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to celebrate in Vegas and they called me and they said what you speak it is. - Oh, oh. - Oh, oh.

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I have a couple of these. - I'm sorry. - So I'm a great one. - So I'm a great one. - Yeah.

- Faboy, fly boy. So what's new and exciting? - No, not mine. - No, not mine. - Not much. - No, not much.

- Man, you're boring. - You know, I will say. So this trip to LA has been great. Now the sun's back out, but I've been, I've been cramped up, cooped up, up.

And this is a time when I really enjoy having my Airbnb be close because it was pouring rain the last couple of days. So getting here without getting my outfits soaked is easy. - We were just talking about how many Airbnb's?

“Do you think you stayed in since we launched a rainbow”

because you, you, you, you get the round. - I do, and so we, I tried to figure it out. We've done 40 episodes, but you can't, you don't do one per episode, so you figure on average we've done four or five. - How many total tapings

have we done in the last year team? - And I'd say about 10 tapings. - Separate tapings. - Because once we started doing this, then I was, just in my own personal life,

I was doing the Airbnb. - Maybe be throw your travel, your trips, the things with the boys, the boys, all of that stuff. So I, I would say since last August, so a year ago August, probably 20, 25.

- But it has been a great year one, season one, and we are looking forward to a great season two with Airbnb, our partnership. We love it, love them, love the team of people

who come with it, which is always a big part of it.

Of course, Brian Chesky, the founder, the CEO, the big headhunter, was a dear dear friend and someone that I love and respect dearly, but that's no bias. I think if he ran a Janky company,

we wouldn't be using it, but he just so happened. - You've been using Kanky a lot lately. - I really love in the word, Janky. It applies to so much, especially these days. There's a lot of Jankiness happening around the world,

but Airbnb doesn't fall into that category of Janky. - No, so, speaking of Janky, no, no. - No, that's not right. - We are guests, this episode. (both laughing)

- We are very excited about our next guests, and I wanna tell a little brief story before we bring 'em out, because this whole time, we were talking about how both of us have been on his show.

That's never happened, right?

- No, we never have. - No one's fighting you. - Nobody invites me where. - But Jimmy and when I did my book tour back in 2010, he invited me on, but my wife Kelly Swar, who knows everything, Swar that I wasn't on,

the Jimmy Kimmel Show. - She thought it was the other Craig Robinson. - I don't know what, but I was like, how do you forget that, how do you could use that? Who would forget?

- Being on Jimmy Kimmel Show, I mean, the green room aspect of his show, the music, I mean, it's a good, it's a good green room. - It was a real memorable vibe, my kids would say, it was a vibe, it was drinks and food and music.

- Drippers, no, no, there weren't strippers. - No, that was only with me, right, Jimmy? - So the main strippers, I didn't tell Baroque. - But we were, you know, and I'm sure Jimmy

if I was on, you remember if you were on.

“- So we were doing some, so Crystal was doing some research.”

I found out right before we came on. - Then you were right, I was right. - Yeah, I would like to thank you for being here. - To get home. - Right, and tell, tell Kelly that she was strong.

- Well, let's properly introduce Jimmy Kimmel. - Yes, let's do that. Jimmy Kimmel serves as host and executive producer of Jimmy Kimmel Live, which has become the next year of late night television over the past 23 years.

In addition to his show, he is an accomplished producer in award-winning host, leading numerous hit shows, specials and major award shows. And you know a dude is hot when you got all of that. - Oh, he's just hot 'cause he's got those cute jeans on.

(laughing) - Welcome, Jimmy Kimmel, I did. - Right, Jimmy, see, look, look how cute his jeans are. - Thank you, I'm gonna see you, man, how are you? - Tell him about great play, look, look here.

- I'm excited to be here, and thank you for saying my jeans are cute, I fredged it over them before I came. My wife made me change. - Tell her she did. - She did, she really did. - She really did.

- She didn't, she didn't, she didn't, she didn't. - She's back with the kids at the house, but she told me, she said, "Look at me," she said, "When and doubt, just wear solids." And so I did, I went with solids.

- And I have striped jeans on. - Very much remember you being on the show. I remember it quite well, and we talked about coaching, we talked about your book, we talked about.

So tell Kelly, I don't always remember people

that on the show are not, sometimes it gets blurred, but I definitely remember that. - Thank you, thank you for saying that. - The weird thing that you might want to be concerned about

“is the fact that she doesn't remember that.”

- That's the thing, and Kelly, his wife remembers everything. - She thinks so, maybe. - No, I made me, she didn't remember him. (laughing) - Well, you know what it was.

That was one of the shows where I came alone. I said she would come with me, but I think, I flew down, I was in Oregon at the time, so I flew down. - It may have been a blind spot caused by jealous rage.

- That's right, that's why you go, that's true. - We were asking, so you're, not sure when this is going over right now,

you guys are on a week highatus.

- We're on break, yeah, right now, yeah. - How does that, I mean, it feels like this talk show thing is pretty grueling. - It is, it's grueling. - So, what's the week break feel like?

Are you like chilling? Are you? - It feels brief, you know what I mean? - Actually, we rented an Airbnb in Phoenix. - Really?

- We rented, we went to visit our friends there. I have a friend named Chris Bianco,

“he's a great pizza chef, I think you've had this pizza.”

- Oh, yeah, absolutely. - And we rented a beautiful house, he brought his kids over, they came and stayed, and he got this, he got this El Camino restored, it took four years to get it restored.

It was his 60th birthday present, we all chipped in for this, it took four years again, he's had it for six weeks. We're about to get in the car to go to his pizza place, he accidentally stepped on the,

I don't know what exactly happened, but let's just say the car wound up in the Airbnb, we took out half the garage of the Airbnb. - They were very nice about it though, they said, - Oh, no, no, no, no. - No, no, no, no, no, no.

- The car is, the car is, the car is, the car is, our rental car was trashed, it was like a video game type scenario. - Oh, no, he was so excited. - Yeah, he was, it was sad, it was sad. - It is so sad.

- But I told him, we're gonna look back and laugh at this. - So tell me this, did it have the old fashioned gear shift that was on the side where you had to, no, it had, it was down, I know this because I drove it shortly before he drove it into the house.

- And it's so good, it was too fast, it's like, it's too responsive, you know, it's a little bit dangerous. - Yeah, but it has to be in the right gear. - It does, that's one of the things that we learned. - Yes, so if you're in, if you're in drive

and should be in reverse, just doesn't work. - Yeah. - So when that happens to your friend, are you laughing at him, are you sort of like, "Ah, buddy, you know, I felt bad for him, I did."

