Gina Gershon on Showgirls, Bound and Hollywood Tales

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Gina Gershahn, you know her from her so many movies you've done. Always sexy. You have broken boundaries with being one of the first. And second, you've had a few bisexual characters in the juicyest movies. And this being juicy scoop when I saw that you had a new book coming out.

Your memoir, it's funny, funny interesting juicy stories. Gina Gershahn's book is called Alpha Pussy. Great title. Thanks for coming on the show. Thank you.

Thanks for having me. And this is not your first book. That's my third book. Yes.

“How have you enjoyed the writing process compared to acting and doing everything else you do?”

I mean, this was a different sort of. I have all different you know. Listen, after like writing this and now like selling this, I kind of missed my day job. I think acting so much easier. But you know, it's a different.

This was an interesting process for me.

It was a different than the last book I did, which I never really meant to write a book.

And then I did a one woman show. And then I got a book deal. I was like, oh, like, I'll just write out what I've already performed. And then the other book was a book with my brother who already had the story. And I kept saying, oh, I want to make this into a movie.

He's like, I don't want to write it. You write it. And so I was like, no, you write it. And so I, I didn't, it wasn't my intention to do that. I just did it because I wanted to get it made into something else.

And this one was the first one I did that I'm like, All right, I'm going to write this book, which was, it was interesting, you know? Yeah, I liked what, um, and just like getting excited for this interview. I like how you were saying, you know, I was, it was COVID.

And my agent was like, these stories are so funny.

“Why don't you do, why don't you write a book on these like fun stories?”

And you were like, well, you know, I probably should before I forget them. And I thought that was like great. And I tell people that all the time, like write your stories or tell your stories. Or, you know, make sure that you have these memories. I mean, I think as an exercise as we get older, you forget everything.

I've already forgotten what I've written in the book. And in a way, when you write it down, then it's like deleting something in your mind. Then you could like make space for, you know, other stories. Yeah. Because I start reading them. I'm like, oh, yeah, that was really funny. I, you know, no, he wanted me to tell stories.

He was really, he was my agent as well. And I, we had happened, you know, been out one night.

I told him some stories that I never really talk about about showgirls.

And the next day, he was like, you really need to write this book. And I said, I really don't want to write that book. And then COVID happened. And then he said, just start sending me stories. Just because I'm like, we're all stuck here. Yeah.

And so then I just started writing him little essays about showgirls and about prints and about band. And just anything that was coming up. And he was like, oh, my God, I love these so much. I'm going to take this out and sell it as your book. And I'm like, what, what is it?

“And then I just, I didn't want to do that book.”

I said, you know, I'm not. I mean, believe me, I could write the tell all of tellalls. And, but I'm a very discreet person. And some of the stories, I'm like, I don't know if I want to spend all those time doing that. I said, there's something there, but I don't know what.

And then little by little through a series of events with, you know, my mom and she wasn't doing well.

And I was dealing with therapy and, you know,

and just also these valley things started coming up. Story started emerging in my mind. That I started noticing a theme. And then once I thought about the alpha pussy story, which really was based on my cat and training him.

But then it, you know, when I got showgirls, people were kind of saying, oh, showgirls, and making me feel uncomfortable. And when I utilized my technique that I did on my male cats to become the alpha pussy and, you know,

not be a victim to them. I tried it on, you know, the, the guys who are, you know, making me feel strange talking about it. And, and I realized, oh, my god, if I use this technique, it actually works.

I become the alpha pussy. They back away. And it's really about just having agency and standing around to feet and, you know, not letting anyone push you around, bullies or anyone, you know, in life or in your career.

Well, we got to email about having you on the show. My husband who works with me was like, all excited. He's like, she's from Woodland Hills. So I was born and raised in Woodland Hills. No way.

And I talked about Woodland Hills my whole life. And my book talked a lot about that. Area area of town and I'm just moved last year. But I had a house there for 19 years. I bought it next door to the, to the house I grew up with my parents.

It was on land or drive just south of Wells. Kind of near Westchester County. The gate community and Serenia park. Oh, that was a different. So I was off, you know, if you had Wells.

And then go Dale. Right. Okay. So if you went a little further, yeah.

Yeah. Towards to Soto. Okay. Before you get to Soto and you're on Wells and you're going up a hill. You would go to the left and there's the flat area of homes that are like.

Kind of ranchy homes and the technical name is visited arrow. But they're these flat homes and they're. So it's like, I mean, flat meaning flat. So you're in the fancy area. A little bit and then they built nice.

And then I remember Westchester County got built. But before that, it was called the NBC lot. And they would film little house on the prairie there. And that's next to Serenia park. I was near right off of Ventura Boulevard.

Yeah.

Basically, you know, between Ventura and Wells.

Right. And that long strip. Like Oakdale went from Wells to the church. All the orange trees. It was all orange grows.

It was all pomegranate trees. Yeah.

“You know, that's what the valley used to be.”

Yeah. I mean, across the street from my house was a vacant lot. That was like the garden of Eden. It was like plum trees, fig trees. You know, everything.

I had my fig tree was my fort, which I talk about in one of those stories. How my fort was infiltrated. But yeah, it was a different time. I mean, I went. I went to Parkman, junior high.

And when I went there the other day, I was doing something. So I'm going to drive by and see what it's like. And it's not there. It's I couldn't find it. And in fact, I'm driving around Choc Hill, which, you know, Ventura that.

Yeah. Everything. I was like, I might as well have been in Ohio or somewhere. I had no idea where I was.

I love that you that you talked about.

I talked about it. And then it was like so interesting. Because I was like, oh, it's like to me growing up in the valley. It was very interesting because, you know, I grew up thinking it was great. Right.

Being really grateful. My parents are realtors. I went to St. Melson, Louisville. My brothers went to Tath. I was like, we have a pool.

Life is great. Yeah. Not until like went to USC.

“Did I realize it was like a negative connotation to snobby L.A. people?”

Like I didn't. I was like, what? What? Like, how do you handle it there, isn't it like 10 degrees hotter? And I was like, um, I don't know.

We have air conditioning, like, what's the deal? And then when I, um, worked on a TV show, I just got shit every day for living in the valley. And, and now all those people are dying to buy a house here because, you know, everything's so expensive. But it is really kind of come back. Yeah.

Yeah.

I was like, I want to live in the valley.

