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Our entrepreneur is here in entrepreneur in award-winning designer of business Titan with a company currently worth over $3 billion. He is also a devoted family man, provocative shoe designer.

He is nothing but an inspiration. You are. You also happen to be Brittany, my executive producer of the podcast. She worked.

That's deep in her boss. You were a boss before I was a man. Okay. Stay mad and see her. Okay.

Hey. Did you think of yourself? No. When you see her. Oh, God, that's such a deep question.

How do I think of myself? No, no, it's okay. It's all good, you know. Um, you know, uh, because your name is John.

Yes. I know. Well, sometimes. I mean, at the end of the day, we're all the same.

We're looking to mirror and we see pimples and you know, we think we're that. And you know, whatever it is. And so we have her once in a while. That's cool.

I'm Steve Madden, but mostly it's. You know, throughout the garbage. Throughout the garbage. It's mostly that. It's funny whenever we book somebody.

You know, we had this barber corporate was on recently. And then I would see this her building. Well, instead of I noticed everything that she had in New York City. So the same thing with you, I knew you were coming. And it's like, there's a Steve Madden store.

It's like, I feel like I'm every corner. It's not every corner. But there's a lot of them. There's a lot of them. But I was just spending some time with Miami.

They're all over Florida. They're all over New York.

“What does that feel like to you when you drive past?”

Uh, do you even start? I get a real big kick out of seeing people wear my shoes. That's fun. More than more than you can. Well, the stores are good.

But then I think about, you know, how are they running and all of that? So not that I don't enjoy all of this. I do. You know, I'm happy.

But, you know, it's like at last four seconds. That little euphoria. And then life is zero on the real life. Yeah, I think so. Yeah.

Kids, you know, our kid, my kid goes to school. She looks sloppy. She looks clean. Is she wearing Steve Madden? Most of the time, sometimes not.

Sometimes not. Sometimes not. Houses me pan.

I was going to say this in piss.

Yeah. It is a, it is a sore point. Yes. Yeah.

“And my son doesn't always wear Steve Madden,”

which really drives me crazy. What does he, what does he, what's he wear? He wears more jealous sneakers. Oh. I know.

It's unbelievable. Oh. I love him. To me, he's, and we're going to be an elevator. So we're, we'll choose to those.

And he's 18. And he says, "They're yours. See, Madden. But then I find out that they're more jealous." Oh, no.

The disrespect in your own home. I know it's unbelievable. But it's fascinating. Really. I can't imagine for you when you make the design

issues and you walk around the city. Because you're still in the city, right? You live in New York. Yeah. So you walk around New York.

And every, like, one out of how many people have a pair of things. Oh, I don't know. I see the bags around the lot. Yeah.

The bags are everywhere. There are everywhere. Yes. Like, you went to the next game last night. Are you sitting at the garden, looking at people's feet?

I do. Yeah. I always look at people's feet. I've been in the shoe business since some 17 years old. Yeah.

And that's my life. And so I often, when I shake someone's hand, I always look down. And people, and, you know, I don't know if people notice it.

I'm sure it's weird. Yeah. But I do. I can't help it. That's really what I mean.

That's what I do. What is that? Because, you know, I've interviewed a lot of artists, music artists.

And I always hear stories of people like when they first started rapping.

They would sell their mix tapes out of the backseat of their trunk. Right. Like, with sell mixed tapes. They would sell. But I don't know anybody who's done the shoe hustle out of the trunk.

I did that. You did that. You know, what is the shoe hustle? And I, it's so funny.

“Because that's why I did have a few friends in the music business.”

Yeah. And I sort of, you know, I sort of connected with that hustling kind of vibe. Mentally. Yeah. Yeah.

I was good friends with a couple of guys. We're right. Or we've got it. Yes. Or we've got it.

I was thinking about him today. I miss him so much. Me too. And I can't believe he's not here anymore. And, but he, you know, he has that.

Yeah. But they wouldn't, you know, they come from that school. The hustler spirit. The hustler spirit. Yeah.

They got a game with Irvin, John Roll and they were great. We had so much fun. Yeah. Take me to your time now. Take me.

Who's that guy? Who's selling shoes out of the trunk of the car? Who are you? What age are you? So I worked for a company when I was in my 20s.

And then I went on my own in my 30s. Yeah. And I just started with one shoe. There was a little factory in East New York.

“In the middle of a, you know, a tough neighborhood.”

You know, I would just make, I started with what I could do. You know, what I mean by that is, I didn't have a lot of money. So I couldn't, I couldn't be like a startup. You know, like, I started with one shoe. I would go to the stores.

I would sell the shoe. So that being like series like one shoe. I actually started with one shoe was a little clogged. Yes. You know, and I had a bank roll.

Yeah. You know, and I carried it in my, in my pocket. And I had a couple of employees. And I used to pay them every day at the end of the night. It is 60 bucks, he is 80 bucks.

Every single one they went around to a fair.

No, I'm just saying like I had a driver was my first employee.

