Be Free, Be Yourself, and Be Crazy with Will Ferrell

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Still have feelings for you This episode is brought to you by Chase home lending Hey, little girl. Hi, Craig. How are you? I'm really fine. I'm excited. That's good now We will caution our listeners. You do have a bit of a cough and I do I have an allergy cough But we're we're narrowing down. They could be an air conditioning cough, so

So I either need a scar. Oh, maybe I'll put my hood on don't do that Don't do that because you'll get makeup on your hood. Oh, that's right You can make up on your head. You're not used to

“I'm not used to it and why don't we give our listeners little inside baseball on what?”

Unchanging when you have makeup on my strategy of using You know, I think you know again. You think it's a new strategy Yeah, women we've been doing this our whole lives, but please share as if you've discovered air so I went home after one of my early tapings in season one and there was makeup all over my shirts and my wife Kelly said

Hey, what happened here? And I was like, oh, I was changing my shirt and got makeup on it She was like, oh, let me give you a little a little hint Use a shower cap put it over your head and face. Take your shirt off put it back on Wow, great. Tell us more

It worked really. Yes, I never thought of that unless you're in show business or something

How would you know that being a woman or a woman?

“But a guy you have to know. Yeah, I know, but that's why I'm saying see when men discover something”

They talk about it like I just figured this out. Oh, yeah Thank you listeners some inside baseball and how Craig discovered how to deal with makeup Craig Robinson, thank you for sharing. I'm my pleasure. I've let it Well, we've got a fun fun conversation happening one of my favorite

comedians one of my favorite people on TV I will talk about this, but my favorite movie on the planet of All-time the only movie that I watch again and again and again. This man was in we'll talk about it when he comes on But I don't I don't think I've ever told him. Oh, okay. All right, so I know what it is

But I want to introduce our guest Will Ferrell. Alright. Will Ferrell is an acclaimed actor writer and producer behind some of Films most iconic comedies and the seven years Saturday night lives stand out widely regarded as one of the show's greatest cast members. He is also the co-founder of Gloria Sanchez productions this summer

He will start in the first scripted comedy series the Hawk for Netflix which you and I both watch the first two episodes

And we're cracking out and in which he plays a fictional golf legend, which this will be interesting because I'm not a golfer as you know, okay. Let's get him over here without further ado Mr. Will Ferrell So you're also going to get a little brother and sister dynamic where there's only just a little edge of arguing Underneath right, okay, yes, it's just a little edge of my big brother

And by the way Craig, I didn't know about the shower cap Thank you Thank you another And why would he know Craig? You know why you know business Well, no because my mother would give her the shower cap every Christmas a new shower cap

For the reason it's just described it's like honey, so she was way ahead of the curve Yeah, she raised you to be an independent man right knowing about

“Haven't met, but we were in the same place together, okay at one of the White House parties right and I want to see if you remember this because I think that you were doing this on purpose, but”

My wife is like No, is he and you were walking around the White House with the

And I said do you remember that do you remember I'm doing all I'm trying to I'm trying to piece it together

“I could never forget it because I know it was you when I have a witness to go right with it and I was like”

He's doing some sort of gag or bit of it is before I knew a bit was right now that I was a term bit means So I wouldn't have said bit back then, but I know that's what I meant and You had the straight face you were dressed like you had come to a party, right? It was a part, it was a part of people that you've been to those parties. You said not one word to anybody for the time that I saw you Not one word and everybody's talking the music's going and you had the straight face and

I looked over at my wife and I was like see this is why the students the funny student are all right Are you getting credit for being funny with out? I know I was just having just no chancey gardener No, I don't know what you're talking about. Okay. I wouldn't know that's fine. I think I was just literally being A visit is nervous. Okay. Okay, okay, okay, okay, okay? Conspiracy

On the white fair now checking out wallpaper. This makes it even bad. Thank you for being here. Oh my god

“My pleasure. Thanks for having me. I love what you've done”

I'm done with the place It's what you think. I mean you you're in this business. All right, you know what what do you think about yeah? No, no, set this eye You know atmospheres atmospheres looks like there's a feel like we're at home at the kitchen table I'm sponsored by Plezi. Oh

Good, I pointed that out. That is a pleasure. It's like yeah. Yeah. It's a good drink hydration drink

I hope it is. Yeah, it's awesome. It's amazing. It's amazing

But it's good to have you here. I was saying that at my team didn't realize this When we were just sitting down getting ready for you to come because I don't know if I and said that because we They were saying that you'd left saturday night live. Yeah, one of the reasons was because you have you you knew this project about Santa Claus and that you know you the idea about what was it sort of what was I I left I'd been there seven years

“And you know, you you always you know, you have to”

You have to leave at some point unless you're keen and he's still there. He does it And he's literally the only one who could pull it off and still be there and you've loved seeing him every time Yeah, now Short of sort of keen and you yeah, you are thinking about a time up like When's a when's a good moment to fly the coop so to speak and it just felt like I'd had enough moment

But it's not like I had a stack of scripts waiting for me, but we were developing this one movie about a human who was raised by elves at the North Pole and it was um

It was an amazing concept, but it needed a lot of work and so we kind of rewrote the whole thing and

But that but it But it's such an interesting Thing to have become what it's become I know only because Two weeks of film. I'm sitting in New York in my little tiny trailer

because That was one of my first bigger movies, but it was still a little tiny trailer Looking in the mirror dressed as buddy the elf and my yellow tights going What did I what was I think? But literally buddy

This could be the this could be it. This could be the end right here. This is either a home run or a complete strikeout And people would be like what happened to the guy on the snow is pretty funny So I had no idea that we had like lightning in a bottle, but we we did it is my favorite movie of all time

I mean it really is I I don't rewatch movies, yeah, but it it is hilarious every other second of and it is so

Sweet and right, it just does all the things it presses all the buttons So whenever I want to feel better I know literally and then I make other people watch it with me So that is the way here. Oh my god The angry oh, you know, yeah, so it was a it's a thank you. It is a thing for a reason and you know the level of sweetness and

All that how do you how do you like for a character like buddy Do you know what, you know you want to do with him before you put on that L costume and those types because we shot we shot We shot buddy discovering New York all the exterior stuff first

So I had to quickly figure out and and the game that we and we kind of

“Figure it out at the script level, but that okay, so what?”