It's kind of shit now. Is that really? Yeah. I kind of had a chip on my shoulder a little bit about like the pride. I was like, a week, a 180 to like die and like, why is everyone such a dick about it?

You know, like, but they were times where I was like, oh, yeah. I wonder if I had ever moved like in your around people that are all making movies happen. And they're, you know, like, they're at the restaurant that you're at. I'm like, that probably would have maybe been better for me. Maybe I would have, I don't know.

You know what I mean? Because my neighbors, I, I didn't even know. I mean, you, you don't know. How are you supposed to know that growing? Yeah.

I mean, I, but I do believe that it's, you know, they say nature or nurture, you know. I think that when I was growing up in the valley. And of course, I don't, I don't know anything other than that. Yeah. And, you know, I, it was just a very precarious time because, you know,

my best friends brothers were like the weed dealers in the valley. No, my brother was the weed dealer. Really?

“Do you remember a man named Jim McDonald?”

No. Oh. But I think we were in difference. I, he, he, he's older than I am. Oh, so maybe he didn't have the territory.

Yeah. He was the taffed one. And he would be. Because when I was like, he would barely in Parkman, Ginger, I barely out of elementary school.

Okay. He was doing it more in high school. He would have been close to closer to your age. This is when you're not supposed to. You have to be about his name.

Exactly. No, he died. It's okay. Okay. He's dead.

That's great. He dead. I, I brag about it. It was the, the one and only job he had. It was no way talking about like people's doing.

I changed names in here. Just so. Oh, you know.

Oh, you know what I want to say about changing names that I was always like.

Yeah. Um, thanks publisher. That would have been nice. I'm, I tell people. So all the time that they're going to write any memoir.

I'm like, from the moment you do the outline of the story. Change the names. Because I wrote the whole thing with the names. Right. And not until the very end.

They're like, change the names. But also change the city where this guy was. If he was an eye doctor, make him a podiatrist. And I'm like, really. I'm like, I would have done that.

But now, then I'd be doing a book signing and someone'd be like, Oh, the Craig story. I don't like the way. Who's Craig? Because I changed it at like the ninth hour.

Yeah. And, um. No, I do joke about how my brother. I didn't know it. But he was a weed dealer and/or more than that.

And they, they had added on a room. So you could go through the garage. And then he had like a separate door to like a hallway into his room. And my parents were busy all day long trying to sell houses. And I just thought my brother was the most popular guy on earth.

Because people stopped by all the time. They didn't stay very long. But they stopped by and they left. And then he was like, here help me grow this. And I didn't, I'm like, what are we making?

It's like tomatoes. And we were like, growing it in the back. And my parents had no clue. Yeah, that's so fun. Yeah.

But it's a time like there was. You know, I wasn't surrounded by other creative people. You know, I mean, to get, you know, I think my brothers, this were older. So they didn't want anything to do with me. You know, I had the weed dealers over here.

And then I'm like, I'm going to go to the bowling alley. Oh, I could sell, you know, pinball games. I liked movies. So I learned how to sneak into the Corbin Bowl or the theater. Right.

There was Corbin Bowl. And then there was the Tarzan and movie theater.

“That's what you're talking about on the turf.”

Right. Right next to each other. Yeah. Right. I changed it for the cover.

Because I didn't look right. Yeah. I had to make it a little bit whatever. But yeah. But then one day, I love it.

I snuck into that movie theater. To watch Billy Jack for the Zillionth time. And I heard all these sounds. I'm like, I don't remember. I don't recall those sounds.

And Billy Jack, you know, and I looked up. And there's a smattering of men in the audience with rain coats on. I'm like, rain coats. It's not raining. I mean, I was clueless.

I'm like, why are they wearing rain coats?

“And I looked up at the, you know, the screen and I'm like, what?”

Like, wait, what? What's she doing with that snake? I mean, it was just, you know, and I was like, oh, my God. And so it's just, I, is it crazy that people would go into like a regular movie theater and sit next to other people to watch porn.

That must be the most insane concept to like, Gen Z today. Like, that is so weird when you think about it. You're like, why even like, bite and get it free on your legs. You know, and then you would be like, showing your face and going in there or going into a sex shop or like giving your ticket to the person selling the movie, the dirty movie.

Yeah. Like, you know, you know, you know, listen, that was the valley at a time. It was like, strewn with people like that. You know, it wasn't a time of helicopter parents. So it was like, be home before dinner.

You know, at six or seven years old, like, oh, I'll come. You know, my old to my house. And like, that's fine. And you know, listen, predators and toxic and gross people have been around forever forever. You know, but then all of a sudden I realized, wow, they're around a lot.

And, you know, obviously they're, they're here now more than ever. Yes. So, you know, but growing up, I didn't, I just started getting depressed because I think I,

“I was artistically inclined, but I didn't have anyone to play with.”

And then at some point, I started doing theater, but no one really took it seriously. And at some, at another point, I was like, I just need to get out of here. My parents were like, we're pulling you out. Because all my friends were either getting busted for drugs or it just wasn't a, it wasn't a creative, healthy environment.

And I was really going down, you know, I didn't have friends I wanted to hang out with anymore. And so, with them, when they moved me, was either a girl school or Beverly. And I'm like, I'm not going to a girl's school. Yeah, you would have probably gone to Louisville. That's right.

Birmingham. No. Corvallis. No, what was the other two? Buckley.

Oh, that's not gross. And West Lake was West Lake. The girls. Yes, West Lake before Harvard, West Lake became Harvard, West Lake. Harvard was all boys and West Lake was all gross.

I think it was West Lake or Buckley. And West Lake was non-religious. So it was West Lake. That's where they were going to stay.

“And I just said, I don't want to do that.”

They said, or you can get into Beverly. Because my brother and sister, they said, you know,

basically moved to the slums of Beverly Hills.

Because my dad was traveling a lot. So he was close to the airport. And my mom was an interior decorator. And she had clients. Oh, that was hard idea.

So they're like, you know what? This is a great school. I had an uncle and cousins there. They were like, we're moving you over here. And I'm like Beverly Hills.

Oh, my god. I just want to get a cow basses for the beach. I was like a surfer chick. But then secretly, I was happy. I was leaving.

And once I got to that school, I was like, well, there's like a theater. There's a little theater. There's pizza. There's chocolate doughnuts.

They had a banana. They had that tearing up. They had that pool. They had a pool. I could take surfing for pee.