Because I had like 20 to DWIs. So I had no license. So I had a driver and a guy worked in my building where lived in the village. So I had a driver and we go and we sell the shoes. And then, you know, and it just started like that.

It really just, you just start, you know, where you can and build up bank roll. There's really something to that. I mean, obviously there was 1,000 steps in between and the ups and downs or that. But there's really something about. Yeah.

That moment for so many people who have an idea have a dream. Have things like. Yeah. Do the one start get the one shoe. Yes.

That is exactly right. Or do the one thing. A lot of people, you know, people have, you know, just hear like the word start up. So I get this idea of like an office with a lot of like desks.

And it's a start up. I don't actually know what it means. They get some money. And they start up. But for me, it was the start up was to take a hot shoe, a shoe.

And get it into stores. I had a connections with the stores from my previous job. You know, and they bought the shoe. And they reordered the shoe. And then I had two shoes.

But a label on it. Steve Madden. Yeah. And then it just. It just multiplied.

And then then from that point to today. That's how many years now. It's 35, 36. This will be the 36 years started in 1990. Wow.

Yeah. Started almost. It's almost. Yeah, about 36 years. And then they didn't even feel like you still like or does it feel like.

I don't know. It's like a story at this point. It's so long. It's a story. But it's me.

And I'm still a hustler. And I'm older and wealthier. And maybe less insecure.

And these are things that I never really talk about.

“Since I don't have a psychiatrist anymore.”

But, you know, I feel like for me, like I feel like okay. I got kids. And I'm feeding my kids like a hunter. You know, in my mind. And, you know, I, that's it.

I'm getting up. I'm going to take care of my family. I'm going to feed them. And, I know that sounds a little primitive. And, but for me, it helps me.

It keeps me going during the day. It's not about me. It's, I got to take care of these three kids. And X, Y, and X girlfriends and all that. But, you know, I'm saying, you know.

But, you know, that's what I do. So, that's the motivation. Yeah. Because back then, your motivation was what? To make money, to be successful, to beat your demons.

Because I, you know, I know a lot of your story.

I know that you've been through trauma and addictions and loss and addiction. Yes. I mean, addiction itself. Yes. It's not a small thing.

It's not a small thing. It's not a small thing. It's a blurb in your, like, you know, in your book and the cover you're book. And it talks about you, you're recovering. But addiction is sometimes people's whole story.

You know, that's so smart, what you're saying. It doesn't have to be your whole story. But it's definitely part of my story. And, and, but it doesn't have to be the whole story. It's just so, it's, it's hard to explain it to people.

It's considered substance abuse as a disease by the textbooks now. And when you, you know, when you're in it, it's hard to get out of it. And like in it, to, you know, sometimes like diarrhea. Let's just say it. And you can't, I know this is often, but you can't will yourself to stop.

Like, I'm going to just not go to the bathroom.

But that's the way it is getting high.

Wow. You know, you just, you know, it's kind of like that. And when you're in it, it's, it's really almost impossible to get out of it. And it's, it's, you know, but had you beaten the addiction at the early stages of your like the trunk out the trunk?

The trunk days. That's when I started getting sober. The trunk days. Yeah. You know, yes, you can get sober.

One can get sober. Wow. It can happen. What if I can get sober? Yeah.

Anybody can get sober because. Well, what is this thing? What do you attribute that to? How? You know, like, I, I go to, I have places that I go where people like me.

“And we, and we, you know, and that's what we do.”

You know, it's, you know, you have to surround yourself with healthy people. And, and just still an ongoing and absolutely forever. Yes. Yes. It's ongoing.

Yes. Does that stick with you through, like, uh, I don't know. You've had so many highs, awards, success. You know, money. No, seriously.

It's not a small thing. People work that, you know, it's a big thing. Money, money, money, money, money, money. My people listen. I know.

Well, if you, you know, money is a real thing. It's a real thing. And if money, money, cannot make you happy. Yeah.

Can't cure addiction. Can't cure addiction. And it cannot make you happy. You can buy. Reason, buy things.

And you can be comfortable with money. But money itself will not make you happier. It will not. But, um, but of course, uh, because it's sort of an inside job. Wow.

You know what I mean? Yeah. And the other thing is, it occurs to me that sometimes it can, to press people in a way because you think, okay, well, once I get this, I'm going to be good, you know,

and then you get it. And then it's like, wait, I still feel like shit. What's going on here, you know? Um, and so then it could be a little bit, uh, depressing in a way, like probably post porn.

Probably could set people back to their advantage. Yeah.

“Well, you know, you can say, like, I thought I was going to be so happy, you know?”

Yeah. But, um, I'm thinking about like somebody that's a movie maker or whatever. You know, I mean, and they have let's say a lot of money, but I think that they want to make money, but they also want to make good movies.

Hmm. You know, so, and I feel that way. I want to make money. But I want to make good shoes. And I want to have a great company because I have money now.

You know, so, um, So now the goal is good. I mean, the goal is to have a great business and the sort of a healthy life, you know? I mean, I don't mean, he care.