- I mean, it's, you know, when something like that happens and then there's that moment of release, we realize, okay, nobody's hurt and something ridiculous has just happened, I did have the urge to laugh, but I, I feel like.

- You held it ever, I hope it is. - We are laughing now, he's probably still not laughing, but maybe by the time this airs. - Maybe, that's what, but maybe here. - Were the kids in the car?

- The kids were, you know, the kids were in our rental car and then other group of kids were in the other car and we had three cars and we managed to destroy two of them.

- So, did you get pizza at least?

- We did go for pizza afterwards. - The kids were like, are we sick? 'Cause kids don't care, they're like,

“"Well, we thought we were getting pizza."”

- It is funny because there was no discussion of not getting pizza after, there's not even, not even a moment of that. We couldn't close the garage door of the house, but we just left.

- Oh, man, what did you do on your break? Yeah, no wonder it didn't feel long. You were dealing with crisis. - We took the kids to Vegas, we had a lot of fun in Vegas. - So, your kid, the little ones, right?

- Little ones, yeah. - So, what do you do with little ones in Vegas? We used to take the girls, but we were campaigning in Vegas a lot and they loved Vegas. - Kids love, there's a lot of fun stuff for them.

- Which I told them to stop saying out loud, and maybe they're like 10, and believe it's like, "We love Vegas, we love staying at the win." And I was like, "You know what? "Don't say that out loud."

- But it's made to attract little kids and old ladies like our mom. Kids like Black Jack, they love video poker. No, they love, we took them to see the Michael Jackson Cirqueaux later, we went to see the Wizard of Oz

at this sphere, it was my great, really great. - Yeah, did they like there?

“- I think a long time, it's doing very well.”

- Yeah, that was fun, it took my trip be along, she loves in Vegas, so we picked her up and brought her to the show. We went to a place called Omega Mart, which is part of this Meow Wolf franchise.

These visual experiences, and they're very interesting. It's really fun, I think there's one at Dallas, one at Phoenix, and one at Denver, something, but it was a lot of fun, kids loved it. And they got to stay in a room of Vegas room,

and they stayed in a space room, which liberales you died, and you know, that kind of thing. - Do you let them get in the mini bar 'cause that can break you? - We did not, no, I don't think they even knew

the mini bar was there. - There, I'm gonna my kids knew. - Oh, they did, yeah. - No, they knew. - I can't even imagine $12 candy bar.

My dad would have done, if we'd gone, even opened the door of a mini bar out. When we were kids, the only vacation we ever took what, when we lived in Brooklyn, we would go to Hershey Park in Hershey, Pennsylvania,

and then when we lived in Vegas,

“we would drive to L.A. to go to Disneyland or whatever.”

And it was always very stressful.

The car always broke down. It was just a matter of whether we made it halfway or not. We'd be towed to California or throw back home. Those are the worst pictures when you get towed back home. - Here it was.

- That's man, man. - Everyone's quiet. - Because we don't want them to get madder, you know. - But we would stay at motels, and we had a little dog, fluffy,

and never even considered leaving fluffy with someone. It wasn't even something that we thought. - And back then, people back then wouldn't have taken somebody's dog. - I mean, my hand knuckle wood.

If they had a dog, I don't know why we didn't. But we took fluffy, and then it was $2.50 extra to have a dog in your motel room. Of course, my dad didn't want to pay that. So we would smuggle fluffy into the room.

And then, you know, we'd be at Disneyland all day. We'd leave the dog, fluffy, and thing,

you know, we always got charged at $2.50.

There's like, we've never got away with it. I don't know why he went along with it. - Exactly, I thought he was like, let's just see. - Let's just see. - Do not disturb on the room for the maids didn't come.

- Don't clean. - Fluffy's not gonna bark all day long. (laughing) - So Vegas, you were born in Brooklyn, and moved to Vegas, what age?

- Nine years old. - You were nine, so what prompted your move? - I just loved, loved to gamble. - What prompted our move was, my uncle Frank was a cop in New York for 20 years.

And then he decided at age 40, he was gonna retire from the police force. Just pension was coming, and he decided, I'm gonna move to Florida, that was their plan. They're gonna move to Florida,

like everybody from New York does. They got to Florida, they put us, small deposit on a house $100 on like a house that was gonna be built in a subdivision. They're staying with friends.

And in the backyard, the friends had a pool, there was an alligator in the pool, the backyard. My aunt chippy looked out, she goes, "I didn't raise three daughters to have a meeting by a goddamn alligator.

"I'm with aunt chie." - And that was that for Florida. - That would be, it for me, I said this before. - It's a reasonable field. - Anyplace where an alligator is gonna could be in your backyard.

It's like, I don't like mice in the house. I told Barack, can you imagine what I would do? If I saw an alligator, I'd be like your aunt chippy. It's like, take it, get everybody, we're out tonight. - They lost $100, they went back to Brooklyn.

They made a new plan, my uncle Frank had heard that if you were a police officer, you could get a job as a security guard at one of the casinos. He got a job at the front here in Las Vegas.

which is kind of a shabby hotel, he got a job at Caesar's palace. And because he was Italian,

they almost always put the Italian guys

on Frank's inatra as part of his security detail.

“And I think word got out and we're like,”

we're heard like Uncle Frank's now Frank's inatra's bodyguard and we had to get out there. So my grandparents were with them and we just moved to join, rejoin the family in Las Vegas. - Wow.

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- My mom raised us and my dad worked for a company that Howard Hughes owned called Sumo Corporation. He still don't know what it was if he did. (laughing) I think he tried to explain it to us a couple of times

and it was either too complicated or too boring.

- Never. - Probably both.

He worked somehow we worked in management information systems. - Not sure what that is.

“- I remember that, that's what they used to call computer.”

IT. - Is that right? - Yes. - Yes. - I dad was an IT guy.

- He was a genius. - He was not a genius. But he did somehow run these systems that ran these slot machines at the casino and they would set the odds on the,

that's as much as I know. - Oh, that's plenty, that's pretty good. - Sometimes he'd be just clock in and go bowling and then have someone clock out for him. - Did you know that for a fact?

- I found out that. - I found that out a couple of years ago. - Oh, good. (laughing)

- How many of you siblings do you have?

- I have a sister and a brother. I'm the oldest, my sister's three years younger and my brother is nine years younger. - Are you the typical oldest brother? Are you the protector?

Are you the, you know, were you beaten up your, you know, your younger? - Yes, yes. I beat them.

“I did all the things it was supposed to do.”

Yeah, yeah. Psychological torture. (laughing) But also I'm so much older and my brother. I was kind of like a brother uncle to him really.

