Angie Martinez IRL - June Ambrose: Styling Icons, Grief Attacks In Paris & Never Chasing Clout

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Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your podcasts. You need a little bit of main character energy. Because that's like, well, that doesn't feel good. If you don't want it, you know. Again, I had my conversation with this.

Yes, she's like, I don't want the attention.

She was like, "Keep always like the tension."

She's like, she's like, "We're so different," right? And I'm like, "You don't want the attention, "but yet when you get a compliment, you come on yourself." I mean, it's like, you know, it's like, it's like, it's like an orgasmic.

You know what I'm gonna tell you, it's pretty. Yeah! Thanks for watching guys. Today's episode is brought to you by Boozmobile. Nice episode is about fashion. No, it's not about fashion.

It won't be about fashion, but it is more than a fashion conversation. June Ambrose has helped build the visual identity of hip-hop from the ground up,

“and many other things, she has many accolades.”

She has done this as a woman, a black woman, a self-taught, no-wrote match. She raised a generation of stylists. She's raised two children. All while busing her ass for over 25 years,

she's dressed icons like Jay-Zi, Mariah Carey, Missy Elliott, and so many more. And she's now celebrating her own capsule collection with naturalizing what she has on today. And there's so cute.

We'll get a close-up of the leader. And she's just a badass. We love her, June Ambrose is in the building today. (audience applauding) - That's right. - Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

- Don't shit. (audience laughing) - No, I feel like I don't have to say anything. - Yeah, you're just here.

- I always like Google me, no.

- Hi, June. - How are you? - June? - Oh, June. - No, Eugene.

(laughing) - How was life? - I was real life. Life is good. - Is it?

Life is good. I mean, you know, I'm an emptiness to now, so life is I'm adjusting. - Oh, that's tough. - It is.

It is like, you feel like I have like new skin, like I have two adults that really don't need me, like they used to, and they need me in a different way. - Yeah.

- But it's like, I feel like I'm at my second half of the game.

- I would've had this conversation a few times on the pod, because Lala came here right after Kanye and went to school. - Yeah. - She was her only son, just single mom.

- It really hit her heart. - My friends with the only one child thing,

It's like, you okay? - Yeah, you okay.

“- When Summer went to college everybody was”

'cause they know how close my daughter and I am, they're like, but my son and I are very close too, but they were just like, "Are you okay?" But Summer is an I am very visible. - Yeah, yeah.

- You're like, you know, with June and Summer show. - Yeah. - And I was like, I am okay because I've spent so much time with them, I'm actually happy for them. Like I felt good, I felt accomplished.

Like I had raised humans, not by myself, obviously, but like that I raised young adults that were ready. And that to me is why I'm okay. - Mm-hmm. - But you missed them.

- Oh my goodness. - Yeah. - Did they tell you to talk every day? - It's like a thing, like it's Summer at least four or five. My son, he'll go off in the wind.

He's gone with the wind. But like, yeah, we're speaking family. We have a group of family group chat. Like it's important that we speak constantly. And it's so much going on in the world.

And Summer's out of state and she's a sheltered baby child, but very impressively independent. - There is so much going on in the world. There is.

“- That it's like, who did I see the other day post?”

I think it was Adrian Poland. Adrian by long. She posted that she's navigating her political rage. I'm also exercising self-care. She was our way to the gym trying to really good

way to put it. - Right, like trying to manage that balance. How do you do that, June? - Oh, you know, I prefer to lean on the side of Joy because I know what grief feels like.

And that's way too heavy. And when I experienced it for the first time

as I realized I've never been spared.

And because I'm just always like, people like you live in another planet, that's why I come up with the universe because I'm literally happy, happy all the time. Are you really as that real?

It's real, it is real. It's an endorphin realness, yeah. It's like a, it's a little girl thing. It's a sense memory that I've tapped into that I know to constantly tap into it, right?

And I think secretly, the years of studying theater and drama being the theatrical major, I don't tell that to a lot of people. Has taught me how to tap into sense memories that enable me to stay mentally solid

because even on a bad day or upon disappointed, I can remember the things that bought me Joy to tap into them like an actress would tap into to something that needs her to cry. That exercise, that's a muscle.

That's a, you know, like joy is a muscle.

“You have to exercise what that feels like”

and know that it's okay to keep lifting that. - I don't understand how you do that. Explain, no, no, teach me that because okay, so it's a bad day or a war. - Yeah, I think broke in my this day, my mother's sick,

but you know, whatever, whatever could be going on is going on and now today I need to tap into some joy. - It's like sex, you have to be present, right? And to like what is gonna make you feel good and what's feeling good in that moment.

- Okay, how do you want it to get to that climactic place? - So think about that experience.

- Yeah. - And it always probably will weird.

- No, no, it's what it will work. - You know, sex is so private, but you have to be present in it or you know, you don't get to enjoy it, right? So it's like joy is the same way. It's like that feeling of what makes you,

can't give you butterflies, what makes you get go, what makes you laugh, what makes you want to dance that song that just makes you feel so good, you high. - Like I've never had a drink of smoke in my life and people always think I'm stoned to parties

when we're in a club, 'cause I'm like, you've never had a club till, you never. I just said to you, 'cause I was like, you're gonna take you golfing, 'cause I was like, "Oh, we have a cocktail."

And you were like, "No, no, no, no, no, no, no." - Yeah, of course, you're a cocktail for me. You're a cocktail, yeah, a cocktail. - So, and all this joy, all the time. - I was always a happy kid.

- So, 'cause I didn't have like, I was so spoiled and didn't have a lot of responsibility, but as an adult, we have so many, and that could be a road drag.

So I'm always asking my young self,

so please, you just remind me of what that felt like to have a notice, but tell me at the time when you were down, and then had to find the joy and then how you found it. - Oh, man, my mom passed away.

What was that? Eight years ago, and it feels like yesterday. And I realized that never knew what sadness felt like. It was so foreign. By the way, how blessed are you that you didn't know

what sadness felt like? You really delayed eight years ago, right? - Wow. - That was like, 'cause I was always sheltered from like,

when someone died, no June's not going to the funeral, or you know, I've always sheltered from all of that. They protected me from those kind of things that were very sensitive. And ambulance would go by and I'm like,

"So, what's the talking?" I'm gonna start crying as a kid, like I was so emotional. I hate people to be sad, or hate to see people in pain. - I just feel like it happened.

- You're an empath. - I'm so empathetic. - Yes. - So, yes, I, and so your parents have narrated.

- Yeah, my mother was, yeah, she understood that, and she really nurtured me with that. But interesting enough, when she was preparing to leave, she told me that it was okay to go at leftown. So when I got the news, I was in California,

and I was getting ready for the on the run tour. And I wasn't gonna go, obviously, 'cause she was sick in the hospital. So I was like, you know, trying to figure out how to figure out, maybe it could just prep in.

And I never go on the road for one.

I don't travel with, if I design a tour, design the tour, and then the wardrobe supervisors and the team take it over, I'm never on the road with it. But this time, she had transitioned over, and the tour was going out, and had to be in Paris

with J&B, like maybe two weeks later. And I didn't wanna grieve in front of my kids. And my husband had, we had talked about it as a family. And he, you know, he said if there was any two people

“that I think, you know, that I would feel okay”

with you being around during this time. It would be those two. - Oh, he talking about it, kiss me and motion. - Do you mean me? - All right, all right.

And his, yeah, I was having grief attacks constantly. And yeah, you know, he got me, J got me through it, you know, he did. - How, how so? - He said it was okay.

He said, just let it run through you. And you know how people feel like, don't cry, let it go, cry, cry. - Mm-hmm. - And he said it was okay to be,

you know, you feel guilty of your work. You're like, looking at, we're like, we're looking at rehearsals and I'm fighting. Something just switched to switch just turns off. Just, and he would look over him and I would just be crying.

“I'd have to look him so sorry and he's, okay.”

Like, you know, it's, that's kindness, it's all. Empathy and kindness and you have known him for so many years and if he could ever, as a friend, if anyone could ever give me anything, it was that. The grace of just being there while I go through

the most life-changing experience of my life. - Mm-hmm. - And it ended up being one of the most, you know, creative, you know, for me, I needed it like a new, like reset creatively.

I even, I look back at photos on it and look like myself. Oh my, who is that person? I just look so different, but I felt like I looked like my mother so much and I had so many life-changing experiences in Paris as I was going through it.

