Turn off Your Socials with Angel Reese

What's beat, first of all, of the nails, that's like the guys, your face is like done, your face is like, like the makeup part is beat, your face, your body, your nose, your beat, your body, so that's why having a good beat means your face is done and it's made up.

Got it, got it, got it. Yeah, it's an adjective, yeah, it's beat, that was a blow.

“You don't have makeup on in the game, do you? Yeah, we just said that. Where were you?”

I missed it. I didn't think it was me. I wore a beat, he was trying to hold it in what a beat is. This episode of IMO is brought to you by progressive insurance. Me, Craig Robinson. How are you? I'm doing great. I'm doing pretty good. How about you? I feel busy. Right. Yeah. When you have kids still in school is a busy time. And you're in basketball season. That's right. And again, how many teams are you facilitating?

So I'm coaching eighth grade as well as assistant coaching high school. And then I'm the NABC is preparing for the final four, which is an ABC is National Association of Basketball Coaches, which is your side job. It's my full-time job. And you know, the interesting thing, the final four is an Indianapolis this year. Oh, so that's good for you. That's for me because it's close by, but all three divisions are having their championship in the Indianapolis area.

“So that's kind of division one division two division three. So it's going to be, is it?”

I won't say that thing. I'll say it'll be a festival. Yeah, this is, it's rare that they have them all together. So it's sort of a celebration of the game. Talking about basketball. Oh, man. Talking about, yes. Talking about some goats talking about talking about an honorary Chicago win. Yes, we've got. I'm really excited for our guests this episode. Craig wanted you to do the honors that we can get to. I will. I will. We are talking about today. We have Angel Reese on.

She is an NCAA champion. Two-time WNBA all star in addition to her incredible achievements on the court. She hosts the podcast unapologetically angel.

Fellow podcaster, which I'm really interested in talking to her about that. She's also an entrepreneur with brands like Reebok, Victoria Secret. Reese's, which is one of my favorite candies and beats. And in 2023, she founded the Angel C. Reese Foundation dedicated to empowering girls and women through sports education, financial literacy and more. Great. And she wore her heels today. So she's taller than me, which makes me feel so good without further ado. Angel Reese. It's so good to have them here. You are gorgeous gorgeous gorgeous gorgeous gorgeous.

Well, this is what we call in our family normal height. Yes, you know, tall queens and we wear our heels. You know, ladies, me and my girls. It's like, brother's better, you know, better watch out. Get the confidence.

It's like you might have to be looking up for a second. But girl, you are gorgeous. Thank you.

Cool. I am so happy to have you here. Oh, my God, reading your resume, your introduction. Now I would think he'd be about 50 years old.

“That's so funny. But I'm like, you're a baby. I am a baby. You are a baby. And I try to like remember that sometimes I get caught off guard.”

Yeah. I'm still 23. I'm like living this life. Really? And like try to get myself so much grace. Yeah. But at the same time, it's like it's all coming so fast. Like everything came so fast for me. So I'm so soak it up. But you are handling yourself beautifully. I mean, it's not just what you do. But the way you carry yourself, girl. I mean, it is really a joy to watch you manage it all. And you do it with a smile on your face with an excellent attitude. Thank you. So I am just coming from you, the queen. The queen.

I don't think they were making girls like you when I was grown up. I mean, I mean, what you said and can get 10 rebounds again.

Yes, yes. Oh, what missed you? I know. I wasn't there. I wasn't there. I saw her. Yes, the way. But she's still young. I mean, it's just, oh, man, it's so nice to see. That's not the fresh air. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yes. And the passion with which you play is so fun. I love it. Yeah. Well, let me start because I hear that I am a reality TV fan. And I know you are into love Island. Yes, girls got me into love Island because I wasn't.

Yeah, I would always just click past it because it just seemed like too much.

Yeah. And then one time they were like, mom, you just have to sit here and watch with us.

“Yeah. I think it was the season before last.”

Yep. And man was I hooked. I mean, oh, it's crazy. It's crazy. It's crazy. I can't help you here. Can I watch it? No. He doesn't watch any of it. We're trying to get him. We're trying to show. No, that's what world of TV. It's some old, you know, he's first to hold TV. He's like, well, he's not a good person.

He's not on anymore. Why does it work? He'd be watching. I've worked for a whole lot of people. I've worked for a whole lot of people. You know what? I watch movies. Okay. Old movies. And I watch things to prepare for the podcast. Okay. And then I'm watching basketball probably because of my job and because of my kids.

Yeah. Because I'm watching you. I'm watching a lot of basketball. Okay. So he's watching nothing fun. But sometimes you've got to watch some trash TV or something like this. Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. Do you watch and trade traders? I haven't watched traders. Oh, I don't watch. Like I watch TV sometimes. But like when something is trending. It is good. So like traders is good. Okay. What is that on? Well, it's on.

It's on Brava. Is it on Brava? It's on Brava. It's on Brava. It's on Brava. It's on Brava. It's on Brava. It's on Brava. It's on Brava. It's on Brava. It's on Brava. It's on Brava. But all these celebrities, a lot of them from reality TV.

Yeah. Rob from Love Island is on this year. Okay. I'm going to watch that. Put that on here. But he's on Love Island, you're saying. He was on Love Island. Oh, okay. What's the point of Love Island? You're going to find love on an island.

“And everybody's in it because everybody's naked.”

Yeah. And also lessen. I was right up my own. Right up my own. It's like this and something here over here. Lastly, I had Janae Craig on my podcast.

I was on this season, not this season, but last season. And she was telling me, I was like, "Well, you're not nervous going on there. Like, "Get the kiss on the people." All these different people. Like, your parents are watching.

Yeah. We're going to have a bikini on. She was like, at first I was like, yeah. Like, my mom, they're very religious. Yeah. So her mom was like, "Don't do that again." Like, she said, "Yeah. She's all her mom.

She hid it from her mom for so long." And she was telling me, she was like, "She wouldn't do it again." But she loved the results from everything that came from it. But... Wait, her mom found out on TV.