I was like, this school is rad. I love this school. Yeah. So, you know. But more importantly, I kind of found my people there.

You know, like, I found their dancers and actors and singers. And to this day, I'm, I'm friendly with it. My gang of girls there. That's so awesome. Yeah.

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And something clicked. Once I started really getting into it, I want to be a serious actress. I really thought this is what I want to do, and she told me about the program, and I thought, "Wow, I have to go." I want to be professional. You go between the summer between 11th and 12th grade. The only problem was I wasn't old enough. But, you know, like everything else, I just lied about my age, I had a fake ID, and I auditioned, I got in,

and then I had to talk to my parents in the letting me go, which, you know, eventually they did, but then I had to kind of lie to them about, "Oh, yes, I'm living with this woman. She's 28. They met her. She worked at, and the costume department at the American Conservatory Theatre. So I was with a grown-up, but as soon as I walked in, my parents, you know, my mom was like, "I don't think this is the kind of idea my dad really trusts to me," said, "You know, she'll be okay."

And then, so the woman turned to me, she said, "Guess what? I just got a gig and Hawaii. I'm not here. All summer. I'm like, "Great." Don't say anything to my parents. You know, and so I was living there on my own. So you're living this pretty nice, normal, safe apartment, though. Yeah. Buy yourself at how old? I just turned 16, and I lied, and said I was 17.

And you don't know the city, because you just got there. Right.

That's amazing. It was fun. That's like, that is probably, and so all day long,

you would take these classes and stuff, and all day long, I just was at school the whole time,

“and then I met this girl, I can't remember how I met her through a friend of ours,”

and her parents were gone, and she was like a real socialite fun party girl, and she lived in Pacific Heights, which was the fancy area. And so she's like, "Just move in with me." She's like, "No one's here." And so we lived in her place, so I would go to school all day, and then night she's like, "Let's go to this club. Let's go to a party." Such a fun girl. So I was kind of like living as like totally fun life, and it was kind of nice to have

there, like have a roommate, a friend, you know? Yeah. It's been just being alone. Maybe I would have gotten a little weird at that stage, but it was fun. It was a great training, and it made me realize, like, "Oh, I want to take this seriously, and I want to keep continuing." And the teachers there were very supportive, and they all just kept saying, "Go to college. Keep studying." You know, this is really important that you learn other things, and I felt that way too. So it was good.

And so what was like your first, like, I'm in a real thing that people couldn't watch your see,

and I'm like, "On my way, I have representation." Like, this could be like a real career. Well, when I was in high school, this woman Tina Landau, this woman issues my friend at the time, she wrote a play, faces on the wall, that we ended up taking to the coronette theater.

“So that was my first professional show, and I remember, I got, you know, all these different”

people who were saying, "We want to be your agent." We were going to represent you, and yet, but at Bosa and we're like, "We're going to put you on a TV show right now." And I kept thinking, "I want to go to college. I don't want to be like a dumbass actress." You know, to me, just because

like, studied other things. And I just knew, I hadn't grown into my body yet, because even though I was 15, I looked like I was 24, you know, I, I just, I wasn't there yet,

“but when I would watch like Jessica Lang and Francis, I'm like, "That's what I want to do,”

but I don't know how to do that yet." And I know I need to be older, you know, and so I ended up going with an agent, I'm like, "I want to go to college." She's like, "Great, go to college." And so, I felt, I felt reassured, I guess, when I did the play, although I didn't doubt it, you know,

I always thought, "Oh, this is what I'm going to do." Like, you know, some things you know,

and then I went to school and as soon as I graduated, he's like, "Great, come out here, we're going to put you to work." And where did you go? How was college for you? Where did you go? I loved it. Well, I went to Emerson for the first year just because I thought, I think my parents were like, "You're not going to New York City right out of here." You don't. So, the Boston was a very good introduction to the East, although, I mean, I don't regret a lot of things, but I kind of wish at Emerson,

I had taken more of the creative writing programs. I think it was stronger in that suit and the acting, it was okay, but I wasn't like blown away, but you know, what I was, and I got into a professional show there, so I had to stay. But then I went to NYU, and I kind of looked at the classes, and then I just secretly auditioned again, and then I got in. They said, "You know what? You can come into the second year, because you seem a little advanced." I said, "Great."

I said, "Mom, Dad, guess what? I want to go to NYU now." And you know, they were always very, very respectful and, you know, my dad's like, "Well, we'll do it, but you know,

“you have to make your own money to do all the other stuff and we'll take care of this." I said,”

"Fair." So yeah. That's amazing. I mean, I always remember the thing that I thought was so memorable,

and like, unique about you. This is, I love the UG, this video, the word of the street, the 90s are bad. It's a trending thing. I have this girl who's so great, helping me do social media, because I've never done that. Yeah. You know, I thought for the book, I'll do it for like a month, and she puts, she's like, "Okay, so we're going to do this." And I'm like, "Why?" She said, "Because it's trending." And I'm like, "Okay, but then she sends it to me." I'm like,

"Oh, that's kind of cute." And sometimes I'm like, "I don't like this song." She goes, "That's the song." I'm like, "So I always think the thing that made you to me so memorable was that you had this very sexy mouth." And it was so unique. And I tell people when I talk about stars from our era, I'm like, "Yeah, they would pop because you couldn't buy lips. You couldn't buy cheap bones." Yeah. You couldn't, like, so if you had a unique kind of sexy the way you're like,

you had these full lips that kind of curved, I was like, "That is just, nobody else has." I mean, didn't people, and as time went on when people started getting all that stuff, they're like, "So who did your lips?" I'm like, "What?" And like, my mom, like, I didn't even understand the question. I'm like, "What do you mean, like, why just put this makeup on?" And I was like, "Oh, no, who did them?" Yes. I said, "They're mine."