I had my team around me, that was great. - Great tour, too. - Oh, man. And I did niece. - So you know, it was like-- - It was the niece, but I'm sure.

- Yeah, I just remember like the first time I, like, smiled or laughed during that time that grief period when you kind of, people say you sit shiver, where you feel like you're not supposed to do anything that you feel guilty about feeling that joy

because you're paying respect to that person that you've lost. And every city that I, that I went to, I visited, I put a lock on my mother's initial on, I left it in every city, on a fence, on a bridge,

something, I was getting walks in every city. And I was locking her initial, I was taking her with me through that travel. And all the places that she, I knew she would want me to see

“and go, yeah, so that she knew that's what you were going.”

She knew-- - She knew-- - She knew-- - She was going on that tour. She knew that had work.

She always, like, go to work.

'Cause like, you know, when you, when you have your own business and the phone rings, you gotta take that job, you gotta take that gig 'cause you're a self-employed and you know, you're the CEO and you have to run, doesn't work without you.

So she knew that and she, yeah, I think the she, knew she let go just in, just in time. - Hey, guys, so today's show is brought to you by our presenting sponsor Hardrock Bet, Florida Sports Book. March is here and that means college basketball

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Download the Hardrock Bet app and make your first deposit every day. - I wanna make sure we go back to here, Mother, 'cause I'm sure there's so much influence in who you've become and your fashion sense

and all of that stuff from your mom. So I do wanna get to that, but something you just said is interesting to me about, because whether it's J, or B, or your family, or your siblings, or your best friends,

it's like, when we go to least dark time, sometimes, 'cause I do the same thing you do. I don't wanna bring my sadness in a room. Especially when you're dealing with creatives. - Oh my goodness.

- When they gotta go on stage and bring joy to millions of people. - You're in the dresser room with them backstage. - You're not just wallpaper, like we're in their space. - Like synergy, you know, we're energy

and you know this, because I mean, over 30 years

“being around creatives, and that's why I've always approached”

from a collaborative space. So they recognize that I'm an artist too, and I'm serious about my shit too, you know? So it's like the same way that you're passionate about what you do and you're in that booth and you know,

if I have to put looks to the lyrics, and I'm just sensitive about my shit too. But I don't make it about me, and I give so much making sure that they're prepared and they feel safe, and that they feel like

they can own this, you know, moment. I think the best work is done when you know, you can't tell someone did it. Someone else did it for them. I think that's when it's like,

truly authentic, yeah. That to me is at the heart of like, what a good, costume designer or a stylist. So it's a lab writer or a director. - Or a director, a general writer.

- A good co-writer, you know, you're with your writing team in the studio, all that. - Yeah, I just think it's special when you have, when you're able to find your safe spaces to have those moments.

Because especially women, right? Women in business, women who have to, - We're in the way we came up. - We're not only nurturers, but we have to, it's a strength that we carry around.

And so in our most vulnerable or sad or sometimes, you know, we don't wanna bring that in a room, right?

I'd never wanna bring it in a room, yeah.

And sometimes you're walking to a room and you have to read the room quickly

“and know what you need to give someone in that moment”

and sometimes it's just quiet. - I just wanted to give you the comfort to be okay to share yourself in that moment. - The permission, right? It's like-- - The permission?

- Yeah, I had to give myself permission to do that. Because growing up, single parent home, you do a lot of, I'm the latch key kid, you do a lot of self-reflecting. You know, your parents can only do so much, right?

Like my mom was such a, like, we're back to her again. She's, I think she's at the center of that day. - She's here in the room. She couldn't be there. She couldn't watch us 24/7 because she was providing.

So it was like, we had to take responsibility at a very early age for our actions and recognize that they had consequences. Everything that we did, not only affected us, but it would affect her.

And we didn't wanna disappoint. Because we recognize where she was sacrificing. At a very young age.

Not because I wasn't, I never got a spanking.

My mother was in a yellow, you know? It's like a punishment lasted maybe like 30 minutes 'cause she fell bad for me pounding in the corner. It's like, you're not to that. So I was like, I'm like the epitome of spoiled.

- Right, like, I'm just a masculine cop. - So I think like, when you say like, what gave me the permission? It's like, I didn't know any of the way but to get what I wanted.

So I was always very percosious. I was always just like, why not? Like, you know why not try this? Like, who's gonna stop me? Like, there was no one to stop.

And then as a parent, when she was supposed to kind of protect me from like fashion decisions

“that I just remember, I don't know if I get this night day.”

And I was like, it's rain is snowing outside. I always wanted to wear my church clothes to school. Like it was a thing.

I always wanted to wear my Sunday dress.

We'd like sneakers or boots or just disrupt things, take it out of context. And that was who I always was from a very young age. And she was like, you cannot wear your church shoes with your smart pants or your jeans.

Those are your church shoes and it's slippery and you're gonna fall. I'm like, I was like, it's my outfit. I was like, it was a big fight. She was like, go.

I leave out of that building. I come back five minutes later crying. - Plus, yes. - Suppusted my ass. - Bruse-dop, slay down the hill.

(laughing) - Bruse-dop. - Look at you. She said, I told you, like, I'm not telling you 'cause I wanna change who you are. I was just telling you because I'm trying to protect you.

So I was always able to wear a cape at a very young age.

“And even growing up in the bronze they didn't understand”

what I was giving them. They used to call me all kind of names. And we were, you know, from the West Indies. So being cool, being Caribbean back then was not cool. Before the food cheese, you were like,

they would say all kind of horrible derogatory things to people with accents. And being from the islands was not a thing. And this is like black on black crime. - Wow.

- Hispanics, like stirring at us. Like I grew up in a predominantly Hispanic neighborhood. Awalita, you know, you know, damoncoquito, like, you know, it was like, I was like, I was, you know, you were all.

- You got with some, I was Puerto Rican. - Yeah, I was from the mountains. But the discrimination against, you know, Hispanics and blacks back then was no different.

They were like, it was black and white.

It was unreal. - Yeah. - It's mind blowing. - Yeah.

“- So, you know, we've all experienced it in some way.”

- Yeah. - I think I've gotten it from everyone. - I love that she gave you that type of permission. - Yeah. - So wait, so okay, so you're young.

You have all these little cute looks going on. This is clearly your gift, right? Like your fashion sense, what do you attribute that to? Is it a gift? It is a gift, but it's also a muscle.

And, you know, creativity is absorbed in many different ways. You know, when my kids know, as a parent, like I would take my kids to the museum, I would expose them to a lot of different things. My mom did the same thing for me too as well.

Early, you know, when I was younger, she would take us down to CBS. Studios will leave the Bronx and go to Midtown and go to the city, go to Central Park very, very early. So taking us out of the environment,

she sent me a way to Nunday, New York, to live on a farm for two weeks, you know, with a white family, with the fresh air fund. Like these things are a life-changing and it also play into creativity,

'cause it helps you to see the world from a different, through a different lens. And, you know, you can't have tunnel vision as a creative. So for me, it's much exposure as I could give my kids and is much exposure as I received growing up

“in a city was very, very, I think, crucial to who I became.”

That makes sense. - Yeah, I think that was a big part of it. And then studying, like theater... - It's interesting, that's interesting. - It's probably great for all parents to hear.

It's like, how do you nurture? - Hi, this is Joe Winterstein, host of the spare daughter podcast, where we talk about astrology, natal charts, and how to step into your most vibrant life.

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- You know what I mean, that is it. That is exposing them to... - We have so much, we have so much more information that we didn't have then, like in school, they were just like, oh, you know, she can't keep.

Focus, she's always, yeah, being, you know,

every report card set the same thing. No one said attention to that fit. No one used those in the 80s. - Nobody said anything. - She's a creative.

- No one's at that. - Even though I showed creativity, even from elementary school, I put on my first fashion show in my elementary school. I organized it and produced it. - Fortunately, it was insane.

- I was like, I would make, I was hustler too, 'cause I needed money, extra money. So I would make book covers, like at the time, when we, you know, the books, we had to protect our books. That textbooks, because if they came back damage,

your parents would have to pay for them. So we would cover them with, you know, papers. I was making custom book covers and selling them for 10 cents and five cents. I was making, um, cray paper and sewing,

pencil holders and selling those at schools. I was very into private say. - That's amazing.

