that relationship went wrong? I want you to deep into this because I did not realize that Miss Jay filmed with you. I did not know your history. Yes. Okay. So there's two jays. There's Jay Manuel and this Jay Alexander. So Jay Alexander is the one that filmed with me who didn't necessarily have a quote unquote riff. I think the riff riff was with the other Jay. Because the riff now is with Miss Jay, too. Well, I think it's with all of

them now. Yes. It's all of them. I think the audience is equally interested in the riff. So they're equally interested in all the riff. So we would like you to spill it all. All right. So well, I don't but if you go to Jay's page, you will see everything. He's been doing quite a few interviews talking about some of the issues that we're going on between them. What I do know is, how do you know

Miss Jay and how long has it been? Okay. Let me break it down. Okay. I'd never work with Nigel

and if I did maybe once, but I don't, I'd never really knew Nigel like that. So I don't have any of his teeth. All right. Jay Emmanuel. I met Jay when I was modeling and he was a make-up artist.

“That's how I met him. Beautiful. Just as gorgeous as he is now, but even probably more so like then.”

And super, super sweety pie. And I remember right around the time that I was hearing about Tira doing America's next top model. And Jay was going to be a part of it. They were like really good friends. Like they were tight. Like I used to see them together all the time. Like I'd be walking down the street and bumping into them. Like they were like definitely tighter than tight. Probably way more so than Jay Alexander and Tira. Okay. So I think that not only were Jay and Tira,

you know, not only did they have a work in relationship, they were friends. Like they like state agents houses. Like he says all this stuff. He says in documentary says in all the interviews because

it was true. Right. So I think according to what he said, basically I know what you guys saw,

but it just felt like they were tight. And then I think at one point maybe, you know, I'm just guessing, you know, for whatever reason he wasn't happy anymore being on the show. It could have been money. It could have been just maybe the way the show was moving because the show went on for a really long time. And they were at the beginning, both Jay's were at the beginning of the show. So for whatever reason, things that was an issue. And he tried, you know,

have a conversation with her about it. And it was not well received. And they just seemed like everything like fell apart from that point on. Like were you surprised when they started the show that Jay was like the creative director and make a artist? Or were you like this totally makes sense? Because they were like, that's right. No, it worked. I could totally. I mean, he was a really good makeup artist. You know, he was doing very well in the business. I could see him,

you know, being a creative director, especially for lack of reality show. I mean, I could have probably been a creative director for the show. You know what I mean? And he's, you know, not, not, no shade to him, but it was just, at a during a time where it's like, hey,

“you know, why are you being a creative director? You do make a, you mean, you know what I mean?”

It just kind of felt like so early into the game that, you know, this is kind of how I work. You know what I mean? It's like, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. So how did you meet Jay, Ms. Jay? Okay, I met Ms. Jay. I think maybe I maybe did some walking classes with Ms. Jay. It was so long before before top model. Oh, totally before Jay was like legendary already as the

spend as much time with Ms. Jay to be honest is because I didn't really do that much runway.

“Like, I was more of a commercial girl. I was doing ads and working with designers, but more like”

photos and stuff. I was more, um, yeah, commercial, like print. Yeah, I was doing, I was a more of a print model and an editorial print and editorial. I was doing tons of magazines and and he was the real advertising. Yes, he was the person and he was the one to tie her a her walk. And, you know, he's probably most of the greats to be on as he was the, he was the guy, all the agencies used him to teach their girls how to walk. And with that said, he was obviously a

perfect addition for that, but also not even just that. And Tyros says this on on the show, you know, Jay's personality was everything. So a lot of times, you know, with those guys, you know, our fabulous gay guy friends, I call him, you know, gay bees, you know, our babies better gay. We literally morph into them. If you're a writer, we're like, you know, we got all the lingo down because they're like, yes, Missy, what I would like, yes, Missy, like, I, like,

you learned a lot. We literally wanted to be like, I wanted to be Missy, I wanted to walk the streets of New York and be like, yes, I am everything. And yes, you know what I mean? So it was all of that and I felt like, you know, Tyros said that like when she did that meeting, she would in there and just walked in there like Miss Jay and talk like Miss Jay and like, because that was that extra level of confidence that I was talking about earlier that you just go in and just

on the room. So tell me about when you asked Miss Jay to do Atlanta, when was that and was

“that during pop model? Okay, it was during top and model, I think, are really right after it”

because he was definitely super famous for being on that show at that point. I basically asked him,

if he would come and teach a walking class because I just opened up my school at the time, the Bailey agency school of fashion and he agreed to come and they showed us having lunch with me telling him all about school and then he bring in him over to school to meet my students. Amazing. Wait, can you find out what year Jay was done and then this filming? Because I have a, yeah, I was actually just DMing with Jay. I actually got to give him a call. You were. I was, I was because one of our

mutual friends reached out to me about starting to go funny for Miss Jay because he is still recovering. You know, he could walk. He can talk, you know, for a long time and I had heard about it, but he kept it very private and even the person that told me was like, don't say anything. So