What what is the essence of this guy and I think he has to be the the kind of mundane world that we take for granted He has to think it's the greatest Experience ever and and that's when I wrote the job. I was like, you know those those just bodega type coffee shop I was the same like world's back top of coffee He literally thinks that's the truth. Yeah, so that when we burst in like congratulations you did it and then, you know

Already all the staff looking at me like what but you know You know don't don't eat candy when you go and him discovering the gum and like I can't resist it and And it's just like yeah, getting it off but not knowing that a taxi cab the yellow ones won't stop So just like the wonderment and I have to and I was like, oh, just I'm gonna I'm gonna lock into that and just He's just gonna be it's gonna be wondrous to him and and and then I just built upon that

But it was like it was like hurry up and figure this guy out. Wait Is it's life or yes

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“What are some of your favorite family traditions that we used to do you remember when dad used to make peppered steak?”

Yeah, that would be the one time he cooked and once a year and he would make apple pie So you know, so mom wouldn't touch pie, but dad made the apple pie and but he he would make the pepper steak once a year And he make apple pie once a year He made apple pie a few times a year, but the fact that dad would cook that would typically came at special milestone I loved

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So the real will thorough right right here like the guy that you know is not a character You know, it's just a man trying to walk around the white house looking at stuff without people thinking he's doing a bit Poor guy you don't have the laugh at her. Don't have the laugh at her. Don't you don't you don't have New I was gonna like you when I was doing the research and I found out what a terrific athlete you were yes

I have no idea Are you doing that terrific athletes for Rific a three sport athlete for oh

“What are you talking soccer? Oh, you can have that ball. What's the for football?”

You play. Oh, you were kicker. I was a good one. See that's great. I'm gonna. Oh, we forgot about it Yeah, but you were captain of the basketball team. I was as the six man. Oh now. You know, that's a lot real leaders Yes, that's as a lot Because yeah, to usually your captain is your best player and rarely is your best player the six man although the sixth man gets to take more shots than the stars. Guess how much I averaged my senior year

How much my point point average 13 1.25 no way. Yes, that makes it even better. I only average like two points a game

unselfish unselfish player today. I could set a mean screen

How much did the locker room help your comedy?

“Well, I think all of high school was form. I mean whether it was the locker room whether it was the classroom”

Whether I I was benefited from a really funny group of friends I used I was I described myself as a conscientious class clown because my my mom's in education So I like respected the teachers, but I would like I'd goof around to a point if I got the eye Be like you got it no problem. I'll shut it down Keep keep talking

No, I'm enjoying the lecture. Yeah, no, all right, so I would like I would know how to tip to up to the line to where

the administration The vice we would work out bit during the school assembly where I could make fun of the vice principal And he was like, hey, let's do that thing and you make fun of me and I'll give you a look And so we would we would we would do we would do sketches Yeah, I do we do morning radio announcements that were so it was already like the beginning

of You know, this is really fun, but but I didn't dare dream yet because I grew up in Intertente my dad was it was a musician and I saw how Up and down that was it was an any musician. No, yeah, he played with the righteous brothers and toward around But he had a lot of like piano bars and and You know cocktail lounges where he'd have a gig for six months

And then is that got to find a new gig? I'm like, why would happen like nothing? Yeah, they're done And I'm like, I just remember thinking, oh, I'm gonna get a real job. Yeah, I don't know what that is But I'm gonna carry a briefcase and I'm gonna work in an office. Did you did you feel it did it feel Unstable in the household because of your dad's sort of up and down in an out little little. I mean, my voice my my folks divorced At a pretty early age. I mean, they did a they did a really good job of kind of co-parenting

But yeah, they were you know, they tried to make my brother and I feel as Kind of middle-class as we could But they were they were like if I knew I needed new basketball shoes we were gonna take all Saturday To comparison shop. Yeah

“But I think I can go another month, even though there's a hold my dad would take us to like nine different places”

And I thought it was such a drag. I looked back on it now. I was like no, he's teaching us the bow You know the dollar. Yeah, and yeah, and Really wise in a way, but a bomber when you're 15. Yeah, 40. Yeah, but yeah, but yeah, so I saw how oh This is very much living hand-of-mouth and why my mom was putting herself through school graduate school and So yeah, I saw I saw that that was like I

Want more stability, so so I thought I was gonna be like a sportscaster. I love sports So I thought the merge the merge of two things would be I'd be talking head on ESPN So your your dinner table that you were growing up in What did that feel like was there funny there?

“Did you save the funny for school or were was your mother also?”

Yes, we're getting on her nerves to probably both she's funny in her own way my dad obviously Being an entertain he had a My my mom and dad came from a small the same small town Where was they they know each other since the second grade and a

Rono Crapeds North Carolina, so he she would tell so he was always the prankster growing up in school

That sort of thing so dad was her and my mom had this Really sliced and so humor and this and that so so yeah, I think there was always Us my brother and I put in a little shows in the living room and Trying to be funny and being funny amongst her friends and I think that's like Your first comedy crowd is are your friends and then you kind of advance into

Going to parties Walking around a room not looking at anyone No, but we would go to we would go to go to high school parties and mess with other like we didn't go to really party

Taking stuff out of the freezer of some ones and microwaving meat and like

“Okay, oh no, the kid who was feeling like what are you doing?”