- Yeah. - So he was like almost like, it was like having another parent as far as I was concerned with him. But yeah, my brother works as a director

and a writer. He works on South Park. He's a writer on South Park. And my sister. - Oh, so you're the reason why I South Park.

(laughing) - I am not the reason. - My sister is a comedian, the stand up comic. - That's wild. - Yeah, and he just said she came to stand up comedy

late in my life. - Yeah, she decided about maybe like 13 years ago that she wanted to be a stand up comic and everybody's like, what? - What did she do before that?

- She was just working in a regular jobs in an office and decided she wanted to do it and stuck with it and now she does it for a living. - Wow, yeah. - Wow, what's her brand of humor?

- Observation, her life being a mom and things she notices, I guess.

“I mean, I think that's what you call it.”

- Yeah, yeah, that's, that's it. - Management information services, she does. (laughing) - But yeah, and my parents are alive and full of hijinks at all times,

there's always something funny going on.

And yeah, everybody's doing all right. - And was it always that way? Like, when you were growing up, was it just like practical jokes and jokes around the table? What was it like?

- Yeah, yeah, yeah, up in your house. - Oh, very funny, everyone's funny in our family. Literally everyone in the family's funny. The least funny person in our family would be the funniest person in most family, yeah.

And yes, I started my love of practical jokes really began with my aunt Chipping. She is my muse when it comes to that. And I carry that into my adult life. Our most recent mega prank on Aunt Chipping was

we put her in a waymo, you know, the driver was beautiful. - Oh, my God. - And how old is she? - She was 85 at the time, now she's 86.

We put her in the car. We pretended that we had an actor playing a limbo driver and picked her up at the airport. And he said, "Would you mind I have to run "and use the bathroom?"

She's like, "Yeah, go ahead. "Close the door, the car drives off and I'll drive her." And the rest, she's just watching YouTube because it's, I couldn't possibly explain how funny it is. - 85, Jimmy.

- I did, you know what I did? She has three daughters, my cousins. And before we did this, I wrote them. And I said, "Listen, I have this idea. "Well, I'm gonna be honest with you.

"I don't know what's gonna happen. "I guess could potentially kill your mother." What do you think? I want to get your permission. The three of them answered, yes,

Yeah, go ahead, go ahead, go ahead, so.

That's how it goes in our family. - No mercy. - I gotta see that. That's on you guys. - What I started by blowing up her cigarettes. She's a world-class smoker.

She loves marboreal beds. She's been smoking.

“He's like a dragon ever since I was a kid, you know?”

And I would get these cigarette loads. You remember those? - Oh, yeah. - We tried that on our day. We tried a bunch of stuff to make them stuff.

- You make them quit smoking. - That's not why I did it. - I know. - I know, I gotta figure it out. If I try, it's like, please don't ever stop.

But I would load them, I get them in her. I then go buy cigarettes. And I was like, 14, I'd pull the clear plastic wrapping off as carefully as I could. I load the whole pack of cigarettes

and seal it back up and use double stick Scotch tape to put it back. Then I just, you get sitting somewhere and she thinks she got one over on me. She took the pack of cigarettes.

And the next day, I get a call from work. He will let a basket. She'd be playing the video poker machines and just tobacco would go everywhere. Those things are the best bill.

And we did that to our dad and almost got into trouble. - Well, it was more, we were dipping the tips and hot stuff. - No, you dipped the tips and hot stuff. We, I put one of those exploding things in his cigarette once and it exploded.

The beauty of the whole thing is when it explodes, the end, the tobacco goes everywhere. But you're left with the cigarette in your mouth and it's bent. - You are absolutely right.

- It's bent from the explosion. - It's just like a cartridge. - If you get lucky and they take a hard drag, you will be tatters. Just, you just have this confetti coming out of your mouth.

(laughing) (laughing) I buy them on eBay now. And they still want to be like, they can't really find them new,

but you can find them all. - Oh, yeah. - And so going to school, did you get in trouble a lot at school, doing stuff like that? - A little bit.

- Yeah, a little bit. I, you know, my teachers either loved me or wanted to kill me. There was no in-between, really. It was either, they got it and they appreciated some jokes.

But I had situations in my life. Actually, when I hosted the White House Car Spondons dinner, you were there and actually we sat next to each other at that event. I told a story about my history teacher, Mr. Mills,

at Clark High School in Las Vegas. George Mills was his name.

“He was like a big, tough, I think he was a Marine”

and a good teacher, you know, a really good teacher was an advanced level class, but he didn't, you know, he did not, he did not like any screwing around in class.

And finally, and I just never stopped.

Finally, he said to me, he did one of the worst things anybody ever did to me. He said, here's how this is gonna go. You get you to one more joke and I fail you. You get an F, you know, I wanted to have good grades

and so this was a problem, you know. And the class objected and the class spoke up in my defense, which was great, right? Yeah. And they said, hey, come on, whatever he goes and he says,

all right, you get one joke a week. Okay. Which is worse than no jokes because I'm sitting there all week. I usually wait till Friday. And, you know, if it doesn't go over,

it'll ruin my whole week. I have to wait, you know, like, I'd be still so, I have to pick my spot and make sure I slid a good one in. And when it would happen, he'd look at, he'd turn a glare at me and I'd go,

I just give him like, say, one joke a week, you're like, all right, but he did actually pull me outside the class once and he said, listen, you're a funny guy, you're a smart kid, but if you keep screwing around,

you're never gonna get anywhere in life.

“Yeah, yeah. And that's how I closed my White House”

car respondents dinner speech where I said, eat it, mills, whatever you are, and in his obituary, this story is written and they ask him about. And I guess he remembered me and he thought it was a funny story. Well, I'd say you guess he remembered you.

I did, you remember me. You never know, right? I mean, there's a lot of students. But he remembered me. Wow, that's, that's amazing.

That's amazing. What do you remember most about your childhood? And Vegas, I know that you had some pretty good friends. And you, you with your friends and your family, there's a loyalty.

I mean, it's like, you, you, you, you go on on the people and they stay with you forever. Yeah, there's a loyalty or just no one else wants us around. I don't want you to do this. Love and loyal. I have a lot of family and friends working at the show. I, you know, I had a great childhood.

I really did. I grew up in a real, middle, low, middle class neighborhood.

Dad was a room service, Butler at Caesar's Palace, who worked with Sammy Davis Jr. in Bill Cosby. And these, you know, these great stars of the day. And he is now in my band. And his son was my band leader.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, I, you know, I know where you, where you are with that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

“So when, when did you say, okay, maybe I can make a living out of this stuff?”