You know what I mean? I mean, like, you know, sort of, live a sort of a healthier, make healthier choices. Hmm. What is that for you? What does that look like for you?

Unless, uh, no temper tantrums. To know what I mean? It's to lose my temper a lot. And, uh, you know, stuff like that.

have nothing to do with you. Hmm. So, you know, when you're, when you're not really healthy, every kind of little thing, you get insulted easily. You know, somebody has an answer to your phone,

or it doesn't text you right back, you know, and a lot of things have nothing to do with you. So, if you can live your life like that, that's for me. That's just me. Yeah.

You know, you learn that, you know, they're not even thinking about me. They're just, it's not an insult.

“You know, this has nothing to do with me, you know?”

That's, that's the, that's the message. That's like, that's very important. Yeah. You know, but certain, you know, I've been in that place where everything's about me. Uh, you know, everything's about me all the time, you know?

And so we talk about, you know, freedom from the bondage of self, you know? And so being healthy is kind of like that. It's kind of like not everything is about me, and don't get insulted over every little thing that goes on. I mean, you know people like that.

Oh, yeah. They get insulted about every little thing, and sometimes you're with them, you go, why they upset? Well, did I say something? What did I do?

And I hate that. But I could be that guy, you know? Yeah. I could try and not be. I could be that guy.

You're trying to be better. I'm pissed off all day. But you're trying to be better. Well, I'm trying to be happier. Yeah.

“I'm trying to be, I don't know, better, but I'm trying to,”

I'm trying to be happier, and I'm trying to, you know, it's good to learn about stuff too. Yeah. But not everybody needs to. Today's show is brought to you by our presenting sponsor,

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Yes. People expect you to have the answers a lot of things. We have a big company today, and there's a lot of layers. So I don't know everybody, like I used to know everybody in the company. Yeah.

But I just wonder what that feels like to have to be a leader of such and so many people. You know, the funny thing is it's in some ways it's the opposite.

Many of the guys and women and men that worked for me don't always listen to me.

So, and I don't think listening to me. And so, if you had more people like me in business, you'd find that that's a very common thing. Yeah, that they don't. Well, that will require you to hire well.

I've hired so well. That's really one of the keys to my success. I've been very lucky. I picked a lot of small people. What is the secret sauce?

What is the thing? Because there's a lot of shoe companies. What is the Steve Madden secret sauce? That lets you have this much success for so long. There is no secret sauce.

We work hard. We move quick. Speed, product. We have a North Star in our company. All the people that I work with have this.

We know.

So, I always say like, take care of the product first and the money will come.

That's sort of the way I believe. You know, I don't really get too hung up on that. Of course, making money profits very important. But the first thing is make sure you have good shoes. Yeah, that's what we do.

Yeah, that's what it is. And when you go into design even now. Yeah, we're trying to make shoes that people want to buy. Yeah, that's what I want to make. That's it.

Yeah, I'm not interested in making shoes. People don't want to buy.

“But what you you serve is a very specific customer too, right?”

It's like you chose accessibility. Right? You chose like to be able to be affordable. Yeah. Because you could have designed.

I'm sure. I don't know. You don't think you could have designed that. I'm not sure. A thousand dollars.

I've always been in the same thing. I make shoes that are not too cheap, not too expensive. It's a sweet spot. It's a nice spot. Yeah.

No, you know, I don't know if I could. I don't really know if I could. I'm just.

You've never thought about that.

“Well, I know it's a different ball game.”

It's just a different thing. Jayce had a famous Steve Madden line. I wonder how you felt about that. You know, I was in prison with that happen. Oh, my goodness.

I was. How did you take that? Well, because you could take it good or bad. Like, you know. Couldn't care less.

I'm happy. You know, I, you know, I was in prison. And he mentioned many and, you know, everybody was talking about it. And, um, and I actually met him in a party. Yeah.

And I told him about any. He left it my face. I know he did. He did. I don't know if he was hurt me.

We were at a party. He was with Beyonce. She was so nice. No, she, I mean, she's lovely. She really was so lovely.

Yeah. So sweet. Well, how did you handle it? Yeah. And I said, I'm going to tell you a story.

And, you know, and I'm told him the story. And he just giggled and laughed in my face. That's what he had. Did you? Did you?

Did you offer any feeling about it?

I was trying to like talk to him about it, but like he wasn't. It wasn't the time. It wasn't the time. It wasn't the time. But his wife was lovely.

Yeah, but so what? So you're in prison. Yeah, it came out. It was a thing. Yeah, it was a thing.

How did you feel about that? It was fine. It was good. He mentioned. Yeah.

He mentioned the brand and it was fine.

“And, you know, it was no big deal, but I wanted to like talk to him.”

Like Casey. What would you have said? What would you know? No. I just like I was in prison.

You helped me out. Everybody treated me so great. Thanks to you. You wanted to have your moment. Yeah, he wasn't going for it.

He wasn't going for it. He wasn't going for it. Maybe it wasn't the time. Maybe it was the time. I think it was busy doing what he does.