Yes, her mom did not know. That's wrong. That is not right. Now, I do think that that's a little, you know. I would be thrown. If I looked up and Tasha Malera on TV, the bikini,

and I didn't know. Yeah. I'd be like, "Girls." And smooching up with a bunch of people. It's more than stooching up.

They're doing it all. They're like, "Well, yeah." And they all sleep in the same room. And they get there and up, I get coupled up. That is.

And they're like, "Young, they're like, "Yeah." Everybody's like, "Within there 20s and 30s." And they're like, "Try and I find love." Yeah.

And it's like, I always, I always ask all of them.

Like, "Are you here to intentionally find someone? Or are you trying to win the money?" Because they're good at it. Yeah. Yeah.

So, you're not trying to get married. Like a bachelor, right? You are. It's not the end goal. It's not like you're going to get married.

But this is your home. You were also into the other side of the villa. Like, a lot of them have lived outside like Serena. And they're like still with their partner. Yeah.

And they're still living outside the villa. Because you're in a villa.

“Like, you need to see what their everyday life is.”

Yeah. Outside of it. So, like, these couples get out and they get out into the real world. Yeah. And sometimes the relationships last and sometimes they don't.

Yeah. Some of them don't. But anyway. You're trying to get me to watch out. I'm trying to be interested.

I'm going to be fighting for you to watch. I know. I can't win. How do you like podcasting? I like it.

I feel like I get to know different people. I'm in different professions.

I never really think I would talk to.

This is actually my first time going on somebody else's podcast. Because I like being in the one in control. I'm like, I actually did. Yeah. Yeah.

So this is my first time doing it. So I like to, like, now being able to be in a different scene and what it feels like. But I do it with the enjoy, like, getting to know everybody. I make my space. So people can come on there and be themselves.

And to feel like a safe space. Like, I don't want them to come on there. And feel like this is a trap. We're trying to get drama. We're trying to get click based.

Like, I don't want any of that. Like, I want them to just be able to come on there and just have a good time. And everybody that's been on there just had, has had a good time. And I would love it. Who is the oldest person you've had.

Probably. Oh. Oh. Oh. Yeah.

Shacks have the oldest. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Shacks have the oldest. OK. Shack has been pretty instrumental. Yeah. I saw the Reebok documentary.

Yes. It was good to see him and in the sort of the quest to get Reback back on the map. Yeah. How's that going?

How are you feeling? Yeah. It's been great.

I mean, when I first started talking to him, Shack went to LSU and I went to LSU as well.

So his daughter was in the recruitment process of trying to come to LSU.

“And he asked me when it was like, what would it take for you to come to Reebok?”

And I was like, I'm not really interested in signing a shoe. Like, this is before I won the championship. So people knew who I was and I had a good following. But like, I hadn't done much. I didn't do anything.

And I feel like being able to sign to a shoe brand was something that was like, big. Wait, this was when you were still in college. And I hadn't even won the championship. Yeah. I won the championship my junior year.

But this was like September, October of my junior year. So I hadn't won anything yet. But so you were more concerned with winning, having a winning pedigree than cash in the track. Yeah. I wanted to win first.

I went to win. Because I didn't want it to look like I was just based off of my name. And I went and he was like, what would it take? And I'm like, I don't know. I'm not really looking for it.

Like, we'll figure it out when it gets there. So when I find the one in the championship, we were still in talks and connections. And he was like, anything you ever need. Like, I'll make sure I get it for you or it'll help you out. And after one in the championship, all the different shoe brands started reaching out.

So I was like, okay, well, I want to go around prioritized. Right. And to be prioritized as a woman, as a black woman, and helping a brand to come back. And regenerate where it was. That was something that was really important to me.

I mean, everybody worships everybody. So they didn't have a woman that was the face of their brand. And it shocked me. He was like, you could be the face of rebat.

And I didn't believe in my first.

And I was like, I don't know because I know how women can be accepted. And I just know how it could be for a woman and trying to get into an issue. And I was like, he was like, just trust me. Yeah. So I signed a rebat.

And we started just working together and building certain things. And I told him, like, I want to incorporate fashion with basketball. And that was the biggest thing for me. And since then, it's just been history. You've been able to create the shoe, it's just, it's been phenomenal.

“Man, how where did you get your savvy and your maturity?”

I mean, just, you know, you had a strategy coming into this. I mean, you know yourself. And I also saw the documentary on NIL, right? When you were at LSU and watching you handle all that. I mean, going to school, playing, starting.

Yeah. The pressure and still basically working a full-time brand. Where did you get your sophistication, your strategic thinking? Yeah. Probably from my mom.

My mom was an independent single mom that raised me and my brother. And I knew I had to get the college scholarship. There was no way she was going to be able to pay out of pocket for school. So I was like, okay, let me find something that I know that I really love and enjoyed to do that can get me to college.

So I was highly recruited, sixth grade, seventh grade, eighth grade. I was, I went to the University of Maryland initially in Maryland. Maryland. Baltimore. Baltimore.

Baltimore. Because I wanted to stay close to home. I wanted to stay close to my family and my grandparents. Or the ones that took me places. Dorne torn them in and then my mom took my brother places.

And we always made it short.

They made sure it worked for us. So I always wanted to make sure I did it for my mom. And then when I finally transferred to LSU, I had already been posted on Instagram. Like, I love fashion.

I love to have cute stuff. I love what my real is like. I love all of that. So I was like, I need to make sure I continue to have a brand outside of basketball.

“That was just something I was important to me.”

I didn't know about an aisle initially. I was like, we should be getting paid. It was no. We should be getting paid. So the first two years, I wasn't getting paid.

None of us were getting paid. Right. And when I, when we, the deadline, it was like July 1st, I was like, I need to find somebody to help me get my brand, my brand, align with things that I want to do.

And it was slow in the beginning. I always saw this story. I'm not signed to an agency, but I was working with Janine. That's my agent. I work with now.

That's courtesy. She's not here. Oh, Janine's not here. But I started as a Janine. But I signed to an agency initially.