- I've always, like, art of friendship.

It's always been like, it's always been in my community. - In my community. - It's the combination of creativity and entrepreneurship. It's rather that creates a true name. - That was your hustler.

But you know what else, too? It's like, I was thinking about this earlier, too. And this probably pertains to a lot of people, even outside what you do, in acts of service, people who are in like service business

or assistance or secretary or people who support other people or help other people sometimes can get a little bit lost in a secondary position, right? But you have seemed to find a way. You did find the way, not seem to.

But you have found the way to make sure, like you said, like, even with Jay, how you, this is collaborative.

“And was it always like that that you have to find that?”

'Cause I could see that people in those type of positions, I always, I admire those type of positions, because they do sometimes get lost. I have many friends who support other people. - Of course.

- And I'm always like, you need a little bit

of main character energy. - But some, that's like, so, that's the thing. - You don't want it, you know? - Well, again, I had my conversation, my sister is like, she's like, I don't want the attention.

She was like, you've always liked attention. You know, she's like, she's like, we're so different, right? I'm like, you don't want the attention, but yet when you get a compliment, you come on yourself. I mean, it's like, you know, it's like,

it's like, it's like an orgasmic, you get it, you know what I'm gonna tell you, it's pretty. - You know what's true? (laughing) She loves, she loves everyone who doesn't love

a compliment, but I understand her. - It's a different, it's a different, there is a difference. You know what I'm like, you know what I'm like? - You would think, I'm not, I'm more like her. - I don't enjoy.

- I believe you, but I don't feel like, but I feel like you have received what that feels like when you walk into a building, you know what it's like, people recognize you all the time. - Yeah, I appreciate it, I appreciate it,

and then something that makes me feel good, and I get a compliment. - Listen, I appreciate that. - I'm modest too, don't get me wrong, I'm very modest, and I can be very shy.

I know that's very confusing. - You walk around and hand with this hand on your hand.

you are comfortable seeing, you are comfortable seeing.

- I am, because I like making friends, and I like meeting people, and I feel like it's like, it attracts like, you know, the energy that I want,

“and even if you don't get it, I'll never forget,”

I got off a plane from LA, and this was recent, 'cause I've been wearing these coverheads for like three years now. And the person with the wheelchairs, it comes up with the wheelchairs, I come off the plane, I have a my cowboy hat,

and I'm like, I look like I just came from another planet, and she starts, she laughs in my face, and she was like, you look like a witch, this is what she said to me. - And I was like, so it comes at a price, right?

It's like, it looked good in the bed. - It could have been bad, and it didn't end good for her, but I was like, wow, I could be a victim,

and actually take a fence to what she was saying,

or realize that I can't be everything to everyone. So when you think about that, it's like, you know, I go back to artists again. You can't make music for the audience, you have to make music for yourself,

that you love that you know, that's like what it's like expression of who you are. So I thought about it in the same way.

“You know, my initial reaction was how dear you, right?”

I was like, how dear you speak to me that way, and I said to us that that is not very nice, because you don't understand, doesn't make it okay for you to speak to me that way. - Good for you.

- And it just, and it was quick, 'cause we were hustling, we're walking off the plane, but I had to say it in order to recover.

So I like to unpack trauma, quick.

I don't like to hold on to trauma, because that could change how I start to see myself or, you know, think about the young me, someone's judging you, and you immediately think, okay, this didn't work for that person,

no one's gonna like it. Let me conform to what society finds to be acceptable. And I was just like, I live in the universe, and I don't, I believe in the universe, there are other planets and tons of stars,

and there's this empty space that I can exist in, and attract, and that light, and all of those things that happens in space is where I'm about to live. - I need my own universe, I need that. Planet Earth can be cruel.

- So we should all have a universe, like what is your, what is your, like, what is your, like, what is my antiverse? What, everyone should figure out what is the way that you operate through the world that is only yours,

and that you protect it so that you don't lose yourself and other people's, whatever, expectations, opinions, all those things. - But think about it, it's like when artists get on stage, you know, they are immediately transformed

that the energy that you get from the audience, that it's almost like, it's a high, you know, it's like when people like, you know, fame is a drug, you know, people get really intoxicated by it. I don't subscribe to like, fame, I subscribe to like energy,

right, it's a source, it's at the end of my life, at the end of this journey. I would hope that people remember the way I made them feel.

“And I think fashion and style is an expression of that.”

And however provocative and whatever opinion you may have drawn from what I was presenting, I still made you feel a certain way. And I could live with that, right, I could live with that. And that's how I want to live my life.

Constantly reinventing myself. - That's pretty good. - Constantly, you know, I think that's the unlock. - Yes, but you do have to do what you do. There does have to be a certain, like how you say

the difference between you and your sister. - Yeah, because I don't think everybody, like you said, people don't want that. - No, they don't. - I can't. - I can. - I can.

- I do not wish to walk sometimes. I walk around the city with a graze lady on and some, and some whatever, like just, that's it. I like blending, right, I just like it. And it's a trend, right, it's also like a trend, right?

- Well, I don't do it to be a trend. - Well, fight luxury right now, they say, you say, "Okay, well, lucky me." (laughs) - So you are a timeless.

- It's not my question. - It's not my point. - I'm just acknowledging the difference in types of personalities with fashion, it's good so I can say.

- Yeah, I have to acknowledge it too as well. - Yeah. - To be honest, I have to acknowledge it. When I design a collection, when I'm putting out collaborations in co-branding, I have to think about the customer that it's a very interesting,

when you start to create consumer goods,

that much attention. - That much attention. - But then you also have to create something that's gonna push them a little bit. Out of their comfort zone, which I've done my entire career.

- Yeah, yeah. - My job is to forecast, is to insist that you feel something in the experience of transforming evolving. What we're doing is something very transformative. When you are collaborating with someone

and you're in charge of their image and likeness, and sometimes it's not collaborative. Sometimes someone is like, "Take me, "figure it out for me." I can't articulate what it is that I know I want to be. So just show me and I'll let you know how it feels right.

- Sometimes it's like that.

It's not always like someone's telling you.

- Is that more fun for you? - Yeah, honestly. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - I would let you. - I would submit. - I mean, we had this experience before. MTV awards, you were like, "That's it, Lord."

You know, like, "Not Angie's with us." I don't want to wear this go. But we got a lot of attention. We did. - We did. - It was so bad. - I was so mad.

- She was like, "You made me the 10-wall of anyone." - I was like, "Here's why I was mad at you." - It was the ladies first. - It was the ladies night.

“- It was, I think we should talk about it, right?”

- Because we're not always gonna, you know. - 'Cause I don't blame you, though, 'cause this is not your fault. - I take responsibility, though. - Yeah, but this is not your fault.

- This was, here's what happened. - I'm a young girl who gets thrown into this mix

with these experienced artists.

I was not an artist, I had no real experience in public, and definitely in that performance, getting on stage MTV Awards was a big deal. We just, I don't know where I just hopped on a song in the song, went crazy, and we got a Grammy nomination

where the MTV Awards, I don't have a team, I don't have a stylist, I don't have all the things that all the other girls had. - You didn't think that trust you. - So you weren't not even my stylist.

- No, I know. - They said, and you got me to trust me. - Because I know you were like, I didn't know you. - Oh yeah. - It's not that I didn't trust you.

It's that they said, here, June, take care of her, too. - And I would, yeah, yeah, what? - I don't have any, I would. - And I was customing everything then. I was literally custom designing everything at that time.

- And you, they gave you this song. - I think I had a day. - We didn't even collaborate on it. - We didn't have a conversation. - We didn't have no conversation.

- We didn't take time and say to me,

“okay, what does, I think it's a process.”

- I think it's a process. - I think it is, who's young is, and you, we didn't have any of that. - Right. - They threw me to you. - I was like, this is the, when you were ready to do it.

- When you were ready to do it. - Yeah. - You put me in the theme, which was fine. - Yeah. - And then the day of the awards, I had no shoes.

- Oh my God. - The scene where I was old to detail. - You know what I remember. - I remember that one. - Is it my book?

- It's in my book. - Oh my God. - I had no shoes. And then they said, well, what I'm, I'm standing there, we're about to go out.

And I have no shoes on my feet. It'd give you Tim's, I think. - Somebody was somebody came running down and said, "Junks, I'd wear these." And they weren't these ashes, like, I really ain't you. - No, I did, I didn't love you that much.