I feel like there was a whole bunch of other lyrics too. I feel like that you. There was some other.

Yeah, I met all those guys.

Yeah. I met Nas. That was fun. How was that? He was cool.

Yeah. I met Nas and met T.I. I took a plane ride with T.I. The plane. I liked T.I. as music, by the way.

Okay. Well, that was big also when I was away. Oh, yeah. That sound. You know, you don't know me.

All those songs. Yeah. I really. Yeah. I really liked it.

I try to tell him that too. But I was. I had him on a plane with me. So he couldn't get away from me. Yeah.

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And that moment when the person in there in their jail pose is turning around and going back. It's tough to even watch that from the outside. Yeah, yeah. It's a thing about that. So I can only imagine.

I can't. What it's like to be the guy going back. Yeah. So that was very hard. So what is the thing that drives you through?

You've been through so much and then you get out of jail. By the way, then you get out. Yeah. Oh, that's so good. It was so good.

It was so good. But now you're out. Yeah. You probably like on a. It's like right now.

Well, the February is the year of the horse. But the year of the horse. Yeah. You would probably. It was.

Yes. I was. Right. I came out and I had a lot of energy. And I was grateful.

And it was. It was an exciting time to come out. And and thankfully. You know, the team was in place. And we went.

And we just exploded. You know, it was great. Wow. Yeah. That's very lucky like that.

It's super inspiring and soup. And it's so much of a testament to like. I don't know.

It's just like your story is not always written for you at the beginning.

And it's like. You could have went in a completely different direction. I could have. I could have died too. Yeah.

You know, drugs in alcohol kill. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I'm sure. Don't wake up one day.

That's it. Yeah. So what was the thing that woke you up? Well, you know, you're sick and tired of being sick and tired. Yeah.

You know, that's what it is. We have an alcoholism in my family. Yeah. And my brothers too. And so.

You know, I don't know. Lucky star. You know. And.

“But you have to surround yourself with a lot of sober people.”

And. Is there a survivor's remorse in that? No, but there are times when you would just, you know, you feel like, you know, you feel like I'm just need to get it. Hi, well, I need to get out, you know, and those are the times you need to reach out. I mean, now I feel like smoking a mob or red right now.

What? I miss me. I miss that. I don't know lately. I've been missing.

Figure out smoking a cigarette. So bad. It's so bad for you. Don't do it. I'm not doing it.

And I'm just saying it's so like that's when I. Oh, God. I just want to like light up a cigarette, you know, and just. Uh. Yeah.

I know. But you know. So bad. It's so bad. And it's so good.

It's so good. And it's so bad. And so good. And so bad. And I actually.

I should eat lungs to be good.

“Do you have that different spices now to kind of like replace?”

You know. Well, you know, I. I. I work out a lot. You know, I work out.

And I don't know. You know. I can't stop that special. You know, just. You are special.

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Today. Today I'm a nine. Today I'm a nine. But every day is different. Yeah.

You know, most of the time I'm happy. Okay. You have a guy. Most of the time. Okay.

Then when I walk in a room, I want people to feel. I want people to feel. What do I want them to feel? What do you want people to respect?

Yeah. Maybe respect. What do you respect most about yourself? I respect the ability to do things that are not comfortable. You know.

You know. Mostly not getting high. I respect that about myself. Good for you. Yeah.

No, really that's true. It's real thing. Yes, it sure is. Yeah. But what are the things?

We're going to the bar. People are drinking tequila. You know everybody drinks tequila now. Yeah. I missed the tequila thing.

Like people are like fans. They buy these. Is this pissing you off? Hundred dollars. Well, whatever.

Maybe even more bottles of tequila. They're experts. They are. They are. They're tequila.

I know people advance to themselves. Yeah. Tequila experts. I'm sipping on a coke. Is it piss you off a little bit?

A little bit. Yeah. Yeah. What you people know for this so many of us. I have.

I have. Family. Gambleing addicts. Also. Yes.

Alcoholics. Yeah. So. What you people know about addicts?

“What should outside people when dealing with family or did?”

What should they understand? Who's this hard? Sometimes. Outside. From family members.

Yeah. That's. That's a big question. What should they understand? And it's a disease.

It's a disease. Yeah. Like diabetes. Like cancer. It's a disease.

They can't stop. Alex can't stop. Alcoholics can't stop. But there are places where they can't stop. It's.

It's arrested. You can arrest it. But you can't cure. Ever. Ever.

Wow. Yeah. But that doesn't mean you can't have a great life. And you know, you arrested and you go on. And you could have a great life.

There's. You're like the poster boy for that. Well, today I am. You know what I mean? It's.

We have it today at a time. And there's a lot of people out there that are sober. And, you know, some. Doing great things. They don't.

They don't. Broadcast it. Yeah. Because it's probably hard to revisit sometimes, right? I'm so wonder.

I want to stay humble about it, too. But Anthony Hopkins just celebrated 50 years of sobriety. Wow. You know, the old actor that we didn't.