That Janine was with. And they told me that I wasn't going to make more than $2,000. This was at the very end. This is a very end. So I told myself, I know I'm going to make more than $1,000.

Me and Janine left. We did our own thing. It was just me and her. And she left the agents. She left agency with me.

Okay. We took a bold step and we're like, we're going to do this in her own. So we started doing it and started doing it. And then we went out. When we wanted to ask for a championship, that's when we added two more people.

But we're a very, very small group. Like a lot of people are signed with a big agency. But we're very small. It's just us. Like it was all one minute, one point.

And then we had my financial money.

Like it was all one minute, one point. And then we had my financial leader. My financial advisor, my lawyer.

“Those are the guys that hit the big stuff.”

Guys, the guys are there. My mom is very. My mom sees all my accounts. I didn't trust anybody with my money because I'm a mom. Yeah.

And I knew nobody was going to back door me. Yeah. I knew my mom was going to be the one for me. So I kind of had the plan. That took risk.

I was like, I'm going to do this. This is what I want to do. I know I'm going to be able to do fashion. I'm going to be able to be a basketball player for one start of podcast. I can do it.

Yeah. I just had big dreams. And luckily, I was able to accomplish them at such a crazy fast pace. But I definitely had a plan. Yeah.

Yeah. So you do this podcast thing. We treat this like you're at a house. Yeah. We like jumping around on all different stuff.

Because I want to go back to when, when did you fall in love with basketball? Yeah. Yeah. So I did. I ran track.

I did cheerleading. When running track. Did you run field? What did you do? I was running.

Well, let me say the story. Okay. I was running a 400 one time. Ooh. That's awesome.

Oh. My mom was up there. And I was running. I did my first lap. Can I just stop for the moment?

And I fell out. And you're like, oh, I can't do it. So embarrassed. It was at a meet. It was at a meet.

It was thousands of people there. But let me tell you.

“That's what the 400 makes you feel like.”

Like you want to stop. Like your body. I just tell you. Stop. I could have done it.

So I tried cheerleading. And I had a next door neighbor that I was hanging out with. Then I said, look, I hate cheerleading. I hate cheerleading. But I'm just going to do it.

She snitched to my mom one day and told her that I hated cheerleading. My mom took me off the meet one day. The cheerleading me. She's like, you're not doing this. If you don't want to do it, don't do it.

So she was a coach. And I used to go around and play basketball. She used to coach at their grades. Your mom was a coach. She coached like a third grade team.

And I was like four or five years old. And I used to just go and play basketball around the gym and play. Why she was practicing? Now was your brother playing at this point. My brother was not playing yet.

Okay. He wasn't playing yet. Okay. He wasn't. He was a late bloomer.

Okay.

“So we started playing with with each other.”

Probably like when we were eight and nine. And she coached us. Okay. So I was on all boys team. And it was just me.

I was on the girl. And she coached us.

And she should never do that again.

Me and him. He's the fight. We should go at it. It was crazy. It really helped me and it really built me.

But I really enjoyed. Like I would never take that point for granted. Like having my mom like coach me. Yeah. It was mine.

And so. What grade was this? This was like fifth grade. Okay. Six grade.

Six grade and seventh. You started getting recruited. Yeah. I was playing. Well, when I was in third grade.

I was playing on the fifth grade team. So by the time I was in fifth grade and sixth grade. I was kind of already advanced. Like I had already knew what I was doing. I was also short.

I was short. I was a point guard when I was younger. I used to wear a goggles. Oh. I was a point guard.

So that's kind of where I had my ball head and leg skills from. Because I was a guard when I was younger. It makes sense. And then I just eighth grade is when like I just shot up and got tall. And I was just like.

Oh, I hated it. I hated it. I hated it. Because like all the guys were like. Oh, I'm the tall and girl.

The class and the class. Yeah. I never understood. Yeah. We don't know.

We don't catch up. You don't get it. You don't get it. And so you see like, but like nobody instilled like my grandma used to tell me like you're

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I love volleyball. It was so fun. I thought it was something I could just continue to help me. I thought that helped me with rebounding as well. She has a record held at UMBC in Maryland. She did say to you, "All right, you've got to get 10 rebounds a game."

“She's never been the type that would like you need to do this. She always let me be free. She always let me because she trusted that she knew that I will work hard”

and know that I can get to my goal because I worked hard. She trusted me.

Now, my brother on that hand, when he went to college, she was like, "What are you doing?" She knew that I was going to always be successful because she trusted me.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Did you guys, I do? What was your relationship with your mom? Was it like when you like friends? Yeah. She like, "I'm not one of your little friends." Yeah, that was the wish. And so I got to college. I worked there when we got to college. I didn't have to come over for a time. Do certain things and maybe my brother I'll 11 months apart. Okay. So we used to try to be close to.

Yeah, we used to try to, let's not tell mom this and tell mom that. So we were super close when we were younger and then when we got older we just all like best friends. Yeah, we took from the group chat and just have a good time. And I think parents understand once you're out of the house and like, we're adults.

“And we understand what life is about now because you've taught us so many great things. And I don't think, I think you know that we're not going to do anything crazy or get in any trouble because I know you're going to get on me.”

That's right. It's like you've got to be more afraid of me than you are. Yeah, I'm still afraid of my mom. Yeah, I'm still afraid of my mom. Yeah, and I said to my girl say the same thing, I was like, I'm good with that.

Yeah, I think I think a little fear is is is good for all the parents out there. No, like let your kids like you when they're adults, but it's still then they should be a little afraid. Yeah, it's just a little afraid. Yeah, I saw my kids. I'm easy to manage. Yeah, just do what you supposed to do.

Yes. Yeah, I'm easy to manage. Did you guys go to the same high school? Initially, no, he went to a public school when I went to a private school. My four years, and then I used to tell him like, I don't like the situation.

And like, I used to watch his situation at the public school. Yeah, because public school sometimes is like, it's too much going on. I think he needed the undivided attention of being at a private school. What is it with small little sisters taking care of their older brothers? No, this is my little brother.