You know, I always want to be an artist, like a cartoonist when I was a kid.

And I never, even, I didn't know anybody in show business. This wasn't like, you know, even growing up in Las Vegas, like, there was this lounge singer named Perfecto, who used to come over to my aunt Chippies house sometimes. And that was about as close as we got to your show business. Yeah.

Yeah. Perfecto. Perfecto and motion was the name of it. And then there was another guy named Love Lace Watkins, who somehow my aunt uncle befriended.

But, you know, it wasn't something that I, that I ever, even imagined doing until I got on the radio, you know, that's really, well, I read, I love David Letterman. And I read that David Letterman started in radio. And then I worked with the kid at a clothing store who said, hey, you're funny. You should be on the radio.

He's on the college radio station. I was like, oh, I'd love to be on the radio. And I just kind of moved away from drawing and all that stuff that I was doing. And I got a real thrill out of being on the radio.

“I remember my first, the first time I hosted a radio show as in high school.”

I was on the college radio station. And they just said to me, yeah, we'll give you a show on Sunday night for a half hour. You find somebody in interview them. You know, it was just like this, really. And I found this guy who, I found a, I guess in the yellow pages, he was the hair stylist

of the stars. And I brought him in. I wanted to know what stars, hair, he'd styled. Turned out it was only one star. And that star was John Davidson from, that's incredible.

You remember that guy? Yeah. Yeah. We spent a full half hour talking about John Davidson's hair, which included a big white spot that was like a skunky, like a skunk type white spot on his hair.

And it was fun. And I went home. And my Aunt Chippy was over the house smoking. Of course. She and my mother had listened to my parents and listened to it.

And they were so excited. And you know, being raised in this loud Italian family, just being listened to, it was a big deal.

“And I think that was, didn't know word in edge wise.”

Yeah. Just the fact that they sat around, presumably quietly and listened to me for a half an hour was, I just, I was so excited by it and that's all I really wanted to do from, from there on. Wow.

Is it being this shocking? Did you finish college? I didn't know. I was at UNO V for a year. And then my whole family moved.

My dad lost his job. We moved to Phoenix. I went to Arizona State and got a job in Seattle doing morning radio before I graduated,

which by the way, never would have happened.

Yeah. That's the same before I graduated as if I would have graduated. It was, that was not really, I was only going to school to avoid getting thrown out of a house. That was my parents had no idea how much they were wasting on my education.

So what was this first job in the morning radio? It was in Seattle at a radio station called KZOK. It was my first pain job. I had a lot of jobs like calling in and doing character bits. But none of them paid.

But my first pain job was at KZOK. I did a show with my friend called, his name was Kent Voss. This show is called the me and him show. He was me. I was him.

And we were on the air every morning and we loved it. We got fired 10 months into our one-year contract. And then, what happened? What happened? What'd you do?

I just, yeah, what'd you blow up? I wasn't very diplomatic at the time. I was 20 and everyone at the station was, the median age was probably 45, you know. It was a classic rock station.

I had never heard most of the songs that were being played.

Like it wasn't, it just wasn't the place I was supposed to be. And they figured that out a lot quicker than I did and they sent me back home. And it was heartbreaking. It really was like one of the worst times in my life. Really?

Yeah, because I felt like I was on top of the world. I got this job that I wanted and I was like, we're going to live in Seattle forever. And this is going to be our town. We're going to be on the radio here and then the next thing I knew is like, okay, I'm grabbing your stuff from your desk and go home and don't come back, which is weird.

Yeah. You never been fired. Obviously. I don't think I knew. Have you been fired?

I'm a coach. Yeah.

That's quite a part of the, yes.

Part of the business. Right. Yeah. Yeah. It is an empty feeling.

Isn't it? Yeah. Even when they owe you stuff, it's still like, oh, what am I going to do? Does it bother anyone else that when they go on a trip, their house is just sitting there, totally unused and unmatched?

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It's like you have something contagious and they don't want any part of it.

“It's like you used to be funny, but now you stink.”

It really is, and I got fired a lot of times. That's what I was going to say. You're like a coach. You get hired to get fired. How did you deal with those kinds of setbacks?

I was always very determined.

I always had a lot of confidence in myself. I felt that what we were doing was funny. I really liked my partners on the air. We felt that was nice having a teammate being fired with another person is easier than being fired on your own.

We started a classic rock station. I went to a top 40 station from there. Then it was what they call a hot AC, which is upbeat, adult contemporary, then to another top 40 station. Finally, I wound up at K-rock in LA, which is an alternative rock station.

That was where I was supposed to be. I didn't get fired there. I fit in well at that station. What do you think you were learning as you were going through this period in your life that prepared you for your ultimate shine?

“I think it was a little bit like the karate kids in some ways.”

The wax somewhere, when I was at K-rock here in LA, I was the sports guy and I wrote all the comedy bits for the show and I did a bunch of character voices. I did six sports casts a morning, every half hour, and I wrote all the comedy bits, and then I would sometimes be on the air as well. It was just non-stop writing, right, deliver, right, deliver and just in a row.

I learned to write right quickly and to write and to just turn things around in a furious way, which has been great for me because I have to sit down and hash out a nine-page monologue every night. But that learning experience just little by little, taking on more and more and more

and having those deadlines, which is something I have to this day, I never have writers

walk because I just don't have time for it. I can't even understand what it is. I just keep going and going and going and at the end of the night, it shows over and you're on to the next one. And if something terrible about that, it just disappears, but as much work into it as you

want, then it's gone. But there's also something great about it because you're constantly creating, you're constantly coming up with stuff. That I would love to hear Jimmy about you're getting your late night gig, like tell me about that.