Of course. Silence of the lens. Yeah. I saw he went in and spoke about it online. And he's someone TikTok.

How do you never talked about it before?

Well, yeah. People knew about it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Wow. 50 years. Yeah. God bless.

God bless is right. That's amazing. That is amazing. That is amazing. What do you like when we talk about business?

It's like, there's so many people. I'm sure you do. You do a lot of mentorship. You have good. Organizations.

You believe in rehabilitation and. And, and giving people a like, I know even in your company. You hire. You do. Normally incarcerated.

Yeah. We have a few. Few people that I was in prison with work with me. Yeah. Oh, that's a work.

Yeah. Yeah. And then we work with some. Organizations to do fund and. And.

And. I would like to. I'd like to reach out to young people. If I can. To not throw in the towel in their 20s.

If they get going out and getting fucked up and. Being foolish and. You know, it's not too late to turn it around. Yeah. And.

It's hard to teach the entrepreneur thing. Yeah. So you're an entrepreneur and. Yeah. You know, it's it comes.

It could be anything. You know, it's just someone that makes their own way. Yeah. And does things differently and succeeding. Yeah.

You know, it's so funny. I just was saying this to Brittany. That was like my whole career.

I have never focused on money enough.

I've always been like. I want to make a cool. I want to be. Yeah. Great.

Yeah. Which you probably have some of that. Which you do. But you're you've also been very diligent about creating a successful. Financial.

Yes. You know, successful companies different. I do think it's. I think that's a good point. You're making.

“I think you have to make money as an entrepreneur.”

Yes. I actually think if you you're failing as the entrepreneur.

Ring in the register.

I think you need to ring the register.

Got to ring the register. But of course, you know, if you're if you have passion, you're an artist. You're trying to design that dress or make that song or. Yeah. You know.

And so you said, well, I'm going to do that. But usually, if you take care of those things, the money will follow.

“And you have to make sure that that's what they've always said to us.”

And I feel like we've gotten a lot of shit wrong. No one. No one. They. We have to be hustled.

Work so hard all the time. I don't know. That was right. At this big age, I'm starting to think. Maybe I need a little more balance, right?

Maybe I have to work hard for a year to get the balance now. Well, working hard is good. Working smart is good. Yeah. And then the other thing is, you know,

you create something you love and the money will come. That's always right. Sometimes it doesn't. But if you're smart, that's part of the trip. You have to make that happen.

Yeah. That's part of the entrepreneurial trip. Yeah. You know, you're balancing like. It do.

I want to enrich myself to. I want to build my business. Like there's so many things that go into this. Ride that you're on. You know, I've just listening to.

I just was an audio book because my eyes are shit. That's all in the glass. So you try to go on the ball. Oh, God. And I was listening to a book.

There's a Lauren Michaels. Uh-huh. He's the. Yeah. Yeah.

Of course. And, you know, it was taken with.

“He's been there forever and he's built this huge thing.”

And. He's a great entrepreneur. And he had so many things. You know, on his plate that he was. And I was really taken with the book.

Really enjoyed that. Yeah, I really enjoyed it. Yeah. I met him once. Yeah.

And uh, but it was a long time ago. And he doesn't remember me. Sure. But that's okay. Who cares?

You got some out of his book. I got some out of his book.

There's people watching this podcast that will never meet you.

But we'll get something out of this interview. Yeah. That would be great. Well, it makes a great entrepreneur. You know, there's just.

I feel like it's this big boat ride you're on. And you got to keep the boat moving. And it's a battle that it's not always so great. You know, the entrepreneur thing. You know, it's very lonely, too.

You know, it can be because you're on this journey. And you're trying to survive and flourish. And people are attacking you and. And yeah. And this swamps and.

“And you just kind of keep moving forward.”

And so the great thing for me is that I got a lot of help. You know, I got a lot of people helping me. So even though my name is on the shoe. You know, I got so many great people that I work with. Yeah.

Yeah. It wasn't always like that. Well, you start. You don't have any. No, you're on the boat by yourself.

At some point. Yeah. And you're not just in the. Steve, you're not just in the boat by yourself. You're like in the boat with like this history and trauma.

Yeah. Yeah. And you're still in this boat. I mean, that's fucking selling the boat. You're still in the boat.

Still in the boat. But it was a time when you were in that boat by yourself. Still in the boat. You know, the boat's bigger now. boat is bigger and but still.

And then, you know, there's different challenges as you go along. Yeah. You know. And so what's been some of your biggest ones aside from addiction, obviously. So yeah.

Well, yeah. You know, letting go and letting smart people do stuff. And, you know, that and not freaking out. You know, I'm the kind of guy that if we had a big market of big show. And I didn't like, you know, the cookies.

I would freak out. I called a person. What the fuck is this? This tastes like medicine. You know, I was like that.

I was crazy like that. I needed to control everything. You know, but then as you go along, you realize. But you can control everything. So you learn what you can sort of control.