- They were these big chunky black shoes, which had we had some time together. You would know these are not the shoes for her. - For her. - So I don't blame you because they threw me at you. And that was, you know what I learned in that moment is like,

I have to be in control. - Yeah. - But I didn't know better at the time. I was crushed in a young, whatever. - Why fix it?

- What I learned.

- I didn't learn because what I would never do again.

- Yeah. - It was nothing going happening. I was not going to show up in an event unprepared, not knowing what I was going to wear, not knowing who was going to help me wear, like, I didn't even need your person. - So like, you just happened to be the poor, the poor person.

- It was also the story of my life. - But I also had to be the person that nurtured that you were unhappy, that you were, that you were nervous about everything. Like, I recognize all of those things in the moment.

“And that's why I said to overwhelming, yeah, I said,”

I take responsibility because at the, even though we all of these things, of course I left, if you weren't happy, I knew that. I felt, I took responsibility for that, because it was my job to make sure you were the cardless. So when I say to you like, that will always sit with me.

But, you know, I can't make excuses and I think a good leader doesn't make excuses. You take responsibility, you apologize. And, and you have, and that's how you, again, unpack the trauma, own it, and move on.

Because I've said, and give you excuses, oh, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You know, I don't have time to do it, don't know me. You don't wanna hear that, you know, blah, blah. Only that can look at you and say, as you know Angie,

you are 100% right, I recognize that you are unhappy, and I apologize. And you shouldn't have to experience that. That's my job, yeah. That's my role.

That's what I take on when I say yes. Yeah. And if I didn't wanna take it on, I shouldn't have said yes.

So I have to, you were young too, by the way. Of course.

“But I'm saying, like, I felt it, I, I owned it.”

Yeah. You know, I wasn't happy that you weren't happy. Oh, Julie, we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna have a duel. We're gonna wear the duel.

And anniversary, neutralize, yeah. That's my pleasure. And even more than that, I'm not doing, yeah, I'm gonna do it all, I'm gonna do it all, I'm gonna do it all. You know what's up, buddy?

I had this cover. I'm gonna name a shoe after you. No, stop. Angie, we had this cover, I had this cover station, a couple, a couple months ago with Ferg.

You know, Ferg. Yeah, of course.

So you don't love Ferg, oh my God, he's amazing.

I just love him. He, I love how he sees me too. He, he, he put a door to you. Yeah, he, you know, it's like this is a different, I, I, I, I recognize our generation is so different

from this, he's the new, somewhat, he's in the middle of the new. Yeah, yeah, he's in the middle, yeah. He's like in the high school. Yeah, like, like, there's a, there's a generation

of young designers, creative directors that all are like, you know, that's why I buy you. And like, yeah, he's been recently, you know, ASAP with, you know, and people don't know

that I was a costume designer for Belly. And they re-did. Belly for Rapant. He, yeah, for Rapant. And I, for me, I sit back and I feel so relevant, 'cause you designed that first,

the original scene. I, the movie was mine. Look at the film. Cost and designer, June Ambrose, yeah. And the opening credits.

Mm-hmm. You know, so for me, that was, it was great, it's immediately said, you know, I, I, I attack seeing high Williams and I attack seeing and I'm like, this is great, you know.

Do you need the recognition for that? No, I mean, that was enough for me. I mean, I'm, I'm just used to not getting it. You know, like, are you really? I was talking about that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. What does that, does that, I don't know, does it either, you do? I can't give it that, I can't give them that much power because if I, if I, that's like becoming this victim,

you know, yeah. Oh, if you were like, oh, you need your flowers. No, no, I get my flowers, I'm very blessed. I am like, my, I am still like in it, yeah. And to me, that is that blessing being able,

the phone still, like that people still wanting to collaborate with me, you know, being able to bring product to the marketplace or the larger consumer, you know, being able to have that, I spent four years at like, you know, launching women's basketball at a time when women's basketball wasn't even a thing at Puma

and industry and now look at women in basketball. I was ahead of it. I said, this is something that we need to really get behind and support, like they're counting on us. The same way I felt about hip hop culture,

it crossing over into high fashion. So again, what my conversation with ACF Ferg is like, you know, he recognized my contribution, you know, my bus to rise by Missielli, it's my Jaycee. All that stuff that I can't continue to like write on

because it's to me, it's like a two decades old. Yes, thank you. You know, I need to be able to be relevant in the same way. So I'm like, I'm like, but I, for me, I'm like, okay,

like, I don't want to be a husband. So what do you do?

What's your, you know, like for me, I'm always like,

what's my next, what's next?

“What am I, what can I crack and break the mold on next?”

And you know, when I was, you know, when I partnered with, you know, polymer to work with them and launched that division, that was like, for me, that was like the next. Like that was an important task

because you're talking about a culture that we needed to build and form and create. And I was responsible for that. And I like, I like responsibility. Yeah, you own it, you like with your arms around there.

Yeah. The thing I want to go back to with Ferg, we had this conversation about, I was selling about experience that I had. I never really been to a fashion show.

And there was somebody we were having this conversation. And somebody was talking about somebody else and they said, oh, she wreaks of effort. And they weren't talking about me. They were talking about me.

They were talking about me. But what I said, I felt that. I was like, yeah, she does wreak of it. I don't want to ever feel like I'm wreaking of effort. Like, I don't.

Such a fashion snob statement. It is a snob statement, but also, it's a real life statement because it's like, do you? Because we were also talking about flow state.

“And like, did you have to be trying so hard to impress people,”

be part of what's hot, what's part of what's pop. And like, where is the line? Because you're a soulful person too. You're not just a creative or a fashion girl, right? Like, so where is the line between how you present

where fashion is concerned? And what's inside? And what matters? And inside, like, where do you-- how do you navigate that?

Because I'm sure you've even been in some fashion rooms where you're like, oh, these people are full of shit. [LAUGHTER] I honestly, I don't even consider myself to be like a fashion girl, really.

First of all, everything is so segregated.

Like, you know, you go to fashion shows. Now, you have the editors and the condiness.

You have the music culture athlete, stylus,

and then you have the influencers.

“So like, everyone's in like these buckets.”

And everyone has an opinion about everyone. And it's like, it's a thing. And I just want to be in the universe such as-- I don't need part of it, because I feel like-- I don't have that space to explain it.

Yeah, it's like, what is true to you? It's really the answer to the question. It's like, you know, especially at this age, I'm like, what do you want for me? I just-- I'm just trying to enjoy this time.

I want to wear what-- like, what to you? What is it? What is-- I don't have to ask permission. I don't know what it is.

Like, what do you appreciate about a well--

somebody who comes in? It is ownership. It is like looking at someone who-- I really enjoy watching someone-- even when it's quiet, luxury, and it's like super, like, effortless,

or it-- I enjoy people trying. So when someone says, like, it's so much effort, thank God. Because-- Think about it, yeah. We'll think about it as a designer, right?

If fashion is mute without style. And what is style? It's a language, it's a conversation, it's how you articulate. So if someone doesn't even at least try to tell a story, even if it's effortless, or what they may seem to be like,

the row, very quiet, luxury, just a simple t-shirt, and, you know, if I hear Lee Bieber, like, very-- no hats, no bells and whistles, you know,

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But I'm like, but it's me. It's like, I've left the house without a hat and I felt like I left without anything on. I felt naked, you know, I've left without big glasses or like, I like punctuation.

- First of all, on 5 p.m. 2, okay, my hack gives me height,

you know, whatever shape I'm doing. And, you know, it's like, I'm a little person. And again, I don't want to fit in, I don't want to fit in. I want to, you know, to stand on the scene and explode. Yeah, I'm just, I want to arrive.

- I wish everybody to find their own universe, whatever that is. - It's just like, in a simplicity as your thing, I enjoy that too, I just love it. I just love when people actually feel like themselves.

And effortless, 'cause the swag, when people talk about, they have that thing, that swag is what translates everything. That's the unlock. You know, you could put the same outfit on two different people

and the swag is so, because the translation is really, what is that? What is the definition? - The persona. - The definition of swag.

What it does is like the definition of swag is persona. It is confidence, it is attitude, it is articulation, at its finest. And that can't be, that's unmatched. So when people are trying to find themselves,

just find the thing that really makes you feel like you're speaking your language. - What about to somebody who wants to, I'm sure there's, we have a lot of women that watch the pod.