Look at my mother had the same mouth. My sister has the same mouth. My niece has the same mouth. Like, the girls on lips. My mom, when she was bored and was gone, so they came out to LA the Valley. And my mom said, like, "What are the first couple weeks that she was here?" She was at a grocery store and someone came up to her and was, like, "Who did your nose?" And she's like, "What?" Because she had a really good nose,

better than mine. She had like a perfect, like, models, and it's true. It's like now everyone just assumes that, like, because it's thick, you can do it. Yeah. But, um, yeah, I just think being

brunette and your brown eyes, like, even that was like a unique look. It seems like like we always were

just at that time it was all about, you know, blonde hair, blue eyes, and just even brunette was like, something we didn't actually see. I talk about that in my book, you know, I talk,

“I can't remember which chapter it. But, you know, when I came back here, oh yeah, the first play,”

so I came back from college and I auditioned and I got, uh, my first equity job here, because they were, remember when Los Angeles Theatre Company opened up, um, so it was a new theater and I was going to be playing with fabulous people. You know, it was at Harris at the time that turned into Bill, Bill Pullman and Adam Arkin and, um, I mean, it was such a great cast, uh, and I was cast as Sharina, the Afghani girl, like who goes up against the Russian. It was about the Russian invasion

Afghanistan, and it was an incredible part. I couldn't believe I got it. I had a whole retinue of, you know, Greek chorus of all my Afghani girls and, you know, it was an incredible part, so I got to speak with, you know, a little farcee. I got to look very, you know, Middle Eastern Afghani, you know,

could not get an audition to save my life. They're like, she's fabulous, but we need an American girl. You were two convincing. And I was like, dude, I'm like, from the valley. I'm like, you know, what do you mean? I like can't be more American, but I was also too exotic. You know, I was dark, hair, dark eyes. They was very much the blonde hair, but they would say that they would call just a Brunette exotic. I, this guy, uh, I had a book signing in New York, you know, about a week ago,

I'd like this big talk and this, and I, he read the book and he said, I am one of your casting, I was one of the people who got, you're, you know, to cast you in something and he had my,

one of my original headshots. So amazing. On the back, you know, where it has your listed,

you know, circus training, you write out anything you can't sound really cool. Um, and on the top, he said, two ethnic, very good, but two ethnic. He said he goes, you're right, like you were two ethnic for things. And of course, so I made a career of playing Italians or, you know, Colombians, Afghanis. I mean, anything, but like, and I see a skull from the valley, right? Or, or a surfer girl.

“Or, I always thought you were Italian. Yeah. That's why I'm not. Yeah. And, and of course,”

maybe as Gina too is traditionally an Italian. And I look very Italian, but, I mean, I played absolutely anything. That's so great. But, of course, now they're like, oh, no, you're, you're, you're not ethnic enough. Right. You have to really be that. So it was such a crazy time and most of my parts, you know, I was like, I like the guy's part better. They're like, okay, so I end up playing the guy's part or here's this, which things that you're not, you know, it's not politically correct to

do. And it's great that so many people are included, but I'm sorry, you know, I went of had a career, had I not been able to play, you know, and bound the gay girl. Right. Really gay. Oh, we better not

play that. I found, like, that's amazing because, um, no, I agree with that too. I'm like, it is

called acting for a reason. If we all just played ourselves, then that's a reality person. I'm very, you know, I mean, I get the lines and everything, you know, yeah, if we can find someone,

“but also like that's what makes people get an Oscar's because they're like, I can't believe”

this person transform themselves into this person. That's called acting. And I'm a big believer. I just, listen, I think if it's a super historical situation where, you know, everyone has to be, you know, Japanese, right? It's a disorder story. Then yeah, you stick with that. But if it's a story, and, you know, here's a brutal blah, blah, blah person, some guy who has this sort of energy, I, I just feel like if a girl comes in and has that energy, I don't care who's like it, exactly.

I don't care your race. I don't care your ethnicity. I don't care your, your gender, but if you, like embody the essence of what that character needs, that to me is what I would be looking for. So, yeah, exactly. You know, I don't know. I don't, it's also limiting when like, well, how old are you? It's like, what does it matter? I mean, especially today, you know what I mean? Because you can, with CGI and all the AI stuff like that. I could play, I don't know if I'd go

under three months old because two months is a tricky age. But like I could go to 2000 years old. I could go to easily eight. Like you could do anything. Right. That to me, and it's a essence of what you're doing. So, yeah, I, I really like that part of acting, you know. So, well, I remember this movie because it really was kind of groundbreaking, and it's bound, and it was you were a lesbian. You were working on this house. You fall in love with Jennifer Tilley, who is, you know, so fun on this show.

We all watch Real House has a Beverly Hills. So, she's super funny on it and just, you know, and was in a great actress, perfect for this role because she plays a mom, a awful mom, guys, you know, abused girlfriend. So, of course, she's like, is happy to have like a sexy lesbian girlfriend.

“And so, tell me a little bit about that. Was that the first time you played a gay character?”

Well, I was, I was just coming off of showgirls, where I was, I guess, showgirls, showgirls came before this. Oh, yeah. Oh, I thought this was before showgirls. Kind of around the same time. Okay. Playing showgirls, that wasn't, you know, I was, I don't know, in color by sexual. I call her whatever sexual power sexual. I think that character would have slept and done anyone to achieve her ambitions, you know. But I kiss guys and that,

I kiss girls and that who knows what she does. But I think in bound was my first, she was my first

real lesbian who, you know, happened to be an ex-conven who happened to be getting out of prison.

and, you know, it was a very beautiful lesbian love story where I got to be the hero. You know,

“it's usually how I played the typical guy's part. And in fact, Warner Brothers, I think,”

was Warner Brothers said to the, what you'll see is we'll give you a lot more money, just make quirky a guy. It's a typical, new R, blah, blah, blah. And they're like, no, she's staying a woman. Right, the new, the new R, like, the girl gets her lover to take care of her awful husband. That type of person. Yeah, the new R woman who's kind of shady. She probably has the secret idea. She wants to offer mafia boyfriend. Right. Usually, price cruiser over the hero. Yeah,

at some point, or maybe not, you know, the end up together. But structurally, it really fit that except quirky that the guy, the hero happened to be a woman. Yeah. So I was like, well, I want to play that. That sounds cool. And how was it? Like, when did you already have the part before you ever met Jennifer, or did you have chemistry tests and stuff? No. I think when I, when I first started talking