My little brother. Okay. I kind of felt like I knew it was best for him. I got you. And he was successful.

He was able to still thrive. But yeah. I had to like watch him.

Like always say my mom like my mom like just lets me be independent.

And she's like still babies. My brother.

“I'm like, you have to let him live life.”

That's that's what happened here too. See. The mom is boys. Yes. She is.

I'm so proud. It's a rough life. It's just a rough life. I had to take her to the White House before she noticed. She's like, Craig.

Craig, fine. I'm like, she's like, is she fine? I'm like, I don't know. He just got, he's playing with the G league and in Toronto. And she went down to set his room up.

I'm like, oh, what is going on? What? What? You didn't go with that. What?

But I love it. Because I know that that's what makes him feel comfortable. That makes me feel comfortable for him. Yeah. He says.

Yeah. He's like, how do you feel about girlfriends in his life? Oh. Let's talk about that for a bit. I am open to what he likes and loves.

But I definitely will let him know. Like, this might not be the best situation for you. And I see it. It always folds out. How, how, how.

You're already, you always know.

I always know what I'm talking about. She's like, just let him live. Like, yes, to go through it. Poor kid. It's like, if you do something to my brother, man, I'm not going to be happy.

Go on down. Yeah. Let's understand that ladies. Don't be messing with. Angel's little baby.

So he, he hasn't met anybody who's like you. I don't think he's capable of being with somebody like me. Okay. Okay. To his bottom.

Yeah. I don't think he's able to be with the woman that has her own. I think a lot of men are not able to have. That requires. Present company excluded.

Yeah. I think it's harder. Yeah. I think it takes a strong man to be able to be open to a woman that has her own. That works on her own to those her own things and doesn't necessarily need you.

And that is not catering to. Yeah. It's like when you have your own thing. Yeah. You don't have time to make sure you're this.

Yeah. Make sure because you know, you're, you know, you've got your own path. Yes. Yes. It is, it is a difficult thing.

I mean, I feel very blessed that, you know, my husband. He's been in his before all of this. Yeah. He had to be completely secure with all of this. Yeah.

That was me. Yeah. How I, for sure. I moved. How I, you know, and it's a great thing.

Yeah. Yeah. My mom.

“That's how my mom was like, my mom was very like.”

She taught me how to cut a grass if I needed to. If I need to change like a tire like, yeah. She made me so independent like. If I'm coming in the relationship. So I don't need you.

Yeah. You're just the plus to me. Yeah. And I kind of, when I tell my brother, I'm like, you want to woman that is also ambitious because you don't want to deal with.

You don't want to be with somebody that's not driven. That is not going to push you to be better because when you're slack and you need somebody. That's right. Tap your head. You got to get up and come on.

I say of relationship is like a basketball team. It's like everybody's got to be able to shoot dribble score and defend everybody. Yeah. It's like you wouldn't pick your team and be like, I only dribble. Yeah.

And it's like, you know, because you never know what life is going to have before you.

You know, it's like you want to, you want a partner that is bringing what you're bringing to the table. Yeah. Because life happens. Somebody could get sick. Somebody could.

Yeah. Life be life. Life be life. We just can't just pause for a moment. I want to let the producers mark this time that my sister used the basketball analogy.

I put the first time in a whole year. Analogy. Not with me. But I do when I'm talking to men trying to get them to understand. That's like, you want a partner that can bring it all.

Yes.

“And I tell my daughters, you have to be able to do everything.”

Yes. I don't want you to ever count on somebody. I've seen too many friends who you know, they, they serve the role. They did what they were supposed to do. And then somebody walked out on them or somebody died.

It's unfortunately. It takes us a while. How long? When we get old. How long?

I would say to me, I was probably in my early 30s when I was like confident. Okay. Well, don't. I like I think that it's not the same for everybody though. Like there's some guys who probably have that at 25.

Yeah. I've met some guys who've had it early, but I would think around 30 is the right age.

Especially for somebody is polished and as you are. Yeah. You might be made. Yeah. Sorry.

I touched you off. No, no. No, no.

“I, I, because I want to hear your opinion as the man is.”

I never understood though.

Yeah. But just, is it? I want to know. Do you feel like it's a threat? When you were younger in your early days.

You feel like because I grew up in a household of strong women. Yeah. I didn't see it as a threat. It was more. I wasn't ready to be responsible.

The be as responsible as you. Yeah. My sister was at an earlier age. I was still, you know, I was trying to play basketball. Yeah.

I'm trying to be out there and see what, what this all brings. And then when I stopped playing, I was trying to make a living. Yeah. And I was really focused on that. I think it's like the lifestyle too.

Like you get so caught up in the lifestyle. Especially the guys.

You have so much access to everything.

Yes. And you don't understand what it even looks like to be in a rural relationship or be with someone that is driven and has their own, like, oh, she. I woke up today because I saw you woke up at five. And now I'm about to get up and get up at five.

30 because I'm motivated to keep going and get up and do things. And I think that is important. Especially it's one thing that I've seen so much in the dating world.

“And I think being able to be around people and be around someone that really understands”

and is very ambitious and talks long term things. I like to be educated too because I don't know everything. That's right. Tell me about the investments and how to do certain things. And ask that because I wasn't taught that in school.

They don't teach that in school. No, they don't teach that anywhere. But I think that is really important. And I think I've had eye open to that and not just over the year. It's just just being in the life and the space that I've been now, like,

realizing like it's bigger than the lifestyle. Like other than the day, we have to turn the social media off. Everything that we see. And we have to sit and lay down and embed together. And this is reality.

How do you, how are you managing it? I mean, your, your, your, your, first of all, it's your generation. It's your profession. It's the, how do you, how do you make the separation? Yeah.

How do you keep yourself saying? Yeah. And still, you know, get the job done. I think I tried to have some type of normalization of knowing where I've come from.

I would never forget that.

I don't want to ever feel like I'm bigger than anything. So I always sit back and and just think like I'm so grateful. I'm so thankful. Um, I love being able to just to come home and turn my phone off. And just relax and just doing the things that I enjoy laying in bed and just laughing and just having a good time with the people that I love and enjoy.