Like what someone told us to start emptying the freezer like just random crazy stuff like why Did someone told us to defrost all the meat in your freezer? I'm sorry Were we not supposed to know like yeah, and then we would just create havoc and then we go to another part like we just threw the weirdest dumbest stuff Many were in your little like four five. Yeah, yeah, and we were like that was pretty funny

That one that works let's do that, but not other people who didn't know us aren't really laughing We're just like I'm using ourselves and yeah, just indulging that that part of your brain Well, how were you with the girls being so obnoxious? That worked for a while. I was a late bloomer No one wants the funny guy really yeah that comes later. That comes later. Yeah, but

“Back to team sports. Yeah, there was something about like and I think that's why I”

Loved I when I started kind of Exploring comedy and it started with a little bit of standup, and then I found the groundlings out here in L.A Which is a big sketch comedy theater that tons of people would come out of I loved the form of sketch. I loved the team and that's and that's what I loved about SNL that's what I love about movie making that's what I love about all the stuff is that you're

You're working on a team mm-hmm and and I told I would I told the writers my first year on the show

Because I'd seen some of the cast members get offended if their part was too small Mm-hmm and I would pull that right and I'm gonna I don't care if I have one line Mm-hmm if you need me to deliver a pizza in a sketch. Yeah, because I'll try to make it funny Yeah, and and give me that one line. Give me if it's off camera and you need someone just yelling something I'll figure it out like just and then and then and then you know

Ingracing your aiding yourself in that way and it was like usually a bonus just walking to a scene and say one stupid thing and then walk out I'd either at least make my fellow cast members laugh Yeah, yeah, but yeah, but but that team thing You know what at what point were you like, okay, I'm gonna give this a try It was I was taking classes at the ground. I was working my way up through so they have a school that you do all this training

But and then they start putting you in they have like their their minor league team, which is the Sunday show Okay, and then you have the main company, which is Friday and Saturday nights to show four shows a week And I was I was really in joy. I was kind of I was like got this just feels right. So I went to lunch with my dad

“I was like dad I really want to give this a shot. What do you think?”

And he Excuse me to the state he gave me the best show biz advice ever. He was like if it was based on talent I wouldn't I wouldn't worry about you You're I'm he's like I've seen like I'm gonna tell you you've got talent but there's so much luck Yeah, and

Give it a shot, but don't get discouraged if you get down the road and you're like This is just too hard you didn't fail. Yeah, you tried and just you're capable to just pivot and do something else Yeah, and walk and so Even though that's not like a raw raw speech it took the pressure Oh, God yeah, and I thought well, I'm not gonna make it anyway. Let's have fun. Yeah, and it just allowed me to be loose and

There's still was there still was luck, but yeah, yeah, you know what was the first lucky break for you?

The first kind of lucky break was I Had a week out here in LA where I but I had grown my hair out for some I was doing like a one-iron like the girl like the girl Yeah, during semi-prote. And Chris thought that it was like is that it's real hair? Yeah, that's a really yeah, yeah, that's we're like that. That's we're like that. Yeah, right. So I had that link pair for this this play I was doing okay, and

I went on I got three different parts on sitcoms in one week I booked a living single and I booked a race under fire. Uh-huh, and I booked The George went show which was oh yeah after he less left cheers He tried to shoot yeah, and I might have booked another one anyway. It was like Bam bam bam. They were all one one line. Uh-huh. Yeah, and this is before us and I'll and I got my sad card

And it was like

So cool and validating and then

Six weeks later We were getting we got the word that SNL was gonna go through a real change Who was on at the time? That was the year before I got there was the last year for Sander and Farley and still hard to take part in like myers and That whole entire crew. They were only keeping 10 matters Molly Shannon norm McDonald's David Spade

Uh-huh, and that they were gonna do a nationwide search for a brand new casting groundlings was on the list and So did you know they were When they were there scouting you we knew they were in the audience the night they could Came and it was a really great everyone got to pick like their favorite scotch and then

Because I was willing to write with everyone. Oh, they encouraged that encourage everyone to write with it I was in Three other sketches that were other people's favorites. So I had like four sketches and Yeah, myself Sharia Terry Jenner for Coolidge. Yeah. Oh, yeah, and

And Chris Katan we're all flown out to New York for that first round of auditions and then

So what would be a what are the auditions like when you got very eduless very like like it was like pick a Character of your choice a political impersonation if you do one a celebrity impersonation if you do it do one Five to eight minutes long or if you don't do any of that be funny That was it wow On in the SNL studio on the spot where the host delivers the monologue. That's crazy with the camera and like one spot light

And a disinterested guy holding like a boom like like

“What that feeling of a you nerd where you just over the moon nervous. Are you kidding me?”

Yeah, I Literally was standing so then you stand out You're standing outside the stage doors by the page desk and you're waiting I'm hearing the audition and in front of me, but I'm looking on the walls of all the Coast of that year. Oh, man and past cast members and everything and I literally remember I'm thinking

You could just run right now Remember what you dad said could just get right now elevator and go right back and say Yeah, and then as they were the door flew up and are like too late. Well next and then you just have to step up there and it was like do you remember what you did yeah I did

I did this character that made it on the first show this guy who's yelling at his kids to get off the shed

Which is so weird to talk about Yeah, I'm it's like a dad and a barbeque who was just talking about school and golf and this and that and then he's like hey, but hey, buddy I'm gonna do me a favor and get off the shed But we don't see what the shed is it's just like a gardening shed or I'm back to the company anyway Yeah, hey

What I say Get off the shed Anyway, so Yeah, I took my car and get off the shed

“Did it and so it was just a game of like you know the first thing I think going back and then the the people around me like getting so nervous”

That was one thing I did that I did Harry carry oh, yeah at a play reading doing a play reading of like Which was a sketch I'd written at the ground During the baseball strike That Harry Harry was on point so now I was doing a play. Oh, but it was a it was a it was a it was a emotionally rot

like like Eugene O'Neal Type like Damn it Carol What happened to us

Like who's afraid of Virginia? I thought was still love the show You're breaking my heart look at me don't turn away I still have Felix for you So I did that