It's a disappointing story and it goes like this. I was told that ABC wanted to meet me about a Thursday night variety show. I was hosting a show called The Man Show on Comedy Central at the time. I was also picking football games on Fox NFL Sunday. I was like there, there are odds maker or whatever you want to call.

things I did is even at my most desperate times, I would say no to things, which turned

out to be a great, I wasn't doing it as a strategy, but it turned out to be a great strategy because people who drive them crazy and then they keep offering me things until I did

“a game show called Wind Bend Stein's Money and it was like, I think the fourth thing”

this producer Michael Davies had offered me in each time, I was just a, you know, I was the sports guy. I was making $60,000 a year, you know, like, what do you turn in the idea that I was turning down TV shows genuinely ridiculous. Until he told me about this show, Wind Bend Stein's Money, I was like, oh, that sounds

funny and he explained the premise of the game showing us, I called it. And then it turned out to be a hidden, it led to everything else I did on TV, but I was my managers, a guy named James Baby Daldex and his other clients, John Stewart and Stephen Colbert, who came along later and John was going to be hired as the late night talk show host at ABC, he'd had conversations with them, they decided that they wanted to hire

him and then at the last minute, this producer Michael Davies, who years later is now working at ABC, suggests to the guy Lloyd Braun who's running the company that he'd look at a tape from, of me and he said, oh, the guy from the football and he's like, yeah, he's like, oh, all right. So they looked at a tape and they were like, you know what, we're a very, this is a very

blue collar network at the time, like, according to Jim was there, like, number one show network and for whatever reason they decided they were going to hire me, but they didn't

“want to tell me that's why they're entering me because I had the same managers, the guy”

they had already essentially offered the job to. So I go in under false pretenses, we spend the whole interview talking about David Letterman,

never discussed a late night talk show, I go home, I get a call the next day saying, hey,

they want to hire you to host the late, I talk show, they never even offered me the job, they told me I had the job, they're like, congratulations, you're, you've been, I tell you, I was like, what? I am. Okay, they know about your strategy, saying no, so they made it so you couldn't say no.

I don't think anything about, it was, it was a period of maybe maybe 36 hours and they decided to give me the job and they gave me the job and years later, I asked Bob Iger, I was like, because I still, to this day, think they made a mistake, I would have at 100 times out of 100, I would have hired John Stewart for that job. And I said to Bob, I was like, why did you, what is it that you saw in me that, you know,

made you guys pick me over John Stewart and he said, you were a lot cheaper.

“Oh, boy, it was not kidding, no, no, Bob would not quit kid about that and that's how I went”

up on the year. Right, right. Just three years later. Just cheap, that's all, the discount host, that's right, that's right. What did it feel like, making that transition?

Terrifying. Really, yeah. Terrifying, relentless, I mean, that, with the show was live at that time. Yeah. And the show was on at midnight.

It was on a 1205 following nightline, 1205 to 105, which in LA time means 10.05pm to 11.05pm. No, yes, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. So every night, I was not done with work, like, officially until 10.30 at night. I had just gone through a divorce. I had my kids three days a week, I had my older kids three days a week by myself.

I had this show five days a week.

We had no structure in place, staff that 80% of them had never done anything like this before.

Had no idea what they were doing, a host who had no idea who he was doing, what he was doing. I had bunk beds in my office. So my kids could sleep after school, come and they'd, like, hang out with me and then they'd sleep until, and I picked them up and put them in the car and drive them home and then take them to school in the morning and start over again.

And we had no guests. We had, we just really, it was a very, very difficult start-up. And it went on like that for years. And in fact, like the first six months, I hired all my friends, all my relatives. And there was a lot of writing on this, right?

I was hoping that ABC would cancel the show. It's like, please. I really was. Because then it wouldn't have been my, you know, why, what are you going to do about quitting? But, you know, I wasn't going to quit, but I would have welcomed the sweet release of

And never came and no matter how hard I tried, never came hanging on.

What do you think it was that kept it going?

“Was it the time start? Was it luck? Was it bad luck?”

I think it's, well, somehow we managed to get okay ratings, which I think is probably the number one reason that, that they stayed on the air. Because if they weren't making money, that, you know, whatever. And I'd do a new and even if we did okay, even though the whole time they told us, we were not doing okay, we're losing money and all this kind of stuff.

But I think more than anything is I'm just bullish and I just kept, I had a good friend named Alex Walu who was the president of ABC at the time. And he said, at my 20 year anniversary, he said, you know what, you just, it was just, you just kept pushing that rock up the hill. This was just a, this was an act of sheer willpower more than anything.

And it probably was. It really, I just kept at it and kept doing it because I kept remembering what my life was like before it and how I would have a job for 10 months and lose it.

And I wanted to just, I wanted to do everything in my power to keep it going.

And if that way, if it didn't keep going, I would be okay. I would, I would be able to make peace with that. Because, you know, there's not a big, there's not a huge afterlife for talk show, especially back then. There is.

Yeah. Now somebody like Conan is, you know, got this entirely different career. Right. But back then, there was, you were gone. That was it.

You were done. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe you get a game show if you're lucky. Yeah.

How were your kids in the midst of, because you have the two older kids? How were they? Because I didn't realize that you were single dating it through it as well. Yeah. More at that time, my daughter was, um, a daughter Katie was 10 and my son was 8.

My son Ken was 8. They were little. Yeah. They were almost exactly the age that my younger kids are now. Yeah.

“Do they remember, what do they remember about that time?”

Or do they remember anything of that time? They do. My son Kevin works at the show now. So he's still in the bunk bed. Yeah.

He's 65. But he's showing the bunk bed. They remember, you know, it's a great question. I'd like to ask them what they remember. But they kind of had the run of the place, you know, and there were a lot of snacks.

I'm sure that was a big thing that they remember. But we had, you know, we had our family, our family traditions just took place at the show. Yeah. I get my son, a bean and cheese burrito from Piquito Moss, every, you know, like we had my daughter again, Penny Marinara from the Italian restaurant across the street.

We do the homework. You know, I'd be writing a monologue and helping them with their homework. It was just a weird mix of foam. I was in a dressing room that had no windows, you know, it was like just very strange situation. But, you know, what are you going to do?

That's how you, you just have to do it. Yeah. Yeah. What is your daughter, dude? My daughter is an artist, my oldest daughter.

She, her name's Katie Kimmel. You can find her on Instagram. She's a very successful ceramics artist. She makes really clever, um, whimsical sculptures and, uh, she has a pop up store at the row in downtown LA, and she has a baby as well, um, so I am a grandfather.

Welcome. Thank you. What are they calling you? Pop pop. Well, she is only eight months old, so she calls me nothing right now.

And my dad is pop up, so I'm not getting that. So I, I just, I'm going with grandpa, I don't know what's weird, but I'm going to hope for just grandpa. So, any tips I'm working with family, because this is our first, our first go away.

Oh, yeah.

“Well, I think it might be harder with you guys because you're playing the same”

role here where I guess it's, you know, I'm in charge, you know, although that's not great. And that has, that has, it's downside, but I'm fortunate, and maybe it's by design that I have, I only hire relatives who set the best possible example for as far as working hard goes as far as not complaining goes as far as doing what needs to be done.

They know that they have to be in the top 10 percent as far as that stuff goes.

So, and I've been fortunate, I've had a couple of unfortunate situations. I've had the fire. You know, I've had this scold my uncle, calling him into my office and lecture him. Yeah, that would be a good one. And it's just, and then how was Christmas after that?