- What about, if somebody's bored where they're at, or where they wear the same things all the time, they do the same things all the time, and they want to switch. - They want to reimagine.

- Yeah, what is the record of that?

“- I think that you have to step outside of,”

like those kind of people typically like to just kind of admire and think, 'cause I hear this a lot. - Oh, I couldn't do that. Oh, I can't pull that off, but have you tried? And it could be as simple as changing your lip color,

cutting your hair. - This doesn't have to be a full overall,

it could be adding a color, if you never wear color.

If you're a person that only wears like khaki, black, and white, all right? Like very neutrals, and you throw a neon in there, or you throw like a primary color in there, you've reimagined and reinvented yourself,

because you've tried something that is not, or perfect example, taking something out of context. Like when I'm creating a design, I'm working on something. I'm always taking out of context.

Early in my career, my signature in design was taking athletic silhouettes, and merging them with luxurious fabrics, leather, suites, pony, I was taking the silhouettes were very traditional, denim jacket,

or a track jacket, silhouettes, but I was reimagining these things. And that's really what designers, you're reimagining, silhouettes, this is the interpretation of, yeah. You're reimagining a silhouette,

you're giving it different shape and form, how the peplums have been around forever, but are we using horse here to give it shape and give it stiffness? Like what is that fabric in that,

the jigspition of that pattern that's gonna disrupt in my jungle blue song sleeve on a track jacket opposed to a traditional drop show to a raglan in set sleeve. But adding those little details is designed, reimagined.

“And I think about style in the same way.”

It's how you interpret and take things out of context

So there's no like generic tips.

“There's no tip across the board that works for everybody.”

Like don't do this to that, there's none of that. - I mean, I wrote a book about it. It was very generic. It had all the like effortless style. How did you, iconic style, effortless style was name of my book.

And it was very commercial 101 on how to achieve iconic style with ease. - Yeah. - And it had all of the generic things. - We can go back to the fundamentals, right?

But we're beyond that, right? We're at the point where we have to make people uncomfortable. It's okay. Uncomfortable is a good feeling. When you first meet someone, you're nervous,

you have butterflies, you don't know if you like this person, but you're getting to know them, you're trying it, you're trying them on. Like when I daughter for a started dating, we were like, you gotta try on different shoes,

different, you know, try, you know. Nothing got to be a slug. I'm just saying, you know, date, you know, date. It's okay to date and meet someone

“and see if you have to get to know a different time.”

No, there's anality. - It's the same thing with discovering the new you discovering yourself.

I'm always gonna metaphorically

and draw interpretations from different life experiences for you to find yourself and it comes to style. Maybe that's the second book. - I love that as a book. - Thank you, Andrew.

- I would buy that book right now. Where is the line between dressing for yourself and dressing for other people? 'Cause they say like when you walk in a room, how you people will judge me immediately.

And there's reasons why people want to look nice when they go to things for like four other people. But where is the line between being in your universe? (laughs) - And dressing for outside, approval opinion.

It's for me, it's like, are you naked? Or do you have one close? You know what I mean? It's like, I've broken down into my brown panties on social media.

People thought I was having a life crisis.

But I was basically trying to express

that self-awareness, self-confidence, being okay with who and what you are, is enough. And when you start to feel like just stripped down that that's enough, then starting to layer things on top of that, starts to feel a little bit more tangible.

And it relates back to silhouettes, like finding that silhouettes that really makes you feel confident and is flattering to your body. Both men and women, it comes from a clinical psychology to that, how you get to that place.

You know, while you may see certain people wearing things that are ill fitting and they have no idea that it's sabotaging their bodies. Because in their minds, they have come to terms with how they look physically

and they're like, I'm gonna wear whatever. There is an honesty there that even though we may have an opinion about it, that I have to admire. And that is like, you put that on and you came outside

and you felt-- - You own it, so I'm not gonna, I have to respect that. Now, I may have an opinion about it where I feel like my opinion is to like, I could offer you something that could be a lot more flattering, but will it disrupt

“what you have psychologically that journey that you've been on?”

I don't wanna compromise. So again, it takes time and the experience of working with someone like myself, it's an evolution. It's a psychological understanding of what people need to feel confident and to step out in something

that they didn't initially own. And we didn't initially own this, but we owned our skin, our body, our flesh, we owned that. Why I went, I was like, my body's my temple, I went vegan, I was like, I'm gonna like,

to me, that is the first thing you take care of.

- The temple. And then the confidence is built off of all that you feel good. You know, energy is important. - Yeah, for sure. - But that's maintenance.

So people like, oh my God, you have so much energy, like I've protected. - I protect my energy, I protect my space. I protect who's in, you know, who's in my circle. - You take care of your temple.

- Yes. - Because, you know, you eat well at eat well. - You exercise well, yeah, exercise, oh not as much as I should, but I feel like getting out of the bed,

but I would like to start to do a little bit more focus work out, like, strength training is definitely my focus right now. - Yeah. - Muscle mass, that's very important. But I wouldn't mind taking like a pilates

and a little bit grump. (laughing) To keep my joy, to keep my joy smooth, you know. Itching is cruel, it can be cruel, it can be very cruel.

- I know, how you do, how do you deal with that? Especially in your world, where everything is so visual,

I mean, you look amazing.

“- Thank you, I, you should feel good, yeah.”

- But it probably becomes a little hot, as you get older, it's harder to maintain if they're looking and feeling good. - I mean, honestly, like, I get down a little bit, like, you know, first of all, comparison is

will rob you of all your joy, yeah. - So I try not to, like, whenever I feel like that feeling of like, oh my God, like this is happening. And then you're looking around you and like, and people are quitting, like, Asia, relevancy.

It's like, I hate Asiaism, it's like, so horrible. That people, like, you know, you get certain Asian, they're like, on T, yes, but I'm like, don't call me on T, Yada, on T. - Okay, if you're gonna mama dream me great,

but you better be in your 20s, yeah. Not in your 40s, like, it kills me. You know, it kills me when they start to, I'm not a fan of that because I know what that, what that tracks and what that was to connotation behind it.

So I'm always like, they're like,

I'll just out of respect. You can just, you wanna respect me, call me Ms. Emperos or, you know, Ms. Jun or whatever. You wanna have respect like a Southern or fine. But I'm T, you know, it's a little bit very personal.

- Yeah, I'm not into it either. - Yeah, no, I'm so glad you're not into it. - It's very hate to, too. - Right, it's like, and it's like, it's like, alright, what are you trying to say?

You know what I mean? 'Cause you know, they be trying to say, they be slick talking, you gotta catch them quick. I'm almost slick talkers and they be trying it. Like, let's slick talk.

What about, shall I answer your question? - Yeah, it all looks like, I can invent it. - There's no right or wrong answers. - I know, it's like in a gold place, we just don't feel like it's a big question, right, quickly.

- I love the story about on the run. I wonder about, like, 'cause even to go back to that day of me being in that,

you know, I was never, I always kind of struggle with weight.

And like, me, I was up and down, right? - Two, absolutely. - And so even back then, even so even in that moment that we talked about the MTV Awards, I was probably like, you know, I couldn't really wear

what Lil Kim was wearing. - Right. - Oh my god. - I remember that. I couldn't wear, you know, I didn't really feel that,

“but I remember like, what you did with Missy, right?”

- Yeah. - And we got so much to do with that. - What? - So, here's the thing about that. We were like on the Worst dress list, we were like,

yeah, wait for that, I did the plaid hat with the matching golfer cleats and the Lil Kims. And that remix that I did is track jacket, and people like this, next, that season, Deor runway, plaid sportswear,

clam diggers, fabric covered plaid cleats. - Okay. - And no, ooh. - So sometimes you would have a drizzle and I think we do a golf.

- I'm just gonna do a golf outfit. - Let's do it, let's do it. - Let's do it. - Let's do it. Let's do it.

Let's do it very collaborative. So people can buy into it. - Okay, I'm into it. - Not a one off. I think big, not think enterprising, honey.

- Okay, so sorry. - That's not that. - That's not that. - It's not a proper thing. (laughing)

- No one off. - No one off. - No, no. - We're building, we're building, we're building, I'm fine. - We'll get to that later, we'll get to that later.

- But the, look, Britney, she loves it. - He's like, "Yes, yes, yes, yes." - Could you imagine that to us, so she-- - No, but, you know, Missy, who was not the sample side he'd there.