It's dark you know what's laughing

“Oh, man, Lauren's in the back of the room. Oh, you know, yeah, you know, you know, let's say you've been no feedback no feedback and then I did I think I did like”

Ted Kennedy doing stand-up comedy. I don't know. Oh, oh, what did that sound like it was What did I do like

But I would do Ted Kennedy like this and

What did that check and say as a gloss throughout now? I don't know because like I'm doing that Yeah, and that was That was it but and then you left And then you had no idea how long did it take for them to get back to you? We like we kind of heard after the fact like the groundlings had done really well Okay, so there was a little bit of and then flew back to LA

But once again at that time I was doing I'd got great advice. I was doing a class which was a cold reading class Which is you just show up and they're just like they hand you script that this guy in Tucker

“I think is last name great teacher and it was just it was such a cool class because you had to get out of your head and you just been like”

You play Sam you play Barbara go and you just had to like

Be in the moment and and so after class one day I'm like and guess what I got an SNL edition he went

You did what oh no good He got it was a little too He's like whoa and I go I go because he had worked with Lisa Cudro and From friend and he worked with the club a couple of and like Do you have

He's like wow okay just you know what once again. He took the pressure off. He's like You're just throwing darts at the dartboard here treat it if you can as a trip to New York Have a great time yeah If nothing happens and it you know you can at least come back and maybe have a meeting with an agent say hey I got to audition for us and I like it's still a cool thing. Yeah, okay. Okay. Let's just treat it that way so

Then they so they they did call back all the ground. We had to do a second audition In which you sat down with Laura Michaels first. Yeah, you came up for two days and then he had me change everything I'd already write my audition the night before Well, what did how do you get that feedback you you sat with these like what do you what are you thinking about doing tomorrow and and you

I'd always heard in callbacks for network tea like just do the thing you've been doing

“Because that's what brought you there and just keep don't try to change anything”

And so we said what what are you thinking about for tomorrow like all I'm gonna I'm thinking I'm gonna do this I'm gonna say like no I wouldn't I wouldn't do that no no no no. The only thing is like okay Do the get off the shed thing again In hindsight what he was he's doing a favor because he knew The executives in Burbank were watching and he wanted me to just show your rain

Exactly, yeah, so There I was sweating it and now out in my tiny New York, you know hotel room trying to figure out what I was gonna do And then that's when I did on this audition tape there there's you can look it up. I I'm a guy who plays with cat toys. I don't know if you ever seen this I would look it up. It was you guys with cat toys. I did that. I was like

Think of the stage. Well, no, it was another sketch. I don't think we're all okay. Okay. Okay. I got you And then um, so I did I just tried a couple other different things and then then I then I really had no idea But then a couple weeks went by and then I heard they were gonna come see us at the show and then

“What was it like say down before Michael's what was what was he like that first meeting?”

Were you just scared out of your barn was very yes? In fact he he thinks the story is so funny now But I'd read a story how Adam Sallar had Done some crazy bit And had a five minute meeting and was hired on the spot and I thought well that's

Be free be yourself and just be be crazy and you'll get so My my version of crazy I bought a whole bunch of fake money from a novelty store And I was gonna I had a briefcase and I was gonna let him talk and I was just gonna start piling money on his desk It was like alarm We can keep talking till the cows come home

But we know what really talks money And I'm gonna stack this money up Oh, it is bad carpet my boy money. I like And no one's gonna know you can take it or leave it It's up to you and then I was gonna pack up my thing and walk out and that was gonna be my meeting

I walk in there with my briefcase and and the atmosphere is like not that no So you didn't even get to do it. I thought what comedian walks in with the briefcase I'm not my little briefcase and I'm like Okay, so don't do that. Okay, throw out my entire edition Okay, and then I'm leaving going

It thinks I'm I have a brief I have like what?

Even Steve Higgins who was hired as the new boost still there today

“Lauren was like steep. Do you have anything you want to ask what he's like nice briefcase?”

I'm like yeah, thanks You have no idea But when I finally Lauren wanted me to meet with me again and they were very vague as to why it was the meeting where he told me I got it Okay, so then I was passing my apartment on here and I was like

Damn it I'm bringing the briefcase back I'm gonna show him I'm gonna stack them on I'm gonna do it. I'm this time. I'm doing it I walk I walk and the assistant goes you can leave your briefcase. Oh my god. Okay So we sit down you has to you know Lauren Lauren can be up to set times and I didn't even know I had the job Is and he's like so have you ever lived in New York? I go no no no thanks for small talk

But yeah, it'd be fine though. Well, we're bringing Sherry so you won't be alone and I'm like what do you mean? I won't be alone. What? Yeah, what it's like I think you know Since you guys know each other so Sherry was at the ground at least two and we worked together there to and I'm like What do you mean? So I won't be alone

The meeting and then and then I got self conscious that I didn't leap up out of my chair and so He's like so anyway And like oh, and I started like Thank you so much and I'm like I was like well, I'm gonna

“I'm gonna shake your hand and he goes do what you have to do”

Then I leave and I I'm like oh my god, I got to call you know, I got to call my folks I got to I got to find a pay phone you're right really for yourself. Young people. Yeah, that's the thing I got to make it a daily morning. I found one on Melrose I like I grabbed my briefcase and then now everyone in the office is like Going can't wait a go. They have to keep it a secret and I go hold on

I've been trying to give this fake money to him twice were you just give it to him and say This is what I was trying to do is gonna stack all this fake money He got it later. He thought it was so funny that I tried twice Still didn't later Do you have a favorite

“character? I mean, I know everybody has theirs of yours, but of all the many”