So I think I've over the years. It's been hard for me to to realize that. But I think the maturity of just understanding like social media isn't real. Mm-hmm. The reality.

Say that again. Social media is not real. Okay. And everybody. I think we get so caught up in that.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. Years probably I would comment back at things and let things continue to bother me. But now it's just late. Well, you know, girl, it takes some people until now.

Yeah. My age 62 to realize that it's just beautiful that, you know. And it looks, I, I adore you. It's fun to watch you. But I also want to make sure you're protecting your soul through all of this.

Yeah. And a lot of young people don't even know that they need to protect themselves. Yeah. So I'm glad to hear that you understand this fully. Yeah.

Now, I think now I've over the last two years. I've been able to understand it.

“Do I think what has happened to me over the years is normal?”

No. Not at all. And it's acceptable. No. Not at all.

But understanding. This is my new reality of what life is about. And being able to just be grateful and graceful of everything that I'm able to enjoy. I'm just being able to come home and let my hair down. And then just walk around the house.

Like, just being able to enjoy the little things. And like, now that's just the things I enjoy. I can't go to the grocery store and do the same things I used to be able to do. Go to the concert and just have a good time or just go to the hair. Right now.

Now I just enjoy the little things at home when I can't. What? I have to back up. And because you said you were talking about being bullied when you because you were tall. Yeah.

I think and correct me if I'm wrong. All the stuff that you've had to go through has prepared you for your handling now. And I have to say, so I started following you when you were at LSU. So I didn't know you when you were at Maryland. So when you started being on TV and I was like, oh, look at this beautiful woman getting all these rebounds.

And being able to really play. Like, I could tell you could handle the ball. Yeah. I can tell you can see the game by the way you pass. You're seeing now sports is like reality TV.

The media wants to manufacture some stuff. And I just want you to know that I noticed how you handled yourself.

You can't really teach that.

You can talk to people about it. But you can't teach what you went through. Yeah. I don't think anybody will ever understand. And so if for those young people, not just women coming up behind you,

“how would you talk to them about what you went through?”

I think it was a really pivotal point in my life. I think it was a character builder for me to be able to go through what I was going through. Especially at a time where I won. Yeah. But in my losing at the same time, when I'm feeling like I'm getting pulled by the winds,

but I'm also getting pulled by the losses. And how do I find a medium where I'm able to just cope with both? Yeah. And figuring that out. And like, I've had to eliminate people out of my life.

And eliminate people out of my circle. Being able to find people that genuinely just outside of by you barbie, shy town barbie, outside of everything like Angel. Who's Angel? Yeah.

And just being able to enjoy great company. I think that's really important. I mean, in just continuing, just to be confident.

I think everybody always acts me like,

"Are you alright?" Like, yeah, I'm as alright as I can be. And everything is not great, but I try to wake up every day and just be grateful for every moment. Every moment hasn't been great,

“but I wouldn't change this life for anything.”

Because I have to have some really good moments. And I don't want bad moments to outshine the good moments. Because I know I've been able to bless my family, but bless the community being able to start a foundation. And I never would have thought I was able to start a foundation.

This age, I never would have thought that. Being able to just continue to thrive in basketball, have a sneaker. And just being able to do so many great things. I try not to let the negative outshine the positive. But like I said, I keep my circle very small.

I love who I love when I am big on loyalty. I love the people around me. I appreciate you guys for making this a safe space for me. Because like you said, the media has not always been great for me. No.

No. I'll take a fine. I'll catch a fine. Especially in the WMB.

I'll take a fine before I have to go to media and feel like I'm my back.

Because it gets to walk. Yeah. So I really appreciate you guys for allowing me to come on here. And this feels like a safe space. And one of the safest spaces that it's been in a very, very long time for me.

Well, we've had our share. Yeah. You know, I mean, I, you know, it's, you know, I completely understand, you know, the challenges that you face.

And, but doing it at 23. I mean, you know, by the time we got in the White House, we were in our 40s. So it's like a big difference to have to deal with that kind of spotlight. Yeah.

So, so that, tell me this, the, the negative stuff that you've been through. I don't want to stay on the negative. But the negative stuff you've been through has it changed your passion or love for the game. All right. Good.

I don't think anybody can dictate the love and joy or take that away from me. Good. I think, um, I've been through so much at a pivotal time. Like I said, when I was winning so much, now it's like everything is a win to me.

The small things are a win to me. So I don't even let the negativity get to me. Like, it, it doesn't bother me. You see it. I see it.

We all see it. And it's like, is, I, I, I've got, I've grown to have a skin where you can't break me. Yeah. Good. You just can't break me.

I feel like I've learned over the years. Also, when I've spoken out on those things, a things that I have gone through is backfire or anything. Anything, anything. So I feel like you, you damn me if you do damn me if you don't.

You say something and it's a problem. You don't say something is, it's still a problem. And, and you know that the people you have surrounded yourself with. Um, your family, your team.

“That's, those are only people you need to care about.”

That's what our mom used to tell us. Just worry about who's at this kitchen table right here. Don't worry about these other folks. Yeah, it's like, come here. Come home, give me love.

Yes, you need to come to your team. Yeah, go to your team or come to home. Yeah. And that's true for everybody. Yeah.

Everybody should be that way. But it's hard. Especially your generation when everything is judged. Yeah. And hearing you talk about social media like a 60 year old.

Yeah. Because I know you're not sitting there swiping and doing down on a rabbit hole. Oh, man, I might, I might just give up playing because the same work that I can. I can be a fashion designer. Yeah, no.

A shoe sales person. I can, you can do whatever you want. Yeah. No way to say I just makes you go harder. Like good.

I'm so. Yeah, I have so many goals. It's like. If I stop now, I proved you right. And I proved you right.

Like, and I have nothing to prove to anybody by myself.

Nobody can, I'm not going to let the outside control. Yeah.

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“Okay, what part of your game are you working on this summer?”

Everything. Okay, that was quick. Seeing that, but then you distill sounded like a baby right there.