You found the way to make her fly, and even those are data suits. It's like, I was like, "Oh, yeah, I'm so happy that these are the styles, 'cause you were like, studying them out, and then I started wearing those, and feeling, and feeling like I was, you know,

- That you had some creative license, right? - Yeah. - It took creative license, yeah. And that IP, we kind of, we took so much creative license, we were able to, I was able to go to Adidas, and do the first collaboration artist,

well, not the first, 'cause they did run DMC,

“but Missy, in terms of in her genre, I remember,”

at the time, FEMA artist, first collaboration respect me. I was a creative director with it, and her with her on it, and that was before. So you see all these collaborative partnerships now, and it's like, we, you know, I'm gonna say it out loud.

We did it in 2000s, in the 2000s, we did it. And that talk, yeah, shit. - Yeah, and it's not, you know, it's like we did it, because we knew that we were worthy of it. But those seats, I think, adjusted the way

of our influence, and the impact that it was gonna have,

and not just from you taking and culture bolting it, but you had to partner. You had to partner, and we made, we made it a thing. So the prerequisite was, if you want,

“if you wanna play this game, you have to play it with us.”

You have to be on the team. And I just, I look at everything now, and everyone talks about it, like it's like, so new. (laughs) You're like, been there, did that. I was like, okay, I heard you got shot.

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It is a little segment that we do, where somebody sends you our guests from the Ambrose of Voice Note. So let's have that. I just have to tell you that I absolutely love an adore you, everything that you stand for,

for black culture, for black women, and also the drops you've been having on style edits. I love and need every parent, every color. Okay, now that that's out the way, do you not have to ask you about black designers

because I'm noticing this pattern, where black designers who have shaped culture and that we all love get dragged

the second thing make one mistake.

And other major retailers do far worse with zero public consequence.

“And I think about how one article from the cut,”

essentially like took down Pierre Moss and how most recently with Hanifa, she's getting dragged left and right on the internet because of delayed orders. But I'm like, she and has delayed orders all the time.

And I don't see any TikToks with big pieces or anything like that about that. Y'all love to go back to she and, you know what I mean? And as someone who is a legend and OG in the fashion industry, I wanted to ask you,

what does responsible accountability actually look like for black brands? Especially knowing that the margin of error is so thin and one bad price cycle or one bad article can be lights out for the business.

Wow. Wow, that's loaded and so provocative and so honest and so true and so sad. And so makes me angry, you know? It makes me angry for so many reasons

because we are our worst enemy.

“And I always tell like, you know, young designers”

and I've had this conversation with Lequan Smith early in his career, I used to tell them. Stop chasing V2. It's and this was before there was a tell far. I'll be like, what tell far built without retail

is what I was telling Lequan. Focus on production manufacturing, all of those things. You chasing V2, that has the ability to destroy your business and yeah, you'll get there but you have a community in a culture that has your back

and that will show up for you. And that's the thing, right? It's like we will ride a dawn for designers in the beginning. But like the young lady said, it's like,

as soon as it's there, there's no grace for it.

But we've always been held to higher standards

where we don't, we have to work harder as black people. We don't, we're not afford to say them opportunities. They, the discrimination is, and I'm speaking about the discrimination

from the access perspective in terms of supply chains, in terms of factors that you would need to fund to get the product made, you know, being able to get that factor to, you know, to give you that money so that you can produce the collections.

It's always a challenge for black designers. Sometimes they have to take off seasons. Sometimes they go away, they just lose steam, they just can't, it's just so heartbreaking. They sacrifice so much when others,

and it's all, it's all financing. It's all about money. So if something's late, it's because they couldn't, you know, it's access and financing. And it's so frustrating.

So it's like, but all of these companies that really want to support merging designers, that's kind of like the thing that needs to take priority. It's making sure that they have sustainable partners in manufacturing and production.

That back end of the business is so key, you know.

so than put out my own product,

“is because that financial exposure is heavy.”

And I wasn't willing to take that risk for that very reason. - I still have my June and Rose glasses. I still have them in my closet. I still wear them all the time. - They're still selling too.

- Why are you showing me? - Yeah, back up. - But the balance, okay. - And more than maybe, like, I don't like a month ago, I bust out the, I have a brown pair.

- Amazing. - The square ones. - And I saw Joe, I saw Fred Joey. - Oh my gosh. - Oh my gosh.

- Oh, I love it. - I love it. - I love it. - Because Joe said it best in his today's price. It's not today's price.

(laughing) - He's an icon. He's icon for sure. - Wow, that was a great question, by the way.

“- Yeah, it was a great, really great question.”

I think I answered, I think so. - Yeah. - Well, I'd like to know, like, I love the story you tell about going to, on the run and how J and B were the perfect people for you to be around in that time.

And because this isn't real life, and we hear the stories of how you dressed, Missy and that iconic video, or Buster and that iconic video, I wonder if you'd be sure some of, like, your real life connection, or real life moments

that come to you from some of these people. Like, I don't know, we can pick, we can pick. - Well, you have some. - Wait, where do you go? - You're gonna say it out, I was gonna tell you artists that you've worked with, and it's like a real life experience.

- And it's always real life experiences.

Because, or let's say, let's say, what you have. Mariah Carey. - Oh, yeah, yeah. So, Mariah hate, it's like wearing bags, so she doesn't carry a bag.

You know, I came in on the emancipation of Mimi, and you know, she also hates drawing on clothes. So, I literally-- - I'm gonna have to my own heart. - I literally, the way I would get out of where something

is to put it on and walk into the room. (laughing) And she'd be like, "Take it off." (laughing) That's good, you know, or like,

and like, you can pick the calf tan, like, the Tory bird's calf tan, what people thought was a dress was a calf tan. We made it into a dress. Like, I understood her, right?

“So, it's like, 'cause that's what it would take,”

it would take you, 'cause some people could be, taking back by that, or-- - I would be like, you're kidding. - I'd be like, 'cause no, because having female experiences is so different from your experience with a male client.

Some girls can handle me, and some girls can just feel like, I just go away, right? Just like, go away. So, you know, but the, you know, like, true, like, girls that are like super, like, confident and just,

and just think I'm the funniest thing. They get it, you know, they're not bothered by me. I can name a number of those, those women. But, another like thing with Mariah,

we would always like, I would always roll play with her.

We would literally just do movie quotes all day. Mommy, dearest, or clueless. I literally, that's how we would speak to each other. It was not even the actual coalesce, moving quotes. - That's pretty good.

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Itfeeps.com or The Veeeps app. - Bust the ride. - Oh my god, so many. - Too many. - For, okay, first of all, like, kudos to like,

you think about, you're looking at Harry Styles now and you're like, oh, this crowster is doing this. Oh, like, he does this. - Bust it was, I had put Bust it in. He was wearing halters and shit back,

and the most feminine cuts ever. You know, but he's got a mask in it. - Wrapping, it's that up in turbines, and you know, and covering timbulin boots. I was custom designing timbulins,

like literally covering them with fabulous expensive fabrics and stuff like that. It made him the role of Sultan of hip-hop. You know what I mean?

Like, and he was always, like,

he was the best, like, he's still the best. Like, he's just, he was down for it. - He was down for it. Like, every set that we ever did, the Bust around Janet Jackson music video.

Like, you know, he was down for us putting multiple pieces of sitting in prosthetics. I made him a muscle suit before. I mean, like, I can name the amount of outrageousness that I've done with Bust so that he literally

still to this day. I mean, he had no regrets. - Oh, I love that. - No regrets. I don't think that he feels like he can have, he has the license to be as we're like a hulter now.

I don't think his body's changed. But, you know what I mean? (laughing) You still work with him? - No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

- But we're friends, we'll stay in town, she's great. And I consult him, he calls me,

“he needs something, like, what do you think about this?”

I'm like, perfect. - Oh, yeah, I'm like you, I wanna speak down. - Missy Elliott. - Yeah. - It's my sister, my heart, yeah.

- She, I mean, we just sit that tour together. So, you know, Missy, people don't realize Missy's

never been on tour in her career.

Headlined her own tour. - Oh, that's right, this was the first, that's crazy. - This was the first one. - Out of this world, was this first. - Yeah.