“to the watch house, because it's about the part, I wasn't, I think they weren't sure, and I wasn't”

sure, like, as I might be quirky, or might be violet, because, I mean, typically, violet was an easier part to put me in, because, you know, just, especially coming off of showgirls, although no one had seen that yet, because we had just finished rapping. But I was like, guys, and they were guys in. I was like, I want to play quirky. I want to cut my hair off, cut my nails off. Not where makeup, you know, quote unquote, no makeup, but that no makeup look. I said, this is

a exciting part. I never get to play this. And so when we finally decided me on quirky, I think they

had Jennifer in mind, and I said, well, we have to meet, you know, just because I was nervous about who I was going to be playing with, you know, since coming off of showgirls, I was a little bit just like, oh my god, I, you know, the work environment wasn't great for me. And so as soon as I met Jennifer, I think we went up to Vegas. Gosh, I can't remember now. We went somewhere to meet her, and as soon as we started talking, and she's like, oh, you know, she talked to me. I mean,

she's like, oh, you know, I like those kids. She talks and talks and talks and talks and talks. She gets up and walks around. I'm like, oh my god, she's going to make my job so easy. She's so entertaining, and I could just watch her. And she just, like, she's so charming and funny. And I just adored her right away. And I'm like, oh my god, I love her. So, you know, yeah, it was a pretty, it's a great movie. It was so good. So, wait, I want, obviously I have a lot of questions about showgirls. I saw

“the minute it came out. I was thoroughly entertained. I would do remember that they were like,”

this is the worst movie that ever lived. It wasn't. But, but like in the previews and stuff, it looked to me like, I was so excited. I was going to meet you. Yeah, I love stories about Las Vegas. I like the genre of it. I love it of like where it's like Hollywood, but everything is quicker and faster and satter and more dangerous than trying to make it in Hollywood. So, the backdrop of it, everything was great. But then there were some scenes that, you know, got people to go,

is this crazy? But I, I don't know how to say this because you're sitting across the river. But I really liked your character. I like that you were the showgirl that had, you know, been around a minute. And she was the new girl. And it was like, is she a bitch or is she trying to help her? Like, I thought, what, so tell me, let's talk a little bit about it. Like, what were you thinking when you got the part? Like, what was your feeling? I mean, I talked a lot about it in the book,

just because, you know, after 30 years, which is now 30 years, people were like, this is the worst movie. There's, same, there were people cannot wait to talk about showgirls. Like, it's just like the movie that just keeps on giving. You know, I was excited when I got it. It was Paul there, who have been and who I'd been a huge fan of from his Dutch films. You know, I was really into spedters and, you know, soldier of orange and all that. And they just done a basic instinct,

you know, best of house. Yeah. And when I read it, you know, I've always been a big fan

of all about Eve, one of my favorite movies ever. And I will always like, oh, I'm the Eve character and I've been like, wait a second. Can I actually be the Margo character in this? You know, and I felt that I was kind of in between, you know, I was, I wasn't even think about the all about Eve element of this. But that was for just to for people that don't know, all about Eve was a great movie where there was it was a, she was a big theater actress as an old movie and her understudy

was at her assistant. No, Betty Davis is a big huge diva star. She's fabulous. She has her husband,

and she just wants to watch her and be her understudy because she wants to be an actress too, but she's, is in love with Margo, who's larger than lives, super diva. And then of course, little Eve, conniving Eve, which we don't realize until later, little by little, you know,

“doesn't push Margo down the stairs, but she plots it. So then she becomes the big star, right?”

It's a fabulous movie if you haven't seen it. And she doesn't know what her husband right? And then she ends up stealing the husband. And you know, it is a story that is as old as old as time. It really is as old as time. It still happens today. I think people can relate to it. Whatever, whether it's a yes, you're using your mentoring someone or it's a sister or whatever, you're like, is this at all about Eve's situation? What the fuck is this? You know,

but the only line I really remember in showgirls, people always come up and say things and I'm like,

I'm like, why are they saying these were these to me? But of course, I'm going to totally paraphrase it, but it's, and I'm sure Joester House got it from someone else that I should probably figure out who that was. But it's like there's always someone younger and hungrier walking down the stairs after you. Yeah, that's good. Right? And of course, she ends up pushing it down the stairs. There's always someone trying to take your place in this, you know, but really look watching showgirls now.

I didn't see it then because I was too traumatized by the whole thing. You know, it's really a story about, you know, as Paul is very sneaky with his other movies about ugly America, about fascism,

“about capitalism, about power dynamics, because at the time I'm like, why is this rapeseen in here?”

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I feel like that's such an interesting thing because you never know when you get a role.

and things where I laugh about it now, like when I went out to be one of the hosts of American Idol and they described the show to me and I did audition for it, but I remember thinking

"This thing's never going to make it." There's been a couple moments where I've read a script

for like a pilot and nothing like this is the dumbest thing. This doesn't even make sense and I never got it anyway, it wouldn't matter, but I'm clearly my picker was off. So I always think, when you're reading a script or you're seeing, you don't really know what it's going to, what the final part is going to be or what the feet or maybe even times where you thought something

“wasn't going to be ahead has to come ahead. I think for me, my, you know, I'm sure other people”

do this as well. A lot of people, like, maybe it's the director person in me. Like when I read the script, I first of all, I see what I, in my mind, I think, oh my god, this is going to be so incredible. And I also thinking about Paul Verhoven. So I know his films and I'm like, whoa, this is going to be so dark. This is going to be so cool. I fell in love with the part. I'm like, wow, I get to I'm going to have to lie about my age and pretend it was older and all that stuff, but I ended up eventually getting it.

And I prepared in my head a very particular part, very margo, very like, you know, there's the Aphrodite psyche story that I really kind of grabbed onto in the margo and eve of it all. But then I got to set and it was a totally different movie. I was like, oh, like what, you know, I think I'm doing a black and white intense film and then it's like technical or sparkles, you know, and, and so like I just even the poster is I'm sure not what you, this is one of the

posters. I was never even seen this poster. There were different posters. I just kind of thought

this one was great, just because like your names on it. And you see, yeah, but that's not me. That's Elizabeth. No, down here, your name, Gina. Oh, yeah, there's my, well, yeah, my name should be. I'm like, right, I know. I know. So what I was looking at, but the other one was one was just the leg. That that poster is constantly is more like, yeah, and I thought the poster was a big mistake.

“I came into the guys. I remember I was going to the production office and I had this inspired idea.”