I never addressed it. I talked about it and I called him about it because that wasn't supposed to

know. And I had a respect for his privacy. Of course. It was his story to tell. I wasn't going to say anything. So with that said, when I posted his go find me and thank you everyone that donated to Jay's go find me. I, you know, thank you for, you know, just given what you, you can because I, I know that like regardless of, you know, people like what he's on TV, he's at the audience. Money, what does he need to go find me? Because when you are hospitalized for months or months at a time,

it was a year and a half. Even if you have money, that money is going to be soaked up real quick. And then you once you leave the hospital, you still have to have care. You know, a nurse, he couldn't walk. He couldn't like, you know what I mean? He's still learning all that stuff. Like even now, he's not just, you know, he's not back. He's still struggling. And yes, he can get with a cane or whatever he's using to get to a chair to do an interview. But you guys don't walk it,

watching him walk to how he got to that place. He just sent down. So he's still recovering from all of that. You know, I just wanted to show support in that way. But they're like, well, why didn't you, why did you go visit him? I'm like, I didn't know. And then when I did know, it wasn't, I wasn't invited. You know what I mean? Like, I was, it was at a respect for his privacy. And as soon as he put it out there, I was like, how can I help? All right, let me put this up.

“Well, made a donation. You know, that's that's awesome. That's what I did. So it's the right thing to do.”

Okay. But I love, I love Miss Jay. It was, it was amazing for him to come on to the show.

And, and just, you know, show, show me love. I was like, I got this jam. Yeah, this is like the Bailey, it just is, is official. I got Miss Jay off in your teaching. He's girls on a walk. So that was a big, that was a big moment for him and for a real housewives of Atlanta to have him on here. Oh, yeah. Okay. We're going to find it today. Miss Jay was on in 2012. But season was at Atlanta. Let me check right now. But he was his final season of America's next top model was 2011.

So this would have been right after he left the show. Oh, wow. So he finished like 2011 at

the exact time of what this documentary really is about when they left, when they got fired. Did you have any indication? No, no, no, not at all. I didn't, you know what, I, you know, Jay,

“and I honestly had a professional working relationship. He was just a colleague, a mine.”

We'd never really, you know, you guys were together. Yeah, we didn't, that didn't cross those lines.

And he didn't, you know, I didn't ask, you know, like, what's going on with this that and the other, we didn't have that type of relationship where he would just come and tell me like any extra tea like that. Right, right, right. This was season four. Sorry, guys. You're season four. Oh, wow. That was like the year after my first season, because I came on season three. That's like peak peak Atlanta. I mean, a lot of people

watched to watch that. Oh, yeah. No, it was, it was, it was big. And everyone's been sending it to me. And, you know, I actually posted it when when I put together his girlfriend. So how is he doing?

“What's the, like, the latest? I think he's, I know they've been out there on a press tour.”

Yes, yes, yes. I think he's still okay. I think he's still like I said, he's got a ways to go. But he can talk now. He's able to walk. He can't walk like he used to walk. But I think he's still recovering. And I think that, I mean, I commend him for putting himself out there. Like he was a big part of that show. And he deserves to get to have his voice heard and, you know, be a part of the press and the interview process. I'm just talking about it and sharing his story with show.

Yeah. All right. We have a question from Darious from Newark who asked Cynthia, if you had the chance to make the Bailey agency a show, would you do it and how would you do it differently?

I absolutely would do it. I think the timing is is right for it right now. And I always could see it

being a reality show to be honest. But when I was on a reality show, it was just too much. Like I, I couldn't do, like I couldn't even be open to it. You know, when I was like full-time with housewives, but definitely something that has come up quite a bit and quite a few meetings. A lot of interest. And you can only imagine how much interest is buzzing around it right now. So it is something that I am thinking about. I was thinking about bringing back the school anyway. And if I

“did do it, I mean, it would just make sense to just go ahead and film it. You know what I mean?”