- And she came to me and I, you know, I don't take that lightly, 'cause she could have very well collaborated with a big fashion house. - Mm-hmm. - But she entrusted that in me, you know, in me.

And that to me was such a testament of her character, her understanding and respect for the collaboration early, for the, - Yeah, it's just like, you know, it just makes me emotional that after all these years,

and there's so many distractions, and people that she could, like I said, have worked with, that she allowed the universe to, to work with her on that. - We did well by her, you know.

- We had a good time on that tour. We had some fun. - My girl, Mary J. Black. - Oh, I love it. - Mary thinks that I'm a bad chick-raiser.

- What do we do? - She, I mean, it's not Mary's thing, she goes, girl. (laughing) (laughing)

- Where she can get to me, that was she even like, you know, you know, like, you know, Mary.

“Like, like I said, I think the best interview,”

I've seen her Mary, and forever was the one when she sat and talked to you. - Thank you. - Because, for Mary, energy and authenticity and real talk and real, like, is paramount of everything.

And she could smell when you're being a fake bitch. And I love her for that, you know. She'll come in and she'll read the room quick,

never come in with attitudes.

She'll see me she'll hate you. Like, you know, because she knows, you know what I mean? Like, the energy is good. - I'm only gonna show up as who I am. And I love her, respect her so much.

And every time I've worked with Mary, we have giggled and had a good time. She thinks she thinks she thinks she thinks I'm nuts. (laughing) - But you know what, you're interesting.

When you say sometimes when you're in a service business and you've kind of, you know, you said I've managed to kind of be able to live in those two worlds, right? Like artists like Mary, respect and sees and recognizes that

to where she like come in my video, like we could be girlfriends. And I'm like in the music video with her starring in the video with her. Whereas like another artist would be like,

you're the help, you're not gonna be in my music videos of girlfriend. We're walking on hallway together.

Like she has that like reals and day

a kind of relationship with her, you know, with her style is kind of energy. And I thought that was like, she said a lot about like who she was and her confidence as a woman, I love that.

- She's the best, right? - The best. - You did like, I know you worked with Puffer many years. - Yeah. - Bad boy.

- Yeah. - What about the guys? - What about them? - Completely like, you know, that the dynamic between like male artists is like,

that safe place, that trusted, you know, places like getting a prostate exam. You know, it's like, you know, it's like, you know. (laughing) - That was a good scenario.

And it's like, no, it's like, you know, it's intimidating, it can be a to work with like, I'm a very strong communicator when it comes to like style with men, I present differently from the girls. - You do?

- Yeah, it's a different character, but it's always a place

of, you don't have to pretend with me, you know. You know, you can just, and also, you can,

“it's always important that with men that you really,”

they have to be in the driver's seat in a way, it's such a vulnerable place, you know. It's like, you know, it's just a different dynamic, yeah, different dynamic. - With J2, I would imagine, right?

- Oh, yeah, but he's great. I mean, he's like, you know. But he is the epitome of effortless, like the sweat. Like, we're at the point, it's like 30 years later, it's not even, what do you mean?

- He styles himself. - He does. - Yes, it's like, we just hang out. You know what I mean? - Yeah, he just, he's an icon.

- Yeah. - Yeah, the work, the work is, he's an icon. Like, he, he doesn't matter, we could be a T-shirt. We have fun, it's like not, it's not work. - It's not pressure, yeah, just, you know, like,

if I want it, like, what does he like or not like? Like, oh, he's had to grow into that too. I would imagine he wasn't like, I still challenge and push him certain things. - You do.

- Yeah, it's important, because you know, we're evolving. - Yeah. - You know, we have to try it. - Try it. - Have you ever pissed him off?

Have you ever made him wear something and then he did not appreciate it after. - It was like that didn't work. I was upset about it, but maybe on my end, I might have noticed it, I was like,

but, no, I don't think, yeah, just off now. 'Cause you don't even go there if it doesn't feel good. - He just onto the next. - Yeah, it's not worth it. - Yeah.

- You know, it's like he's, he's two-seasoned. - Yeah. - You know, it's like, it's different than working with a new artist versus like, you know. - It's he the only one that you've been with

from the beginning and, yeah, he's like, he's like, like he's my only guy right now. He's my only guy right now. - I'm like retired in a sense. Like, I focus more on a design, creative direction.

- Yes. - Not to say that I wouldn't do, I love, I still love music video. I still love creative projects like, you know, like campaigns and all that kind of stuff.

I love that stuff. - Yeah. - But he keeps him as a client still. - Yeah, he's, yeah. Forever.

- I don't, when we go and go, like, it's like, (laughing)

“I think it's, I mean, nothing's forever,”

but it's forever in my head. - I love that. - Yeah. - And why, June, have you not been invited to that? - No, we had that conversation on the cut

and everyone got very upset, not the cut, I am. - Why don't you say it on complex? - Why are they gonna do it? - Well, my husband was like, you saw like you were complaining.

- 'Cause he was like, he can only care. - Here's the question. - The truth, right? - The truth. - And the truth.

- It's a good, being invited to that gallery, sir. Am I spending, what? (laughing)

My mother always said invited guests, you did the best.

I've been, I've been, I've been, I don't know if I was invited though. - That's what you've been. - I've been years and years and years ago. - Right.

- Um, do I care? - Yeah, do you care that you know it? - Oh. - No, because it's a fundraiser. - Right.

- Um, no, I don't actually.

“- You're thinking about your husband's voice, isn't it?”

- No, I don't. (laughing) - I think I'm, I think I'm, I think I'm, I think I'm asking. - I'm so pasted, I've recognized what it is.

They raised a lot of money for this. - But you've got, how many people have you gotten ready for the Met Gala? - Oh, not a lot. - Really?

- My thing? - Yeah, not a lot. - No, no. - Have you done it? Have you, I mean, I did.

- Oh, yeah, but we don't.

If you bring that up then we have something about the last time he was seen. - Oh, was that, that was the look? - Uh-huh. - The dog Vader.

That was, I did puff for the. - Yes, in the old black. - Oh, yeah, design that look. - That make you feel looking back at that look. - It was appropriate.

Yeah, it was appropriate.

“While you think about it, those black roses”

and the darkness, wow. Yeah, and that was the picture that ran everywhere. There's so much heartbreak. - And they saw a brick in that, I know, sorry. - It's a disappointment.

- And disappointment. I don't want to have to not talk about the great things that I've worked on and did. - Yes. - Really annoying.

- That is annoying. - 'Cause there's so many iconic moments and you ruin it for everyone that was involved. - It's so funny. - It's so funny.

- It's like, when something happens like that, even listening with puff, it's like the artists that, you know, I had one, 12, and a total, they were on tour and they came on the show. And I couldn't talk to them about it.

They spoke about it very lightly and carefully. - Right, yeah. - Because it's not, they're burdened to care. - That's right. - It's not your burden.

- That's very, but part of your history, it's like, so what you suppose to act like you didn't do great things with that. And it's like when the Cosby Show gets canceled. So we don't get this.

- We love the Cosby Show. Because the one guy, I mean, if people really go back and look at my resume, my discography, I've done some, yeah, there's a lot of things that I don't talk about.

Big music videos, groundbreaking. And because the muse has been exiled into life and performance stuff. It's just, how do you feel about it? Like you said, or, "Yeah, it makes me, it's culturally,

it doesn't do it. It does not go for the culture." It's not good for it. It's, how does it serve any of us to not, and to celebrate what, you know,

the downfall of it, to not all just be disappointed and discussed it.

“It's like, how do we not, how do we not sad behind that?”

I mean, to be, you're outraged by like the X, right? But like, we know, we've seen this chaos before. But to be so close to it is really heartbreaking, because some of it, you didn't see that side, you know, and it's like, the fact that you were held to different

in regards, then you start to feel like,

yeah, 'cause you never feel very angry.

- No, in that, of course not, no. - Right. - Probably been a hospitalization. I mean, no, I mean, it's just, yeah, no, again. - You know, Andrew, we've grown up around the age.

I mean, but we were held to, we were held, we were dealt with differently, and I don't know what it is about us, because I'm not, we're not doing that. - We're not, that's not, yeah.