Everything.

“This is going to go off season for me now.”

This is my first time I was able to have a real off season.

And that's been the difference. So when I came from college, so with the weather to the lead. Yeah, the way WMBA works, you go already to the lead. I was driving on April 15th, I was in Cherner camp by April 29th. Right after the college season.

Right after the college season. Yeah, there's no break. So I did that my work here and then last year and then this is the first off season. So I was able to enjoy my off season and do some of my sneaker stuff and just continue to build my game. And then now I wide train for the USA team.

Because that's a big goal for me to pay on the 2028 LA team. So I trained and did a lot of stuff with that in December. And they just announced that I made the World Cup team. So I'm looking forward to that. And then I'm going to go and play on rival for the last three games.

And hopefully we get to the finals and run it back. So. How was Chicago? The city is beautiful. That's why we're not there.

Oh, it's the best. The food, the vibes like the city. It's like a small town big city. Yeah. People are really nice.

Lovely. It's like that Midwestern.

“You know, everybody's, it's sort of, I always say it's because it's southern.”

Yeah. You know, it's like black folks migrated from south. Everybody went down south for the sun. It's like it's got that that southern welcoming vibe. I was hoping you were enjoying your stuff.

The culture there. Like they show up. They sell out our games. They love, they love us. And going to a city where the legacy of Chicago and sports speaks for itself.

Like it was an honor to be able to be in the city. We still love the city. And though we don't live there. Yeah. But we've got the presidential city opening up in June.

Yeah. And we still have our home. Yeah. In high park. Okay.

Yeah. So we're going to be doing a lot of work. And hopefully we can do some things together. Yes, yes, yes. With your foundation.

You know, we're working with girls and young leaders. Yeah. And it would be great to figure out some ways. We can do some things together for city. Talk about your foundation.

Yeah. I want the folks out here to hear about it. Yeah. So when I started my family. Well, let's start back when I was in high school.

I went to a school called St. Francis Academy in Baltimore. If I'm here, the jail is right there in Baltimore City. There were about 250 students in the school. Probably about 50 us were women.

And I always saw myself like, I want to be able to give a scholarship back to the school.

However, I can. If it's just to a woman to a player on the team. Somebody. I was like, I want to do that. When I started when everything happened with the National Championship.

I was like, this money can't just be said, I can't be just spending. I got to get back to the community and get back to where I know I was from. And where I was founded. So St. Francis was the first thing I was able to do. I was able to give a scholarship away first.

Then I did my back to school event there and giving backpacks. And everything away for the entire community. And then I was like, nobody ever taught me what it's like to have a lump sum of money. Because I was a generation of having this much money. And I didn't know what to do with it initially.

And I'm learning on the going learning on the fly. But how about as I'm learning? I'm teaching some young girls of how to do it as well. And how to be confident within themselves to have a big sister like as myself. And being able to feel and touch them and they can see me.

Because when you see it, you can believe it. You can be it. Yeah. Wonderful. Alright, let me switch.

And I don't want to make this personal. But as a young person out here. Because I had two young daughters. Like, what do you make of the dating scene? And I know it's hard for you.

Yeah. Because you're beautiful in your smart and you know your own thing.

I'm always like, what does it feel like being out here these days?

And that's not about the who or not. It's just like, what's your take on this situation? I think like I said, finding someone that doesn't care about all the extra stuff. I don't want you to fantasize over me because of what you see on social media. Like, you know, I'm that girl.

But in the day, like when we go home, like you're still a genuinely good person. And I have my own. So I don't need to be with someone for their own. So I think it was very intentional for me. One, I date privately.

“That's what I've learned over the years.”

Not putting your business out there. I'm sharing what you want people to know and keep in things private, what you want to keep private. But I haven't had like a hard life from the dating scene. I think, of course not. I'm having a soft life.

But I'm very big on like, like I said, like you treat me right. Yeah. Yeah. But if you don't like, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Do you feel like it's hard for your daughters? I mean, I, you know, they aren't lonely.

But you know, you know, I do think just in the whole situation of young people. Yeah. Because it's not just my kids. But, you know, the young women who are like, who are like my daughters. Yeah.

You know, just like we talked about for women, it's, you know, the pickins are slim. Or they seem slim. Yeah. Because it just feels like no one wants to commit. I think it's hard.

I think you, you always want to have the, you walk in the grocery store.

“And you need to reach up and find something.”

And demand just walks in and grabs it for you. Yeah. And everybody's got this. Yeah. It's a story.

It doesn't. It doesn't happen. So I think. Just finding the reality of what genuine love is like. And I am young and still figuring things out.

And I think you find someone that is helping you learn this life thing at the same time. Like I said, I'm big on loyalty. You ride with me. I'm a ride with you through through any and all.

So as long as we're doing that and rocking, then we're going to be okay. We're going to be okay. Just fine. Just fine. What are the, I mean, you're in everything.

And I was looking through the research that we had. So you're trying to get into cooking more. I do. I want to cook. Okay.

You want to. I want to go to culinary school. Okay. Like serious cooking. You want to be like.

I just want to try and dice.

We have a chef. But like. I want to be able to. I mean, I can do a little one too.

“But like I want to be able to like dress the plate up and like have it looking like”

the restaurant. You want to have. You want to play sauces. Yeah. Like the sauce.

The sauce. That's what I want. I feel like I can't. Like I said, basketball is when we don't want to have kids. Yeah.

Right. Yeah. The chefs can do the thing. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. It's not a lot of kids coming home. Hey, money. Thanks for the little design on my plate. I also.

I don't know if you guys know who Norris Smith is. Okay. She's like um. She's. No.

She makes and cooks everything from scratch. I'm sure people somebody back there knows. What? But like she'll melt in my face. Oh, oh.

Oh. I think I. Yes. You got it. Okay.

So I want to like. I mean, not that. And that. But. Yeah.

So you can be making your own baby food. Like like she did. Yeah. She makes Cheerios. She makes like that.

Yeah. Everything. There's nothing she has in me. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. That like interests me. I like stuff like that. Yeah. It's not like watching cooking videos.