And so now if you go in the place and the cookies are bad. What do you do? I don't say anything anymore. But maybe I will. But inside the cookies.

You can't make a big cookie because it's such a waste of calories. Crazy when I go to a mall malls. Okay. And the elevators don't work. These guys charge so much money for these stories.

They are so successful. And they can't fix the escalator. How dare they? The escalator. The escalator.

And the escalator didn't work. That's where Garden last yesterday. It was an escalator going down to 7th Avenue. And the escalator didn't work. He can't afford to.

He pays.

Bronson 50 million a year.

He can't fix the escalator. What is that? Because they don't give a shit about the public. Is they got a product. You know, that people love.

But they're going to walk up that. The people walk up that escalator. But on the other hand. Yeah. And they used to stay at the winnow tells in Las Vegas.

And I thought to myself, this guy, this Steve Winn is not. You know, you see, amazing hotel man.

“He took care of, like, he took care of that detail.”

It is coffee. I'm telling the coffee person. Yeah. His coffee was so fucking great. And I stayed there.

I was loyal to him. You could stay anywhere in the world. He wanted to. And his room service coffee was the greatest. And because he cared about his.

So you're going to attention to detail. Really, I love that. I was going to say you're, you're a passion. Shout out to Steve Winn. You're a passion.

I just wanted to say that. I just played the win. Shout out to Steve Winn. Shout out to Steve Winn. My people don't do it.

Shout out to Steve Winn. No, I'm serious. But I'm, it's really true. You know, but I do like that because it's like, yes. I don't know where he is.

I see him on TikTok.

You always wanted to give a shout out to Steve Winn.

Because he really cared. Just billion of dude. He, I know that he cares. I want my coffee to be great. He cares about the detail.

Yes, he did. That's when I was loyal to the winner hotel. Because they've a lovely golf course as well. By the way, I've played it. I'm a golfer.

Yes, you are. I didn't know that. Yes, I've played. I just found the game above four years ago. And I'm at full.

I'm an act. This is what I'm an addict. Yes, I will golf sport. I will golf every day. Yeah.

And then do you play in Miami? I do. They tell me you want to go to the golf course. Let me know. I want to go.

Yeah, I'm going to hit you up. And I want to go with Steve Manning.

“And you should make a Steve Manning golf shoe.”

Yeah. I can play in the golf course. You know what I think we did make some golf. Really? Yeah, we did.

It was fun. But it, you know, we just, it was fun. I'm going to find this. I'm going to find one. Yeah.

I'm going to take one up and I'm going to show up a little course in my Steve Manning. Because people wear, they don't wear when I started to play golf as a child. I really started when I was 14. Yeah. And golf shoes were really cool.

Yeah. They were like tassels and two tones.

And amazing mind blowing golf shoes were mind blowing.

Yeah. If you look in the 50s, you look at the 60s that old players were beautiful shoes. And then it kind of like Nike sort of took over the business and the sort of like sneakers though. I tried to cuten it up.

I do the little flaps on top of my sneakers. I like the flip. I'm all about flat. Those are good. Yes.

Flaps are good. I'll close. I'll put on a good golf. Yeah, little golf. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yes. So you golf. I do.

I do. Like golf. So that's a good meditated. That's like meditation to me. It's like so frustrating.

I mean, it's my fucking mind. I love it.

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Right. She worked in the Aventura store. Wow, that was, that's one of my favorite stories. In my last year college, I found my seniors as their class. And I hate it.

I hated being in school. I was like, in a bad place.

And Steve Madden was my first week.

So I'm like, but I'm sort of the worst case of that. And it was one of the best times I've ever had. Whoever was my manager. Yeah. Yeah.

Really nice. Uh-huh. So I went to meet and he also had the best employee works because it was 50% off. Wow. That's a lot.

That's a lot. He said it on the couch and that. He said. Now what? We're entering the busiest times.

We're through Christmas. Right. Black Friday. Black Friday. Yes.

And you visit. And I was like, what? Steve. Yeah. I do that.

And I was working cashier. And you said something to me. You were like, you've got the best season in the house. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I got to upgrade my material. That was good. But I did. I love going to have insurance during the holidays.

I love shopping around and seeing the action. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You like, tell them for yourself.

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Okay. Well, I used to enjoy a loved going to the adventure of mall. Great customers, all different walks of life, very, very cross-sectiony. Yeah. And it was great.

You're like a, you like to, you probably study the customer to some extent. Well, I do. I do. There's all types. And, uh, adventure is great because we've so many different.

We scale out of satin Americans, Canadians. And you test shoes like to. We do. We test a lot of shoes in adventure. How do you test a shoe?

So what you do is, you know, you make a short run. Little sample in a sample room and you. So for instance, an example of that would be you would make a sandal. And you put it in a Ventura because it's freezing in New York and no one's buying a sandal. So you go down there and you get a little feedback on it.

So if you, you know, they start picking up the sandal. You know that you might have something. This is a good, this is a good one here. Yes. Test and react.

We still do it. I love that you love this still. I do.