I said, oh my god, I know what the poster should be. I know what we should do to advertise it, because I was driving on sunset. I said, we should have a billboard and like there would be a curtain with lights around it every day. It's like a hundred days to show girl. 99 days to show girl. And then like the curtain keeps rising, little by little, and you see the leg, the shoe, not wearing much, and at the very end, it's, you know, one of those like kind of newty girls,

like a burlesque thing, like show girl, but like fun. Because I thought, oh, this is a fun movie. Yeah. And then they said, oh, no, this is the, this is the poster we're using. And I was like, what? Wait, what? First of all, it was a known photograph. That was like ripped off from this photo. I can't, Angela, I got unspacing it on the, you know, it was a, it was a photo I had seen. I'm like, that, I've seen this. I thought, oh, yeah, we're taking this image and doing that.

I just thought it was way too serious. Yeah. But it's so serious. And I thought, oh, do these guys think this is a serious movie? And I mean, I realized at some point, I was probably, I had to change my way of thinking to make it make sense. So I did 180 degrees with my character just so I could have fun with it. Yeah. But then I thought, wow, I think they're selling this as a serious film. I don't know. I was clearly in a different movie. That is so interesting.

“Because I think that's what maybe that confusion from the audience and maybe some of the”

criticism was, is because you didn't understand like when, when Elizabeth Berkeley was like, like, you know, that and there were these lines and people were like, what the hell is this? Like, who acts like this? And it was more of those things where like, you're in the movie theater and people are laughing at things that they shouldn't be laughing at. And so that's kind of where, but then it became like this cult classic that people just love and, you know, and it's

interesting too. You've had such a, you know, a great, very career and stuff that like, probably what that must have been like, you know, where there were real reviews, like Roger and Ebert reviews, not just a million people just, you know, doing rotten tomatoes or whatever. And you kind of have to see that as, you know, as a major Hollywood star, like, like, how does that work? Like, you said, I need to get a job right away, but like, well, I wasn't, I wasn't a Hollywood star, then that was

a big break for me. I'd done little movies here and there, but I'd never had a lead in a film quite

like that. And, um, I, you know, listen, I didn't interact it. I didn't produce it. As an actress,

from a rope in, like, a little SNM outfit, watching all these naked dancers below me,

it really occurred to me like, wow, how did I get here? Like, I studied the classics. You know, I wanted to play Antigony and Medea. And I, I'm going to do a lot of check-off. Like, and it, I thought, you know what, we better be really good in this, really good else, we're not going to have a career. And so I was very, I stayed on my own track of what I wanted to do. You know, you know, there's just a few, but for most part, I, I kind of walked away unscathed.

You know, I think the red and the movie got, like, lamb acid, which by the way, is as far in a very believable character. Like, I believe this girl worked in Vegas all these years,

you know, like, you could, and she's like, you know, she's the best care. And I, you know,

I did a good, I did the best job I could. And I, but it's just, it's hard when you're the one getting good reviews and everything else is getting slammed. It doesn't make you feel great. You know, I mean, thankful that I'm not included in all that, but, you know, listen reviews. I learned a lot from that because, you know, if you read the good ones,

“if you believe the good ones, you have to believe the bad ones. And, you know, it's just an opinion,”

and some of those same journals were like, this is the worst movie, you know, for years and years and years are like, so let's talk about showgirls. I really like that. People would say, I really like that movie secretly. And you know, I'll tell you the only person, and I know he's been very controversial lately with a couple of things, but God bless Quentin Tarantino. He was the only like kind of a major player at that point. He came out with a big article saying, I love showgirls.

And these are the reasons why. And I was like, oh, God, good for you. Because everyone was just kind of going along with the title saying, oh, they, they're saying it's bad. Well, I better say it's bad, too. And people sometimes don't have their own opinion. So I really appreciated that he supported the movie. And so yeah, it was so anyway, before it came out, it was supposed to be this big bruhaha, but I secretly in my head thought, I better show that I'm actually a real actress because I don't

know what this movie is going to do. That's when I said to my agents, find me something fast. And they were like, no, we're going to put you in a big studio thing. We're going to do this and when I read bound, I'm like, I want to do that. I want to do that. And I want to do that now. And they were shooting it now. And I'm like, I couldn't find a part that was so diametrically

“opposed to everything that showgirls was. And so I thought perfect. Yeah. And what was your relationship?”

Like, you've always had, you know, you've been, you know, sexy, great body. How was it like doing

more, showing off your body more on film and acting? Like, did you, like, what was your relationship with that? Did you enjoy it? I mean, I talk a lot about that in the book. You know, that these are things I address like through a lot of different chapters. You know, I was a dancer. I was a modern dancer. Me and my girlfriends would take off our tops and we'd do our Martha Graham movies. You know, so the dancing part to me wasn't that big of a deal. Because I just, I was a dancer. Yeah.

And originally, I, I actually never was really supposed to show my body in it. It little systematically like all of a sudden you saw my chest, you know. And, you know, the one, the most naked kind of you see me and is in that in the big volcano scene. And I have a, there's a whole chapter about that specifically, um, about how it turned into a G string from that, you know. You know, listen, I, I don't have a problem with anything really as long as it's justified as long

as it makes sense for them. It makes sense for the character. Yeah. How does this move the story forward? What does this do? There's a whole chapter about, I, I, it's, it's one of my favorite chapters. You know, um, I called out crazy. The crazy. I believe that it is when all of a sudden, you know, it came to my attention. Like, oh, we need to be totally naked on this scene. I'm like, what? Like, you know, and I talk a lot about that. How I kind of wiggle down to that one. Although,

you know, listen, anyone who is going to be, especially now, I mean, forget intimacy coordinators.

“We didn't have that then, but this is why you have it. That's what I was going to ask you. Like,”

when is that start happening to have intimacy coordinators? Not until, I don't know, last 10, I don't even know. Yeah, it's like the last 10 years. It's not really my, I, I'm not so used to,

you, it's not very sexy, but you go very systematically through. Oh, you know, you'll see 5% of my hand. Okay, on a screen of this. And you go through every sex scene every new to the scene. So you, you are protected. You know, in case all of a sudden, your director turns out to be a psycho saying, we're going to do it like this. And it's like, well, no, actually, I don't have to, because we discussed this ahead. Unless you're a smaller player or a stunt woman or something,

sometimes you, maybe you don't have to say, because it's like, do switch it up, you know?

“I think it's really important whether you're a lawyer or not, then you have those conversations”

ahead of time. And I could certainly sympathize and obviously it's happened a lot as we've seen in the last few years. And that's one of the reasons I wrote this book as well when I talked to some actresses and they're like, oh my god, this is what is happening on the set. And I'm listening, like, dude, you can't, like, A, you have to look the person in the eye and say, hey, you know, I'm not really comfortable doing that. Tell me exactly what? And they're so intimidated or stressed out,

which I can appreciate. And there was like, well, you're so tough, you know, you know how to do that.