Character you played is their one that you know, it's like they're all like my children But you all everyone has a favorite. That's true. No Do I have a fake I I'm lucky enough to To when people come up and bring up various things. It's it's so fun to hear

What their kind of favorite movie is and I'm lucky enough to have you know I've worked on enough of these movies that for whatever reasons Have you know landed hit the zeitgeist in the right way the one I mean

Salad didn't digonites was so much fun. That's where John and I first got to work at and then we got to do stepbrothers

So those characters are near and dear to my heart and then The probably the silly I tend to land on the square of Ron Burgundy and anchor man all the Because that was super hard to get made it was we we had so many rejections because we were like I don't get why this will be funny and we're like just Trust yeah, it's just buffoonish Guys and and

And it's not so much it's a little bit satirical. It's more sticker than we ever thought but And now it's just really what the news is like but But that was such a struggle and we finally got

To make it and it felt like we were playing with the house's money and we're just like we never thought we could to make this

So let's make it as crazy as we can. Yeah, so That one's from Burgundy's pretty great. Yeah I've lived in quite a few major cities over the years and I've always loved how much each one change whenever a big event came to town All of a sudden Chicago would be filled with music lovers or film officianatos or of course People dying to see the cubs win and in those moments it can suddenly be quite difficult for visitors to find a place to stay

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Where in your journey I did she did she show up? We were in an acting program down in orange count at here in California And so part of so when I graduate from college I immediately moved back home At a lot going on A lot of prospects I moved back home because I thought okay, I might get tried the sports casting thing, but I

The comedy thing, you know, so I'm trying to I'm working at like a local cable newspaper station I'm also doing some stand-up comedy and My my mom says That's okay, you can move let's just treat this as you could grab your school. You're a gap here. Yeah, and And she gives me a gift of a scene study class it's the first acting club and as there's a great theater

Down in Orange County called South Coast Repertory Theater. It's a Tony award winning and we had grown up there going to see plays My mom would be a dosen from time, you know She'd take us we were like 10 years old are watching check off going I don't know what's going on, but It looks like it's good

And they had a summer conservatory program and I thought oh What I should audition for this and anyway that's where I meet There they go, so she was in the same program and We were both

Routy frat guy

“Can you can't I were because I kind of was yeah like I think what I think the only thing that evidence that was I wore my hat backwards one”

Okay, she was like uh-huh, I know your type Oh, I really and then I thought she was some area died stuck up actor's girl and So you did you saw her I saw her she stood right away. I think I think she auditioned after I did because I think We were I was like who's this girl in the hallway going She was practicing doing vocals. I was like what who does that?

Like that check and I had my hat on backwards But I was like if I think that was you that she's like yeah, I think I think I used to do that And she was a yeah, she was an art history Major and a theater minor and soccer player out at Pomona And so yeah, we we met there we we were just but we were we did a little bit and then we're friends for five years

And then we kind of double back. So what wait wait? You dated and then became friends Yeah, what happened. What did you do wrong in the front? You were you had forward How did you get friends owned how did it was the viv was like We we really liked each other she was like She was the more mature she was like what are we gonna do though where's this going and we're we were just

Both kind of the one that got away for each other for a while, but we had the same circles of friends and so we'd see each other all the time

And then and we always had this connection like

Like where if someone thought I was weird she was like that was really funny by the way. I saw that and And we just we we just kind of were like Yeah, I don't know how it just became a friendship to the point where like I had it I had a steady girlfriend. She would tell me about her dates. She's like, oh my god

“She's like, let me ask your opinions. Is it bad if a guy pulls out a coupon on a first date?”

I'm like Probably not good. I don't know. Yeah, I mean, I don't want to I don't want to cast judgment, but maybe not yeah, maybe maybe maybe keep she keeps looking So when did you guys get make it when I got started alive? No, no, I'm just kidding But it kind of comes out a little bit

I was on my first year of the show and I came back to LA during one of our breaks

We I called her up she was like I Remember this is how this is how I knew I Really still really liked her. It was the Lakers Houston playoff game It begins with basketball. It does and die hard Laker fan Saw magic and bird play in their first game together

“That's how die art. I am up in the rafters at the forum in eighth grade. Okay”

Congratulations. Congratulations. Congratulations. Do I get Do I get the pleasure for that? You're right. Okay. You do this three of us in the room five of us in the room who can appreciate. Okay. I stop listening So it starts basketball Vivica calls me is like hey, do you want to go for walk and run in canyon and and I was just gonna go walk the dog and I was like Yep, I'm like wait a minute. I'm blowing. I'm watching a Laker game. Oh, okay

So we go for this really fun walk. We're laughing. We're talking the whole time she's like Hey, what are you doing? Do you want to stop by my place and have a beer? It's like okay She I hope she's okay with me telling us anyway, sorry. It's us. Okay. Yeah, and then we'll just keep it in between us She she gives me a beer and she and she drank her beer in two steps. Oh, yeah

She's like you want to know the flat boy no kidding

And so she drinks it and she's like you want another one. I go. I mean finished the first one

I go. Sure. So I'm like double twisted and she's really nervous Yeah, and I can't figure out what's going once again. I'm telling you we're just friends like I've lost. I blew it And so she sits down. She's like so I mean, I just want to tell you I still really like you And I I said what I go and of course I can't play it cool. Thank you

And then she goes did you really say that I swear? Yeah, you said that you turned it but he'd yell I turned it but then she was like Okay, and we didn't know what to do and then she drove me home and I thought I thought it was like Game on and I went in to give her a kiss and she gave me the cheek and then I was like and then and then it was yeah And then we were in this weird

Kind of thing of like we had both it was out there without a table but we were friends and then she's got by the way I'm still kind of I'm by the way. I'm also dating so right now Wait a minute I was like okay. Well, okay, but I take back what I said then I got and then we saw each other when the season's over she's like by the way I I'm not I broke up with that guy just so you know like all right. Okay, well good for you. Yeah, right