Yeah. You're talking to somebody who gave a cook in a while ago. What happened? Uh, the white house. The white house.

Oh. And listen. Now we're getting to the point where you and I got more and kind of. Everybody else.

I was like, why do we go? No. No cooking. No commercial flights. No, you know.

Do you enjoy the life? My life. My life. I am having a blast. But this has been.

So, you know, so she's 62. I'm going to be 64 on my next birthday. Yes. And being able to learn something completely new at the stage. This whole podcasting thing has.

It has been a gods in for me. Yeah. Like, it is really fun getting to talk. I was telling my wife. I was like, I'm really having fun.

I can't put my finger on it. And she said, you just like talking to people. That's what I'm like. Yeah. And being able to do it with her.

Yeah. Because we grew up kind of like you and your brother. We were close. Yeah. And then when I started coaching, I was moving all around.

And then they moved to the White House. So we don't see each other twice a year. Now we see each other once a month. Yeah. And it's so much fun.

I'm really enjoying this part of life. And I'm working with the coaches association for college. So I'm all involved in the NL stuff. Yes. And the transfer portal and trying to be in on those discussions.

And then I've got, we still have two younger sons who are high school and age grades. So I'm coaching their teams. Yeah. So it's, I'm at a good spot. Yeah.

Well, it's a good little too busy. But it's good.

“Is there anything you guys miss about like the normalcy?”

Like just one thing. I miss like going to the mall. Yeah. Or just like, just walking in and nobody knows you.

The first little things like I went to my work a visiting a friend.

The girls came with me. Yeah. We're at this villa and we're staying there because we've got all. We got all this security when we go abroad. Yeah.

You know, international, they require all this stuff. So, you know, nobody would know I'm anywhere except for the local police. Right. You know, so I was like, I just want to go into town. I just want to walk into this little beautiful town.

And so we found a way to kind of ditch the big motorcade. And we parked in my security. And we got out because we're learning how to do things stealthily.

Yeah.

“So we snuck in, me and the girls a couple of friends of ours.”

We walked to this beautiful little boutique. We went in it and we shot. It's for two hours. We got a dressing room.

And I realized I had never been able to take my girls shopping like that.

Like those are the little things like like. When we had so much fun and I was like, give what you want. Try that on. Oh, that looks cute. We just hadn't had more of the experience.

The other summer because I started driving. Yeah. In Martha's Vineyard because it's small and you know, I'm followed by people. But I'm in my own car driving myself. And I was in the car with Malia.

And she's in the passenger seat and it's a little convertible. We had the top down and she's playing music and we're singing. Yeah. I was the first time I had that experience with my daughter where I was driving. And she was in the car and it was just us.

Those are the things that you know, you miss anonymity. Yeah.

My mom always says that she's like, I miss when we could just go to a restaurant.

Yeah. And just go eat. And now everybody's walking up to the table. Yeah. Or like just wanting a picture.

And you want to give everybody a picture and enjoy everybody. But you also want to enjoy your own time. Yeah. And you're in the space. Not a complaint.

You know, you feel like you got to feel like. Oh, look at you. Not a complaint. Not a complaint. Oh, no pride on the end.

No pride on the end. But you know, you feel like you have the same thought. Yeah. All of those statements. For sure.

But there is there is a loneliness that comes with the isolation. Yeah. And you're going through a young. Yeah. You know, I mean, so it's like it's important to acknowledge that that's not normal.

Yeah. You know, it's not. Yeah. It's not. And it is okay to feel away about it.

Yeah. Right. Because I don't think.

There are very few people who understand what it feels like to never ever be able to blend in.

Like, first of all, we're tall. Yeah. All right. So I was going to be for this. Yeah.

“We can't walk in any place without anybody going, well, who's that?”

Right? It's always going to be like that. It's always going to be like that. But, you know, I would imagine. Yeah.

You know, I can imagine. Yes. What's that? Like being 23. It's tougher for you being 23.

And I'm still in the streets like a normal person. Yeah. Well, I'm in the streets. I'm going to the wall. Okay.

We're out to dinner. No. We're not in the streets like I was when I was in Chicago. I'm like in the, in the Wisconsin streets. Okay.

You know, in the suburbs of Wisconsin. But because I have young children, we're trying to give them a normal experience. So I have to endure all of the, and now with a podcast and walking around with this face. Yeah. Looking just like her.

They're like, aren't you Michelle's brother? And it's like, yeah. And I say yes and keep going. Once one starts, everybody. Yeah.

And so you learn how to navigate it.

“But it is, um, it's, it's an interesting way to exist, right?”

And it's been this way since really since I've been coaching you when you start coaching at the division one level. Everybody knows you. But when you have children, you're going to go back to trying to, to give them a normal life.

And maybe it's dies down. But you know, you'll, you'll be the host of a hit podcast. You probably have your own reality TV series. I'm cooking show that you could be a part of. I heard you're going to be on hunting.

Why? I am. Yes. I love that show. Hensing lies is correct.

You're on it. I'm a watch it. I'm a watch it. All right. Let's just draw a little warning, though. I'm not going to be surprised. Yeah. Yeah. So can you talk talk about what role what you're a trainer? I'm a trainer. I'm a trainer. So we're going to watch the first season. Yes. I think you should. Yeah. You should. You should. Just catch up. Once you watch the first episode, you're hooked. How was the experience? It was so good. This is your first like playing a role. So I did. I worked with it just over the last two years ago.

Well, you're so good. Well, tell us. Oh. It just held up. Come on. Hi, I'm all. The other one. The other one. Yes. I worked with him. And we can do it without Craig. Oh, that's wrong. What? I like him. No. I don't care. Yeah. It's. Yeah. It's. It's. So you. Yeah. The interest. So I worked with him on House of Dynamite. It was a movie that we came out on Netflix.