But like, I wasn't always stuff. That's all those, I set up the valley for a very specific reason

to show how I had to learn how to have an antenna and this and that. But, you know, at the very least, I just am a big believer in, don't do anything you don't want to do. You know, that doesn't

“feel right to you, right? And I'm sorry, like, a, you know, I feel really horrible and bad for,”

you know, a lot of these people are victims. And because they have no say, but about the person that's going to be deported somewhere unless they do something horrible with their boss. Like, these are the people we have to be protecting, right? Right. And unfortunately, and hopefully, fortunately in the future, I don't know why we don't have this now. There's a thing called accountability and consequences. And maybe that will prove to be a deterrent for the future, because the people who really don't

know how to defend themselves and really kind of get in a situation, you know, we definitely need to help protect. And I definitely think in Hollywood, especially, but in a lot of industries, if you do stick up for yourself or demand or whatever, then you know what, they don't ever have to hire you again. And they could also tell their friends, don't you hire them either, because now they have a bad story about me. And I don't want them telling that story in the room. Yeah. And it's happened.

“That is the blackballing thing that happens. And I think that's why people do stay quiet. It's why”

we have a union, but even if you go through the right channels, it's still, it's a subjective thing.

It's just weren't right for the part. And you never got another part. And you're like,

I'm sure I've lost at least 35% of rules, because I didn't play a longer. You didn't come up. There's, you know, the head of the agency is like, oh, let's go out and then like, oh, for lunch, good business. And then you realize, oh, no, this is a, oh, this is a date date. I'm like, oh, no, no, I have a boyfriend. Like I was just said, I had a boyfriend. But then you, you know, but these are choices. And you know it. If all of a sudden, if I was like, oh, my God,

I want to be famous. I want to make money. I want to do this and that. And if that was a way to get what I wanted, you know what, that's between me and me. And I just have to own up to it, right? I don't judge anyone for their choices. But be clear with what your choices are. And if you don't want to do that, and you're not comfortable either, you know, a lot, some of these stories, a lot of these stories is how I kind of manipulated my way out without completely confronting these little

egos, so they could completely blackball you. But like, you know, as women, there's so many ways you're like, oh, like what? And then you get out of it. And you know, listen, I get along with, I haven't met a wild animal. I haven't been killed by, you know, whether it's dangerous, you know, swimming with alligators or snakes, you know, or wolves or, you know, I'm very good with animals. And yet, I wouldn't walk through a jungle after dark by myself, right, because animals are animals.

Don't put yourself in a situation that is, you know, could potentially be very dangerous.

Yeah, I mean, I, I, I, I have, I've always said because I've been doing the show since the

beginning of the Me 2 and I covered it all in the Harvey Weinstein's and stuff. And in hearing all these stories and, you know, with actors and things, I'm like, I'm still waiting for the one actress who doesn't give a fuck anymore is a woman of a certain age who will tell the true

and showed the world what a great actress I was, I never had to do it again, but I felt that was my

only choice because I was at this level or because I didn't have a good the age in her because I wanted to snap a baby. You know, there are so many people and I just want one person just to like tell their juicy story. You know what I mean? Thank you'll be providing a long time to hear that story. I probably will. And but it must exist, right? I'm sure it does. I mean, we all have our things of like, yeah, listen, I tell another story in there. And it's the one, I don't really

name the actor because my, my job is to throw anyone under the bus. Yeah, but it was very clearly, it was a closest thing like a casting catch. Because I kept saying, one of my chopliver, how come I never, others are so funny. I kept, I said that in the book like no one ever really did that to me in this woman who read the whole book. So, like, I get hit on you for whatever. No, she was just like, she goes, you say you don't have that, she goes, but you literally have story after story,

where you were navigating, I said, you know what? I, I realized that now, I realized it then, just because I'm like, you're just like dodging bullets. Well, we're so used to that. Yeah, so used to that and the valley dealing with that. But there was one story where the guy at the casting thing is like, oh, you're so cute. Why don't you stand up and walk around? And I remember like, like, this is gross. Like, you know, good luck. If you're going to get gross,

“I actually am going to leave. You said, no, no, no. I think you should be my wife and I'm like,”

thinking, ooh, you gotta kiss this guy if you do that. I'm like, no, good. I'm good with it.

Just two days of work. Anyway, I thought for sure I would never get the job. I mean, he was like,

I want you to play my wife. Yeah. Oh, okay. Play my wife. A bigger part, bigger part. I thought, who I have to kiss him? No, I don't want to do that. I said, no, I'm good with it. There's the two days. Anyway, I thought there's no way I got that because I was like, listen, you're getting weird. Like, I'm out. Good luck with your movie. You know, because I thought this isn't worth it. And I still got cast. And then I was on the set and he said something weird. And I'm like, you know what?

I mean, who was I? I was doing theater then. I was just like, really young. Yeah. I was like, we could get along just great if you just don't talk to me anymore. And I thought, I'm going to get fired and guess what? I didn't get fired. But it's like, I didn't want someone talk. I didn't want him talking to me like that. So you have to either, I think that's so interesting and it is so hard to do. But it is kind of like, you know, when they say, especially if you're like walking

on the street and you feel like somebody is walking behind you, like the thing that you're supposed to do is like turn around looking down and be like, get the fuck away from me. And then you're like, act crazy, get crazy back. Be direct and crazy. The crazy. Yeah, that's all we have. Yeah, being also just, you know, just calling them on like, was that supposed to be funny? Are you trying to be funny with like, you know, the women that can do that, which is not me. I was the person that laughed

at the gross joke because I was like uncomfortable and wanted this old man to feel comfortable. And I was like, I love it when a woman calls it out and is like really firm. And if you do it,

“the way you did it. So I want everyone to read this book. Oh, that's how you do it. It's like,”

it's a strong way. It's in the moment. But it's also not making them feel that they do have to fire you because they're so insecure and out like you did it just the right way. It sounds like it's, yep. You, I learned how to do it. Yeah. I mean, there's a story in there about

when I went to the Playboy Mansion when I was 15. You know, never been to a mansion. I didn't even know

what I had. How did you get invited to that? Oh, my God. You got to read the book. I mean, there's all these books. You're going to like this book because there's so many of these stories that you're, but they're just so long. I don't know how to look at the time. Well, yeah, we want people to buy the book. Okay, so there's all these books. Nope, read all these juicy. And I love it. There are little stories because I think, yeah, you can just make it jump around because people,

you know, their intention, there are, there'll people are reading a lot more books that's coming back in, but I love essay funny books that tie together, but also that you can jump around. I mean, too. But you know, I remember when I was at the, I went to, and there's a whole long story to get into it. But at the end, at one point, you know, I'm 15. And I'm at the Playboy

“Mansion for the first time. And there's some guy saying, do you want me to show you around?”