So Anyway, we it's been a whole summer of love that of just like and hang out going to get coffee. That's cool Did she move to New York eventually and then by the end of that summer

“we're like I think we're date we're date right we're like if I and then”

But she was still working out here and I the SNL schedules so can do so there's so many breaks Yeah, I could go back and forth so she'd come visit and We you know we still I was still did SNL When we were married and we still we just we just knew we'd end up back here. Got it. Yeah Did that settle you down? Did you feel you know did that did that help you in your career

Feeling like a got my person, you know my writer die she gets me I'm not doing this thing alone Or was it you know It was it harder because now no um she was She's kind of just a very unique person in the thing and the thing that she was

Always because you'd work on something and someone be on the fund, you know and it's like that's my girlfriend asked me how much later

How much longer we're gonna shoot and And fifth would never she'd be like I get it. Yeah. It's a movie and She just had this

“Eeziness about her I think because she tried acting a little bit and she”

But she had this understanding of like and we would always have this open discussion of like if I was gonna take on a project I was like it I may be here for three months. She's like don't worry. We'll come visit and be and but we also made a plan It I always would take the summer off for the most part. So we just We would bank the time when we could yeah and and she was just like no this is what it you know And so I locked out yeah

How long were you all married before you had kids your first kid four years? Okay. Yeah Magnus was born in 2004 so you still let's set in i live then no or you lived and no I just left okay I left in 2002. Okay. Yeah. Oh, so big big risk moving big jump in the baby. Yeah, yeah Way to go way to double down on at all how did that left left the set of kicking and screaming

“I don't know if you guys remember that movie”

Left the set when I heard there was in labor and the crew was like yes way to go well They thought it was so cool even though it was worked out ahead of time Yeah, we just built in a little break and Magnus was born. Yeah, yeah How was uh how is it being a dad how did that change? I did not like it

It's like he's messing up everything. No, it was like it's been amazing like every step of the way. Yeah

So she's surrounded by four three yeah Stinky men yep Poor thing yeah, did she have girlfriends that help ease the Sisters anything to bring that testosterone She yeah, she I mean once again. She's kind of unfazed she's she's actually like

I don't remember when our youngest son was born and the One of the nurses at the hospital was like you gotta go for the girl and and I was like no we're good That's three. Yeah, that's three. We're good and she's like who am I kidding? I'm not I'm just not gonna have girls and she's like and I don't know if

I might I don't know if I'd be a good girl mom. Yeah, I always thought I was gonna

Rebois yeah, I don't you know, where does that right right where does that cut exactly?

You know it would just like I got two healthy girls and Barak was in politics So I said that's your third child right there right right so yeah But yeah, I know we we we kind of just I mean there's obviously a transition but I don't I don't remember it I mean now it's so long ago, but

Not that I'm just talking off. Yeah, yeah But but having a new baby around we just kind of yeah it was a new new thing we're doing even though live

If it was never the type who's like

Like she's like I wanted to have kids, but she was not obsessed with it and so When it finally happened and she is the biggest dog person in the world and I remember when it was getting really close to her due date and she collapsed on the floor one day

“Very hormone all in feeling everything and feeling that and I'm like what is it what?”

What are you okay just like? What if I love the dogs more than the baby? And I I was like In my head I'm like is that a thing is that a thing that I'm in but I was like then we'll just work it out

I doubt that's gonna happen but We're working out and sure enough when we came home with mages. She's like Dogs stay downstairs. Yeah, and yeah, it was all yeah that changed it all to go. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that's great. Yeah. What kind of dad are you? strict disciplinarian We don't believe that

I I wouldn't say I'm strict but yeah, I've had to learn I I've gotten more frustrated than you would think though in a way We're I've lost my temper get off this shit. That's become real Sometimes and I've learned to Once again now the boys are 16 19 and 22 so it's there's not as much of that

But yeah, growing up I was surprised it would be like I tried to use all the parenting techniques and then it just turned into Because I saw yes, yeah, and so I'd turn it to that guy. Yeah, and they look at me like Who are you You're crazy

“And so I'm like oh, that's that's not good, but are they funny like no I was I was like I was I think I was”

I never pushed

Like anything about or we never talked about my word if and if they if I happen to have a billboard of a movie

They'd be like oh, there's papa. Oh, yeah, oh, yeah. Yeah, that's gonna come out soon. Yeah. We just kept it like yeah How old were they when they could figure out what was really going on though? Like When they started school like first grade second grades and kindergarten they started to start realizing Okay, other kids know who you are and um and But then I would I would try to always like

Hmm, I just try to find fun ways to diffuse the tension so There'd be like a big argument and then I would just leave for a while and just come out my underwear nothing Go find underwear go guys We got to be serious

“Okay, really look look at me listen to me and they would they probably not to”

They just start laughing and I was I was always trying to like just change up

I want you for a dad and then I would always have them do this thing if they got in a fight I be like okay you guys don't get to do This whatever you want to do whatever the thing we've just worked out hands in the middle her mono Sam Briss Which is brother always They're like what what just say it say maybe like her mono Sam Briss nope you guys say like you mean it you ever say it right

Her mono Sam Briss nope. I'm sorry I'm throwing the Xbox on the pool. I want to hear and then they'd be laughing again and Yeah, because my mom would do things like that with my brother Make us run around the car ten times on a car triple. We were and by the time we were done We were laughing and so I so I would try to do those sorts of things so people don't realize when you have boys

Yeah, they're gonna fight but it's not a real fight Right it's like you don't have to worry about them killing each other right yeah, but they fight Yeah, yeah, yeah, and we've we've been lucky that are and we got three big guys and they've never had the full because my brother and I had had some full like

Yeah The guys it's been one punch. Yeah, yeah, yeah, nobody fights anymore. Right, but

“We told our boys that if you guys can fight yeah, but when you're done you have to kiss and make up on the mouth”

Okay, I like that and it ended everything How about that? And it's like we should get that really. Yes, it's like well done well done well

Yeah, it was Viv was always good because she

She like had of course Read all the books and everything and then she was just like okay, so Magnus what do you want what would you what what upset you about what Matias just said? All done, let me see, Matias. What would you like to see from that and like do this conflict negotiation and

“Which work great at first and then as I got older like do you have to do this again?”