Is usually in London. So okay. Okay. Oh, he's all we can take in London. We'll take it to London. Let's take it. I'm out of London. Oh, yeah. Yeah. But what's it fun? Yeah. Like being a father. It was fun. Did you have acting training or what did you do? I just did it. I just did it. I believe. I believe it. I just. I was fun though. Like it was really fun. And I was on set and doing the normal things and just seeing like the set life. That's a long day. It's a long day.

“And you come and see. Yeah. And then all the angles. Now you have to do it again and again and again. Yeah. And it was really cool though. Like I really really enjoyed it. And I definitely would do it again.”

But I want to talk about fashion. A little bit. Go hit. It's like first all what that that's we are in the such that it's such a thing.

I love fashion. Yes, me too. Yes, I love fashion. What are you wearing today? This is Lewebe. I love. Yeah. It's good. It's good. It's not well. I, you know, talk differently. They'll make it longer. Yeah. I like that. And then we still may have to alter here and there pull out a sleeve. But I think this was okay. This is I think they, I think they, they made it for me. Anybody cares. I'm wearing American tall. Yeah. That's all. It's always good. It's American tall. You know, we want to get him another and also American tall needs to be a sponsor. So American tall. I think we show you out all the time. This guy. I don't always wear it. I have other.

We're trying to get a sponsorship. Okay. Yeah. We are so I wear it. Pay attention. Pay attention. Have you done any fashion week stuff, any. Did you ever you ever done met Galesta? That's why you've been twice. Yeah. I've been twice. It's a crazy day. It seems like it. That seems like it. That seems like I don't know. That seems a bit much. And usually I fly in and fly out the same day because I have a game the next day or practice next day. So usually I practice in the morning and then I'll fly out that same day like 11 o'clock and I'll get there like one two o'clock and then it's go time and it's like go like they're stitching on me to hair makeup.

I've done hair and make I want to play in before my first year and then last year I went with Tom Brown and love Tom Brown love Tom Brown so good.

And it was just amazing. So I'm looking forward to it again this year. Are you doing any of your own? Are you thinking about clothing? Yeah, I want to put a shoe line extended heel line for larger larger feet larger sizes. So I'm looking forward to that and doing a little bit more stuff with makeup because I do a lot of blush and settings for doing the games and stuff. Yes, your face is being. Thank you. You, you have a beat face for a game. Not like, but I'll do like a little concealer and I'll ask you what's beat for the nails.

That's right. That's like the guys. Okay. So like football, like, summarizes when you guys wear the little. Oh, I black. Yeah, I guess. No, but a beat getting a beat and your face means that your face is so done.

“Your face is like done. Your face is like they like the makeup part is beat your face, but your beat your body. So that's why having a good beat means your face is done and it's made up got it.”

Okay. Yeah, it's an adjective. Yeah, it's me as well. Yeah, but you do a little concealer. Yeah, I don't look and see a little blush and so how do you keep keep it on setting spray. Okay. All right. So what I'm going to come out something soon. Like, I do your setting spray because it's like, because if you can keep a face through a game.

“That's like you should definitely everybody should want your setting spray. You don't have makeup on in the game. Do you?”

Yeah, where were you? I missed that. I mean, so he was trying to do what a beat is just a little one. So it just became a thing.

You know, listen, let's listen. You should do that. Yeah. Yeah. I can talk to you about the red lip and this is why women we are so amazing because in addition to being able to dunk and rebound.

We got it. We can shoot on time with when if you you probably don't even put lotion on. I put before a game. Well, no, because I'd be sweating and it was just weathered. Yeah. Yeah. Well, not us women. We want to we want to figure it out. Get it looking good all the time.

It doesn't.

You you just pet pet. Yeah. I know. I'm going to watch you in the game for it to see just it's like every slide down.

You do a Beyonce pet like she can be totally wet and it's like, how'd you keep your face on that? Yeah. People who look lost on the bench. Man, the girls. Yeah. Yeah. All the girls do it. We all need to keep it. They look lost on the bench. It's all the same. Well, somebody tell you when you get almost too busy. Girl, you let it get that together.

But we'll get to our listener question.

“I have two questions. My first one is, how do you stay true to your purpose when the public expect so much from you?”

My follow-up question is, what would you say to young people like me trying to stay strong in a world that keeps testing us? I wouldn't just say, don't compare yourself to others. I think social media has us thinking that we have to rush and to do these things at a successful pace. And I feel like nobody's time is like, God's time. I think you go with your own speed or you win at your own speed. And I got to say social media has had us in this choke hole that you have to succeed at a certain time or if you don't, then you'll fail.

And just don't compare yourself to others. I think you move at your own speed or your own race. And my doesn't work that way. That's not true. That's not how life works.

“It's, you know, if you're lucky life is long, I think the most important thing to do in the thick of it is just being a good person.”

You know, that lasts through everybody. It's like think about how you show up in the world, how you treat other people. You know, what kind of friend are you, do you, it does your word mean anything, you know, do you have empathy for other people, something that, you know, sadly feels like it's lacking today. Can you put yourself in somebody else's shoes and have a level of compassion for them? Because we got a lot of successful people out there, people who are billionaires in the world who are showing a lack of an ability to show compassion towards people who aren't like them or who don't have what they have.

And that is worse, you know, to me than anything. And I want our young people to start focusing on the insight, right, because that's all you have at the end of the day is how you show up in the world. Well, Angel, gosh, you are in Angel. It is true. It's true. What are you looking forward to next? I'm training for USA. I think you're going to make this.

“Well, now I may have to see him already, but I think it's going to be fine, right?”

Yeah, it's going to be fine. We're going to put a we go and playing soon. So first, I'm rival.

We want to championship and then go to put a we go and when when some more just enjoy life be happy and I'm always like not my new thing is being tired of the things that I pray for.

And I maximize my 24 hours and I manifest everything and just continue and just to have fun and enjoy great people. And I'm really thankful for you guys for allowing me on here. It was amazing. It's a real treat you are as a great special special person. Thank you. And I'm saying that to the word, don't mess with this girl. Don't mess with this.

Do not mess with this angel. Stop it. Just stop it. That's right. She got us. She got us what her now. Hmm, for sure. (upbeat music)