Well, he got over it quickly, but, you know, my uncle Frank used to be, like, he was a security

But uncle Frank was my first sidekick, and he was the one we followed out to Las Vegas who worked for Frank tonight. And he was a character, he was just an offbeat, funny, dense man who you could pull anything over on him, and he's just, he's very hard to explain.

“I think the best way to explain him is he once sat in a room and had an hour-long conversation”

with Kermit the Frog, never acknowledging that it was a puppet, talking about dating and

food and places to go and things to do, and it's just an unbelievable. Is that on YouTube? It is, yeah. It's just unbelievable. I get so much to do after this.

The guy doing Kermit was like, I don't know what's going on here. Is this a joke on me? So why did he get fired? Why didn't fire him? Oh, I just-- it came close to Kermit.

What do you call it? Can you say or is it a credit matter? No, it wasn't any better. It was just like kind of refusing to like, picking and choosing what he did and did not want to do, which you know, like part of the fun when somebody is, you know, a stooge for lack

of a better term is you put them in situations. You don't necessarily want-- and he didn't want to be in it and then he became like a star, you know, and then he's like, I'm not going to do that, and I'm like, yeah, you are going to do that. You are still a star, but you're a stooge.

We need you to do all the things, not just the fun one, yeah. But he was funny and he really helped get me through a lot of rocky times from a comedy standpoint

because I knew I could always turn to him and get a-- he would say something crazy, you know.

So when did you meet Molly? Molly started working at the show.

“I think about a year into it and she wanted to be a writer and she became the writers”

assistant. She did that for, I think, a couple of years, two, three years, and she would write jokes, you know, on the side and I'd look at the jokes and then it just became apparent that her jokes were so strong that I needed to hire her as a writer and I hired her as a writer and she was great and then she became the head writer when our head writer left.

And then I think it was a couple of years after that that we started dating. Yeah, and Molly is everybody's favorite person. Let's back up a minute. So it was a couple of years after you made her head writer that you started dating. Yeah.

When did you start thinking she was interesting? Oh, you know, I know it sounds like phony or whatever, but when I was dating, I was dating a comedian, Sarah Silverman, it didn't-- I don't look-- I don't remember how that kind of brain. So you had a girlfriend at the time.

“I had a girlfriend, and then she had a boyfriend as well.”

And I also just, you know, the idea of dating somebody at work wasn't necessarily a plan I had, but when I broke up with my girlfriend, I just, like, you know, you know, you getting that period like, I'm not going to go out, you know, it was a fairly high profile relationship, whatever. I'm just going to-- so I would just hang out at the show after work.

I would just hang out at a group of us, and Molly was a part of that group there, like 10 of us, and we'd hang out every night, and then we had a lot in common, and she knew it was a terrible idea for us to date, and when I hadn't did it in any way, I was much more cavalier about the whole thing. I was like, it'll be fine.

You're like, I'm the boss. It'll be okay. It'll be okay for me, but I also went from, you know, a 13-year marriage to an eight-year relationship to dating Molly.

So I've never been in a situation where I've been like dating, you know, I've never had

anything like that. So on the apps. Yeah, that's not much. Yeah, or even-- There weren't even apps.

So you said earlier, you don't know what writer's block is, you don't get writer's block. You just used to crank it out stuff. Yeah. Have you ever cranked out anything where you're like, oh, I'm nervous about doing this.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Really? Really? Yeah.

But I tend to lean into those things. So if something makes me nervous, I have to be--I have to be talked out of it in a serious way. I'm always more relaxed about--and really, that's why I was fired from all those other

It's because I always thought, oh, they'll think this is funny.

Yeah. Yeah. I don't think I'm just funny. I don't think they're going to think this funny. This is like, you're fired.

I'll give you an example. Something terrible I did. This was today. Oh. OK.

Today is Ash Wednesday, right? Right. Oh, I forgot about that. You forgot about that. I did.

OK. Anyway, because we've been in this building all day. So my friend, comedian, John Millaney, texted me and Steven Colbert, and said,

"You guys have--you guys wearing a--you have Ash's some--you know, we're all Catholic."

You guys have your Ash's today. And Steven sends back a picture of himself and he's got him.

“It looks like it looks like he got hit with a charcoal briquette, you know?”

And then I am kind of looking at the picture. And I think, oh, this is, you know, this is a funny home. What a mess this priest made on his thing. And I go into the bathroom and I get a pastel. And I draw a penis on my forehead.

And I text it and I'm like, "Oh, my, I guess my priest thinks he's funny." You know? [laughter] And then I'll maybe I'll put that on Instagram. [laughter]

And, yeah, you know, that got--my wife was like, "Yeah, you're not gonna-- You will not-- You will not-- If it were up to you, it would have been thin, thin." It left my own devices.

Yeah, yeah. Probably what it done that is. And now in a way, I got, you know, what I kind of got what I needed because I did the worst part. [laughter]

And we're not left, everyone. I even sent it to my-- My priest growing up father-built Kenny. He lives in Las Vegas, Nevada. And I sent him the picture.

And I said, "Father-built, I went to church this morning. And let me know if you think this is appropriate, what the priest had." And then I sent him the picture. And then he said, "You need an exorcism." [laughter]

And you crack yourself up. I love him. You know, my other great man growing up, besides my aunt Chippy, who was my, you know, why would torture was my priest father-built.

Oh, no.

“I've been friends with since I was a kid, you know?”

And, but there's no better. There's no--there's no one who can be-- who gets more-- you get more shock value out of then. Oh, yeah. The priest from your church.

And he had a great sense of humor.

So he always started funny.

But I do crazy stuff in front of the other. And even at his-- It was his 50th anniversary of the priesthood. And they had a big-- Thousands of people came to celebrate in Vegas

and they called me, and they said, "Would you speak at this?" Oh, no. Yes, I would. So I had a painting made of father-built Bill to celebrate the engagement.

And I had an an easel. And I had, you know, a sheet hanging over it. I was going to reveal it. And I gave my-- and I talked about our relationship. And I made fun of him.

And it was bishops were there.

“And then I revealed the painting and it's a nude painting of it.”

Oh, my, sitting on a stool. Covering himself in just the right spots. [LAUGHTER] It was just great. It was really--

[LAUGHTER] Really? I loved not doing the same things I was doing when I was 14. [LAUGHTER] Oh.

So how does it feel that you have probably unintentionally entered into the space and comedy where you are-- You know, you become a truth teller. And, you know, and there are times when, you know, you've had to go serious. And even go dark.

It's so completely-- I shouldn't say dark, but just go real. How is that transition felt for you? Because at heart, you're a prankster. You know, you know, you're a morning show.