Let's see right through it Like I know you're gonna ask me what I my problem

And I'm gonna say the I don't want to do it. Yeah, yeah, did they follow in your footsteps as a three sport athlete

Not you know sports are so different now. It's also specialized. Yeah, it is same Right, but they're actually a big soccer player. Okay Matias is basketball and volleyball and axles Basketball and volleyball College players to are they playing and no

No Magnus is Magnus is is singing now. What's out? Yeah. He's got He's got music out there Magnus Ferrell Way to go. He's got music. He's got yeah

“What's his genre? Can I play you a little something please?”

Right, yes, okay. Okay, sorry proud dad. I love it. Yeah, but like This is this this is a so five year old you met in the map room. Oh, yeah, yeah When they brought weapons cushions. Yeah, we go the boys brought weapons because they were ready for prime time They were ready for prime time, but this is that kid Wow, he's got a group going on

Wow, okay, graphing Oh my god, yeah, okay, yeah, oh, right? I'm pretty handsome. Yeah, sure, but this way hold on. Okay This is not going to be correct Come on, it's for you Craig in your Airbnb

Oh Oh, yeah, okay, okay Magnus Ferrell Is that out? Is it out right now? A sleep talking a sleep talking did he want he was on Republic Records

Wow, he got an amazing group and he he his buddy gave they met in seventh grade jazz band at Harvard West like

They were the competing piano players. Yeah Magnus was very hated game in fact wrote his college entrance paper on how he hated The guy who eventually became became his best friend. Oh, that's cool and they they They left USC music school sophomore year to go do and they're both wow making stuff like this It's good very soul very right yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and it's right up, you know, it's it's what's what's happening And he's got a good voice that pulsetto is right yeah, so yeah, yeah, I mean you can sing too

I cannot not like that, but yeah, sure, so where does the music come that your your father teacher mom saying does Viveka, I mean lives a really good singer that was in bands and college and did like Was riso and Greece, okay, yeah, all right, oh, and so she's really musical the boys all grew up playing piano and

and axles playing ball right now, but he can sing to anyway, so we'll see you know that's so we're just happy they are Because there's so much like

“Like mental and like like it's so tough out there and they're finding stuff they're just passionate about and it's just like”

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Let's talk about the Yeah, right the hawk how that come out on Netflix. Yes, yeah, see a couple episodes Okay, yeah, it's very very funny. Yeah, you're funny. Yeah, you're funny. Yes. No, that's uh I play a Kind of a down and out golfer Lonnie the hawk Hawkins. Yeah, who's uh who's still He's down and in the minor leagues of golf the corn fairy tour, which is a real thing

Yes, uh hanging on to his dream of winning the fourth major and he's a jerk. He's a jerk Yeah, very selfish. He's very narcissistic That wasn't ready for the first episode. I was looking forward. I don't want to spoil anything

comedy where we don't really hold any punches and they're not at all. There's uh there's not a big message

“Not buddy Niel. It's not no it's not buddy”

This guy, but as you watch the series, he he does have a heart. Yeah, and

But he's competing good because the first episode is coming. This dude is a

Global jerk. It's oh man. Yeah, he he um just when you think yeah, he's he's a he's kind of a broken flawed guy Yeah, a bit of a a bit of a scalliwag Does everyone know that word? Oh, you're talking about the older people. Yeah, we were like yes, of course But it's a really funny get Molly Shannon plays my wife Who's everyone thinks X Y but I refuse to sign the divorce papers Jimmy Tattro is my son

That's a he's good. He's great. He's really and he's the next prodigy and golf. Yeah, I'm very proud of but compete against the same time

I want to take credit for his success

Um, and you kind of the polar opposites. You you don't eat well. You don't train your caddies crazy and he's like the Uber and uh he's training and eating the right stuff and living just a totally different life And uh, but yeah, it was it was it was it's just a super fun cast super fun comedy where we kind of Explore golf in a maybe make some comments about golf that haven't been made and uh and the PGA was very cool and was on board and we're like Yeah, poke fun on us. We're we're good. We're good with the good. Yeah. Yeah. They need it. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was telling our

colleagues that and thank you by the way because You are one of a handful of actors that I can watch whatever you do You are still that one. If you've got one line You've brought a lot of joy to a lot of people and uh I just we're just grateful to have you here This thanks for having me yeah. We usually do a listener question. Okay. This is in my opinion

So we try to offer some advice to people. Oh, right. All of us all of us should then. Yeah, we all should Okay. We all should be okay. We all should be okay. You think this is a good time for our listener question Lena Lena Lena from Lena who is in her late 30s from the state of Washington So supposed to Washington DC. Yes. Washington state

Seattle. Yeah. Come on. Let me go. Olympia. Come on. Unknown. Unknown. Okay.

Um I got more. That's pretty good. I am the parent of four amazing children.

A new baby, a three-year-old, a five-year-old, and an eight-year-old. They are my whole world, However, to be frank, my three-year-old is a total shit disturbing. He's super, super smart, really energetic, and is incredibly sweet, but he can also use all of his charm and strength to kind of

“bully his older siblings into doing things his way. He's a great kid, but I think just so high”

energy and advanced that he gets bored very easily. He's a little force of nature and we're tired. I've literally had family tell me I think lovingly that this kid is either going to discover the cure for cancer or be a serial killer. I have two questions. One, how do I make sure he ends up going on path one and two, my actual question. How do I parent a kid who demands a lot of time and energy without sucking the whole family and especially the other children into all of these

antics and that's Lena in Washington in her late thirties. Wow. That sounds like a perfect question for you. Four. I'm just thinking about four. You just start there. She went for the one you did not. Yeah. You're right. And it's three-year-old, right? Yes. That's in question. Yes.