- And it's like, you raise your voice. I, like, my mom didn't yell at me. I didn't grow up in that kind of home. So, and I know that hurt people hurt people. So, the way I dealt with people that were acting out,

it was in a, in a, in a very, because you said you recognize, I'm, and, and, pathic in that way, and I'm able to, really shift energy and make people feel safe that they don't have to perform when they're within our,

in our sacred space. You don't have to perform for me. This is just, this is just us. And I see you, I see how, I see you, I see, I see, we've been able to manage personalities,

we manage all types of characters, and, yeah, for sure. - But they're constantly, like I said, early in my life, I knew there were consequences to actions, and, and, to every action, there's a consequence,

- Yeah. - It affects you a little, you have history and all, yes. - Yeah. - So, it's like that part. - That part's hard to track, yeah.

- Yeah. - But, you know, the metgala is gonna be really exciting this year, because Beyoncé's show. - Yeah, how, so how does that shift? - I mean, that's exactly what I mean.

I don't style it, if I'm saying. - I don't know, but, like, just her being part of that, I don't know. - So, it's exciting. - I mean, she hasn't been in a while,

so she always brings excitement.

She's like, it's like, you know, when Rihanna started going to the met, we were like, we were like, we were wait to see what, you know, Rihanna would come with it at the end, like, the carpet would be closed and Rihanna would show up.

- B2? - Yeah.

“- That's what they had a long, that's what I'm saying.”

So, you know, she's a rare, but her cheering, it does that mean, anything does that mean? - I don't really know what that means. I know that recently, they just, I don't know what that means, just to stay in a deal with it.

But maybe you'll get an invite this year. - Well, Anna's still controls-- - Oh, yeah, it's okay. Let us not. - Anna, come on now, Anna.

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of real life push. - Oh my god, it's so intimidating. - No, you're an amazing person. - I pick, yeah, you pick whatever you like. If you could instantly master any skill,

what would it be? Ooh, it's in your head, the thing is in your head. The paper is in your head. (laughing) When you had to big, if you can instantly master any skill,

what would it be? - Yeah. - That? - No, no, no. (laughing) - Yeah, no, oh, woo, any skill. Um, um, sketching, I'm not a good sketcher. I sketch very loose, it's like kindergarten,

but like real. So getting the idea out of your brain, on to the paper is sometimes hard, I would imagine. - If you're not a good sketcher. - I've, thank God for technology

'cause I can now sketch through, you know, to digital sketching, but yeah. Okay, go for another one. Give me three, let's do three. - Instantly, isn't it?

Oh, a prayer or affirmation, you say often, oh God. It's almost a serenity prayer, you know.

I always ask for God to give me grace,

you know, for the things that I cannot do. I mean, I've been sobered drunk, so I don't even understand how to say it, but yeah, I always, literally constantly say, you know, what if I don't get done today,

I put it off the tomorrow and give myself grace constantly. It's okay, I always affirm that it's okay. I'm enough and it's okay.

“Yeah, that's how you hold onto that joy.”

- Yeah, I'm like, it's okay. I'm like, I, take another one. (laughing) And then I have a couple of here in the world. Oh, you got more.

What have you always wanted to do, but have it. Oh, this is loaded. There's so many things because I feel like, I wanna go to India. - Yeah. - I wanna eat love and pray.

- Oh my God, yeah, I'll fit in India, I'm gonna be. - Fire, India is on my bucket list, and I've traveled the world. - Yeah. - India is on the, yeah.

Do you find like, why India, yeah, India? - No, I would totally have to go to India also. - Yeah. - Oh, and I wanna see the Northern Lights. - Yeah, that's good too.

- Yeah. - Okay, Juni, Juni, I am no longer available for. (laughing) Come on, you got it. - I am no longer available for brain picks.

It's like, it's like, oh my God. - I wanna pick your brain. - Okay, but how does that serve me? It is picking and not giving anything. (laughing)

- I love that. - Yeah, it's like, what are you giving me? - Yeah. - Pick one something, you just pick, pick, pick, pick.

I'm giving, I'm always giving.

I'm always giving, we are giving. - For sure. And it takes a lot to have a brain worth picking. It takes a lot of effort and work

“you have to put into yourself to have a brain worth picking.”

So it's like, if I'm putting so much effort into doing this, what effort are you doing? - You bring it by picking it.

when you say like, how does it serve me?

I mean, no, that's not. - Yeah. - It should.

“- I mean, it doesn't mean that I don't give.”

I'm just saying like, you can't just keep picking my brain. - No, I think it's important to give when you have something to give. - Yeah, I'm no longer available for people who don't see what I see in myself.

And I only wanna be out of you, yeah. - That's right, yeah. - I heard you. - I felt that deep in my soul. When I walk into a room, I want people to feel.

(laughing) - Like, they want a dance. - I don't even want a dance. - No, I want them to feel, yeah, I want them to feel joy. I want them to feel like it's gonna be okay, yeah.

Like whatever is going on in their world, like I can just escape with this moment with June. - What do you like most about yourself, June? - Oh, I think my ability to see the best in people before I see the worse.

I will always see the goodness first.

I don't look for what could be wrong with you. I look for what is right about you, from inception. That's like, think my, one of my best attributes. And people always say, oh, you always see the good in a variety of people.

And yeah, people like that get taken advantage of, but I don't think it's being taken advantage of. I think it's, you know, my mother always gave people grace. When they wronged her, when they did things that made her cry, she was always really able to forgive and give them grace.

And always found a reason why they did what they did. And that is who I am. - That's what I am doing.

“That's why I understand that completely.”

- Yeah, it's like I understand. You know, that that personality does get taken advantage of. - Oh, sure. - Yeah, so how do you protect yourself from that? - Um, you know, there is a grace of God.

You know, there is some higher power thing God.

I, most things, I don't feel like I have to carry a lot of what this world is put on our backs to carry. Sometimes I just give it to God. - Give it to God. - Yeah, speaking of God.

It's my favorite question in the bowl and we will end with that one. If God were to text you right now, what would it say? - I've prepared you, so sorry, I have picked you for everything

that's coming your way. And be still. - June and Rosalind. - Thank you. - It's a real life.

(laughing) (laughing) - How about that make you so emotional? - It does. - It does good, no, that's so good.

That question does, like I don't know what it is about that. 'Cause it's like the realest thing ever. - Yeah, because it's like... What? - What time do you do?

Sometimes you don't think you're being seen, but everyone's paying attention. And... Oh, and I called you and I said I need to come see it. - Oh, it makes me so...

- So thank you. - Thank you for just, thank you. - Thank you for coming. - June and Rosalind, we're alive, everyone. (laughing)

- You can't leave, try it. We ought to leave and join. - Give me some joy. - Wow! - What is this, this joy?

- Yes, it is. - Oh, this is so happy. - Yeah. - So this is joy. - Yeah, and joy is when you feel safe,

when you feel seen, that is joy. And people like, "Oh, you know, I wanna be seen." And people like, "Some people don't wanna be seen." I want to be seen. It's like, "If I'm not seen, what am I doing?"

Like, at the end of our lives, am I not supposed to have existed?

“Like, I think that's what I think about the most.”

My mom being gone, I constantly say her name, because her legacy is the fact that she was here that she created me, that she gave me this life. And if I don't continue to celebrate that, then it was if she didn't,

like, she wasn't here. So you're being seen for her? - Yeah, people move on. And we leave this earth, we move on, we leave, we have to all leave.

And what is your legacy? I mean, my kids, like, the way I changed culture, the way I made people think, the way I made people feel, that's my legacy. - Yeah, yeah, I think that's why you're so emotional.

- That's why I'm so emotional. - Because you carry the weight of honoring your mother by being seen. - Yeah, it's like a little girl growing up in an immigrant. I came to this country, I wasn't born in this country.

So when I see immigrants, the way they're being tortured now when I see, I know the sacrifices that immigrants have, you know, leaving their country to come to this country for a better life. And this is not a better life.

And like, wait, hold on.

Where I came from, as an always,

every time something immigrant comes, there's not because of the running from something. They're running towards something. And when that is being misinterpreted, that part, I take real personal and that part hurts

because I know what it's like to come to this country as an immigrant and to have gotten my citizenship and to, I pay my part, I do my part, shift it culture, I shift it culture, we've built empires, billionaires, billionaires, and millionaires.

And we share that, you know what I mean?

“The adjacentness of success is super important to me.”

So if I'm successful, anyone that's in the universe should be successful too. And you are your mother's legacy. - I am a mother's legacy. - Yeah. - Hi, oh, two of her. - Juniper. - Thank you.

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