Radio guy, you know. But here we are in these times. And you have so bravely and boldly used your platform to speak truth the power, as they would say. Well, thank you.

I don't think of it as bravely. Boldly maybe would be a good description. But to me, it just seems obvious and unavoidable. And I don't see that-- I just can't imagine on those nights talking about anything other than

what we are talking about. And I give a lot of credit to my colleagues for doing the same thing. I think it would be embarrassing if we didn't talk about this stuff.

Not that I think everyone has a responsibility to speak out whatever

if you're comfortable doing that.

“But, you know, my job, I've always said since the very beginning,”

even when I was on the radio, is to talk about what is going on in people's lives and what is going on in, you know, and if you're doing local radio in your town, and if you're doing a national television show in your country, and these are things that I take very seriously.

And of course, you know, I like to-- I love telling jokes. I love being funny. I love when the audience laughs. There's nothing that's more exciting to me than that.

But well-rounded human beings don't behave that way. And to say that, "Well, your job is this." It makes me--

I bristle at that because, first of all,

don't tell me what my job is. You know, I don't tell you what your job is. My job is whatever I decide my job is, whatever my employer allows me to do. That's what my job is.

And comedians have been doing this for a long time. And, you know, from my generation, George Carlin, Richard Prior, it just shows a great deal of ignorance when it comes to comedy to say, "Well, Johnny Carson didn't do this." Like, well, first of all, we're living in a different time.

And secondly, how do you know Johnny Carson wouldn't do it? I bet Johnny Carson would talk about it. I bet Johnny Carson would be absolutely mortified by what's going on. And I do think that he would probably have a greater impact than any of us do.

But I don't love those nights. It's not-- I feel uncomfortable. I get emotional. I lose control sometimes of my emotions, which is embarrassing to me.

But I just feel like I wrestle with myself throughout the day. And I go, am I going to talk about this? Am I going to talk about this? Am I going to talk about this?

“And then I just go, "Yeah, of course you have to talk about this."”

You might not want to but you have to. And that's it. Yeah. I wish we didn't have to do it. I hope there's a day that we don't anymore.

And we can just go back to fun. It would be nice. It would be nice. Do you worry that comedians will censor themselves in this environment? I think what worries me most is when comedians warp their sensibilities for whatever reason.

Do people censor themselves? I don't know. Do television networks censor themselves? Absolutely.

Have they always censored themselves?

Yes, but for different reasons. I was listening to you guys talking Henry Winkler and ABC wouldn't let him wear his leather jacket unless he was riding a motorcycle. That's right. I mean, how quaint is that? Right.

Like leather jacket. So it's like, it's like, it's like, it's a little bit of a statement. Entry way to get membership. If you look at it, you'll go blind. But I do think that there are people who are pretending to be something other than what they are.

They are in search of an audience. And it's especially sad to me. Especially sad to me. Because you look at some of these comics and maybe they're not doing so great. You know, I'm going to pick up this maggot torch and maybe people will support me just because of that.

Well, it's important for people to know that for some of these folks. This is a game. This is a hustle. You know, more than more than more than not. I would bet.

Because there's a lot, you know, we've saw it in the White House, you know, especially around the holidays when there would be a set of people who would demonize my husband on TV and then be in line for picture with their grandchildren.

“You know, essentially saying my granddaughter loves you and, you know, and it's like, if you believe the things that you believe, I, if I believe this about someone, I wouldn't be in the line.”

I wouldn't be in the house. You know, so there's a lot of wink in a nodding that goes on. It's like, you know, and I think that is does it to service to the people who are following people. It's like, oh, how, how much do you believe in this, you know, stuff you're spewing, because if you don't believe it, don't play with people's lives like that. Yeah, it, it's, it's hard to, it's some, some levels, it's hard to understand and others.

And in a lot of ways. And I think I get a little more backlash than someone who maybe like John Stewart, who kind of came out of the, the shoot of very outspoken liberal, because I didn't talk about politics.

“And it because it wasn't really part of my act. It wasn't really something I wasn't particularly interested in.”

You were putting bombs in cigarettes and send in. I was supposed to be, I was with a few in sports jokes and this kind of stuff.

And I'm hosting the man show, you know, which people like were like, why you'd betray us, so like, no, I've never, I've always been like this. I, you know, my parents are, you know, and of course, you know, that's how it starts, whatever your parents are, usually that's what you are. You know, and my parents are very liberal people, you know, very, very, very liberal people. And I always have been, you know, I've, I've never voted for a public end of my life, just always been of this mindset. And I think people are like just shocked to hear it because you assume somebody you like is thinks like you and I don't mind if people think differently. I have some very close friends who think very differently.

And I'm okay with that. I understand that people have different life experiences and believe things, I know I personally believe certain things to be true for a long time, my life and realize that they weren't.

“And just you have to allow for that and lately, you know, I posted something on Instagram about some of these primarily podcasters who now are having second thoughts about who they endorsed for president.”

And I'm grateful to them for being honest and admitting that they were mistaken. I don't, it happens almost never, right, that people admit when they're wrong. It's the cardinal rule of maga is to never admit when you are wrong. And I can't think, first of all, it's the opposite of Christianity. I mean, it's the basis of the whole faith, you know, it's asking forgiveness. And that seems to be cast aside, but I welcome those people. I am, I, I don't think there's any way forward if we don't. That's what I think. Now, I've heard people that I have a great deal of respect for who with whom I'm on the same page, whatever you want to say, who go, oh, no, they must, you know, they must be punished for their sins. I disagree. What makes you excited about the future of comedy.

And I love the niche aspect aspect to comedy now, where you can like our announcer on our show, Lou Wilson, he does a show that's very popular on the internet about dungeons and dragons.

And he can do it and he can get an audience and he makes money from it. And it's amazing to me because even, you know, when I was coming up in order, you had to first get on the radio, which is like basically, how do you get on the radio if you're not on the radio. You just have to hang around. You just have to annoy them until they put you on a little bit. And then they put you on a little more and then hopefully you get better. But now, you know, open up your computer, you could do a whole show for, you know, your friends are for nobody, whatever. And then if it's good, it usually it catches on. And I think that's a lot of fun. And a lot of people see that as like the end of comedy as a business, but I think it's great. I mean, I think you'll see a lot more people doing it.

Maybe not for as much money, but you'd be able to, if you're good, you can make a living and really only talk about what you want to talk about.

And there are so many funny people out there. I mean, it's like, you know, I'm, yeah, I get funny things sent to me because I try not to be on social media a lot. I could spend the day just cracking up about people. I love that too. Like you know that when you get a video that's funny and it's somebody you've never seen before, that thousands of other people are also sending that video around.