“That's why favorite part of the business.”

I love that. Testing shoes and seeing what they mean. And love it. All these years later. Love it.

I still do. It's such a, it's such a, a gas, you know, it's really. I'm sure people come to you for advice a little time about starting business.

Really? What is the number one thing people ask for money for? I mean, you know. I don't think I'm going to start up some things like that. Yeah.

Usually, I get 15 or 20 before one o'clock. But what about people who are really starting? Do you have like advice that you get? So I, you know, what I'm.

Chad yelled at me last time because I always say the same thing.

It's okay. Chad, my colleague over there.

“I believe that you have to learn the business.”

You know, a lot of people want to go into business. And I think it's helpful to know the business. For example, I think that if you were. You know, wanted to learn the restaurant business. It would be helpful to maybe work in a restaurant.

Maybe be a waitress or a waiter, you know. And if your goal, like you've said, I wouldn't open my own joint one day. Or be a bartender. Like I think those are just things that come to mind. Yes.

Learn your business. I think learning the business. Yes. And then going into business. Yes.

Now, for me, that happened sort of organically. I was sweeping a basement when I was 16. By 17, I was up on the floor selling shoes. I mean, I learned all these things. It wasn't a plan.

You know, it was just the way it went down. But by the time, you know, I was ready to go on my own. I knew a lot of stuff for it. It was good. Yeah.

That sort of college was sort of the school shoes. Yes.

People never want to do that.

They want to go right. So, yes, they do. They seem to right now this generation. Yes. You know, they see.

They see the, you know, on social media. You see all the success. You want to do it right away. Yeah. I certainly don't blame them.

Yeah. But I am telling you my advice. And that's my role, learn the ropes man and whatever. You know, or the other thing is to find a mentor. You know, like if you got lucky to work in a company,

let's say it was a bigger company. And you had somebody that you looked up to that you worked for. And you would be willing to do anything as an assistant or whatever the title was. You know, that is like just gold gold. Yeah.

You get a mentor and you, and you learn and you, you know, and that's those are the things that I would suggest that there's. And then the other stuff. Whether you have talent or not is another story. That's story for another day. It is a story for another day.

Anyway, I know we're wrapping up and I probably shouldn't ask this is more like a beginner.

“I should have asked at the beginning, but is there something about a shoe?”

Like, what is the love of a shoe? It is a great question. It is, it's just what I do. What was that come from? I, you know, I worked in a shoe store as a teenage.

I know, but how did you even wind up there? It was. God. I don't know where it is in the universe. I walked into a shoe store and got a job because you needed money.

I needed a job. I was a kid and we, we went to work. That's what you did. And in those days, you know, he started got a job. What was the shoe store like?

It was a shoe store in the regular home town. Neighborhood shoe store called Toulouse. Toulouse. It was called Toulouse. And the owner of the store was sort of an ex hippie.

He was a, I was again, another lucky break. This guy was this like great artist character. And he owned the store and he was like this like ex hippie. You know, he looked like that rock star and he had the store. And I wanted to be like this guy.

And so that was it. So you to shoe shoes. And so that was it. That's the thing you get a mentor. You know, yeah.

So what a break that is. Yeah. If you can find somebody. Yeah. I'm sure you've done that for a lot of people.

I don't know about all that. But no, true. Look at even Britain. Young Brittany. Young Brittany was one.

I'm sure there are many, many. All right.

“And finally, what is the, what does the future look like?”

What is the next 5 10 years? So the future. What does the future look like? What are your goals now? Like, what do you do?

Do you have any more goals? So you just kind of like get a good bed, get a good night's sleep. Get a good night's sleep. Get a good night's sleep. Be good dad.

Be good guy. Uh, no. I like to. Like you're like us. I like working.

Let's talk about your legacy. You know, come on. I don't know.

Here's what I want to do.

I want to make great shoes. I still do. Really. I want to make sure that you guys all buy. That's what I got.

We buy him on the time. So you did that. Right. So no, no. But the thing is that before this, you know, you have a thing.

You know, or maybe I should make a wreck.

You know, like, if you go into music. Yeah, right? Because I like music. Yeah. Right.

But just because you're like music. Because I mean, you can go into the fucking music places. That's dope. I did that. Yeah.

“So that I think a lot of people that make a lot of money.”

Do that stuff. And so you learn that, you know, I started about staying in your lane. I don't give a shit about that. I mean, there are many people that do a lot of different things.

But for me, you know, this is what I do. You're thing. I do what I do. And you know, I'm cool with it. And I'm happy to like, you know, listen to music.

Not own it. Right. You're going to be a professional golfer anytime down. Yeah, I was better at golf. Yeah.

But even then, I don't want to be a professional.

No. No. But you'll see them down there. Yeah. But then you find that thing.

Your shoe. The shoe. Then it becomes just that. Yeah. It is my thing.

What about a real life, though, as a human being? Like, do you have anything that you're chasing for yourself? A lot. It's getting late, honey. Yeah.