Can I be your creative director? Of course. Okay, great to let me. I don't know what I'm doing, but what I want to be. I'll just be your, I'll be your frompy bodyguard, whatever you want. I'll take any position. And then one more, one more question from Ryan. Based on your experience, filming reality TV, what Jay Manwell was describing of filming with Tyra and being all bubbly and then the moments the camera's turned off. It just being ice cold. Is that something that

is common and that you have had experience with? Or is that something that truly is like one of a kind with Tyra? Okay. Well, that's a little messy question. Okay. And you're gonna answer it. And I'm gonna answer it. Okay, so I will say this. When you are, you know, obviously Tyra's, you know, she's the face of the show. So her image is very important on the show, obviously. And part of that is being likable. You know what I mean? You got to like her to like

the show. You know what I mean? So with that said, I could say where she would be super conscious how she was on camera, for sure. And then how she really is is what it is. But what is it, Cynthia? Well, I mean, I, I, okay, I know Tyra. I have been around Tyra. I have been dinners with Tyra.

I have hung out with Tyra. For me personally, and I'm just gonna be honest. I've never had an issue

with her person. But I've never worked for her. You know, I was never a part of her show. I didn't know her in that capacity. Like, I probably saw her never really saw her during the time when she was really doing that show. I just knew her as a model. And she was cool. She was cool. Like she really was. But again, I didn't have that kind of relationship with her. I'm not saying if I work for the woman, I've maybe would see a different side. But we didn't have that kind of relationship.

Well, before the documentary, I mean, I don't think it's an unknown thing. I mean, she had a reputation. It was like not being misvably person out. You know, and kind of a diva. I just remember watching her. I went to a taping of dancing with the stars. Because my friend was on it.

resonate with her. But she was like not connecting with anyone else on stage. Like it was

her filming it. And then off. And then she's like, where you could feel like all the judges were talking and chatting and did it, uh, just definitely on her own. And I remember feeling like, how do you like just almost like, not like, oh, like so negative about her? It was just like, how did she do a job when she can't connect with anyone? Like, how could I go to set every day? The whole audience is there. The judges are there. The dances are there. And like, she looked like she was on an island. Well, that's

probably why she only lasted a year for that very reason. You know, that's the thing. That's all I saw in it. I was like, wow, she's really like, not engaged with anybody. Yeah. I remember watching a couple episodes of it when she was a host. And I've seen her like, she's such a hard worker or perfectionist. Like, I know how her brain works when she sets out to do a job, especially if it's like something big like that. I just don't think she was the right person for it. It just was not in her will house.

I think what's all the other things that she is super qualified to do. Right? She's going to kill

“the notoriously responsible runway like that's what she just shuts it down. I personally feel like the”

hosting part, especially for that specifically, not for her. It just wasn't her. Yeah, not everyone could do everything. I mean, that's a lot of stuff she's good at, but I just didn't feel like that was kind of hard to watch. Yeah. So I'm going to pivot. We're going to close it out with Beverly Hills, because, you know, whatever. Because I have this. Whatever. I mean, because I very much look forward to talking about Atlanta because your trailer dropped. Woo, did you want to think about the trailer?

I'm ready. I literally said to somebody on the other day, I'm like, April cannot come soon enough. I'm very excited to watch. And I think also because like, I got to know Portia a little bit better. I've been watching Potomac reunion. Oh, yes. What? Okay, I have questions for you. Now, what were your thoughts on Potomac reunion? First of all, then we get to Atlanta. So because I've

never really watched Potomac, I don't have back history, but the fact that I'm so engaged at this reunion

“shows it's like these girls are on fire. So I really like Ashley Darby as a person. I think she's”

normal, but like man, she's I think she's very good at like scurting the issues. She is like smiles, you know, she's she's kind of like Stacy, like she's a KVC host, right? Like she smiles right through everyone's attacking her. She's like, oh, I'm just going to laugh and get go it off. Like, you know, right, or it's like she, but she's in the hot seat. She had a lot of, she had a lot of things to answer to. She like kind of alluded to the fact that she did more than what she

actually did with women's son. Cherice. Yeah, Cherice is son because even turf, they she was like during a scene, like, are you okay if it was more than kissing? But then, then she's like, oh, we only kissed. So I'm like, oh, so she's just being kind of performative, but her way of like not owning out to. She was like, oh, yeah, I don't think she ever answered. Then she was saying yes or no. No, she said they only kissed. Okay, okay. But they were,

that's where they called. They're all like, well, why did you act like you did more? It's like, right, you know? So I think that's just like a lesson and like how to get away with things. Like, wow, it's really. And also just plan the game. Like, okay, you guys go, like, this is like, everyone's talking about it. So I know. She kind of drew it out. There was a lot going on, but I think the, what I'm most interested in is Wendy. The Wendy stuff is really it's coming up

along with Karen. I think the third part is going to be really good. So that's coming out this week. And I'm very excited for it. I just think that they're just a firecrackery group. Oh, the, the two girls, there's the British girl and the one next to her, the one next to her. She's really the hot sea. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Is it okay? Are you talking about the lady that was sitting next to Stacey? Because that's the next to Stacey was Ashley. And then the woman next to Ashley is like,

that's okay. That's okay. Yeah. How do people feel about it? It looked so beautiful. Yeah. But you know what? I, I like Kay. Okay. I like Kay. I don't think she had the best season. It started out like

she was going to have a good season, but I don't know. I, I like her. I thought she looked amazing.