“And that's just something it's one of the few good things I think about social media that, you know, we forget I think sometimes that there are also good things.”

And it is one of the good things is that exposure and just even those reps you get as, you know, when you're 15, you get to be on, you get to do a show every day. I think like in 40 years, we're going to have like some incredibly developed talents that are very unique and very unusual.

He's going to kill me. We had a comic named Mae Martin on the show last week who was very, very funny. And that's one of the great things about my, my job is sometimes I can see people and I can put them on television if I want to, you know.

But we've got a listener question too. We do. We always have a listener question that we can offer some advice to some one of our listeners.

Hi, my name is Andrea. I'm a mom of three year old twin girls and they're one year old baby brother and I have a full time job while my husband stays at home with the kids. He has the harder job by a thousand miles. I have a drive to be with my kids through their various phases, but being the sole breadwinner, I'm really only present on weekends and at bedtime. I know people, including you, say this time goes so quickly, so savor every moment. I also know that you raised your kids during what was probably the most stressful in public facing period of your lives.

“All that to say, I try to stay present and I'm also trying to parent myself first to show a good example to the kids when I am there. Can you give me a little guidance on prioritizing when to stay present?”

What to be there for? And what I shouldn't worry so much about so that my kids feel like their mom is both their foundation and a successful person to emulate? I want to be focused on the parts of parenthood that my kids can reflect on positively once they're out in the world being their spicy selves. Thanks, and I love your vibe.

Well, number one, Andrea, your husband comes first. No matter what.

Oh, sorry, I'm talking to Molly. We were ready for that one. That's the top one, especially for women, because there's these presumptions that I guarantee you if the roles were reversed there would be like, "Wow, what a great dad he is. He wouldn't be riding." Like, how can I be more present and be like, "I'm with these kids all week!" And sometimes at night. But it doesn't seem like we're now as adults expected to, I know we still have 24 hours in the day. Now I'm just comparing as we all do to what our parents did, right? They're still only 24 hours in the day.

And now we're expected to do so many more things. And I don't know why that is. I don't know if we've learned that we need to, or if it's pressure that we feel from others. I don't know what advice I would give other than you're doing your best, just do your best.

“And that's has to be enough because you have to be a work all day every day. And even just to hopefully the dad's doing a good job, right?”

And if he's doing a good job, which I don't know, it sounded like she thinks he's doing a good job. She wasn't complaining. You wouldn't have heard about it. Let him do his job. You do your job and then you do as much of the job together as you can. And release that, that guilt. My wife, this, we have this conversation too. I feel like I'm not, you know, I'm not doing, I'm not doing enough work. I'm not doing enough for the kids.

I'm not doing enough at home. And you know, of course, I'm always full of wisdom.

“She says, you have your own mind. What do I think I was, what can I say to get out of this room without causing anything?”

And what I did was I, I touched her on the face and I said, you're doing a great job. You're doing everything you can. And that's all you can do. And I walked right out of the room. And I was so pleased with myself. Yeah, I mean, even just like me recounting this, I'm feeling surge of pride in the way I handle it like you wouldn't a movie. You were, and seen, and very good off to work. What a great man.

What a great man. But it's hard, right? Yeah, sure, it is. But I do think you're right to me. I mean, the one thing I would say to Andrea is really trying not to parent from guilt because I think that's more damaging than how much time you are or are not spending. Like if you try to replace your time with the wrong things like being more lenient or, you know, always being the fun parent.

they're raised by a mother that feels guilty. So they, they learn to play on that guilt and that may not be that that is not the best thing for them.

“So I learned that my kids react to the schedule the way I react to it, the way Barack reacts to it, right? We learn that in the White House.”

So we started going, okay, yeah, we live in the White House. It's really no big deal. It's just, this isn't about you. Just go to school. Yes, you have security, but, you know, that's just the state of life. You're fine. You know, this isn't about you. What your dad does isn't about you and all you have to do is take care of your business. You know, and I found that with them having their regular routine and their lives on track, the older they get that's that's really what they care about, you know, but if there's something that they can count on like this is the time I have with my mom.

And it's good time, you know, so that you're not so that she's not using the guilt, the time just being guilty, that she's still showing up for full self for the time that she has so much better than my advice to Andrea. Yes, today we were at lunch and this place has a gift shop as well. And so we're waiting for the food and I'm sitting with my daughter Jane and my wife is in the gift shop with Billy and Jane goes into the gift shop and they come back and they're having a negotiation. Jane wants a jelly cat. These are these stuff animals that are very popular and they make different ones and she's like, mom, I just want and Molly said, well, you know, you should your birthday's in July and you should put that on on your birthday list then if you want it, but we're not buying a jelly cat right now and they go back and she and my daughter's relentless, you know, she's going on and she's like,

“but I did this and that and so no Jane, I said, no, you know, whatever and I'm sitting there watching the whole thing on finally I go, I'll buy it for you.”

And I just, and they both started cracking. I just, I'm just going to be the worst parent imaginable.

Yeah, and no less we're learned. Yeah, and none, none whatsoever, you just screwed Molly, that's all you did. So recently, I felt it was okay. Totally ran over you back over Molly and then drove back over her. Oh, goodness. Good luck, Andrea. Yeah, yeah, you're going to be fine. You're going to be fine. Well, this has been great. Yeah, it was a lot of fun. Yeah, what's next on the Jimmy Kimmel train. Let's see.

“I have an appointment with my aunt on Friday. Is that interesting?”

Nothing. You know, we're off for the rest of the week. I'll rest up and then go right back out. Right back into the mess. Yeah, and it is a mess. It's a mess, but you handle it beautiful. Oh, thank you. You really do.

I finally handle something beautiful. Yeah, well, yeah, you've got this one down. Yeah, that's fun. It's fun watching you.

Yeah, yeah. And thank you for gracing us, you know, turn that out. Oh, yeah, my pleasure. I feel being on the other side of the interview. Cheers. Fun, actually. You know, I like talking to you guys. You're, you're, I like to love the brother sister dynamic. I could probably ask you 10,000 questions about that. Just start with both beyond. Yeah, that would be fun. That would be fun. Maybe on like, national sibling stay or something like that. And we could play a joke on Craig. Oh, well, well, you.

But you'll forget about it. You can just both do something to answer. Oh, my God, no, no, I know. Because I do not want to be responsible for any kind of accident. It's like, I don't know. I'm going to kill her eventually. My soul go out and, you know, in an A level.

Thank you so much. Thanks for having me. You're doing. We love you. Thank you so much.