It's kind of late. I'm getting up there. You know, I'm still in good shape. I'm still, you know, doing my thing. And it's getting late.

It's getting late, you know. But I guess the big thing is, you know, being trying to raise kids, being good dad. That's a good thing. That's a really good thing now. The thing is, though, there is no secret to that.

You know, everybody can say whatever. Like, my father, you know, the stuff that I get from my dad. My dad died a long time ago. And I learned it. I get it today.

“Like, now, in my last 20 years, oh, that's what my dad was talking about.”

So as a kid, I was an idiot. I didn't know. Yeah. That's probably healing. What's he saying?

No. The fuck he's talking. But now. Yeah. I said, oh, shit.

That's what my dad meant. Yes. So that's the gift sometimes. Did you? Did you think your parents would think if they saw what the world sees now,

those Steve men and science everywhere? I don't know. They'd be surprised. Maybe. Think so.

Yeah. But the things you get don't often happen at that moment. And you'd know in the sense of their parents when they were 17 or 22. Yeah. You think you know everything and you just want to have fun and get high and whatever it is,

you know? Yeah. But they'd probably be proud. They would be proud. And I am so grateful for my parents now.

The things that I now that I'm able to use the stuff they gave me. Yeah. Yeah. You've done pretty well. I don't know about all that.

But we did we try. You did. Yeah. And you got to make sure you have a lot of people have a testament to what they've learned from you. And I'm hoping hopefully today your story inspired.

Good to be on the show. Thank you. Yes. Thank you for today.

“Is there any segment things that we need to do before we go?”

Thank you so much for your time today. You're a fucking rock star. Do you have a great way to do that? Do you have a great way to do that? Do you have a good time for you?

Do you have a good time for you? I do have a good time for you. I do have a good time for you. I do have a lot of shoes. Yes, I do.

I'm like, why do you hate those? You know, but I'm like, I like a lot of shoes that I'm making. I'm really into, yeah, those. You know, when you show up for August and Steve Madison, you choose the trash.

You know what I like. I love the look. Let me tell you the look. I really love it. I'm excited about it for a while.

Okay. And just now it's bearing fruit is the look that girls are wearing dresses with boots. Mm. Or skirts with the with the tall shaft boot. Mm.

And the leg. You know, so they wear a short skirt with the boot. Or with a western boot. You know, cowboy boots with the short skirt is so funky. I just love that look.

Yeah. You know, I do. It's such a great leg. You know, I have a favorite shoe of all time. Well, I mean, you know, I've made had so many shoes.

There's so many great shoes. That's like a annoying ass question. People ask me all the time. What's your favorite interview of all time? I'm like, it's impossible to say that.

Yeah. It's probably the same thing when somebody says, what is your favorite shoe? You know, if had a lot of favorite shoes. I've had so many great shoes. I'm the first time I made a sneaker was so exciting.

A platform sneaker. First time I made a slipper. I made this big slipper change the slipper business. And everybody went on and made these shoes.

And I never made another slipper again.

I was called at the fuzzy. And it was great. And, but we made a lot of great boots. Mm. And now we're making like these, you know, this look,

which is very sort of very sort of collegey kind of these short skirts with the boots. Mm. That's what you're into right now.

Yeah.

“And it's kind of like almost like they wear it in the spring.”

Yeah. You know, mostly.

It's very sort of festively, I think.

Yeah. I would call it. I love how much you love it. I do. I do.

I've never been to. What's the big thing? Coachella. Coachella. Yeah.

Yeah. But the fact that you still love design that much is really. It's too hot. This is too hot. No, they really are.

I get so fucking hot. I went to coach. I went to.

We learned from Steve management.

He's a fucking stickler for detail.

“He will find what the fuck is wrong with something.”

But he will also find the beauty of something. Yeah. All right. Steve, I didn't ever like it. Yes.

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Starting on February 24th on the iHeart Radio app. Apple podcast. Or wherever you listen to your podcast. Hey, this is Wells Adams with by order of the Faithful podcast. Alongside my fellow Faithfuls and co-hosts.

Tamara Judge and Dolores Catania. The three of us have been watching the season of the traders. And we've been inside that castle. So we have insight unlike many others. This season of the traders may be the best we've ever seen.

Listen to by order of the Faithfuls on the iHeart Radio app. Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. When segregation was a law. One mysterious black club owner, Charlie Fitzgerald, had his own rules. Segregation in the day integration at night.

It was like sippin' on another world. Was he a businessman, a criminal? A hero? Charlie wasn't an example. A poem.

They had to crush him. Charlie's place. From Atlas substura and visit Mertal Beach. Listen to Charlie's place on the iHeart Radio app. Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

This is writer Strong. And I have a new podcast called The Red Weather. In 1995, my neighbor Anna Trainer disappeared from the communities. Nature, trees, and praying. And drugs?

No, I'm not at your. And back then, I lied to everybody. They have had this case for 30 years. I'm going back to my hometown to uncover the truth. Listen to the Red Weather on the iHeart Radio app.

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