“Lena, I think you're screwed. No. No. Yeah. What? I mean, you've got a, you've got to kind of”

tie yourself to the mast and whether the storm and let these, you have to, you know, I think you

that won't compete with the other, well, it sounds like an infant, but the other two who are conscious

of that stuff. And because it sounds like this little guy needs to stretch his stretch out and do his thing. Yeah. I just, I don't know. You just have to try to find a way to manage both sides of it in a way. Right. Yeah. It's no good. I'm still, you know, I'm still trying to figure out how to

“help Lena. But you know, it's three is a unique time. So, you know, I think part of what he said will,”

there's some weathering the storm. Yeah. You know, it will work. Yeah. Where he is at three developmentally, he still is, he may still be form formulating language. He might, you know, he might, he's got a lot of growing up to do. And so, you, you got to give him a little grace of just three roles, three role boys in particular. I didn't have boys. Yeah. And I know that there's a distinct difference between girls and boys. I mean, my girls, you know, girls can sit in color, you know,

and even when we, when we would have, when we just had two of the boys for whatever reason,

we were like, why is it so calm to, like, what's, and then the third one would come along,

and there'd be no rhyme or reason. They just seek chaos. Yeah. And then smacks on one and the head. Yeah. And then it was game on again. And we're like, oh, so that's just going to happen. I mean, and he may need a different kind of attention. I mean, if the other two kids, they're older, and they probably can be a bit more self-sufficient. And the baby is a baby. And, you know, this is the one thing I learned. Babies are, you know, good, you don't,

you don't need to put tons of time into the, if you're dividing, it's like, love the baby feed the baby, you know, have the baby around the baby's learning through us, Moses through all these other kids, and they're going to be okay. The older kids, put them in activities, you know, get them focused on some stuff, so that maybe you can give the three-year-old the tension that he's craving, you know, so that it's not, you know, don't consider it a suck, right?

It may just be that you might need to give him a little extra time. If she has that time,

“if she has, so that's what I'm saying, try to, try to create it where it isn't,”

doesn't feel like a suck. The baby is good. Or take, take this little guy to the dog park, just let him run around in an enclosed area. But that's, she, she may need to figure out what, what motivates her. What motivates her, you know, what is, you know, she doesn't have the time to really focus in on what, what is he really asking for? Yeah. You know, is it time, does he need more tension? Does he need to run more? Right, right? You know, she might need to

solve him. And it may take her a minute. And with now she has four, I'm sure she doesn't have the time that she had with the two older kids to see them and to really be like, this is who you are. And if there's a way to do a little divide and conquering for a minute, you know, I don't know she has a husband. She has friends or family members that can take the easier kids for a period of time. And it doesn't need to be forever. Right, right. It might just, they, he may need to be,

it's like, it's like the puppy. He may need to have an individual walk, yeah, or run or whatever it is. You know, she's going to have to experiment with some things,

“you know, but with all kids, I think you can set boundaries, you know, you can, you just have to,”

you know, and it takes me to an extra level of energy with this one, but you got to kind of keep at, you know, he still has to follow some rules and not be a jerk and be nice and listen, you know, it's just harder with that many kids to stay on the one. It's nicer when they just co-operate, right? Well, she's got one that's like, no, I need, I need to hear it a hundred times. You know, I, I think now is the time to try to figure it him out. And if the other two kids

are, are relatively okay, the older ones, then I would spend some time on this three-year-old, just to try to figure out what buttons need to be pushed for him. So, both of you give good advice, but I've got a couple things that I want to. Okay. And thank you. Thank you for that

encouragement. The, I want to, I want to, a couple things I want to tell Lena, first of all,

folks scare you into, I think in this guy's going to be a psychopath. But when you, I, I, I've

“got four kids, but I had two older and two younger. So I didn't have this dynamic, but I suspect”

if we did have this dynamic, this was, be how we would attack it. And that advice, my, my, my, our mom would say that. Whenever there was a new baby around, babies don't need a whole lot of

attention. She would always say, give the attention to the kid who's the next one up or the,

whatever you have, because they're feeling the addition of that kid. And when you look at these

“ages, eight, five, three in newborn. Yeah. The three year old got sandwiched between a short age,”

like the eight year old got to have. Got to have this time. And then the five year old has a three-year older kid to help with, with sort of social, no fashion. And it, right. And so probably got treated more like an only child. Like got a lot of initial. So the three year old is feeling the brunt of all of this. And what I would say, the Lena is start with when you, when you, when you give the three year old choices, make them two choices or three choices, however, you're going to

give them where you don't care which one they pick. So they feel empowered. So they feel empowered

and feel like you're treating them like a five year old or a older kid. Yeah. We've always found

that that worked when, when kids are acting a little bit bratty. They're just looking for a little

“little, little control. Yeah. Okay. Like your wife said, all right, what do you need in the situation?”

Yeah. And you know, as long as it's not candy, we can probably figure it out. And so I just think Lena needs to be just a tab. It's more strategic. And, and don't don't take the tongue in cheek, psychopath, uh, asthma to heart. Because it's unlikely to happen. Well, well, thank you. You guys are so much fun. It was so much fun. It's really neat. But the normal regular real-feral is kind of a nice guy. Right? Kind of like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So now you know, he would just staring. He was been looking at the artwork. You're looking at the artwork. But now that we know each other, I'm, when I know people, I'm, I'm gonna make it. I'll be funny. If I don't know you, I'm like, "I don't care what you're doing right now." But now I know you. Oh, I'm gonna be so funny.