I'm like, yeah, I've never been to a mansion. I'm like, this is rad, like, free pinball, free food. This is cool. You know, I was so naive, right? And then he shows, and my mom's an interior decorator, I'm like, well, I can't wait to tell my mom about the molding on this. I'm looking at the molding. That's beautiful. So he shows me the red room that this room does. And then he's like, you want to see the grotto. And I'm like, thinking, what the fuck is the grotto? I'm like, yeah,

sure. I want to see a grotto. I thought it was like an animal. I had no idea. And then, of course, it's the inside of the pool. There's a couple of people swimming naked around it. And then, and I was like, whoa, this is interesting structure. I mean, I'm, you know, and he's like, so should we take a swim? And only then, I realized, oh, my God, it's a totally hidden alley. And now it was the guy,

the innocence is too. Because when girls are in that position, even if it's someone who's, you know,

they're contemporary. And they think like, you're just some guy, but you just think they really want to be your friend. Or they are so older and unattractive. You're like, how would you think I'd ever like? I wasn't even thinking about it. Like, how is like, oh, this is neat. Oh, look at rocks in the

“water. That's so cool. 15. That's why. But when he, and then when he said that, when I realized he was”

hitting on me, I just looked at him. And I was so neat. I said, dude, you know, I'm only 15. You could get in so much trouble. And he laughed. He goes, oh, what do you 23, 24? I'm like, dude, I'm only 15. I'm seriously, if you could get in a lot of trouble. And I was just laughing my head off, back I ran. He didn't even back away like the other people. He was like, ran. And I was like, oh, like, but it was coming from a very innocent place. And I think later on with the whole alpha pussy,

when that started thinking shit, I got to alpha pussy the situation, it was definitely, you know, sometimes you don't want to lose a job. Sometimes you don't. So you have to figure out a way, just sometimes, you know, caress in a way not to like totally destroy their ego. But I find sometimes just looking at them in the eye to say, oh, I see. I was like, oh, my god, that's that. Yeah, that's making me so uncomfortable. Like, oh, yeah, I'm doing this. I'm doing that.

And owning up to it and then they get uncomfortable when they walk away. It's the up to Vanessa, you know, and it's, it's, it's just about, uh, and anyone could do this, not just a female thing. It's any, there's other bully stories where people were pushing, and I had to figure out, how do I get out of this? And believe me, sometimes I was not very elegant about it. I just like, you know, jumped on them and then it was breaking my nose or, you know, I had a lot of rage in me as well.

I don't know. I just think obviously toxic people and bullies and people trying to push you around and telling what to do. They're not going away. So to me, it's important to have agency, know yourself, understand what it is that you want. And, you know, just do what feel and listen to your instincts. And if you don't care how you get a job or if you're going to be pushed around, because you want to get, then anything is fine. This is not a how to book. This is not a like, you know,

guide to whatever. This is just how I navigated my own personal journey. And if people love the stories, because they're kind of funny. And if they get something from it, like, oh, that was a

concept. That's a good idea. And that works amazing. I love that. I mean, you've worked in this

business for, you know, a long time many decades of just the 90s and I'm on and you continue to work. Like, the industry, you know, we hear all the time. It's changed so much. And, you know, there's not enough production here in LA and people are going to movies or whatever. Like, what do you want for your future? What do you see happening in this business for you going on, continuing to act

“and direct and doing all the things you do? I think the next, you know, I think I think,”

I've kind of gotten to the writing bug all of a sudden. But I have what I like to do. I've written one script, but kind of set aside, but I want to, you know, address that. And I'm in the middle of finishing another script that I'm absolutely obsessed with. And these are parts that I would play. So to me, if I could write scripts, I think it really cool and get cool people involved. And I get to do it. That's exciting. That's really exciting to me. And it's the only, I mean, is listen,

if someone just offers me a part that I think is cool. Like, that's the easiest gig. To me, that's like, oh, my God, I love this. This makes, like, you do the whole thing. Yeah. But until I find that, I'm still interested in exploring characters that I want to explore. And I like stories. So if it's a, I'm really into original stories, you know, I'm just like a scene the same story again and again, I like supporting first time directors. I like supporting just fresh, you know,

stories and projects just because they're harder and harder to come by. And, you know, I like a good story. I'm a storyteller. And if I get to act in it, something that's a fun part,

different for me to play. Amazing. Or if I just write it, or, I don't know, then I might just turn around

“and start painting for a while. And what do you paint? I started to during COVID. And I think I'm”

really into it. But you know, it's so cool. I don't know if it's an age thing or a COVID thing, but I used to be able to multitask. And I can't. Like once I go into one thing, I, it's all I'm doing. You know, once I go into this, that's all I'm doing. So like it took me a while to write this, because of course, my day job, which is acting. Also, I'd get a gig. I put everything aside, but you could write it night and do you're acting a day? I'm like, I, I don't know how to do that.

I can't. I just get absorbed in what I'm doing. Yeah. Well, I'm, this was a real thrill for me

that everyone needs to buy it. And where can they follow you on Instagram and make sure that they just,

“I'm only on Instagram. I'm not on any of the other social medias. And my name is, what's my name on Instagram?”

It's just a huge chance. It's huge. It's huge. It's huge. It's huge. It's huge. It's huge on. And of course, you can get the book.

But there's other genegers sounds like this. We have to look for the little blue dog. Did you do an

audio version, too? I did an audio version. I believe it's out now. Yeah, everyone loves an audio version.

Yeah. I love your story and your voice and like, I think that's super valuable. So get the book,

“if you want to read it. Otherwise, get the audio version. Thank you so much, Gina. This is really fun.”

So great to get to know you. So fun. Thank you. Thank you.