“I think the girls don't like her. That's what I read from just watching the audience,”

but who am I? I don't know. I go, let's wrap it up Beverly Hills. So I found out that. That was an

it. But it's trying to do her a lot. So all I can say is like, people are asking me, how come we never

see that new girl Natalie Fuller? Natalie Fuller. Well, that's a good question. Like she came in, she did, but so apparently they brought her on because the girls were not liking Amanda. Okay. Okay. So they were really putting other eggs in it. The Amanda basket is obviously not going well because the storyline is absolutely the same. It's still still talking about her business. 10 episodes in, right? Like they don't trust her. So they apparently brought Natalie into whatever,

but apparently do not go well either. So they're just like cutting her out. I don't know. Because you never see her. She's been there for like five episodes. So how does this work? Okay. So, well, you know how this is, if someone comes in mid season, it's because they're there to shake it up.

And that didn't happen. Well, you never see her. So she's, I don't think she's coming back either.

“But I think, what's she like a friend? Yeah, she's a friend. Oh, good friend.”

But maybe they brought her in full time, but then became a friend. You know, they was kind of label you after you film. I think the show is leaning into Rachel's. Oh, I think she's the new star. I think she's going to be set her diamond one day. However, Rachel needs to know. Out the Rachel. I know Rachel a little bit. Your first season has been a hit. I roll loves you because like she obviously knows how to do reality. Like she's done it for many years.

But this show is not the Rachel's show. It's Beverly Hills. And she's going to do sort of fighting. Yeah. They're not going to let her get away with being the superstar next year. No, I feel like they gave her grace to season. They did because they really excited about her. And she needs to write Amanda. Thank you note for being a part of the cast. Because I think they were so busy, not like in Amanda. They did that part. Rachel, even though they liked Rachel anyway.

“But it just, yes, more so. Yes. I think they were really excited. Have Rachel. I think she”

breaks sort of a credibility to Beverly Hills. For sure. She is like, when you think of Beverly Hills housewives, like why not have Rachel zo? She's perfect. Along with the fact that Amanda was like, you know, how Lamanna was. Yeah. It's not going to be like that over year for Rachel. Yeah. But she also knows that. Yes. But she also knows that because she's a seasoned reality star. Yeah. I think she'll be ready. Yeah. She'll be ready for next year. I'm ready for her.

And she'll be back. Well, we're going to, what were we going to do? There was big news. I'm going to get news news. Let's, let's finish with that one. Oh my goodness. Breaking news. I

think this is our first breaking news announcement in the middle of a podcast. Can we do breaking news

statement? Absolutely. Well, you guys asked. Well, I think I started asking first. You guys and me and Crystal, Crystal and that bagged ass big stock. All of the things in our prayers

“have been answered. Guess who is coming to home? Well, brand. Who is it Cynthia Bailey?”

Wait, if you scream too loud, it went silent. Sorry. Say it again. Do not get rid of that. That wasn't saying. You screamed too loud. The mic literally silenced itself. Too loud. You can't. Okay. All right. I can't scream. Oh my god. That was great. Kathy. Ireland. This company. The goat is coming to humble break in here. We, I'm going to give her my chair. Stop this woman down. You guys helped us. And she heard you guys. And she is coming.

She's going to sit in this chair on my left. Oh, my last studio. I'm flying. My happy ass to LA to make sure that I am in person. Yes, you are. To be there for that interview. Oh my god, are we going to be like billionaires out for this? I know. I already feel richer. I know. I know that she's coming. Okay, so you know what you guys give us questions for her because I'm going to, this is going to be, I mean, you saw like how I was when Octavia came. So, you know, this is going to be crazy

because I've been following Kathy Ireland for a long time. And for me, she is the blueprint of like business wise. How I kind of want to like move and, you know, like move in silence and just be secretly quietly rich living in Santa Barbara next to Oprah. You know what I'm saying? I do know what you're saying. You're picking out a point now. No, for real. This woman is the ultimate entrepreneur. And if you guys have any questions, please send them our way because we will ask them on your

behalf. She is going to be a wealth of knowledge. She's been doing this for so long. And my god, and she's been doing this through so many different seasons. Okay, okay, I like this.

because you're going to want to see the very end of it. You're going to see Cynthia, the goat

“Bailey's and her body. It's not going to be next week, but she's coming. We got her. She's coming.”

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